Why is media (movies and games) so allergic to western mecha? For instance Pacific Rim for a movie while not overly great had it's moments highlighting how fucking good big, slow, stompy mechs with weight look. Mechwarrior as an IP is unfortunately tied down by fucking retards and a shitty developer but that doesn't stop other people from being original.
and of course the closest thing that technically comes close is Transformers and that franchise is still successful despite how embarassing the live-action films can be
they aren't. titanfall 2 is regarded as one of the best modern shooters.
No offense, but call of duty with overwatch ultimates isn't considered the best modern anything.
servers don't even work.
it's been 7 years
i tried it last week.
you don't get to call a game "one of the best modern shooters" if the fucking servers don't work.
you tried it 7 years after it released
you missed the boat, retard
i played it at release like I played 1 but if you're servers are down while another mech game released then you're a shit dev and your game is shit.
>the servers are down, therefore im a retard
fuck off shill.
no, you're a retard because you're expecting servers to still be up 7 years after release, when they've switched their focus to some stupid F2PBR
saying the game's shit because you're showing up late to the party is very very silly. you can't expect a multiplayer game, especially an FPS, to last forever
fuck you, learn to read.
it doesn't help your cause whether you played it at release, in fact it makes your bitching now even more farcical. you experienced the game at peak potential and decided to ignore that, just so you could moan on a mongolian basket weaving forum
This is why I hate modern games.
>OOPS, you didn't play Super Mario World when it was new? Missed the point lol
They do though. It got fixed a few days ago.
They work ans you van host private servers with custom modes and rules thanks to Northstar, which means the game will never really die.
God we need a titanfall 3 but add stronger mechs and bigger matches.
they made titans too weak in titanfall 2. the fact that I can demolish 1 as a pilot in seconds is retarded. in titanfall 1 they felt like a second game. but in titanfall 2. they feel like I used an ultimate with a time limit
yes its technically a skill issue, but I miss shields
Probably because they're seen as toys.
you have started a thread already. go back there. I understand you got before hard but stay in containment
The concept of Mecha in general is retarded. they would be completely impractical in any real life war scenario. Japs only like them because they all have autism
>Mechs take considerably more maintenance than anything on wheels or treads. But when the War Council gets to see a new heavy legs unit put their foot straight through the top of a tank, it shakes the part of their brain that worries about money. I like to think the first mech field test was sort of like when the military first got real hot and bothered for helicopters back on Earth. They want the slick new stuff, who cares what it costs?
>Mechs are the standard-bearers, the cavalry, and the commanders all in one. Being taller means overlapping fields of fire with shorter vehicles, better top kill and defilade, and less trouble with comms in dense urban areas on account of the antennae height. Put them hull down ("kneeling") and you've got great defensive fire, perfect for covering infantry and powersuits.
>Despite how long mechs have played an active role in combat and police work, there's a segment of the Brass that still argues against them hard. They're "walking targets" that are "too expensive to maintain" and "damage roads and infrastructure because they don't broadly distribute their weight." Ok maybe some of that's true, but bureaucrats don't know what a psych-out it is to get stared down by a heavy. Gets you that fear deep in your reptile brain, sympathetic nervous system response. Also the part that worries about money.
based brigador chad
>A Novo Solo variant on the basic pattern of powersuit/heavy lifter that's served all over the outer colonies. The average NEP Mongoose, or Mog, has been decommissioned, retrofitted, rebuilt, scrapped, demilitarized and recommissioned so many times they have a bad reputation with recruits. Even after a complete rebuild, the cranial jack tends to retain... a certain personality, let's say. Rookie Mog drivers would call it a ghost, but that's being dramatic about issues with biofeedback. Tough, versatile, the Mog is the backbone of mechanized infantry, and so ubiquitous that 'mog' became a catch-all for powersuits as a whole. They may just be so much scrap underfoot of a Touro, but coordinated attacks from an entire squad is no joke.
love that heap of junk
Brigador 2 when?
a while off by the looks of it but on the bright side we'll be getting a new MAVS soundtrack and Buckmaster book
Brigador is a really good game but i lost all interest when i saw that shitty fetish bot that stomps people with high heels. I like my TnA like every other red blooded man but i dont need a mech with tits.
Brigador Spacers are a hyper-rich, eccentric Chaotic Evil pirates/raiders who live in space and come down to wreck havoc. They have the best tech in the setting and they use it in some unorthodox ways.
The giant lady mech isn't even in the Brigador 1. It's planned for Killers.
brigabased
>that dakka
Which mech is that?
It's Zollig with dual Banshees. I'm playing with Brig'ardcore mod tho, it adds a bunch of mechs and weapons and changes Banshee from hitscan to projectile. Also gives every player mech less health/shield (essentially giving them NPC values).
There's a Steam guide on how to mod the game and here's a list of mods:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1slRY-3nxwAa8JyVoBMbFFunF7GUA4lY1uDuaQXNte70/edit#gid=1142577319
>Brig'ardcore
I got filtered from trying to install this mod before. Seeing what it does to one of the best weapons in game I might need to try it again.
I feel like proj Banshees are less unique, but they sure a hell are stronger now. They used to be kind of a niche weapon, super great for swatting flies but needed help vs. tougher opponents. Now they feel like Konigs with twice the ammo.
Enemies with Banshees are much scarier too. The AI doesn't fire in bursts in Brig'ardcore, once they see you they just open up and keep firing.
Still can't believe how good the audiobook was
it is a shame that this game made no money
It made money eventually.
thats good!
The justification for mechs is that they are the best option within the new war framework and objectives (maximize civilian retention and minimize material loss across multiple fronts).
The setting, especially post Clan Invasion admits that they could just glass planets but that the practice is reductive and you end up king of the ash pile. So Mechs were used as heavy platforms to shock and awe planets into submission which worked until, as you imply the costing, production complexity, and maintenance put all of the known world into a state of attrition effectively forcing nations into honour dueling over a planet because they couldn't spare more than a few lances for garrison per planet. Mechs can be used in any environment effectively which tanks and hovercraft cannot. They're particularly tied to atmosphere and geology which changes from planet to planet. A mech is a cover all with the tonnage to overwhelm - which is all you need in what amounts to wars with the participant count of skirmishes.
When proper total war resurges, along with manufacturing and research, it's back to combined arms combat again relying heavily on armour and aerospace. Then the clans make infantry viable again too.
Mechs were only as prime as the lore and cultures in the setting allow themselves to believe in two eras: peak Starleague as urban suppression fighting insurgents and rebels and between the third and fourth succession wars.
If they become practically relevant beyond CI I wouldn't know yet. I hear it's all back to basics come Dark Age (thanks WoB).
Hell even the clanners are forced to start using total war tactics and combined arms by tukayyid which completely up ends their sensibilities.
Battletech is pretty much the only Mech Universe that makes sense. In my opinion.
They can operate independently, they can work in pretty much any terrain, they do not need to be fueled like most tanks/APC's/Helios ect, they only need one pilot(two if you're using command modules to coordinate lances,or training), and they have an intimidation factor that nothing else quite has on a battlefield. They can also be exceptionally fast, and durable and their multi-role ability is unrivaled.
It also helps that in the Battletech Universe, aircraft, aerospace fighters, space ships, infantry, and ground vehicles also have their own place and are not ignored. It all helps facilitate that mechs are a tool, and not an end all be all.
