Why is world PVP almost non-existent in most MMOs these days?

Why is world PVP almost non-existent in most MMOs these days?
The few that do often have an option to disable it, removing all the fun.
>But it's unbalanced
it's the charm of it
>But it's unfair
Think outside the box you idiot.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's garbage and not skill based it's always bigger groups killing smaller ones or homosexual stealth classes ganking.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this. It's just a system for bullies to jerk off to.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >have to avoid playing at certain times due to an autist camping low level areas
      If I pay for a game, I should be able to play it.

      Open world PVP is only fun when it's casual. It's not fun when it's just some max level homosexual camping people half his level around one quest giver literally 24/7, which makes up 99% of all modern MMO PVP.

      World PvP is a fun idea on paper but terrible in reality. Most of the time it devolves into "guy one-shots lower level guy" situations that are a waste of time at best and griefing at worst. I don't blame people for hating it, it's like rolling the dice on if you're going to be able to progress through the game or have some turbo autist camp your corpse for the next few hours.

      "You need to be inconvenienced and not have fun for me to enjoy the game" - world pvp players

      just enjoy their seething when they complain nobody wants to play with them

      Why do people forget it's supposed to be an MMORPG? If someone's going to jump you while you're on mobs or attack low levels, he's more or less putting a bounty on his head. It's not a single player game. You can request assistance and you'll most likely get 1-2 high levels come out to help. People used to sit outside the cities just dueling each other for no reason other than fun. Unfairness isn't really a good reason why world pvp shouldn't exist. Remove it and all you're left with is leashed mobs, scripted encounters, and something that may as well just be an offline game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Other players aren't your friends.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There was a point where you could make new friends just from uphill struggles against the enemy faction. Why is this a bad thing to have in the game?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because WoW world pvp is so fricking dumb for its reliance on the two faction balance, as soon as a server goes 40/60 you're pretty much done for as then it just slides further and further away.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This happens mainly because of today's social media. You were much less likely to have this sort of issue in 2005, it wasn't a game design problem. The honor system wouldn't have even made it into the game because they would've scrapped it immediately.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's true, sadly it's no longer 2005.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                xfers and faction change didn't exist in 2005, the problem still existed but it happened much slower

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can request assistance and you'll most likely get 1-2 high levels come out to help.
        No you won't, and if they do they'll come for like 20 minutes, kill them once, and then they'll just go back to camping 24/7

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'd have flown out to help you, anon. Why do you think everyone who plays the game is mesmerized by loot treadmills?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            these guys look like they HAVE to be MC'd wtf

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >more or less putting a bounty on his head
        actually he's not at all and you get no bounty for killing him more than any other random enemy player
        >You can request assistance and you'll most likely get 1-2 high levels come out to help
        most likely nothing will happen at all, and even if they did, the ganker can just log, laugh at wasting the time of 3 people, then log back on and resume completely unimpeded
        >Remove it and all you're left with is leashed mobs, scripted encounters, and something that may as well just be an offline game
        Yes, MMOs are bad games, only fools forget this

        Play better MMOs with better WPvP mechanics

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You need to accept that nowadays pretty much everyone who plays games has no patience or self respect and will only enjoy the game if people online tell him he should or the game shows him pop ups congratulating him. Hence why gacha and other p2w games are so popular.
        If ultima online was made today no one would play it because they'd get bored the second they saw 3 seconds of youtube gameplay footage.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not all MMOs have PvP.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah FFXI had none
          it had like 2 or 3 PVP-themed arena things that almost no-one ever did, mostly because there was no rewards for it and also cuz the game's mechanics get fricky when you do PVP due to how debuffs and resistances work.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If someone's going to jump you while you're on mobs or attack low levels, he's more or less putting a bounty on his head.
        you know fricking what? if an MMORPG with WPVP had an actual legitimate bounty and bounty hunting system it would be a smash fricking hit. you encourage ganking, pvp, and taking out the trash all at the same time, all while encouraging maximum player interactionprovided the combat is actually fun, intuitive, and balanced

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this. there is no way to make open-world PVP not this, no matter how you go about the gearing. even Retail tries to equalize player stats and it still boils down to this

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      back in my day people actually called for help and escalated fights instead of crying and quitting

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >call for help
        >you just stealth or mount up and run away while no one can do anything about it
        yeah very satisfying gameplay
        shut the frick up

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why wouldnt it be? back in the day if some shithead was ganking lowbies people would call for help in lfg/guild/general, and help would arrive

          why are people so fricking stupid that they dont know how to escalate? even if you were guildless you still had lfg and general, but being guildless and not having anyone to call on for help is just being plain bad at the game tbh. not calling for help is bad, and you just suck. skill issue.

          >call for help
          it doesn't even matter, the nolife will be back in 20 minutes to kill the next set of lowbies, there's no winning vs nolifes

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the nolife will be back in 20 minutes
            nope. im the counter no life that showed up and is now corpse camping him

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          skill issue

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cute buzzword but there is literally nothing that can be done to someone dedicated to running away at max level playing a rogue no matter how skilled you are. Especially in an expansion with flying mounts.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              holy shit this guy never heard of huntards and catseye goggles felhunters and frost mages hahahaha its 2024 and people STILL dont know how to rock paper scissors

              embarrassing

              >flying mounts
              never was such a thing as wpvp with flying mounts in the game, different game entirely. dont care.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >holy shit this guy never hear
                not the guy you're peeing your pants to but theres some dude who used to post videos of him killing people with rogue while wearing white gear
                shut up

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                k what does that have to do with these baby whiners not knowing how to counter paper with scissors

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So it's gone from not just calling help, but calling help from a specific class? And again, they can just mount up and run away, none of your "counters" stop that.
                I feel like you know you're wrong and are just gonna keep replying anyway because you're a hostile incel, so I'm done with you. Most people are better people than you, so there's your answer as to why games aren't made for virgins like you anymore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah if you want to corpse camp a rogue reliably you need one of those 3 classes

                that's the game, pal. good thing every guild is overflowing with huntards nad mages. i thought you wouldve nitpicked the catseye goggles comment tho, cause not many warlocks actually bother with that shit

                btu really if you want to keep a rogue in one place dont kill them like some shitter, just do this

                one time i made people so mad in redridge i ended up surrounded by mages that kept me sheeped in lakeshire for over an hour (i was horde)

                i quite literally could not escape or do anything

                good times

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >see a player asking for help in general chat
      >be max level
      >ride out there and kill the spawncamper

      this was one of the reasons I logged into WoW daily

      stealth users were the worst part for real though

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >cat's eye elixir,
        >cat's eye goggles,
        >track hidden,
        >personalized macro to send my pet and hunter's mark the target;
        it's rogue hunting time

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I despise pvp and avoid it if I can. However, I’ve always played on pvp servers when possible. When I explore the world I want meet people acting on their own accord. Some might help me kill a mob despite faction differences, some give a quick wave and are on their way, some are apprehensive, staying at a cautious distance evaluating my actions, and some will murder me in cold blood at the worst time. But it’s because the negative outcomes are possible that the positive ones feel real and special. Someone doing good holds no meaning if they never even had the choice to be an butthole. Such is my philosophy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah same, I like the extra layer of danger when out in the world exploring or questing or gathering

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah same, I like the extra layer of danger when out in the world exploring or questing or gathering

        Very based. I don't think I, or most other players nowadays, have this kind of patience though. To have agency ripped away by another person instead of playing a single player game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >homosexual stealth classes ganking
      still salty you lost all your buffs before the raid eh?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this homosexual never solo'd an IDOC
      i've killed people; guilds, 1v5 in uo but then again i outgeared 99% of the shard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So like real life then. What’s the problem?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this is why only latinx sisters and Blacks like ganking, it carries over into the game

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Fictional piece of media should reflect flawed reality instead of idealized fiction
        What did anon mean by this?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It helps the world feel real which is the whole point of an mmo. Immersion is built on how closely games reflect the real world, even with all the magic and scifi stuff. If the world is completely alien it won’t be immersive.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            how often do you get ganked in real life and what shithole do you live in

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              None. I live in the real world equivalent of Elwyn Forest, as I imagine most people do and I still haven’t leveled past 10. I’d imagine if I went to the real world equivalent of STV though which today would probably be somewhere like Somalia or Afghanistan I’d expect to get ganked.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's like Souls game invasions. Neat idea at first

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp. OP is a homosexual who's crying because he can't wield 200 hours of grinding against level 17s anymore

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp
      Got real tired of these scenarios specifically
      >see a guy around my level
      >we both have staredown and do our shit avoiding one another
      >as soon as another guy from his faction shows up he attacks me 2v1 like a b***h
      Or
      >beat up guy who attacks me
      >he tries again when I’m low and I beat him up again
      >he comes back with a max level friend

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because if you give any purpose to it (IE getting items like you would in say, runescape or tibia) then casuals won't play, period. This is not a "well if you", they won't. They will ignore it outright. Runescape is still struggling to deal with this. Albion is having to shrink more and more of the PVP because casual players are so vehemently against it. Tibia is dead.
    It focus tested SO negatively in new world that they remade a significant portion of the game and ended up scrapping it as a whole. Don't forget it was originally supposed to be a more modern take on runescape, with open world house building, open world item drop PVP, and more.
    It had less than .005% approval, and everyone except THREE people out of the 10k player closed technical test said it was bad and not fun.
    It's just not what people want. If you want competition and PVP, play a game designed for it.
    It just doesn't work for MMOs which only exist now for people to feel a sense of progression and satisfaction by doing digital chores.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tibia is not dead because it was open PVP though, tibia is dead because cipsoft have sucked the fun out of PVP with their piles of shit features which were all added in response to cheaters, not whiny normies. cheaters and by extension, cipsofts moronic response to the problem, is what killed the game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >had a go recently
        >open PvP
        >LVL 32 doing apes task
        >some level MS 110 is already there (kwab)
        >claims all 3 levels of this gigantic spawn
        >sneakily do my tasks
        >he starts following me and stealing my kills
        >task done
        >the loser doesn't even PK me
        >fricking level 110 on a level 40 spawn
        >Tasks Mammoths & Badgers
        >same thing, but now there's a level 120 RP
        You see João, either bots are back or the community has suffered some peculiar form of spongiform encefalitis.
        I don't know what's worse, I went back to WoW (kwab). This game is long gone and it's not worth the $11.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shut the frick up Black person no one understands your moronic ass lingo

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            don't say that Silva, your favela buddies don't like that sort of behavior.
            Go eat your beans and rice, ok? Ciao.

            if wow taught me anything about vidya it's that people will do absolutely anything to avoid a fair fight

            Life isn't fair. For example: getting a degree means you want to avoid the competition hellhole called job market. I did it, you probably did it too. it's called strategy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this is just how it is now. all good spawns are taken 24/7 by monolith guilds run by money laundering cartels. if you're in said guilds, you can add your name to a schedule on some discord servers and if you don't respect this you're going to end up on some shitlist and get permapk'd by 100's of players.
          i've played on and off a bit on secura(optional pvp) until about a year ago, 200EK and it's the same there really, except instead of killing you they either follow you around endlessly and kill stuff so you don't get exp, or they try to lure shit on you if you're in a nasty zone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      RuneScape has the best PvP format in terms of its structure. It’s easily the best and most inspired and I just wish more large scale multiplayer games tried the system out. Adding incentives, bosses, monsters that drop awesome loot in areas where PvP can happen is a great idea. Putting powerful content in the wild was a smart move even if it’s still not as active as it should be. PvP in the “fair” sense is utter trash in RuneScape. It’s purely who has more cash until you face off someone with the same money in their gear, then skill can come into play. Also the idea of being robbed of a ton of your items is a really thrilling experience. I love full loot PvP and it shines when the combat isn’t too fast like RuneScapes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stand and deliver, c**t!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        World PvP filters players who require a rules-based, structured approach to multiplayer activity. They want a clearly demarcated battleground where PvP happens according to developer-sanctioned standards that everyone involved agrees to - a "fair fight". In contrast, World PvP relies on the player structuring the experience themselves. You have unlimited freedom. You could decide to:
        >hide in the northern pass to Stranglethorn Vale as a rogue and ambush players as they're passing through
        >infiltrate an Alliance- or Horde-dominant leveling zone with a 3-man strike team and summon in random guild members to cause chaos
        >avenge yourself against players who ganked you
        >compete for questing / gathering resources with players of the opposite faction
        >stage a battle between guilds out in the world
        >mind control players to their deaths, or trick them into falling off of ledges
        etc. Coming up with fun things to do using your abilities out in the world leads to a lot of memorable experiences, but you have to do it yourself. Because there aren't any rules, it isn't going to be a fair fight, but that's the beauty of it.

        That said, it's not perfect, and there are far too many people who abuse that freedom to do things like gank n00bs or shut down areas entirely. But that's a price I'm willing to pay for the ability to make my own fun.

        I love the conceptual foundations of OSRS PvP, but I hate how impenetrable the combat mechanics are.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Because if you give any purpose to it (IE getting items like you would in say, runescape or tibia) then casuals won't play, period.

