Why do generic fantasy games outnumber sci-fi games 1000 to 1?
Why do generic fantasy games outnumber sci-fi games 1000 to 1?
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Why do generic fantasy games outnumber sci-fi games 1000 to 1?
You say that like of those sci-fi games a lot aren’t space fantasy anyways
Even the expanse levels of hard sci-fi is too much apparently
D&D
sci-fi = fantasy
No.
Yes.
agreed on some level.
high fantasy is a stock setting basically anyone can easily use scifi requires at least a bit of creativity to pull off well.
bro the most popular sci-fi series on the planet is the MCU lmao
I don't think anybody considers the MCU to be sci-fi.
Worst bait I've seen today.
There are more unique fantasy settings than sci-fi setting that exists in total. Making your elves blue aliens ain't fucking unique, dude.
You can just copy + paste elves dwarves and dragons plus medieval shit and be praised for it
Because fantasy is a returning to our Indo-European roots, embracing the beauty of the culture of old, with themes of good vs evil, human development, as well as courage and tribulation. Meanwhile sci-fi is largely a babylonian gnomish invention meant to proliferate the ideology of scientism, with themes of nihilism, promethean transhumanism, and beatific Babylonian notions of utopia; most often being communistic.
lol no it isn't, fantasy is literally a low effort parody of the works that came before. It's all Tolkien ripoffs that can't reach the same quality because it's all cynically phoned in.
Fantasy and to a large part Tolkien is based on Indo European tradition which is actually rooted in history and the powers of our ancestors, which a garden gnome like you wouldn't understand. Creating rootless, soulless, babylonian abstract realms in your dyne to be as gods and the creator of a brass and steel god is not creativity, creativity is codeword for subversion.
I want you to read some of the Ganker schizo ramblings, then read your own posts, and then I want you to get some help.
It's clear that you know what you're talking THEY KNOW WHERE YOU ARE about, but you're not on an even keel. Maybe you should get some help.
less than 0.1% of fantasy is tolkien tier. Most of it is extremely lazy and generic, copying him without any originality or creativity. Cope and seethe pablo you will never be white.
>Tolkien ripoffs
What about the numerous works of fantasy that came before Tolkien
and the ones that also came after but were only ripping off the ones that came before Tolkien
Meds. Now
>indo european roots of dragons and sentient cat people
fucking kek
Yes.
>themes of good vs evil
been a long while since fantasy was as you describe
now its all shitfarming. I'd blame Martin but he's merely riding the wave
good sci fi is harder to make while fantasy is easier to make comfy
what game?
Sci fi requires putting the player in a world they are not familiar with and most writers do not have the skill or patience to do that. Fantasy draws from millenia old myth and lore that just about everyone at least has a gut feel about. Also scifi writers sometimes get too deep in exposition about their science stuff that they forget to write a good story.
This but sci fi is demonic and most people intuitively know it is
Fantasy is even more obviously demonic, satanic even.
easier to explain contrived shit away with magic than with science you don't even understand
Because Sci Fi requires a modicum of Sci to write well and Sci is harder to write than LOL MAGIC. With LOL MAGIC you just need a bit of internal consistency and even most of those don't keep.
A lot of sci fi may as well be magic. A lot of them fail because they think the novelty of the 'science' is enough to carry a story that does not even bother to connect with people. There's a reason Star Wars (was) one of the most successful scifi stories of all time which is essentially a thousand year old epic told with lasers and spaceships.
Well yes, a bit of magic is no stranger to sci fi work, even without getting into the Clark rule that people love to quote incorrectly so much. All the same I still think there's a bit more good sci fi needs to be mindful of. And fantasy elements aside I think Star Wars worked more from taking from the Kurosawa stuff it did. It's less DnD in space and more, well exactly, Hidden Fortress with lasers.
>star wars
>sci fi
top kek retard star wars is a space drama its not scifi. its literally got its own magic system that the fans threw a shit fit when the creator tried to make more sci fi and less fantasy in the prequels.
Scifi has magic shit like psychic powers all the fucking time
the best sci-fi doesnt.
based and 3body pilled
i really hope they don't fuck up the netflix series
i want to get atleast to dark forest
Is this really good? I like sci fi but In the same time I find most "classics" really mediocre.
