Why wasn't this game critized for being a casual hallway simulator like XIII? Posted on May 24, 2023 by Anonymous Why wasn't this game critized for being a casual hallway simulator like XIII?
Because when the majority who criticize XIII originally played X, it was one of two, maybe three games they had access to, all of which were bought with their parents' money. Their appreciation of the nothingness that was FFX came with the context of their lives.
XIII was criticized for more than that.
this. "final hallway" was just the lowest-hanging euphemism for "ff13 sucks". it was far from the only issue
This and VIII are the ultimate litmus test for NPCs, nostalgia pozzed cucks. If the former says they think FFX still holds up, they’re an NPC. If they say FFIII is better when they first played it or it still holds up, they’ve passed the test and have good media literacy.
Most retarded shit I've read all day. Congrats! Incoherent and feeble attempt at gatekeeping. Try using less buzzwords next time, good lord lol
Anyone who uses the word NPC unironically can be safely disregarded. It's like you don't realize how much of a parody of yourself you are.
>t. triggered npc
Who are you quoting?
i second that
you sound like a mega gay
>If they say FFIII is better when they first played it or it still holds up.
It actually got even BETTER with the pixel remaster, incredibly enough.
Pretty sure he was talking about VIII and made a typo.
>If the former says they think FFX still holds up
It does but purely for the endgame, the main story sequence is garbage
>If they say FFIII is better when they first played it or it still holds up, they’ve passed the test and have good media literacy.
FFIII fucking sucks like come on, anon...
>If the former
I'm 30 years old and this is the first time I've witnessed someone say "former" without actually having two separate subjects to refer to
Excellent work, dumbass
based. ffxiii trilogy is probably the most underrated rpg experience from the ps3 era and easily one the best trilogies in rpg history.
>ffxiii trilogy is probably the most underrated rpg
13 has zero redeeming qualities besides graphics
well I liked it anyway
Remembering the discourse about how they made Lightning's armpits look worse in-game than in trailers always makes me laugh a bit.
Yeah the power of MUHCELL just wasn't enough to handle her pits, but the cope was MUH 360 when 99% of games run and played better on 360
>filtered by Tidus
>Brings up VIII out of nowhere
Oh it's one of these schizos
Based. Both NES sequels were pretty underrated imo
So you've confirmed that FF8 fags think FF13 is good.
From experience 8fags played 8 first then refuse to play any others and claim 8 is the best.. eventually thesd gays played 13 and like with 8 they're blind to the problems because you have your heads in the dirt.
V is better than III
Why are XIIIfags still mad that their games suck?
It was a more acceptable format when it released
It was still a Sony exclusive.
People dropped it due to the unskippable english voices before noticing how linear it was.
Not every game was an open world copy and paste back then, yeah weird I know
Game had a story to tell.
>Listen to my story
I generally prefer linear games.
I love the English voice acting, and the awkward laughing scene was one of my favorite scenes in the game, it was meant to be awkward and dumb you idiots, maybe once you have more human interaction you'll get it.
FFX and FFTA are the only good FF games I've played.
>LE LAUGHING SCENE IS SUPPOSED TO BE BAD THAT MEANS DUB IS................... LE GOOD!
The whole dub is dogshit even in serious moments. Listen to some real acting.
>Listen to some real acting.
Examples of "real acting"?
>LE LAUGHING SCENE IS SUPPOSED TO BE BAD
So, yeah? That they're put-on, forced laughs is entirely the point of the scene.
The "but muh laughing scene" argument is the surest sign that whoever you're talking to has never played the game and is just parroting the opinions of others who also haven't played the game.
You know what's a really good scene. The one at the lake. Not the kiss but the scene just before that. Yuna says she wants her journey to be full of laughter. Tidus doesn't know it at the time but Yuna knows she's doomed. And her Guardians know they're escorting her to her death. So she manufactures laughter to push through. Because otherwise she'd just have to dwell on the grim knowledge that she has no future. So when Tidus apologizes to Yuna for giving her false hope, Yuna means it when she says she was happy. But even better if that Tidus gives her an out. She could run away with him right now and they could live their lives. And she seriously thinks about it for a second before she finally breaks down in tears. This is the only moment in the game where Yuna honestly and genuinely let's herself be honest with how awful she's feeling about her situation. She's going to die. She has no hope even if she can give it to everyone else. There's no other point in the game where she breaks like this.
I swear the laughing scene could be used to diagnose autism. Yes, it is meant to be bad, and it is handled well. Even the other party members display second hand embarassment from how awkward Tidus and Yuna are being. It's a "if you force yourself to smile, you'll feel happy" situation. It's just two people dicking around trying to cope with the shitty situation they're in.
Lightningcucks kneel to Tiduschads
It has towns, npcs, and a much better story.
