Why was Skyrim more popular than Oblivion? I find Skyrim to be an all-around downgrade.
Why was Skyrim more popular than Oblivion? I find Skyrim to be an all-around downgrade.
Why was Skyrim more popular than Oblivion? I find Skyrim to be an all-around downgrade.
More marketable
Graphics, kill moves, less numbers tied to other numbers, less complications overall meaning broader appeal.
But Oblivion had killer graphics when it came out, for like a year. Skyrim looked a couple years behind all the other triple AAA games. Assassin Creed, Mass Effect, FarCry.
>But Oblivion had killer graphics when it came out
Wrong.
>Wrong
Tell me you were console player without telling me. Shit was cash on PC, wall parallax mapping was amazing to look at, textures were sharp for the time.
Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness, Ultima IX, VTMB and Half-Life came before and looked better than it. Granted the first three's gameplay was shit but Oblivion isn't far from it.
vtmb looks terrible
Oblivion's level scaling breaks the concept of the game.
It's mechanically a failure and unlike for Skyrim, mods for Oblivion really are essential.
No it didn't, the character models were immediately criticised.
However, the forests and landscapes were praised.
>But Oblivion had killer graphics when it came out,
Not really, but physics was killer feature that filtered my GPU back on release, could play only 1 year later
Magic was better in Oblivion
Skyrim is more accessible. Everything from the writing and looks is grimdark and looks like someone applied the desaturation CoD filter
bitch I played oblivion at 10 years old as one of my first console games, and it is to this day one of the easiest most accessible games I've ever played.
The writing is simplistic and EASILY consumable for a childlike mind.
Yes, but you see.. Skyrim is even *more* accessible. Do you understand? Is this message simplistic enough for your childlike mind?
no, i still don't get it
i'm trans btw if that matters
it's more memeable
>Why was Skyrim more popular than Oblivion?
i seriously think oblivion's potato faces put a lot of people off
Oblivion is worse in EVERY regard, except that it still had spell crafting. Yes, including quests and quest lines.
kill you are self
Spellcasting is markedly better, especially with mods. The casting in skyrim where you had to swap off your weapons is horrendous. The right mechanics are also miles ahead and not the casualized perk garbage
You don't HAVE to swap off your weapons. You just CAN have a weapon in your left hand, as opposed to Oblivion where that is *always* for wielding spells. You can easily play it that way in Skyrim if you wanted.
Are you retarded? Genuine question. Because in Oblivion you can have sword and board or two hander and neither affect casting, which is a separate button. Not the same as Shitrim.
>Yes, including quests and quest lines.
Bullshit. Skyrim's main quest and civil war shit is a lot more interesting Oblivion's for sure, but when it comes to factions Oblivion takes it by a wide margin. The Dark Brotherhood alone is better than all of Skyrim's questlines. And considering the kinds of games these are, the side content is a lot more important than the main story because the whole appeal is fucking off and making your own way in the world.
>civil war shit
Even that was basically nothing, the "war" exists entirely in the background and Ulfric and Tullius are both boring as shit and barely even talk to you
>side quests are entirely in the background
Yes, that's how it's supposed to be.
>Why was Oblivion more popular than Morrowind? I find Oblivion to be an all-around downgrade.
Oblivion had voice acting and a comfier atmosphere
Oblivion was dumbed down for 360 kiddies
And Morrowind dumbed down Daggerfall. Gaming has been becoming progressively dumber as its popularity rose.
You've never actually played Daggerfall, stop the larp.
You weren’t even out of your mom’s cunt when Daggerfall was released; don’t deign to tell me what I have played, zooms.
genuinely interested in what you think is dumbed down instead of refined
I haven't played daggerfall in ages, so that might have something to do with it, but all I can think of is that you can't write codephrases and rely on fixed keywords instead, there are fewer and smaller towns, you can purchase a cacarthorse house anymore, but I'd argue that it wasn't all that satisfying to begin with. Oh and the dungeons aren't such a randomly generated mess anymore - if they were at least procedurally generated I wouldn't even mention it, since most of MW's dungeons aren't very interesting either.
So was morrowind, for xbox kiddies.
Better graphics, "better" gameplay, more accessible world and Fable introduced normies to fantasy RPGs.
Momentum
>holy shit bros TeS game X was the GOAT and a new ones coming out!
>whats TeS game X? oh cool! maybe ill get the next one!
daggerfall sold like 120k copies. Hardly anyone played that game.
nta but you can play games way after their release date.
Somewhat irrelevant: 120k copies in 1996 was very good since gaming was tiny (especially PC gaming) compared to today
Game of Thrones comes out in 2011.
It's a massive hit so big even normies that don't like fantasy watch it religiously. My dad got HBO just to watch it and he never even watched LotR.
Skyrim releases later that year. It has dragons.
Oblivion already cracked into the mainstream so of course Skyrim followed up on that.
They wanted Bethesda to make an ASoIaF game earlier during Skyrim's development too, but Beth turned it down to focus on their own game.
snowball effect. started with morrowind. doesn't matter if older entries are better.
And Oblivion is inferior to Morrowind
Stupid N'wah
Also horse armor
The art direction really sucked in this game and it makes for an ugly game. Everyone was ugly and the game insisted on having NPCs stand ramrod stiff and zoom in on their faces while talking. Everything is like super saturated and bloomed to all fuck, or whatever is going on there. Makes everything look fuzzy compared to Morrowind or Skyrim.
The dungeons also suck. Linear caves/towers, linear Aylead structures, or fucking Oblivion planes. Not that this series is known for good dungeons, but it doesn't help.
I eventually came back and beat it and enjoyed the game overall, but I fully understand why people were turned off by it.
Oblivion is a salient example of accidental soul you simpleton. Yes the devs were retards who didn't know what they were doing but it just works. Sadly they weren't able to replicate this fluke in the future and all of their games have been bland.
To be honest, the atmospheric music in oblivion does like 90% of the heavy lifting when it comes to SOVL.
minstrels lament
King and country
Harvest dawn (classic)
Auriels ascension
etc etc
Wings of Kynareth is the best song in any Bethesda game
>ugly NPCs
>terrible quests
>extremely generic setting
yeah I wonder
excellent taste
oh yeah i forgot about that one. Indeed very good. Probably
1 Wings of kynareth
2 Auriels ascension
3 Harvest dawn
in my opinion
The town music is also excellent, Watchman's Ease is a big standout for me. Even the dungeon music is good and super atmospheric, I think the only music I don't really care much for in the whole game is the battle music
yes. I HATE jeremy soules combat music, in all of his games
They are either forgetable an dont hype you up or just straight up annoying
It just always sounds the same, there's no energy to it really. I don't even know that it's his fault so much as it is that it kicks on every 30-90 seconds for every single enemy you encounter no matter how inconsequential so you just kind of go numb to it, I don't need intense orchestral minor keys to accompany me killing a mudcrab
I might remember incorrectly but i dont think there was a "special" battle music for bosses and story critical characters. Just the same few songs for every battle
Yeah there wasn't, I want to say there were maybe 4 or 5 battle tracks total that cycle through for every single combat encounter in the game no matter how big or small
Soule's combat music is shit in every game. They all sound the same too.
They should have hired a second composer so he could focus on ambient music
The Gold Coast was TEEMING with SOVL.
