Why does Smogon hate him so much? Just ban Last Respects and be done with it.

Why does Smogon hate him so much? Just ban Last Respects and be done with it.

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    prease understand banning moves too hardo

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They will when Basculegion drops
    Literally everyone knows it's the move and not the mons that deserve banning

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ban Last Respects
    Explain

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You know how you banned Fissure, Sheer Cold, Guillotine, and Horn Drill? Just do that, but with Last Respects.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >300 bp move

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    cute dog hehe

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just another case of Smogon being moronic, nothing new

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Last Respects is tied to the dog. Once Basculegion is released then the ban makes sense if that manages to frick OU up.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if
        It's not an if, last respects are gamebreaking in 6v6 meta. Hell, they are op even in 3v3 meta.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't ban signature moves because it sets a dangerous precedent of picking apart the broken aspects of any Pokemon and completely invalidates the tiering system. Basculegion currently gets Last Respects, but there's no 100% assurance of that until Home support is released. They already changed movesets and stats in the day 1 patch, what's to stop them from doing it in next week's patch as well?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ...then they would unban Last Respects if trash like Unown got it? What's the issue?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        nta but there's a weird argument that the best way to explain it is like "well if houndstone is balanced for OU if it loses last respects, can we bring down chi-yu if it only uses ember, can we bring down annihilape if it doesn't use rage fist, can we bring down iron bundle if it doesn't run freeze dry", opens the door for weird shit like that

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds just like typical slippery slope fallacy that doesn’t really apply and is only autism.
          Last Respects is 1 move and is clearly broken. It’s even banned in STABmons because obviously having a 200-300 BP move with only drawback being “Literally playing the game naturally to a certain point” is overpowered. It’s very different to ban Last Respects entirely than to ban Flamethrower or ban Chi-yu+Flamethrower.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, i'm not saying it's a good argument, it's just the argument smog has put out.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why is baton pass banned?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was given a half dozen chances with various restrictions, and all of them became cancerous matchup checks.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            baton pass teams are basically the cheapies of smogon
            they win or lose instantly based on what the opponent is, instead of what the opponent does

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            This anon is on a holy mission. His mission is to make all smogtards kill themselves. Let him be blessed. Amen

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            smogies refused to adept

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They don't ban signature moves because it sets a dangerous precedent of picking apart the broken aspects of any Pokemon and completely invalidates the tiering system.
      The "we don't like complex bans" rule flew out the window in gen 5 with Swift Swim + Drizzle. They should just full commit to complex bans.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They should just full commit to complex bans.
        No, they shouldn't. Because you can nitpick any Pokemon down to the bare essentials and make every tier identical.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    White Stripe Basculin learns Last Respects too
    Will it be broken with that move or will they ban Basculegion instead?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's the fastest Last Respects user, and can become a ghost-type to boost it even further with Adaptability.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The philosophy is that at least 2 Pokemon need to be broken with an Item/Ability/Move in order for it that Item/Ability/Move to be banned.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Tell that to outrage, draco, stealth rock, and scald.

        Honestly, I'm sick of the "But [insert shitmon here] still sucks with it!" defense.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Scald was always hilarious how they tried to justify a 30% Burn rate on an attacking move.

          Like at that point it's basically Will-o-Wisp with extra damage.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          All moves besides Scald were fine.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >sky high power + accuracy dragon moves and sneaky pebbles were fine
            Fairy type and the defog buff were made for a reason.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't even get why they threw a shitfit about this mon, it's so gimmicky it's like b***hing about double dance lando

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >bans shed tail, double team, baton pass, etc.
    >NOOOO WE HAVE TO 3 YEARS BEFORE WE LET YOU USE HOUNDOOM THINK IF THE LE HECKIN PRECEDENT !!!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Houndoom

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Smogon will ban Last Respects, but refuse to admit U-turn moves ruined singles.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      i havent been playing comp enough to know any formats without pivot moves so it's kinda just the norm for my brain - what makes them broken and worsening of singles?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pivoting is already strong in Singles, Pivoting with damage is even stronger as it breaks sashes etc.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >omgon

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