Because it was good. A good game can get away with anything while a bad game will be criticized no matter what.
It's the same format as previous FF games, just that the fake open world map is missing.
Because the game isn't a 30 hours long tutorial to get to the real game
It was still a good enough RPG under its own power, still had varied enough locales, and had a convincing enough plot that the only people who care it's a hallway simulator are spastics.
Except Kimahri, he's a fucking blight on the game and every developer responsible for a Blue Mage-Dragoon hybrid having ready access to NEITHER of his core abilities, Jump and Blue Magic, needs to be dumped onto the street and savaged by wild pigs. Jump immediately being obsoleted by Seed Cannon is shameful, to say nothing of not even being able to use it at will.
It really feels like he was the designated Dragoon until they realized "o fuk we don't have a Blue Mage" so they just tacked that on
I think it was the opposite, personally, he was a Blue Mage and they tacked on Dragoon features. Mostly I think they just didn't have any good way of Kimahri learning things, getting hit by it is way too dangerous for most fights in X and potentially even harder to force an enemy to do it than in 5 since you don't have Beastmaster, and they couldn't reuse Quina's Eat command and didn't want to reuse Quistus's method of learning through items. So boom give him Dragoon's usually useless sub-ability Lancet for blue magic absorption, give him Jump as the first gimme Limit Break, and call it good. Sadly they fucked up and one of the series' most iconic jobs gets bupkis and Kimahri has no visual callbacks to Blue Mage or to Dragoon, something Auron and Rikku don't struggle with in representing Samurai and Thief and Lulu and Wakka have mild struggle with in Black Mage and Ranger.
I don't remember if Dragoon was in X2 either, but BM was, same with most of the others. Though the summons? -uh, Flower Power thing, Rikkus Robit I ended up using alot moar when I had em.
Dragoon wasn't, Blue Mage was as "Blue Bullet" and worked much more traditionally
I don't remember much of X2s story but dresspheres were neat and different for a mainline FF. Except the one you get thru Shinra, screw that whole thing. -- Is the collection worth? How're the platninums?
X-2's story isn't even worth remembering
Dresspheres were a great try at a more modern version of the Job System that hadn't really been seen since 11 and 5 prior
Can't say anything about the collection or HD ports, haven't tried them
I did like the B plot for X-2. Or rather I liked the start of it. Not so much the ending
Ending was awful yeah, aside from Bróther being way too damn clingy most of the ship things were fun. And travelling around was cool too. -except that band moment that was a pain. It's tough typing all this on a ps4 tbh, even on a keyboard.
God I love Paine so much it's unreal
>We have Squall at home!
>Squall at home
if you're going that way then rikku is kinda like the zidane we have at home
play expert sphere grid
>backstory is that you were bullied so hard that you left your snowy mountain to live on a tropical isand
>current story is that your bullies are STILL bullying you ten years later
>finally manage to defeat your bullies and earn their respect
>almost your entire race is immediately killed
>spend the entire next game whining about how impotent a leader you are
>new character shows up to also tell you that you suck ass at your job
>this character is just a reskinned generic NPC (if he's even reskinned), but he is memorable enough to get a location named after him in Final Fantasy XIV
>also, you have zero identity in battle beyond copying the abilities of more compelling characters
>on that note, there are two other characters in-game who do the stoic Guardian who doesn't talk a lot shtick better than you
They really set out to make him obsolete in every way, huh?
Lulu's autoattacks did more relevant damage than Kimchi ever did on my save file.
I can't even feel bad for him, dude doesn't exist. Was literally less of a charecter than Vaan and Panelo, at least they Did something. -and actually became sky pierats in the GBA game.
Don't forget the fact they force you to do a fight with him solo which is some complete bullshit if you've been rightfully ignoring him all game.
That at least scales the bosses to your level.
But they did make it to Zanarkand. We see a pyrefly flashback of them there alongside similar scenes with Jecht, Auron, and Braska. Anima being a Final Aeon is the reason that everyone makes a big deal about her strength the first time she shows up and why Seymour becomes obsessed with Sin to begin with. If he kills Sin with her, he'll die and she'll become Sin. But he wants to become a Final Aeon himself so he can have that.
>Seymour's Final Aeon jobbed to Shiva
IIRC, the stronger the link between a summoner and the aeon, the stronger it is. Which is why the final aeon is so powerful, they're typically someone the summoner is VERY close to, in one way or another.
Seymour's mother wanted him to take Anima and kill Sin with it, but he didn't want to and fucked off to be evil, so their link probably weakened a lot over time, so Anima's a lot weaker than a "proper" final aeon would be.
The fact it's still one of the strongest aeons in the game in it's weakened state just speaks volumes about how powerful final aeons are in general.
Dude has major mommy issues, worse than Teeeduhs. Imo.