>all these (you)s trying to justify it
Mechas are cool looking. Not everything in fiction has to be practical
A lot of tech in science fiction is unrealistic anyway. WW2 dogfighting in space or star trek space battles are about as realistic as gundam battles.
I always thought AI controlled drone swarms fighting at millions of kilometers in scale would be how space battles would actually go.
>Mechas are cool looking.
No they aren't.
>Not everything in fiction has to be practical
have a nice day, troglodyte. Anti-intellectualism is a disease that needs to be purged.
>No they aren't.
Silence
They aren't. The very conceit is nonsensical, and there's nothing cool about stupid shit.
>admitting to being a fascist
Retard.
kys yourself
>No they aren't.
To you. Coolness is literally an undefinable metric
>have a nice day, troglodyte. Anti-intellectualism is a disease that needs to be purged.
Is Deus Ex a shit game because the gameplay is impractical/unrealistic? Because one man killing a bunch of soldiers and then recovering in seconds with medkits is unrealisitc.
>To you. Coolness is literally an undefinable metric
You realize you're just admitting to being a retarded child, right?
>Is Deus Ex a shit game because the gameplay is impractical/unrealistic?
Yes.
Good lord imagine being you
Fucking INTP goofy as
patlabor had an interesting idea with the practical use of mechs
There is no practical use for mechs, retard.
>"B-but muh anime waifu sai-ACK!"
No. Stop being stupid.
There is no video game in existence that teaches anyone how to start a fire, dumbfuck.
>There is no video game in existence that teaches anyone how to start a fire, dumbfuck.
I love you Anon. Keep being you.
>There is no practical use for mechs, retard.
The entire concept of a walking mech is that it can handle terrain that wheeled/treaded tanks can't traverse. It's narrower frame and vertical navigation makes the concept of legged mechs factually practical in some situations (thus anons patlabor reference, where the mechs are literally just large powersuits for construction)
Just because the real world hasn't managed to handle the speed and balance problem yet, doesn't mean that bipedal mechs are flawed inherently.
Of course they would be worse at direct combat than putting the resources into a tank and just slapping a giant gun on it.
>BUT MUH ANIME WAIFU SAI-ACK!!!
Not even reading any of that bullshit. There is NO practical use for mechs. Period. Fuck you and stop being stupid.
As you can see from the post above me, feeding the obvious troll is not a good idea.
You guys are retards for interacting with him for this long. I doubt he believes literally anything he said.
>Of course they would be worse at direct combat than putting the resources into a tank and just slapping a giant gun on it.
No, they would be better. The very fact that they can easily go where wheels and treads cannot means they have an opportunity to enhance the outer layers of the defense onion, namely to be able to engage on their own terms more often and from a greater variety of positions.
You mine an open field and line it with dragon's teeth because that's where the tanks will go. You booby trap and presight the bridge because that's the only place the wheeled vehicles can cross the river. If you are up against a force with mechs, now you have to mine the forests, the banks of every river, the craggy hills, the steep mountainsides, the deep valleys with no road down or up, and everywhere in between. Just their mere existence would be an incalculable additional strain on logistics and requiring enough people to train a gun on every conceivable approach, whether they are actually deployed or not. You can normally ignore or give only modest attention to infantry trying to cross such places, but you can't ignore the mech squads camping in the mountain forest using tank cannons like sniper rifles.
I am smarter than you and better than you. I
construction machinery crime is on the rise so in order to fight back against criminals the police must operate their own fleet of killdozers?
why have a bipedal robot if it’s just gonna be fat and lame? Either have Armored Core anime speeding or stick to tanks.
idk man you’d expect a big thing to move slowly with lotta weight like irl you know
the thing just feels way too vulnerable for being so slow and sluggish. Nothing’s ever gonna beat treads when it comes to mobility, and if something is, it’s gonna be some quad legged frame for max stability
You're thinking to earthside. There are tonnes of places on earth were armour isn't fit to fuck with and there are entire planets like that in lore. There are also asteriods and moons too. A mech can climb a mountain, ford a river and leap a crevasse. When the terrain you're operating on is far more variable (along with the atmosphere) they make a bit more sense.
If you're going to sperg, don't sperg about armour, which is easily refuted, speg about aerospace and warships.
my point was that it’s never gonna be a biped. look at the animal kingdom and realize that it’s just one species that’s biped because of how costly it is.
>that it’s just one species that’s biped
no the other apes aren’t really bipeds
>other apes
You're too retarded. I'm sorry.
dumb gay, maybe don’t talk in puzzles? spit it out
birds
kangaroos
a good chunk of dinosaurs
flight + lightweight skeleton
tail + front limbs support
even bigger tail
moving the goalposts?
not moving any goalposts, humans are the only true bipeds on earth, with all the balancing being done through the brain.
>humans are the only true bipeds on earth, with all the balancing being done through the brain.
As opposed to what? Naturally evolved gyroscopes?
well if you need a massive tail to sustain your bipedality that’s just sidestepping the issue of just having two front legs
>goes from bipeds to quads
>doesnt know about all the quad legged animals that have almost no tails at all
Bro, your argument doesn't work. Just drop it.
Penguins are bipedal.
Every single bird is bipedal. It may be more correct to say that humans are the only humanoid design on the planet, completely flat bodied rearward-bending middle-leg-joint with no fixed tail or hunched over torso. If we want to have a counterweight while leaning forward we use a leg to act as a pseudo-tail (pirouette) or alternatively an arm or two. Many mammals can stand on their hind legs to approximate a humanoid but are not optimized for it and can never really walk properly, even though some disabled animals missing their front legs can still learn to walk well enough on two legs to survive.
>flight
Pengiuns, Cassowaries, Emus
swimmers, dinosaurs
>dinosaurs
And?
they’re using their body to balance, they’re essentially a cantilever
Holy fucking cope. They don't have giant tails, brah. You're retarded. Also there are plenty of 'bird' mechs in BT. Not all are humanoid.
I very much doubt bird mechs would ever sell. People are into mechs for the humanoids
There are a tonne and some are poster children for their eras. Like, oh, I don't know the most iconic clanner mech. I hate talking with retards.
no one knows shit about your obscure autist niche, retard. post pics
>avian designs will never be popular
>they already are
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE no one cares and also post pics
So I googled "most popular clan mechs" just to see how fucking hard it would be for you to feed yourself instead of spoonfeeding you
https://www.sarna.net/news/your-favorite-clan-omni-mechs-of-all-time/
>came up within the first three results
Lmao. 4/5 are reverse joint. 2/5 are winged designs.
The Timberwolf is probably the single most iconic western mech.
I’d expect a lot of things in media to work differently if they slavishly obeyed the principles of reality, but that makes for boring as shit content so thankfully they don’t. Stop crying and get into some Japanese mecha.
It looks cool when it walks.
hell yeah
Especially when it's big and stompy.
And mechs shouldn't fly (why even have those legs dangling below you if you just fly everywhere?) except possibly something like a rocket assisted jump to get up a cliff or over a wall.
Just give me a mech with a big gun on it and I'm happy.
It's dead, anon.
