Why did this game die faster than FF16? I haven't seen anyone talk about this game in weeks

Why did this game die faster than FF16? I haven't seen anyone talk about this game in weeks

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what are you talking about man? the game ended. there's literally nothing else to talk about now. it was one of the longest mainline ff games and i enjoyed every minute of it. but i beat it and already talked bout it for weeks. that's it. it's over until the next one starts getting teased.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so it came and went like a wet fart? grim

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s not a live service game that keeps getting content. Stop living online.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not much to talk about if you've already played the original

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's pretty much where I am at. I can't even tell you what's the story is about beyond being a padded version of the original. What is there to talk about?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's pretty much where I am at. I can't even tell you what's the story is about beyond being a padded version of the original. What is there to talk about?

      you didn't play remake or rebirth and it shows

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There were threads yesterday.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shit square enix games.
    The Final Fantasy brand is dead since FF9

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Final Fantasy brand is dead since FF9
      Yea, and FF9 killed it by being an uninspired rehash.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mmo junkie is surprised when a single player game has an end
    in other news water is wet more news at 11

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    really? I see threads about it every day

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    16 died much faster
    I barely ever saw a thread really
    Not that it matters since both are terrible games nobody should play

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >weeks
    were you on vacation and not on Ganker?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Calling it goty or best game ever or whatever without actually talking about the game tires normal people out.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FF is a dying franchise that doesn't appeal to new audiences.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      while also doing a terrible job of maintaining old audiences.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most games can't maintain an audience for 20+ years it's not uncommon at all.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well it would probably be easier if they didn't constantly piss in veteran players' mouths and try to tell them it was champagne.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not really. They can make the best game of the year but if the brand has been literally who since the mid 2000's and it's only on a system nobody owns it won't get tons of sales. Square already admitted that they got everything they could out of the PS5 market and they should have made it multiplat.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes really. For almost 2 decades Final Fantasy was considered THE leading name in JRPGs outside of Japan (and even then its presence in Japan wasn't exactly lacking either). Why? Because they didn't majorly shift genre or core playstyle up till that point. From 1987-2001, if you got a mainline FF game, you generally had a strong idea of what you were getting into.

              But then SE decided that consistency was for losers, and abruptly kept trying to throw shit at the wall to see what would work to replace a formula that wasn't broken. FF was an absolute foremost killer app to justify a Playstation during the PS1 and PS2 eras, but now it's trundled out as a boomer franchise to fill out a Playstation's release schedule, only given the respect it still gets now out of merely polite industry obligation. "Please clap."

              FF7R should've been SE's opportunity to show everyone what made so many people fall in love with the series with 7 to begin with, and be a re-starting point to establish FF as a killer app franchise again. Instead, they squandered that opportunity to pump out a manipulative and exploitative cynical cash-in on its legacy, which did well enough for FF7R1, but is clearly not holding true going forward since everyone's now wise to FF7R's tricks. They clearly can't resist the urge to tell everyone to go frick themselves with this series.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I just gave you examples of why it doesn't work most of the time. You can't undo that by giving me a history lesson on an ip that hasn't been relevant for nearly 2 decades.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >For almost 2 decades Final Fantasy was considered THE leading name in JRPGs outside of Japan
                That is true
                But the 2 decades you are referring to are 1986 to 2007, from the the release of the first title and its success, to FFXII's release in 2007
                Up until that point, a FF release in nearly every single year from 86 until 2002, missing only 89, 93,95. 96 and 98. Although there was a 4 year gap between XI and XII, XII was received really really well, so it was just seen as a sign of the times with longer dev cycles and gen shifts.
                But still, 12 titles in 21 years, with spinoffs releasing too in that time, that is a dominant successful series.

                So what changed? FF XIII. It was incredibly disappointing, mired with issues, and did irreparable damage to the brand. Meanwhile Versus XIII went through dev hell and got delayed all the way to 2016 on the succeeding generation of consoles until it became XV, MEANWHILE XIV was an MMO with a disastrous launch in 2010 that had to be rebooted from scratch.

                3 Massive issues with development that sank 3 games, permanently with 13 and temporarily with 14 and 15.
                That is enough to destroy any brand's credibility. That paired with VII-remake being teased for 25 years and then being a literal remake rather than a HD remaster, of course the franchise is gonna lose its credibility.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That paired with VII-remake being teased for 25 years and then being a literal remake rather than a HD remaster, of course the franchise is gonna lose its credibility.
                I don't get how anyone is stupid enough to hear square say they want to remake ff7 for a new generation and they think that means a dinky HD remaster of a ps1 game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >remaster
                The problem is that the remake trilogy is a reboot of VII as a subfranchise, not a genuine remake of the game made in 1997, which should have been painfully obvious when they said they needed to make it more than one game when the average modern popular JRPG is well over 80 hours long

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                XII wasn't received well and neither was X-2. People were pretty disappointed by either. XIII really marked the downfall of the franchises quality because it had absolute hype behind it for a new generation of consoles and players both and then turned out to be garbage.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What "veterans"? FF is literally among the most schizo franchise there are. It's cultivated a fanbase full of people who are always fighting because none can decide on what a proper FF should actually be.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          GTA did by staying basically the same

          you play a gta game you know what you're gonna get

          you play a FF game you dont know what the frick you're gonna get

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You must think you're smart but you can't even read properly.
            >most games
            For every gta there's several other saints rows and just causes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              not him but I think you've got the problem reading, he just said what he said not trying to dunk on you and you got all butthurt.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Most games can't maintain an audience for 20+ years it's not uncommon at all.
          basically every single major nintendo franchise has kept their audience. zelda, pokemon, mario, donkey kong. simply make a good game.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not really. Mario has been sporadic. Zelda had a resurgence after week generations on gamecub and wii. Donkey Kong doesn't get games and pokemon is pokemonso I've already addressed that with gta.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    final fantasy was never good

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >constant threads for a single player game that came out 4 months ago
    >dead

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when you realize these threads are made to bait ff cultists into staying in them and not infecting other threads, you will find peace

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is this magical feature on browsers called tabs

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing to talk about.
    It's padded to shit and back with tedious filler and busywork masquerading as "content."
    The good parts of the story have been discussed to death since 1997. The bad parts of the story are tacked-on Compilation drivel everyone got sick of back in the mid-2000s.
    No one's going to pay $70 for part 2 of a botched revision of a game they got for $50 all the way back in the 90s. That doesn't even include the mountain of spin-off gacha homosexualry you have to sit through in order for the new shit in Rebirth to even make sense.

    No amount of shilling could save this garbage. It's just another abject failure from a studio that used to define the genre and now can't even find its own fricking identity.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Another thing I noticed is that nobody is talking about GTAV here, that game is dead as frick

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As someone who ERPs in GTA RP servers, I wish GTAV was dead.
      Worse thing that ever fricking happened to me.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is that like where like normie losers go to hang out? GTA RP server? I honestly can't think of anything more pathetic

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Best combat system in the series.
    FF16 was good, but the pure action system doesn't fit FF like the Remake/Rebirth Hybrid system does.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are an insane person

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rebirth has the best action combat in any jrpg and it's not even close.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sorry but it isn't an argument. This shits about to win goty and the combat is half the game.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              delusionally moronic even

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I repeat my early statement.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Remake is clunky dogshit. The game is not equipped to deal with enemy attacks, none of your defensive options are adequate and your movement and actions are too sluggish and unresponsive.
      Many enemies have high-damage attacks that will damage you 100% no matter what and can easily kill you on hard.
      So the only way to deal with enemies is to overwhelm, stunlock and melt them with an aggressive build before they even have the chance to attack.
      You either completely obliterate them without ever having to deal with any of their attacks or they frick you up because you have no defensive counterplay.

      The design is shockingly bad that's why they had to change so much in rebirth.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's an Aerith thread almost every day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aerith alive

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did this game die?
    >single player game

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ack on the cover
    never not be funny

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why the frick is Zack even in the game? Why bait us with an opening with him and then 5mns of Zack every 30 hours? This game is so moronic, perfect for its fanbase tbh

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        to bait CC gays

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they also baited the people expecting the game to have an actual story too

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What do you mean? There is a story, similar to ff7 for 90% of the game. Deviation caused by defeating destiny makes it a bit more interesting

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Rebirth discards the entire breaking fate part of Remake's ending to make us go through a guided tour of the original's story beat while having small crumbs of deviation every 20 hours.
              Literally the only good part of Rebirth story-wise is the Gongaga chapter. Imagine waiting until 65% of the game for the story to actually start.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How is gongaga good story wise? Tifa getting lifestream sequence early on seems completely pointless. Sephiroth looks like a jobber again -failed to kill her, failed to separate cloud and tifa, since mr. whale and whispers saved tifa from dying from cloud. It was such a pointless chapter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s where the story really started to diverge. The OG story sucked so I’m glad they are making it interesting now

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How is gongaga good story wise?
                because something happened in the story? there's actual drama and plot development. It's not about the story here being good, it's about something actually fricking happening.
                I don't like Remake's ending but I didn't want Rebirth to just be a nostalgia-wank while pretending Remake never fricking happened.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Gongaga was a set up chapter for later events. Like Cait Sith being a spy

                >Barret
                >I don't like it. How'd they find out where we were?

                >Cloud
                >They followed us...... But there weren't any signs of it. Then, that means......

                >Barret
                >A spy, maybe? No, no way.

                >Cloud
                >I don't even want to think that there's a spy...
                >I trust everyone.

                Or Zack's identity

                >Tifa
                >Zack......

                >Cloud
                >Do you know him?

                >Tifa
                >N, no, I don't know him!

                >Cloud
                >Your face tells me differently.

                >Tifa
                >I told you, I don't!

                >Cloud
                >A, all right.

                Or that Shinra was already planning on using Large Materia

                >Scarlet
                >......Hmph! This isn't any good either.
                >You only get junky materia from junky reactors.
                >This reactor's a failure.
                >What I'm looking for is big, large, huge materia. You seen any?

                >Tseng
                >...No I haven't seen it. I'll get on it right away.

                >Scarlet
                >Please. We could make the ultimate weapon if we only had some.

                The problem with Remake is that because they gutted it into 3 parts, the set up chapter for later events wouldn't bear fruit until the next fricking game 5 years from now. This is a problem Remake INVENTED

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That entire sequence gives context to the planet, the lifestream, weapons and the nature of materia. It gives them extra info to take to cosmo canyon observatory where they learn about the black materia that the game becomes about getting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Destiny is constantly brought up in Rebirth. There has to be a big payout in part3, otherwise all this buildup was for nothing

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The destiny thing is just a way of saying that theres no other way to remake FFVII without killing zack or aerith. The entire thing is a metaphor of everyone having their own headcanon about what a remake FFVII could be (what if aerith survives, what if zack survives and meets with biggs, what if...), and all of these realities (hopes and dreams) are given life with the lifestream. And the game says screw it, theres only one way to remake FFVII, so aerith and zack has to die.