Well Tidus had Yuna to help him grow in a relationship based on mutual trust. Seymour was born hated and could only communicate via manipulation. Seymour was a monster through and through and he never had a chance.
>everyone bullies Tidus for crying in Final Fantasy X
>pretty much all of the times he cries are reasonable responses to things like his father dying in front of him
>no one gives Seymour shit for the fact that he's literally just an angry manbaby that wants to destroy the world because his father didn't hug him enough
Yeah, i'd be messed up too if I were Tidus. Dude shows up in a strange area, everyone he knew is toast. And he gets strung up being a "not guardian|guardian maybe type half the game. Seymour literally could have anything he wanted since he was a brooding Fujo. -see Sephiroth.
I'm really more impressed with Yuna holding it together when Tidus gets ghosted it's more composure than I had when I was young
Tidus ghosting out isn't actually what ever gets me. It's usually Yuna whistling by herself.
Tidus has daddy issues
Yuna technically has daddy issues although for her she actually wants to live up to her father's legacy. Not realizing that his legacy was to march to his death. It's probably why Braska left a message begging her to live her own life.
Man, the game is grim. X is a very dark world. I guess they're all kind of dark in their own way. Now I want a tierlist for most JUSTED FF worlds.
I've always described Spira as anime 1984. It's a place where not only does everybody expect to die next week but the concept of curiosity has been banned. You know there's a thematic bit of foreshadowing I noticed after replaying the game. Wakka remarks that the Aurochs have done nothing but lose 20 straight years. When Tidus asks them what the fuck they've been doing, Wakka responds that they've just been trying to have fun, they've given up trying to win after so long. Tidus tells him to nut up and go for the gold. They're there to win. And that's kind of the thesis for the game as a whole. These people have been so beaten down by Sin that nobody even knows why they're doing what they're doing anymore. When Tidus asks Lulu about Sin she says
>Lulu: Sin is the punishment for, and the incarnation of, crimes we have committed.
>Tidus: Hmm. So, no one really knows what it is?
>Lulu: There’s no need to know, so no one asks. You run or you fight. That is really all you can do. There’s no sense brooding over it.
>Tidus: What, that’s all? I mean, you don’t even wonder?
>Lulu: (Chuckles) You really do come from a world where there is no Sin, like you say.
I think that's Final Fantasy 10 as a whole. Fuck apathy. It doesn't matter that you fail or that your situation is grim, keep fucking going for the gold until you succeed.
It's about religious control though, this is what happens when a religion is powerful enough to punish people for going against it's tenets by labeling them heretics. This happens in reality you know. The Al Bhed are basically outlaws for it.
Yes I know. But they're only able to do that because everyone in Spira refuses to think. Sin is a very real Danger. But Yevon uses real danger to gaslight everyone into serving their interests.
>Wakka: But you Al Bhed use the forbidden machina! You know what that means? Sin was born because people used machina!
>Rikku: You got proof? Show me proof!
>Wakka: It’s in Yevon’s teachings! Not that you’d know!
>Rikku: That’s not good enough! Yevon says this, Yevon says that. Can’t you think for yourself?
>Wakka: Well, then you tell me! Where did Sin come from, huh?
>Rikku: I…I don’t know!
>Wakka: Hmph! You bad-mouth Yevon and that’s all you can come up with?
>Rikku: But…that doesn’t mean you should do whatever they say without thinking! Nothing will ever change that way!
>Wakka: Nothing has to change!
Like what the fuck is he talking about? Sin kills people by the hundreds everyday and nothing has to change? But then you have to consider who his Masters are and how deeply they were able to brainwash everyone into apathy
>Mika: Not in vain. No matter how many summoners give their lives, Sin cannot be truly defeated. The rebirth cannot be stopped. Yet the courage of those who fight gives the people hope. There is nothing futile in the life and death of a summoner.
>Auron: Never futile… but never ending.
>Mika: Indeed, that is the essence of Yevon.
>Yuna: Lord Mika!
>Mika: Yevon is embodied by eternal, unchanging continuity, summoner.
>Yuna: No…that can’t be right!
>Mika: Those who question these truths– they are traitors!
But Mika wasn't gaslighting them - he literally believed himself Sin can't be defeated and when party tells them they killed Yunalesca he literally btfos from existence because the world will be destroyed now
Mika won't even let anyone try. The Al Bhed are ex communicated because they don't believe in the pilgrimages even though they don't have anything against Yevon as a concept. Mika knows the repentance angle is bullshit. He knows who Yu Yevon is. Ex communicating the Al Bhed only gives entire a boogeyman to be angry at and heap all their problems onto. Even though Mika knows full well its horseshit. The Crusaders are also excommunicated and Yevon knowingly sent them to die at Mii'Hen to increase fervor for Yevon, even among the Al Bhed. So yeah I'd say that counts as gaslighting.
