why don't fantasy games ever feel legitimately medieval ?

why don't fantasy games ever feel legitimately medieval ?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they are fantasy games, not medieval games. They have no obligations to be historically accurate because they aren't based on any specific point in history. What you should be asking is why more medieval games aren't made which is a question I have too.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Diversity.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >medieval
    >flying ships
    >guns
    >too much tech

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Almost nobody studies history and memeified pop history is prolific. Most fantasy games are iteration upon iteration of bastardized Tolkien.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Im weak on this subject but what exactly does it being Tolkien actually mean? That it has the setting with elves, dwarves and medieval era stuff?

      was he really the first guy to put all that together?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Basically. Of course Tolkien based his work off existing folklore and such (all creative works are derivative upon something else) but his particular configuration is what people mindlessly aped to the point its become the framework for fantasy at this point. Probably the fault of D&D? I don't know for sure but it caught the fancy of various nerds who built niche nerd culture before it blew up.
        In a parallel universe maybe we ended up with say Conan the Barbarian or Narnia being the foundational fantasy setting.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm pretty sure D&D also borrowed from The Dying Earth but somehow its influence has been forgotten.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think a factor for that was that Tolkien was extremely exhaustive. Tons of pointless details that trickled into enough of a foundation for hacks and nerds to imagine a good picture of how the setting works outside the plot.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    chivalry 2 probably the best you're gona get in that regard

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fantasy NEEDS to be medieval
    My, it's been years since i've last heard this bullshit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not even that, its just that the fantasy medieval settings out there just feel very generic and boring nobody ever tries to do anything else with the setting except rip off tolkien or rip off game of thrones.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No anon,he was the "first" guy to write a single cohesive book trilogy about those mythical creatures m8 that actually resonated with millions of people

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >rip off game of thrones.
        Funny enough Elden Ring is written by GoT writer, and yet it absolutely doesnt fit into op's request.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why don't fantasy games ever feel legitimately mediev-ACK

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Plays shit fan-tasy bullshit dating simulator games
    Complain why its bad, play kingdom come instead retard

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Medieval settings are played out, I want to see more Baroque settings.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bannerlord

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of fantasy RPGs are actually more renaissance (without the architecture) when gamers think "medieval".
    I think it's because actually being accurate to medieval period for a fantasy game stifles a lot of adventure opportunities

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you could base your setting on the crusades, the rise of islam or the time after antiquity when the roman empire was going through death spasms, you can get plenty out of that setting honestly.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Witcher 3 is closest you got to it, although also far because of renaissance fanciness of clothes and armor. Maybe Dragon's Dogma a bit (but its closer to original D&D). Kingdom Come already as far away from fantasy as possible.

      >renaissance (without the architecture)
      And without firearms with fireballs and magic instead of gun powder.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >feel legitimately medieval
    because that would be boring as fuck
    it's the fantasy and megic shit that makes it cool

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    art history question:
    Did Medieval artists understand how to render things realistically (anatomy, perspective, etc.), but they just chose not to for the sake of stylization?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it varied from place to place and from artist to artist, its not as if you could check online or a phonebook or put an ad out in the paper for artists.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can't speak for the abilities of the individual artists but as a whole they did, they just chose not to for stylistic purposes. If you look around a bit you can find examples that have better proportions. That said, most of the best examples come from the tail end of the Medieval era. I don't know anything about the history of art supplies but I imagine it might have been due to innovations in paint and accessibility to it or something.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pictures exist but they are quite ugly. Dont know what made medieval scholars descent so much from graeco-roman knowledge of anatomy. The are some pictures that so ugly you'll unironically chuckle hard. Before Andreas Vesalius it was quite low effort.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dude this isn't the 16th century you don't actually have to pretend Roman art was better than Medieval stuff anymore. I can only imagine the joy of opening up a manuscript and seeing something like this.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i like how all hells breaking lose and all it takes its a boy cutting a lambs neck for 'god' to finally pop out and say, whats going on here?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's a bit like a shark only his nose is especially sensitive to lamb blood.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not to be taken literally. The God is the inner voice you have inside you and the lamb sacrifice is letting go of your pride. To walk with the God is to listen to your moral compass, to do things that don't make you feel ashamed of yourself.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That is basicaly in a comic format. There are three different panels in that page.

            https://www.themorgan.org/collection/crusader-bible/1

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pictures exist but they are quite ugly. Dont know what made medieval scholars descent so much from graeco-roman knowledge of anatomy. The are some pictures that so ugly you'll unironically chuckle hard. Before Andreas Vesalius it was quite low effort.

      nope. Initially they drew symbols because they thought that any realistic representation was sinful.