                It's a good game but a dreadful FF, same thing as X-2 and XIII-2 again

                I dont know how can be a thing. It has the RPG, it has the world map, it has the characters.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The destiny thing is just a way of saying that theres no other way to remake FFVII without killing zack or aerith
                Lol, part 3 gonna be rough for you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Aw man, do you actually think aerith survived? damn

                No, it's not. Saying lolz destiny can't be changed (despite literally defeating it) is the most moronic writing I have ever seen.

                You dont defeat """"destiny"""", what kind of brainlet shit is this? The harbinger is part of the planet, same as the whispers. Once the harbinger died, sephiroth takes control and the planet no longer has agency, its at its mercy to either aerith or sephiroth plays.
                No wonder people are so pissed off at the whispers and the harbinger, they think they are like an outside force from the world of FFVII, it seems.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that there's even a conversation about aerith living shows the altering destiny storyline has weight and is not something that doesn't matter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact that there's even a conversation about aerith living shows the altering destiny storyline has weight and is not something that doesn't matter.
                it's there so you end up posting about it for 4 years while square prays that everyone hasn't moved on when they release part 3

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The games sell well into the future so I wouldn't be worried about that. When rebirth came out 7R was already a top 5 best selling FF of all time.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the fact that theres a conversation about means the story is being retold effectively as if the original never existed. You are enjoying FFVII as it comes out, nothing more, nothing less.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nope..people are coping over aerith because her status at the end of rebirth is different than where she was at that time in the og. Aeirth cloud sephrioth and Zach are all in a different state then their og counterparts at that point in the story.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Eh, cloud being in a weird state and being in denial of aerith death might as well be in the original, so its not about being in a different state, but something that should have been in the og to begin with.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but something that should have been in the og to begin with.
                yeah unfortunately cloud in the OG FF7 just breaks down over her death and tells sephiroth of the entire breadth of the pain he's experiencing from her death. OG really missed the mark there

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nomura already said that the original was about the sudden loss one can experience, but rebirth wanted to go deeper on it by adding denial over it, using cloud broken psyche with it. Both work in their own way.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Genuine question, do you believe Rebirth's ending is better, more emotionally and narratively impactful as the OG FF7 End of disc 1?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hard to tell, how do i even measure that? plain feelings? i would say rebirth wins in that regard, it does more with it and opens up the narrative better than the original, not that the original does it badly either. Cloud being in denial of aerith death while the rest is coping is great, the whole fight with jenova lifeclinger was also great, and while the zack fighting with cloud was fan service-ish, the whole narrative of beating bizarro sephiroth across multiple dimensions was also great.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Aw man, do you actually think aerith survived? damn
                I'd prefer if she didn't, but I'm not turning a blind eye to painfully obvious story setups. As well as taking into account how Nomura and Nojima treat their followup games whenever something tragic happened to their characters.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You dont defeat """"destiny"""", what kind of brainlet shit is this? The harbinger is part of the planet, same as the whispers. Once the harbinger died, sephiroth takes control and the planet no longer has agency, its at its mercy to either aerith or sephiroth plays.

                And what did the planet want? And what does Sephiroth want? What do you think was the point of the ending of remake?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And what did the planet want? And what does Sephiroth want?
                Well it's simple. Planet wanted Remake and Rebirth to follow the original, since that way planet survival is guaranteed. Meanwhile Sephiroth wants the opposite. He wants to defy the planets will. He is the one who opens the portal to Aerith for Cloud. Cloud seems determined when he mutters Aerith's name to open the portal, like he is making his decision.
                I am 100% that the "push" Sephiroth gave Cloud in the mindfrick dimension was showing him what will happen to aerith if he doesn't help him "defy destiny". That's why he laughs and cloud angerly charges him

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why is the planet an omniscient existence that can see into the future
                How does time travel in general work

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                For the same reason it made the WEAPON's. It literally can't directly intervene.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's fricking stupid. If the Planet can send spooky ghosts to inflict it's will onto time itself then why did the Crisis from the Sky happen? Why did Shinra happen? Why does anything the Planet doesn't like happen? It can drag away people from spoilers and save people from death and ensure thousands of people die from wacky doodle Shinra? There are so many fricking whispers at the end of Remake that they blot out the sky. But the planet couldn't drag the Cetra away from the Northern Continent after Jenova landed?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it can't directly intervene
                Except when it's sending time ghosts to throw Biggs out of a window.
                Why do we even have any problems? Why didn't time ghosts break into the Nibelheim mansion and cave in Sephiroth's skull when he was an infant? Or even better, do the same to Hojo wherever he was born?

                This is what time travel does to established stories. It is literally never a positive addition.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Manipulates Cloud and Aerith into changing fate
                >Still results in Aerith dying but this time the Holy Materia probably didn't get juiced
                He played them like a fiddle and it's right on character.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                almost. Sephy jobs in the end. He planned to merge the world cloud created but was stopped. He wasn't the clear smug winner, like he was in Remakes ending.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ultimania interview or no, we never actually see Sephiroth merging worlds or fail in merging worlds. There was zero spectacle in this and there was no reason for it either since he doesn't have the fricking black materia and his body is at the northern crater so he still can't do shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bullshit cloud sees the sky is torn at the end of the game while others cant. Something happened.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That was there in all the Zack worlds, and everyone in those worlds can see it. Like I said, you don't see Sephiroth actually casting a spell or anything. No hand gesture like he summons the meteor, no visual effects, nothing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                don't worry, square is reading this board right now and making it canon just like they invalidated remake's ending

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sephiroth took control of the whispers so remake ending wasnt invalidated at all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was not there in clouds world until he saw it at the end. Something changed after the final fight.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And Cloud is a schizo who sees dead people. In the Zack worlds everyone can see the tear and accept that the world is ending.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's a different world. Sephiroth spells that out for you. A world that has accepted its fate. The main world is fine until after the final battle which involves killing a jenova monster as it tries to rip dimensions apart. The aftermath is clearly in the sky for one of the participants of that battle to see. The others couldn't see it because they aren't connected to it like cloud is. Cloud knows something changes and tells the party not to worry about the thing they cant see.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So the world is not dying since its inhabitants can't see the tear unlike the Zack worlds

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The tear is an indicator of of the world's fate being tampered with.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why has the world "accepted its fate" if it can just manifest time ghosts to fix anything that's wrong

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it's not the same world.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those worlds only exist as a consequence of breaking the planet’s will. Did you even play remake?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you trying to be obtuse on purpose? If the Planet can enforce its will outside of using Holy to cast judgement on all life then how does anything bad happen to it at all? The whispers can raise the dead, they can send others to their deaths, they can delete memories, how the frick did Shinra even get off the ground when the planet can dictate its own history? And where were the Whispers in FF7?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And where were the Whispers in FF7?
                Nowhere. It’s a reimagining of FF7, not a continuation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rainbows are clearly shown when Cloud walks in the portal alone. So either Cloud is making a new world here or he is dimension hopping. I think this is the ‘blessing’ Sephiroth mentions, which leads to the sword parry

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok what fate did they defy?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's not. Saying lolz destiny can't be changed (despite literally defeating it) is the most moronic writing I have ever seen.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                X-2 is a fundamentally better game than X in every way and uses its once linear map to a far greater creative degree, adds metric frickloads of optional content and missables.
                It brings ATB and the job system back and is arguably one of the best iterations of either in the entire franchise

                However, it completely fails to deliver anything with the same tone or gravity as the game it serves as a sequel to, and has no genuine reason to exist in any capacity beyond lessening the impact of X.

                Remake and Rebirth are the exact same shit to me, there's literally zero reason to retread VII's story the way they've been doing and the handful of decent character interactions don't outweigh the moronation of seeing the characters recreated as anime trope dolls going through arbitrary motions and doing choreographed Black person dances. The games don't serve a genuine purpose beyond making money, just like everything else in the VII compilation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im sorry you feel that way, it seems FF will never win again with "fans" like you that think a remake shouldnt retread VII story.
                >The games don't serve a genuine purpose beyond making money, just like everything else in the VII compilation.
                But thats just wrong. If it was to make money, then they would have done a 1:1 remake and get money from dumbasses like you that buy paper mario "remake" and super mario RPG "remake".
                Its all about vision and desire to expand the world. Simple as. Whether you like it or not, that doesnt change it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If it was about vision and not money they would have been honest about it not being a 1:1 remake from the start
                The only reason it's even multiple games is because the devs are washed up hacks who haven't designed an interesting world in years and want to collect checks writing 80 hours of ship bait and coding linear hallways. The commentary implicit from the developers within the game is just masturbatory nonsense.

                >part 1 to 2 of a 3 part story is the same as a sequel that had no reason to exist

                Yes, because the remake trilogy itself doesn't need to exist. It does not do anything interesting or insightful with FFVII and is barely succeeding at riding the coattails of Rebuild of Evangelion

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they would have been honest about it not being a 1:1 remake from the start
                Never been a secret.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The essence of the universe

                Explain to me where fate fits into FF7

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fate translates to nothing more than the planet's will. They are expanding that the planet is its own being with its own agency. Which was only explored in the original lightly.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Being intentionally vague is the antithesis of honesty

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Its all about vision and desire to expand the world.
                This destiny shit isn't expansion. Okay let me illustrate this point with details because for some reason you people seem to think that 1:1 means following FF7 letter by mistranslated letter.

                After the plate dropped there's a scene where Tifa finally breaks down. She collapses into tears in Cloud's arms, not only because Sector 7 fell, but because this is the second time in her life that she's lost everything and Shinra was the cause twice. This did not happen in the original game. In the original game she says she's conflicted about Avalanche and leaves it at that. But in Remake she's broken at this horrific trauma that reopened old wounds.

                Here's another: in Remake Jessie has a mini plot line about how she feels about the Reactor explosion. It loses points because of Shinra going full moron but Jessie goes through a mini arc of coping with her participation in terrorism. She didn't mind killing Shinra troops, they signed on for this. But she has the blood of innocents on her hands because of bombs and made. And no amount of speeches from Barret will fix that. To the point where during her death she's not even upset because, in her mind, this is no less than what she deserves. The tragedy being doubled because she herself died for something she didn't sign on for. Barrett isn't doing this to save the planet, he's doing this for revenge against a wrong that was done to him years ago. She signed on to a terrorist organization under false pretenses. This was sort of in the original game but only for a few lines and it got no focus. In Remake we can see her struggle with it and we even got to see the upper plate for a while.

