it's clearly a moba of some sort. The dwarf guy is a fed enemy player and the other two guys are on the wizard's team, and he's just been dying nonstop with his dumb build. Hence why the dwarf is 3x the level of the other two guys.
>use weapon because its powerful and fun to use >Gankeredditors seethe because im not starting naked only using the club for the entire game without leveling up and using the walls of my asshole instead of hands to control the game
Sorry bro, unless you started as wretch and only used your club with no leveling of the weapon and stats, also blindfolded, and a rod shoved up yourself and all of your fingers chopped off..
Believe it or not but some people get way more enjoyment out of meme builds when they work then they do actually winning the game. 90% of meta players don't amount to shit in their game of choice so it doesn't matter in the end.
>game has build variety >try to utilize build variety >get told that you must build one specific way until the next patch where autists will find the next minmaxed build
Sounds terrible
The meta is usually one or two months out of date and metafags don't actually consider the people playing with them to be the game's community, so nobody gives a shit about them other than the devs trying to boost engagement.
This wouldn't be a problem with community-hosted dedicated servers of course, this is only a problem with matchmaking shit.
cause you naggers ruined battlefield 1, I wanna play a game where I use bolt actions and semi auto rifles in ww1, and you fucks are running around with smgs and fully auto lmgs
Are you really gonna blame the playerbase for using guns that are easier to use and overall more effective? DICE is the one who decided 32 round SMGs were standard issue in 1915.
cause you naggers ruined battlefield 1, I wanna play a game where I use bolt actions and semi auto rifles in ww1, and you fucks are running around with smgs and fully auto lmgs
honestly I would love a ww1 game with mostly bolt actions. I remember liking the rifle class in old cod where you got kar98k without a scope but in that game it was actually somewhat balanced against the thompson and mp40 (bar was still busted). but yeah as anon when they fill up the game with modernesque firepower you can't expect average players online in matchmade 60 player matches to handicap themselves on purpose
you would need drastic balance changes for it to work, but someone should try. how about bolt action rifles one-hit on upper half of torso as well. or what if the smg has a small mag and absolutely needs to reload to kill on full hp
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honestly I would love a ww1 game with mostly bolt actions. I remember liking the rifle class in old cod where you got kar98k without a scope but in that game it was actually somewhat balanced against the thompson and mp40 (bar was still busted). but yeah as anon when they fill up the game with modernesque firepower you can't expect average players online in matchmade 60 player matches to handicap themselves on purpose
not directly related but I hate how fucking incompetent game devs are at making bolt actions play well
especially when they make reloading take several fucking infuriatingly long seconds
I shoot a fair bit but not too fond of bolt actions and even I've managed to nail 5 shots in 4 seconds in a torso sized target at 100m with a ww2 era rifle
this is a far better level of performance than in ANY ww1/2 game I have ever played and I'm just some fucking guy
because more often than not i find a build BETTER than the meta, fuck metafags. especially since my shit gets nerfed into the ground once metanaggers get a hold of it
>Use loadout I enjoy >metafag says fuck you that's not meta >continue to use it >3 months later >my loadout is now considered meta >anti meta fag says fuck you meta fag >continue using loadout >3 months after that it's not considered >meta anymore >still use it
happens more often than you'd think
Reddit typically decides the meta for the plebs, and reddit is retarded, so it's often not hard to come up with something way better than whatever the top rated comment is on a game's subreddit. In my experience it's usually a bunch of theorycrafting and number crunching that doesn't really hold up in actual play.
>Use loadout I enjoy >metafag says fuck you that's not meta >continue to use it >3 months later >my loadout is now considered meta >anti meta fag says fuck you meta fag >continue using loadout >3 months after that it's not considered >meta anymore >still use it
happens more often than you'd think
because the meta is usually an all purpose build and I don't want an all purpose build, I want a glass cannon or a stealthy build or a trapper and I will build them myself like god intended
Because it's just a cope to mask someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Saying you're playing 'off meta' sounds better than saying 'I have no idea how to play this game'.
People should stop using the word 'meta' and just calling it 'strategies that work'. By all means move the A2 pawn turn 1 if you want, but it will never, EVER not be retarded.