The dungeons do suck though. 80% of them are bear cave or undead cave. The leveling system is broken. The only questline anyone remembers is the Dark Brotherhood and the final quest of the Thieves Guild, everything else is garbage, especially the Mages Guild.
The Mages Guild was funny though
No, not really.
Oblivion's visuals hit a weird point for me where it's obviously very flawed but it's just flawed enough that the imperfections give it a ton of personality and charm, that combined with its really colorful, comfy overworld still put it miles ahead of Skyrim for me. Half the reason I can never play Skyrim for more than an hour without getting bored and uninstalling it to this day is its ugly washed out grey and brown color palette, it's so horribly fucking drab and boring to look at
The problem with the dungeons isn't so much the linearity as the fact that there's nothing worthwhile to discover in them. Just the same level scaled loot you find everywhere in the game. At least Skyrim had the word walls.
Marketing, viking meme was big at the time, 11/11/11 meme release date. Oblivion is better and always was
I think it has something to do with timing
A lot of casuals had an Xbox 360, but many of them simply played sports games and halo
By the time skyrim came out, that group had already begun to branch out and buy games that they otherwise might not have played but that were really hyped
Oblivion was a Xbox 360 launch title that was quickly eclipsed by better games the following years.
Skyrim was highly atmospheric and a trendsetter with its barren open world, round copy-paste dungeon design, crafting mechanics and no enemy variety that every open world game copies to this day.
>that was quickly eclipsed by better games the following years
Like what?
Halo 3
CoD: Modern Warfare
Bioshock
Assassin's Creed
Forza 2
Half-Life 2
Portal
Better world and enviromental design.
Better gameplay.
Better visuals.
That's about it. Oblivion does have somewhat less shitty writing compared to Skyrim, but normalfag cattle doesn't care about writing and patricians aren't willing to settle for "shit but slightly less smelly". As a result, Oblivion doesn't appeal to any demographic.
Oblivion writing is leages above Skyrim's, even the "boring" subquests in Oblivion like the mage's guild are more interesting than literally any Skyrim quest
Read my post again, and this time actually comprehend it.
Yes, Oblivio's writing is superior to Skyrim's, in the same way that having your left arm chopped off is superior to being drawn and quartered. Neither is actually good.
Stop sniffing your assplug for a second and look at Oblivion's writing objectively, the main quest, fighters guild, and thieves guild stories are legitimately good
Dont forget about Dark brotherhood. Still the best guildquest line they've done
Dark Brotherhood was good but it's kind of plagued by mid-00s edgelord dialogue, it's just corny enough to work for me but you have to take it with a very large boulder of salt
Objectively you are a plebean moron with shit taste. It is your objective moral obligation to not only have a nice day, but do it on camera in the most objectively amusing manner possible, so you can compensate at least one billionth of the resources you wasted by your obcetively vapid existence by amusing people that are objectively more valuable than you are. This is objectively irrefutable.
Objectively.
NTA but yikes, this post is embarrassing. Thought you had to be 12 to be allowed on the internet
Your mother.
>main quest,
Close Oblivion gates 30 times for a final boss who’s a literal cutscene. Also the adventure game equivalent of being a cuck, you do all the work and Martin gets all the glory.
>fighters guild,
Wasn’t memorable in the slightest. I couldn’t even tell you the plot.
>thieves guild
Retarded Robin Hood shit. Completely killed the actual lore of the Imperial Thieves guild where they are allied with the Imperial government because the empire realizes the futility of trying to wipe out crime so they make their own guild that’s essentially controlled opposition. Oblivion completely ignored that unique take on thieves and made them enemies of the Empire and had all the quests revolve around you stealing from them.
Fighter's Guild is the one where the dudes are using Hist sap for super powers
>Close Oblivion gates 30 times for a final boss who’s a literal cutscene
We were talking about writing, not gameplay. Oblivion's main quest is interesting narratively
>Wasn’t memorable in the slightest. I couldn’t even tell you the plot.
Why bother commenting then? It's a mystery plot where you uncover a corruption scandal and drug trade within the guild, it's not the most original thing in the world but it's cool and interesting to see unfold
>Retarded Robin Hood shit.
Moron tier takeaway, it's absolutely nothing like Robin Hood
>Oblivion's main quest is interesting narratively
no it's not, it's soulless LOTR ripoff shit
Literally all modern fantasy is LotR ripoff shit, strike 2 slugger
Witcher isn't
or at least wasn't, if you only know tw3 and the series it might seems that way tho
none of the plot points are remotely similar to LotR
The only one I can think of is Martin being a secret bastard son to Uriel Septim, kind of like how Aragorn was a "secret" heir that lived a mundane life far away from Gondor
>Oblivion's main quest is interesting narratively
No it’s not. It’s the most generic good vs evil story imaginable for most of it. The most narratively interesting part comes at the very end when Dagon “wins” by ending the Septim bloodline and causing massive change but that’s a very small part of the whole story.
>Why bother commenting then?
Just showing that the fighters guild was forgettable.
>it's absolutely nothing like Robin Hood
It totally is though. The Imperials are suddenly oppressors who overtax the poor district and want to eradicate the thieves guild. The Thieves Guild are good thieves who give to beggars. This portrayal of the Empire as oppressors completely clashes with the rest of Oblivion, let alone the rest of the series. They are greedy because they need to reenact King John’s England in Robin Hood.
>This portrayal of the Empire as oppressors completely clashes with the rest of Oblivion, let alone the rest of the series.
The Empire of man are the good guys. The Elves are evil (especially the Dunmer) and the beasts are backwards, yet the Empire is benevolent enough to try and civilize them. Cope more about it.
>t. retard
Morrowind is literally:
Empire = Romans
Morrowind = Palestine
Dunmer = garden gnomes
Nerevarine = The Messiah (not Jesus, there's a difference)
>It’s the most generic good vs evil story imaginable for most of it.
The vast majority of high fantasy stories are good vs evil
>Just showing that the fighters guild was forgettable.
To you, sure. It's one of the more memorable quests in the game to me, and better than every Skyrim quest
>It totally is though.
How do you misinterpret a story this badly? Grey Fox is absolutelt nothing like Robin Hood and his whole aim is purely selfish, he wants his identity and life back and to shed the mantle that was forced upon him. He sort of adopts a Robin Hood-ish role to help in his ultimate aims, but he doesn't care about the politics of the province at all. He just wants to be a normal man again and does everything in his power, even ordering and helping you to steal a fucking elder scroll, to make it happen
>The vast majority of high fantasy stories are good vs evil
Skyrim main quest isn't and that's why it's better than POOlivion main quest
>It's one of the more memorable quests in the game to me
lol even that one quest about the redguard fugitive women in Whiterun is better than the gay guild questline in Poolivion
>The Imperials are suddenly oppressors who overtax the poor district and want to eradicate the thieves guild
It’s literally one guard captain (Lex) and his lackeys. Obviously the thieves guild is going to wine about how he’s oppressing them but from his perspective he’s just trying to clean up the streets
>Better world and enviromental design.
Skyrim is literally nothing but grey and brown rocky valleys and snowy mountains, Cyrodiil has every environment Skyrim does plus vibrant verdant forests, a dry steppe in the southwest, and a swampy bayou biome in the south
>Better gameplay.
It's literally identical aside from magic
>Better visuals.