      AHEM.
      DAoC PvP was what the casuals played en masse. It had server-wide bonus keep objectives, gave you abilities and stats and titles, and was the basic main point of the game, and end-game. Literally every single day hordes and zergs of casuals in PvP.
      Course, different generation and time. Nobody has the focus for that now, and people have associated e-sports and hardcore players with PvP only.
      Your points stands though, THESE days its almost futile. There's a reason why they fail in modern times.
      But man, it was so good logging into DAoC in 2002, going to the RvR area and just joining some massive casual zerg fight happening at a keep or in a field or something.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My homie. DAoC was top tier if you're a pvp enjoyer. Just hearing the ambient music from that game, to this day almost brings a tear to my eye.

        Speaking of open world pvp, that game had a full PvP server and it was fricking awesome. Guilds would take over towns and shit and you had to form alliances, make friends.

        I remember getting fed up right around the time they added /level 20. And i got like 50 people to make insta 20s and we zerged Ft Atla and killed some level 50s that were bullying me. Felt so god damned good

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I played Mordred too. I'm an absolute shitter so my main thing was to park an Animist and hide shrooms on the towers in Mag Mell and hide and leech off of higher level players fighting/grief greys walking by until a stealter inevitably found me. Lots of fun anyway.
          I also played the co-op server, Gaheris. It was pretty cool seeing all three realm class combinations work together in PvE.
          Something about old mmos is that I felt like I could do almost fricking anything and still get groups and do content as long as I wasn't AFK. I would do awful specs (lol earth wizard), try jank stuff, but almost always I could get an invite to something. These days it feels like you get screened for everything, and there's so many in-game systems and out of game systems to track your "worth" that so many people use that it's ruins a lot of that casual fun.
          I honestly cannot remember while leveling up in DAoC getting rejected from a group unless they A) Had no tank and needed one B) Had no healer and needed one C) Were full. I think that's my main issues with modern MMOs. Equally the game but also the playing populace fault. Everyone is needlessly elitist in content that is made for babies.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh god yep, Mag Mell was great too. I think I used to jump from the tower and land on a roof too where I was untouchable and just free cast on everyone.
            >but almost always I could get an invite to something.
            yep, same experience, i feel ya.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        holy frick daoc mentioned. absolute gem of a game. horrible imbalanced frickfest but amazing despite that. i miss it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There's a reason why they fail in modern times.
        But it certainly isn't because LE NOBODY WANTS PVP
        Every time I see an MMO with open pvp it's something like Mortal Online which advertises itself as HARDCORE PVP MMO SWING YOUR BIG PVP DICK AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT FRICKING DIE, they don't add anything for anyone to do but kill other players, and then they act shocked when nobody plays their game but a few hardcore world pvp dickheads who still have fond memories of being reds in UO, and little cringe edgelord kids hanging on the coattails of the ancient UO grognards

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If something has a 0.005% approval rate there must have been something wrong with the implementation, like the mechanic being outright nonfunctional. I didn't play or follow New World but wasn't it buggy trash with shit combat and lag?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >scrap pvp to save new world
      >it dies even faster than it otherwise would have
      many such cases

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This is not a "well if you", they won't.
      lol
      lmao

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        pssst, because they're removing the pvp exclusive gear progression for pve, and basically just separating the two entirely.
        That's WHY. Because PVP is becoming LESS important.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you have never played the game
          there is no gear progression in albion
          try again monkey

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ah yes, there are no tiers.
            nope. lifecurse staff is 1:1 with shadowcaller.
            nope
            none
            no progression
            none at all

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >different skills = gear progression
              what?
              Lifecurse is for group pvp/ZvZ and shadowcaller is for PvE

              >fighting Harvester Cap abusers without Cleanse
              The gathering gear rework can't come soon enough.

              many such cases

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >gear progression
          anon you might be clinically moronic

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Tibia is dead.
      And yet it's still the only MMO I have fond memories of.

      Making it through a dungeon and making it home alive was a thrill. There's a reason Dark Souls was considered a breath of fresh air, and that's like 20% of the ass fricking you get with true open PVP.
      Of course you usually get fricked, but when you don't it makes every run feel like a genuine success, and sometimes you get the upper hand or find a high-level corpse and score some shit that would have taken you weeks to earn.

      Or sometimes samaritans get involved and you get cavalry manhunts, retributions, and running fights across the whole map. Or a general bloodbath and chaos. Emergent shit that's always interesting. Crazy blood trails and piles of corpses that tell a story as you're exploring.
      And it's not just straight PVP that enables this, it's the schemes and bullshit it puts in players' hands like blockading a bridge and demanding tolls (with actual violence as an answer, not just an oversight because nobody can move you), or the ability to act like a bandit on trade routes making it an actual decision to hire bodyguards or take a path other than the main road.

      Or you can just be chilling in a trading post and someone ahallu akbars the main street with fire runes and everyone goes fricking apeshit; it rules.

      Every MMO since WOW has felt like you're pushing buttons in a spaceship instead of controlling a character in an actual world.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Basically successful games should completely ignore casuals because they will play anyway. Their threats are empty, yet every fricking game caves to them and goes to trash for it.

      Pro tip: people played on wow pvp servers like fricking crazy as it grew in popularity. Plenty of casuals played despite pvp being everywhere. And yet they b***hed about it ruining the game.

      Early wow days pvp is still looked back at fondly for the randomness of it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        casuals are the only market that matters, if you make a game casuals like then a hardcore scene will form anyway because theres always the percent of autists that will play the game because they need to feel like they're at the top of a mountain of noobs

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You have it backwards. Casuals want to pretend they are hardcore.but have a win sometimes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you have to actually be successful first
        and no one is going to buy in on a PvP mmo nowadays

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      casuals arent playing runescape because it's old as shit and practically unknown to anyone under.. what is it now, 27?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    never was really into mmorpgs but that ganking thing might have been part of why. like some max level dudes killing noobs that they see in some low level area.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's basically always one-sided, and the majority of the playerbase hates it. It's not worth it for any dev to cater to a handful of griefers

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always liked to play like a supervilain in MMOs

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    honor system was a huge mistake honestly

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s not arenas tho.
      The honor system encouraged world pvp but battlegrounds are truly what killed it
      Any INSTANCED form of PVP will kill non instanced pvp because people don’t want to die while questing to another player. They see it as a “waste of time”

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it is a waste of time, as is. so what do you add or remove to make it worth more?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The honor system was not a waste of time, but they need never re adjusted the amount of honor from world pvp kills to equal the amount of honor you got from battlegrounds. So the legionnaire blue Garbo set that you got at level 9 or whatever took a lot of bg to get but the high warlord gear took an insane amount of grinding BGs. First of all they made world kills give way too little honor. Also they should have let you get blue, green, epic equivalent gear from WORLD PVP kills. I don’t know tie it to quests or something. Blizzard did it to themselves, lineage 2 had a way better PVP system where you could just kill the frick out of anyone you wanted. But if you went red from killing too many innocents, you would get gangbanged and lose all your shit. There was no risk in wow pvp, with little reward.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >lineage 2 pvpkino
            I member

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I already don't like being killed by 3rd worlders in real life. Why the frick would I want to be killed by 3rd worlders in a video game?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >have to avoid playing at certain times due to an autist camping low level areas
    If I pay for a game, I should be able to play it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >red man bad

      Ok, play the scenario out in your head. Why is somebody going to "camp low level areas"? He gets nothing from any kills. You lose nothing from any deaths. Do you think he'll sit there for hours wasting his life on achieving nothing? If so, what's your IQ? You have a avoidance personality disorder, this shit just made up in your head.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think he'll sit there for hours wasting his life on achieving nothing?
        I do think he will, absolutely. That's what you're doing right here, right now, after all.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and once a server gets big enough they will be in every zone at every time of day

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think he'll sit there for hours wasting his life on achieving nothing
        You’re playing a MMO sir

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think he'll sit there for hours wasting his life on achieving nothing
        Have
        Have you never played an MMO before?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I knew a guy who would camp in Redridge. That's all he would do every time he logged on.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think he'll sit there for hours wasting his life on achieving nothing?
        You forget what kind of people play MMOs

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're going to waste time. He's not going to waste time because he's having fun.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Try Classic WoW.
        Even with 0 incentive you’d get maxxed rogues camping levelling zones.

        Then when they released honour, whichever side had majority on the server just literally griefs the others high but not quite maxed. Release month you literally could not login

        And that’s a case with no stakes. Try the autism of eve online where groups of autists coordinate to ruin the lives of super pilots. At least in EVE you claimed to like hardcore experiences.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        have you ever ganked at redridge? that shit is fun as frick. The idea of just raping some other player and they cant do anything about it makes me feel like a fricking alpha and better about myself. WPVP is an addiction with people who dont have shit going on in their lives

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >makes me feel like a fricking alpha and better about myself
          That's pretty pathetic, dude.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            cry about it, I am literrally better than you. Get some skills homosexual!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I only fight people on an even footing with myself. You are quite literally not better than me.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bro clearly hasn’t played mmos with open world pvp, even “new” mmos tera online had high levels camping low levels just to one shot them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why is somebody going to "camp low level areas"?
        To be an butthole and get off on killing weaker people.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think he'll sit there for hours wasting his life on achieving nothing?
        lil bro..

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think he'll sit there for hours wasting his life on achieving nothing?
        Have YOU played any single fricking MMO in your entire life? That's all some c**ts do. They're just c**ts.
        Frick, a few years ago when a friend got me to play WoW again and there were still PvP zones without toggles, there was some gay that attacked me. I killed him, he respawned and attacked again, I killed him again, then a third time, same shit. Suddenly he's logged out and some other gay on a flying mount arrives, levelcapped obviously, and starts killing me, while corpse camping afterwards. I just said frick it, went and took a shower, did some chores, watched an episode of animu. It easily more than one hour. I tab back into the game and the fricker is still camping my corpse hoping that I'll resurrect just so he can gank me again because he got mad he got his ass kicked when he attacked me with an alt. This case might be rare but it's certainly not exceptional.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >make a system that allows players to grief
        Then it turns into a griefing circlejerk.
        It doesn't matter if there's tangible rewards or if you're even encouraged to do so, morons will do so around the clock without incentive.
        You can see it in your own shitty analogy. There's zero tangible benefits to invading in Souls games. You get souls 10x faster via braindead farming methods, same with humanities/rune arcs/etc.
        But there's still a persistent invading scene because there are people who just want to be griefing homosexuals and don't need a reason to be a pest.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think he'll sit there for hours wasting his life on achieving nothing?
        I'm him.
        And yes I will.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why is somebody going to "camp low level areas"?
        seeing as you have clearly never played an MMO before, it's because there are always people out there willing to ruin everyone else's fun if given the chance. they do not need more of a reason than that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Have you never played any sort of open world multiplayer game before lmao?
        >DayZ
        People in full equipment KoS'ing hobos who don't even have a can of beans
        >The Isle
        Roaming packs of herbivores that endlessly hunt you down and kill players for no reason
        >Ark
        Huge megatribes placing pillars all over the map to stop anyone else from making even a single campfire, literally removing 99% of the game for every other player because 'lul'
        Players spend hours, days and even fricking MONTHS ganking and KOSing because they get hardons for bullying other players, this is multiplayer 101.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >DayZ
          that only really happens on Official servers
          hardest part is just finding that one server with the right balance, then you're set. they're usually the more populated ones.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Just play on hyper regulated servers where stepping into the wrong area is a permaban
            >Just trust the totally-not-power-hungry jannies that run the unofficial servers
            Yeah no, all unofficial servers do is remove some issues, only to add new ones.
            Instead of being KOS'd by some randoms, you get KOS'd by the admin's buddies.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >you get KOS'd by the admin's buddies.
              banned by*

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, that's only if you somehow manage to kill one of the admin's buddies who no doubt are running top tier equipment spawned in for them, if not outright using altered character values.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >you get KOS'd by the admin's buddies.
              banned by*

              almost all DayZ servers are carebear shit or deathmatch servers. There are about 7 good unofficial servers, and of those I think 1 even has full day/night cycle and dark nights. cucked. Guess I'll just play official.

              Unless I'm missing something? Like dayz player charts say 30k people are on sometimes, and I look at the servers and they add up to like...1,000 players? If that. What is going on there

              iunno ive never had a problem
              maybe stop joining shit servers
              might be a regional thing
              this is Aussie timezone right now, so assuming 90% of everyone in the thread is Aussie we have generally good servers for games, because they'd be fricking dead otherwise

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            almost all DayZ servers are carebear shit or deathmatch servers. There are about 7 good unofficial servers, and of those I think 1 even has full day/night cycle and dark nights. cucked. Guess I'll just play official.