Usually it's best to just do what works or what the pros do. The problem arises when the masses fail to understand why the pros do what they do, yet dogmatically adhere to the "meta" and attack those who stray outside of it. You see this from a lot of redditfags especially with regard to mmorpgs. With that said most multiplayer games do have "wrong" ways to play and I'd rather have metaslaves on my team than "you don't pay my sub" fags.
I played a Sword and Board Holy-spec'd Paladin in WoW at launch all the way to 60, surprisingly I never got any reaction out of it other than people being shocked that I could pull with a ranged attack.
i quit playing overwatch because i wasn't allowed to pick torbjorn every game
didn't matter that i consistently topfragged or used unique ways to contribute to my team, the metafags banned maining a character outside of niche use. ranked laddering in a multiplayer game was a mistake, honestly. if you want to compfag you should just go compfag with a team of other compfags and let people play the game normally.
Nah you fucking sucked, actual good one tricks were the rarest players to find in that game and even the best could get their shit pushed in by some comps, even rarer was the good one trick that could and would be willing to swap in that scenario. Don't go to places you don't belong and cry like a little homosexual when the rest of your team hated you but >DURHRURRRRR IJUST WANNA INOT FUN
This picture is dishonest (wow people dishonest on Ganker of all places?).
No one complains you can't do strength build as a fucking wizard of all things.
What really happens is a few strategies are obviously far far far better than anything the game has to offer.
Name 1 (one) diverse and well balanced game.
Honest question
Anyone here ever DEX wizard/warlock before? Thinking of a kind of street magician/thief wizard who uses sleight of hand and all that jazz to get out of roguish conflicts, but then surprise surprise, when his back is against the wall he just drops magic assfuckery on everybody.
Never was big on the whole hobby though so I don't know the difference between wizard, sorcerer, and warlocks.
DEX wizard was one of the viable builds in Ragnarok because DEX controlled your cast speed while INT was damage. (Total cast time reduction = dex/150, soft cap of 99 placable stats not including gear)
Cast bars were also like 10 seconds long sometimes.
>you're a strength character use a strength weapon >noooo not THAT one >noooo not THAT one either >or that one >or that one >or that one >or any of the other dozen strength weapons >use this one because it's the best
fun
>Only play the meta >Miss out on 90% of the game's content
That's why. Never understood people who play only 3 characters out of an 80 character roster of a fighting game
Me neither but that's rarely the case nowadays because there are a lot of character loyalists in fightan.
I guess it really depends how big the stakes are.
a person i knew that tried to be incredibly efficient and get incredibly powerful as quickly as possible in every single game he played and he was completely miserable in real life so i assume all meta players are like that
why does every game need to be competitive all the time? why is everyone such a tryhard all the time? (matchmaking btw)
also: why are there even options left in the game that aren't viable? because a game with only 3 characters and 4 guns would look worse then one with way more useless fluff?
will there ever be an end to these "i'm good you're bad" "look how ugly i've drawn you" types of memes? it's not just they're getting stale, they are getting more and more ugly, it's getting annoying. or is it too casual now for anything new and interesting to come up, will the same frogs and basedjacks and virgin v chad memes and all that still be posted another decade down the line?
Most games are so badly balanced that the meta is always just the exact same strategies, which makes all games just mirror matches, and after a while it gets incredibly boring and stale. >inb4 muh chess
that is just a memory check, there is no strategy nor thinking there
I have fun figuring things out on my own. Life is all about "learning the meta" and it can be boring and tedious. Why should I have to apply that to something I do to relax and have fun with?
Meta is for online competitive games, like counterstrike. They're built with that in mind so the gameplay is designed around the meta weapons to be fun and interesting. Bringing metafagging to games that aren't built with competitive play in mind more often than not makes the game shitty and unfun, especially in singleplayer where the "meta" strat is just skipping as much content as possible.
metafags are the same type of autistic morons that demand to win 100% of the time as idiots who datamine every little bit of game code and files to be the first to spoil any cool shit that could be coming up in the future.
>egregious and pretentious example >feeling of superiority for following the beaten path and never going outside of your bounds for your own safety
Who knows, man. Maybe some people just don't care for your rules.
balancing the meta is nearly impossible, it's like the butterfly effect on crack, chaos theory, you lower one swords damage by 5 points and the entire game shifts into a axe and polearm meta, now you have 2 problems instead of one, repeat
just make everything fill different niches so you're comparing apples to oranges instead of apples to apples, making your choice be based off your playstyle more than pure numbers
>tfw all of the meta slaves I've met in Dota 2 have been complete shitters and usually suck ass while bitching about everyone else
Half the time, they're also complete drones who just copy what pros do without understanding why it works or how to even do it properly
Good games allow you to counter the meta by offering tons of options, like Elden Ring. When everyone and their mother used RoB, I figured out you could use ranged AoWs to counter it like glintstone pebble. Then everyone started using glintstone pebble and I started carrying a shield with carian retaliation.
