why do people get upset if you try to do a magitech setting ala final fantasy?

why do people get upset if you try to do a magitech setting ala final fantasy? or just like not even a mudcore type medevil shit. like why does /tg/ get upset over pic related aethestics for a setting?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Autism probably

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you make a sweeping, baseless assertion instead of trying to communicate like a normal person?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're right OP, we should give it a chance. What system do you use to run your current Final Fantasy styled campaign?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pathfinder 2e if you want something like DnD and don't want to stray to far off from that path, Hero System 5e or 6e if you want to build everything from the ground up.

      wasn't there a JRPG ttrpg or something that just came out? Fabuloso or some shit that would probably be a good fit since it's specifically trying to make the system around old school jrpgs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >t. has never read sword world

        does nobody check the share thread?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Think about how many people seed torrents and ask yourself that question again.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            seeding for others is woke bullshit anyways.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shadow of the Demon Lord, get the Godless supplement, make every character a Spellguard gish with the Battle magic domain and boom, anime battles abound. Bonus points for using the Gunblader homebrew.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FFXIV TTRPG, duh

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People don't get upset about magitech, it's more the fact that final basedtasy is a horribly designed clusterfrick without any coherent theme. Even ancient greeks had analog computers and you could combine magic and clockwork gears in a medieval setting without detracting too much from the atmosphere so long as it's more in the vein of dark souls/bloodborne/elden ring and not underage adhd shit with emo hairstyles, outsized weapons and clothing from 10 different eras.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When the fantastic is everywhere it becomes mundane, magic is much more interesting when it's rare and mysterious than when it's a ubiquitous aspect of everyday life.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >magic is much more interesting when it's rare and mysterious than when it's a ubiquitous aspect of everyday life

      Hard disagree. Going off of OPs example, with the exception of one specific group of people in FF14s world (the Garleans can't use magic at all, they simply lack the ability) *everyone* can do magic, though not everyone can do it well. It is like singing: anyone can 'sing' Happy Birthday, but there is a world of difference between a normal person and an opera singer. The former is some guy, the latter is a wizard.
      This actually gets explored in the story and the world, the consequences and effects of everyone being able to channel aether as a basic skill. We get to see all of the little ways that aether has permeated people's lives, and the ability to channel it is utilized in even the most mundane of tasks. For them, channeling fire-aspected aether to regulate the heat in your oven or make sure your pan heats evenly isn't even a spell, thats just how COOKING works. It creates a world fundamentally different from out own not just in rare fantastical details on the margins of something pretending to otherwise be pseudohistorical, but a world where the fantastical is woven into basically everything they do. And thats fascinating. Its not just iteration #200 of someone poorly remembering folklore they've never read beyond a wikipedia page and going "WoooOOOOooo, something happened and I'm not going to tell you how or why! WooooOOOOooo don't you feel a sense of woooondeeeer?"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is nothing requiring magitech to be mundane or common. You can add magitech to almost any setting and it can remain special, powerful and rare.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sounds woke

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For fricks sake, you couldn't even come up with something REMOTELY relevant to bump from page 10 with.
          Why are you like this?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I get paid for it. Easy beer money

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        True but OP said "magitech setting ala final fantasy (14)" where it is everywhere.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why do people get upset if you try to do a magitech setting
    because they usually do it badly and strip the main appeals of magic and high tech at the same time by boiling all magic down to "shiney glimmering technology" and doesn't do anything for the tech aspect.
    It's usually done by gm's and authors that really want a thing in their setting that shouldn't be there and it shows.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's usually done by gm's and authors that really want a thing in their setting that shouldn't be there and it shows.

      yupp that's me. I'm not a big fan of typical medevil fantasy and perfer modernish fantady to science fantasy ala starwars or star finder. Magitech is the compromise we have between GM and Players on my table. been working pretty well so far.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why do people get upset if you try to do a magitech setting ala final fantasy
    Give one example of this happening.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why do people get upset if you try to do a magitech setting ala final fantasy?
    What metric is this claim based upon?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get upset at it, but I definitely don't like it and will tell you that I don't like it.