            Unless I'm missing something? Like dayz player charts say 30k people are on sometimes, and I look at the servers and they add up to like...1,000 players? If that. What is going on there

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think he'll sit there for hours wasting his life on achieving nothing?
        hehe

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think he'll sit there for hours wasting his life on achieving nothing?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think he'll sit there for hours wasting his life on achieving nothing?
        mhm...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd spend hours a day going to reridge and viper stinging alliance players. I wouldn't kill them, I'd just drain their mana while they stared at me knowing that I was making them waste their money on water.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I would kill hunter and lock pets whenever I saw them, witnessing their frustrations when they're forced to play the game without relying on a busted pet was hilarious.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >game has open PVP
      >i know this
      >pay for game
      >WAEEEE GOGO GAGA WAEEE I CAN'T PLAY THIS MASSIVELY ONLINE GAME HOW I WANT
      >THE DEVS SHOULD HAVE DESIGNED THE GAME SPECIFICALLY FOR MY NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDS
      do you hear yourself? your neighbors sure do, cryBlack person

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >THE DEVS SHOULD HAVE DESIGNED THE GAME SPECIFICALLY FOR MY NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDS
        They should have, and now they do, lol
        lmao

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >i know this
        But I don't. Who researches a game before they play it? That ruins the magic of the game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's more like
        >Game has open PVP
        >I know this
        >I don't buy the game
        >Most people don't buy the game for the same reason
        >Game shuts down because lack of funds
        Now keep in mind, there's a level of risk that some find enjoyable, but that risk usually needs to be unlikely but possible. If it's impossible, there's no risk. If it's likely, players get frustrated, don't play, and the game gets shut down.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you a girl?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, girls don't use Ganker

            You just need to protect solo players from groups and have some system in place to even out huge power differences.
            Some MMOs have that and they are doing fine.

            Yeah. Like I said, having open world PVP itself isn't the issue, it's when the risk of it is too high for the players. MMOs do this in different ways, but they still do it. OSRS does it with Wilderness levels.
            If they don't the MMO is going to fail.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You just need to protect solo players from groups and have some system in place to even out huge power differences.
          Some MMOs have that and they are doing fine.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think a player should be nerfed for being higher level or having better gear. Both of these things are part of the MMO progression and were properly earned, assuming it's not a p2w game that is.

            I do think ganging up on a solo player is shitty though. Which is why the random, unexpected encounters you used to have with another solo player were the most fun.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              In WoW the slighest advantage will make you win against a weaker opponent every time. There has to be some limit to keep it fair. You also need tools to avoid PvP. All PvP should happen with both parties consent. I know, a WoW players only PvP experience is ganking or getting ganked. Ganking shouldn't be part of any MMO. It's frustrating.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            wow needed a bounty system, if someone is pvp flagged let me make a gold bounty that marks them on the world map to kill, more pvp is created so pvpers are happy, lowbies can get help, coward griefers are discouraged since a real threat is going to come for them, everybody wins, nothing will totally solve the nolifer problem though since some people just want to kill low level players 24x7 and nothing will discourage them

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              eve tried this, what ends up happening is that the guy just gets one of his friends to kill him and they split the bounty

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              BfA had precisely that bounty system. kill a bunch of people and you get a bounty tag that reveals your position on the map and when you get killed, you drop a little pouch with gold and items.
              it was alright. it was not the ultimate saviour of world pvp

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It wasn't alright because 99% of the time it was just some dude in the middle of a zerg with a bounty on him walking around with a blob of 100 other allies.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that was not my experience
                though there was plenty of "zerg rush" on both the bounty and the bounty hunters side

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                WOW has had a bounty system like 4 expansions ago, but still doesnt work because people are pussies

                it was supposed to work like this: you kill like 10 dudes like the pvper assassin you are and you get the bounty on yourself and you show up in the map, and then random solo people look for you and kill you u drop some gold and some pvp mark currency, cool everyone had fun

                how it works like 1 week after bounty system release: make a party or a 40 man raid to follow you getting the kills to get the bounty on yourself, no one cant touch you or get to you unless they get a raid, too much work just to get revenge or some little coin, its not worth it, leave map and go somewhere else, boring gay ass dude with 39 party members as bodyguards for nothing, killed the fun

                Who fricking cares in WoW, it's all broken since flying was introduced anyway. Can barely catch anyone for bounties to matter, especially when everyone is just flying around from quest to quest.
                God I hate whoever invented flying for BC. Way to ruin the game on the very first expansion you fricking morons.
                Well, so was making an entire new world for leveling instead of making reasons for people to go back to prior zones.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >make it so killing a low level player turns you PvP flagged for 2 days
              thats probably all you would need. people wouldnt kill that random lvl 5 character trying to run by them if they knew it opened them up to being ganked while sitting around their factions safe zones.

              make it so while you are flagged this way you also give extra honor tokens that can be turned in for consumable rewards that specifically work on other players like PvP specific bombs. now PvPers have a reason to hunt down those players and it doesnt affect PvE.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah but i want players to control the bounties not make the gay little zero agency systems blizzard is famous for

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Obviously the gold would have to come out of the bounty's pocket, because otherwise you're just generating gold and the system will be exploited by players. In other words, if you engage in world PvP, you're risking gold relative to the severity of what you're doing.
              >kill a player equal to your level
              >kill a civllian NPC outside of a town
              No bounty
              >kill a player >3 levels lower than you
              1-5 gold bounty
              >kill a player whose level is gray to you
              >kill a civilian NPC in a town
              10 gold bounty per kill
              >kill a flight master
              15 gold bounty

              It just has enough to discourage rampant ganking and griefing, without discouraging people from participating in world PvP entirely.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It wouldnt work because someone would just have a dedicated griefer character or account where they wouldnt keep their gold.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then you either disincentivize that with a harsher penalty and / or make the bounty draw from your account's cumulative gold.
                >can't afford bounty
                >incur bounty
                >receive a 1 hr. debuff that causes elite bounty hunters to spawn on you and rape you to death like the Gadgetzan / Booty Bay guards do
                >every bounty incurred adds a timer that only ticks down when logged in, alive, and out of towns or cities
                If people are still going to grief or gank regardless of such a severe punishment when they can't pay, let 'em. That's dedication.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i already said a good fix

                >make it so killing a low level player turns you PvP flagged for 2 days
                thats probably all you would need. people wouldnt kill that random lvl 5 character trying to run by them if they knew it opened them up to being ganked while sitting around their factions safe zones.

                make it so while you are flagged this way you also give extra honor tokens that can be turned in for consumable rewards that specifically work on other players like PvP specific bombs. now PvPers have a reason to hunt down those players and it doesnt affect PvE.

                you want it to not be as exploitable and not affect the PvE side of the game. in theory someone could exploit that by having an alt account trade kills for the tokens but the tokens are only used for pvp consumes so it wouldnt even matter.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              WOW has had a bounty system like 4 expansions ago, but still doesnt work because people are pussies

              it was supposed to work like this: you kill like 10 dudes like the pvper assassin you are and you get the bounty on yourself and you show up in the map, and then random solo people look for you and kill you u drop some gold and some pvp mark currency, cool everyone had fun

              how it works like 1 week after bounty system release: make a party or a 40 man raid to follow you getting the kills to get the bounty on yourself, no one cant touch you or get to you unless they get a raid, too much work just to get revenge or some little coin, its not worth it, leave map and go somewhere else, boring gay ass dude with 39 party members as bodyguards for nothing, killed the fun

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I feel the same but about end game content. Sitting in a group finder is a humiliation ritual

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it sucks. Play a shooter/fighting game/moba instead.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mmo pvp has always been garbage

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that WoW was mocked to hell for having shit world pvp/pking because there was no risk involved. It was literally bottom of the barrel for MMO pvp

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's still around in classic but it filters practically every soft homosexual gamer out there

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The fact that guards and DKs are still a thing in Goldshire DMF is bullshit though

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like PvP but with server transfers being available and factions being imbalanced it just kills servers

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The whole classic shit is confusing. There are like a hundred different classic modes by now. Classic this. Classic that. Classic this with extra rules. Classic that season of this. Lord almighty.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All classic modes die after 2 weeks so they have to keep making new ones

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they haven't figured out that they just need a normal classic server on a bit faster timeline that resets every 9-12 months or something
        the only reason most people play all the classic types is for the fresh appeal, then they die

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the only reason most people play all the classic types is for the fresh appeal, then they die
          >the most popular classic server were up for multiple years
          the FRESH?! morons are not worth chasing since those apes will run off to every new server in a sad attempt to be the guy who gets ahead of the chinese gold bots

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the only mmo who has done wpvp right was rf online

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you're in luck
    https://x.com/notostudios/status/1796339739890761984

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get anything for doing it so i don't bother.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because muh logs PVE Black folk want their magic number to be able to tell them that they are better than other people and be able to kick people out of raids and minmaxx while IRL they are disgusting repulsive losers. World PVP creations a situation in which their magic muh log number can't save them from a rogue stunlocking them to death. They cannot allow this.

    WPVP is literally the only good thing about WoW. I had been playing SOD just for WPVP, but you have to to gay raids to play the games and everyone is such an awful homosexual that I unsubbed. With the few weeks I have left of the game, I have bough every consume imaginable and will be griefing alliance to death until they need to spirit healer. The better your logs, the more aggressively I will stunlock you to death.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sod player
      >esl rambler
      every time

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Your logs can't save you homosexual.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >i need pvp where the other person doesn't know it's pvp until i gank them while they're fighting a mob!

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because adult gamers are complete fricking pussies compared to kids/teens used to unbalanced snowball fights in the winter

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because lame homosexual rogues exist

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because World PvP is such a tiny fricking minority that no one gives a shit. World PvP is old news. When people join PvP servers, it's because it's already the popular option, not because of the server type.

    Remember when Warmode was introduced? People joined in for a bit, sure, but over time it just became pointless.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i hate pvp but only played on pvp servers because the players are higher quality, pve servers are for shitters

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think modern pvp is ruined by meta gamers. Back in the day, people were more likely to come up with their own strategies and now you'll just get owned by "insert meta build here"

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Play MMOs instead of posting on Ganker, it's still mega alive

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    World PvP worked in vanilla because you had to physically go to dungeons and raids and it took a long time to go to them as well, now you have flying mounts and portals everywhere making it more of a nuisance than anything.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Large-scale PvP works because individual characters matter less in huge battles. Things like Alterac Valley or SSvsTM where you'll have an obscene number of players fighting each other are often more enjoyable for players of all classes, specs, and skill levels compared to smaller skirmishes. Unfortunately, world PvP when solo often devolves into either "I can murder that class, so I will" or "That class will murder me, so I'm leaving."

    The trouble is getting large fights started outside of instanced PvP zones like AV. This usually starts with a higher-level player slaughtering NPCs and flagged lowbies, disrupting the zone's normal flow in the hopes of other players arriving to defend the lowbies... but, especially with modern WoW and the dozens upon dozens of zones that scale to your level, there's always another option for the PvE crowd if one is disrupted. It was different when Hillsbrad was one of only a few areas for level-appropriate content; your alt is trying to quest and another player decimated the town, so you flew your main out and fought. Nowadays people hearth to a capitol and zip through a different zone's portal.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People kept taking it too far and making it completely irredeemably miserable. It's almost identical to overfishing or overhunting situations. If you kill off all the prey by being a fricking moron, the prey does not replenish, and now you're stuck crying about how everyone's a pussy AND/OR everyone's an unbelievable soulless sweaty tryhard. That's all that can exist now because people couldn't chill the frick out.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Back when I played WoW I played on a PvP server because I was moronic enough to care about "the cred" and some of my friends were on one.
    The way I see it, world pvp sucks ass because there are very little situations where it's actually fun.
    When you're out and about in the world, chances are you're trying to do something. Finish some quest, grind some mobs, go to a dungeon, doesn't really matter. Whatever it is, chances are you would prefer to just do that. Even if you run acaross someone from the enemy faction, you'd prefer to just ignore them. But that creates an awkward dynamic - if you never start a fight, you are always going to be the one getting jumped. And that's not very fun either. So then you get into this weird prisoner's dilemma where even if people don't want to fight, they feel compelled to do so anyway out of fear to be the one getting backstabbed.
    What's the alternative to that? The guy who is out and about in the world specifically for pvp and nothing else, the guy who wants a fight. But not only is that guy pretty rare, you're also not that guy all the time as everyone needs to level and do the occasional dungeon, etc., and on top of it all, that guy is only one half of the equation. Truly fun open world PvP only happens when two of more of those guys meet. And that's pretty fricking rare.

    Which means the vast majority of open world pvp happens to be not fun for the people involved. And that's why it is getting rarer and rarer, because shit's no fun and people don't do stuff that's not fun (unless there's some severe reward incentive).

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is world PVP almost non-existent in most MMOs these days?
    because publishers are largely pussies who think that it cant work. thats why amazon which was suppose to be a pvp mmo got delayed a year and turned into a pve centric mmo. making a pvp mmo is hardly ever tried. keep in mind most of the top 5 steam games are all pvp games, yet devs and publishers cant seem to come up with a way make the formulae work in an mmo, they are just following the same PvE MMO formulae for almost every mmo now.

    if you want pvp mmo you almost have to play a game like Conan Exiles that is a survival sandbox, it has farming, character builds, and world pvp.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >thats why amazon which was suppose to be a pvp mmo
      amazons New World**

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        correction too late, I just got in a fight with my delivery driver

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why would you want to play a pvp mmo
      no, seriously.
      if you want mmo-eque combat focused on pvp, there are a million action/arena games out there that do it better in terms of gamepay and community and without all the bullshit mmo baggage

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The stakes are higher in mmo PvP. You can have sandbox pvp. taking over regions of the map, server drama, guild drama that sort of stuff. its not the same when all pvp is comes down to a 15 minute arena match.