If you cant stay ahead of the mindless meta following masses by using your brain then it's a shitty game.
RoB was never the meta, it just worked well in low skill ganks so salty reds constantly complained about it. Meta has always been dual spears or straight swords while menu swapping like a spastic.
Ofc RoB was the meta, it was overpowered as fuck for a long while. In the hands of a compitent player it would crush almost everything, same with moonveil.
I'm not good enough to play meta ;-;
I usually end up playing tanky builds because it's easier to stay alive and be a nuisance for the enemy as long as possible
Metafagging is often the easiest way to play the game
Its literally the definition of min/max
Minimum input for maximum output
Metafagging is unironically easymode and you will never convince me otherwise
>use shit ass non meta character/skill/build >win >lmao even though you had a massive advantage you still lost to me, you are obliged to kys now >lose >well what did you expect to happen with such difference in handicap lol
seems like a win-win situation for non meta chads
What a silly debate. It always seems to devolve to half the people arguing from the perspective of being ultra-diamond platinum encrusted cockstank tier and losing 30 hours worth of hard fought progress from one homosexual basically throwing the match with his retarded off meta axe wielding dex wizard pick; the other half are calling you a retard for playing the meta in a local couch match of Mario Kart 8 on Wii U so you can snakedrift turbo+ boostglitch against a group of people who last played Mario Kart in June 2018 and need to be reminded what the buttons do occasionally.
Because meta changes. And if it doesn't, it's playerbase dies. The guy getting fucked is an ESSENTIAL part of multiplayer games but they all leave when the meta becomes too strict for their casul ass to have fun in. Then it becomes top meta players preying on lower meta players. Until those lower meta players eventually leave which then just becomes an even smaller group of high meta players who prey on themselves. And then those top players don't leave. They quit video games all together because there is no way they're ready to re-learn another meta from another games as a job because they see how fruitless their efforts become. And then they go get a real job.
If you want to play games as a job outside of entertainment, you are worthless to this society and could be doing more.
>I put a line at the bottom just for you
aw thanks bro, and for your information i CAN read, your post was just too long and too soon after paragraph king posted his sweet sweet kino
on Ganker? not worth the effort, you actually try to punctuate here? you know half of the retards you respond to are literal retards right? yet you think your grammer matters here, what a fag
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Anonymous
I'm still waiting.
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Anonymous
>I'm still waiting.
for what? your dad to come home?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
See, you could put a comma instead of that first question mark.
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Anonymous
what if im asking 2 questions?
2 weeks ago
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You're going punctuate your shit as the guy who claimed he didn't want to read?
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im the same guy retard, i can't even today, what is this even
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>I put a line at the bottom just for you
aw thanks bro, and for your information i CAN read, your post was just too long and too soon after paragraph king posted his sweet sweet kino
I knew mexicans and Brazilians were the ones shitting up the board. I fucking hate those guys.
because it's incredibly boring
before you give me shit, I stopped playing team games ages ago
just so I don't have to listen to you bitch
if they ever bring back community servers, I'll start playing them again
I never hate someone because they're playing off-meta. I hate them because they're not trying. By all means, go pistol only. Just buy me guns, and actually know how to use those pistols, how to engage enemies with them, and actually make an effort to play the game with them. Not using the best gear is not an excuse to not try.