                No one b***hes about this. Because even though they were not in the OG, they are expansions for things the OG either overlooked or didn't have time for. It's FF7 with more detail in it. What you're talking about is injecting an entirely different game in for no reason

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This destiny shit isn't expansion.
                lifestream and memories being used as themes is certainly an expansion.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They were used as themes in the original game. Hell they were used BETTER in the original game

                >Sephiroth
                >Do not worry. Soon the girl will become part of the Planet's energy.
                >All that is left is to go North. The 'Promised Land' waits for me over the snowy fields.
                >There, I will become a new being by uniting with the planet. As will this girl......

                >Cloud
                >...Shut up.
                >The cycle of nature and your stupid plan don't mean a thing.
                >Aeris is gone.
                >Aeris will no longer talk, no longer laugh, cry...... or get angry......
                >What about us...... what are WE supposed to do?

                The Lifestream containing the memories and experiences of everyone who ever lived is seen as a good thing and protecting it is the reason the party is fighting. But at the same time none of that fricking matters in this moment. Because Aeris, this particular person Cloud cares about, just died. It doesn't matter that she will join the Lifestream anymore because she's not there in a form that Cloud can speak to or have experiences with. It's a fantastical element that can relate with anyone who has experienced the death of someone they care about. The same way Jenova's brainwashing can relate to anyone who's been gaslighted by their worst insecurities to do things they'd never do in a vacuum. You don't need a fricking spreadsheet to understand the emotions in this scene, convulsion isn't depth.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rebirth also has great moments of tension between cloud and tifa like them arguing in kalm and tifa checking cloud into making him jealous in junon. stuff like this is good, it's just so far and few in between that it makes you wonder why the frick are we just doing a 4K retread of the original instead most of the time

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's true and I want to add that throwing in SOLDIER degradation as a plausible excuse for schizo Cloud was a great addition. Because Cloud doesn't know he's deluded, he genuinely believes his account of Nibelheim. And Tifa doesn't remember seeing him there. So both have valid reasons to believe the other is lying about something but neither wants to accuse the other. If I were a new player I might be genuinely hooked to see where this was going before the game shit its pants at the ending. And if the game weren't so intent on spoiling every single critical event as fast as possible I'd say throwing in the red herring of Zack being the one lost in the river would've been fantastic misdirection. I don't know why they bothered doing it since Rebirth opens with Zack so it's clearly in SOLDIER meaning Cloud's memory is clearly nonsense. But in a vacuum, it could've been good

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Zach is not a red herring. They keep showing him because he's a real character who will play a major part in 3.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean the red herring of Zack being a random mook that fell in the river and died. If you don't count the multiverse of madness then it's a misdirection that would introduce Zack as a player in Cloud's past without spoiling who he is. But there is a multiverse now which means we know Zack was in SOLDIER meaning that scene is pointless.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Zach WAS a random Mook who died in the og. He is not that in rebrith.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Zach WAS a random Mook who died in the og. He is not that in rebrith.
                Zack was SOLDIER and we see through Aerith' memories of him and the way Cloud behaves and leads from the side of Zack's personality he absorbed that Zack was anything but a mook.
                I don't know how you can play FF7 and say he's just a mook.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In general I think chapter 9 (Gongaga) is basically the level I expected Rebirth to be. Great moments of pay-off that aren't scared to deviate from the original. Scenes that I could say "yeah that's on the level of the original if not better"
                I just didn't think it would be in chapter 9 but in like...chapter 3 or something. And then it never manages to hit it again.
                It says a lot when Rebirth is significantly better when it does brand new original stuff like ch.9 instead of doing padded retelling of the original
                Imagine how good we could be eating if they made FF17 instead of the middle part of FF7

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's also crazy you have to wait until Chapter 9 to see Sephiroth doing shit, and actually be imposing and a legitimate threat instead of telling cloud to have fun in the gold saucer or some dumb shit for 40 hours

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Everyone deserves a fun day at the Gold Saucer. Even sephiroth knows that.

                >it can't directly intervene
                Except when it's sending time ghosts to throw Biggs out of a window.
                Why do we even have any problems? Why didn't time ghosts break into the Nibelheim mansion and cave in Sephiroth's skull when he was an infant? Or even better, do the same to Hojo wherever he was born?

                This is what time travel does to established stories. It is literally never a positive addition.

                White and black time ghosts fight each other meaning they aren't all on the same team.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why weren't white time ghosts there to stop Biggs from getting killed, then
                Where were the white time ghosts to make Barret stay dead after Sephiroth killed him in Remake?

                It's almost like the entire concept is complete and utter bullshit, invented on the fly as a kneejerk response to whatever criticism Nojima needs to feel like he's above. The entire story is impossible to take seriously, this is why people wanted an actual 1:1 remake instead of more compilation homosexualry.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The white time ghost showed up with aerith to fight sephiroths black ones. Was aerith there with Biggs?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think Sephiroth was already ruined before the game started. Remember the nu Star Wars trilogy? Remember Kylo Ren? How he's so strong spooky scary WHOoOoOo! But then he gets his ass beat at the end of every movie. But the movies desperately want you to believe he's a threat? That's Sephiroth. The thing about Sephiroth in FF7 is that he showed up sparingly but every time he did the status quo changed. Shit got real whenever Sephiroth was on screen. So even if you don't fight the real one until the end of the game, he always feels bigger than you. In Remake, you've beaten him twice already. Not counting the time Cloud killed him the first time. Wait this is AC Sephiroth, which means Cloud killed him 3 times before the game even started and twice during the events of this trilogy. This Sephiroth is not a fricking threat. No matter how much TV static this game uses.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Remember the nu Star Wars trilogy
                here we go again with the autistic star wars gay bringing that fricking dead shit can of a nu-trilogy to a FF thread, holy frick

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >dead shit can of a nu-trilogy
                wow wonder what the relevance here is

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >viewing ff7 in the lense of shit wars
                Holy zoomer

                >HURR A COMPARISON TO ANOTHER POPULAR FRANCHISE THAT HAS FALLEN FROM GRACE MEANS THE ARGUMENT IS INVALID

                Fine then maybe it'll make more sense if I cited Matrix 4 and how in universe there's a character that acknowledged that there's no reason for the sequel to exist but they're making it anyway. And they reuse plot beats as a jumping off point to a new franchise that will never work.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. You see ff7 through the lens of shitty movies made 20 years after it. You are underage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or there's a trend of modern writers using legacy brands to reuse previous worlds and characters in different contexts while also repeating them that has also crossed over into gaming. Explain to me how Sephiroth is still the same big bag after losing at the end of every game in this new trilogy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >viewing ff7 in the lense of shit wars
                Holy zoomer

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Remember Kylo Ren?
                You actually opened my eyes that Sephiroth is just FF7's Kylo Ren. It's so fitting too.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >She signed on to a terrorist organization under false pretenses
                with the inclusion of the story about her dad she arguably has the same motivation as Barret

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >part 1 to 2 of a 3 part story is the same as a sequel that had no reason to exist

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay so I think that's bullshit. But even if everything you said was 100% true, what was the fricking point? Why the frick remake this game if you feel chained down by this game's legacy and feel like it's something you wish you can break away from. You're fricking Nojima, you can do whatever the frick you want. If you don't want to be stuck remaking a story you feel like you can't top, you don't have to. You can just start on FF17. Or help out the FF16 team. This whole thing has given me a begrudging respect for FF16. Because even if 16 fell on it's fricking ass, it did so on its own terms. It didn't stand on top of the 25 year old grave of a previous success. Clive had to succeed or fail all on his own.

                And in universe it makes even less sense. Cloud isn't destined to fight Sephiroth. Fricking Aerith wasn't destined to fight Sephiroth. They did the things they did because they chose to. There was no fate demanding Cloud dress like a girl or Yuffie get kidnapped by a pimp. They were all their own choices. So then to say that Fate has been dismissed just for them to make the same choices anyway is enraging because why the frick did we do any of this shit?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Deviation caused by defeating destiny makes it a bit more interesting
              no it just causes it to be worse.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >play part 2 of a 3 part series
        >WHY WHY WHY DO I NOT UNDERSTAND A CONTINOUS STORY SOMEONE IMPLANT THE ENDING IN MY BRAIN RIGHT NOW

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's actually one game split up into episodic releases, later revealed to be a trilogy after the first game had already come out, except not really because nothing carries over from game to game. get it right

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Okay smart guy then tell us zachs story in part 3.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              no, you see, Zack showing up for 20 minutes despite being in the cover is a masterclass of writing. Part 3 will prove you wrong. Just wait 4 years and 70 dollars, trust me bro

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Zach existing as a real character now completely invalidates this guys post

                Rebirth discards the entire breaking fate part of Remake's ending to make us go through a guided tour of the original's story beat while having small crumbs of deviation every 20 hours.
                Literally the only good part of Rebirth story-wise is the Gongaga chapter. Imagine waiting until 65% of the game for the story to actually start.

                his entire purpose for being a real character now is about breaking fate. His last words in rebirth are directly about that plot line.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not that anon but it’s obvious that Zack is going to survive and settle down with Cissnei

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >no, you see, part 3 will answer everything!
          didn't you delusional fricks say the same about part 2 when part 1 came out? when part 3 comes out, will it be "wait for the book!"? unbelievable amount of cope

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >dude part 2 of the trilogy is where everything will be revealed!
            Said nobody ever.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >dude part 2 of the trilogy is where everything will be revealed!
              >Said nobody ever.
              So no one expected Rebirth to answer questions from Remake, then? You played Rebirth with the full expectation Sephiroth will keep spending most of the game doing ASMR to Cloud's ear instead of actually fricking doing something?
              You expected to get another MCU ending that just goes "oops! see you in part 3!" instead of like, delivering on at least some of Remake's mysteries?
              God, FF7 fans are truly the most delusionally moronic fanbase I've seen

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You played Rebirth with the full expectation Sephiroth will keep spending most of the game doing ASMR to Cloud's ear instead of actually fricking doing something?
                Yes. Real sephiroth is not even present.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Empire Strikes Back is all about reveals and RTJ is all about payoff

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why the frick is Zack even in the game?
        Because zack worlds and his "revival" isnt really a revival but a memory kept alive by cloud schizo mind
        its just lifestream and a metaphor for us not being able to move on from our losses.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          so cloud is keeping marlene, elmyra, a unconscious aerith, unconscious himself alive via the power of his mind? sure

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so they could tease him in trailers and use it as advertising for the CC remaster that got released

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >People actually thought the plot was going to go in a wildly different direction with Zack as the main character

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Look at the catalog and see what games are "alive"
    >Fromsoft
    >30 year old Nintendo game
    >Paper Mario came out this month

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My expectation was that Remake's ending gave the team the freedom needed to go everywhere they wanted. They prepped up the way for the sequel to surprise us and diverge in a way that makes the remake trilogy more interesting than a 4K retread.
    And then Rebirth was largely a retread. What was the point? Did they course correct after Remake's ending was negatively received?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Remake puts most of its new stuff in the end to make us wait for the next part
      >"oh ok, this means the sequel will go any way they want and will surprise me"
      >Rebirth puts most of its new stuff in the end to make us wait for the next part
      How did that manage to go well over FF7 fans? I'm not even a FF7 fan and I felt ripped off for being invested on this remake story

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They wanted to play both sides.