Blander visuals, it may have a bit better graphical fidelity but the art design is significantly worse and Bethesda games are not known for their astonishing hardware pushing visuals
Animations and character models are dramatically improved and almost comparable to other games at the time
Oblivion doesn't have dual wielding weapons/spells or shouts
>Skyrim is literally nothing but grey and brown rocky valleys and snowy mountains, a dry steppe in the southwest
Skyrim also has a good bit of vegetation and it contrasts well with the snowy and mountainous parts.
>Cyrodiil has every environment Skyrim does plus vibrant verdant forests
They're not vibrant, they're gaudy.
>and a swampy bayou biome in the south
Swamps are a net negative on any enviroment, you're better off not including that chunk of the map at all rather than filling it with a swamp. That said, Skyrim also has swamps, the best Hearthfire house is located near one.
>It's literally identical aside from magic
Skurim has dual wielding, and attack animations look a lot better because they have wind-up and momentum, unlike Oblivion melee that just glides and floats. The slicing aound effects are also a bit better in Skyrim.
>Blander visuals
Cracking gamma up to maximum doesn't make your visuals more exciting.
> it may have a bit better graphical fidelity but the art design is significantly worse
Oblivion faces are ugly, Oblivion armors are ugly, Oblivion weapons are ugly, everything in Oblivion is ugly.
>and Bethesda games are not known for their astonishing hardware pushing visuals
It's not about reflections and shadows and texture resolutions and whatever the fuck, it's about artstyle.
>Swamps are a net negative on any enviroment,
Actual brainlet take, all swampy biomes are not Fromsoft swamps
>Skurim has dual wielding
Goofy meme for 10 year olds
>everything in Oblivion is ugly.
The only ugly armor in Oblivion is the glass set and the orcish set, everything else looks fine to good. Skyrim has just as many if not more hideous, retarded looking armor sets and weapons, the daedric armor and weapons alone are fucking hilariously stupid looking and worse than anything in Oblivion
>Actual brainlet take, all swampy biomes are not Fromsoft swamps
I never even played any of the fromslop games, you dumbshit.
>Goofy meme for 10 year olds
So are videogames. Nice job failing to address the more important argument by the way.
>The only ugly armor in Oblivion is the glass set and the orcish set, everything else looks fine to good. Skyrim has just as many if not more hideous, retarded looking armor sets and weapons, the daedric armor and weapons alone are fucking hilariously stupid looking and worse than anything in Oblivion
You sound like a subscriber of a sword autism youtuber. Skyrim Daedric shit was hillariously absurd. Oblivion Daedric shit was just the same thing but less pronounced and with hemmoroidous diarhea texture all over it. And once again, being less absurd does you no service if you're still absurd.
>I never even played any of the fromslop games, you dumbshit.
GRRRR SLOP SLOP SLOP
>So are videogames. Nice job failing to address the more important argument by the way.
I really don't care, dual wielding is fucking gay and so is anyone who thinks it's an improvement on any game it's in
>You sound like a subscriber of a sword autism youtuber.
IF YOU THINK STUPID THING LOOKS STUPID YOU GOT THAT OPINION FROM LITERALLY WHO YOUTUBER
Stop replying to me you fucking idiot, Shitrim fanboys are the absolute dumbest fucking retards on the internet
>GRRRR SLOP SLOP SLOP
Y u so mad, bro?
>I really don't care
I accept your concession, then. No sense in reading the rest at this point, though I will consider it if you ask me in a nice enough manner.
Gaming was more acceptable when Skyrim came out. Was still stigmatic back in Oblivion's time
when oblivion came out it was a bigger game for pc and not as many people had powerful pc's back then.
skyrim probably had better console support and also more people could run it on their pc's.
Oblivion had a better world, faction quests, and side quests in general but Skyrim BTFO Oblivion in almost every major aspect.
>better dungeons
>better gameplay
>brought back shit people liked from Morrowind
>better gameplay loop
>better main quest
The only thing Skyrim did worse than Oblivion was the dumbing down of the mechanics and RPG-ness of it, but like every Bethesda game that got fixed with mods.
Oblivion was already very popular with people who don't usually play RPGs. I even remember hearing people describe it as "fantasy GTA."
Skyrim is a lot prettier than Oblivion and had a huge marketing campaign on top of being a sequel to a critically-acclaimed popular game.
Because it came after Oblivion.
Oblivion was boring as fuck. So was skyrim but at least combat felt better as did magic. Also no retarded level gated sigil stones to enchant.
Magic was so much worse wtf?
It sold more copies and looks better
>BUT ACTUAKTYYALYYLYL SKYRIM IS SO MUCH BETTER UGH IT HAS LE BETTERER COMBAT (ignore spells being bound to hands) AND UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DA LEVEL SCALING IS STILL SHIT BUT LESS SHIT AND UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FINISHING MOVES ARE KEWL
Turns out having worse quests, less variation between character builds, smaller cities, a worse alchemy system, a worse lockpicking system, inns that are pointless, worse spell variation and worse DLC doesn't matter when you can have prettier waifus. I can respect people who think Morrowind is the best but Skyrimfags are retards. The same type of mongoloids who think Fo4 is the best Fallout game because MUH GRPHX MUH WAIFU MODS
level scaling is actually fun if you're trying to make the game hard because the only way to succeed on higher difficulties is to outpace your own level in power by having an efficient build.
>a worse lockpicking system
Skyrim's lockpicking is so fucking dogshit and I hate that they started using the shitty Fallout 3 system in fucking everything, Oblivion's lockpicking is genuinely fun and actually requires a bit of skill and timing
Fallout 4 is better if only because it has non RNG gunplay
Spells should be bound to hands. Not doing so turns every class into a boring battle mage.
Oblivion ran like shit on brand new hardware. (720P on the newly released GTX 7900 was 34 fps) Skyrim was easy to run.
Level Scaling was off putting to the vast majority of players
Skyrim was dumbed down, getting rid of stats being tied to skills entirely
Dumbed down the combat too since the majority likes button mashing, no more attacks using stamina, unless it was a power stance, and being tired decreasing your damage output so everyone could just button mash away.
Skyrim did a few things right, got rid of weapon and armor degradation, not a whole lot of leveled equipment loot, got rid of the speech/barter wheel.
>not a whole lot of leveled equipment loot
you mean they didnt add glass and daedric to bandits/mauraudrs
its super annoying how everyone acts like that was the worst part of oblivions level scaling. its such a superficial part of it.
>>Bro they fixed level scaling in skyrim lets GOOOOOOOO
>you mean they have areas with minimum levels and minimum levels of loot
>you mean they have hand placed loot that isnt tied to level?
>you mean they fixed power creep so high lvl enemies and player doesnt have bloated stats so you arent punished for making a roleplay build?
>you mean armor rating does increase exponentially to the point of absurdity so super high levels dont need to be attacked with elemental damage in order to do meaningful damage?
>>nah bro bandits dont wear daedric lets gooooooo
Can't you just mod most of that out,I had a buddy that bought the switch version & he said the marketplace mods were actually running alright on the system?
Attacks do use stamina tho?
