Why is contrarianism so common in video games?

You don't see film buffs going around saying Star Trek Enterprise's ending is secretly great or anything like that, but with videogames it honestly feels an obvious truth is pointed out for a week and then a bunch of contrarians come out of the woodwork trying to convince everyone that actually, the obvious truth is wrong and the sky is actually green! And the worst part? Gaming communities make them super popular... why?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because everyone here is trying to get a reaction by rage baiting. It's quite tiresome

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      okay but why? because by *here* you don't mean Ganker, since you don't see this kind of behaviour on, for example, Ganker, but you don't mean specifically Ganker because this goes way outside of this place. it's a gaming-wide phenomenon, and I'm asking what makes gamers specifically act like this when compared to tv show watchers or whatever

      >You don't see film buffs going around saying Star Trek Enterprise's ending is secretly great
      I've never watched this but something being "great" or not is a matter of opinion.
      >an obvious truth is pointed out for a week and then a bunch of contrarians come out of the woodwork trying to convince everyone that actually, the obvious truth is wrong and the sky is actually green
      Care to give one example of this? Just remember that opinions aren't truths, they're just opinions.

      >I've never watched this but something being "great" or not is a matter of opinion.
      the ending of the show, which got cancelled early despite a loyal fanbase, is panning out and showing that the entire show has been a novel being read by a character from the next generation, they basically go "it was all a dream" as a frick you to the fans. I deliberately picked one of the most infamous endings in tv history because that shit is indefensable

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and showing that the entire show has been a novel being read by a character from the next generation
        I've never watched anything star trek before but couldn't it just be a history novel?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you could cope this way i suppose but the way i see it it's strongly implied it's fiction

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Like this Anon said most of it is rage baiting emotionally unstable and entitled gamers.
      A lot of the butthurt surrounding Starfield is mostly made by e-celebs trying to boost view count. Getting mad at 1 writer that's on a massive dev team is childish.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he's the LEAD writer tho, he is the man in charge of the whole operation
        if someone builds your house wrong and it collapses you get mad at the guy in charge, "but i have 12 employees" isn't really an excuse

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >getting mad at the LEAD WRITTER that all his work is doghit is... childish
        you should just have a nice day after being publicly cucked NKB

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i agree with your point in theory but you wrote that in the most childish way imaginable so now i'm not sure anymore

          the only professional contrarian i can name is armond white and that's his whole gimmick and everyone who knows him knows him *for* the gimmick of being the funny contrarian guy who will give the opposite review on purpose, he doesn't actually try to convince people that dune was the worst thing since LOTR (lol)

          Film buffs can be even more insufferable than videogame buffs because they have a longer history and higher cultural profile to get obnoxious with. Maybe more videogame nerd spergs are on Youtube, but in academia and critical analysis as a whole? No way.

          this, unlike gaming contrarians he expects the reader to be in on the joke

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because gamers are subhuman and give attention to obvious shitty ragebait, like I'm doing right now

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Plagiarulo
    That can't be real

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >You don't see film buffs going around saying Star Trek Enterprise's ending is secretly great
    I've never watched this but something being "great" or not is a matter of opinion.
    >an obvious truth is pointed out for a week and then a bunch of contrarians come out of the woodwork trying to convince everyone that actually, the obvious truth is wrong and the sky is actually green
    Care to give one example of this? Just remember that opinions aren't truths, they're just opinions.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Criticism in general is poorly thought out now. Everyone wants to have an opinion ASAP to join a discussion, get attention, feel validated and involved and they never question their knee-jerk reactions. They have full confidence in their immediate judgements.
    When faced with nuance or anything that may weaken their view, they react aggressively while firmly stating they are intelligent.
    Everyone wants an opinion, and they want it quick.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this might surprise you but some people actually do have different taste than others