>"classics"
its only like 15 years old and yes, its my favorite sci fi book trilogy. keep in mind though that because it was written in chinese first and translated to english that although the translation is very good, it can come across as a little weird to an english speaker simply because of the way that chinese and english literature differ. You might not notice, you might, but honestly its just a very very good trilogy.
>dark forest chink shit
ya no that shit was trash
Sure but it's always treated, at best, like paranormal rather as a magical ability. ESP is, bizarrely, a scientific field.
Just go the warhammer route and add in actual magic and make it so no one really understands the technology and shroud it mysticism
>I will channel the seven sigils of Kurr'daman and finish the magic circle that will teleport all the light of Divinia directly on top of the demon lord, just hold them off as long as you can!
>I wield the legendary Blade of Lumissia, granted to me by the goddess of the seven rivers, when I call upon her might in times of need, the blade of light is capable of cleaving mountains in twain.
vs
>Activate the Jubbul Core, push the Regal Dust concentration to 120% and prepare for emergency vector compression. Order all crew to move to the central sphere so that we can jettison ancillary ship components and get out of here before the Zaxxon fleet depletes our rear shields.
>My phase blaster has been modified to emit a compressed burst of energy inside of a hypermagnetic loop for approximately zero-point-three seconds, maximizing the potency so that it can sear right through Zax compound armor - all of the armor worn by lifeforms on this underdeveloped planet will get vaporized in an instant. The universal translator has picked up whispers from some of the locals, believing I have the "Blade of Luminance" or something.
Just make words up in either case. Sci-fi gets a lot LESS flak when its stuff doesn't make sense (especially if you use made-up particles and wavelengths and matter that operate on whatever laws you want it to, vaguely refer to actual physics and natural laws to feign credibility without directly invoking them and you're all good) compared to a fantasy setting where people will shit on it for not having strict rules for its magic.
>sci-fi is actually harder to write
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I'm down with the idea of a "PC98" style game, but honestly, PC98 is basically synonymous with nudity and all the girls in the trailer had their shirts buttoned up to their collar, even.
It's not looking promising for me.
The only thing you have if you don't have nudity is the game being fun, and to be honest, I'm not sure they can manage such a thing.
>PC98 is basically synonymous with nudity
It is? I guess I must be playing the wrong PC-98 touhous
bullet hells are garbage anyway
>Touhou is the only thing on the pc98
I hate people like you
because cold and dark feels bad and sun and grass feel good. dark is nice but once in a while, all the metal gets jarring after a while. ultimately we all want a sunny home with trees, grass and birds
>sci fi is synonymous with dark
>fantasy is synonymous with light
holy shit you are literally retarded
Why? scifi is often cold, dark and metallic, with artificial lights and cold colors, while fantasy usually has its fair share of more relatable stuff, like rocks, water, green grass and blue skies, trees etc. it just feels good. playing horror games or dark games is jarring is you do it too much while games like mario sunshine are a joy because the water sun etc are positive things that we are drawn to.
who the fucks wants to live in a concrete house full of plastic black and white ikea furniture with metal everywhere, in a communist block with a forever dark sky or whatever? the sunny house with grass, trees etc is the feel good place, thats familiar and good for human life so we are more drawn to that. you could say you can have dark fantasy settings and lighter scifi but at the end of the day one has more natural settings and the other has cold mettalic settings with artificial lights, all things that dont feel very good for us people
>Why? scifi is often cold, dark and metallic
>i am underage: the post
shut the fuck up retard im older and smarter than you ll ever be
come back when your balls drop kid. adults dont start seething when people call them out for being underage
was that line from the xbox thread a day ago?
how underage are you that this is the first time you have ever heard that saying?
sorry too much of a coincidence for me. honestly havent heard anyone say that in like ten years, then yesterday i read it and almost verbatim. Balls on my mind i guess... but ther you have it
Holy shit I'm in that screenshot.
No one gave me (you)s though.
you think you re smart and funny for trollign and baiting people but truth is there is nothing about it. you are a lonely, lonely lsad person and you should do some more philosophy to quit being retarded
why are you samefagging? holy shit dude just stop posting its getting really sad now.
what
>he's never read sci-fi that describes exploring beautiful green worlds full of exotic life
Sad.