Or maybe I'm confusing it with a mod
Heavy attacks do, normal swings don't
No. Skyrims combat was massively simplified from Oblivion. Oblivion's combat was actually, from a strictly mechanical standpoint, quite good. It was a strongly emphasized and advertised part of the game, because people hated Morrowind's. The problem was that it got completely cucked by the animations and level scaling, which is all that was remembered. But mechanically, Oblivion had stamina management, stance breaking, nuanced blocking, distance management, relevant power attacks, and dodge rolls. They unironically put a lot of effort into it, did a pretty good job, and completely undermined it by burying it in atrocious animations and stats. Skyrim was a massive downgrade other than the animations and level scaling.
Fus Ro Dah has its moments when Gamebryo registers shouts, but working towards those skills in Oblivion felt better. Holding back and doing a power attack to send enemies flying back was kino.
I bought skyrim because morrowind was good. I played oblivion and had fun but it had too much procedural loot and enemies and was somewhat disappointing, it was on a level of enjoyment like far cry where i had fun and said "that was awesome" but i wasnt interested enough care about the next one. Except I thought skyrim might be the game they backtrack their design philosophy regarding dumbing down everything and make a setting that felt more like high fantasy that TeS deserves. I was super disappointed with skyrim but the DLC areas made up for it.
Oblivion looks like a grass lawn full of ambulatory potatoes.
People forget how important and influential Oblivion was for putting the 360.
better atmosphere, bigger marketing budget, simple enough for everybody to enjoy
I can't wait to replay this. I haven't played it since it came out and I just know the memories are going to come flooding back. Used to borrow my grandma's shitty compaq laptop and play it all night. It's funny how I phew how to pirate games back then but didn't know you could mod them.
Better graphic and mod support.
Oblivion's level scaling is the most retarded I've ever seen. The game is unplayable without mods.
play a mage and you dont have to worry about the retarded armor scaling of enemies.
Nah, It's entirely doable vanilla. You just need enough foreknowledge to understand that character creation is a lie and to pick skills that aren't what you actually plan to use to play the game primarily. Ideally skills whose advancement you can precisely control like crafting. Even at release word got out pretty quickly that leveling was fucked and you wanted to create an inverse of your intended character.
>Morrowind works because trainers are fucking everywhere and no scaling
>add scaling and remove trainers
what the fuck was the logic behind Oblivion
Oblivion does have trainers anon
only 5 per skill
5 per level, if you level up you can train 5 times again
no, I meant only 5 trainers per skill. Meaning Blade only has 5 trainers in all of Cyrodiil for example. Meanwhile in Vvardenfell trainers are fucking everywhere and more skills in general mean it's easier to get +5 modifiers when you level.
Probably more necessary in Morrowind because getting around the map is harder, you don't really need 25 trainers in every skill in Cyrodiil when you can just fast travel to towns
>do mostly thief stuff in morrowind
>get rich, have no combat skills
>can pay trainer to get you to 50 in longblade, which is passable for like 80% of the game and a good start
VS
>do mostly thief stuff in oblivion
>get rich, have no combat skills
>can pay trainer to get you to 5 extra points in longblade, which is nothing
>better find a way to level up again and increase the level scaling even more before you can train again haha!
>enemy armor also keeps scaling, turning enemies into damage sponges specifically to physical damage dealers.
thanks todd.
Bethesda is just dumb/doesnt care. its what happens when a bunch of marketers get control of a franchise and then put in random stuff until it looks presentable then move on and let modders fix things.
Skyrim sold mostly on Bethesda's reputation that got built up over time. Morrowind and Oblivion in particular were big "babby's first RPG" games of their respective days due to having presentation similar to the more mainstream FPS games to ease new audiences into the genre. You can throw Fallout 3 into the mix for bringing in an audience that wouldn't have been into fantasy aesthetic. Combine those two audiences and the momentum of a studio that seemed only capable of releasing smash hits and you ended up with INSANE hype for Skyrim from the moment it was announced before any other marketing could be done because of the legacy fanbase they had cultivated and grown.
I think it's a pretty safe bet that TES VI will be more popular than Skyrim as well. But I can't be 100% confident because Bethesda's reputation has shaken a bit, with Fallout 4 and Starfield both doing less well in reviews than they were used to (despite still selling phenomenally) and the disaster that was 76 (regardless of how much Todd's team did or didn't contribute to that game, he put his face on it all the same), they may have a little more to prove here instead of just purely being able to survive off the hype.
Shitlibion is garabge
shitty bland dungeons all of them look the same
shit potato faced NPC's
shit meme tier voice acting (except for very few characters)
shit level scaling killing any fun you can have with the game
shit empty map with nothing cool in it
shit combat
shit economy
the only decent things about Shitlivion are graphics (Skyrim is better obviously) soundtrack (Skyrim is also better) and quests
>soundtrack (Skyrim is also better)
Shitlibion only had one track that is better than Skyrim OST but overall Skyrim OST was better than Shitlibion
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Skyrim doesn't have good music
gay
>m-muh slow piano piece
Objectively worse than literally every Oblivion overworld track, only musically illiterate people think Skyrim's OST is better than Oblivion's
>m-muh slow piano piece
just like Shitlivion
Thanks for admitting you have no clue what you're talking about, Shitrim anus slurper
ah yes All's Well the piano at the start always reminds of Demon's Souls and Pandora's Tower for some reason, good music
a levelling system that works
1. Better graphics.
2. Better combat.
3. Less retarded leveling system.
4. Magic is actually fun.
5. Dragons.
>5. Dragons.
Yes, normies buy games with dragons.
Why do you think it's called Dragon Age when it has no dragons?
D'oh.
It had one didn't it, in like a sidequest near the very end of the game that has no buildup or plot significance whatsoever
Not in the base game, maybe in DLC.
>trailer shows party fighting a dragon
>you spend entire game fighting zombie-things
>no dragon to be found
I might be thinking of DA2, still probably the biggest waste of time of any game I've ever played
There's the High Dragon in DA:2 that killed the miners, but I think it requires a specific action in Act 1 to trigger the event.
you're such a gay DA2 is great
you probably think BG3 is good lol
>DA2 is great
my sides
>DA2 is bad because uh...it just is okay!
>we've reached the point in contrarian culture where people are actually defending Dragon Age 2
Did you really like pressing X to Awesome that much, anon
Bad graphics, bad combat, bad asset reuse
Companions are so awful I can barely remember them
Anders is a bigger cunt than Gale and Astarion combined
At least there were some story elements that were good
I might even say the game as a whole is worse than Andromeda
>At least there were some story elements that were good
The second act with the Qunari was kind of interesting but it has nothing to do with anything, the game has no main story. It has three separate acts that all have literally nothing to do with each other and then the game just ends
It honestly is that simple sometimes.
>we've reached the point where zoom zooms are defending DA2 and the death of Bioware
I'm glad Bioware is dead, Mass Effect 1 was the last good game they made
Mass Effect 1 was trash the fuck you smoking, the sequels were much better
and DAO was the first good Bioware game
>Mass Effect 1 was trash the fuck you smoking, the sequels were much better
No
>DAO was the first good Bioware game
DAO is garbage
It was clearly rushed
DA2 is bad because of it's absolutely horrendous asset reuse. Especially environmental assets. It's not even like Mass Effect where the reuse was limited to the minor optional side stuff. It's all fucking over the critical path. I'm mostly a DA apologist and have played the whole trilogy multiple times. But some fun narrative design innovations cannot save DA2 from being mediocre at best.
