Why don't players like Sanwa anymore?

Why don't players like Sanwa anymore?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're too busy playing based sanma mahjong.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is sanwa not still the standard? Even for shmups where everyone sucks seimitsu dick I still just prefer a nice JLF. Seimitsu levers are super mushy and the gate is always really scratch. Seimitsu buttons are decent though, they have just enough resistance to avoid accidental presses.

      Based mahjong enjoyer

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Seimitsu levers are super mushy and the gate is always really scratch
        that's fucking wrong tho, it's the same as sanwa just with a shorter throw which is good for shmups

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've used tons of both and it's not wrong, it probably just bothers me a lot more than the average person
          The levered microswitches give nice control but the stick as a whole just feels worse to me

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've used tons of both and it's not wrong, it probably just bothers me a lot more than the average person
        The levered microswitches give nice control but the stick as a whole just feels worse to me

        Clover-TAC plays on Sanwa levers, it's not just you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is sanwa not still the standard? Even for shmups where everyone sucks seimitsu dick I still just prefer a nice JLF. Seimitsu levers are super mushy and the gate is always really scratch. Seimitsu buttons are decent though, they have just enough resistance to avoid accidental presses.

      Based mahjong enjoyer

      Fuck mahjong

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed. Now is as good a time as ever to stop playing.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stock Sanwa is the standard but modded JLF with cherry (now ZF) switches and a slightly tighter spring feels good too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      only scrubs mod their levers

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i use a modded fanta for everything

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Get carpal tunnel filthy korean

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i gotta get parts for my old ass madcatz te1.
    do i just mod my old stick with tape to, or should i get something new? something like this https://focusattack.com/kowal-1mm-oversize-actuator-for-sanwa-jlf-series-joystick/
    idk anything about parts

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you making the exact same fucking threads you fucking gay?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a hipster seimitsu stick with sanwa buttons, would probably buy the same ones if I bought a new one tbh. They're good.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sanwa sticks are fine but crown buttons are way better, no "mush" in the travel

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no one build js anymore everything this new gen buys is pre-fabs

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're too busy getting ripped off by buying second hand Gamer Fingers for 10 bucks a button.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hayabusa parts are better

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They feel too loose for me.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hayabusa is loud, slippery, spongy dogshit
      Fuck Hayabusa

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Started with Hayabusa
      >"this shit is too loose"
      >Replace with JLF
      >"this shit is too strict"
      >Go back to Hayabusa
      >Feels perfect now

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sanwa is perfect.

    >try seimitsu
    >hate it
    >try dragonforce or whatever theyre called
    >like it but way too sensitive
    >go back to sanwa
    >love them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >dragonforce
      I meant Gamer Finger. I bought 11 24mm buttons for a pretty penny years ago.

      >rip Jasens Customs
      >rip Gamer Finger

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who are you quoting?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Myself. Read, bro, read.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody uses arcade sticks anymore.
    Pads are more than enough to win major tournaments

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      good luck playing Zato on a pad

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why would I want to play low tier characters if I want to win?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >+R eddie
          solid upper mid tier, can rob most characters in the game
          >Xrd zato
          dogshit but can still rob people with unblockables but you might aswell play johnny or elphelt if you want to do that
          >strive zato
          top tier, no unblockables but extremely good neutral and excellent pressure.
          TLDR: zato is almost never low tier, REV2 came after multiple patches of puppet morons unblockable looping and 50/50ing people to death.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The vast majority of tourney players are still playing on stick anon, an increase in token pad players doesn't change that. Yes some really good players can still win on a pad, but it's a pointless handicap and, more importantly, is way less fun that playing on a stick once you stop being a shitter.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How is it a handicap? if anything the shitty stick is a handicap, there's a bigger travel distance between directions and even something as simple as dashing forward takes more time and effort on a stick than a d-pad where you literally just tap right or left twice.
        Even stick autists realise that removing the stick in favour of directional buttons, like the hitbox does, it unironically a huge advantage.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Pad
          >Handicap

          That's a big cope but alright.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He spent a huge amount of money on an obsolete control device
            Looks to me like you're the only one coping here lol

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >more cope

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >99% of tournament players and veterans agree sticks are the most obsolete of the three outside of maybe a couple of specific characters where stick is slightly better (opinion) than pad but still loses to hitbox
            >Some random gay on Ganker thinks he knows better than people who have been playing for 30 years and winning tournaments
            I can't have a single FG thread on Ganker without gays talking nonsense, can I

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I can use both, meanwhile you're stuck with 1 option.
              COPE

              >more cope

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >99% of tournament players and veterans agree
              Not even half of them agree on anything, let alone what parts to use. Koreans, Japanese and everywhere else all use vastly different parts and control styles, and top 8s are always a mix of everything save for Tekken that's always Crown or Seimitsu levers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the mere thought of trying to do 6321473 on a pad gives me seizures, it's bad enough on hitbox