>rocks, water, green grass and blue skies, trees
>the sunny house with grass, trees etc
Anon, these are in sci-fi.
and there are some nice people in high security prisons, but most of the time we know thats not the case. most often technology, plastic, metal and artificial lights are quite present, as well as space (cold+dark and not welcoming to life), technology that is destructive etc. white clean scifi styles are pretty fresh energetic and dope overall but you still have these modern cold materials. these things dont feel as much home as much as usual old stuff
Why isn't there a fantasy meets sci-fi story about a group of adventurers who build a spaceship made out of dwarven metals and powered by magic? It would be kino seeing them go through sci-fi tropes.
40k
Not gonna lie 40k always seemed gay as fuck to me, but maybe that's just the fans. Plus it doesn't seem like standard fantasy.
anything can be gay and not gay depending on the execution, but some well executed shit has been made and shown how much potential this setting has
Why are there no sword and sorcery games. There's like conan exiles and that's it. Since DnD got ruined by trannies I think the last bastion is S&S. It has men that act like men, naked babes and it's usually more grounded and gory.
Writing sci fi requires looking at the future. The future today is so bleak no one wants to look at it. This is also why isekai is so popular, shit is so fucked the only way to fix it is to fucking die and start over in a different world.
It's an actual fucking mystery to me.
I think it may have something to do with good science fiction writer (or any other kind of creator) having to be at least somewhat competent in fields related to shit he writes about. Most of prominent ones I recall were related to engineering/math/astronomy/etc. You don't need anything like that to write fantasy.
But this definitely isn't the only reason.
it's so easy for anyone to pick holes in bad sci fi
with fantasy, it's magic
Sci Fi requires more creativity. Aliens are harder to come up with than just doing a copy paste tolkein setting.
You can rip off Tolien wholesale because even he was, by his own admission, pulling from a bunch of mythological sources. So you got elves and dwarves and it's whatever. Sci Fi is too new so everyone knows when you're ripping off Klingons or Vulcans and the like.
>Aliens are harder to come up
Humanlike aliens are completely legitimate, argument for that is evolution, which solves problem of sentient life emergence through ungodly amount of bruteforcing, being bound to come to similar results in different places, because it is constrained by same laws of physics, chemistry and common sense. It is more likely that writers like Lem trying to imagine as outlandish and incomprehensible alien life as possible were overthinking.
>Humanlike aliens are completely legitimate
NTA mostly in an evolutionary sense yes, but culturally they'd be so much more different and I doubt any sci-fi setting will ever nail that. 99% of our culture has been made through historic adaptation of our mannerisms to our environment. If berries were more abundant on earth, we could have evolved to be much more herbivorous. If shit would have been more dire at some point, we could all be cannibals (well, and if Kuru wasn't a thing).
Aliens being humanlike in the sense that they have sophisticated communication, limbs capable of fine manipulation or them not really excelling in anything and instead being able to do everything well a little makes sense, but they wouldn't even have to be bipedal or have a neck like we do.
2 hands 2 legs is the perfect amount most likely cause you want less brain for limb control and more for thinking.
Humanlike aliens are the most realistic form aliens can have because the only intelligent life we know of is humans and the only place with life is Earth.
I remember biology research about different plants in similar environments but having nothing to do with each other evolving in the same way (they look the same and function) because there are only so many viable options that let you survive and thrive in such environment.
May as well read it, haven't read any good scifi after 2001 Space Odysey (which was long ago).
Sci-FI never had their own Dungeons & Dragons levels of skyrocketing popularity, at best they had Cyberpunk.
I'm not sure if Star Wars can be considered proper sci fi with amount of magical shit in it, but it proves that space/far future setting would be popular enough if it is catchy to normalfags. As of more sophisticated things, they won't be popular among normalfags regardless of genre.
>As of more sophisticated things, they won't be popular among normalfags regardless of genre.
That's what Gygax thought when creating Dungeons and Dragons but look where we are now. Nobody can create outside of looking into being influenced by it.
Other answer : its OK to cvpaste Tolkien, but not ok to cvpaste Star Wars.