Is that a heckin w*man in my vidya
Literally unplayable
honestly yeah
you’d think there would be a battletech movie or two at this point
because western mecha is even more retarded than japanese mecha
>it doesn't have fushiyaki samakaki katana beams and nubile, underage, mentally ill girl pilots in skintight suits therefore it's even more retarded
(you)
Hey I wouldn't mind if Epstein bought Hawken
>it doesn't have cheeseburgers, heart disease, sanctioned transgender pedophilia, extreme economic disparity between the rich and poor, homelessness, an entire generation of kids who cannot afford to buy a house and start a family, anti-terror security theater, laziness, selfishness, race wars, or a two-party system puppeted by communist academics and foreign oligarchs. It's more retarded
>>it doesn't have cheeseburgers, heart disease, sanctioned transgender pedophilia, extreme economic disparity between the rich and poor, homelessness, an entire generation of kids who cannot afford to buy a house and start a family, anti-terror security theater, laziness, selfishness, race wars, or a two-party system puppeted by communist academics and foreign oligarchs. It's more retarded
Nice pic of yourself, no takebacks
Yes, I'm europistani and I look like this, and shitpost like this. My tiny dick makes me envy americhads so I also spam BBC threads.
Yes.
you just wouldn't get it
Yup! This is why I'm making a fast paced mecha beat em up where the mc is a cute dragon girl with small boobs in a highleg thong leotard piloting suit.
>small boobs
Will not even pirate
Don't worry! While this is a game made for small boob lovers, I'm planning on including a tech-witch assistant with cowtits, and an april-o-neil reporter girl with massive cleavage.
"Fat or flat' is the guiding philosophy.
Unless the MC has decent knockers then it aint worth my time! If i wanted to look at females with child like bodies. I would go to my local elementary school!
But the MC would face away from camera..
But the fact that she looks like an underdeveloped child will still be a thing. I dont care if she is a billion years old or some shit. NO TITS = NO PLAY! I dont wanna look at some dumb kid!
interesting...
Thank you! My main goal is a game where there's a sort of fighting game-esque symmetry between players and bosses / mid-tier enemies, where you both have directional blocking, dashes, can clash attacks, and telegraphed attacks (all attacks being blockable on reaction unlike old beat em ups). It's coming along!
To be fair I go for "small" rather than "flat". Ideal size for me is "big enough to be round and perky, but small enough to have zero sag and maintain and overall slender and delicate body silhouette". She might have a teensy bit of smol underboob.
Also for concept art I've been urging artist RECENTLY to give her really wide hips for a pear shape. I like pear shapes.
We're gonna have an animated portrait on the hud so you can see cute reactions during fights!
>girl MC
Dropped. I rather be a manly man piloting a mecha instead. Cute girl MCs are better suited for stuff like motorcycle racing games where you can stare at their gigantic fat ass straddling a kawasaki.
I definitely understand, anon. I also like hotblooded masculine shouting in my super robot anime. There's a part of me that's been tempted to consider adding an alternate or unlockable male protaganist, but I haven't had much inspiration yet.
I like to think that the mech itself brings the manliness, and that there should be a fun contrast between the cute heroine and the imperious giant robot guardian angel. Especially since I'm kind of going the Big O kind of route and subtly implying there's a kind of sentience to it that watches over her.
That's okay, thank you for the interest anon!
Hmmm, unfortunately no, though I've wanted to make an SRPG for ages (ever since FE x SMT turned out not to be an srpg, actually...really really want to make a demon summoning / fusing srpg sometime).
Which one is that? Sounds familiar, but not sure. I'll definitely give the author a follow if it's cute!
Anyone who thinks a robot pilot can only be a man isn't showing proper respect to gunbuster and can be comfortably ignored.
>Which one is that? Sounds familiar, but not sure. I'll definitely give the author a follow if it's cute!
I don't know it's name actually which is why I asked to see if I could get it by asking you since your artstyle looked a bit like his sketches in my shoddy memory. Pic related is a sketch from the dev if it can be reverse image searched or recognized by anybody here.
Cool sprite btw
Cute! I really like the one on that knight girl. Highleg is justice. Shame, can't find it either. I'll have to keep an eye out if I ever see this one floating around.
And thanks, anon!
it's funny because op's mech is one of the designs they copied from anime
I've always seen it as the other way around. It feels like everyone in the west who's not deep in the /m/ hole is scared of liking more fantastical mecha action. Everything has to be "real robots" and "weighty" and steeped in mil-sci autism or you're afraid you'll look like a child for liking cool robots doing cool things on big scale.
Honestly what's even the point of having jet propelled super powered steel gods of mass destruction if you're going to be so fucking boring about it. Take the super robot pill.
I like both weighty and speedy mechs. I just don't like 90% of anime aesthetics on mechs.
Their has to be some realism to it. Otherwise I'm just watching two kids bash toys against each other.
>Their has to be some realism to it.
There needs to be the same amount of "realism" to it as in any fantasy or sci-fi scenario: which is to say that the internal logic of the story needs to be consistent...but otherwise there's no need to conform to any established laws of physics, etc. beyond what looks cool and feels cool.
If you show me a giant planet sized robot made out of exotic jello anti-matter and thus weighs less than a peanut and can move at light speed by phasing in and out of dimensions, than that's perfectly permissible as anything else in fiction.
>Otherwise I'm just watching two kids bash toys against each other.
Man too self conscious to enjoy cool things you hate to see it.
Just admit you watch it for the pretty colors already. Holy shit that's retarded.
On a broad sense, what opened my eyes to the genre was the scale, sense of destruction, the sense of empowerment and climactic catharsis of getting in the big robot when shit hits the fan. Plus I'm a guy who likes fantasy and mystical stuff so the kind of mystical and godlike presence of super robots appeals to me, especially in shows that leverage enigmatic origins and classical pulp sci-fi trippiness or fantasy themes.
That and they look cool. And the girls are hot. And honestly most of the classic shows are really good and have great plots and characters and were influential on so much in jap vidya and anime.
Regardless, reddit "what about muh HECKIN' laws of physics!!!" fags should be strapped to a chair with their eyelids forced open and forced to watch all 50 episodes of GaoGaiGar + the Final OVA.
I think there's also the human element to it: Sure jets and tanks and spaceship battles are cool and all, but man-made giants that can do lasers and flight and maybe some human maneuverability are just as cool to think about
Yeah the designer of the original Gundam pretty evocatively said in an interview how "The Gundam is a character, not a weapon. It holds a sword and does cool poses."
>Mechwarrior as an IP
God damn you're a fucking retard. The IP is called Battletech. Mechwarrior is a spinoff that no one cares about because the meat and potatoes is tactics and mercenary RP not live action shit.
>BT
>slow and stompy
Sounds like you've never read the books. With a decent Neurohelmet and a good pilot they move near as fluidly as a human being able to pull off all sorts of spastic acrobatics like rolls and tackles. People just don't often bother because fucking it up mid combat leaves you open to getting your shit kicked in.
Multiple societies have multiple philosophies describing the moment where mech and man become one and their idealised methods for reaching that state.
Do any of the Mechwarrior/battletech vidya incorporate the melee stuff from tabletop game?
MW has melee. So does BT. The BT mods give you full Solaris 7 tier options and make melee one of the best options so long as your pilot is sufficiently speced and you're using them well.
Mechwarrior 5 does AS FUCKING DLC
Melee is free, melee weapons are DLC.
Japan does stompy robots the most too, "western mech" doesn't exist other than to indicate a shitty knockoff.