I don't care how good you think you are with an AWP if you save it every round. You're not trying to have fun with it. There's no spark of life in your eyes, you are a machine that's not even given dopamine on clicking heads. If you did, you'd use a Scout. If you play only in the most safe ways, the "smartest" choices as decided by a committee of better players you will never be a part of, I do not believe you are having fun. I think you're incredibly bored of the game, actually. You hate the game and only live for engagement optimized matchmaking wins. You are not fun at parties, you are not my nigga, and you are not getting a buy you loser go learn the 57 spray pattern.
the image and I assume most of the people in this thread are talking about mmos/mobas and other gay number games where you actually can using math figure out the optimal way to play objectively but in real genres like fighting games the above image can actually be true
marvel vs capcom 3 drops and people think wesker and sentinel are some of the most broken characters in any fighting game. people play the game more and realize actually they have tons of flaws - the two characters did also get nerfed but the things people most complained about them (ease of doing damage, annoying normals, projectile + assist spam) turned out to actually be really easy to disregard if you just play the game better and so as the game has gone on they have fallen lower and lower down the tier list while zero and morrigan were characters that are now generally considered the 2 best in the game but spent many years being considered bad or not worth it because people didn't know how to play the character in a truly bullshit way yet.
marvel 2 had a similar story. iceman was an impossible to beat keepout characters until people figured out how to move while magneto was a low tier character until people figured out how to move.
TLDR: in real video games instead of number crunchers 'the meta' is a mutable concept that can be changed as people actually learn more about the game and experiment, assuming you're even at a high enough level that playing to the meta even matters. stop playing tab target mmos
metafags are garbage. the meta shouldn't be so restrictive that it reduces everyone who plays the game to fox vs fox final destination no items tier bullshit. if a game's meta is that restrictive, then fuck that game, especially if it's competitive. fuck you I don't care.
>Ganker is so contrarian they'll openly admit they are and would rather be scrubs rather than understand and adhere to the concept of some items, weapons, and builds just being strictly better than other ones and pissing and moaning when other players call them retarded for it
whenever i read an armchair expert post about gun X with overclock Y being totally busted in specific scenario Z it makes me want to forcefully shove said gun up that expert's ass
only once did i get a homosexual scout suddenly stopping mid swarm typing out a paragraph about UHM ACKCHUYALLY THE LASER IS A BAD WEPON U SHUD B USING GURNADE LAWNCHAIR, to which i responded by redirecting the beam at the scout until he died and then proceeded to cover him in platforms, threatening others with a kick if they dared to try and revive him
why don't you try having fun for once?
>team game
>cause everyone to lose
>wHy DoN't yOU hAve FUn?!!!
>single person makes a whole team lose
sounds like a literal skill issue.
Not even in gears of war with 4 man teams did that happen
Is it a ranked match?
No?
Then literally irrelevant.
>No?
The problem is the answer is "yes".
>cant have fun AND win
>treating games like a job
homosexual
meta is boring slop and i'd rather suffer than play the same way everyone else
because I don't care about the what's the most effective. I don't care about minmaxing. I play games to have fun.
*nerfs meta*
>NOOOOOOOO I JUST WANNA HAVE FUN!!!!
LMAAAOOO the dude with the hammer is gonna kill him!
DODGE LITTLE WIZARD!
hahahahahaha
there's a time and place for both
there's a difference between meta and viable. sometimes you just have more fun playing something that's not the best.
>3 aspie high levels ganging up on a guy that just installed the game
>These are the guys meant to look cool in this scenario
Lol metafags
it's clearly a moba of some sort. The dwarf guy is a fed enemy player and the other two guys are on the wizard's team, and he's just been dying nonstop with his dumb build. Hence why the dwarf is 3x the level of the other two guys.
>Your Honor; League of Legends
Death
It's so easy to shitpost / 'hur dur I'm retarded' even with stale images like this, isn't it?
I don't understand the appeal
I play the meta if I discover the meta myself.
>use weapon because its powerful and fun to use
>Gankeredditors seethe because im not starting naked only using the club for the entire game without leveling up and using the walls of my asshole instead of hands to control the game
DBTG
Sorry bro, unless you started as wretch and only used your club with no leveling of the weapon and stats, also blindfolded, and a rod shoved up yourself and all of your fingers chopped off..
you didn't beat the game
bro if you didn't beat the game at -80bl, blindfolded, no zip, dickless, any% under 30 minutes, you didn't beat the game
>not using the walls of your asshole
if you can't master the cavern grip you're simply not going to make it, n00b
Believe it or not but some people get way more enjoyment out of meme builds when they work then they do actually winning the game. 90% of meta players don't amount to shit in their game of choice so it doesn't matter in the end.
>game has build variety
>try to utilize build variety
>get told that you must build one specific way until the next patch where autists will find the next minmaxed build
Sounds terrible
Because they have souls
The meta is usually one or two months out of date and metafags don't actually consider the people playing with them to be the game's community, so nobody gives a shit about them other than the devs trying to boost engagement.