        Its like comparing a fight in Rust or escape from tarkov to a call of duty match. imagine playing rust all weekend putting in like 20 hours of work and gathering all of your offensive farm then taking it to someone elses area to wipe them out. if you die and lose it then that other person gets your hard work. Its way more intense than a meaningless gun fight in an arena match.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >keep in mind most of the top 5 steam games are all pvp games
      and you'll notice they're not mmo games, you clown
      >nooo pvp in mmos must be good because people play counterstrike or dota!!!
      what level of iq is needed to make a statement this moronic

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Open world PVP is only fun when it's casual. It's not fun when it's just some max level homosexual camping people half his level around one quest giver literally 24/7, which makes up 99% of all modern MMO PVP.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why is high level so much stronger than low level? bad game design imo.

      There is no reason spell resist or hit chance should be affected by player level in WoW pvp, change my mind.

      If an mmo was designed with pvp in mind then health pools and damage wouldnt need to drastically change between high or low level either.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > hur why is stronger stronger than weaker
        Either a bit of a heavy handed troll or blisteringly stupid

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i said "so much" you fricking Black person.

          >just undermine two core appeals of MMOs, that will work out great
          great idea senpai
          sorry but your genre of choice runs on mindless grind and static rewards for time invested. go to fps games or mobas if you want some skill-based pvp

          >cant think outside the box
          >thinks that advancing stats means you need to be invincible to lower levels
          >also thinks that this ruins an aspect of the game
          >but no that cant change because..... because it just cant OK!?
          you people are apes who literally cant even imagine an mmo with PvP that isnt designed from top to bottom to be like WoW

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, higher levels being significantly stronger than lower levels is a core aspect of MMOs. Why bother leveling at all if you're not getting stronger, more abilities, etc.? Why farm gear if it's not significantly better? That is the core deal the genre offers. Invest time, get "better" (aka stronger).
            >well you can just make all these effects less significant and also reduce the amount of time required to get gear/levels, that would be fair again
            Great idea, but you know what? People already had that idea. And they figured why stop there when you can just "skip the middle man" so to speak and just remove all sorts of significant time investment and put people on an equal footing at the start of every battle and tada, you have a moba.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Open World PvP could scale based on your target -- much like how instance mobs scale relative to players, allowing a level 20 to fight alongside higher characters and still contribute. Your level 50 attacks the same mob as a level 30 and you both chip away its HP at a respectable rate. Apply it to world PvP and your level 50 attacking a level 30 is suddenly in danger because the 30 is hitting you with damage scaled to 50 while your attacks land like you're 30. Gear makes a little difference at this point, but the 50 no longer automatically wins due to a huge level advantage. Yes, you could annihilate local guards and quest NPCs, but the lowbies would be able to fight back without reinforcements.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what is there to fight for/over? the fight itself for epeen?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >modern
      Bro that's the ages old PVP experience. "Modern" PVP is casualized matchmaking and capture the flag and what have you.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    flying mounts killed world pv-

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Flying in WoW is legitimately fun and engaging now tbh

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      According to literally everyone this thing is pretty buggy and junky and doesn't work 9 times out of 10.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not that it's buggy, it takes a long time to fire and most people have gliders anyway. If you get a shot off and they haven't flown out of range yet 9/10 they just activate their glider and it's a pain in the ass to catch them again. The dragon isles is full of mountains and peaks and towers and shit so they can just float forever, and there's no real way to knock them down while you're airborne yourself.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I fricking hate how gravity has no meaning in wow now. Slipping off the edge used to be a butt clenching moment but now everyone has fall cancels

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The fact that the surge ability dismounts other people was the most fun thing to happen to WPVP in ages. At the start of every season, the skies over every war supply chest are a massive dogfight raining corpses, DHs, and paladins down upon the skirmish.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It gets in the way of my goals when I'm playing, I only have so much time to play. Perhaps if I was neet pilled I would pvp but generally when I play WoW it's for max three hours a day.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i remember legion pvp was so bad it killed off wow pvp forever

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its shit because world pvpers never want world pvp
    they want to sit in the lowest level area they can, one hit low level people, then run away and hide when people their own level show up

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t- guy who has only ever played pve server

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cope gay
        played pvp servers in wow from BWL patch to the end of wrath. World pvp is nothing but what I stated, or people waiting at dungeon/raid portals to kill people loading in.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This literally happens everytime, until one side fully transfers off/stops playing. And then people gaslight themselves into saying "It'll be different this time" and then it happens again.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Easily addressed by using good game design. Designers who are unable to grasp this just suck at designing games.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So easy, no one's been able to do it yet!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          where are the pvp mmos? no one makes them because we live in a SJW sissified society where "pvp is toxic". the stated reason amazon mmo was made PvE centric instead of PvP centric btw.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no one's making them because there is no demand for them
            most people grow out of stomping newbs or just focus their attention on games that actually test your skill against other players and not just whoever brought the most players/gear

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >no one's making them because there is no demand for them
              >top 3 steam games are all PvP centric
              hmmmm

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, pvp-centric games that use rigid matchmaking to pit people against each other in designated pvp arenas to create a fun, somewhat balanced experience for everyone involved

                again, the complete opposite of world pvp

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                rust is basically a pvp mmo and its #2
                >noo its not a real MMO because
                because why? you can have 300 people per server and servers are connected. you cant find 300 people in one area in wow because of phasing. Rust is arguably more of an MMO than WoW at this point, and its built from the ground up to be about PvP. there arent even any level ups other than crafting yet there is character progression in that too.

                Face it, mmo devs and players are just carebears and they cant think of a mmo PvP concept that doesnt have problems because #1 they are carebears and dont care and #2 they cant think outside the box.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, so rust exists. there's your pvp mmo. what is the issue again?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rust is popular due to the plastics in our food causing severe autism. I have never in my life understood why people enjoy that shit.

                Tarkov is okay because you balance risk versus reward every raid. Rust is join a zerg or find yourself griefed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rust and Tarkov aren't MMORPGs.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >noo its not a real MMO because
                because they are round based. Would you call League of Legends a MMORPG too?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                rust is not round based you ignorant homosexual

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >playing on no wipe servers

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >its round based because it wipes bases you build every 30 days
                nah, not giving you this one.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A good example of rust pvp being good, is someone with a tier 1 gun can kill a guy with a AK and metal kit. Compare that to WoW, a level 20 stands absolutely ZERO chance against a fully geared level 60.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are comparing two completely different genres. You might as well start telling me why Chess has better PvP than the Yu-Gi-Oh TCG.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Carebears won
                PVPers lost

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                pvpers are just rapists mad at concent requirements, they think if raping all the time while the "carebears" are going about playing the 99% of game content

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                people in archeage used to circlejerk real hard about carebears, but then when you actually analyzed how they "pvped" it was such a meme, credit card swiping dickheads would just play the 2 or 3 meta classes and burst down random normans playing the game with no gear, its a good thing the ashes of creation ceo is a huge archeage pvp simp and paid to win

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and how many of them are gear based RPGs where you can auto win against someone with no chance to fight back because you have a bigger number than them?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I remember this oldschool shitty korean MMO called metin2 that did have a cool PVP system that allowed you to frick around and bully noobs but not without cost.
          I think the system it used was pretty good.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think Wizardry Online did it well.
          You could PK about anywhere, but you'd be flagged a criminal and would be under constant threat of max-level guards in the player towns. Players you killed can set cash bounties on you, and the penalty for death for a PKer is much higher than a normal player.
          PKers have their own "safe" town, but are still a threat to each other.
          If a specific PKer becomes really problematic, it's not uncommon for players to group up to take them out of the game. A PKer who gets killed while having sufficiently negative "karma" will end up stuck in jail for dozens of in-game hours.
          The added risk as a PKer heavily deters random PKing and newb bullying, but not so much that world pvp is uncommon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, the design is called putting people on somewhat equal footing in designated pvp arenas

        aka not muh open world pvp

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          -dont have such a large disparity between high level and low level stats
          -have higher lvl gear be worth enough you dont want to lose it fighting lower levels.

          Its not hard. the problem is everyone is thinking inside the box of mmorpg PvE centric mindset where higher levels auto win vs lower levels.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >just undermine two core appeals of MMOs, that will work out great
            great idea senpai
            sorry but your genre of choice runs on mindless grind and static rewards for time invested. go to fps games or mobas if you want some skill-based pvp

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Duel-centers outside Orgrimmar/Ironforge completely demolishes everything this presumes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >duels
        >Apples aren't real because oranges
        the thread is about open world pvp

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    World PvP is a fun idea on paper but terrible in reality. Most of the time it devolves into "guy one-shots lower level guy" situations that are a waste of time at best and griefing at worst. I don't blame people for hating it, it's like rolling the dice on if you're going to be able to progress through the game or have some turbo autist camp your corpse for the next few hours.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to be a psycho in MMOs to fufill my Yazan Gable fantasies

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OPEN PVP HURTS THE FEELING OF THE CASUALS AND TRANNIES
    OPEN PVP MEANS TO PVP IN THE PVP DESIGNATED ZONES EVEN THOUGH THE SERVER IS SET UP AS AN OPEN PVP SERVER
    BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU CAN SIMPLY WALK INTO ENEMY TERRITORY AND KILL INNOCENT ENEMIES
    IF YOU DO THAT YOU WILL BE VISITED BY A BUTTHURT GM TELLING YOU OFF TO DO THE SPECIFIC THING THE SERVER WAS LITERALLY MADE FOR
    I HATE CASUALS I HATE WOMEN AND I HATE FRICKING CORPORATE Black person homosexual GMS TELLING ME HOW I HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME AND NOT TO HURT THE FEEEFEEES OF OTHER homosexualS WHILE THEY KEEP SUCKING DICKS
    FRICK

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      your meds xir

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would be cool if people were taking the RP seriously and not treating the game as an esport.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nobody wants to make a game that costs money to maintain AND actively culls its own playerbase(revenue) at the same time.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was actually pretty fun when it happened naturally. Aka you were levelling somewhere and a player from another faction happened to be doing the same quest. There was no level scaling so if you were both on the same quest you'd both naturally be on same level range as well. No groups of 10 homosexuals running around specifically looking for people to kill, just organic stuff that happened by chance.

    It was a pretty good added fun element to your gameplay. But nobody can have nice things because there are people who abuse it and there are people who cry about it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yep, this. this is the only time World PVP is ever fun

      And EVEN THEN its only fun if you happen to bump into each other at roughly full hp, instead it always starts off shit for the guy who happened to get to the quest area first, is probably fighting a mob and gets jumped when at half hp with no way to win, and then becomes shit when both players are sort of hanging out hoping the other guy fights stuff, or aggros the mobs they are clearly also here to kill so you can easily kill them, etc.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >huurrrr 99% of the time it's some high level player bullying someone in low level areas
      Did these people even play the games they are talking about? Where do they get this bullshit percentages from? The vast majority of my wpvp from back then was like this

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Did these people even play the games they are talking about?
        sure did. WPVP sucks in every scenario outside of fullscale server wars

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't give a frick in what scenarios you wanna cry about, my post was specifically about the sort of complaint I greentexted about. I've had to deal with scummers going down to low level areas like literally everyone else, but I don't think people talking like that was all there was or 99 whatever bullshit percentage they take out of their asses actually played the game.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >my post was specifically about the sort of complaint I greentexted about.
            and i told you exactly what you asked for, homosexual. WPVP is horseshit and it is a net negative on every game it is implemented in as shown clear as day from all the replies in the thread telling it as such

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Can you actually read? I don't care if you think it's horseshit or not. I'm specifically talking about the argument of "that was all there was" or "that was 99%" or "that was the majority". Which are all blatant lies, except for perhaps the last one and only IF you were a particularly unlucky person I guess. It's amazing you managed to miss that twice.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look at this fricking autist taking everything that was said literally

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even if you are a just a shitposter, at least you managed to understand it after the third time. Congratulations. I think an actual child would have needed less, but I'm sure you gave it your best. Feel free to continue crying now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh it's a low IQ autist too who thinks pointing out hyperbole is somehow winning

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                many autists can't comprehend what others mean the first few times, so you'll have to forgive him

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just like the guy who needed 3 times to actually comprehend what was actually being addressed. It makes sense why you guys have been crying rivers for 5 hours in this thread.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Which are all blatant lies
                they're not blatant lies, they're the truth. and since you love being beaten over the head with truth i'll do it again just for you.
                WPVP
                is
                horseshit
                and always has been

                now reply to me again so i can beat you in the face one more time, it's fun

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        10 years ago i was the guy ganking low levels in zones 10-20 levels under me in archeage and then sitting in safe zones when they finally found 3 ball cuppers to help them kill me
        open world pvp is gay

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hurrr durrrrr the thing that happens in every mmo with PVP for the past 40 years happened?!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        While there is some pvp between similar level players, it's more often than not a higher level player ganking lower level players. It can also very easily go from someone asking help against a similar level player and then some max level guy comes to help and keeps killing all the lower level enemy players in the area

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>But it's unbalanced
    >it's the charm of it
    >>But it's unfair
    >Think outside the box you idiot.
    It's literally a numbers game. That's it.
    >b-b-b-but my obvious fictional ancedote about winning a large scale fight with a group of friends

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because you can't have both great PvE and great PvP in the same game.
    Would you play a MOBA or something like Rust for the PvE? Likewise you shouldn't play WoW for the PvP. WoW isn't a PvP game. It only has PvP because it's expected in a MMO.
    If you wanted a MMO with great PvP but bad PvE you would play something like Albion or VRising.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've never met a single person who exclusively does Wpvp that is good at the game, it's completely moronic and a waste of time.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because it hurts the poor casual's feelings
    they get real uppity when you make them take 5 minutes longer to finish a quest because they got killed by someone better than them

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lol, 5 min? try to be disingenuous harder. the world pvp homosexual is lonely because it's a mental illness of minorities

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BUT I ONLY GET AN HOUR AFTER WORK EVERY DAY TO PLAY

      MY LIFE IS A MESS AND I USE THIS HOUR TO ESCAPE

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        pve server is right there friend, calm down.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When levels are more important in PvP, you can't do anything to win if you are lower level.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because modern mmo players only care about number go up and esports.
    Even on pvp servers, pvpers are only doing it for pve gear. Casual pvp is dead, you cannot pvp casually because you are mixed in with the monogloids trying to optimize a childrens game while their life is stagnant or decaying

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    world pvp homosexuals are just bad players who rely on superior gear and level to win fights

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if wow taught me anything about vidya it's that people will do absolutely anything to avoid a fair fight

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Players (especially gen Z) have been conditioned over the years to loathe any and all inconvenience, and getting ganked while you're trying to collect five hundred bear asses is an inconvenience, and thus must be removed.