      So FF7 is a pretty popular game. And the Compilation notoriously plays fast and loose with FF7 "canon." But Nojima is on record as saying he wants Remake to unify the events of the Compilation. But doing that creates contradictions into the FF7 story. So how do you tell a new story while telling an old story. Do both. FF7 Remake and Rebirth hits the same plot beats as FF7 but changes the details within them to be "new." This is also why The Planet went from just being a planet to being the aggregate of every reality and timeline that rests on a 9th dimensional plane. Any plot contrivance or thing that makes no sense can be blamed on Whispers and timelines. Are you a "purist" who thinks Aerith's death is irrefutable to the FF7 narrative? Or are you a new player who wants the option to save their favorite character? Which one is canon? THEY BOTH ARE! In one universe she's dead while in another she's alive and you as a player can choose the one that's canon. It's such a cowardly and convoluted method of pleasing everyone that they pleased no one.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Any plot contrivance or thing that makes no sense can be blamed on Whispers and timelines.
        What does it say about Final Fantasy's future that fans and critics clapped at this amount of nostalgia-wank and cowardly storytelling?
        It reads to me FF fans clearly don't care about having a good and coherent story anymore. I don't think they care about a story at all as long as it hits their nostalgia buttons

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well that's FF7's point. FF7 is a franchise inside another franchise. Let's not be coy, Final Fantasy TM has been getting shit on for years now due to horrific announcement to release ratios and lukewarm critical reception. And Final Fantasy 7 still is (was) universally loved. SE knows full well everyone wanted that Remake from the day that PS3 tech demo was announced. FF7 was always a "break glass in case of emergency game" because fans would buy anything with Cloud's ass on the box regardless of quality (see: Pokemon fanbase)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >FF7 was always a "break glass in case of emergency game" because fans would buy anything with Cloud's ass on the box
            Funny thing is that it didn't even succeed at doing that. They catered to an audience that have largely moved on or didn't even really exist. No one expected Rebirth would have lower sales than FF16, even in Japan no less.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What does it say about Final Fantasy's future that fans and critics clapped at this amount of nostalgia-wank and cowardly storytelling?
          Nothing, because you are the one in the wrong side of history. The game is actually good.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's a good game but a dreadful FF, same thing as X-2 and XIII-2 again

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Except these games will age like milk when part 3 drops and doesn't stick the landing. You've been able to kick the can down the road for 2 games now, and I guarantee even the most staunch story defenders will admit they should've just stuck to the script at the end of the day when part 3 flops even harder. You can literally skip Zacks segments on a new playthrough, the devs themselves even saw how redundant they were

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >will age like milk
              They already did. Every ounce of interest in FF7R died when Remake came out and people were posting clips of the time jannies and the moronic circlejerk at the end.
              Reasonable people had already soured on post-Sakaguchi FF7 with Advent Children and Crisis Core. The fact that they insist on carrying on with the Compilation is genuine lunacy, you really have to wonder just how much pull Kitase and Nomura have at Square, that they're able to get away with pissing millions of dollars down the drain on something that every human being with a functioning brain would have predicted to fail.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          These are the same people who defend FFXIV's story being wrapped up with a stable time loop that contradicts nearly every detail in the story, putting your MMO OC character at the beginning of the timeline before the time of the setting's creation myth where you inspire the creation of yourself, only to use it only in service of telling us about a second type of magic power that had never been alluded to in ten years of story, only to finish off with the confirmation that every planet in the universe is dead except ours.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They wanted to play both sides.
        And succeeded at none in the long run. Old fans overwhelmingly didn't want this, new fans are confused since its actual nature as a sequel means that they have several pieces of prior media needed for the story to make sense.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing I've seen people posting about this game is the beach scene segment. I'm under the impression that this thing is filler being sold at $70. That can't actually be true right?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The game is opposite of a cash grab, it's great game that failed to sell well.
      To be fair that's on them for failing to realize episodic story, locked behind a PS5, which wasn't even needed for part1. Part2 should have been way lower budget, but they went all out

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > I'm under the impression that this thing is filler being sold at $70. That can't actually be true right?
      Rebirth is adapting 10 hours of story from the original into 60 hours and more. Except they barely added anything new and barely expanded anything except open world checklist fodder.
      It's unironically worse than you think. They had all the cards to actually expand the story and world, and they just did essentially the same plot beats as the OG FF7, but longer.
      Costa Del Sol takes upwards of three hours and it's essentially the same plot beat as the original did in 20 minutes. Except with more minigames to unlock beachwear to progress the story.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also it's significantly dumber because Aerith explicitly tells us to not kill Hojo, then proceeds to tell us we should have maybe killed him later on. It's so bad it circles around to being hilarious you cannot help but keep going. Just don't take Rebirth seriously and you'll have a good time

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >then proceeds to tell us we should have maybe killed him later on
          when?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think he’s talking about the beach scene. Right after the big fight with Hojo Aerith tells Cloud that she has ugly thoughts about killing Hojo. But I think the writing there was peak since Cloud tells her to keep those ugly thoughts as ugly because she’s not an ugly person on the outside

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But Aerith didn't actually think killing Hojo was smart there. She was just venting to Cloud.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Man you are so full of shit. There's literally nothing that hasn't been expanded. The game is too big, too expensive, too much content everywhere. Too much of every classice scene being lovingly remade faithful or altered by fate with extreme detail. The game is too well made.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Alright man, I believe you

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't believe me. Read squares report. The game cost too much, was literally top well made and secluded on a PS5 to make the money it needed to make. Bad for your finances sure, but I'm not a company I'm a gamer. All I got out of it was a 10/10 game.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yea, I just hope part3 stays high enough budget. Combat system will probably be reused, I don't see them expanding it too much. There aren't many big locations they need to add.
              Also day1 PC and bundle it with all three parts on both PS5 and PC

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they barely added anything new and barely expanded anything
        >proceeds to explain a particular thing they did revealing that they did in fact add new things and expanded things
        You fricking idiot.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's multiple Rebirth threads a day.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why isn't anyone on Ganker talking about this (PS5 Exclusive JARPG)
    Gee I wonder why
    Almost like its a semi niche genre, only really for people that like nu-final fantasy (And maybe KH) who also happen to have a PS5 for some reason

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why 16gays are so delusional?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      gamefaqs is 95% boomers
      Rebirth isn't discussed among zoomers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >gamefaqs
      We are reaching previously unseen levels of cope. You already know the PS1 FF7 boards was one of the most popular in Gamefaqs, they just migrated there

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you start a “my Earisu waifu” thread chances are it will reach the bump limit

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    (I'm here, still awaiting that THIS game get released for PC, after all the spoilers released until now.)

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are there any nude mods

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For Rebirth or 16? Not as far as I’ve seen since they are PS5 only for now. As soon as they come to pc there will be a ton like Remake had

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >like remake had
        Oh cool I just didnt pay attention but good to know

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ya there’s lots of Tifa and Jessie nude mods for remake, pretty decent too. Likely plenty of Aerith and Yuffie mods too.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2 words

    Chadley

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is literally a thread about it everyday

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Liar, there are like 5 threads every day

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are you ready for young sephiroth joining the fight against sephiroth

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Square is just fricking moronic and puts all of their devs with passion and soul on shitty mobile gacha games.
      >Brave Exvius has 10/10 spritework better than any 2D FF
      >Ever Crisis perfectly manages to capture the aesthetic of PS1 FF.
      >instead of putting these artists on a mid-budget project they instead pump out total scam dogshit like Diofield or Valkyrie Elysium

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is just how the industry is nowadays, not something that only SE does. Instead of having spinoffs nowadays you'll get gachas. And that is the best outcome instead of having 200 dollars of microtransactions in mainline games.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lmao you can't be serious. EC is a scam moneygrab there are no devs with passion in it. Rebirth had passion

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          EC is really good in its first soldier content, the worst issue of it is the balancing. Something they already said they would fix this month.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          tbhdesu, EC does have better swimsuits than Rebirth

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yea it's a dressup cashgrab

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              nothing wrong with that

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's a big dagger

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                For brainless gachabrains maybe

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not gachagay myself, but it funds the main games and gives me outfits to mod into remake, so what's the problem. They should drain even more money from gachagays but the game seems to be dying

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but the game seems to be dying
                After the last livestream it doesnt seem like it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Revenue is steadily dropping

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Btw, does steam spending is considered in those charts?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if you're talking about the gacha monthly revenues thread charts, dont think so, those only count for mobile iirc

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah that's why i wonder if we can even know how EC is doing accurately. If i'm not mistaken granblue fantasy is in the same spot because it can be played on browser.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've been playing since it came out and they started recycling content like 3 months in lmao
                Game will shut down prob end of this year, I only put like $3 into it so not too worried

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PUT IT ON FRICKING PC ALREADY!!!!

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That reminds me that i have to replay it in japanese / my own language for an accurate translation. No more english cringe.
    I have to take a break from elden ring.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The card game fricking filter me. I was angry enough they were pushing it on the boat but I push through only to find they also push it in Costa del Sol for the bathing suits. If I wanted to play shitty card games I would have bought a shitty card game.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You fricking homosexual dipshit OP, this game has had daily threads for the last 6 months. Fricking stupid Black person shithead, I’d shove a stick up your ass if you weren’t already fisting yourself while typing up lies and horseshit.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I won't lie it's been a somewhat weak year for gaming compared to last year. Still, Rebirths greatness is not diminished. When I finished I thought to myself it's not the best game of the year. It's one of the best games of all time. Games like overwatch and dragons age are able to win in weak years but they don't hold a candle to rebirth. You have to compare it to the best games of the decade to find something better but only then will you have something worth comparing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought the last segments (Ancient Temple, and especially the final 15+ phase fight) brought the game up to an 8.5 atleast. If the game stopped at the QTE Gold saucer play sequence I would have given it a 7.0 at most. The final segments of the game are just that good.

      Still haven't gotten through hard mode yet, but so far it's quite fun in that you can't crutch on mega potions anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I suck at the game even on normal.