Not just religion, but any institutions of power that do not allow free criticism or questioning. Reminder you can literally be thrown in prison for questioning the Holocaust.
>Not just religion, but any institutions of power that do not allow free criticism or questioning. Reminder you can literally be thrown in prison for questioning the Holocaust.
you are correct but it seemed beyond the scope of the discussion.
I immediately thought the Guado were garden gnome stand ins once this scene appeared. The whole lying to society shtick, not to mention the hidden goal of killing everyone because they feel justified on doing so.
>remembering that the Guado get SIX GORILLION'D by the Ronso in the sequel
Truly last Sakaguchi kino
>Wakka remarks that the Aurochs have done nothing but lose 20 straight years. When Tidus asks them what the fuck they've been doing, Wakka responds that they've just been trying to have fun, they've given up trying to win after so long
I always figured it was because Blitzball requires a huge stadium consisting of technology that's considered to be heretical, but there's one stadium in one city that's an exception.
So going down the list, our teams are
>two teams of island rednecks from dirt poor fishing villages, whose best approximation of a stadium is splashing around in the surf
>team of mountain cats who are nowhere near a body of water
>team of weird tree elves who have to hike for miles to get to a sufficiently large body of water
>team of tech-heretics who don't give a fuck and probably built their own bootleg stadium
>team from the one single, major town that has a full size stadium at their disposal at all times
No wonder the Luca Goers are the champs, they and maybe the Al-Bhed are the only teams who can actually play the game for practice while everyone else has to pretend. It'd be like if there was one soccer ball allowed to exist in the world, and there's one team allowed to use it, while everyone else has to make do with rocks and fruit.
Honestly would rather much live in Spira than Oceania. At least Spira is colorful and seems great to live in for other reasons. Oceania is truly a drab hellhole from the bottom up with absolutely no redeeming qualities.
>No wonder the Luca Goers are the champs, they and maybe the Al-Bhed are the only teams who can actually play the game for practice while everyone else has to pretend.
Great point, never thought of that before.
Yeah you're proving his point though, that's pretty much how it be in real life. In real life there's just no physical manifestation of Sin.
The fight scales and is a complete joke.
I don't know about you guys, but I found Kimahri to actually be really useful once you're in the final act of the game and his sphere grid has really branched out. Lulu felt like the real useless party member to me, at least during the second half of the game
Lulu becomes garbage when you reach Calm Lands, especially if you taught Yuna ablacı Magic. Kimahri’s redeeming trait is Mighty G
I like to spec kimahri as a thief/red mage and take him through rikku, lulu and yuna's grids. Stupidly flexible and self sustaining with lancet
Gay open world games were rare at that time zoomie
Because it maintained a good story with memorable characters and a good combat system.
Because despite not having a world map and being mostly on rails it's still fun enough, has a good cast and a good plot to go with it. On top of letting you explore a bit in the secluded locales you're in. Anyone who uses the word hallway simulator is a shitposting cretin anyway.
why is a hallway considered casual? you pretty much always know where to go in every FF game at all times, is walking in a empty open world from A to B with 2 pixel big spirites considered hard to you? is it more skillful? FF was, is, and will always be a baby story game.
Because the story was interesting, the artstyle and world were beautiful, the music was excellent as always, and the combat was fun.
It has, by me
Maybe because the character build customization is fucking insane?
I don't care about about that but the gameplay is so bad that I can't bring myself to finish it. Please god I wish I could skip all the combat it's the shittiest turn-based combat I've ever played.
If that's the worst turn based you've experienced, play more games bro
Good world building, interesting characters, character progression was neat, gear customization was solid, amazing post-game content, tons of secrets to go about finding after you can use the air ship, etc.
What FFX lacks compared to the open world games it makes up for in many ways. The people who cry about it being the start of the downfall of the series always came off as retards to me and I don't take your opinion seriously.
because open world games had yet to take over the gaming landscape.
Because the atmosphere, setting, characters, and music carried it hard
If every FF game after X was just X with a different coat of paint FF would be in a much better spot, so anyone who directly compares this game to XIII is either a turbo retard or never actually played either game
I do remember complaints about how it took until the ass end for the game to open up but the majority of people were hypnotized by gwafics
tbf, ffx gwafix was crazy good. it didnt just rely on graphics either, attempting to implement movie and stage elements into its sotrytelling to "push the medium of video game storytelling"(but actually pushing it and not just some fluff kotaku article quote)
it was, but it was also doing alot of novel things that was good so it got let off. it also was accused for the lack of a world map
Does XIII have any memorable characters, such as Wakka? Didn't think so.
