Why don't fantasy games feature firearms as usable weapons more often?

Why don't fantasy games feature firearms as usable weapons more often? I think it would be cool to play as a musketeer with a matchlock or something

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The industry doesn't like guns.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i think the problem is it's not in most people's imagination when you say it's a fantasy game and most gamedevs/players probably don't know anything about blackpowder weaponry besides cannons and flintlocks. additionally, if you're playing something besides a strategy game, it'd be hard to balance the reload time/damage/accuracy/etc compared to a bow/crossbow.

    i'd love to see more games with matchlocks or other early gunpowder weapons, but i don't think it'll ever happen sadly.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Someone somewhere decided that fantasy should be based on the middle ages, the late and high middles ages to be more specific. This person wanted a pastiche of all the tropes from this period but he decided that gunpowder is a no no, even tho canons and firearms predates and coexisted with full plate armor for about three centuries, and the consequences have been stuck with up to this day.

    The only thing you can really do about it is wait for Owlcat to make an WHFB RPG

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Middle Ages
      How do you explain nearly every game forcing a "church" which is always wrong?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like I said, it all comes from a pastiche idea of the middle ages, which still in the public conscience still up to this, and is largely derived from the idologies of enlightment era that were more than willing to shit on the middle ages on every stance for one reason or another, as oppossed to a more scholastic and unbiased academic view of the middle ages, which older than most people alive today, but only recently has been starting to change peoples views on the middle ages.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If we can solve this problem then guns can become a staple of fantasy games.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Christ worship is a merchant sponsored psyop.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          All your current larpagan knowledge comes from church. That's why people have extensive knowledge about Celtic or Nordic or Greek mythologies but Slavic or Baltic mythologies are a black hole. They were studied simply less.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Educated the masses
        That's not true tho. Universities were only for the children of the wealthy. It was actually seen as a danger for peasants to know how to read. And preserving ancient texts was more only for scholars or the church.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the game literally tells you in the intro that Charles IV established Prague university, not the church

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Charles inspired the University of Prague. He requested Pope Clement VI build it. In 1347, he issued a bull establishing the church modeled after the University of Paris, which started as part of the cathedral-school of Paris. In 1348, the Emperor granted the university immunity from secular law so that it would be governed only by church law.
          Well he didn't fund it or plan it or build it or govern it or teach in it but he did ask for it technically. It's not all bad to be an idea guy. The Catholics probably deserve some small credit for doing literally everything else though.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so it seems

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fire arms predate the style of plate often used in fantasy media. Full plate wasn't really a thing until after early fire arms, that's why so many suits of plate in museums have bullet holes

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How about a hand cannon?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      age of empires 2 has them at least.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're more of a Renaissance thing (your picture is 1608) and fantasy games usually take place in the medieval period. Firearms reached Europe in the middle ages, but they were rare, costly and kinda' shit. People like to point to evidence of an invention as meaning it then became commonplace and global, but it took 600 years for them to reach Japan, China's neighbor, and it came from the Portuguese.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but it took 600 years for them to reach Japan, China's neighbor, and it came from the Portuguese.
      Because they were isolationists moron, and China was an enemy of Japan. Why would they share weapons with them?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        China traded with Japan, they had a huge cultural influence through buddhism
        >they were isolationists
        Also to be nuanced, they traded with dutch directly, during the Edo period they had dutch studies taught in dedicated courses. The Shimazu clan traded with other foreigners through their puppet kingdom in the ryukyu isles which weren't under the shogunate's direct influence.

        Of course none of this is relevant because guns were common in Japan by the 16th century

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but they were rare, costly
      Doesn't that make it the ultimate power fantasy to be the big dick in Europe with your rare gun, feared by regular soldiers and occasionally dueling with the other guy who has one?

      I remember it was hilarious just fricking owning random frickers with the gun in AC2

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Final Fantasy

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody wants to make a fantasy game that isn't based off medieval Europe or science fantasy shit.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    isnt there a 2 minute reload time if you use an old ass gun?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      only if your hands grow out of your ass

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No. About as fast, or slow as some of the heaviest crossbows. An actual issue with early firearms was actually supplying the gunpowder because of nitre was hard to find and it had to be imported at very high prices. Another cause of headache was people fricking their powder charge and either undercharging and missing their shots or overcharging and playing russian roulette

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why have technology when magic exists
    would it even have a chance to manifest itself if say a guild of magicians existed, they probably would see it as a threat

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it takes 10 years to cast a good fireball, it takes 10 minutes to learn to fire a matchlock

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and that fireball flies directly in to the house of a wannabe inventor

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >would it even have a chance to manifest itself if say a guild of magicians existed, they probably would see it as a threat
      This.
      The second some smarmy c**t magician gets blasted by a dipshit peasant that had enough of his bullshit you would see Big Sorcerer calling for the regulation of firearms immediately because god forbid you can kill someone further than 10 feet without spending six decades paying magician dues to the ~~*Magicians Guild*~~.
      God I fricking hate mages.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i never understood why wizards arent holding the absolute power in the settings where they are present
        or maybe their society is advanced past strongmen leaders but not the medieval feudalism, where every lord was a mass murderer by birth

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What would a gun do that is fundamentally different than a wizard with a magic missle spell?

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, early firearms were an issue. If they go by realism, it would be inaccurate at certain distances and it would take too much time to reload. If they go by artistic license, they would have balance it in a way that they don’t overshadow other ranged projectiles.

    Firearms were more effective when used en masse, not individually.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    warhammer fantasy has tanks and gatling guns together with magic

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