>Japan does stompy robots the most
examples of stompy japanese robot games released in the last 5 years?
Normies already cannot relate to walker machines because they are faceless and unemotional, but their "other human" recognition routines can still relate to a walker that moves quickly because they can pretend those are just flying capeshit heroes in stiff suits. Slow walkers are on the complete opposite end of the spectrum and it triggers some deep unsettlement in them because it looks like a living legged creature but doesn't move or act like one at all.
A reasonable thing to evolve in nature but it also means that franchises like BT are doomed to be truly niche. They were mainstream once because the proportion of NPCs was lower and the only people who actually used their computers to play games were "nerds", but not anymore.
Western mecha is dead anyway. It was only good when Battletech was blatantly copying japanese designs (the new copyright friendly art direction is so fucking soulless, such as OP's pic, the panel line spam is so aggrevating, especially on round designs like those of Madcat or Raven). A couple indie wargaming games also do it well I guess, in the retrofuture-WW1/2 style, but that's it.
MechCommander (the first) and Mechwarrior 2-3 were the peak, 4 was meh, rest isn't even worth mentioning.
Things are so bad that a shameless Bandai-fucking-Namco gacha cancer game has more SOVL than anything else out there
giant bipeds worked for for tends of million of years
>pacific rim
>western mecha
>magic swords
it's weeaboo shit in disguise
even some weaboo shit are better at depicting "western" mecha than this shit
Honestly it’s quite incredible that a dinosaur the size of Tyrannosaurus rex was actually bipedal and not quadrupedal
The fuck are you jabbering about?
B*ts. Ignore them.
it needed a giant mass of muscle tail, otherwise completely pointless, to balance itself. it was a retarded design, and it went extinct the nanosecond push came to shove
To be fair, that argument applies to any animal that can’t hide in a hole and eat trash
my argument is that a bipedal frame is extremely resource intensive because it is unstable
Well, can’t disagree with that
This is a very funny post considering it was written by a biped who is one of the apex predators on this planet.
it worked well enough for it to evolve over a million years before the ice age killed everything
Well. he's not wrong but it only applies to superhero shit and tranime. Mechs are the thinking man's cartoon.
Why is op screaming about cartoons on a Mongolian basket weaving forum anyhow?
Are you trying to make yourself feel important by telling others how to live thus giving yourself the illusion of importance and authority?
Your logic is flawed besides the point.
It claims the medium is made for a specific audience independent of content.
That's foolish.
Would you say the same about books, movies or television?
No?
Then you already lost your own argument.
Any medium can include any type of content, and various age groups can enjoy it too.
Did you stop loving your favorite food when you hit that magical and arbitrary age of "18"? If not, then you're a hypocrite.
A robot is probably the best fuck this guy's wife ever had.
Why are young adults so fucking obsessed with being "adult" and thinking it means you should be a stuck-up anti-fun douche that never enjoyd anything and hates fun?
Boomers are not like this, my parents their friends have zero problem with joking around and being silly or playful, yet guys turn 21 and think it means you have to be a boring douche
1) I'm in my thirties, retard.
2) You really shouldn't be bragging that both you and your parents are brainless consoomers with no intellectual standards.
My father is a well-off and very respected man that worked for decades in the construction field and is frequently demanded for his expertise, and my mother is a teacher(retired) and also respected. Neither are boring douches with a broom up the ass like you, but keep venting out your frustrations from your shitty office job online by bragging what a mature grown-up you are to random autists on an anime forum.
>blah blah blah
Do either of your parents like mechs? If so, they are failures as human beings, and so are you.
Good luck getting a job with such childish hobbies, retard.
Just gonna post this and let you reflect on your post
You're a kissless virgin who thinks hating on fiction is an interesting personality trait.
The most important thing a kid (should) learn at some point early during childhood is "being an adult" is a complete joke. The very notion of "growing up" is a farce. Unless a given individual is going through the motions "Because that's what they THINK they should be, instead of, actually being a real human being", whatever person they were before some arbitrary point in time after birth, they will be after. Especially if they have enough cash and resources that they don't have to worry about the "living" part of life. It's why you see this the most with politicians and 'elites', the more cash you have, the more immaturity you can make obvious and not give a shit.
>"Being immature is good, actually!"
You are why the planet is melting, and humanity is doomed to a slow extinction. Anti-intellectualism has made it impossible to solve the world's problems.
have a nice day, shill.
>Anti-intellectualism
Most people call that escapism, which is exactly what most hobby are.
You also fail to realize that pushing for """realism""" where people dont want it is what killed western games and that most people are and will be bad at science no matter what.
>escapism is being retarded on purpose
Marche was right. Break that delusional little brat's legs a second time. Jesus fucking Christ.
>You also fail to realize that pushing for """realism""" where people dont want it is what killed western games and that most people are and will be bad at science no matter what.
A BLOO HOO HOO, MUH VIDEO GAMES!!! Make people get a fucking education first so we can prevent the apocalypse, you stupid piece of shit.
>escapism is being retarded on purpose
Yes, unironically.
Watching a movie or reading a book wont solve any of your IRL issues.
>Marche was right. Break that delusional little brat's legs a second time.
He was right because the brat was trying to turn the entire world into his own delusion but you conveniently forget that Marche himself had a lot of fun in this fantasy world before that.
>A BLOO HOO HOO, MUH VIDEO GAMES!!!
It's literally the name of the board dumbass.
>Make people get a fucking education first so we can prevent the apocalypse, you stupid piece of shit.
You're literally an old man yelling at clouds, the people who can actually change influence people would rather work for more morons and trannies.
And everyone getting an education wouldnt change things by much in a money-driven world.
>Watching a movie or reading a book wont solve any of your IRL issues.
I think this might be the dumbest thing ever typed on a keyboard.
Shut the fuck up, you are literally virtue signalling like a woman here. All you do is bitch and cry, without doing anything on your own to even follow your own supposed beliefs and examples. That is sloth.
Anon, I'm pretty sure he's a troll and just baiting. Don't feed 'em.
>no argument
We're all going to die because you just HAVE to have your idiotic children's toys. have a nice day.
>Watching a movie or reading a book wont solve any of your IRL issues.
Reading a goddamn textbook might be a decent start, retard.
>Marche himself had a lot of fun in this fantasy world before that.
Then he's a hypocrite who deserves a bullet.
>Reading a goddamn textbook might be a decent start, retard.
If they want to improve themselves and the world, they should be reading Bibles and burning textbooks.
>retard unironically thinks there's any value in a collection of sociopathic ramblings by dirt farming primitives
have a nice day.
>using a literal pedophile as an avatar
Maybe you should just shut the fuck up.
>have a nice day
I'd say the same to you, but it's a mortal sin to encourage other people to sin (suicide) so I'll just say I hope you one day disabuse yourself of your delusions.
>Reading a goddamn textbook might be a decent start, retard.
And literally no one read a textbook for fun during his free time.
>Then he's a hypocrite who deserves a bullet.
And so you are by spending your time on an anonymous imageboard.
Dont you have a textbook to study?
So do you think a video game can solve your IRL issues?
>And literally no one read a textbook for fun during his free time.
They should. They should be made to.
>And so you are by spending your time on an anonymous imageboard.
Dont you have a textbook to study?
I'm not in any position to fix the world, dumbass.