      The church preserved sculpture and art from greeks and romans though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Feel like we're missing a lot of Byzantine art cause they went full on autism mode about iconoclasm

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with perspective is that until the 15th century, when someone codified a perfect mathematical method for making perspective easily reproducible, the perspective would be only as good as the size of the paychecks, and of course, limited by the technics the individual artist or workshops managed to develop on their own.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some did. The late classical and early helenistic Greeks did, as did Popeii-era Romans

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        art history question:
        Did Medieval artists understand how to render things realistically (anatomy, perspective, etc.), but they just chose not to for the sake of stylization?

        Dude this isn't the 16th century you don't actually have to pretend Roman art was better than Medieval stuff anymore. I can only imagine the joy of opening up a manuscript and seeing something like this.

        Probably had to admit that professional iconography was domain of the Church in medieval ages, and not the masses waiting for new museum exhibition.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's fantasy, you fucking baboon. Plus fantasy is not only medieval, but can have any other setting.
    Games like Kingdom Come: Deliverance are non-fantasy medieval games.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Were castle walls really this small or were humans just bigger in the medieval times?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Humans were the same as they are now but mercenaries descended from Nephilim were commonly employed on both sides.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because FFVII happened and made everyone go crazy (in a good way), and, now, this is the result. they tried going back to its "roots" with FFXII and ivalice alliance, but people (you) chose XIII-style games which ended up with an even worse FFXV

    and what the fuck is FFXVI now?
    >clive
    holy shit, that retarded name for that setting

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fantasy
    >legitimately medieval

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Woah, it's almost as if they were completely different things.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too human, and language.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >horse on a boat
    Would someone really do such a thing?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      horse can do plenty of things anon, storming walls is one of things they can do better than men

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because 'medieval' means nothing in the context of most fantasy as they're anachronistic kitchen sinks

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they all follow the most boring """"medieval"""" tropes.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because real life in any time period is more vibrant and extraordinary than a fictional world inspired by that time period.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    any of you familiar with phantom time hypothesis?

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because medieval times genuinely sucked. There's a reason that people want more fantasy in their fantasy settings.
    Also, too many canon black people for Ganker to enjoy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I kind of like the gritty look better.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          there is no cure for shit taste anon

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And you know what? I think the historically accurate colorful version of Roman architecture and statues looked like shit compared to the monotone white version too.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yes, I agree about Rome but one is clean (rome) vs stuff covered in shit
              you would have more sense if you remove colors but don't add dirt

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's fair. The biggest appeal to the gritty look for me is the lack of color rather than all the mud anyways.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well, most of houses would be white(calcium carbonate) with red roofs(clay) and most clothes would be grayish(linen)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Reminded me of settlers. Especially later ones.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I love how millennials claim that any old era, the 50s or medieval, were bad because they didn't were slave to industrial culture nor political correctness.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >literally a slave to whatever lord was nearby
        >owned basically nothing, not even land, had to hand over food for taxes and if you didn't have enough to eat, tough shit
        >made no decisions to determine how well you lived
        >just get dragged into the army any time they felt like it
        >"justice" involved getting dragged before a judge, told the accusations, and set a sentence
        >any sort of medicine or healing involved getting drained by leeches or shoving garlic down your pants
        At least the American Frontier in the 1800s had land you could claim and do whatever you wanted on. If you were looking for any sort of decent lifestyle, medieval times were pretty awful for anyone without some sort of lordship.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it wasn't even particularly great for lords

          like yeah you weren't effectively a slave but castles still sucked to live in and you still ran the risk of literally shitting yourself to death on any given day because you drank slightly funny water