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Film buffs can be even more insufferable than videogame buffs because they have a longer history and higher cultural profile to get obnoxious with. Maybe more videogame nerd spergs are on Youtube, but in academia and critical analysis as a whole? No way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the only professional contrarian i can name is armond white and that's his whole gimmick and everyone who knows him knows him *for* the gimmick of being the funny contrarian guy who will give the opposite review on purpose, he doesn't actually try to convince people that dune was the worst thing since LOTR (lol)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think he's joking at all. His opinion isn't always the opposite, just sometimes. I can see how he can come across that way though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Never happen. Gaming content viewership is VASTLY dominated by kids. And kids going care about serious discussions. They want to watch the funny 5’2” burp man with his monotone voice, the purple haired streamer getting le epic kills (while secretly doing it with hacks), the titcow playing LoL…. You suggestion is dead in the water.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My favorite part about starfield is that it really exposed which channels are shit or not.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People are incentivized to create controversy because they get attention personally and also they get financially incentivized through hate watching and hate clicks.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >You don't see film buffs going around saying Star Trek Enterprise's ending is secretly great or anything like that
    You obviously don't know what you're talking about then

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no i've never ever in my life seen anyone say the ending of enterprise is good

      name 1 youtuber

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think the 'devil's advocate' is very important to any group or discussion. The introduction of alternate thinking keeps people on their toes, not blindly following the group opinion, and makes them defend their points with facts and logic. People will learn something about themselves when they are talking with the devil, considering their opinion, and changing or firmly standing by their original idea.

    However, people these days are not bringing controversy out of interest in gleaning new information. They do it for fun, because they hate you, because they hate the thing that's being discussed and they have zero interest in learning anything from the discussion. When they have exhausted their care for the topic, they will have learned nothing, pack up the opinion that sparked controversy, and go to the next thread to state it again and start the cycle of being repeatedly debunked. Over and over.
    It's childishness or mental illness.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vidya is full of frauds talking about games they haven't finished so you can really just bullshit as much as you want and nobody will call you out

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >You don't see film buffs going around saying Star Trek Enterprise's ending is secretly great or anything
    Bro, there are still people unironically defending Disney Star Wars, what the frick are you talking about? The game industry and the movie industry alike are infested with posers who want the clout that comes with media literacy but have no understanding of how the artistry or storytelling or even the technical elements of the entertainment industry work. It's impossible to have your finger on the pulse of modern criticism and not see that it's full of cynical clickbaiting bullshit made by people who are often resentful of the industry in general and contemptuous of its fans. This is why GamerGate happened, for frick's sake.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bro, there are still people unironically defending Disney Star Wars
      what's wrong with disney star wars?
      yeha it's not as good as original star wars, whatever, but what's *wrong* with it? it's an alright competition to marvel that suffers from the same kind of saturation, the actual films in of themselves are alright if forgettable

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        disney star wars quality is not a universally approved truth, the difference of opinion is genuine and not contrarianism

        >what's wrong with disney star wars?
        1. No directorial vision. Disney were entirely unconcerned with maintaining any coherent artistic statement throughout the trilogy and kept swapping directors out based on which PR disaster they thought would bring them the most profit at the time.
        2. Cartoonishly one-dimensional characters. The villain was a whiny b***h with no goals other than being taken seriously as a Sith lord despite being nothing but a fanboy, much like Disney itself.
        2.1. The characters directly contradict and undo their own character arcs, in some cases outright self-destructing in a transparently duplicitous attempt to outright replace the Star Wars oldguard with the newcomers, both in the movies and in the fanbase.
        3. Overreliance on special effects to the detriment of storytelling, the only way they know how to raise the stakes is to make the bad guys bigger, more numerous, and meaner, i.e. the fricking Skibbiditoilet apporach to storytelling.

        I am absolutely not entertaining any "quality is entirely subjective" bullshit. There *is* structure to making a work of art and there *are* objective metrics to good storytelling. Anyone who tells you otherwise is ignorant at best and deliberately dishonest at worst.

        >it's an alright competition to marvel
        Marvel and Star Wars are completely different IPs with different market demographics! They shouldn't be competing at all! I shouldn't even have to explain that to you!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you from the technical industry like an IT guy?

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They do exactly that except with marvel movies and star wars.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You don't see film buffs going around saying Star Trek Enterprise's ending is secretly great or anything
      Bro, there are still people unironically defending Disney Star Wars, what the frick are you talking about? The game industry and the movie industry alike are infested with posers who want the clout that comes with media literacy but have no understanding of how the artistry or storytelling or even the technical elements of the entertainment industry work. It's impossible to have your finger on the pulse of modern criticism and not see that it's full of cynical clickbaiting bullshit made by people who are often resentful of the industry in general and contemptuous of its fans. This is why GamerGate happened, for frick's sake.

      disney star wars quality is not a universally approved truth, the difference of opinion is genuine and not contrarianism

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rise of Skywalker is more universally approved to be dogshit than pretty much any video game and even that has defenders.