>They should. They should be made to.
Damn, that's tyranny then.
>I'm not in any position to fix the world
So you want to force people to study by force but refuse to apply that rule to yourself? You're a goddamn hypocrite.
"Rules for thee but not for me"
>Damn, that's tyranny then.
Call it what you like, but it's the only think that'll actually work in the end.
Again, I am not in any position of power or authority. Even if I cram so hard and become super knowledgeable, the fuck am I supposed to do? Best I can do is tell others that they're wasting their time on frivolous bullshit.
>Call it what you like, but it's the only think that'll actually work in the end.
Oh, I actually agree with you on that point, literally every country in the world is moving toward that goal.
>Again, I am not in any position of power or authority. Even if I cram so hard and become super knowledgeable, the fuck am I supposed to do?
The vast, overwhelming majority of people are literally in the same situation, I dont know why you think otherwise.
>Best I can do is tell others that they're wasting their time on frivolous bullshit.
"""Sending a message"""" is easy but you're still not applying to yourself the rules you're pushing in the end.
If I don't know how to start a fire, and a video game is quite literally a tutorial on fire starting. I mean I'll just leave my response at that.
Media exists for many reasons gay. Written/spoken language is THE best invention humanity has ever created and cannot ever be topped.
The overwhelming majority of movie/book destined for escapism dont teach any skill at all.
The technical one do but no one read that for fun.
The overwhelming majority of media teaches skill interwoven with escapism.
So what skill does a recent Disney movie teach you?
Fire+Water=Steam
That's not a skill, that's basic knowledge at most.
Childrens media.
That still not make it into a skill.
You now know how to create steam, which is a skill, congrats.
It isnt, that's knowledge, not a skill.
Creating steam is a skill, knowing how to do has been parsed from media, what more needs to be explained?
Reading a fighting manga wont actually teach you how to fight, you gain no skill by reading them because you actually need to practise if you want to learn how to fight.
At the very best, you will learn knowledge that you wont be able to use because you dont know how to fight but knowledge doesnt equate to skill.
Please stop, I don't want to argue with you about the semantics of the words "skill" and "knowledge" and how you somehow think they don't equate.
I literally gave you an example of why they dont.
He seems a little steamed
Knowledge is what you need to know to act properly, skill is being able to act with knowledge. Please just stooooooooooooooop. This is fucking torture.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!.
But knowledge acquired through practise is more valuable than the one you get from reading manga, which is the entire point of the discussion.
But it is still knowledge? Yes?! Just different quantities!
>And literally no one read a textbook for fun during his free time.
I did. I just like math problems
Why would anyone care what borderline cavemen who stone each other think?
HBS wanted to be super inclusive and made your chief engineer a raghead woman (what house is she even supposed to be?), but they also gave her tattoos to show she's hip and "with it".
And OP is wondering why Battletech's repudation is tarnished.
Pretty sure they're ment to be some literally whos Aurigan Reach and not one of the Great Houses.
apparently she's from Marik space
she's also divorced and a double PhD
>mariks literally civil war over religious freedom
>dude haha fuck my religion it's just an aesthetic
No wonder she's in Aurigia. Frankly there's way more to complain about there. The HBS lore sucks. Lotta fucking mechs for a periphery state.
She’s comstar retards
You do know that religion and all that isnt dead or anything in BT, right? Hell, every faction has all kinds of races and creeds living together and paling around. One periphery nation even has actual monster girls in it. So you whining about inclusiveness means you know jackshit about the setting.
all of space is a bunch of remixed cultures. its why theres a whole region that are japanese/swedes, and theres a business caliphate in there as well. everyone is everyone is everyone.
i'm not even saying Muslims don't exist in Battletech, they do
but it's not hard to see how a fat brown doctor scientist engineer would cause a few eyerolls
It is hard to see anon, battletech has a literal pacifist Indian faction, and a literal Viking Trader faction, they even have Irish people larping as Romans.
They have absolutely everything, if you want to be mad about that character in a legitimate fashion, then you would've picked up on the fact that she is implied to be a Comstar Plant on your crew to track the Argo due to its Lostech status.
When the FUCK was that implied? NTA
In the campaign she mentions that she studied Star League Era technology, and that she has an intimate knowledge base of Dropships.
The Argo is not just a regular dropship, plus she was the only member of the entire original engineering team that survived, and she got the argo running in less than a year after it had been sat on a moon for over three hundred years completely forgotten, she's most likely a ROM agent planted aboard the Argo. Keep in mind, she's one of the last crew members who shows up, the others were there already.
Some of the things she talks about having information about is flat out stuff that during that era, only Comstar knows ago. So there are people who think she's a plant, i myself also agree with that assessment
I rather just think HBS has no grasp on the lore - which is evidenced by the sheer saturation of mechs in The Reach.
>ROM plant
For literally what purpose. Comstar doesn't fuck around with uncertainties, certainly not in this era. Please justify to me why she hasn't killed everyone in their sleep and stolen the ship, detonated the ship after dropping on the jag or hell had the team take a bad contract and get jumped and ransomed for the ship.
There's no fucking way comstar would be fine with people having Lostech like that. They certainly wouldn't fucking fix it for them. Do you also think the duke or w/e that could crack codes was an adept? How many Thomas Maricks do you think there are?
The Argo is one singular ship that under a merc company is going to be running around pretty much everywhere dealing with pretty much anyone, and if Comstar has a trusted person aboard, they get all kinds of information.
The ship itself is so fucked up and broken there's nothing directly worth salvaging aboard it for their own purposes, and the unique stuff that is there, well their chief engineer is literally aboard feeding them information about it. The argo itself as a design sure, is lostech, but everything in it is trashed, non functional and broken, the campaign has you literally fixing everything about it,
Additionally about the mechs, well yeah there are more than there should be for the era, but a battletech game without mechs would be boring, so that is truly something you just have to accept for the sake of the game itself.
>and if Comstar has a trusted person aboard, they get all kinds of information.
They still run the mercs at this point to say nothing of the HPGs. Not sure what info they'd be getting. If it's info on the ship then again, she could find a way to take it from them. I just don't see the benefit for them versus the potential damage a kitted out Lostech ship getting into circulation (and possibly to Davion) balancing.
>yeah but fun
They could set it anywhere else doing anything else. They could have added armour, which both BTA and RT do to great effect. That way having a full lance would mean something when you're going up a bunch of augmented lances who, while having better mechs than you, can't field full compliments. Armour was made to be job fodder.
>if Comstar has a trusted person aboard, they get all kinds of information
Comstar runs literally all interstellar communications and the MRB. They are replete with info.
The ROM plant thing is just HBS covering their ass because they legit have a worse grasp on the setting than PGI does.
One person with a brain in the thread.
It's certainly up there.
yeah ok but get this. I don't care if you have your kuritas or your liao-davions. I just hate muslims and don't want to see them in my video games. simple as.
You're looking at her like that, I'm seeing a fucking dude with an old woman's clothing. Looks nasty as shit and I refused to even look up the game now, just because of how ugly this looks.
In addition to that, I'm an expert on this topic due to my Mudslime roots. No Muslim women is supposed to show off their arms. Look it up, "Muslim lady/women": you will see them showing off their hair before arm, and they won't wear such a tight fitting/boy's shirt. So OOPS, I guess all this talk of diversity is a moot point I guess, cause apparently my mom, sisters, friends and wife looks like ugly man things that didn't even obey the very basics of Islam's clothing rules.