The problem with the characters is that Final Fantasy 13 is almost entirely melodrama. 13 primarily has one tone the whole way through. Not saying that can't work but the game also splits its attention across six characters who spend half the game apart and not bouncing off each other.
Sazh and Jihl both were memorable for about five minutes, then Sazh got over his son and Jihl was killed by a different villain
Fang and Vanille
When FF10 came out, nothing had better graphics than it and full voice-acting was rare. You could forgive a lot of the faults because of that.
Sh2 had better graphics and way better voice acting and it came out the same year on the exact same console.
>When FF10 came out, nothing had better graphics than it
And now we have 16 coming out on the PS5 looking worse than some PS4 games.
>When FF10 came out, nothing had better graphics than it and full voice-acting was rare.
On consoles maybe.
On the PC side of things, games like Anachronox released around the same time.
It didn't have a pretentious title for its arc like Fabula Nova Crystalis. Sure it had flaws and Tidus looked like a queer, but it oh never mind its one of these poison threads.
>Why wasn't this game critized for being a casual hallway simulator like XIII?
-Nostalgia, reminds us of good times
-We were 14yo
-we had friends, dreams, hope, projects
-we didn't suffer PIED yet
-our high school sweetheart still wasn't a BBC addicted whore
It was, the lack of a world map was one of the prime criticisms of the game.
it still had towns and minigames and it has a story and world that made sense and wasnt buried under 50 pages of codex entries
Because this game is like 20 years old, probably older than most posters on this board. And even then still offered more content and locations than FF13.
I see some butthole peeking out from the chick on the right. Guess my nightly fap adventure continues.
It's a story about a pilgrimage, it's supposed to be linear
I don't think it's just that because you can make the same excuse for Final Fantasy XIII in that the cast is on the run therefore the game must be linear. But in Final Fantasy 10 you get to actually experience the world you're playing in. You can see people pray at the temples. You can take part in water polo. When operation mi'hen goes belly up, you're right in the middle of it. I would say the only failing is that you don't get to explore Bevelle. In Final Fantasy 13 you're very expressly not allowed to interact with the world around you. Because everybody in the world fucking hates you. The closest you get is Sazh and Vanille hanging out in the part for a short while. It's one of the few times where the game can just breathe and let you see what life is like here. Most of the time you're running through gutters bitching at party members because the cast doesn't know or like each other at the start of the game.
Why didn't Yuna use a phoenix down?
Because he didn't really "die" he just vanished. Tidus was literally a dream made reality but it required the dreamers to keep dreaming.
its like using a pheonix down on an aeon
Why isn't it like that for the entire rest of the game?
Tidus only exists because the Fayth exist. Phoenix Down can't cure non-existence when the Fayth pass on
Phoenix Down cures KO, not death
because le nostalgia
I remember disliking the linearity and especially the menu airship. However, FFX
>was the first FF with voice acting
>was the first FF on the PS2 and a massive graphical upgrade from 9
>is fun to play
>has some interesting characters
Meanwhile FF13's only saving grace is that its battle system is actually fun once they finally let you play with it after 25 hours of tutorials and forcing you to only have 2 party members.
finished this trash last month for the first time and I can say with certainty that most of the praise is purely nostalgia or from people too focused on the combat. Whenever you're not in a fight, you're either holding forward in a hallway or listening to one of the most bogwater standard story in the series. There are no standout characters, no memorable plotpoints, no rich worldbuilding to immerse yourself in. It is a tour through the essential locations (snowy area, coastal area, big city) before you fight the final boss. 1-9 absolutely demolish this trash
>one of the best OSTs in gaymen
>beautiful gorgeous world of spira
>actual good beginning middle AND END
I don't care if X is a little linear. It's open enough. And on that note XIII is enjoyable too, just not as great as X is.
What was memorable about Seymour? Edgelord #4600. Honest question, Yunalesca was more of a reason for Yuna to fight her. All Seymour managed to do was take over Sin, Oh. Turns out hes not even the final dude, lol.
The fact that he comes back like 3 times
He really was just the creepy boyfriend with connections villain
Self-hating half-cast abuses the mechanics of the world to attempt to create a utopia by cucking Tidus.
I don't know about you but that's a pretty Hispanicy character.
Seymour was more of a Yu Yevon 2.0. Which is really funny seeing as how he considered himself to be Zaon to Yuna's Yunalesca. Mika mentions in his tantrum that Yu Yevon's chief ability was to turn the souls of the dead into unholy armor. Which is exactly what Seymour does every time you fight him. And just like Yu Yevon, Seymour gets progressively more and more divorced from reality as the game progresses. In the beginning he's able to at least pretend to be a semi normal person. In the middle he's babbling about trying to kill everyone so no one has to worry any dying since death anxiety is main problem plaguing Spira and people just turn into zombies when they die in FFX. So killing everyone just turns them into immortal zombies and just gets the hard part over with. By the end he's just speaking in tongues with a hiss. He's a bad villain. But he's entertaining in how stupid he is.