DA2 is one of the most slapshod half baked games I've ever played in my entire life, the entire game has one dungeon layout that's copypasted 30 times and there is no plot
>one dungeon layout
no it doesn't, sure it has lots of copypasted ones but so is the deep roads in Origins but you gay turn a blind eye to that
>there is no plot
ah i see so you dropped the game before you even finished act 2
>Bad graphics
they're decent not bad you gay
>bad combat
literally better than Origins
>Companions are so awful I can barely remember them
you probably like chudigan the whore of the swamp you shit eater, DA2 had the best companions (not counting Isabella the slut)
You don't need to keep the charade up anon, everyone knows what you're doing
go ahead and tell me how DA Inquestion the GOTY is also bad you contrarian gay
only Ganker you'll find delusional subhumans pushing for the narrative that DAO is the only good game meanwhile in reality 2 is a beloved game and Inquistion is regarded as the best and most popular in the trilogy
but when similar contrarians try to push a similar narrative like ''morrowing is better than Skyrim and Oblivion'' you gays will cry and seethe
I didn't play Inquisition, are you one of those apes who thinks a game winning Oscars means it's objectively good? I sure hope you loved It Takes Two and Sekiro then
>didn't play Inquisition, claims DA2 is better
>doesn't like Sekiro
Congrats, you're retarded. Do your parents know?
What the fuck are you even gibbering about you absolute lunatic?
Can't read. Sad. Many such cases on the /v.
you are a contrarian chud a part of a loud minority of fags with shit taste that are completely oblivious to what the general population view as good or bad
Dragon Age 2 is good
Dark Souls 2 is good
Resident Evil 6 is good
all these games are popular and received positively by the masses despite what narrative your little circlejerks try to push
add Fallout 3 to the list of good games that for some reason contrarian trannies claim it's Ackshually bad
>Dragon Age 2 is good
It's garbage, literally half finished
>Dark Souls 2 is good
Yes, it is
>Resident Evil 6 is good
It's garbage
This is such a bizarre line of shitposting, are you trying and failing to use reverse psychology? I said game awards DON'T make a game objectively good and you responded to me with a list of poorly critically received games as proof of uh, something
and i say you are a gay with shit taste
DA2 is good and RE6 is the least good numbered RE game
and i can already tell that just like the loud minority of contrarian chuds i mentioned you think that garbage REmake is the peak of the horror genre LMAO
RE4 is the best and scariest horror RE game, deal with it poser
You're babbling again Rajput
>better than Origins
Origins had bad combat too
>best companions
Who?
Anders/Justice is a right cunt.
Varric sounds like a Whedon character.
Aveline is such a non-entity I forgot she existed.
Your sibling is forgettable.
Fenris looks like a Final Fantasy knockoff and while he's a good concept he was executed horribly.
Merrill isn't remotely interesting outside of her foray into Blood Magic.
we discussed and objectively proved da2 was one of the worst games ever made more than a decade ago. no amount of time that passes will ever make da2 acceptable. the matter is settled
BG3 is literally just high budget DA2, with all the same flavors of gayry and incompetence but with much more money and effort behind it. How can you be such a raging queer that you like DA2 but at the same time not be enough of a queer to like BG3? Even normalfags are queer enough to like BG3.
BG3 is a completely different game to DA2. It might have gayry in it but it's nothing like DA2, what a stupid fucking post. Delete yourself.
Yes I absolutely agree. I think Skyrim is overall better than Oblivion because of the reduced level scaling, better world building etc., I just also believe that Oblivion had better combat, magic and quest design.
>BG3 is a completely different game to DA2. It might have gayry in it but it's nothing like DA2, what a stupid fucking post. Delete yourself.
Larianchud opinion has less value than the oxygen consumed in order to sustain you long enough to share it.
Depends on your definition of forced. I did manage to avoid all the aggressive gay advances made on my Hawke because I was a complete asshole to everyone, but I did have men flirting with me more than I would have preferred, which is none at all.
It did manage to cure me of my completionist autism where I used to take every single quest, which I stopped when I saw an exclamation mark above the head of an elf ladyboy prostitute with the only available dialog option being "How much for a night?".
>B-but muh [arbitrary pedantic detail]
What the fuck ever, bearfucker.
DA2 does not force gayry upon you, you can completey ignore the gay shit
it also had no bestiality
not to mention it was a good game and the ACT 3 was the best part unlike in BG3
BG3 has multiple unique zones and exploration
DA2 is all in the city except for the segment where you find the weird statue in the underworld (I forget the in-universe name0
There are several dragons actually. There's the Flemmeth fight, there's the dragon you fight in the Andraste Ashes quest, there's the archdemon himself, there are a bunch of smaller dragons dotted here and there, and that's about all I remember.
Eh, I forgot about Flemeth, but I don't really count the Archdemon. I guess it technically is a tainted High Dragon.
>Better combat.
literally how?
it's literally "stand in place and click mouse button"
you cannot even get knocked down if you have low stamina unlike oblivion
I'm convinced the people who think Skyrim has better combat than Oblivion never levelled up their combat skills in Oblivion, so they never got the paralysing moves or sweep strikes, never learned to flip over bros in combat etc.
All that shit goes to waste with the presence of the worst implementation of level scaling in video game history.
I've heard people say this so many times over the last 15 years and I still legitimately do not understand what the fucking problem is, enemies get stronger when you level up to compensate for your increased ability? Why is that bad?
because you never actually feel more powerful if you're fighting level 40 bandits with daedric armor
and because the enemies scale better than you thanks to the busted ass levelling system
Would you rather fight mudcrabs and level 2 bandits with fur armor and iron axes the whole game? I don't get it
Don't look down on Mudcrabs!
I fought mudcrabs tougher than you!
some scaling is good
keyword being SOME
at some point Cyrodiil gets overrun with ogres and minotaurs and all the minor monsters just fucking disappear
also this goes without saying but bandits should not have daedric armor
Because its retarded as much, imagine if the basic bitch monster was as strong as an endgame tier monster just because you had a high level, that's oblivion scaling
Skyrim does that too though, if you spend time leveling up armorer or speechcraft or whatever instead of combat skills you end up fighting level 40 Draugr Gaperlord Sphinctersplitters
you'd have to be profoundly retarded to fuck up the Skyrim scaling, meanwhile in Oblivion you have to pull some metagaming shit just to stay on par with them
if you level smithing your upgraded weapons would be more than enough to handle any threat until you gain some combat skills
I loved it when the Goblin became a Goblin Warlord inside that one early game cave I forgot to explore and then it took 15 minutes to kill him, or when those desperate bandits from the hill next to the city where dressed head to toe in fucking Daedric armor and then it took me 20 minutes to kill him. It's an RPG, the whole point is getting stronger, so if the game punishes you for getting stronger, then it's a shit game, because you will never be strong enough to not make your hits feel like anything other than hitting your enemies with sword shaped pillows, and it does wonders for world building when everything in the map is now strong enough to kill and take over everything. Wouldn't Fallout be great if after 5 days of playing everything on the map was Enclave super soldiers and Deathclaws?
I can't think of a single fight I've ever had in Oblivion in the entire 17 years I've been playing it that took me 20 minutes, maybe you just suck at video games?
If that's all you extrapolated from my post then I fear you may have more problems than just a gross misunderstanding of good game design.