This wouldn't be a problem with community-hosted dedicated servers of course, this is only a problem with matchmaking shit.
Just don't think for yourself. Be a cuck and have someone else do it for you.
Too many words, bad meme
If the two available play styles, builds, or strategies are
>ardent adherence to meta
or
>absolutely useless, team sabotaging ideas
your game kinda sux
>meta
the point of a game is to have fun nerd
there's a middle ground between being a mindless metadrone and just outright trolling/griefing
why do people seethe so much about metafags? what are they supposed to do, go easy on you playing tic-tac-toe?
It defeats the purpose of playing games for me.
I don’t want someone to do any of the thinking for me
It becomes a problem when the game is balanced around the meta, see path of exile and dark souls continued focus on a bare bones rhythm game.
cause you naggers ruined battlefield 1, I wanna play a game where I use bolt actions and semi auto rifles in ww1, and you fucks are running around with smgs and fully auto lmgs
Are you really gonna blame the playerbase for using guns that are easier to use and overall more effective? DICE is the one who decided 32 round SMGs were standard issue in 1915.
honestly I would love a ww1 game with mostly bolt actions. I remember liking the rifle class in old cod where you got kar98k without a scope but in that game it was actually somewhat balanced against the thompson and mp40 (bar was still busted). but yeah as anon when they fill up the game with modernesque firepower you can't expect average players online in matchmade 60 player matches to handicap themselves on purpose
you would need drastic balance changes for it to work, but someone should try. how about bolt action rifles one-hit on upper half of torso as well. or what if the smg has a small mag and absolutely needs to reload to kill on full hp
>honestly I would love a ww1 game with mostly bolt actions
https://store.steampowered.com/app/242860/Verdun/
it's aite
Dead game
go play hunt showdown. its basically bolt action and lever action gun porn
Skill issue, I used to shit on kids with the scopeless Gewehr.
not directly related but I hate how fucking incompetent game devs are at making bolt actions play well
especially when they make reloading take several fucking infuriatingly long seconds
I shoot a fair bit but not too fond of bolt actions and even I've managed to nail 5 shots in 4 seconds in a torso sized target at 100m with a ww2 era rifle
this is a far better level of performance than in ANY ww1/2 game I have ever played and I'm just some fucking guy
because more often than not i find a build BETTER than the meta, fuck metafags.
especially since my shit gets nerfed into the ground once metanaggers get a hold of it
Reddit typically decides the meta for the plebs, and reddit is retarded, so it's often not hard to come up with something way better than whatever the top rated comment is on a game's subreddit. In my experience it's usually a bunch of theorycrafting and number crunching that doesn't really hold up in actual play.
>Use loadout I enjoy
>metafag says fuck you that's not meta
>continue to use it
>3 months later
>my loadout is now considered meta
>anti meta fag says fuck you meta fag
>continue using loadout
>3 months after that it's not considered >meta anymore
>still use it
happens more often than you'd think
because the meta is usually an all purpose build and I don't want an all purpose build, I want a glass cannon or a stealthy build or a trapper and I will build them myself like god intended
Because it's just a cope to mask someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Saying you're playing 'off meta' sounds better than saying 'I have no idea how to play this game'.
People should stop using the word 'meta' and just calling it 'strategies that work'. By all means move the A2 pawn turn 1 if you want, but it will never, EVER not be retarded.
Why did they draw that one dude with such a massive cock?
Usually it's best to just do what works or what the pros do. The problem arises when the masses fail to understand why the pros do what they do, yet dogmatically adhere to the "meta" and attack those who stray outside of it. You see this from a lot of redditfags especially with regard to mmorpgs. With that said most multiplayer games do have "wrong" ways to play and I'd rather have metaslaves on my team than "you don't pay my sub" fags.
I played a Sword and Board Holy-spec'd Paladin in WoW at launch all the way to 60, surprisingly I never got any reaction out of it other than people being shocked that I could pull with a ranged attack.
Do metaslaves REALLY?
Because it eliminates the illusion of choice.