Let me end this with saying that Saddam Hussein and his goons were a more accurate picture of Mudslimes than this image (and what I suspect of the character) ever will be.
Nulore says the dracs aren't even ethnically jp outside of their ruling class now. Which is funny because there are march worlds in the first GDL trilogy which hate asians because of snakes and filthy Liao. And because draks were immediately treating orphan Kell as gaijin because he wasn't jp. Almost like mandates have fucked everything into the ground.
>Battletech started being developed around 1984
>Ford and GM actually exist in Battletech lore as serious unironic future megacorps
>Detroit is also frequently mentioned
Gee why would losing their status as a serious car manufacturer country make Americans turn away from giant stompybots space adventure futures and into some depressing inwardly focused big-tech privacy invading meme cyberpunk dystopia instead?
I don't think I can go back to Mechwarrior 5 after Armored Core 6, sorry
git gud mecha shits
Since amoured core 6 is a success and current VR control is million miles better than kinect, I think it's time for FromSoftware to reboot Steel Battalion for slow mech fans.
nah. Capcom wouldn't allow it after the last one.
Hopefully they won’t mash it up with one of their other franchises. I don’t want yet another dreg heap situation a la AC6.
>muh Western mecha abloo bloo bloo
>posts design licensed from Macross
Fuck I love Macross. It should have become the central pillar, that or Votoms. I fucking hate gundam.
Same, SDF Macross, DYRL, and Macross Plus are the peak for me, along with Patlabor. I still like Gundam though, mostly the UC stuff and G Gundam. All the other alt universes like Seed and Wing are absolute trash. For me Gundam really shines in the side material like Sentinel and Advance of Zeta.
No opinion on Votoms/Mellowlink?
It’s great, haven’t watched it in years though. Currently dying in the middle of a heatwave, maybe I’ll rewatch it this week.
That mecha in Macross functions like the mechs in Mechwarrior. It's only the VF transformers that are super robos in Macross.
If a westerner does anything too much like anime then weeb westerners will turn on them and hate what they make even if it's just as good as what a mid-tier Japanese puts out.
Given that western comics are fucking dead, video games, movies, books all unhealthy and literally everyone's an ironic weeb nowadays things are looking pretty grim for western sci-fi.
our generation has spent all this time absorbing Japanese media tropes that we can't freely apply to our own works.
Like people on /a/ have occasional threads where they imagine their creative ideas for an anime plot or isekai story or whatever, yet can't imagine expressing similar stories using their own native culture.
It really feels like we've creatively cucked ourselves.
That just means they’re not good at synthesis. Ironic considering that’s exactly what Miyazaki, Kojima and other Japanese creators do - synthesise what’s familiar to them from Japanese media culture with themes and iconography from Western cultures.
I think the secret is to fearlessly not give a fuck what your peers think.
>implying I wouldn't be fine with non-bipedal mechas
it looks gay and lame
armored core wins again in this department
yiff in hell
>For instance Pacific Rim
Was boring as shit.
As a mech fan I was surprised how could you make mech vs monster movie this fucking boring.
Mechs are an inherently stupid genre, and history has shown that only psychos with fascist tendencies are drawn to them. Normal people who aren't constantly dreaming of shooting up a mall rightly reject these impossible asinine toys.
>history has shown that only psychos with fascist tendencies are drawn to them
Yes, thank you.
Jesus, finally some recognition.
>the nazi actually admits it
Welp.
Why would I hide it?
>why would military science fiction attract people who think soldiers and weapons and wars are cool and interesting?
so what kind of science fiction do mentally stable well adjusted normies dream of?
The kind that doesn't actively insult one's intelligence by featuring stupid shit that cannot exist.
Like race-mixing aliens?
Because MW is shit, with slow fat mechs that are controlled as farming equipment. Neet customization though
You know that anon is schiozidng about muh realism/practically of war, but I always thought the controls for mechas were the most unbelievable part. How can you setup a body's movement that can quickly communicate to the rest of the mecha's body information? A mecha isn't just a human being, you can't Ctrl-C Ctrl-V human's walking patterns to a giant and expect him to work.
If you expect all you're going to do is walking/slashing/shooting, then it's not too different to imagine set patterns being installed and executed by controls like in a video game. But it's the more complex and improvisational acts like grabbing stuff that are difficult to see.
Personally I really do like the magical psychic brain link with pilot stuff, but that's my preference for sci-fantasy speaking again anyway.
That's actually a really good way to think about it. If mechas are used as a more of a calvary style for example, I can imagine them working. Thanks anon
> A mecha isn't just a human being, you can't Ctrl-C Ctrl-V human's walking patterns to a giant and expect him to work.
At least in the Battletech setting it literally is. Mechs use human pilots because they can't build a computer to balance them and instead use the human brain to control them.
I really wish MW5 was made by competent devs like AC6
I still prefer mw5 but holy fuck it's dog shit
>competent devs like AC6
AHYUKHAHAHAHAHA
autistic screeching is not an argument, you nonce
Ok.
From is as far removed from competent as possible.
There's your argument, homo 🙂
nonsensical contrarianism
nonsensical autism
there is zero love in mw5, it is a soulless husk of a game, barely propped up by inexplicably dedicated modders
That doesn't make from competent, it seems you don't understand what the argument here is 🙂
>:)
simply epic, i too love to trole and ironic shitposting!!!!111 xd
Get fucking destroyed by the classiest emoticon of them all, the undisputed king >:D
ToT
>ToT
There's little to none in AC6, so what even is your point?
A fresh example is how they released a balance patch and couldn't even implement regulation switching like in gen 4-5; they just don't give a shit.
Because western mechs are boring and gay and the people who like them are insufferable fun hating autists.
Even japs love western mechs
Educate me on some good mecha games. I only played Shogun.
Zone of The Enders 1 & 2 are masterpieces of flashy fun action and do things well that even modern character action games fail at. Not just among my favorite mecha games ever, but action games ever. Ignore people who say skip the first game, the first is a little unpolished but has some unique things and charm of its own and both are short enough that it's worth playing them together.
Armored Core 6, obviously.
Armored Warriors, Cyberbots, and Tech Romancer are a trio of late 90's Capcom beat em ups and fighting games that are filled with charm and quite fun and unique to play.
Assault Suits Valken is also a classic for sidescrolling action that captures the weighty feel of Votoms. The spiritual fan sequel Gigantic Army is even tighter gameplay wise if lacking the aesthetic punch of the original.
Baldr Sky is a visual novel that has a surprisingly cool top down hack and slash action game mode for battles.
Also my game when it comes out!
Oh and I forgot Titanfall 2. I only played the campaign of the second one and didn't finish it but it was fucking fun. Need to finish that one.
>Also my game when it comes out!
Is there a place to keep track of it? The design of your heroine convinced me ToT
Glad you like her!! I currently have a twitter, I try to post weekly updates! Showed off some enemy design concepts this weekend!
https://twitter.com/SquireGrooktook
I dont use twitter sadly but thanks anyway.
Hope she'll have a lot of fanservice.
Say are you that guy who was working on that fire emblem with leotards game?
Mechwarrior is the gameplay equivalent of sitting in a log cabin on a stormy night
Why does the ui look so different?