        I think it's probably worse with movie in general, if you go back pretty much any classic movie that's been loved by audiences has someone absolutely shitting all over it like it's a black stain on all of cinema.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You see lots of contrarianism on Ganker. Just go there and mention True Detective and you'll get a whole bunch of people chiming in that "umm actually season 2 is secretly the best one"

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Audiences have a very large bias toward negativity and are more likely to click on and share negative stories, so the media follows the demand by supplying constant negativity.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is simply a safer option to be a hater and only really like old things that pass the societal shit-test. Critical Drinker is especially guilty of this and the one reviewer I actually loathe.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But he's not trying to pretend the game was great though?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why? Easy youtube shekels... but you knew that already.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Critics are generally wrong and entertainment is a subjective medium. Really not up until the past 8 years has the quality of entertainment media degraded so fricking bad has there really been so many objective examples of bad pieces of media.
    And this is before you get into gay op moronic shit like people inheriting memetics from IGN in 2006 and convincing themselves that every Sonic game is secretly really bad and not that like, there's maybe 4 strong examples of the games being ACTUALLY bad, with 3 of those being straight up unfinished or crippled functionally.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >there really been so many objective examples of bad pieces of media.
      name 5

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Every Sonic game is shit, that's correct. I'm sorry your Genesis and Dreamcast showed you more affection than your parents did.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Y-your parents don't love you
        Weird thing to say out loud when you're mad that someone won't pretend the blue hedgehog games are worse than they are.

        >there really been so many objective examples of bad pieces of media.
        name 5

        Well shit man, that's an easy one you can just point to the myriad of shitty counterstrike clones like Valorant Call of Duty and Rainbow Six Seige, and some of the trash battle royal shit like Fortnite which by their own admission needs to CONSTANTLY sign on OTHER IPs to keep itself alive
        Then you've got atrocious consultancy games like Forspoken.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >cod is a counterstrike clone
          ???
          this bait is so shit it wraps back around to being genuine, i'm convinced this post was written by a down syndrome kid. enjoy your life chum

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The original CoD was literally just a WW2 themed counterstrike clone with King Of The Hill and a pseudo infection game mode.
            Retrieval originally had the attacking team recover a POW (hostage).

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              okay yeah this is terrible bait sorry im sure the next one will be better

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean you can be mad about it, it's not going to change anything.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stop watching asmongold and your youtube experience will become 300% more coherent, the dude contradicts himself every few videos and acts as if there is any intelligent thought put into it

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you spent more time in other entertainment mediums you would realise that "contrarianism" is rampant outside of video games. But the real high IQ position is arriving at the understanding that consensus is bad, and words like "contrarianism" are just the nervous twitchings of the constricted vocal cords of the dogmatists who are invested in maintaining consensus opinion on any given matter.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Negativity brings views

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Several hour long video essay
    >90+% is just describing the plot, something that could be completely cut
    Absolute slop

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I fricking hate that shit. Are normies that stupid or do they do it on purpose in order to have filler for their videos?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Socially stunted. The content being so bloated is more so an excuse to have someone talk to them about a thing they like.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's the meta for low effort bullshit on youtube, just steal everything you can and cut as little and try and grab as much watch time as you can.
        If you want to notice something more annoying, a lot of them slightly slow down their voice track to make the video longer too.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >some rando calls you a cuck
    >make a 2 hour video response

    why

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thats not what happened
      emil is either completely unaffected by online criticism or affected in some completely unrelated way like someone calling a bomb threat to his house, either way none of this will affect his work

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because before the game comes out all the journos suck its dick and then the truth comes oozing out

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because GAMERS are even bigger cattle than capeshit devourers.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2 hour autismo "video essay"
    I really hate what youtube has turned into

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I saw a video that defended Emil and it just boiled down to "He's a really nice guy and that one quest in Oblivion wasn't so bad!!!".

    Kinda cringe. lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sucks to see morons fail upwards and ruin a beloved game series but oh well

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's publishers doing damage control and buying somewhat positive reviews. We just saw it with DD2, where after the initial review bombing, usual suspects start publishing articles full of mental gymnastics why microtransactions are a good thing.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's had multiple chances to prove himself. He's incapable as a lead writer for triple A games and needs to be fired.

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