Because I don't play shit games where the meta is the only viable option
i quit playing overwatch because i wasn't allowed to pick torbjorn every game
didn't matter that i consistently topfragged or used unique ways to contribute to my team, the metafags banned maining a character outside of niche use. ranked laddering in a multiplayer game was a mistake, honestly. if you want to compfag you should just go compfag with a team of other compfags and let people play the game normally.
dwarfhomosexual you deserved it
Nah you fucking sucked, actual good one tricks were the rarest players to find in that game and even the best could get their shit pushed in by some comps, even rarer was the good one trick that could and would be willing to swap in that scenario. Don't go to places you don't belong and cry like a little homosexual when the rest of your team hated you but
>DURHRURRRRR IJUST WANNA INOT FUN
Lol this guy was even worse at the game than torb player
cry little fag cry
because i can topscore without it, fag
This picture is dishonest (wow people dishonest on Ganker of all places?).
No one complains you can't do strength build as a fucking wizard of all things.
What really happens is a few strategies are obviously far far far better than anything the game has to offer.
Name 1 (one) diverse and well balanced game.
Honest question
Anyone here ever DEX wizard/warlock before? Thinking of a kind of street magician/thief wizard who uses sleight of hand and all that jazz to get out of roguish conflicts, but then surprise surprise, when his back is against the wall he just drops magic assfuckery on everybody.
Never was big on the whole hobby though so I don't know the difference between wizard, sorcerer, and warlocks.
In 5e/BG3 you can just be the Rogue subclass Arcane Trickster
wizards are smart, sorcerers are their own magic source, and warlocks are magic con men who make deals with devils
dexy caster is pretty common, yeah. i played a changeling warlock conman who would use his alternate personas to run grifts. it was a lot of fun.
DEX wizard was one of the viable builds in Ragnarok because DEX controlled your cast speed while INT was damage. (Total cast time reduction = dex/150, soft cap of 99 placable stats not including gear)
Cast bars were also like 10 seconds long sometimes.
I like variety and I usually suck with meta guns. Maybe people just have different playstyles
Every game has a meta, people hate when that meta is shackle.
>you're a strength character use a strength weapon
>noooo not THAT one
>noooo not THAT one either
>or that one
>or that one
>or that one
>or any of the other dozen strength weapons
>use this one because it's the best
fun
>Only play the meta
>Miss out on 90% of the game's content
That's why. Never understood people who play only 3 characters out of an 80 character roster of a fighting game
Me neither but that's rarely the case nowadays because there are a lot of character loyalists in fightan.
I guess it really depends how big the stakes are.
a person i knew that tried to be incredibly efficient and get incredibly powerful as quickly as possible in every single game he played and he was completely miserable in real life so i assume all meta players are like that
>NOOOO I MUST BE SPECIAL!!!
Have most of you not grown up even a little in your 20-30 years of life...? seriously...
why does every game need to be competitive all the time? why is everyone such a tryhard all the time? (matchmaking btw)
also: why are there even options left in the game that aren't viable? because a game with only 3 characters and 4 guns would look worse then one with way more useless fluff?
will there ever be an end to these "i'm good you're bad" "look how ugly i've drawn you" types of memes? it's not just they're getting stale, they are getting more and more ugly, it's getting annoying. or is it too casual now for anything new and interesting to come up, will the same frogs and basedjacks and virgin v chad memes and all that still be posted another decade down the line?
You're ugly and it shows. Making fun of ugly losers will always be funny if you're not some ugly homosexual (like you LOL).
no and its not some new phenominon. depicting the bad guys as ugly idiots is like war propaganda 101 since pre-history.
Most games are so badly balanced that the meta is always just the exact same strategies, which makes all games just mirror matches, and after a while it gets incredibly boring and stale.
>inb4 muh chess
that is just a memory check, there is no strategy nor thinking there
There's not a single game I can play where I won't get my rectum caved in by a hoard of autistic shut-ins, so I might as well do what I want.
I have fun figuring things out on my own. Life is all about "learning the meta" and it can be boring and tedious. Why should I have to apply that to something I do to relax and have fun with?
math is just too hard for some folks
Meta is for online competitive games, like counterstrike. They're built with that in mind so the gameplay is designed around the meta weapons to be fun and interesting. Bringing metafagging to games that aren't built with competitive play in mind more often than not makes the game shitty and unfun, especially in singleplayer where the "meta" strat is just skipping as much content as possible.
So why do bad weapons even exist in CS? What is the point?
Flavor/preference on force buy or anti eco rounds, also for variety in some of the other game modes.