What's the point of a 'big stompy mech' if a tank can do its job better? Jap mechs ironically make more sense because they out perform a tank in every way. A battletech style mech is just a big target that's going to fall over if it gets hit.
>What's the point of a 'big stompy mech' if a tank can do its job better?
It can't.
whats the point of a roomba when hoovers exist?
mecha can have arms. its the "human" factor, mgsV already covered this. and every argument ever on the mech board about exactly this.
in battletech often a tank does do the job better, mechs are basically for massive scale guerilla tactics/space paradrops/hit and runs
in a sustained battle tanks will tear them to shreds, there are billions of tanks and not that many mechs
>in a sustained battle tanks will tear them to shreds
No they don't. In sustained battles armour does hit and run tactics better than a mech because they play cautious and defend objectives or terrain areas. Because they cost less they can be deployed for more risky maneuvers. If you're lining up mechs v tanks mechs still win because you do NOT put lights in a line. No matter the author armour does best when dug in or flanking. They're like a less aggressive but more sustainable toad. You want them ambushing, dug in or working as a flank with another unit because a mech unit has to be engaged before armour.
what i meant is that everyone effectively has an endless supply of tanks and they are still very capable of damaging/destroying a mech
>everyone effectively has an endless supply of tanks
no
no?
No. The factions that have money field mechs, aeroshitters and ground assets.
Factions that don't can't afford effectively infinite amount of Demolishers or Rommels.
Armour divisions are effective and much cheaper. Pretending you can't attrition with armour is really dumb, especially when we have multiple stories of guerilla infantry winning planets by themselves and appropriating armour and mechs as they go or just doing it with armour and mechs.
>Armour divisions are effective
Require more personnel, are more susceptible to crits, can't see as effectively as mechs and have more trouble with tough terrain.
Also can't funtction underwater or space.
Personnel isn't a big deal, especially in certain eras of BT where mechs are fucking rare and cannot be fielded in large scales no matter how much money or time you have due to industrial constraints. I'm
I know their weaknesses but cost is not one of them. Having to pay a crew means fuck all especially when MW's have so much leverage that their fees pay far more than their tonnage in armour AND personnel
>Having to pay a crew
It's not about paying, it's about needing the entire crew alive/conscious for the asset to function properly.
Which is irrelevant. The asset is as fragile as the asset is. Unless you're discussing logistics or attrition I don't see the importance here.
Massed Scorpions is a viable strategy but you will always lose contested objectives to a smart mechcommander, especially one who likes his jump jets very much. This is a universe with convenient space-to-ground dropships so you cannot always rely on setting up ambushes in the most favorable ground chokepoints.
>convenient space-to-ground dropships
That get completely mauled even when screened and can't house too many fighters without ceding space to mechs and other materiel. There's a lot more balance in BT than people give credit to. Unless you're all in on an invasion even a pirate jumped drop still has to burn in and let the fighters scramble which limits their options and introduces choke points.
That is until you get wacky shit like augmented drops. Until then a regular fly by drop was hard as fuck and a sign of a veteran force. Grounding your drop is risky so you have to do it where you have a chance of defending it, even if temporarily, and that's not always where you'd prefer to have your units rally.
Oh, then yeah. Even hovers can tear shit up. The scene of the hovercraft and aero slowly picking off the Hasek loyalists on Sarna was kino and showed how even the lowliest armour can still hang with the big boys when used well.
in battletech tanks still exist
in some other mech game they can just come up with a reason why mechs are the apex all-around war machine
and it's not as though there aren't legitimate realistic reasons why that couldn't be the case given in-universe physics allowing for mechs to exist to begin with
IIRC, Mechs are used more as calvary in Battletech. They're easy to drop and are more or less self contained war machines. Tanks require crew and more stable supply lines. A single locust can make an annoyance of himself for however long the pilot can live for with just his medium laser.
Sadly no BT based game ever uses tanks properly. Though Battletech did make LRM and SRM carriers kind of scary.
>Sadly no BT based game ever uses tanks properly.
What is this a screenshot of? Yandex comes up with nothing.
Oh. The game the dipshit, talentless devs of Mechwarrior Online C&D'd.
>Battletech did make LRM and SRM carriers kind of scary.
3 LRM 20s and 10 SRM6s is going to be terrifying no matter what system you put it in.
>wow tank so amazing
You need to take the rubber road pads out, no-guns.
>noooo you can't just put a small hill / tiny depression in the road!
>the superior tank just wasn't wearing his best shoes that day!
>What's the point of a 'big stompy mech' if a tank can do its job better?
Because it's fucking cool as hell
Nobody would watch an anime about boring tanks instead of cool mechas.
Girls Und Panzer is also retarded nonsense, but for different reasons. Again, you "people" have no standards.
Because what you call "western mecha" is just Battletech, which is the result of some nerds liking Dougram and wanting to make a wargame out of it, which itselff runs the gamut on how quick their giant robots are within its own universe. When you look at western mecha properties overall they're about as varied as japanese ones are. Pacific Rim was directed by a massive weeb and drew more from japanese stuff like Mazinger than it did Battletech. As for people being original, Brigadoor is the most recent western mecha property I can think of that didn't just ape a popular anime or Battletch.
Remember, objectively speaking, the only valid piloting suit for female mecha pilots are leotards.
Its fucking on in those mechs
>western mecha
>posts a warhammer
>battletech started by taking designs from 80/90 anime
Russians created such hybrid.
Tl;Dr it sucks because they couldn't use them in a real war.
If you want a really good robot, you need new materials. That weight very small.
>western mecha
>literally macross, votoms and dougram designs
Uh huh.
I'm designing a mech for a story I'm brainstorming but it'll be at least a decade before I do anything presentable. We're out here.
>mechfags are the kind of "people" who write fanfic and try to shill it
How aggressively unsurprising.
Based. The natural progression from consuming is to producing. Passion without works is empty. It doesn't have to be perfect, it doesn't have to be good, but you do have to step forward.
i don't like gundam mechs because they look too much like actual toys but i don't like those clunky ass mechwarrior mechs either, there's no finesse to them. armored core strikes a good balance between mechs that look like they were built in a garage instead of a toy shop and typical flashy japanese flair.
titanfall mechs are cool
evangelion mechs are cool
patlabor mechs are cool
anthem suits are unironically quite nice
>Anthem
Man, I really wished Anthem wasn't obviously DOA, the suits looked kinda cool. They remind me of Warframes, which I really like.
Why this thread got so many replies?everyone knows that Battletech fans despise every single piece of fiction that isn't Battletech-related so there is no reason to engage them on discussion
>complaining about mechs being children's toys
>on Ganker - Video Games
>muh realism
>ywn be a giant robot pilot
>ywn be a half-elf wizard master fighting orcs
>ywn be a bald angry muhrine staying frosty and oscar mike
>ywn be an italian plumber jumping on turtles
Playing video games at all is degenerate, because instead of going out and living a life, you are spending hours of your life pursuing a false one. There's nothing useful created during gaming sessions, just escapism and wish fulfillment.
I wish mechs weren't limited to human or biped shapes in most settings
BT does have quads they're just less prevalent. Pretty OP though.
>can play Amazing Grace on command
A lot of people just don't think it's cool
I like both western and eastern mecha. Give me Battltech, give me Armoured Core. Giant walking industrial facilities, or breakdancing robots from space, I dig it all.