    And its because most of these magitech settings just end up as kinda lukewarm kitchen sinks with a bit of everything, without any real feel of coherency or uniting tone and aesthetics. Final Fantasy, especially 14, is particularly bad for this, since it doesn't even attempt to justify why a giant mecha with guns is being fought by a twink with a sword like its an even matchup.

    I freely admit that its possible to do this in a way that feels and looks good. Guild Wars 2 is close even. But most are just kinda bland or look like visual diarrhea, like your image.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why does /tg/ get upset
    I do?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is every thread on this fricking board either a general or a bait question about an old, boring topic?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /tg/ has become old and bitter. The wellspring has dried up. Creative discussion is no longer encouraged here, anyone who tries just gets dogpiled by shitposters who make a game out of killing threads for lack of anything else to do. We no longer have drawgays, we no longer have writegays, we no longer have quests or any other kind of collaborate creative effort. /tg/ hasn't made a new meme in almost a decade, all of our material is left behind from better days than these. /tg/ doesn't even play games anymore for the most part. It is an online retirement home for people who USED to play games, who USED to have that creative spark before it died. For people who want to pretend that this place can still be what it was in 2009. That they can still be who they were in 2009. For people who don't know where else to go.

      There is only enough game discussion left to sustain some generals, and the rest of the threads are bait because shallow and pointless arguments are the closest thing we have left to conversation.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This. I'm not really sure where else to discuss tabletop, but its clearly not here

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          unironically reddit.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've considered reddit but they seem to have a host of their own problems that stifle discussion. Are there boards or subreddits or whatever you'd recommend?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              r/rpg if you want to talk about the general hobby and maybe shit on dnd a little. Most games have dedicated subreddits but unless it's Warhammer, Pathfinder or DnD you might not have a whole lot of community but usually each community has dedicated players willing to discuss, criticize and create

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            r/rpg if you want to talk about the general hobby and maybe shit on dnd a little. Most games have dedicated subreddits but unless it's Warhammer, Pathfinder or DnD you might not have a whole lot of community but usually each community has dedicated players willing to discuss, criticize and create

            https://old.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/1cnc7vw/remember_session_zero_only_works_if_you_actually/
            I'd rather avoid the freaks who think players need to tell everyone their "lines and veils" at the beginning of the game.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >lines and veils
              What does this even mean?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its basically people setting boundaries for the game. Most people won't have any lines of veils to declare, but the distinction is that a Line is something that you refuse to tolerate and you don't want to even exist in the game world at all, even offscreen. While a veil is something that you just don't want to deal with and it can exist in the world so long as you never have to deal with it.

                The classic example is someone very afraid of spiders. A Line would be 'spiders literally don't exist in this world. there are no spiders, and that means no cobwebs in old houses and shit either because that would require spiders to make them'. While a Veil is 'spiders exist, but I just don't want to deal with them. You can have cobwebs and shit, I just need you to not throw swarms of spiders or giant spiders or have a spider drop in my hair or anything like that.'