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The entire game needs to be designed around OW PVP. If you do it like WoW did it, it's shit.

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ambushed by someone 20 levels higher while grinding
    >do practically zero damage to him
    >die in 4 seconds
    >"damn, I should've outsmarted him"

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It hurts people's fee-fees.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, shocking that people play video games to have a good time

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I play video WPVP to make me feel better about myself. You are literally nothing to me but a tool for dopamine you filthy Black person

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if you need victims so much, maybe offer something more than a no progress death timer?

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At least classic is more balanced than retail. In retail well geared blood dk's can solo like 10 dps on world pvp.

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "You need to be inconvenienced and not have fun for me to enjoy the game" - world pvp players

    just enjoy their seething when they complain nobody wants to play with them

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it does exist, in eve and albion, but people in those games will actually fight back which terrifies all the "world pvp" homosexuals who really just want to gank defenseless lowbies

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10% of it is skirmishes between people of comparable levels and the other 90% of it is some nolife fricking homosexual 2-shotting someone 20 levels below him

    this is why no one likes or cares about wpvp

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know Black Desert is in a bit of a limbo because of its pvp.
    A lot of penalties and such are in place and pvpers are angry they are being punished for playing the game their way. It's a plausible complaint when you boil it down, considering pvp was the main focus of the game initially.
    However, those same pvpers are the type of people who go to grind areas that are way below their gear level just to grief people without any pushback or risk of dying, so they get very little sympathy from people trying to grind up the ladder and enabled these changes. There is 0 in-game incentive for this behavior. There is no challenge.
    This punishes actual pvp enjoyers who stick to areas at their gear level, the way the game intended, since doing so rewards you with the ability to grind in that area, until someone contests you for it. There is challenge here, and the reward is more loot because of the zone. Or they do actual pvp content, with its own incentives.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The black desert system interests me. The idea of being an actual outlaw who is attacked by guards on sight no matter where he goes because he was literally murdering people aka killing players who were not flagged for pvp is actually pretty interesting.

      I hear that the actual implementation is not as good as the idea though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it is indeed very shit
        it's why i stick to pvp minigames

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Can you elaborate on how it's bad?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Killing players eats at your karma depending on gear discrepancy. This is an account-wide value. Get to a certain point, and your gear becomes unusable if they have karma requirements, expensive crystals can now break, you literally cannot use any town services. In extreme scenarios, you can become red in as little as 3 kills.
            Fair right?
            Well it turns out the pvp system has a few ways to exploit it.
            Like goading a player to turn red to kill you, and a couple of your friends can now kill him and break his stuff, you lose nothing, and the guy who just wanted to grind the area in peace gets punished.
            There is also the issue of there always being a gear discrepancy in some form or another and killing a player will always give you a loss in karma, even if you were defending your zone from being stolen.
            There is 0 incentive to pvp when I have the feeling some butthole might gear swap after I decide to swat him out of my area, when instead, I can just move to a different zone/server/task altogether, because the game has a gorillion competitive zones with several rotations to choose from and a gorillion servers if somehow all of them are full.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's one sided and nobody wants to be stuck on the losing team because there's nothing you can do when its 4 on 1. People just go to PvE servers or join the winning side.

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >trying to get back into game (retail)
    >try to join guild because im casual and ill need a little guidance with end game content later on
    >nobody in the guild even talks at all, even when prompted
    >have to disable cheevo pops from guildies because MOP remix

    I even went into a fricking RP server, youd think if there were going to be more social-oriented guild it would be here.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's because Blizzard removed the social aspect part of the game, you can just click a button, get a group and never have to say a single word, because you it's not needed.

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    games that had world pvp self selected against it.
    games that had optional wpvp (like factions in wow) inevitably led to nearly every server being 99:1 in faction ratio because no one wants to be the underdog (and everyone wants to be the majority).
    games that had mandatory wpvp (like ultima online) are dead because no one can leave the starting area to level up.
    it's just a failed and dated concept and it failed repeatedly in many different ways.

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will say one of my most favorite experience in wpvp was during wrath many years ago where I was mining titanium and saronite and saw an enemy gunning after my nodes, so i engaged him.
    We would kill each other (admittedly i died a few more times than he did) over them for a good hour until he disappeared.
    Great stuff. Now contrast that to 99% of instances where you are either gangbanged, or ridiculously overleveled/overgeared. That's just no fun.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    While I know FFXI had Ballista/Brenner and they were not successful in the least (mostly because the game was never intended to have any kind of PvP at all and casters were OP as frick in comparison) but I did like the fact people from nations could compete for a weekly region control.
    There was competition, but not really PvP.

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yo homosexuals, just got an idea : number-based combat for pve, and dwarf fortress/rimworld body part-based combat for pvp.
    Both aspects would literally play differently, and don't even need to have two different set of items, though specialised items would be a given.

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I recently returned to wow and was pretty disappointed to see it's a toggle now like dofus. I can't entirely fault the logic they gave but it's still lame

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know if there's even a "PvP" server left. The entire list is PvE and RP last I saw.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah no seperate PVP server option you press a button to toggle it on and off inside faction capitals

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Level-Up mechanics are the cancer killing video games, and they are the fundamental reason any MMORPG fails at "open PvP"
    Survival games with no PvP restrictions actually thrive because combat is on the player, no RPG bullshit. A naked player spawning in has a fighting chance as long he has a minute to loot a stash and get a gun for himself before staring down the barrel of one. A solo survivor can outperform or escape from a gank squad with enough preparation and tactics.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah. Idiots think rpgs about bigger numbers, but they forgot that rpgs originally used numbers because human Dungeon Masters and then eventually computers literally could not handle anything more complex than that.

      Now in mmos character abilities are less about being abstract representation of an action in the world but an artifice to facilitate the damage-per-second reduction of hit points, another artifice that only exists because of DM/computer limitations.

      MMOs would have been better off if it was more like "I use my block ability, that means I'm blocking so watch out doing melee attacks or I'll take less damage and then be able to use my parrying ability!" and "¿Oh yeah? I'm playing a rogue I don't have a shield breaker ability. I'll have to lay a trap and retreat." instead of it being rng and then triggering dumb shit based off that rng which ultimately boils down to more dps.

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nobody likes open PvP except the gankers that race to level cap ASAP so they can gank with impunity ASAP

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I liked Wintergrasp. The higher players coaxed lower ones into turrets/vehicles to compensate for their lower HP because winning meant raid access. Everyone had a purpose, everyone contributed.

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s raiding parser homosexuals who hate PVP and especially WPVP because it means that someone can have worse gear than their gay minmaxxing shit and they can still lose. It means that the grey parser isn’t just someone they can exclude from their gay raid, he’s someone who can kill him and cuck his world buff. PVE raid loggers DESERVE to be griefed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >world pvp ... means that someone can have worse gear than
      what

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don’t need to have full bis to kill someone if you are a skilled player and get the drop on them. Rogues can kill anyone, and that’s a good thing.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >skilled
          >rogues
          pick one

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you were a skilled player you would understand the outcome is decided before it even starts, wow is an extremely easy game of rock paper scissor.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its too toxic for the new generations and by that i mean everyone born after 1995s

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is the real answer.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did he shit his pants?

  69. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Think outside the box you idiot.
    Says the cookie-cutter undead rogue.

    I quit Vanilla WoW because of undead rogue gankers and have no desire to go back.
    World PVP, by design, does not work in MMORPGs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is it okay if they are night elf rogues instead?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      filtered

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I had a horde rogue on Firemaw (99% ally dominated) from classic vanilla until classic wotlk that I constantly ganked and camped low levels with until they logged out. The amount of angry whispers I got was hilarious

  70. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People whining about world PvP are pussies. I have tons of great WoW memories with world PvP. The last time I played WoW was a little while before Classic came out, I was playing on a private server and this guy got so mad that I kept ganking him he logged onto his 60, flew to Desolace, killed me, then logged onto another account to rage at me in whispers from a level 1 on my faction. That was some funny shit. You miss out on this type of thing if you don't world PvP. Killing NPCs all day with nothing to break up the monotony is boring. It's hilarious when you go to do a quest and see some homosexual keyboard-turning night elf struggling with 3 mobs and shoot him in the back. I'm chuckling right now imagining it. I want to gank someone right now.

  71. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    World PVP is only a thing when there's fricking nothing else to do

  72. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's an example. I played Mortal Online 2's beta and in the starter zone a player ran up to me, asked "Are you THE anon?" over voice chat. I replied that I am. The man child then proceeded to SCREAM at the TOP of his lungs at me for about 20 minutes because I had camped a low level quest zone in World of Warcraft classic and he was the victim. That was YEARS later. That man never forgot. I got many keks at his onions-rage over video game pixels. Who do you think had a more fun and enjoyable time at the video game?

  73. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only MMO that did world pvp well was RF online, all the others sucked.
    Prove me wrong.

  74. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >example of a game where it worked has been dead for decades

  75. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because 99% of world pvp is just some form of griefing people who can't reasonably fight back. No one picks fights if they think they have a slight chance of getting killed.
    The best feature WoW ever put in was making PvP an opt in thing and getting rid of the old server system.

  76. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because its not popular

  77. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's not 2004 anymore.

  78. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because when I want to do a quest I dont want 5 Black folk who went into lower lvl zone walking around gangstalking me
    if I want to play PVP I will either use explicit PVP zones or play different game altogether

    not to mention that in most of this games PVP is shit and just a level/items/amount of players check

  79. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    supposedly black desert is changing their world pvp system so if you do nothing but camp people for too long you get flagged as a bandit and town guards will be hostile to you for multiple days

  80. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It sounds fun on paper but in practice it's not fun at all and will lead to most players quitting almost instantly the moment someone bullies them while they're still getting their footing and they lose progress and just give up. World PVP has been attempted by several games all of which had the same negative results and it kills the game every time.

  81. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You just get camped and get stuck not being able to do anything except log off and play another server or different game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that sounds like a working simulation of a living dangerous world

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In the real world you are dead and your progression path is to rest in peace, whereas in a game you are trying to come back to life and have some little b***h camp you over and over again
        World PVP would make more sense in a game or mode that revolves around PVP like Cyrodiil in ESO or endgame PVP in Aion
        It makes no sense in an MMO with forced single-player PVE questing until max level

  82. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >over leveled poopsockers sitting outside safe zones killing noobies who dont know any better
    >anyone outside minding their own business gets gang raped by 15 dudes on a discord call just to loot a shovel
    Le open world pvp is dead? Le why?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >making up scenarios based on reddit posts and youtube comments

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >r-r-r-reddit!!!
        >anyone thats ever played on a pvp wow server knows theres a level 60 undead rogue sitting at lakeshire 24/7 or a shadowmelded BM hunter sitting at a quest area in STV

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >wow pvp
          worst pvp in the genre kid, nice reddit opinion. try again

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Again I liked DAoC's design.
      There was a dungeon that all three Realms could control. You controlled it by your realm owning more keeps in the RvR areas.
      Once a realm got ownership of it, it would lock the other realms out from entering it (from their homeland) after 25 minutes, but those inside would remain.
      This dungeon provided experience bonus as well as dropped an alternate currency called "seals" which would be exchanged for gear and stuff.
      It was always fun being locked out, being inside, and then going to slaughter the low level players in the other realm's entrances. Eventually enough alarm would be sounded that higher levels would come try to exterminate you to stop you from killing their lowbies. Sometimes I had a group of 30 enemies chase me down for like half an hour or more because I spent two hours decimating the level 15s coming in.
      I liked this approach because it was optional to enter, but very appealing. If you got destroyed as a lowbie you knew you deserved it for entering it in the first place, and eventually the other realm would have less live bodies in it to kill you with (rewarding realms owning more keeps and relics for longer). Pic related.