Western Mecha is only good when its made by westerners who love Eastern mecha. Even Pacific Rim calls its monsters Kaiju.
Westerners who stick theirs heads in the sand and pretend nothing of worth was ever invented outside their borders are too small-minded to produce works of global cultural value.
should i finish votoms
shit's boring
How far are you in? I think the show is really paced well, but I wasn't feeling it until like 8-10 episodes in when Chirico starts getting some real character development. If you're at the space vietnam arc and you're still not feeling it then maybe it's just not for you.
i finished the vietnam arc and it was fine but i got bored of the generic fight scenes
is the ending kino at least?
I personally like the ending and final arc a lot because it goes a VERY different direction from the rest of the series. It's hard to say more without spoilers though.
Slow bulky mechs that hit hard are fun to watch, but not fun to play as
Westfags just don't get it, they see all of their inventions and machines of war as nothing but tools. Giant robots are the most powerful personification of a single warrior on the battlefield fighting larger than life circumstances. They have a personality and style that can't be matched by simple tanks and jets, and often become characters in and of themselves, perhaps because of the human form, and people often even find themselves caring when they get damaged or destroyed, just as much as the pilots inside. They are symbols of man's determination and spirit, being a mechanical tribute to himself. They are more like warhorses than tanks, companions in battle instead of tools. The mecha is man's projection of his desires and willpower on to a body with the power to achieve them, the human serving as part of the machine's soul. They are the "men" that surpass man's limits, and they look damn cool. They are piloted machines in man's image to remind them of their own humanity while they were in the cold depths of space.
Never seen anything to do with BattleTech, huh?
I like mechs, they dont have to be realistic they just have to abide by the rule of cool.
Western mecha has the issue that it's FUCKING BOOOOOOOORING. shit like Mechwarrior is a sleep aid. And the westerners who enjoy that boring shit are into war stuff like war of tanks or whatever that shit is.
Gundam is silly. It's a bunch of angsty teens running around in giant robots with beam swords and rifles. There's no physics. There's not really any logic.its just fun.
>It's a bunch of angsty teens running around in giant robots with beam swords and rifles. There's no physics.
did you only watch SEED or Wing?
It could be 00 too. Setsuna is a huge gay.
>t.
?
0079 is literally a bunch of angsty teens running around. Amuro is angsty as fuck until about half way through.
And then you have Kamile... who also is angsty until about half way through.
>Kamile
Who's that? Sounds like a girls name.
Man the first few episodes of zeta feel like a fucking fever dream.
>punches jerid for saying he has a girl name
>gets interrogate
>gets released but gets angry again over dumb shit
>runs away
>steals a car to escape the titan base
>jumps out of the car to walk back to the titan base
>steals a Gundam and tries to step on a guy for being mean to him
>joins the people who are attacking the colony he lives on
Kamille is legitimately mentally unstable.
can someone spoonfeed me some good mech games on steam?
I've always liked mechs and yes even anime mechs, but most games I find are dead online. or don't have a good single player. I played this Japanese arcade mech game at a con that had me control the mech I chose with 2 sticks and it was amazing
I have Mechwarrior
>can someone spoonfeed me some good mech games on steam?
No.
🙁
Fallout 4
See
On steam? If you like tactical games, HBS's Battletech is good, and I really liked Phantom Brigade with it's five second time mechanics.
>I played this Japanese arcade mech game at a con that had me control the mech I chose with 2 sticks and it was amazing
Virtual-On is great. They're not on Steam, but you should really check out Gungriffon and Zone of the Enders.
Zone of The Enders - at least the second one - is on Steam. The first game is easily emulatable.
How come there are no cool autistic PC mech sims that have you controlling mechs that actually look cool? Mechwarrior and Earthsiege are just AT-ST tank garbage. I want to control a fucking Gundam.
Gungriffon is awesome, the closest the Japanese ever got to a mech "sim" in my opinion. I wanna feel like I'm in the cockpit of a mech, so 3rd person games don't do it for me.
I watched the movie trilogy version of 0079 but Amuro never struck me particularly like that. Like he does angst but he genuinely takes a lot of shit like a champ. The closest I guess is when he runs away during the desert arc but I didn't mind that since it's kind of a recurring theme in the series of people trying to flee their duties but end up returning.
I haven't watched the compilation movies but in 0079 amuro defies orders several times and just kinda acts bratty like he knows best for most of the first half. I assume that stuff could be cut without missing the plot.
It's after the desert when he matures quite a bit, and even more later after lalah
There are physics. You just didn't watch the series that used them, opting for homolust or the karate tournament series. Also western mechs can be badass you just have to have exciting variations of mech meeting each other and not just LRM + pulse spam
Autocannons and SRM are the way of the warrior and I will not be convinced otherwise. Extra fun with the melee added and sprinkled with some machine guns and flamethrowers.
There are only two things I want in a mech.
It either has an AC/20, or it dedicates half of it's total weight to one single gun.
>writing isn't good enough for story-driven media
and/or
>designs aren't cool enough to capture imagination
Western mecha is always a bunch of grimdark gayry that can't get over the fact that it isn't as cool as eastern mecha
>grimdark
what?
isn't stereotypical japanese mecha a bunch of retarded teenage drama WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOR war=bad peace=good lets UNDERSTANDINGs beyond the time shit?
As opposed to stereotypical western mecha shit which is "nothin personal kid" edgy mercenaries doing tactical edgy warcrime things holy shit we are so gritty and badass and realistic money and power is all that matters lol look at these dumbass soldiers who care about things unlike us badass mercs
>"nothin personal kid" edgy mercenaries doing tactical edgy warcrime
I don't really know where that even comes from, honestly. Most stories I've read have the main characters being very much the honorable soldier kind of character, trying to get through being the underdog.
>sn't stereotypical japanese mecha a bunch of retarded teenage drama WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOR war=bad peace=good lets UNDERSTANDINGs beyond the time shit?
Even Gundam was not like this prior to some of the 90's and 00's era AU's. 0079's central theme was something like "yeah war is messy but sometimes you just gotta get in the robot and fucking kill people".
And mecha anime is so diverse that even nailing it down to one genre/theme is kind of retarded. You have super hero cape shit mecha, you have medieval sci-fantasy mecha, you have magical girl mecha, you have lovecraftian horror mecha, you mil sci mecha, you have comical wage slave police mecha, etc. etc. etc.
Like maybe that might be someones (wrong) vision of Gundam specifically but I dunno if "teenage drama" is what people would picture thinking of the genre compared to say, Gurren Lagann / GaoGaiGar hot blooded shouting and machismo.
Gaogaigar had a decent take at "realism", with lots of parts wearing, constant need of repairs, etc.
More than the average gundam show even
Yeah GaoGaiGar has a lot of fun grounding to its setting and scenario which really emphasizes the mechanical nature of the main robot and adds to the plots while still being a whimsical sci-fantasy adventure where the main power source is basically space magic.
why did power rangers succeed in the west but nothing else?
Children, man children too.
wdym.
Japan has Super Sentai which is what power rangers were based on
Pacific rim is anime as fuck your just a cock sucker, op
>Mechwarrior as an IP is unfortunately tied down by fucking retards
The gaming publishing rights are owned by Microsoft.