Try consolidating your arguments more so people don't get bored reading you drone on and on about the same point, this is your failing not mine
It's pretty easy to make the game level FASTER than your combat skills grow in effectiveness. Especially true If you happened to pick a "class" with stuff like Athletics or Acrobatics which just level passively. If you aren't "Leveling Efficiently" (https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Efficient_Leveling) it was pretty common to have to frequently adjust the game difficulty slider to avoid getter reamed by enemies.
>go full autism on alchemy and level up like a retard a couple of levels
>suddenly enemies are so strong you cannot defeat them because your combat skills are still low
I dunno anon
This literally does not happen, You can make 450 shit potions at novice level alchemy without leveling up and still sell them for a pretty big profit
Doesn't happen unless you are intentionally cheering the game and only trying to level up as fast as possible without prioritizing any other skill and not leveling up your main attributes on level up. People that complained about level scaling either cheeses or just are bad at rpgs and didn't understand basic stats
I never had any problems. I think this is just zooms not understanding the level up screen and not prioritizing the right state for level ups. Its like oblivion was your first game so you didn't understand you had to pick the right skills on level up. Or you tried to cheese level ups like a retard by maiming acrobatics and jumping eberywhere
I remember playing through oblivion on consoles and I couldn't get into Skyrim. And I didn't even like Oblivion that much. Skyrim just felt really sterile.
>sterile
I guess on XBox, but it's the most degenerate fan base of all time on PC.
same reason starfield will be more popular than skyrim
lowest common denominator
more people bigger market more retards more crap
gaming is dead
The one thing I really miss about Oblivion when playing Skyrim is being able to cast a spell while using a two-handed weapon. The skyrim two hand system fucking blows.
people really enjoyed oblivion, had never played an ACTION ADVENTURE rpg at the same scope as oblivion before (things being compared to oblivion the most at the time were things like dark messiah of might and magic which were level based curated linear games), so people were literally waiting for the next one with pretty high hopes and then the trailer came out showing dragons and shit at a time when dragons and shit were very few and far between in vidya rpgs and viking culture shit was just picking up steam. hit all the right notes at the right time to get not only fans hypes but all their normie friends too.
Skyrim was casualized even harder than Oblivion was just to get an audience
the difference is Skyrim is actually functional
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You aren't getting any more (You)s but are you actually illiterate
bro you said Sekiro was bad because it won awards eat a bag of baby dicks
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Where did I say Sekiro was bad?
the worst thing about Oblivion was that speech mini game you do with every NPC it was fucking awful
what the fuck were they thinking?
Did you not figure out that you can hover over each option to see what facial expression they make before you select it
It's still bad even when you get really fast with it.
it gets dull very quickly, couldn't they think of another way to level up speech that isn't this retarded?
even the buy/selling shit to level up was done in a retarded way
>you sold an item worth 1000 gold? her is a slight speech level increase
>oh you sold 10 spoons? here is 10 times the amount of exp you got earlier!
Just bribe them dude, it bypasses the whole minigame
>Just bribe them dude
with what? the economy in Oblivion is fucked up you can barely stack up enough health potions
it is only after tens of hours ingame before you start having enough money for that shit
You kidding? With novice level alchemy you can make enough trash potions to get rich before you even get to Weynon Priory
yeah but you wouldn't normally know that especially if your first time is playing a melee build so you obviously ignore alchemy all together
The game's been out since 2006 dude, there are very few first time players. It's been picked apart for almost two decades now, 99% of people who play know how to break it entirely within the game's set boundaries
>dude Le the game is Le old! go ahead and look up guides tips and even spoilers to break the game it's okay there is no reason to experience the game blind and play it in your own way!
what a gay
i played Oblivion two years ago and the only things i looked up was mods to fix bugs and shit like that
do i regret it? no because it made me realize Oblivion is garbage and that all of it's internet fanboys are lying
Are you retarded? Did you just play Oblivion fir the first time a month ago? Would you be blindsided if I told you that you can turn off your flashlight in Silent Hill 2 to make enemies stop chasing you, or is that just guidefag shit that no one could have possibly figured out on their own? Do you even play video games?
>comparing the flashlight attraction of monsters in SH (something everyone figures out on their own) to broken esoteric shit in Oblivion like the fucked up level scaling requiting meta planning to work around it
normal games may need few tips here and there but Shitlivion needs an entire wikia page to ensure you'll get a somehow decent time with the game
Imagine needing an excel spreadsheet to figure out how to play one of the easiest RPGs ever made
>Shitlivion one of the easiest RPGs ever made
>t. did not sleep out of fear from leveling up after watching a youtuber video explaining the level scaling in detail
you didn't beat the game
>zoomshitter projects his own scared importent experience with a game onto someone who first played it 17 years ago
Try again champ
>first played it 17 years ago
you looked up how the level scaling works in Shitlivion before you played the game back in 2006?
lmao what a gay, i bet you had the guide book sitting in your lap as you were playing the game loser
>you looked up how the level scaling works
No I just played the fucking video game you twitching retard, are you actually so stupid that you legitimately cannot conceptualize someone playing a game without spending two hours googling meta builds and strategies? Holy fuck
>No I just played the fucking video game you twitching retard
and you didn't question why the same weak enemies you used to easily kill are now much stronger and with bloated health taking much longer to kill? yeah i call bullshit on that
i doubt you were even out of your diapers 17 years ago
>why the same weak enemies you used to easily kill are now much stronger
Every post you make further exposes you for never having actually played the game, who's putting you up to this? You very obviously have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you must be being directed by someone
i called it, you didn't experience that shit you little lying zoom zoom gay
you obviously played Shitlivion in the last few years using a mod list from reddit
You need to stop, Cody. No one is buying your limp bullshit, go hashtag vape naysh or whatever it is you fuckwits do
Just been scrolling the thread, I enjoyed the continuous bait. Thanks for the chuckles.
Nice samefag you fucking gay lmao, holy shit you dumbasses literally always out yourselves so obviously
You think it was impossible a different poster read through the thread and saw you baiting purposely continuously giving out false information? Okay retard, kek.
You have school in the morning Jimmy, go to bed before you make yourself even angrier
Lol. Lmao. You're projecting. My brothers and I played the game when we were children without internet assistance, and without major issue. Figuring out functional builds isn't that hard even without doing efficient leveling. But we also were accustomed to reading game manuals. We found out about level memeing much later, tried it, and stopped because it made the game too easy.
>we also were accustomed to reading game manuals
stopped reading there
you didn't beat the game
I’ve noticed that whenever I read a poster on this board use the word “esoteric” to describe something in a video game that they usually seem to be insanely retarded
"Esoteric" is a word exclusively used by drooling zoomers to mean "anything that doesn't have a blinking arrow over it that says 'GO'," zoomers are allergic to experimentation and figuring things out for themselves
Even beyond that I’ve read a couple of posts on here that just use the word completely incorrectly, as if it meant “elite” or “unique” or something. Fuckin dumbass kids on my funposting website are giving me headaches
It's comical, zoomers have such a fucked concept of english. I'm worried about the future of the language but I also know I'll be dead before everyone that actually knows how to speak it will, so small comforts I suppose
words like ''ludokino'' and ''soulful'' are right up you alley you pseud
You sure have a lot of fucking examples you posturing fagwad, got any of me saying anything even remotely close to that?
may you get sodomized by troupe of feral wild Black folks you community college dropout
Go to bed Tristan, you have school in the morning
Both feral and wild, wow. You’re quite the wordsmith, anon.