Fair enough.
i'd rather do my own thing because builds are fun and following meta sucks all the life out of it
>Dumbass not knowing how to play his class = People not wanting to minmax
Strawmans suit people who only know extremes and absolutes
metafags are the same type of autistic morons that demand to win 100% of the time as idiots who datamine every little bit of game code and files to be the first to spoil any cool shit that could be coming up in the future.
Games were more fun before the internet.
>Why do some people refuse to play the meta?
price of having a foreskin
>being a metafag
>not being a counter metafag
Meta is for room temp IQ's only
this man can do simple math, this man is better than 90% of this thread, sad
Because carrying shitters with an off-meta build is more fun and satisfying than being a metacuck.
>egregious and pretentious example
>feeling of superiority for following the beaten path and never going outside of your bounds for your own safety
Who knows, man. Maybe some people just don't care for your rules.
>play the meta?
Why do some games refuse to balance their characters so all of them are viable?
balancing the meta is nearly impossible, it's like the butterfly effect on crack, chaos theory, you lower one swords damage by 5 points and the entire game shifts into a axe and polearm meta, now you have 2 problems instead of one, repeat
just make everything fill different niches so you're comparing apples to oranges instead of apples to apples, making your choice be based off your playstyle more than pure numbers
>making your choice be based off your playstyle more than pure numbers
you know playstyle is a meta too? its not just numbers
playstyles are countered by other playstyles, snipers can't exactly deal with stealth as easily as they can deal with a tank
>tfw all of the meta slaves I've met in Dota 2 have been complete shitters and usually suck ass while bitching about everyone else
Half the time, they're also complete drones who just copy what pros do without understanding why it works or how to even do it properly
Good games allow you to counter the meta by offering tons of options, like Elden Ring. When everyone and their mother used RoB, I figured out you could use ranged AoWs to counter it like glintstone pebble. Then everyone started using glintstone pebble and I started carrying a shield with carian retaliation.
If you cant stay ahead of the mindless meta following masses by using your brain then it's a shitty game.
RoB was never the meta, it just worked well in low skill ganks so salty reds constantly complained about it. Meta has always been dual spears or straight swords while menu swapping like a spastic.
Ofc RoB was the meta, it was overpowered as fuck for a long while. In the hands of a compitent player it would crush almost everything, same with moonveil.
At most it was the casual meta. RoB is low skill sure but it was never the best.
I'm not good enough to play meta ;-;
I usually end up playing tanky builds because it's easier to stay alive and be a nuisance for the enemy as long as possible
Metafagging is often the easiest way to play the game
Its literally the definition of min/max
Minimum input for maximum output
Metafagging is unironically easymode and you will never convince me otherwise
>you will never convince me otherwise
darn, that's literally all i wanted to do today too
min maxing =/= meta
what if i min max for a non meta weapon?
or am i supposed to just choose the worst stats possible?
Metafags play the way they do because they are the exact opposite of that in real life it speaks volumes, coping in real time they should feel ashamed
>use shit ass non meta character/skill/build
>win
>lmao even though you had a massive advantage you still lost to me, you are obliged to kys now
>lose
>well what did you expect to happen with such difference in handicap lol
seems like a win-win situation for non meta chads
>Guild has a bunch of low IQ women
>They don't learn or understand their classes
>Prog is always slowed by them
>They always hoard trinkets
>game has a wide variety of options
>no, you must only use this one
Gee I wonder. Sounds fucking boring.
What a silly debate. It always seems to devolve to half the people arguing from the perspective of being ultra-diamond platinum encrusted cockstank tier and losing 30 hours worth of hard fought progress from one homosexual basically throwing the match with his retarded off meta axe wielding dex wizard pick; the other half are calling you a retard for playing the meta in a local couch match of Mario Kart 8 on Wii U so you can snakedrift turbo+ boostglitch against a group of people who last played Mario Kart in June 2018 and need to be reminded what the buttons do occasionally.
Because meta changes. And if it doesn't, it's playerbase dies. The guy getting fucked is an ESSENTIAL part of multiplayer games but they all leave when the meta becomes too strict for their casul ass to have fun in. Then it becomes top meta players preying on lower meta players. Until those lower meta players eventually leave which then just becomes an even smaller group of high meta players who prey on themselves. And then those top players don't leave. They quit video games all together because there is no way they're ready to re-learn another meta from another games as a job because they see how fruitless their efforts become. And then they go get a real job.