  83. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they are still out there, they still have players
    i'm sorry you're too pussy to play them

  84. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Classic was a game where Wpvp was fun for about 6 days, then all the hardcore baddass pvpers came out of their 24/7 SM/ZF/BRD parties with full pre-bis and ran raid groups so they could take lv35s playing the game for fun.

  85. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The question in my mind is why are higher levels even able to attack lower levels? The fact this was even a feature and not a bug says a lot about blizzard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why wouldnt it be? back in the day if some shithead was ganking lowbies people would call for help in lfg/guild/general, and help would arrive

      why are people so fricking stupid that they dont know how to escalate? even if you were guildless you still had lfg and general, but being guildless and not having anyone to call on for help is just being plain bad at the game tbh. not calling for help is bad, and you just suck. skill issue.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if I wanted to get beaten up by Black folk and then call the police I could just do that in real life

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          except the pack of Black folk wont call in counter back up and start a riot after the police show up

          and you cant join the police in brutalizing them either

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lol all Black folk do is go out in packs just in case one of them gets his ass beat by a white boi and they all start hitting him in the back of the head
            Black folk are annoying as frick

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >except the pack of Black folk wont call in counter back up and start a riot after the police show up
            LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why would someone stop their productive labor just to revenge kill someone ganking lowbies? Why do you expect other people to solve your problems for free?
        If they're >5 levels below you you can't attack them, solves all the problems and makes the even wpvp fun
        Same with hp, you can't attack anyone sub 35% hp, no you can't just run up and assault someone
        Additionally you should rez with full HP to at least help against fanning

        What you don't realize is they did all of this to maximize the tax on player time to milk their limited content as much as possible, getting more monthly subs

        Wow was a psychology experiment nothing more

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >productive labor
          are you fricking serious? LMFAO

          faction/guild clout is worth far more than whatever fricking 'productive labor' farming shit for brains bot tier shit you're talking about. having bros to call on when you need to put a group together or something later on or maybe they have a profession youre in need of sure beats grinding alone bored out of your brain like a moronic homosexual

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            clout? for a guild of homosexuals it's ideal i suppose

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you rolled on a pvp realm you should expect pvp, full stop.

  86. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is world PVP almost non-existent in most MMOs these days?
    because most people don't like it
    SHEESH its not that complicated

  87. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>But it's unbalanced
    >it's the charm of it
    >>But it's unfair
    >Think outside the box you idiot.
    These aren't even arguments of any kind, you're literally just saying "it's good because... it is, okay!"

  88. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All the world pvpers turned into dark souls invasion griefers

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      people complained and complained until mostly things were switched to instance so you have no interaction with the mmo's world outside of the people you're in the group with. I miss the days of getting killed while out questing or farming and switching to hunting the guy that killed me or gathering a group to hunt the other group that killed me. cross realms also happened.

      pretty shitty version of pvp since you almost never face the same people and can't interact with them outside of that one instance of pvp. it's basically matchmaking which is garbage.

  89. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because Brack was 100% correct, literally you think you do, but you don't.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You have no idea how badly we intend to rape both vanilla and you
      How did he get away with it?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The second their faction has 49% on the server everyone transfers in droves
      And the two top servers in SoD are PvE servers because Blizzard forced PvP server faction balance
      Everyone "loves" world PVP when they have the advantage, not so much when they're the victim or even when it's a fair fight

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Everyone "loves" world PVP when they have the advantage, not so much when they're the victim or even when it's a fair fight
        speak for yourself, homosexual.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sabotage the populations by offering free unrestricted transfers away from certain servers because you didnt make enough servers because you were in denial about how shit your mainline expansion was doing compared to the hype for classic

      >you think you do.......
      kek

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He was speaking to normies... We were having a blast on Nost until they ruined it...

  90. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always liked the skull system in Tibia, felt like that policed the chaos a bit.

  91. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wpvp isn't fun. It's literally that simple

  92. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To me the only MMORPG where PvP feels fair is Albion and that game puts solo players and duos into their own instanced open world to protect them from groups. Group PvP isn't just about bringing more players as you take less damage depending on how many players are in combat with you.
    WoW PvP is just ganking or getting ganked like many other themepark MMOs.

  93. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a huge MMO pvpers of many a year who has played all sorts of shit-tier games for it even runes of magic, it depends
    Gaming culture has changed, for sure that is one aspect, but also if the game has a lot of investment to it and is focused on PVE then... well duh, people won't want to PVP
    Runescape for example, people PVP all day, it's a great way to get gear and money and such, and there's important stuff in the wilderness and all that jazz, but you're never forced into it, it's a PVE game where PVP is a good deal
    Shit like WOW was treated more of as an "immersive sim" than what MMOs ended up being, because it was still in the early age of the genre, tibia like people brought up a few times has lost a lot of it's PVP aspects and a lot of people play on non-PVP realms now, because the game these days is about the PVE primarily, games need to pick a lane
    Rust for example has "pve" but it's still mainly PVP focused, and it's still real popular
    GW2 isn't some hit game but WVWVW is also still rather alive
    Point is, the PVP needs to not be intrusive to the PVE if the PVE is the focus, but people will ignore it if there is no reason to PVP ever besides "pwning n00bs"
    Or it needs to be the focus
    Basically, the PVP system in 90% of MMOs is dog ass, that's what it boils down to

  94. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    one time i made people so mad in redridge i ended up surrounded by mages that kept me sheeped in lakeshire for over an hour (i was horde)

    i quite literally could not escape or do anything

    good times

  95. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love how PvP b***hes cry and moan when a game makes world pvp optional. What is up, fricker? Can't kill other PvP autists specced similarly to you? It's gotta be PvE players not willing to fight, otherwise you can't have fun? Yeah get fricked b***h.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nice reddit post friend
      upvoted for visibility!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because most people buy a MMO expecting to play PvE, not PvP.

      Doing PvP optimally usually requires a very specific build that you would never use for PvE.

      So, at the very least, you are dealing with a bunch of people specced at PvP bullying PvE players. The moment you meet a PKer you know you can't fight back because, even putting aside the fact that virgin spent thousands of years training PvP, there's the fact his gear and build are way more tailored for PvP than yours, so you have no chance at all.

      And that's not even considering that if there is any incentive for PvP (like getting the victim's items) the scene will be dominated by clans and large groups of players.

      It's like says: make a game where PvP players kill PvE prey and they'll line up for it. Now make it so PvP players fight each other and boom, instantly dead game. These people are cowards.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is it even possible to make PvP correctly nowadays? Like, in a way that allows PvE players to fight back? I think the only way would be to add zero PvP-oriented skills/builds, and keep the balancing team on top of it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          a big red flashing sign that tells people to press buttons rather than stand there and die would go a long way

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >make pvp accessible
          >give people a reason to pvp
          >don't have it intrude into the main game / make sure pvp is the focus of the game if you're really trying to push it
          Runescape literally does it, grab a budget pvp kit and go bash people in the head with a warhammer for cash

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Runescape is an awful example. You have zero chance of beating someone with even a basic PvP kit. The only redeeming quality is that if you go in the wilderness you will already bring PvP oriented gear, but imagine if it was mandatory open world pvp. You're with your PvE gear doing vorkath or whatever, and suddenly you have to fight some motherfricker with a warhammer

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >but imagine if it was mandatory open world pvp. You're with your PvE gear doing
              Mandatory open world PVP on a PVE game is moronic and every game that has tried to do it failed (yes, even wow)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, the point I was originally making is that PvPgays always want it to be mandatory open world pvp so that they can bully PvE players. The moment the devs make open world pvp optional the pvp b***hes start whining because now they can't kill helpless people. Why don't they just play with other PvPgays? Because that's not fun. They're bullies, that's all.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Because most people buy a MMO expecting to play PvE, not PvP.
        this is one of the big problems with Eve
        lot of people get tricked into thinking Highsec is 100% safe and then get salty when they get suicide ganked for the first time.
        Its better than it used to be though, the new tutorial they released like 2 years ago straight up kills you 3 times in fairly short order so players come to at least expect to die sometimes.
        but once in a while you'll get some mouth-breathing moron afk mining 1 jump from Jita and get ganked, or straight up fly into lowsec and cry that ppl killed him for no reason.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      consensual pvp is low stakes with no emotion behind it. when someone is fighting me back i want to feel like they actually really want me dead, and not just for the honor points

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and not just for the honor points
        It's odd how almost every moronic take on PVP is by wow players

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember New World too.

  96. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pvp sucks because high level players just grief low level players!
    >it takes barely a week of casual play to hit max level in almost every mmo on the market right now

    What's the PvE crybaby excuse for not being max level in a reasonable amount of time?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who are you quoting?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now answer my argument:

      Because most people buy a MMO expecting to play PvE, not PvP.

      Doing PvP optimally usually requires a very specific build that you would never use for PvE.

      So, at the very least, you are dealing with a bunch of people specced at PvP bullying PvE players. The moment you meet a PKer you know you can't fight back because, even putting aside the fact that virgin spent thousands of years training PvP, there's the fact his gear and build are way more tailored for PvP than yours, so you have no chance at all.

      And that's not even considering that if there is any incentive for PvP (like getting the victim's items) the scene will be dominated by clans and large groups of players.

      It's like says: make a game where PvP players kill PvE prey and they'll line up for it. Now make it so PvP players fight each other and boom, instantly dead game. These people are cowards.

      Again:
      >have a game where you need to do PvE to progress
      >except PvP players can attack you while you PvE
      >oh and if you don't have a PvP build your fighting chances are slmi to none

      How is this even remotely fair?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        name one game where you can't even attempt to contest without having a pure pvp spec while leveling

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In all of them the PKer has the upper hand.

          If you are attacking someone out of the blue you should have the lower hand, so that you at least need to put some effort in picking a good opportunity. That's my opinion.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            attacking someone who has used their CDs or full rotation on PvE gives you the upper hand by default

            it only takes an ounce of anticipation to hold your rotation and big CDs while you farm fetch quests with your main damage spells or whatever, at least until you're in a safe area or have homies nearby

            The threat of PvP is what makes it fun anon, otherwise you're just spamming fetch quests as fast as possible for the sake of doing higher level fetch quests in the future

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Okay but you don't even need to do that. If you have a PvP specced character you can just attack someone in the open, without any context, and you are very likely to win. That's bullshit and it's the reason mandatory open world pvp is not a thing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                name one game where this is the case anon
                there are many limiting factors to many games which prevent 'pvp spec' from simply auto-winning scenarios

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Any fricking game.

                why are you getting to half health fighting mobs in a pvp zone?

                Aren't you arguing for mandatory open world pvp? If pvp is constrained to a small zone somewhere whatever, no one will be against that, who cares, but pvpgays won't want this, what they want is to bully others.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Black person you got entire servers without pvp, what the frick do you need pvp contained to the cuckshed for? play on your fricking servers

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >want to play on the most populated server
                >also don't want to play on pvp server
                >so they play on pvp server and complain about pvp

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You moron, the entire point of this debate is that PvP players b***h and moan when other players have a way of opting out of PvP. They want PvP to be mandatory to everyone everywhere, and THIS is what we are discussing.

                Intuitively, if there are servers only for PvP and servers only for PvE, the problem would be solved. And it is for PvEchads. But PvPbitches don't consider this a good solution because they can't kill each other, they can only kill helpless PvEchads.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And it is for PvEchildren
                If only

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The threat of PvP is what makes it fun anon
              Yeah bro whenever a rogue unstealths on top of me into his iconic 10 second stun while I'm at half health from fighting mobs I do the wojak pog and call my mom over so she can see

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why are you getting to half health fighting mobs in a pvp zone?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are we playing some mystery game where mobs don't fight back?

  97. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one likes being ganked by homosexuals who outnumber you and/or beat you not because they are better than you but because they have bigger numbers than you and have been playing longer.
    Only a braindead MMOtard doesn't see the problem.
    People already don't like losing in games where the playing field as actually even.

  98. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay how about this PvP system:

    >PKing someone is a very serious crime
    >like, a very serious fricking crime, it's not just "wait 3 minutes and you can enter cities again"
    >a witness system makes it so if someone witnesses the aggression and reaches a city they automatically report the PKer
    >cities will be on full alert against the PKer for days
    >if the PKer is caught by guards, the character is locked out for hours or even days (to simulate prison)
    >these guards will also patrol the overworld, so staying outside of cities is not enough to avoid them

    This discourages senseless ganks in the open, especially in leveling areas, which is the problem most people have with PvP. If you get PKd it's because you were alone somewhere remote, so you could probably anticipate that it was a dangerous area.

    I also have another idea:

    >players get a damage bonus/resistance against other players that initiate aggression against them

    This puts the PKer at a disadvantage in any fight, forcing them to make use of opportunities to attack.