10/10. I wasn't able to really say that, but thanks. Most kino FFs, imo are II, IV, Refia, Type 0, and WoFF. Though i've almost beaten all of them tbh.
Final Fantasy 10 is Anime as fuck. So I know the script is full of anime bullshit. But upon a recent playthrough it actually didn't have as much anime bullshit as I remember it having. A lot of things in the game that I thought was just stupid actually gets a valid follow-ups. The biggest meme in the game AKA The Laughing scene actually foreshadows two major moments in the game. Tidus actually has some pretty good character beats. Like Auron tells Tidus a story about how Jecht got drunk one day and accidentally attacked a Shoopuff thinking it was a fiend. Braska had to pay out all his money and Jecht was so embarrassed that he never drank again. Which causes Tidus to just storm off in a huff. Tidus is over emotional most of the time so I forgot it but upon replaying I realized that Tidus was fucking seething in that scene. Because there's a flashback earlier where Tidus is begging his father to stop drinking and Jecht blows him off. Jecht wouldn't stop drinking for his son but he did stop drinking for Braska. Which, from Auron's perspective, meant that Jecht was improving as a person but from Tidus's perspective it was an insult and it just reinforced why he doesn't like him. Pretty cool.
>Because there's a flashback earlier where Tidus is begging his father to stop drinking and Jecht blows him off. Jecht wouldn't stop drinking for his son but he did stop drinking for Braska. Which, from Auron's perspective, meant that Jecht was improving as a person but from Tidus's perspective it was an insult and it just reinforced why he doesn't like him
>Which causes Tidus to just storm off in a huff. Tidus is over emotional most of the time so I forgot it but upon replaying I realized that Tidus was fucking seething in that scene. Because there's a flashback earlier where Tidus is begging his father to stop drinking and Jecht blows him off.
Kino as fuck
I'm gonna be real with you I kinda liked his last monologue about becoming sin
Seymour was honestly a total nothing villain for how well-crafted his backstory was.
>tries to marry Yuna
>is too much of a lunatic to get her to bond with him properly
>tries to kill her despite needing her
>fails and dies
>tries to get Yuna to marry him
>this is never mentioned again after Bevelle
>tries to kill her again
>fails and dies again
>kills all of the Ronso (not really)
>this is so inconsequential that the party not only never mentions it again, the conversation shifts to Jecht being Sin after the fight is over
>it literally takes two in-universe years for anyone to care Seymour did this
>and then he shows up one more time in Sin for a boss fight that was easier than any of the previous ones where he jobs and dies again
12 year old me thought Seymour on Mt. Gagazet was impossible.
That fight can definitely hand your ass to you if you've been rushing it.
Yep, that was my problem. It was one of my first FFs and I thought I could run from battles and stuff like that. Then eventually I learned to just take it real slow, enjoy the scenery and grind. Good times.
I think one thing that would save JRPGs in SE would be DO not let Nomura write stories. lol. At least getting to Yuna was pretty darn kino, sliding down from airship, fighting your way to her. 10/10
Thinking about it, did the Ronso and Kimari really need to exist at all? What sort of role do they even serve in the story that couldn't be filled by more snow al bhed or whatever?
Same reason the Moonflow has a Tarutaru/Lalafell race, I guess.
No, they're just there for flavor. Or maybe someone up high just really wanted big, muscular, blue lion men in the game for personal reasons.
This game came hot out of the back-end of the '90s. Kimari is the token black guy.
Was supposed to show the bonding effect the religion of Yevon has in contrast to how it alienated the Al Bhed. Ronso are extremely different and removed from the rest of the Spirans but they end up integrating fine while embracing Yevon. Serves as a contrast to Al Bhed, who outright reject Yevon, and Guado, who use it for their own purposes.
Seymour is less a character more a vehicle to show how someone like Yu Yevon came to exist in the world. Rather than interact with Yu Yevon himself you interact with someone who is just like him in the modern age.
I liked X, and 13 but had their faults. Literally every single FF pre 11 was a hallway simulator so thats not much of a problem. 6 had too many charecters, none stood out. 7 had 3 movies, a remake, 3 games and the story STILL makes no sense. 8 Would have been fine if that dumb exp thing didn't exist, granted story was just as convuluted.
I wouldn’t say none of 6’s characters stood out. Terra, Locke, Edgar, and Celes all seem pretty strong. As someone in the middle of my first playthrough.
It released I'm 2001, it had a lot of benefit of the doubt and good will coming from the PS1 era (which is also linear and overrated) and it still was less linear and had a far better story than XIII did.