                Most people think of lines and veils in terms of things that 'trigger' them with phobias or traumas or shit, but in online play I honestly think it does more good to filter out fetish shit. While I'm not crazy about the way it is formalized, I'll absolutely take the opportunity to tell a GM that I'm not interested in their transformation fetish shit or whatever.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By their own terminology, very very few things should be lines and most of the things that would be veils are really not even severe enough to be mentioned, let alone requiring an elaborate consent form that dictates what topics are allowed to even be mentioned in the presence of those players. Someone who gets unreasonably worked up and overstressed from the mere mention of imaginary spiders needs medication and therapy, not additional paperwork for their elf game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree. Much like the x-card, lines and veils are something that should never need to be used because needing to fall back on official rules for this shit indicates a fundamental failure of trust and communication with the group. The difference is that I can at least understand the use something like an X-card might have in something like convention play, where you have total randos and its a way for a player to signal that someone is crossing the line and making them uncomfortable. But I don't think that Lines/Veils can possible fill the same role, because they are GM restrictive rather than a request to skip whatever bullshits going on in the moment. If I have an adventure prepared for a con about fighting a spider cult of Lolth, I really don't have the option of reworking the entire adventure on the fly to remove references to spiders because someone said Spiders were a Line for them. Thats not a matter of being insensitive, thats just the reality of the constraints of time on this mortal plane.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've played dozens of convention games and only ever had to X-card used once by the GM who needed us to stop so he could catch his breath from laughing. Safety tools make sense on paper to people without social skills. The vast majority of people will know to be on their best behavior, act politely, and take the feelings of others into considerations. The people who don't will not be restrained by any cards or contracts, and if and when they decide to overdo things, invoking some attempt at crass humor, you can't unshit that bed with safety tools. You can only ask them to leave.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem is that bad moderation and what may as well be bot posts have tamped out all creativity and fun on this board and fostered a culture of low-effort shitpost. You're more likely to catch a ban for following the natural flow of conversation because it's off-topic, meanwhile the 50th "tell me about barefoot tieflings in your setting" thread of the week will be up for days.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Quests were always just a way for attention prostitutes to get (you)s so whining about them being gone devalues the rest of your post.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The point stands that even if we wanted to bring back quests now, modern /tg/ wouldn't be able to make them work. The level of effort and community needed to sustain something like a quest just doesn't exist here anymore.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why do people get upset if you try to do a magitech setting ala final fantasy?
    [Citation needed]
    Oh who am I kidding, this is just another bumpgay thread

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who gives a shit? If you like it and your table likes it, what the frick do you care about the opinion of some manchild who thinks you're having fun wrong. And to be clear, I don't like magitech, I think its dumb and shit 90% of the time for a variety of reasons stated elsewhere in this thread. But who gives a shit?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      people on this board will literally doxx you for playing games and settings they don't like

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I unironically like the mix of modern aesthetics with the fantasy elements of final fantasy. I don't care what anyone says, wearing a tie and suit while sword fighting and shooting and throwing magic is peak.

    That said FF15 ->FF8->FF12->FF7 in that order as far as the aesthetics of its technology.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Funny, I prefer the „wearing knights plate while taking the subway to your monster slaying gig „
      It makes me think of a world like our own time, only more cool

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is no reason both things can't exist. With shit like Solo Leveling being the new hotness and the isekai fantasy world coming to our doorstep (as opposed to being sent to the fantasy world) you'd image if some dungeon can open up on the subway then a dude walking around in armor while hearing the muffled music he's listening to under his helmet would be a common sight.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      could not agree more

      I wish Agni's Philosophy hadn't devolved into forspoken because the aesthetic of brave mujahadeen warriors fighting (evil?) wizards through cliffside favelas is absolute kino

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ala final fantasy
    You just answered your own question.
    It's associated with secondaries who are more into fanfic and cosplay than traditional tabletop.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we don't want to admit that the world should be better than it is now

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frankly quests would kill the bumpgay stone-dead, his heart would explode trying to keep up with the pace of honest discussion. I long to see that happen, he would flat-out dir.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People will say stuff about it making magic boring or some such, but that's borderline an aesthetic issue if you ask me. I think the real problem is that the worldbuilding in these settings generally don't hold up to the autistic scrutiny of your average grognard. In fairness to the setting, most worldbuilding in general doesn't hold up to sufficiently autistic scrutiny (e.g. few writers fully consider the economic ramifications of the potato). And in fairness to the grognards, it's just the nature of a TTRPG that you generally have to engage with the setting a fair amount, so you're kinda invited to autistically scrutinize it.
    All that to say, what works in a vidya, movie, or novel doesn't always work in tabletop without some harsher handwaving.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because I joined a forgotten realms campaign and then the homosexual GM decided it had a final fantasy aesthetic and all the gods are dead

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, good. They deserved it. The forgotten realms gods all are rat bastards.
      Wait, does said setting use magitech because with the gods dead there is no Weave so normal magic stopped working? Thats kinda interesting if so.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No magic and all that stuff works, clerics still work too. The gods are just dead or missing or something

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why do people get upset

    what ''people'', op?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who do you mean by "people"? I wouldn't get upset. I would be far more upset by mudcore, actually. Am I not a person?