You’re seeing red, junior.
he is a product of his time, that is to say, a zoomer.
they have a different philosophy about games, everything is just supposed to present itself to you, and it's the games "fault" for making them "waste time" to figure it out
he tried to do the right thing (play without a guide) but his mind is frankly poisoned, and once the initial NEW THING feeling subsided and he was left to his own devices for a couple frames, it all came crashing down.
and now it's our fault for trying to get him to enjoy things as they are
kys gay, i grew up playing NES games
Shitlivion is simply a badly designed game, whether i played it last year or when it came out my verdict on it won't change
You're 20 and your first video game was CoD MW2, stop posturing you lying zoomer gay
older than you zoom zoom and i never played a CoD in my life
i can tell you didn't even knew what ''esoteric'' meant before you first saw it posted here, illiterate pleb
Yes Tyler you learned a 15 dollar word in english class last week, you're doing a very good job applying it to your language but you need to try to remember its definition before you use it
>I can tell you didn't even knew what ''esoteric'' meant before you first saw it posted here, illiterate pleb
You really couldn’t be further from the truth if you tried. It’s cute that you think you have to be well-read to know that word.
>It’s cute that you think you have to be well-read to know that word.
says the one triggered because i used a sophisticated word
sophisticated for your simpleton brain that is
Good lord, anon. I hope high school is treating you well.
we're not begging you to like oblivion.
when you mature a little you will be able to empathize with perspectives not your own, and even find enjoyment in the exercise.
you are the only one replacing every third word with "shit", sputtering incoherently about things you never even tried to experience.
>i grew up playing NES games
this is irrelevant, and frankly insulting to yourself. i don't know why you would posture like this.
i don't know what has worked you into a tribalistic oblivion vs skyrim frenzy but i want to remind you it's entirely possible to enjoy both games and just prefer the other.
Brehs just brew up a spell that increases NPC disposition by 100 for a few seconds and just mind control everyone with it.
>boast, coerce, joke, and admire all at the same time to everyone in the game and they like you more
it's retarded but I headcanon it's some kind of gaslighting technique you develop that confuses their senses
>Don't talk such rot.
>Really? Oh, how I envy you!
>That's not funny.
>Please, don't hurt me!
most of it can be chalked up to not constantly being in the menu screen, faces not looking like potatoes, muh kill moves, muh dragons, muh vikings
Gaming was just a bigger market by the time skyrim came out.
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Have you had your saag paneer yet today sir, you seem very angry and irritable. Please calm down sir and do the needful
My problem with Oblivion is that almost everywhere you are on the map you feel like you're walking uphill or downhill. The slope is pretty steep too.
You’re right. If you’re playing in third person running animations look especially strange when going up or down and incline, too.
Oblivion animations are famously bad, I remember hearing it was because Todd hired one of his college buddies to do them all who had very little actual experience
Oblivion looks worse than Morrowind, it's basically unplayable if you didn't started playing at the time it was released
>t. 22yo
Oblivion had more Soule
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>Skyrim main quest isn't
Alduin is literally called the World Eater and plans to destroy the world, and the main character has to stop him. That's as plain good vs evil as can conceivably be written
>blah blah blah Poolivion
Why am I even talking to you
Gaming grew massively between Oblivion and Skyrim, a whole generation of normie kids bought 360s to play Modern Warfare/Black Ops and Skyrim was well marketed to them. It also built off the success of Oblivion and Fallout 3
everyone that played Oblivion first knows how much better it is. There is no possible way to play the guild quests in Oblivion and then move to Skyrims fetch quest mmo level shit for most guilds especially Dark Brotherhood and Theives Guild should notice the extreme drop in quality. I dropped Skyrim the week it came out because of how god damn boring and unimportant everything felt and went back to my heavily modded Oblivion. Sure I had Oblivion modded into the best game ever but I'd played it a TON. Skyrim should have been able to entertain me longer than just 6 fucking hours but no, it felt repetitive and pointless to do most guild questlines so fuck that. WHY CANT THEY JUST WRITE DECENT STORIES LIKE THEY ONCE DID.
"A Brush with Death" (quest where you enter a painting) is one of the weakest quests in Oblivion yet still completely mogs every quest in Skyrim.
I must have been some kind of godlike gamer genius when I beat this game when I was 12 years old despite the level scaling. I don’t remember it really making the game much harder
I don't either, I've been listening to people bitch and moan about it for years and fucking years but I can't think of a single time I ever actually found Oblivion hard
I honestly have no idea. I had trouble my first playthrough because I was 10 or something and did a full retard thief build and max leveled non-combat major skills (sneaking, lockpicking) right out of the gate. One explanation from my older brother on how I fucked up and I never had a problem again. He almost exclusively played with the difficulty maxed and never had problems despite not delaying leveling.
Can I beat the main quest by choosing a prebuilt class?
Yes?
Then why is everyone complaining about level scaling? Why would you keep playing the game after being it?
I beat the main quest and every "big" sidequest as a 16 year old dumbass in the 2000s that knew absolutely nothing about classes or stats, the people whining about it are zoomies who have never played video games that don't wipe their asses and stroke their cocks for them
We aren't talking about beating the game, we're talking about leveling efficiently, and leveling efficiently involves level scaling, and you would know all this if you didn't just get your stupid gay ass in the thread just now to shit out your retarded questions.
Oblivion's goofy leveling system and scaling.
>"hmm today i thin i think i will make a female nord barbarian"
>"aww fiddlesticks i slightly leveled up athletics and smithing time to get raped by the gobbos"
;^(
is this game any good? im a zoomer
Modded it's decent, vanilla is kind of rough.
Yeah, it’s good. The main story is kinda weak, but the expansions and a lot of the side quests in this game are great. I personally like it a bit more than Skyrim even though it’s way uglier and has a worse main quest.
it's garbage, just play Skyrim
Yes, if you like good writing and the best music in any RPG ever but can also handle dated mechanics and npcs that all look like hilarious freaks
No. Oblivion is purely a nostalgia game enjoyed by 360babs and no one else. Play Morrowind instead.
Nah it's shit.
Desire to replay Oblivion is intensifying. Uh oh
The quests were more fun, but there were a lot of obvious issues I saw.
1. You spent most of your time digging through boring Ayelid’s caves while Skyrim is more forgiving of this. Skyrim at least send you to the overworld more while Oblivion is full of dungeon quests
2. NPC are ugly as fuck.
3. The level scaling is ridiculous after you reach a certain point. You can barely damage early games enemies with a sword that use to one-shot them. Luckily, I play as a mage, so this effect doesn’t bother me that much, but it’s still annoying that killing a simple enemy take a lot of my magicka.
>digging through boring Ayelid’s caves while Skyrim is more forgiving of this.
Draugr ruins were more boring and samey than anything in Oblivion, man
No they weren't. Both games were full of copy-pasted assets but Oblivion's were ugly as sin and didn't have centrepiece areas or bosses to differentiate themselves from eachother like Skyrim did. The only thing Oblivion has on Skyrim dungeon-wise is the layouts weren't as linear
>Why was Skyrim more popular than Oblivion?