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Play KCD

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would you know what legitimate medievalness is like?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      By viewing the medieval found footage of course.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they are not brutal with visceral damage, the people in these games think and speak like US citizens in 2023 and they all share one shallow modern US culture with mixed races instead of the opposite of huge cultural variety with purely white population. Medieval period was tough, we are still the same people but the sentiments were vastly different. Also modern fantasy tends to have flashy lightsaber weapons and armor and the "medieval" armor is all shades of brown with a lot of leather mixed in. True medieval armor is the knight in shining armor with very colorful crest and tabard, and even helm design with very simple functional shapes. The soldiers had colorful insignia to be easily recognized.

    Basically everything is the opposite of what it should be and you get the experience of failed English writers instead of actual medieval approximation.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the people in these games think and speak like US citizens in 2023
      This is interesting viewepoint, did fantasy characters of 80's D&D campaigns spoke like 1980 US citizen? I have to agree on Morrigan from DA:O though. Her kind felt like the ones with certain public woman at game's release.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ultra violent medieval game with gore when?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A bit earlier time period but the first two God of War games on PS2 are what this type of fantasy should be. The gods are truly divine in their presence and the story is journey to the divinity of oneself. Pretty good, unlike GoW: Ragnarok which is just soulless propaganda.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want Kingdom Come Deliverance but without the hobo beginning.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd like a game like that where you just start as a full on knight or similar.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah that's what I want , from the KCD devs. Having to get by in tattered clothes while eating moldy bread and saw dust soup might be a historically realistic beginning to someone who just lost everything, but I did not find it a fun video game to play.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literal actual memes. Its like how mexico is always yellow.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    more like why are medieval games basically fantasy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That one is the only modern Assassin's Creed I have played. Surprised by how much fantasy there was in it. Do the other two go as hard on it as Valhalla did?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Origins is fairly mild about it but Odyssey leans into a bit more, fighting Greek monsters n stuff. Valhalla is by far the most fantasy-esque, though. Felt more like I was playing a Joe Abercrombie novel than a "historical" game

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Odyssey has greek myths like the hydra and other creatures, but they are hidden far off to the side and not involved in the main story. Even the hamfisted 'ancient alien tech assassin powers' are literally crammed into caves in the ground so you don't have to see or interact with them very often.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pop culture vikings look like shit, how the fuck do normalfags think this shit is cool

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you want to see characters throw shit out the window and have them acknowledge the stench of piss and people not showering?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If feudalism was so bad, why did it last so much longer than any modern system?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      most people were illiterate for much of human history

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and yet the witcher 3 game exists. its the perfect balance between fantasy and medival times. the balance meaning that the beasts arent these creatures that men cant take down and are not fantastical in size. and the medival is perfect with the right clothing, weapons and architecture including the stuff in houses and palaces (rugs, tables, chairs, chalices, etc).

    if anything more games should follow that cookie cutter style world creation and your question would be answered OP.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it takes inspiration from DnD and Dnd is basically modern life with a fantasy paint job like hippie elves.
    Most "tolkien" inspired games are only inspired aesthetically.
    The key theme in making a medieval setting is faith as a positive motivation.

    Any game that does faith is le bad or strays from good vs evil will basically stray away from from feeling medieval.
    40k and Xenogears is are the most medieval feeling settings I've experienced despite being sci-fi

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      take MEDS NOW. wtf are you even talking about you dumb fucking retard.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because medieval is an intensely astroturfed era of history. Almost everything that is taught about it in contemporary history lectures and books is straight up fantasy or has so many omissions of details that you're basically only allowed to view it as a novel heavily curated by specific authors.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because everyone equates medievalism with backwardness, ignorance, cruelty, and oppression. That revisionist puffery took off in the 18th century so people could pretend they were so enlightened and had progressed so much socially which is even more trendy today if anything. So to sanitize medieval settings they need anachronisms to hell and back.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Haircuts and costumes
    Too little Focus in countryside life and exploration
    Too much Focus in hyper fantastical world saving plotlines

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