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Controllers also come with analog stick if you wanna buffer your glue eating grappler motions

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >analog
              the absolute STATE of padtrannies holy kek

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can use both, meanwhile you're stuck with 1 option.
                COPE

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Pad
        >Handicap

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sticks are not just for fighters, you know.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Double tapping is not retarded on stick.
      Also pad players get early onset carpal tunnel like the smashies.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Also pad players get early onset carpal tunnel
        Must be why all those SF vets like Diego or Chokido switched to hitbox...and still got washed by pad players at EVO.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          hitbox isn't even ergonomic either, I would argue sticks and pads have been put through more rigorous ergonomics training

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Changing to pad won't make you suck less

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I started using a frame1 to play Melee a while back because I find controllers painful to hold in general.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        less frustrated player = enjoys the game more = plays the game more = becomes more skilled

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thoughts on the nacon daija EUbros? Found a new one for 140€

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because no one wants to play fighters after Strive killed fighting games

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you like making things up on the internet?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sanwa was known as quality because 09ers were told that it's what JP arcades used
    >Madcatz used it in all of their sticks with said marketing
    >a certain percentage of players was either more into tekken or anime, and was told Crown and Seimitsu would offer a better experience for those
    >everyone still generally played on Sanwa or Hori parts because even up to 2020, customization outside of art was still not common
    >strive hits and suddenly everyone wants micro stickless things because trendy
    >everyone does it out of a moral grandstand because hitbox evil despite the Snackbox makers did the exact same fucking thing to someone giving away a 3d printable circuit board and case
    >everyone continues to consume as quickly as possible without educating themselves on the market and parts available to them because strivers and 21ers in general do not believe in stepping outside of their comfort zone
    The fact that the 8bitDo stick is popular despite not being able to fit anything but Sanwa and Crown screw-ins is indicative that nobody fucking cares and that OP is a retard.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have no idea wtf any of you nerds are talking about. Me and my friends pussies are very dry right now. Please get lives

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shup up hole, go make me a sammich

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ywnbaw

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I swapped from Sanwa to Seimitsus when I got my Q4RAF what feels like a decade ago. Recently replaced the stick with an Odin after some hand injuries and waiting on the Loki to be released publicly. IIRC my issue with the Sanwa was they felt too sensitive for my liking.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It got too popular therefore people got into the alternatives to be different.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I find them a bit hard on the push resistance. The swtiches have a harder spring than Id enjoy but its a bit hit and miss with each batch I guess. After 2 months I still have to get accustomed to the current ones I got, DP motions are a bit unrealiable.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As I said last night:
    Sanwa was not the common arcade stick in Japan in the 80s and 90s. Seimitsu was.
    Certain groups of players have learned this and switched to Seimitsu for historical accuracy and perceived better responsiveness for games like SF2 and KOF.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sanwa is a major sponsor of the best KOF players in the world like Laggia and M'. Nobody is gimping themselves with a JLF.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I said "perceived". The advantage may not be real.
        However, I wonder if those players are using Sanwa in their personal sticks? Has anyone opened the bottom of the case to find out? Scrutinized videos to tell the miniscule difference in shaft height?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I believe it's safe to assume that players sponsored by Sanwa would be using Sanwa levers and buttons. Just like how Sako uses Hori Hayabusa sticks (low opinion of them in the FGC) but we all know he's a god of execution.

          Extra note: I'd expect the best KOF players in the world to prefer Zippy and Baolian sticks since that's what you'd find in a Chinese arcade.

          Xiaohai has been using Qanba sticks for a while, they also come with Sanwa parts.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I believe it's safe to assume that players sponsored by Sanwa would be using Sanwa levers and buttons.
            It's not safe to assume. Fighting game players are sleazy and I'd not be surprised at all if they didn't use the same product as their sponsor and laughed about it behind their back.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              We're talking about Japanese players, this isn't the American FGC. Here's a video of M' playing.

              ?t=126
              If someone can identify that lever, then do say so. I believe Sanwa levers have slightly larger washers in general, my bet is that he's using a Sanwa lever.

              >Xiaohai has been using Qanba sticks for a while, they also come with Sanwa parts.
              So he uses a Qanba case. We have no idea what's in there.