        I got as far as midgarsomr before I went to easy. I am fail

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most people who are intelligent enough to hold a basic conversation are waiting for the entire game to come out before caring about it.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh no Final Flop bros our part 3 budget?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You say it's a flop and yet SE is letting Nomura do whatever he damn well pleases. So it's obviously doing something right.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You say it's a flop
        Square Enix agrees with me KEK

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No. But keeping telling yourself that bro.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Square Enix President Takashi Kiryu revealed that the publisher's recent games, such as Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, Final Fantasy 16, and Foamstars, have poorer sales than expected.
            Final cope bros...

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And yet 7R-3 is still well in development. If it were a massive flop they'd just cut their losses. Meaning it did well enough to break even but not exel, therefore not a flop.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >to break even
                >Our big hit will eventually make 0 money
                Cope bros our response???

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your strawman is weak

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, it's par the course for anything that isn't multiplayer or shilled to hell and back... That or it's because it's locked to the PS5

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did this game die faster than FF16? I haven't seen anyone talk about this game in weeks
    The only time I saw people talkink about FF16 was when the gay sex scene leaked before the game came out

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because Jill >>> Aerith and Tifa

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I need MAI porn
    where the frick is it

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm confused. Didn't the first game imply that Aerith somehow got her memories from a different timeline and already knew about her fate and what was going to happen next? Then how do the same events still happen as in the original?

    That just means she didn't take advantage of her future knowledge at all.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Neither did Sephiroth. Which is why he's still doing the Meteor plan even knowing that Meteor failed last time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they addressed this in rebirth.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When and where

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          aerith at the beginning explicitly said that all her memories were sapped away by whispers
          same goes for red xiii in his date

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I saved her

    https://x.com/tidusyuna/status/1796357470757224703

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hopechads I’m trusting the plan

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Left is reality, right is what Cloud believed he saw.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ultimania interview or no, we never actually see Sephiroth merging worlds or fail in merging worlds. There was zero spectacle in this and there was no reason for it either since he doesn't have the fricking black materia and his body is at the northern crater so he still can't do shit.

          hello moron kun, you figured out the joy aspect during the merge? Or are we still stuck on "sephiroth is saying random shit" and ignoring the ultimania?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Says the guy who ignores Ultimania.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Aw you had weeks and still no explanation for the joy aspect? I expected a bit more moron kun

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                tf are you talking about?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So no answer kek. WIll you have a nice day when part 3 releases? The denial can only last so long after all.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >holy looks different
        >aerith’s hair is clearly different
        >bow has different positioning due to the hair
        >particle effects are slightly different
        How do morons argue that she is not saved in one world?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >completely different visual effects from what happens during masamune block

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Same glitches son

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Glitches in this franchise are nothing but intrusive memories. Characters other than Cloud get them too.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No it's confirmed to be Cloud rejecting reality.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Actually it's confirmed there are several factors in play that he can't tell without spoiling

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >various factors involved
                I.e. Can’t take that quote at face value at all

                See

                Ok what fate did they defy?

                She ded son

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So he’s basically saying “we might not even make part 3 lol”

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And this is the reason I don't take the remake project seriously anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if SE homosexuals are sapwning these threads to see the reaction of the fans so they decide which path they will follow.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "please, no..."

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No depressed mailman for you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >shows the marriage prediction right after their date
                based, hopechads will win

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't that what they promised at the end of Remake?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >story doesn’t conclude its setups midway through
                crazy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i'm confident when all parts are released that you could cut out rebirth and barely anything of worth will be lost

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kind of. Storywise this portion of FF7 is pretty shallow and comes down to “follow guy around” while going from place to place learning about the characters backstories.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Everyone knows this is a mistranslation, Tifa. Even Max knows it. Dont even try.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even the title has "link up" in that way because the guy itself doesnt know what it means. Incredible way to prove your point, moron-san.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mistranslated. Actual director of the game (the guy actually actively working on it on a daily basis) says they are treating it as a standalone universe and no direct ties will be made to the compilation continuity.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When was the last time Hamaguchi didn't follow the compilation lore?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Irrelevant to what I said.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mistranslation, also the game has linked up with AC in the form of canon mandatory lewd handholding

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                AC is prequel

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kadaj was born out of nowhere

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What caused the time reset after DoC?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                GENESIS

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So only 500 years in the future after DoC?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Where is he right now?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nomura directly mentions this in the Rebirth Ultimania

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That shit feeds the whole "cloud created a split where she's alive" a lot.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Depressed mailman route is over

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >various factors involved
                I.e. Can’t take that quote at face value at all

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      final chapter is called "End of the world"..

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      final chapter is called "End of the world"..

      Nojima’s vision…

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >End of the world
        >Aerith is canonically what Cloud cherishs most
        >Its the end of (Cloud’s) world
        He’s done it again

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But muh tifa

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            tifa > aerith

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thats why when Aerith reassures him and every moment with her afterwards, he smiles and shows the most emotion we have ever seen from Cloud

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what is there to talk about? i put 200 hours into it. really enjoyed it. there are plenty of other people who put in similar playtimes and didnt enjoy it. thats it. really isnt anything else to talk about

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does the game ever explain the origin of the time jannies?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All will be revealed in Part 3

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The game doesn't even explain the timelines in the first place. Shit literally just happens.
      Nomura spent upwards of 20 years handwaving everything in Kingdom Hearts for spectacle with no substance, and thought he could carry that back into FF7 where people still ask questions.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I assumed the whispers were created by the weapons because they lost so badly in the OG timeline and were sore losers about it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        :O

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because FF16 threads are propped up by Barry's hatred of Yoshida while nobody gives a shit one way or another about Nomura.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The game released exclusively on the PS5, a console that is famous for not being able to sell any games (most probably because people don't want to waste 80 fricking euros on a single game)

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Cloud/Aerith reunion and kiss in the promised land
      Nojima may repent for his crimes if he delivers

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What crimes?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, he's literally the crux behind all of the schizo stuff in Remake/Rebirth and Kingdom Hearts

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No that's Kitase and Nomura. Nojima just follows instructions.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the part where yuffie takes a shot at rufus in junon, and instead of cloud realizing things are fricked and finishing the job he goes "bro it wasn't me bro trust BRO"
    this shit is a fricking comedy, i can't wait for part 3

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cloud was just thinking the previous second about joining forces with rufus and realized he could potentially turn Shinra against sephiroth.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can tell how dire the state of FF that they have to fight over MCU multiverse shit. maybe all of this could have been solved telling an actual story instead of larping as the russo brothers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      theres no multiverse. And only a moron would use the MCU as if there was the only referent.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All this multiverse bullshit is just a setup so they can have a good excuse to pull off Super Nova in part 3 without making it look silly.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So since rebirth established that there are two kinds of whisper.. does that mean the ones from Remake were being controlled by Sephiroth or did the split happened afterwards?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's actually 3 believe it or not. Remake's Whispers belong to the Planet itself, that's why they were neutral for most of the game and enforced the plot of FF7. In Rebirth the Whispers were split with the black whispers working for Sephiroth and the white whispers working for Aerith

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        White whispers are working for the planet not aerith

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's actually 3 believe it or not. Remake's Whispers belong to the Planet itself, that's why they were neutral for most of the game and enforced the plot of FF7. In Rebirth the Whispers were split with the black whispers working for Sephiroth and the white whispers working for Aerith

          the white ones are omni aerith ones.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no proof. If you assess them it just says they are there to guard planets will and destiny. They try to prevent sephiroth whispers from opening the portal to aerith for cloud

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Um... Cloud was there in the OG.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Play the game. They are clearly trying to prevent the black sephiroth whispers from opening the portal. There also isn't a giant whisper wall in OG preventing the party from entering if you can recall anything

                >And what did the planet want? And what does Sephiroth want?
                Well it's simple. Planet wanted Remake and Rebirth to follow the original, since that way planet survival is guaranteed. Meanwhile Sephiroth wants the opposite. He wants to defy the planets will. He is the one who opens the portal to Aerith for Cloud. Cloud seems determined when he mutters Aerith's name to open the portal, like he is making his decision.
                I am 100% that the "push" Sephiroth gave Cloud in the mindfrick dimension was showing him what will happen to aerith if he doesn't help him "defy destiny". That's why he laughs and cloud angerly charges him

                Assessing them is also a good idea

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              they are the ones that guide zack to cloud fight, and they are the ones that hold bizarro so cloud can climb
              also the the ones that keep cloud from losing his mind creating his own schizo reality
              and the ones that make lifestream aerith dissapear

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where is genesis 🙁

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hopefully dead

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nuuuuh 🙁

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    3 more years until Part III.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cloti and zerith
      Based

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tifa > aerith

        >t.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i am not tifa. tifa doesnt post here

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No but I do

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Redditfantasy 7: Redditbirth

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can do better

      You can be better

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FF15 is utter trash, not even the Japanese like it.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, I can't even imagine how they're going to cover the rest of the story in part 3 without it feeling rushed as hell. I didn't expect part 2 to skip Wutai and Rocket Town, so there's already too much shit they need to cover in part 3 if they don't skip any of the Weapon fights inculde the optional ones

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the same way they tackled part 2
      part 2 already covered all the meat

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You just know they’re gonna cut shit out of part 3 to save moneys

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only good final fantasy games are tactics and origins

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cringe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      grim

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is ever crisis worth trying at all?

      I’d be playing it on pc with a controller if that’s possible.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No. The only good thing about ever crisis is it gives me outfits to mod into remake

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh

          Ok

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Is ever crisis worth trying at all?
        It's a weapon gacha where your main pull targets are costumes that have unique passives

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are the chances that they'll revamp the game into a single-player experience and release it on console? They did the same with FFXV Pocket Edition even though that game isn't gacha.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I’d rather they did the opposite for console and released a live service action dungeon crawler where you make your own soldier and team up with others.

        Like FF explorers but with the FFVII remake engine.

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The more i see remakes like persona 3 reload, silent hill 2 remake, paper mario, super mario rpg ones, the more i realize ff7 remake was the right decision.

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nomura's fanfiction got more attention than it deserved. Thankfully the vast majority of it was people shitting on the game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even he’s fed up of it I hear.

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sex with the yuff

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was great. Took me 160 hrs to platinum it. I am now patiently waiting for the PC port so I can do it all over again only this time Tifa had no spats.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can change outfits in new game + fyi

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Obviously I know that as I platinumed it and that requires replaying it on ng+. No, I'm not talking about the swimsuits. I'm talking about the normal Tifa outfit with nice white panties under the skirt.