    Of course there would also be hefty penalties to the players that got PKd.

    I believe all this would make the experience more fun both for PKers and also for the rest of the playerbase. It would make PKing rare (because of how penalized it can be), but when it did happen it'd feel way cooler.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we had this in Archeage but it was ruined by publishers

      Are we playing some mystery game where mobs don't fight back?

      homie do you have consumables, defensives, stuns etc, or do you only right click on mobs until one of you is dead?

      Any fricking game.
      [...]
      Aren't you arguing for mandatory open world pvp? If pvp is constrained to a small zone somewhere whatever, no one will be against that, who cares, but pvpgays won't want this, what they want is to bully others.

      if the entire world is pvp, the entire world should be treated like a pvp zone

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if the entire world is pvp, the entire world should be treated like a pvp zone
        I will treat it like so by not playing the game, and most people will do the same as me. Your game will fail and you will eventually cave in and make open world pvp optional.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you still can't name a game where your imagined scenarios take place. You probably have very thin wrists irl and do not have many friends.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you still can't name a game where your imagined scenarios take place
            You autist.
            >WoW
            Don't think my resto shaman will put up much of a fight against anyone attacking him.
            >Oldschool Runescape
            This is the easiest example really. You can have gear worth literally 2 billions of gold and you will still lose to someone with 50k gold PvP gear.

            >You probably have very thin wrists irl
            Actually I have a disease that gives me muscles without putting any effort so I am pretty buff overall, get fricked.

            >you do not have many friends
            How many friends is "many friends"? I have a couple but they are good friends. Also stop projecting your insecurities at me.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              resto shaman wins against a majority of classes anon...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Haha, no.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        archeage pirate faction was such a good fricking idea

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >PKing someone is a very serious crime
      >these guards will also patrol the overworld, so staying outside of cities is not enough to avoid them
      You are basically describing MU Online

      >Penalizing PKd people
      for what reason, are you moronic?

  99. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its not even fun it doesn't take skill its just gankers if you enjoy it you're a ganker -t. huge pussy ablooabloo my repair bill

    it wasn't enough that they got their own servers, they had to make sure no one could enjoy the game in a way that they couldn't i fricking hate pve babies

  100. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Play uooutlands you fricking pussies. Full loot pvp old school 1997 and it's free. I've played this game for over half my life on different servers and my 13 year old son will smoke any of you 1v1 on a Mage too.

  101. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can only work in a full neural dive VR headset.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      with simulated rape mechanics

  102. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the first month of pure massive world pvp on classic wow was the only good thing about wow in the last 20 years

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why can't we have games about this instead of about characters' feelings?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      classic wow wpvp died in a couple weeks once people realized sapper charges melt zergs
      everything else was down hill

      classic wow wpvp could have been really great if they capped mage aoe and capped sappers to 3 targets

      instead we have mages hit 1 button and do 15,000 damage to a raid every 1.5 seconds

  103. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because you aren't playing an mmo, you are playing a themepark simulator for redditors and americans

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Finally someone posts a real PvP MMORPG.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        can't wait for the butthurt americans who got raped by a 4.1 gear player in the black zone to come here and call albion a mobile game because they have literally no arguments

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >game is bad because... IT JUST IS OK

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >fighting Harvester Cap abusers without Cleanse
            The gathering gear rework can't come soon enough.

  104. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mmo pvp Black folk wouldn't last a second in a full loot game like Hellmoo

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      uh, wouldn't the person playing it be the pvp Black person?

  105. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it's purely incidental, then yes it's fine,
    When it's optimized builds beating up unoptimized builds, it becomes unfun
    There's also the catch 22 where if you give no reward, nobody will do it (mmo players are highly adverse to doing things for it's own sake) and if you do give a reward, mmo players will optimize the fun out of it (playing a pure pvp build preying on pve players for free honor)
    It's an unsolvable problem

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      still can't name a single game where this is the case

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Without honor points as a reward people still fought for fun or to contest mining nodes, herbs, etc.

  106. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like when the game has PvP minigames that involve a more intriguing scenario than just having everyone kill each other. And I mean more intriguing than "king of the hill" too.

    Runescape had cool ideas with Fist of Guthix/Castle Wars, and Lunia had some super cool modes where e.g. one team defends a castle while the other tries to siege it.

    I think when PvP boils down to PvP itself it becomes lame and repetitive. When the PvP is just a tool for a bigger objective it becomes cool.

  107. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cause devs are balancing time commitment and pvp requirements. It simply takes too fricking long to be pvp ready, and the pve is already not fun at all in most of these games. The very most they could do is offer a good pve experience and have pvp instanced modes of various sizes be competitive money and exp, so if you want to be pve only then you can but if you want to be pvp only then you also can. A BDO sequel is about the only game that could pull this off due to the cool combat system, but asiatics insist on bloating their MMOs instead of refining them so we'll never get this sort of product.

  108. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Through many hours of investigation,aka playing guild wars pvp and archeage pvp, i have determined that latinx favela dwelling jungle swingers are 90% of what ruin free to play mmo pvp in NA because they shit themselves and cry in chat over everything and only try to fight if they have every advantage in the world like gear score or player count.
    Non instanced open world pvp is especially doomed in mmos because nobody wants to deal with some annoying homosexual ganking them when theyre trying to do something else, and it IS always an annoying homosexual every time

  109. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anon I've played through actual Vanilla WoW on a PvP realm and Classic WoW on PvP realms. In Vanilla the only time we had fun was when we ran into another raid heading to MC or BWL and a war to enter would erupt between all parties present and we would kick the shit out of each other. In Classic nobody did that shit because world buffs and other mummery, absolute anti-fun.

    Outside of that I can think of less than 2 hands worth of fingers to count where I had an enjoyable PvP experience like a cool 1vs1 or 5v5 to enter a dungeon and shit, of the literal several hundred world PvP encounters I got into in Vanilla and Classic. And I'd say the majority of those were in Vanilla where Classic was just unending suffering pretty much at all times.

    Save for those extremely few and far between scenarios where both our similar level 100% HP red name eyes meet with each other and we can't help but start a fight, it was always about having some advantage over the other before the battle even began. The rouge waiting for you at 50% HP, gank squads, starting a fight when a 2nd mob aggroed onto someone, people 3+ levels higher than you, that double Black person wearing full purples rolling up on someone in quest greens and blues who just hit 60, ect.

    Were those few times of WPvP where we got into a proper scrap great? Absolutely. Getting into 600 fights where you end up having fun in maybe 10 of them? Frick no. It's why BGs were made, where we can square the frick up in a proper way to an extent. Then the community does premade bullshit and ruins it all anyway because they want efficiency instead of fun.

    WPvP for the people who actually enjoy foightin' round the world has almost never been fun in the history of all MMOs, but if you enjoy ganking mother frickers then it was probably a gas and a half because the enjoyment came from making the other party suffer instead of the fight itself.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WPvP for the people who actually enjoy foightin' round the world has almost never been fun in the history of all MMOs,
      world vs world mode in gw2 was fun for about 6 months total in 2014 and then immediately died along with all pvp in the game, so at least pvpcels have that brief period of fun on their resume

  110. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ashes of creation is going to have open world pvp and is completely doomed to fail because its just a bunch of boomers thinking theyre all going to be some hardcore badass guild leader with 30 peons to protect them during open world pvp, the devs are going to pivot hard into pve once the boomers get reality checked

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's doomed because it's never going to release

  111. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ultima Online
    Darkfall
    Mortal Online
    Eve
    none of these games failed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      theres 3 dead games and a spreadsheet simulator on that list

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ultima online added trammel (no pvp identical world) extremely early in its life.
      They tried adding rewards to entice people into the pvp instances but they were always barren

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and then they made guild wars and factions(oranges) fightable in tram
        theres a reason a free pre tram server was.more successful than the wctual game
        what really happened was after publish uo removed house decay (at a basic level) they ran into a crisis
        minax for life

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Uh no player ran server comes close to peak retail which had over 200k monthly subscribers
          I played from t2a launch until a bit after aos and trammel was received quite well by everyone except the griefers much like in this thread

  112. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if your game has p2w it will never have good pvp, no matter what
    archeage had solved mmo pvp then proceeded to shit on it with p2w gear

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the koreans accidentally released the best open world pvp game of all time during the 2014 archeage beta, im glad i was able to play that during the 3 weeks it was good with the trading packs across the ocean and pirates

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anyone who played archeage and thinks the cash shop was what was p2w is instantly outing themself as a casual who never played the actual game

      Peruvian gold sellers were 10x more of an issue than the cash shop, you end up with homies like shawn spending thousands of usd every fresh start just because he can, when the official cash shop hasn't been p2w since 2018

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >shawnbae
        kek
        and yes, a game allowing gold buying is p2w

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          there are very very few instances of games preventing gold buying which is the real issue

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how the frick do free to play games handle the latinx menace, i play gw2 pvp and its 90% shitter south americans, and whenever i play a new mmo release i pray to baby jesus that i didnt accidentally pick the designated latinx server

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          impossible, if they put a ping block or block ip addresses they will have assassins sent to the studio

  113. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You had to be there to experience it.
    All the soft homosexuals of today are too pussy to do wpvp. And the boomers who grift saying it was shit were most likely shit at wpvp. Hence why they play gay boy games like ffxiv.

  114. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    things that make mmo pvp unfixably bad:
    gear score
    tab targeting
    level based damage and hp

  115. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pvpgays coping and trying to ignore reality
    reminder when wow classic had the honor system added to the game and world pvp was complete cancer as it became just an alliance raid group and a horde raid group doing laps around the level 55+ zones killing solo players leveling and avoiding each other like the plague

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wow is a bad game anon
      potentially one of the worst on the market, at no point have the devs had any idea what they were doing. They got lucky with a good legacy IP and have been riding it ever since

  116. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not interested in your pathological obsession with winning when I'm just trying to have a comfy time exploring and doing quests, frick off and join a battleground or arena.

  117. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the riot mmo with their elite hwid bans will save mmo pvp

  118. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PVP is only fun when it's at least somewhat balanced, world pvp is almost always much stronger players bullying weaker players who have no chance of even running away

  119. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pvp with no risks or rewards is completely pointless, that's why world pvp in MMOs is stupid

  120. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    On paper this seems fun. Imagine having guild battles where you can fight pretty much everywhere.

    In reality - Level 99 PvP Meta Build ganks and terrorizes everyone he can easily kill.
    If another player shows up to fight he runs away if he has anything to lose.

  121. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >But it's unbalanced
    >But it's unfair
    Those are more than good enough reasons. Doing Area for gear was not fun unless you were hardcore and had tons of patience. Once Blizzard added level scaling I lost interest in PVP altogether.

  122. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    watch, the autist is gonna come back with a page of nonsensical rants lmao

  123. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >World PVP no longer exists
    Surely MMOs must be thriving and more popular and more fun than ever not that they're all PVE paradises... right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah.

  124. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When you have low IQ, every single opponent feels like he is running the most pvp optimized setup possible and every single fight feels like you had no chance for whatever reason. It's the same for every game with pvp, not just MMOs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What games have power gaps like MMOs? Maybe a very snowballed carry in ASShomosexuals

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The most played game on steam right now is counter-strike, a purely PVP game and even if you have the basic pistol you still have a chance against someone with a better gun
      In mmos if the opponent has higher numbers than you you simply lose the fight

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        counter strike is an objectively shitty game regardless of its popularity, skill floor or ceiling

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nice cope
          but the point still stands, only mmos have pvp encounters that are impossible for one side to win

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the truth is not cope, homie.
            but yes you're right. MMO PVP is dogshit

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              thanks for admitting your post was moronic world pvpgay coping

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the frick are you talking about? i was agreeing with you from the start you turbotard

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >game LE BAD!
          Iconic comeback

  125. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pvp in mmo's, especially WoW was always the most pathetic tribalistic shit possible

  126. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is world PVP almost non-existent in most MMOs these days?
    Normal person's reasoning:
    >the majority of people experience world pvp in the form of a max level character one hitting them as soon as they made it to an open area and this turns people off because theres no gameplay or investment when this happens
    Autistic PVP gay reasoning:
    >REEEE how dare those fricking carebears not like getting spawncamped for hours on end?! yeah so what if I'm 70 levels higher than them and it is mechanically impossible for them to fight back or get away they're just bad at the game!!!!

  127. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not.

    WoW still has the rated PVP scene, it shifted away from world pvp due to little reward, flying mounts and easy teleportation.
    Runescape still has people losing 1000's of real life bux in PVP.
    FFXIV recently put effort into it's PVP content.

    Also if people really REALLY want cooldown based PVP they will play a MOBA or something.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are absolutely correct anon but the OP actually meant "why are level 60s camping level 5 people in starter zones dead?"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also if people really REALLY want cooldown based PVP they will play a MOBA or something.
      its annoying that so many genres realized what was fun about mmos and took those elements to make games that dont require you to do 400 hours of bullshit to get to the fun part, while current and future mmos sit around with their dicks in their hands wondering why the formula doesnt work

  128. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The playerbase that most modern MMOs have cultivated do not like PVP, especially world PVP because
    >they just want mountsmogscheevos
    >dying in a 1v1 situation is demoralizing
    >large group PVP requires coordination and teamwork but no one wants to socialize any more

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no one wants to socialize any more

      This is what a lot of diehard MMO players fail to realize, the community just isn't there anymore.