FF13's linearity is too restricting, but the game has a great atmosphere and a lot of soul
Agreed. And the second Bartandelus fight was rad, took me a few days to beat though. I liked XIII, I played it on both PS3 and 360 and it looked great. XIII-2 I have for pc and the port is uh..not that great. So I've never played it but ik there's fan patches and shit.
it had pretty art direction but that was it.
story was god awful, cringe and the characters where awkward as fuck.
If you blame Tidus for Jecht being a bad dad you're an actual NPC
Jecht is a gay "good ol' boy" who can only identify with other grown men, his "bros," and it takes a lot of self-reflection and being forced out of his element to even reach that point
Applauding the other anon's character assessment of him, guy wouldn't change for his son but he *would* change for two schmoes he still wasn't particularly familiar with yet
Because the "hallways" are not literal hallways, they're just fairly linear paths across an otherwise open and eye pleasing map, and they actually took the time to give each area good lore which made the whole thing immersive. FF13 was just a soulless rush but took 100yrs to get anywhere good, FFX had more frequent story beats and a vibrant world. It was like a JAP Fellowship of the Rings and comfy as fuck.
Having a decent battle system is more important than having a world map. I actually enjoy most of X whereas most of IX is a slog because of it’s batte system. People will mention the minigames but only Tidus and Lulu’s were really bad and Lulu’s only take an hour if you know the exploit
Blitzball being stretched out as long as it was for Wakka's final weapon was unforgivable imo. Ultimate weapons shouldn't be hidden behind long ass mini-games.
I also agree but I think Blitzball itself was fine. What they should have done was to make it so that every Reel (and the Sigil) was a tournament reward. It would have halved the time to get the Sigil for the Ultimate Weapon
I actually replayed played Final Fantasy X at the start of this month and I was trying to get Tidus's ultimate weapon through the chocobo minigame with the fucking birds. It was around midnight and it pissed me off enough for me to fully uninstall the game right then and there.
No other game has ever done that to me. There is something horrendous about that bird game.
But the bird assholes were close, actively made me hate chocobos for years.
I liked BB too, aside from getting that legend.. Not much can be compared to the literal monster grinding to get Penance, nor Lightning Dodging, or.. Jump Rope. O__o;
Where the fuck have you come in from?
Kek yeah, he stumbled in from Gaia Online 2007.
Honestly I used to frequent that, but I had seen this thread and wanted to post in it.
Blitzball was fine.
Hey; at least Blitzball allowed you to save intermittently and continue later.
Enjoyed dodging your 200 continuous lightning strikes in one streak, did you?
Lulu's was far more bullshit than Wakka's, get out of here.
Tidus is easy, kimahri's butterflys and lulus thunder dodging is the worst. Blitzball is shit only because it takes so long. Just use FFXED nowadays to skip all that BS
>Tidus is easy
This is bait
Nah, that anon is correct. Getting less than 0 time is pretty easy. The first time it took me about 30~ tries, but the second took me less than ten.
Dodging 200 thunderbolt consecutively without a notification that you're done? Fucking impossible.
It's even in the HD Collection? I heard FF9s remasters jump rope trophy was so bad even the devs gave up lol.
I won't lie, I don't remember doing it in the HD remaster. Pretty sure I did, since I was setting up for grinding autism, but I know I never actually started farming, so I'm unsure.
Too lazy to reinstall to fact check myself, but I want to say yes.
Thanks. At least the internet is moar of a thing now so it makes it somewhat more tolerable. <3
Just realized I'm retart, and I can just check steam cheevos. Yeah it's doable in remaster.
Thank ya much.
>Dodging 200 thunderbolt consecutively without a notification that you're done
I remember as a kid counting in my head and then wondering if I was right so I did like 50 more
Getirme 0 time is pure rng. It took me 2 hours.
Lulu’s game is the easy one. Go to the spot with the crater. Go in circles, dodge the thing. Take a 2 min break every 40 dodges and you get the Sigil in 30 min max.
Jecht was a bad parent, but Tidus’ mom might have been nearly as bad, just in a more low key way. Even Jecht told her to pay more attention to Tidus. It comes off like she was a fangirl who happened to pregnant.
Tidus' ma does strike me as more of an obsessed roadie that Jecht shacked up with than anything. Auron pretty much ended up being his only parent figure.
Yeah you're probably spot on anon, that's exactly how I'd imagine it. That's what happens irl after all.
That's almost definitely what it was. Tidus remembers Jecht giving him shit at every turn but when you put Jecht's later dialogue into consideration you realize he definitely wanted Tidus to succeed. But Jecht didn't know how to be a parent. So he treated this literal child like a Blitzball recruit. But a 9-year-old isn't going to interpret his father telling him that he's a fuck up who can't match him as a challenge to rise up to. It's just going to make him fucking hate him. But more importantly than that is Tidus gets fixated on that growing up. It isn't until the Farplane that Tidus realizes that Jecht actually tried to get his mother to be nurturing towards him. Something she really wasn't all that interested in. And when Jecht died, Tidus describes it as a love bird giving up after its mate has died. But again, Tidus was a child. So when you have one parent antagonizing you every day and the other doing nothing at all, you're probably going to prefer the one who at least isn't fucking with you. So yeah, Tidus's mother didn't give a fuck about him either.