It's also not ok to cvpaste Star Trek like literally everything else that involves romance with aliens.
and there it is, off to the trash pile
there's no way you can write a good murder mystery or whatever if this is the sort of nonsense you care about
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More people like fantasy than sci-fi
It's the sad truth
Fantasy has old things and magic, both either simple as fuck or doesn't have to be explained
Sci-fi is much better then it explores scientific concepts and puts a fictional spin on them. That's already too much to the average normie
So to sum it up, it's easy to make a shitty fantasy romcom or whatever normies watch, but the same is harder in sci-fi
I don't think fantasy is all that super popular either frankly.
Not until recently, around ~10 years ago, solidified by Game of Thrones. My mom is an ultra normie and she loves shows like Vikings and such now after watching GoT, but they're all just boring as shit romance movies with a fantasy backdrop
Tolkien and DnD popularity
Again, I promise you you'll find more people who know who Bones is than Boromir is and most will be shocked to know that DnD even has an established set of lores.
>Bones
who?
Every nerd played fantasy pnp games and read fantasy (at least that was so 10 years go), every normie watched LoTR and of course HP.
And LoTR is second only to Starwars if you talk scifi.
>who?
Don't be retarded on purpose.
>Every nerd
And every person on the goddamn planet from your mom to some shit hole third world country knows IM A DOCTOR NOT A ____ or HE'S DEAD JIM.
Sci-fi is dying because it's almost always based on the idea that we will one day progress into escaping our atmosphere and colonize space. It is pretty clear at this point that we, at least for this civilizational cycle, have chosen a very different path and will never achieve anything so great again. Dreaming of the stars is ridiculous when we can't even keep our streets clean, why frustrate ourselves with unattainable goals. Maybe our great-great-great-great-great grandchildren will go to space thanks to learning from our mistakes, but another dark age will pass first.
Our souls are weighed down by gravity
Motherfucker, shit takes time. 2000 years ago we barely reached or settled in most of the planet at all, now we're literally killing it. 2000 years before that and we didn't even know IRON existed yet.
If we're still alive 2000 years from current year, we'll be zooming through space like we're now taking a plane to another continent.
Never forget that if you showed a medieval guy your smartphone, his mind could literally not comprehend what the fuck is going on. What makes you (or anyone) believe that we already know we won't make it much further? 500 years from now we'll have shit we consider witchcraft now.
We managed to go from the Wright Brothers plane to the goddamn moon in under a hundred years. We adapt fast once we got the basics down.
Then we still lack some crucial basics
It's a matter of what the elite want and political willpower. The moral and spiritual character of our current elite is absolutely dire. If they decided to spend their trillions on the dream of final frontier, instead of weakening the masses through social conditioning, we would already have colonies on Mars. We haven't been to the moon again despite our technology because there is no immediate material gain from it, and hedonism/money is the only value of modernity. Another great civilization will take to the stars, but not ours, because we gave up on greatness.
Doubtful, considering how hard and fast we are going backwards. We will probably be in mud huts 100 years from now.
Literally not an argument, every generation has been saying the same shit yet actual statistics and numbers show we lower crime hard, we eliminate poverty across the board, we build higher and better than ever and that's just the beginning. You're just fearmongering for nothing.
Actual stats show poverty increasing exponentially, crime sky rocketing, and general quality of life taking a nose dive off the cliff. What sort of lala fantasy land did you walk out of? Literally nothing you just said is correct.
I will not argue with you about established fact. Use fucking google, unless you mean literally ONLY in the last 5 years, life's getting better on average for everyone. That is a fact, that is indisputable.
Of course it fluctuates year by year or even decade by decade, ~1940 obviously had some hard hits, but IN THE LONG RUN shit only gets better
You aren't gonna argue because you can't. Life has only gotten worse for the past 100 years and is only accelerating.
I'm not arguing because it would be too easy. I only need 10 seconds of googling to get this info but there's so many sources that someone speaking against it is utterly deranged. Again, I'll never argue established fact, boomer.
>zoomer is too young to realize how bad things have gotten
Every time.