If you want to play games as a job outside of entertainment, you are worthless to this society and could be doing more.
tldr
solved games aren't that fun
I put a line at the bottom just for you. np
Also it's a fucking text and image based website. I don't know what to tell you my dude. Learn to read?
>I put a line at the bottom just for you
aw thanks bro, and for your information i CAN read, your post was just too long and too soon after paragraph king posted his sweet sweet kino
Learn to form sentences as well.
on Ganker? not worth the effort, you actually try to punctuate here? you know half of the retards you respond to are literal retards right? yet you think your grammer matters here, what a fag
I'm still waiting.
>I'm still waiting.
for what? your dad to come home?
See, you could put a comma instead of that first question mark.
what if im asking 2 questions?
You're going punctuate your shit as the guy who claimed he didn't want to read?
im the same guy retard, i can't even today, what is this even
I knew mexicans and Brazilians were the ones shitting up the board. I fucking hate those guys.
Because I enjoy being a lowtier whore so I can always save my ego even if I lose
because it's incredibly boring
before you give me shit, I stopped playing team games ages ago
just so I don't have to listen to you bitch
if they ever bring back community servers, I'll start playing them again
I never hate someone because they're playing off-meta. I hate them because they're not trying. By all means, go pistol only. Just buy me guns, and actually know how to use those pistols, how to engage enemies with them, and actually make an effort to play the game with them. Not using the best gear is not an excuse to not try.
I don't care how good you think you are with an AWP if you save it every round. You're not trying to have fun with it. There's no spark of life in your eyes, you are a machine that's not even given dopamine on clicking heads. If you did, you'd use a Scout. If you play only in the most safe ways, the "smartest" choices as decided by a committee of better players you will never be a part of, I do not believe you are having fun. I think you're incredibly bored of the game, actually. You hate the game and only live for engagement optimized matchmaking wins. You are not fun at parties, you are not my nigga, and you are not getting a buy you loser go learn the 57 spray pattern.
the image and I assume most of the people in this thread are talking about mmos/mobas and other gay number games where you actually can using math figure out the optimal way to play objectively but in real genres like fighting games the above image can actually be true
marvel vs capcom 3 drops and people think wesker and sentinel are some of the most broken characters in any fighting game. people play the game more and realize actually they have tons of flaws - the two characters did also get nerfed but the things people most complained about them (ease of doing damage, annoying normals, projectile + assist spam) turned out to actually be really easy to disregard if you just play the game better and so as the game has gone on they have fallen lower and lower down the tier list while zero and morrigan were characters that are now generally considered the 2 best in the game but spent many years being considered bad or not worth it because people didn't know how to play the character in a truly bullshit way yet.
marvel 2 had a similar story. iceman was an impossible to beat keepout characters until people figured out how to move while magneto was a low tier character until people figured out how to move.
TLDR: in real video games instead of number crunchers 'the meta' is a mutable concept that can be changed as people actually learn more about the game and experiment, assuming you're even at a high enough level that playing to the meta even matters. stop playing tab target mmos
my ego
metafags are garbage. the meta shouldn't be so restrictive that it reduces everyone who plays the game to fox vs fox final destination no items tier bullshit. if a game's meta is that restrictive, then fuck that game, especially if it's competitive. fuck you I don't care.
I agree but that's not the best example considering that smash is a party game.
>Ganker is so contrarian they'll openly admit they are and would rather be scrubs rather than understand and adhere to the concept of some items, weapons, and builds just being strictly better than other ones and pissing and moaning when other players call them retarded for it
>lvl 2
theres the problem, fishing wizard isnt good until lvl 5
whenever i read an armchair expert post about gun X with overclock Y being totally busted in specific scenario Z it makes me want to forcefully shove said gun up that expert's ass
only once did i get a homosexual scout suddenly stopping mid swarm typing out a paragraph about UHM ACKCHUYALLY THE LASER IS A BAD WEPON U SHUD B USING GURNADE LAWNCHAIR, to which i responded by redirecting the beam at the scout until he died and then proceeded to cover him in platforms, threatening others with a kick if they dared to try and revive him
>love using the pomson
>specifically I focus medics to kill their uber meter
>always get shit talk from their pocket bf
it's the little things
You are very gay