Genuine question - were you alive when Skyrim trailer hit the internet? It pretty much went viral, so the normies being normies picked it up and followed like fucking lemmings
>LOL FUS-ROH-DAH! XD
>OMG DRAGONS LIKE IN GOT!! XXXD
>CHECK OUT THE MAIN THEME TUNE PLAYED ON VUVUZELA AND ALUMINIUM TRAY BY A POPULAR YOUTUBER XXXD
the majority of these """people""" have never had any clue about previous games 8n the series exiting
think about it - normies out there are still asking about Skyrim 2
Skyrim trailer came out before Game Of chuds, chud
>normies only watch trailers when these come out, not when their normie friends share them on fb
I think that the key word here is majority, anon
Trailers went viral before Gay of Turds, chud projector
no one gave a fuck about Goyslop Of Trash back in 2011, it only became mainstream and popular around 2014
Skyrim is what introduced normies to GoT not the other way around, in fact your zoomer ass may not remember this but in 2012 they released a GoT game (a shitty bland Dragon Age Origin clone) and it went under the radar because the IP was not popular yet
The Lord of the Rings movies introduced normalfags to fantasy on a large scale in fucking 2001 you stupid larping zoomer, why are you pretending to know shit you obviously don't? You really need to go to bed Timmy, first period is going to be really rough tomorrow if you don't
we're talking about GoT here not LOTR you gay
LOTR were a phenomenal big budget hollywood movies based on a a book by popular writer meanwhile Gays Or chuds was a shitty show with low effort sexual and edgy shit based on a shitty novel (LOTR ripoff) by a shitty writer no one heard of him or cared about, it took it years to gain the attention of normies
but Skyrim was already hyped to oblivion before it even came out
i always thought it was because of that vikings show? didn't it come out in the early 2010s?
Vikings came out in 2013
Vikings were never popular around normies they were seen as these boring bearded guys wielding axes but Skyrim made Vikings reddit tier
well to be fair How to Train Your Dragon was the first media that made Vikings cool to normies and surprisingly it has many similarities to Skyrim and it came only one year prior
shit you're right
https://old.reddit.com/r/skyrim/comments/nnm4l/so_how_to_train_your_dragon_must_have_been/
real normies play shit like call of duty and fifa, not modded skyrim. also where does an aesthetic like this fall into? it was popular in games from the late 80s/early 90s like golden axe and shit. this is definitely more in line with skyrim than LOTR.
>real normies play shit like call of duty and fifa
yes but if normies ever decide to play a RPG then you can make sure it's Skyrim, Witcher 3 or Elden Ring, or whatever trendy RPG at that specific time like now it's Bestiality Gate 3
>where does an aesthetic like this fall into?
the generic fantasy/medieval clusterfuck? only the bearded guy resembles Vikings and he's ''cool'' or interesting for the normies back then
the buffed dude and the bitch are Conan inspired and they are definitely not in line with Skyrim or LOTR (unless it's a modded Skyrim)
i agree it's a big clusterfuck, but those tall buffed blondies also looked cool in their bikini armor. golden axe isn't low fantasy either because you can use spells.
they look like they posing in a bodybuilding tournament, why the fuck the artist gave them modern undergarments instead of loincloth like in Conan
>The Lord of the Rings movies introduced normalfags to fantasy
you mean not all the sword and sorcery movies in the 80s?
>Skyrim is what introduced normies to GoT
got got popular because of sex scenes and shock value from main characters dying.
>the majority of these """people""" have never had any clue about previous games 8n the series exiting
Oblivion was already hugely popular with console owners well before the Skyrim hype train ever started, much more so than Morrowind was
>normies out there are still asking about Skyrim 2
because they know it's the only good TES game while Oblivion and Morrowind are garbage
so why bother making the sixth installment with a franchise with only one good game (Skyrim) when you can just make a follow up sequel to Skyrim and call it Skyrim 2
Fallout 4 is the best elder scrolls game you scrub.
One big thing I would assume is that upon starting the game, it doesn't immediately ask you to commit to a playstyle for a game you haven't even started playing yet. Fuck that shit.
Oblivion was the worst one
Oblivion is the worst game in the series
I don't get skyrims popularity, its so drab. I never bothered to replay it
Dragons, marketing budget, also oblivion was initially only released on 360 & it was still visibly an RPG game which made it intimidating to normies.
Skyrim has a better atmosphere and more varied landscapes.
Bigger audience, oblivion built on Morrowind s success and primed Skyrim for the insanely huge release it was.
The industry skyrocketed in the years between the games. Skyrim had many times bigger "target demographic"
What mods do I need to make NPCs and my character look good? I forgot how terrible the faces are.
None, you embrace the freak mongoloid faces because they're funny cartoon idiots with funny cartoon voices
Modding.
more people had xboxes and ps3s when skyrim came out
thats literally all it is
broader internet, better virality
>downgrade
Nah, it's better most of the time.
An oblivion remaster would have been so fucking awesome
Instead we got 5 skyrim rehashed, the skyrim of fallout (fallout 4) and shartflop
Oblivion on PC is a broken buggy unstable crashing piece of shit with no controller support
God fucking dammit
but we did get two Oblivion rehashes, Fallout 3 and NV and both of them were good unlike Oblivion
the gog version literally never crashes for me and the mod "NorthernUI Away" adds controller support and is very easy to install, I've been comfortably playing my character on the couch with my pc plugged into my tv for like a year now
>all the random bullshit in this thread
skyrim was more popular because gaming only went truly mainstream in the early 10s and skyrim was the first elder scrolls game to come out during that time and appeal massively to redditors with its dumbed down gameplay, that is all, literally that's it
ALSO
oblivion>skyrim and anyone saying otherwise is a zoomer, normalfag or casual, literally everything is a downgrade, yes even visuals
>gaming only went truly mainstream in the early 10s
wrong, gaming went mainstream when SA came out and everyone and their grandmother bought it
Oblivion was shilled as GTA but in medieval setting during the times where normies were hungry as they were waiting for GTA IV
you have no idea what you're talking about clearly, the difference between 2008 and 2012 gaming popularity is insane, it was smartphones and general increase in access to the internet and social media that went alongside gaming truly going mainstream and skyrim was one of the first games to be propelled by that to a scale not seen before that point
Skyrim released around the time when nerd culture started becoming mainstream. If you told people you played video games as a hobby when Oblivion released you’d get punched and your money stolen.
>If you told people you played video games as a hobby when Oblivion released you’d get punched and your money stolen.
kek what everyone i knew back then had a ps2, even femoids playing shit like themepark
>If you told people you played video games as a hobby when Oblivion released you’d get punched and your money stolen.
same thing would happen today
gaymers are losers and shunned down by society
Fus ROH da you dolt and the music was more epic and not as jokey
>all the fags praising skyrim itt
zoomer gay summer is never over on this website
Trailer was LUDOKINO
Quest markers.
why is he using a blunt sword
Skyrim came later
Asian girl!
It's a Star Wars prequel situation where tons of fags who liked the old one would go out of their way to say how shit it was until it became a meme. Oblivion is like Bethesda's Revenge of the Sith
It came out later
Because Oblivion has atrocious art style to look at with too much bloom, ugly characters and completely weightless animations.
Even if you don't like Skyrim, at the first glance, everything seems passable. That's not the case with Oblivion.
Not to mention the most broken leveling/level scaling, which prevented the spread of good word.
That's not rocket science.