      Trannies and Leftists are people too you know

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So you're just jumping at shadows of your own making.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm telling you that it doesn't matter if people are on the opposite political spectrum as you it doesn't not make them people.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Obviously. But you also had no reason to inject mention of trannies and leftists into the conversation at all in the first place. No one was talking about them before you decided to put words in peoples mouth and claim that they were the cause of everyones woes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              they are though but that doesn't mean we treat them as monsters. They need to be educated and not told to push thier bad ideals.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who do you mean by "people"? I wouldn't get upset. I would be far more upset by mudcore, actually. Am I not a person?

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Magitech is often presented as
    >real world thing but with magic
    Instead of thinking through the implications of how magic as engineering would impact a world, most writers and DMs just graft something real(ish) into the world.
    Thought examples -
    >how do gnome airships effect international travel and trade
    >what effects does mass magic use have on population and environment
    >what is magical pollution
    >what social disparities are created with this magitech

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have you tried making one and not giving a frick? My players are enjoying a magitech fantasy game where there are not!allagans down to trapping gods in machines to use as batteries. They also have one of said gods(waifu) in their heads. Collective schizophrenia is fine as long as she calls you stud muffin.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They also have one of said gods(waifu) in their heads. Collective schizophrenia is fine as long as she calls you stud muffin.

      Get a whole pantheon going on in there.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this art looks woke as frick. what happened to art man.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Based DRK bro.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You know it

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one has ever been upset about which settings I choose for my games.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if you play with people on /tg/ chances are someone's going to get autistically upset

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don’t lump me in with people like that. I love magitech!

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the magic seems like a thing just tacked onto the world. It may have huge plot significance but despite it being "magitech" the magic doesn't seem to have strongly influenced how the technology works. It's just "modern thing a jap knows but glowing".

    Rifles aren't powered by telekinetic spells. Flamethrowers aren't powered by elemental fire. Shit isn't covered in gilt or scrollwork if rare metals or script is the basis of applying magic to items. Let's say you have a moronic buster sword, how does that work in japland media "dude who swings it is magic" while you could instead attach spells which cancel mass and momentum. Say these spells work by script and when parts of the sword align they activate or deactivate. Thus giving a reason for weird mechanical swords and even game mechanics based around timing for strikes and parries. Essentially you swing thing with canceled mass and momentum and then suddenly apply 10x normal as you bring it down on a wienerwork robutt monster based on the same sort of technology justifying the use or a melee weapon and the enemy you are fighting in the first place.

    TLDR jap media is more about escapism than worldbuilding for the most part, the few exceptions are well liked by western nerds for that very reason. But most japs are overworked betas who just want to chill and look at waifu ass.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some people are obsessed with keeping fantasy and scifi separate which is a shame since I love science fantasy settings that have space travel.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Electricity is an awful example. I applaud him for sticking to the bit and trying to make the analogy work, but it really doesn't hold up to scrutiny. The amount of infrastructure and machinery and wiring that goes into making electricity work makes perfect sense, even when described in general terms.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Considering that Libertarianism still exists, we can safely assume that a lot of people don't understand that milk doesn't come in bags, water doesn't come from pipes you buy at Home Depot or that the Internet... no, scratch that, they do understand that they need to praise Elon Musk so that he may dot the sky with Internet boxes forevermore.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get upset but by far and away every setting I play with magitec just lacks something to make the world coherent.

    like legit steampunk games tend to float in that Victorian era / mentality and work with that vibe, retro future settings work because somehow VHS tapes.on spaceships has its own kind of charm.

    But magitec never seems to mesh. Put in a fantasy setting you end up deviating too away from the theme of adventure and feudalism, as access to the equivalent of predator drones and battle mechs makes you question how dungeons and monsters would be a problem. Get too close to modern day or future tech and magitec is redundant because of just basic technology.

    FF exists as an exception to the rule largely because the setting revolves around the main party and you're more an observer of the characters in the setting rather than having a more direct impact like TTRPGs give the player.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Feudalism isn't a requirement for fantasy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Treating magic as a form of engineering helps bring the narrative together.
      >skytowers are grown using magic materials
      >that Gnomish airship uses magic to generate lift gas from water
      >arcane weapons generate particle beams from the wielder's mana

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