              Here you can see Xiaohai using a stock Qanba Dragon. That comes with Sanwa parts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How do you know it's stock?
                How do you know he didn't swap the stick body and put the qanba ball top back on there?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Occam's razor. Sounds like there's no winning with you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's no winning either way in this because it's spun off an incoherent response to a post about "certain groups of players" that switched to Seimitsu parts that didn't have anything to do with Sanwa sponsoring players.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's spun off an incoherent response to a post about "certain groups of players" that switched to Seimitsu parts
                Yes, you said people switched for historical accuracy (in which case they'd use an LS-32, but that stick has a core flaw in its pivot and really shouldn't be used at all) and those that prefer the "responsiveness" which probably comes from higher tensioned levers with smaller deadzones. At this point, I'd bet that those on SRK that were obsessed with doing things the "right" way (I remember all the debates over how the LS-32 was the stick used for 2D fighters) are probably are the people buying custom button boxes and 240Hz monitors for the lowest input lag today, and they stopped playing on stick a long time ago.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >core flaw in its pivot
                You mean the soul infuser?
                The popping is a feature, not a flaw. Teaches you not to pull too hard in the corners, especially with charge characters.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's a flaw, that's why they fixed the pivot jumping for its successor, the LS-40. And you're supposed to ride the gate with charge moves, at least for down to up - that way you can make sure you're keeping back charge.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why did the LS-32 outlive the LS-40 in popularity?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                LS-40 was only really used in the NEOGEO and that was later. I would wager it's because the JLF replaced everything and became the arcade gold standard. The LS-40's (yellow) subgate also doesn't get in the way of the square gate, unlike the LS-32 (blue). It's pretty much an upgrade in all aspects, but the deadzone is even smaller than the LS-32, for whatever reason.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                LS-40 was in the first crop of Impress cabinets, however somewhere in the years players decided they'd rather play SF3 with the LS-32.
                I'm still looking for info on why that change happened.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Xiaohai has been using Qanba sticks for a while, they also come with Sanwa parts.
            So he uses a Qanba case. We have no idea what's in there.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    While a d-pad may be a faster input device compared to a lever I feel like a lever allows you to use your wrist and fingers with more finesse.
    I think over time the current opinion that d-pads are technically better than levers will reverse itself back again somewhat.
    It's really highly dependent on the character and game.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Extra note: I'd expect the best KOF players in the world to prefer Zippy and Baolian sticks since that's what you'd find in a Chinese arcade.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what do you think of my lever ratings?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tip for people who want to learn to use an arcade stick:

    It takes way longer than you think it does.
    People will tell you it took them a few weeks to adapt but they are not being honest.
    It takes weeks to learn the basics but true integration will take at least a solid year of daily play.
    I figure at least 300 hours to start to play natively at the same level you probably had with a d-pad.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not that hard provided you don't start with bad habits like monkey grip. You can play platformers with competency within the first day of learning.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can play platformers with competency within the first day of learning.
        Competent, but not high level. Took me many hours to get to the same skill level on stick in SMB as I was on d-pad.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not everyone is retarded like you, stop projecting

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But that anon is right tho

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >people who want to learn to use an arcade stick
      Impressionable retards who wanna be like their favourite youtube e-celeb and throw away years of muscle memory for no advantage at all?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or people who just want to play the games like they were played historically.
        Some people care about the history of video games.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >games like they were played historically
          With a console controller?
          We had ports back then too you know

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I do play the ports with a controller sometimes.
            But when I am playing a CPS2 game I want an LS-32 + PS-14-G*

            *nobody sells PS-14-E's anymore

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You'd also have to find an LS-32 with the Matsushita switches.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I did.
                I even went as far as to find all three eras of Matsushita switches with different logos.
                Broken-in vintage LS-32s feel a lot more like an American style super stick than you'd think if you'd never used one

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My guess is you also have the Panasonic and Omron switch versions? Aren't the leaf switches bent for the Omron version? Wonder how different that one feels.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I pretend it's a mouse for my left hand, no muscle memory needed

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ah yes that common muscle memory of playing SF with a mouse

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you grip the mouse, flick it around with your fingers, wrist and/or forearm
          >same can be said for lever, you grip it and flick around with your fingers, wrists and/or forearm
          i'm not left handed but it just clicked easily

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He said no muscle memory needed anon.
          Just pretend it's a mouse lol.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >he doesn't use superior American parts

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      whats the story behind this stick?
      ive seen people talk about it before

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's just a really beat up MAS stick with the art removed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        MAS sticks are what people used during the arcade-to-home-console transition of fighting games. They were made on a per-order basis by a guy in California (who unfortunately passed away a year or two ago.) Some OG players grew up using this for games like MVC2 and still use it to this day. A bit of a novelty now since JP and Korean sticks took over due to being more comfortable and responsive to play on.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "American" parts
      >not made in America
      >many of them were never actually that common in America
      >refers to vast swath of radically different designs

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sanwa came with my original stick so I've stuck with them when getting new parts because they just work. Thought about getting Seimitsu buttons once solely for the screw-ins but they didn't have the colors I wanted.

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