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zoomer slop that was meant to repackage and resell the nostalgia and reverence people had for the original to a new generation of consumers
    Fine then, let them consume it because I sure as shit won't. I pirated the first one and played it for like 2 hours before deleting it and replaying the original with Seventh Heaven mods.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ok bye then

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe that would have some bite to it if this game wasn't a massive fricking flop instead of literally the easiest slam dunk in all of gaming history
        kek

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://x.com/CloudMateria/status/1796934966607073644

  68. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw I see a thread about Yuffie's game.
    Can't wait for part 3, want at least 3 chapters in Wutai/Shinra war, it has to happen before meteor as well.

  69. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all FF7 fanfiction gets ignored. There are probably 20 different awful FF7 spinoff games and they all got even less attention than Rebirth.

    ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS REMAKE THE FRICKING GAME! THAT'S ALL YOU HAD TO DO! But no, they had to make it a multiverse re-imagining of 1/3 of the game. Frick Square Enix.

  70. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you do new game plus does it remember all the shit you’ve done for chadley or do you have to do everything again

    Because frick that shit if you do

  71. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  72. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like my likely GOTY barring any surprises. I fully expect Shadow of the Erdtree and Dawntrail to be good too but I don't think expansions should be elligible for GOTY awards.

  73. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FF7 Remake already demonstrated that they don't know how to write a good plot anymore

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought Remake was like that because they kept all their ammo for Part 2. My fault for giving them the benefit of the doubt

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the problem with rebirth is that it even betrays the premise of remake

        with remake's ending, it's basically stated that the plot isn't following ff7s. with rebirth, it tries to have its cake and eat it too, in that it retains all the major plot points except also zack is alive in a parallel timeline and now timelines can be 'doomed' and cloud is going to have to go to zacks timeline or some shit since cloud's timeline is doomed

  74. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    7 has baggage, and its the second part of a trilogy.

  75. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  76. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So when do we think Aerith will send up smoke for Cloud in Part 3?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably at the last stretch before we go beat the shit out of sephiroth.

  77. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish they’d make a game out of advent children but considering how poorly rebirth did it’s not at all likely now.

  78. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m taking my sweet time with the game because I don’t want it to end.

    I just got to cosmo canyon. Wtf is up with cid they totally ruined him I wanted him to have his damn tea

  79. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone pissed off they don't let any scenes the moment to breathe? Why the frick am I fighting Palmer when Barret was still grieving? Is 30 seconds of taking it all in too much to ask for? The frick is wrong with this game speedrunning through all the important plot beats of the OG.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why the frick am I fighting Palmer when Barret was still grieving?
      because barret is the one grieving, cloud and co are covering him

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes the cutscenes were waaaaay too short in my opinion. Not enough story to enjoy. Never thought I’d say that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You should try KH3 and see if it slows down.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That scene felt rushed but i dont remember many other moments like that, so i cant say they do it all the time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Barret gets way may more time in this game compared to the original, speed run my ass.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dyne death is the most butchered scene compared to OG kino

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not at all. Now it actually makes sense.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            psychopath being suicidal after a beatdown doesnt make much sense. In rebirth he gets the death he deserved, one where he doesnt care what happens to him as long as he takes shinra people down

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He's not suicidal because he got beat up, he's suicidal because he's had a brief moment of lucidity. It's the first time in years he's acknowledged the type of person he's turned into and realized he can never come back from. Hell when he first learned Marlene was alive his first thought was to kill her and send her to her mother, he understood he was too far gone to continue living and could only ask Barret to give Marlene her mother's necklace as a memento.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dude he was fricking murdering literally everyone he's 100% psycho

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          OG scene was perfection

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think the Seto scene is far worse. Not just because the camera won't stop fricking moving or jumping. But while Nanaki is having this revelation that his father wasn't who he thought he was but he's also grieving not just his father but regretting the undue hatred he laid at his feet, one of my favorite memories in gaming, the game decides to pivot into even more side bullshit. In the name of covering up a plothole in FF7. Thanks for explaining why the Gi are hanging around as musty ass ghosts but could you people not have put it in a better spot? And also not make the explanation even dumber than the lack of one? Gaia has now suffered not one but TWO alien invasions. The Black Materia was the result of aliens just wanting to die. Not a horrible memory from a long dead Cetra who invented magic so horrific that it was locked up in an impossible trap. It was aliens. How'd aliens make their own Materia anyway? Aren't Materia supposed to be solidified Mako?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Aren't Materia supposed to be solidified Mako?
        materia is made from lifestream. Lifestream are the memories from the planet. Not something that can be made only of mako
        There are naturally formed materia in nibel.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >materia is made from lifestream
          Yes solidified Mako. Mako is the Shinra brand name for the Lifestream. Materia is condensed Lifestream that contains memories of whatever lives are contained inside of it. Those memories which can be relayed into the holder, permitting use of magic or whatever skill the materia represents. The Gi have no access to the Lifestream. They don't die when they are killed. They invented Black Materia even though they have no Lifestream to condense

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They cant return to the lifestream, nothing is said about not being capable of manipulating it. Also, we only know the black materia is like the inverse of the white materia, so if the white materia is made of hope from the planet, the black materia is probably made from the despair of the GI. We never hear something like "the black materia is made from our lifestream, only that the GI created it.
            If we can create the white materia, why couldnt they create the black materia based on how their own souls/memories/hope work?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              OG FF7 doesn't remark on the White Materia being "hope" or whatever, just that it connects the holder to the planet and allows them to speak with it. Materia as a whole, based on Sephiroth's explanation, pretty much requires them to be pulled from the souls of the dead within the Lifestream to be what they are. I have a problem with this hope despair emotion thing they're pulling with this remake. If you don't need to be dead to create materia then why is everyone freaking out over this Lifestream thing? Just fill an orb with whatever emotion you're feeling and give it to Shinra to break down back into Mako.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I used hope as a pure example. In general you just need to have a solid idea that while the white materia is made from memories or whatever is into the lifestream, the black materia is the antithesis of it. You are the one who's infering the GI are manipulating our lifestream. They say themselves in that chapter how the black materia is like the manifestation of their wish to die, they are putting all their strength into that shit. Nothing about lifestream or mako.

                The best example of that is how instead of destroying or undoing it the Cetra had to seal it, they are not specialized in whatever is into the black materia.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                White materia is for casting holy, black materia is for casting meteor. It's that simple

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. The point was never that tho, the discussion was about the nature of it.
                Also, it was in the og, now their roles are expanded a lot more.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why did they handle all the deaths of named characters in this game with kiddy gloves?
      Dyne's suicide in the OG isn't really that violent I don't know why they went and changed it
      Also having Aerith die then come back then dead then come back fricking killed the ending
      In the OG you see her actually get stabbed and die and assume at the time that's it for her

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        suicide would raise the CERO rating, prease undustandu

  80. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  81. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  82. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Threadly reminder there are 2 Aeriths in the ending

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron theory. Go ahead post the full pasta

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the best moogle will forever be stuck in ff7 remakes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Her dress or hair doesn't react to the force of air but Cait and Barret's clothes do.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes hence there's 2 Aeriths.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cmon post the full pasta. Why did you stop doing it?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            his little theory got BTFO a bit to much

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Which one? It's not that hard the first Aerith is different from the second Aerith

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you were spamming the full breakdown before about when the aerith switches. But now you just post the webm

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This one? Having second thoughts about the one who told Cloud not to look up.

                >when the party is by the water after burying aerith
                Jenova

                >when the party is readying the tiny bronco
                Lifestream. Red could sense her, her dress doesn't react to the Tiny Bronco

                >the one who said don't look up
                Probably Lifestream Aerith, her voice is projected into Cloud's head

                >the one who teleported and talked to Cloud after everyone had boarded
                Jenova. Her dress now can react to the Tiny Bronco and she can speak now.

                >the one who said goodbye after the plane has flown away
                Lifestream. Again the voice sounds projected.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Aw I'm pretty sure you skipped the part about """"Jenova""""(lol) forcing cloud to go after sephiroth. Wasn't that part of your pasta? Or is it too easy to expose as moronic?

                Also apparently according to you jenova and lifestream aerith just happen to be in the same spot at the goodbye (lol)

                Jenova is also sad when not looking at cloud for some reason, she also likes flirting with cloud kek

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah that's all Jenova, but really when I say Jenova it's really his imagination or hallucination. I should probably change it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So his imagination likes aerith being sad when she is not looking at him and wants aerith to flirt with him? Just how obsessed is my boy.

                And again, the """Two""" (Lol) aeriths are in the same spot after she finishes talking to cloud and plane leaves, just a coincidence or what?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm more in line of thinking the one saying goodbye is ethereal and not really standing there but just saying goodbye from the afterlife, but then I noticed this one

                Ok what fate did they defy?

                which means yes she's standing there (lifestream Aerith) at the same spot.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah so there is no switch, jenova and lifestream aerith just overlap each other? kek

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes but there is a switch because there are obviously 2 Aeriths. But aren't you guys the biggest advocates of timeline Aerith only existing in Cloud's line of sights?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So what did jenova achieve at the ending that it was so necessary for SE to include two aeriths? Remind me again

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lifestream Aerith is there to say goodbye but can't interact with anyone. Jenova/hallucination Aerith is just Cloud justifying his version of reality that he saved Aerith. But his imagination cannot be sustained for a long time so he imagined a reason for Aerith to stay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and this hallucination flirts with cloud and looks sad when she is not looking at him? Why can cloud see """lifestream""" aerith if it's just his hallucination?
                What does the crack in the sky mean?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bonus, since cloud can see both jenova and lifestream aerith (according to you there are two) He would be seeing two aeriths in the ending. Do you think that's moronic or not?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes and she also says nonsensical things like praying for holy when it's already been cast and the materia is forever lost. The crack in the sky is probably a hallucination since only Cloud can see it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You didn't answer my qustion. Clearly cloud can also see your """lifestream aerith""".
                So cloud is seeing two aeriths at the same time in the ending and is totally fine with it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No Cloud can't see lifestream Aerith. Nobody can

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He literally can, check webm

                and this hallucination flirts with cloud and looks sad when she is not looking at him? Why can cloud see """lifestream""" aerith if it's just his hallucination?
                What does the crack in the sky mean?

                . You said the aerith red can sense is lifestream aerith

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes Red can sense but not see her. No Cloud can't see her. He was looking at the plane explosion earlier. And that's final.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nig He is literally looking at her in the webm, are you just going to deny reality?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wasn't shown where he's looking at. And are you going to deny the reality that there are 2 Aeriths reacting differently to the plane engine?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you can't tell that the webm is showing you aerith seeing cloud is looking at her and changing
                her expression immediately you must be double digit

                and this hallucination flirts with cloud and looks sad when she is not looking at him? Why can cloud see """lifestream""" aerith if it's just his hallucination?
                What does the crack in the sky mean?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                don't worry, he will alter his theory for next time. That is jenova aerith too in the new copypasta

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He was looking at the commotion around the plane. And by your logic he could've seen Aerith teleporting behind Yuffie after hanging with Barret.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's literally a different scene you homosexual. Classic tifaBlack person

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nope Aerith teleported behind Yuffie right after the plane engine scene.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your previous screen was you snake. So how do you explain that, both of the aeriths in that case for you are lifestream aerith, so it's literally the same problem if you think that the switch is instanteneous

                and this hallucination flirts with cloud and looks sad when she is not looking at him? Why can cloud see """lifestream""" aerith if it's just his hallucination?
                What does the crack in the sky mean?