  129. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ganking used to just be some fun guy that would come home after school and sit in a little spot and play king of the hill with anyone trying to claim it.
    Nowadays it's some crackhead picking his nose that stays up for 24 hours

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >get ganked and shat on in 2024
      >you are now in some neets pvp gank montage

  130. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PVP is toxic

  131. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    RO PVP was the BEST!!!

  132. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is world PVP almost non-existent in most MMOs these days?
    All the classic old PVP MMOs were made in a time before WoW's mega popularity brought a large majority of singleplayer PVE podcast farming newbies into the genre.

    So almost all open PVP MMOs are dead.

    Your options are to
    >find MMOs with semi-active side PVP in them
    >play "not-MMO" PVP games like RUST
    >play Eve, EQ, WoW or a handful of other oldschool PVP MMOs

  133. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The solution to disincentive ganking is to enable world PvP but add hundreds of AI bots to every zone that simulate carebear players ripe for being ganked.

    All the games that create negative extrinsic penalties for PvP fail to account for the intrinsic reward of being able to exert power over another sentient being that keeps them going. With enough machine learning to simulate a lifelike human player, gankers won't know if they are even griefing a real person, leading to a soulless ganking experience they eventually drift off from since they won't get the dopamine hit from making a bot fake being mad at them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this happened on turtlewow
      leveling and gold farming bots were so common that you had no idea if you were killing real players or fake players
      as a long time ganker I was so demoralized by the situation I quit

  134. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    MMO PvP is dead in general.
    >People don't play it > Devs ignore it > Dies > repeat
    It's garbage compared to PvP games, sure. But in nearly every MMO I've played, endgame PvP is more fun than endgame PvE and is the most enjoyable endgame activity. Devs either put no effort into it, or they build the entire game around it to the point that MMO itself is garbage.

    The leveling and adventuring experience is still the most important part of any MMO. Endgame shit is just the flavor ontop. If the mid game is so shit you just rush to the endgame the MMO is shit and has failed.

  135. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    people clearly don't like it
    it is too hard to do pvp well and create the systems needed for it to be enjoyable, and impossible to do in a modern mmo played by adhd shitters who want 500mph pace 'gameplay' because fights are over in seconds and it's meaningless.
    if you want pvp, you play an old mmo, you play fricking daoc
    why is daoc good? old mmos have slower paced combat, fights can be quite lengthy, its not some twitch reaction bullshit game. combined with the fact it is designed around mass pvp, it means you are never actually engaging in 1v1's or anything else so "ganking" barely exists because everyone is rvr grouped anyway
    RFO got this right also, there is a pvp zone the 3 factions fight for control of on a set x hour schedule, so rarely does one side ever get stomped and camped because the numbers are never that unbalanced and one side isn't just randomly pre-made and coordinated vs solo players etc, so it has none of those issues

    big fricking shock, people design dogshit combat systems, dogshit balance and absolutely no systems to keep things playing out in the ways it should, and pvp turns out to be awful! wow
    almost like it takes work, extensive planning and balancing that mmo devs do not want to do

  136. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Awareness is a life saver; stealth classes have a huge advantage to bypass that entirely by giving people zero chance to anticipate an attack. If stealth didn't exist, it would be a lot more fair and the only complaint people would have is "I wasn't paying attention" or "I was outnumbered."

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And I was outstatted which is what happens 80% of the time

  137. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    MMO PVP has always sucked

  138. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I want open wor-
    You don't.
    >I loved getting gank-
    You didn't.
    >But I would get my fr-
    You wouldn't.

  139. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >this whole thread lmao
    Campers being mad that nobody wants to deal with their bullshit anymore lmao

    >just call for help lmao
    implying people nowadays cares lmao

  140. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because world pvp is the kind of spontaneous, virtual world bullshit that was cool when the internet was new, virtual worlds were a novel concept, and the only time you even got to be online was leisure time in your house at your desk. Now that everyone is always online 24/7 and the real world is a virtual world full of mundane bullshit no one gives a crap about that kind of gameplay anymore. People just want to log on and do their shit and not deal with unexpected bullshit because running into some other guy that just happens to be using the internet at the same time as you isn't cool or special anymore. MMOs are a dead genre because they don't offer anything novel or interesting now that online connectivity and multiplayer features are the norm.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this anon nailed it
      i could put up with forming a group for an hour, running to the pvp spot for 40 minutes, doing one fight for 4 minutes then dying and running back for 40 minutes because it was novel
      now it's mundane and no one gives a shit anymore
      it literally was a "you had to be there" situation

  141. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because no one but unemployed internet goblins wants it

  142. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is world PVP almost non-existent in most MMOs these days?
    just wait for ashes of creation
    the last bastion of western mmos
    if it doesn't release we probably will never have a good mmo ever again

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      more like the last bastion of archaic boomer oriented dead horse mmos, there's plenty of future left in a genre of massive amounts of players doing things other than jerking off horses to collect 50 vials of semen to then transport to 50 stationary npcs

  143. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PvP? Haha
    *installs seamless coop mod for elden ring*

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly just implementing the PVP counter measures from Dark Souls 1 would be good enough for most MMO's trying for WPVP.
      >engage in combat with someone around your same skill/gear level?
      >no harm, no foul
      >cheese someone by shooting them from rooftops safespots that ignore guards or killing greys?
      >time to sign an indictment to get blues to hunt your ass down
      Just change it from a bounty system to one where you throw their ass in jail for X amount of time so it'll feel like a true punishment.

  144. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every time open world PvP just devolves into griefing and ganking. Overgeared dickheads go rape undergeared noobs. If a fair fight shows up they immediately piss their pants and run away.

  145. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I miss when we could have dangerous worlds full of feud and drama even if it wasn't always fair, MMO players today just wanna grind out numbers in their safespace themeparks, frick this playerbase.

  146. 2 weeks ago
    sage

    Real world PvP hasn't existed since UO.

    If you weren't there for it in the mid 90s, you have no idea what its like, and you never will.

    It existed at one specific point in time when the wild west of the early internet, met with the technology to do massively multiplayer, and the population was limited to only the mostly western (but with a fair amount of asian) supernerds who found their way to it.

    I'm 40 and it was the best time I've ever had in a game. It was practically a spiritual experience.

    Sorry you all missed it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It still exists, sorry old man but there are still very active UO communities

      • 2 weeks ago
        sage

        >thinking private server facsimiles are remotely the same as the real thing, at that specific moment in time
        I guess if you can't deal with the truth, coping is all you have

        the first few months of Darkfall were the closest thing you could get, and 99% of you missed that boat too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >thinking private server facsimiles are remotely the same as the real thing, at that specific moment in time
      I guess if you can't deal with the truth, coping is all you have

      the first few months of Darkfall were the closest thing you could get, and 99% of you missed that boat too.

      >reddit spacing
      >utter cringe post
      like chocolate and peanut butter
      UO PVP was moronic and something you did with your friends for giggles because there was nothing else to do

      • 2 weeks ago
        sage

        >commits to meme-y in-group bullshit that only the dumbest zoomer c**ts on the board care about

        >doesn't realize it IDs him as a trump influx newbie trying desperately to fit in, just like he tried to and failed in high school

        >uses it against someone who was on Ganker for half a decade before he had even heard of it

        >makes up shit about a game he never played, at a time when he was nothing more than a sperm in his aspie dad's midget ballsack

        ok, sure pal, enjoy your brazilian private server, i'm sure one day you'll feel what its like to belong

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >oh no I look stupid now I'll double down absurdly in a vain effort to convince people that I was only pretending to be moronic all along
          nice try. Just take the L you're anonymous you fricking loser

          • 2 weeks ago
            sage

            nah, i'm sage, you can read it right there you tryhard pissant

  147. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's fricking terrible and nobody but psychopaths enjoy it.

    >but why did we like it back then????
    Because it was new. And people love novelty no matter if starts tasting shit on the long run, then they just move on.

  148. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modern players require some kind of reward for playing, no mmo pvp has participation awards, is always winner takes it all. In Wow retail/classic PvP gives no rewards for normal gamer

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you're just talking completely out your ass, you still get rewards for losing just lesser ones.

  149. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because it always ends up being either ganks or some max level dude camping a low level area
    if you actually enjoyed pvp and not just killing people who have no chance you would play the pvp mode

  150. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pvp in general has seen a decrease between all mmorpg games out there because zoomers are simply too much of a sissy homosexual to engage in competetive mmo gaming

  151. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because normies are fricking moronic and can't handle losing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But the most popular games are pvp games. And in a player vs player game one side always loses.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Casual trash that you jump on for 20 minutes then call it a day are not video games

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Matchmaking games don't count because they use forced 50/50 to manipulate you into staying "engaged".

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          hi clan_iraq

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And winning or losing 90% of the time because the other character is just straight up stronger is somehow more engaging to you?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It sounds to me like you get inappropriately mad about dying in a video game, even though it costs you nothing. Do you perhaps have a very fragile ego? When it happens, do you seethe uncontrollably thinking "if only I was at the same level/had better gear, I'd totally win with my SKILL"? Because in my experience people like you are shitters with or without gear

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >matchmade games don't count
              >getting oneshot by a lv60 rogue who camps your corpse is fair and you shouldn't be mad about it
              You should drink bleach

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stop getting mad at video games. Do you start tearing up, snot pouring out of your nose screaming THAT WASNT FAIR when someone kills you in a video game? You're a manchild.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do know that PVE servers were made specifically for homosexuals like you right?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I get inappropriately bored. It's like the power just went out and I had to wait 5 mins for my computer to boot. Something just happens and there is nothing I can do about it. Other than stop and go do something else. It doesn't matter if I am at the receiving or the giving end, in both cases I feel no satisfaction from my actions, because I feel like there are no actions, my inputs are meaningless, it's just few simple button presses and the results were already decided by the numbers.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I get inappropriately bored. It's like the power just went out and I had to wait 5 mins for my computer to boot. Something just happens and there is nothing I can do about it. Other than stop and go do something else. It doesn't matter if I am at the receiving or the giving end, in both cases I feel no satisfaction from my actions, because I feel like there are no actions, my inputs are meaningless, it's just few simple button presses and the results were already decided by the numbers.
                t. DSP

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't get what you mean. DSP always throws the funniest of excuses. For me I feel no emotion. I don't feel like I did anything. I wasn't there. I am just spectating and the show is boring.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You could call a friend and hunt that ganking c**t down like a man.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *stealths in your path*

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you could just send someone else to do the job
                >LIKE A MAN!
                ?..

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your character isn't you, a low level character is a baby that needs to be protected from predators.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. People still talk about shit like STV ganking because it gave the area distinct cultural recognition. It is objectively more engaging.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              STV at least had player incentive for higher players to be there. Grinding gold for their mounts, prepping for the arena chest fight, maybe a fishing competition if it was Sunday. Not to mention it was an excellent levelling zone due to how condense it was and how many neutral quests are there, so almost everyone would gravitate towards it. Which means that there also a ton of WPVPing with people cross faction in the same level bracket cause they were competing for the exact same quest.
              While on the other hand it's really hard to be some scrub in Redridge and view an orc rogue ganking everyone there with anything but contempt
              >"oh i'm sure he's here for the uuuuuhhhhhhh *checks map* copper nodes?"

  152. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >max level bis gear bro goes into early leveling zone
    >starts one shoting everything he's looking at
    why can't they think outside of the box to kill him bros?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I cannot imagine the kind of specimen that plays world PVP in MMOs, going around in a pack murdering actual toddlers that are trying to level, that then goes on Ganker and says that fair PVP matchmade games are "casual trash".

      What an enormous moron.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they could just, you know, not turn on their pvp flags in the starting zone (we know you're talking about wow)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i was talking about lineage 2 private servers from back in the day

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >pve server baby

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Vanilla lvl cap was 60. Starting zone is 1-10. Contested zones were 20-something. A lvl 20 has no chance vs 60, or 50, 40 or 30.

  153. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Casual trash that you jump on for 20 minutes then call it a day are not video games

  154. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    World pvp can be done well, but no version of WoW has ever done world pvp well.

  155. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    can't believe widely disliked feature in mmos died
    how could this happen bros

  156. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is everyone talking as if dying to a ganker is time lost? The moment you booted that game, is time lost.
    Dying in the game is part of gameplay, in WoW there’s only ress sickness that you need to worry about honestly. In Tibia, you lost items and levels, at a certain point dying there, meant weeks of “time wasted”.
    WoW has never been about getting to the end and experiencing everything the game has to offer, it’s always been player interaction first and foremost.
    If you disagree, you weren’t there in 2004-2006. Some players back then, were walking Thottbots, you’d add them and ask whenever you wanted to know something, player interaction you see, not having your screen full of addons.
    I understand the grievance though, like 90% of the people in this thread wasn’t alive back then, so how could you enjoy something like that.

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