>boomer unironically "back in my day"s like his grandfather and the grandfather before him, thinking he's onto some revolutionary shit here
>zoomer has never been able to play outside without worrying about organ cartels and rape gangs
>zoomer will never own a house
>zoomer will never own his car
>zoomer can't fix the things he rents from corpos(because owning things is ungood think you see)
>zoomer will never live in a high trust society
>zoomer will never experience internet before social media
>zoomer will never experience knowing who he works for personally
>zoomer will never know where his food comes from
>zoomer will never breath clean air
>zoomer will never drink chemical free water
>zoomer will never buy things designed to last
>zoomer will never see marriages that don't end in divorce
>zoomer will never see tech progress
>zoomer will never work for a meaningful wage doing something of actual value
>b-but it's all right because he can borrow the latest spyphone from the cellphone company
The absolute state of zoomers.
TLDR
It was bad bait from the start and it's only gotten worse, try harder
>zoomer gets scared by reading
lol, lmao
Post I don't like? Bait.
What the fuck are you people even arguing about?
About deculture of course.
It would take me 10 seconds in google to prove you wrong with undoubtable fact but I'm going to call you a boomer instead.
Duh, imagine arguing established fact, fucking loser mindset lol
Truly a dead on arrival generation. Corporate products doomed to fall into a "future" where all of their physical comforts, literally the only thing they have, will be taken away.
fun fact, a lot of that is the boomers' fault
>ruin the world
>"man, I can't believe my children live in a ruined world"
Actual boomers yes, not the "anyone older than their late 20s" the zoomers think it means.
Millennials are even more responsible. The only "innocent" ones that simply live in the fucked world the others made is basically everyone born after 1990-ish
Millennials like gen X before them have basically no influence. Neither will zoomers for that matter. The gen after will be the first gen since boomers to actually have any chance of changing shit.
It would take me 10 seconds in google to prove you wrong with undoubtable fact but I'm going to call you a boomer instead.
Considering we're rapidly importing people who STILL live in mud huts while dying off yourselves, yeah.
If I had to ask you, what ethnic group(s) would you say can further the field of space exploration? North Europeans? Russians? Japanese? Chinese?
Noone. The population pressure to get off planet is not there anymore for anyone and the finance industry have sucked up all the smart people in all industrialized societies. Unless they find the secret to immortality in space somewhere we won't be doing much except for as stunts or propaganda.
This area (the part being destroyed the most, coincidentally). Maybe if China/Japan could pick up the best minds from this area before they go extinct, they could do it. Brown people literally cannot exist in space, because a low trust society is a doomed one. One chimpout takes out your life support and everyone dies. You need the kind of stock of people where you could leave a kiosk out in the open, with no clerk or guard, and people would obey an honor system to purchase goods without anyone stealing money from the basket.
>Europe leading space exploration
You've never lived in Europe huh? Most useless comfort seeking navel gazing culture on the planet. Whatever drive they had back in the 19th century is well and truly gone and they will disappear into obscurity soon enough.
Yes, civilizations rise and fall. Hence why I'm saying that another dark age needs to pass first. When the next great men are born, they will have a technological headstart. The next "rennaisance" or "age of discovery" period may be when they go to space. They will have the technology, but a much stronger mindset than liberalism and nihilism.
>Want to make Sci-fi game
>Know it'd be better to make a Fantasy game since that could actually sell
I just want to make space adventures and have people play them
Generic fantasy does seem a diamond dozen yeah
Environment issue/political conflict/public health problem(Covid) takes public attention while sci-fi is less interesting.
>Sci fi nerds talking about evolution likes it's a real thing, not self aware enough to notice how ridiculous the shit they say sounds
And this is why sci fi which is really just nihilist scientism fantasy will always fall behind rooted Indo-European fantasy
>Story that requires immersion vs a tool used for visual aid
Fantasy is easier, ScFi you have to be creative. High Fantasy is an amazing peak when done well
because scifi fans are mega nerds and super picky about everything, complain nonstop if its not up to their standards
fantasy is watered down for normies
who would you pander to?
I'd sooner fantasy fags, especially these days, where far more picky. Instead we get dozens of garbage isekai that are all the same
Fantasy = warm.
Sci-fi = cold.
>visual novel / graphic adventure.
no thanks
Because people have no hope for the future. A sci-fi future is a further stretch on the suspension of disbelief than magic and dragons.