                And here it's clear aerith looks up, sees cloud looking at her and goes away from looking sad near tifa, clearly not wanting cloud to feel like anything is wrong. A primary school kid can tell what is being shown here, but you will make a billion excuses

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lifestream Aerith can see Cloud but not the other way around. And here's a webm of Aerith teleporting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why would her expression change and she would stop being near tifa if cloud can't see her?
                And that's your """lifestream""" aerith, which has teleportation powers now for some reason, she is celebrating with the party but suddenly feels the urge to teleport behind yuffie? Or is the switch in the scenes not instantaneous?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She's just hanging around. They're all ready to head out just after that anyway. Also the scene transitions are instantaneous. You can see Barret, Cait and Cid haven't moved yet.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why would her expression change and she would stop being near tifa if cloud can't see her?
                Why did she feel the urge to teleport behind yuffie and not celebrate with the party? Why is she even celebrating if no one can see her?
                If Cloud can't see her, nothing about her actions makes sense.
                >Barret, Cait and Cid haven't moved yet.
                People can't stand in the same spot for a couple minutes?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She hangs with everyone one by one as her gesture to say goodbye. Makes sense to me. Still she is ethereal and her dress doesn't react with the plane engine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't surprise me that it makes sense to you kek. Same as sephiroth is saying random shit makes sense to you. You pick a theory you like and ignore what the game shows you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And there are 2 Aeriths in the ending that you're denying.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ah yes two aeriths, both that cloud can see at the same time which totally makes sense. And both conveniently standing at the same spot. Cloud is so obsessed with aerith he needs to hallucinate her flirting with him

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Really just based on how her dress reacts to the plane engine is enough

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's there to show brainlets like you that she isn't really in the same world.
                Is cloud who can jump 30 feet in the air and gameplay cloud who can't jump over a small fence a different cloud too?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And then her dress reacts to the plane engine afterwards.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                okay so there are 2 cloud too clearly. One can do superhuman jumps and the other can't, and they are both conviniently in the same spot at all times. Also plane is different from wind in the world apparently. Since aerith can react to wind just fine.

                She stopped saying her goodbyes to Tifa and Red.

                And it's just a massive coincidence she suddenly stops being sad after cloud looks at her, and walks away. Almost like she was caught

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And Tifa can actually uppercut all the way to space.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And Cloud can make his sword glow with lifestream at will

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                see , cloud can see two aeriths at the same time by your logic.
                dress scene was there to show she isn't in the same world. That's it. Why is her dress reacting to wind from the world if she isn't really there? Why is that not a problem to you then?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If Cloud can see lifestream Aerith then it's exactly how it seems to the viewers. She was there and then she's gone in the middle and then she reappears when he's about to board the plane. But no he can't see lifestream Aerith.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So aerith changes her sad expression immediately after seeing cloud looking at her nad stops being near tifa for what reason?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She stopped saying her goodbyes to Tifa and Red.

  83. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not a big fan of the all white color scheme but she looks good with Cloud's all black samurai outfit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why does the hair and lighting look better in the fricking mobile game?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cause it's a barely moving image from a static camera angle meant for a 4-inch screen.

  84. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  85. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Barry trying to get 16 and Rebirth fans fighting

    how sad

  86. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Aerith has to be in part 3, she doesn't have all her weapons and limit breaks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >spend the bulk of part 3 finding weapons and limits for her
      >can't use them
      >cloud and by extension the play feel the hollowness

  87. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because FF7R is trash.
    Is there a single game with more egregious padding??
    I think FF7R is the worst case of padding in existence. Genuinely terrible game. no way did they expect anyone to be coming back to replay this trash.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AC Valhalla and Shadow of War.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just watched a speedrun of Shadow of war and the main character is very fast. I haven't seen him get locked into a single slow animation or forced walking segment yet so I doubt it.
        if you watch a speedrun of FF7R it's basically all padding, everything is the devs attempting to slow you down with scripted bullshit and slow walking and the only way to skip some of it is to badly glitch the game.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Luckily I'm going to be working none stop for the rest of the year, so when I do get the chance to play Rebirth PC all the upscaled and costume mods should be up.

          Anon that's not what padding means, if the characters are talking and exposition dumping fair enough, that's not your cup of tea. Shadow of War at launch reset ALL your progress on the map and then to get the ending you legit had to do everything again for no reason. That's padding.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Anon that's not what padding means
            It is padding and it's the worst form of it. it's 30 hours of artificially stopping your character from progressing and it makes the game absolute miserable to play.
            it's done purely to pad out the play time.
            if you have full control of your character then at least it's a game but when it's 90% non-gameplay it's unplayable dogshit.

            >Shadow of War at launch reset ALL your progress on the map
            this sounds like a glitch. I'm guessing this was patched

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's a narrative tool, you may not like it, but accept it. Walking and talking isn't padding, padding is unnecessary gameplay that you have to do. Like the Drum and return to the sewers in Remake, Shinra Manor in Rebirth as Cait Sith, neither added anything of note.

              And no it's not a glitch, you conquer the map then Sauron retakes the entire map then you've got to reconquer it, but all the enemies have had massive level ups, your soldiers/captains are shit, and you get to do it all over again. You could pay for Uruks at launch in Shadow of War as well.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a narrative tool, you may not like it, but accept it
                You poor naïve son of a b***h. It's a padding tool. it's designed to waste your time.
                that's why your can't skip it. devs figured out they could pad out out hours of time with it and have been using it in snoy games ever since.
                The narrative in 7R is not good. it's quite possibly the worst plot ever written. So it's not something anyone wants to spend time watching again.

                Hi-fi Rush also has talking segments but you always have full control over your character and can run through it all. That's the way it's meant to be. "narrative" is not and will never be an excuse for horrendous padding.

                The real FF7 doesn't have this cancer. Nomuras team needed to justify selling a single game as 3 parts and this is what they did to artificially inflate the play time.
                there's only about 6 hours of real content.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a padding tool. it's designed to waste your time.
                >that's why your can't skip it.
                Yes dude
                when the devs designed that part, they thought "what if we waste the players time here?"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's exactly why it's there.
                Why do you think switches have slow animations that waste minutes instead of milliseconds? and you have to hold triangle for an unreasonable amount of time just to trigger them instead of a simple triangle press.. and then it takes too long for the game to give you control again. all this obfuscation adds up.
                They are stalling you while that play timer counts up and you're too stupid to pick up on it.

  88. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not ready to see EC making Angeal cool.

  89. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  90. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FFXVI for all its faults had a story with a beginning middle and end with strong performances and a fun (albeit easy) combat system.
    VIIR is all anime bloat with awful voice acting by everybody except Barret and Red XIII, and even they can't escape the anime "Wuh? Huh? Uhhh... Eheheh..." dogshit that infects every game

  91. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Rebirth bad voice acting.
    Very subtle.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the voice acting in XVI was good enough to disguise the cheesy animu plot tbh

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think the voice acting in both is superb, Schizo Cloud at the end is creepy as frick.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's shit voice acting. it couldn't be worse.
          it cringe stilted dialogue with unnatural inflections, autistic mannerisms and insufferable anime noises. there's no fricking way you're comparing that awkward Shonen slop Kingdom Hearts voice acting with 16s natural sounding real human VA work.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dickrider

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            kek it's that good the voice acting lost to the homosexual vampire for BG3 get a grip

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What are we talking about? game awards?
              I never played BG3 but I know the VA is still better better than 7Rs kingdom hearts voice acting.
              7R will never even be nominated for good voice acting. You wanna know why? it's cringe bottom of the barrel trash.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                insane levels of seethe.

  92. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i find it extremely ironic that the ff7 remake series is having an identity crisis considering the major theme tying cloud and sephiroth together is in fact identity

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it doesnt have that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >we must fight fate so we can diverge from the main plot
        >we are going to follow first half of FF7s plot beat for beat except in a worse way (like with Dyne) and also there are multiverses now because that's what Marvel is doing

        this is schizophrenic even for nomura

  93. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  94. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Materia itself is a concept copied from Gosho Aoyama's anime Kenyuu densetsu Yaiba.
    That's why buster sword is one-slot when the story was about 15yo hero Cloud and 16yo heroine Aerith. Even when illusts updated to current version and their ages are setted to 21yo & 22yo (before late 1996), Materias are still unknown to average people like Tifa (picrel is an unused scene in the final version of OG, but once used in promo, when Tifa still has Yuffie personality).
    >「わぁ、きれい!」 Wow, it's beautiful!
    >「これがマテリア?」 This is Materia?
    >「ああ。人間の未知の力を引き出す」 Yeah. It draws an *unknown power from humans*.
    The whole lifestream thingy was slapped into the scenario like in last 3 months of 1996. Before that Seph (added into the scenario just a bit earlier) was born as a normal human in Nibelheim and being an Onii-chan to kid Cloud and Tifa. He's even another *Osananajimi* of Tifa.

    [...]

  95. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  96. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  97. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  98. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gold saucer concept art uses Tifa
    wtf Aerithbros... I thought our dates were supposed to be canon...

  99. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sephiroth laughing at cloud and throwin her blood at him puts him above OG sephiroth

  100. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we can start getting Tseng in gacha spinoffs now that Rebirth finally had him fight

  101. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's not Yuffie Cloud, she has no scar.
    >You're not Yuffie you can't be, you have n....wait.
    >Just say it Cloud.

  102. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    tbf, they can't really start changing the plot until we get the whole party together and Cloud's brain gets fixed

  103. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's writen at the bottom?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Examples or romantic(aerith) and comical(yuffie) dates

          thanks

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Examples or romantic(aerith) and comical(yuffie) dates

  104. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aerith is going to come back to die via being crushed by a fridge in part 3 to "save" Cloud.

  105. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Absolutely too cute for me to handle

  106. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because 16 was a better game that also had to have it's own original everything. With some improvements like party management and others I'd happily have an FF17 that played like 16 because for a first time attempt they did a decent job.

    Meanwhile FF7 Reimagining Part 2 Electric Boogaloo is both trying to keep people who wanted a remake but didn't get it and the people who wanted a reimagining but aren't really getting it, pleasing neither.

    Trust me, putting it on Snoy 5 exclusive is probably what harmed both games the most, but at the end of the day people are still annoyed over shelling out 60 bigbois for FF7 Remake and ending up with spoiler spooks and other literal insanity reimagining shenanigans.

    Most of this can actually be attributed to the previous CEO, known for "NFTs are the future", Flopspoken, and continuing doing sony exclusives, and you better believe he wrote off on allowing FF7 to be a reimagining instead of a remake. Full stop the man must have been some manner of corporate espionage agent because he's run SE into the ground so hard the ONLY thing they have now is XIV which he's been hamstringing for the majority of it's life since ARR budget wise.

  107. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  108. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's on life support from waifu homosexuals and Nomura cultists

  109. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does FF16 even has a fanbase? i know like 5 people who talk about it but most people recognize it was a massive disappointment.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen more positive things said about 16 than 15 at the very least.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even dreamboum dropped it so not really. A lot of people who saw the game as the second coming of christ because of yoship paid the price.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >A lot of people who saw the game as the second coming of christ because of yoship paid the price.
        This is interesting because yoship just did what he does in the mmo, the point is how doing a mmo and doing an actual game are different things. so 16 is in the weirdest place ever when it's not doing the most expensive cutscenes ever. Even the writing issues are the same as the mmo.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, on Reddit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is this a joke or are you serious? i'm really asking about it because i have no idea of where the fanbase of it lies now. I think 16 released in a better state than 15 but even 15 feels like it has a core audience because they liked the 4 dudes in a roadtrip.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not joking. They delete any comments that give negative criticism on the game. If that's not what fanbases do, then I don't know what to call it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I see. At least they have a place, because i'm really into the ff fanbase but 16 strangely doesnt have any presence on it. I only see some random screenshots here and there and some posts praising specific scenes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I loved it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well for starters, it was an action game, which is like poison for rpg fans.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, the issue is that they had no idea if they wanted to make an action game or a rpg. People would still talk about the characters if they were present in the story, even if it was only an action game, look at DMC. Most of FF16's characters were wasted.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          FF16 is weird because it is one of the longest ffs ever but the characters are underutilized as frick. Jill is captured more than Princess Peach in a Mario game. 3 times.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            well duh. in each mainline mario peach is only captured once, to be recued at the very end.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Which makes jill being captured 3 times even more impressive. She's also supposed to be at least top 9 strongest characters in that world btw.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The funny thing about FF16 feeling long is Yoshida said they looked into cutting shit out of the game, but it would've cost more development budget to do so than to just leave shit in. Frankly, the biggest problem with 16 was that they wanted to make the prettiest game in they could and it cost them so much money to build what they did that adjusting the final version to be the best it can be would be too expensive. If FF16 had FF13 level graphics, it could've had twice as much content and also take half as long for the casual player to finish.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No
              They just aim for the casual HBO movie audience for 16. Trying hard to copy game of thrones but ending up to build a bland narrative game
              A forgettable game

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Trying hard to copy game of thrones but ending up to build a bland narrative game
                So succeeding in copying GoT.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You've never read GoT

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Exactly my point.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The FF16 writer is a god tier at world building and lore but absolute dogshit at character writing. When you don't have 400 hours of story to spread out your character development like in the MMO they just decided to cut it all out

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I know, he always talks about how he creates the world first then the characters later. And this tells everything. 16 is the prime example of all the issues born from that writing style.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I know, he always talks about how he creates the world first then the characters later. And this tells everything. 16 is the prime example of all the issues born from that writing style.
                It is funny how 15 and 16 are the complete opposite of each other. One is focused in character interactions/relationships and abystmal plotline. The other is tons and tons of worldbuilding but with wasted characters.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I agree that the game’s biggest issues are in how it’s basically a character action game stretched to the length of an rpg. I honestly liked the cast though I wish some characters got more time, and I especially liked the hideaway peeps. I think I’d come away a lot more negative on the whole cast if Clive wasn’t probably my favourite protag in the series.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The funny thing about FF16 feeling long is Yoshida said they looked into cutting shit out of the game, but it would've cost more development budget to do so than to just leave shit in. Frankly, the biggest problem with 16 was that they wanted to make the prettiest game in they could and it cost them so much money to build what they did that adjusting the final version to be the best it can be would be too expensive. If FF16 had FF13 level graphics, it could've had twice as much content and also take half as long for the casual player to finish.

            What makes me angry about 16 is how they had everything there but they just shat on it by doing all the wrong choices. Why the frick they make us talk with 30 random bearers instead of doing sidequests with jill, cid or joshua before 97% of the game before the last boss. And the game is full of that, some things that make me question how the frick that script was ready for that many years and they never saw those blatant issues.

            I also think the eikon fights while pretty are a waste of money because they could've balanced the whole game instead of throwing all their money in setpieces.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              16 feels like there were a lot issues during development, because of the points you mentioned. It's hard to imagine they thought the script was any good given what those devs were able to accomplish in FF14. It feels more like a very edited and quickly put together script. I wouldn't be surprised if all the NPCs we talk to was content that was added late in development when they realized that their game wasn't coming together very well and they needed more content to fill it up.

              At the end of the day, I don't think 16 was that bad all things considered. Putting out a AAA single-player, mainline, numbered Final Fantasy while keeping the MMO going is impressive. But my opinion of FF16 is mostly negative because of what some of the same people accomplished so much better in FF14. Especially after Shadowbringers and Endwalker, though I know there different people in charge of the writing there. It almost seems as if their heart wasn't in it when making 16.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The thing is, i dont buy this excuse because they kept saying again and again about how early that script got finished so i just go ?????
                Bro that was probably one of the ff stories and character interactions that disappointed me the most, why the frick are you bragging about how well planned this narrative was. Jill barely talks outside main cutscenes.

                But i guess the red flags were always there when every time yoship was asked about what he is really proud of ff16 he always says "production value" or "it is very expensive". He's still doing it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Naturally, as a video game developer, you're not going to mention how fricked up a development may or may not have been, unless there was some benefit to it like when they rebooted FF14 or Versus13/FF15. Metal Gear Rising's development also had a similar mea culpa. So, I also don't think they had the scripted nailed down early or if they did, they decided to change a lot along the way.

                Of course, it's always possible that it turns out they really did think it was good and it's not like the game was reviewed badly. But I think the focus was, as you mentioned, on production values. They sure seem to think that's what matters the most and to be frank, most Final Fantasy fans I've met want just that. Beautiful, top of the line graphics and cinematics. But having a compelling story is difficult to achieve that way. It costs a lot of money.

                One reason why I think FF14, and FF11 as well, have done so well with their storytelling is a lot of it is not cinematic. It is just a lot of text. Text that is easy and cheap to edit and refine up until right before launch. Where as motion capturing and voicing everything slows the process down, makes good execution more complicated and enlarges the costs.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think CBU3 legit needs a bootcamp or something similar if they want to make more narrative focused AAA games. It is clear how much they are stuck in the mmo formula, and it makes sense because that team was mostly working in mmos for the last decade.
                Also, i'm not going to talk about sales but it worries me how yoship constantly talks about the budget of 16 being very very big. Dude, imagine if it was spiderman 2 levels of budget.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think at the end of the day that it's an SE problem. If SE wants to make BIG, EXPENSIVE, CINEMATIC games, they need to either triple their budgets or go home. Being so close to Sony over the years, it's hard to imagine they didn't hear about how much some of the other AAA games cost. If FF17 is a thing, they need to make it a $500M budget game or give up on all the cinematics entirely. The problem is that Final Fantasy doesn't have much of an identity outside of production values.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FF16 was definitely a huge disaster
      One of the worst action games made by square enix

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This explain perfectly how much flat, easy, bad and shallow was the gameplay in ff16.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >One of the worst action games made by square enix
        Name 5 better actions games made by Square Enix.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nier Automata
          >Nier Replicant
          >Kingdom Hearts 2
          >Kingdom Hearts 3
          >Valkyrie Elysium
          >Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and 2
          >and more

          These games are much better action games than the ff16 movie shitshow

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Only KH2 and maybe KH3 with remind. The rest is bad bait.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              kek
              Shit taste dude

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Brother you put fricking nier and musous. Get better bait.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nier games are action games, dumbass
                And even if Heroes 1 and 2 are musou, they are also action jrpg
                Deal with it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >nier games are action games
                Shit ones. Replicant specifically.
                >musous are better
                And next you’re gonna tell me soulshit is great too, right?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Nier Automata
            Not made by SE.
            >Nier Replicant
            Not made by SE.
            >Kingdom Hearts 2
            2005 game.
            >Kingdom Hearts 3
            Only recent SE made game.
            >Valkyrie Elysium
            Not made by SE.
            >Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and 2
            Not made by SE.

  110. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how are people not tired of FF7 yet? I hate how Square wants to force themselves to be a 1 hit wonder despite having so many other great games

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >despite having so many other great games

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      people are, this shit flopped
      fricking Black person-man sold 11 mil in total recently with 5 mil at release so ''muh low PS5 user base'' is cope. people just don't care about Final gaygatory anymore

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >how are people not tired of FF7
      Because I haven't seen anything resembling FF7 in a long time.
      7r is a bizarre alternate universe where every character is an insufferable, braindead anime zombie who act like subhuman morons and resemble nothing of the original character.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >how are people not tired of FF7 yet?
      Rebirth selling less than XVI proves otherwise

  111. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rebirth is a brilliant game despite the relative low stakes compared to part 1 and part 3, part 3 with crater, Wutai, Meteor, Weapons waking up, submarine, Raid on Midgar, Hades, Bahamut ZERO, Knights of Round, Typhon(I hate the forest, I fricking hate it). I'd like it in 3 years like they said, but I think I'd prefer them to cook it for another year.

  112. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bros we were robbed of this feisty version of Tifa

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sephiroth completely destroyed her tomboy ways with the masamune

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She tanked that btw

  113. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the only people that still care are the hopeless moron diehards that can't get off Squeenix's dick for a second and think critically, Remake already let the cat out of the bag that it wasn't 1:1 and was just more Nomura autism masquerading in a FFVII skin so everyone else stopped giving a shit

  114. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The action part of it is fun, just bizarrely shallow for a ex dmc combat designer. Why clive cant have basic combo modifiers.

  115. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >game hasn't been released
    >it died
    You schizos. Seriously.

  116. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bump for Punished FF7 Rebirth: A GotY denied its sales

  117. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is every Final Fantasy fan nowadays so deranged

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its just FF7gays and the one XV schizo

  118. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People don't talk about things they like on Ganker.

  119. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are generic boring slop action games
    Trash tier action games

  120. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't wait to see Part 3 flop even harder than rebirth

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