More compelling plot and characters, more intuitive progression system and hub areas where you can talk to people and explore and buy shit
Being able to go back and forth instead just forward seems to do the trick.
this, even 2D sidescrollers are often less linear than FFXIII
Is Tidus the Eren of Final Fantasy protagonists?
>Is a whiny beta
>Has a girlboss Mary Sue love interest that emasculates and humiliates him every turn
>Has a ginger haired racist sidekick
>Has a chad dad that banged multiple women
>Has a grumpy badass mentor with a one-liner (“No regrets”, “This is your story”)
>Love interest defiles his decapitated corpse
>Love interest cucks him
>His sacrifice means nothing in the end
The only things he has over Eren are not being a virgin and being able to get a kiss without being decapitated
>Has a girlboss Mary Sue love interest that emasculates and humiliates him every turn
Yuna's a pretty soft-spoken and reserved girl in X. And Tidus was already dead when she becomes even remotely girlboss-y in X-2. Even then, she's still pretty broken up about him the whole time.
How the fuck do you manage to interpret Yuna as a girlboss Mary Sue, I actually hope I'm biting bait.
The same way they interpret the opening scene as ruining yunas character.
By literally not playing the game.
It's been a while. I just assumed he was unsent the whole time, but yeah I guess he only died at that first battle.
Anyway it might not be the aeon that kills you, but the process of confronting yu yevon, the "final summoning kills you" is just yevon explaining where the summoners all go.
>Is a whiny beta
He was the MVP of the zanarkand abes, he was the very definition of a chad.
>Has a girlboss Mary Sue love interest that emasculates and humiliates him every turn
You don't know the definition of either a girlboss or a mary sue. Yuna is very reserved and very rarely uses her position to gain leverage against anyone, much less Tidus.
>Has a ginger haired racist sidekick
Armin is blonde.
>Has a chad dad that banged multiple women
The only overlap between Jecth and Grisha was that they probabbly banged multiple women. In Jecth's case it's not confirmed.
>Has a grumpy badass mentor with a one-liner (“No regrets”, “This is your story”)
Neither Auron or Erwin are grumpy. Unless you're talking about Levi, who wasn't really a mentor figure for Eren.
>Love interest defiles his decapitated corpse
That book is not canon
>love interest cucks him
Granted. But she made it clear from the start she didn't want it.
>His sacrifice means nothing in the end
Sure. But that's chalked up to a shitty sequel.
It has more soul than your tiny zoomer brain can even comprehend.
Because what makes XIII shit is way WAY more than just the linear corridors. Like the atrocious story and characters, for example.
I think the fact that the linear corridors seem to just be a series of barren, sterile highways is another. The city doesn't feel like an actual lived in city.
"World map" is often an illusion anyway because you're basically beelining between town A and Dungeon A. Final Fantasy games are by design pretty linear until the optional endgame content comes up.
>"World map" is often an illusion anyway
*Often* yes. Because it's often an absolutely soulless shit afterthought.
But some times they're done legit well, with off-the-path locations strewn around to visit; hidden areas with additional treasure or challenge to find; and elements that make the world feel a bit more alive despite the sterile macquette feel. (E.g. like the NPC trains running their schedules on FF8's map.)
That 2nd bart fight was a huge wall, for me. I had turned the game off and let it sit there. Had no idea how to beat it and was frustrating o.O; Then afterwards during the 50 portal things I had no problems.
only redditors hate 10 and 13. It's a meme.
Because in X there's at least a little bit of variation, occasional side content, and there's NPCs to talk to. XIII doesn't even gesture towards such things.
here you go
>Why wasn't this game critized for being a casual hallway simulator
Scrolled a bit and didn't see anyone mention this: This was basically a launch title for the PS2. Up until then, nobody had EVER seen graphics as good as FFX. They were basically movie quality (at the time), and the story was really compelling and edgy/emo during a time where that was the peak aesthetic. It was basically a perfect storm. Some people noticed it was linear, but nobody really cared cause it was at least a stepping stone onto the next game.
It was but the graphic upgrade made up for it. And 8 and 9 were less open world so it prepared ppl. 12 was pretty open so when 13 came, ppl weren’t prepared. And there were no towns and no chill places to rest. The store was the save point and it was just action and plot forward movement all the way
>And there were no towns and no chill places to rest.
That was one of the big fuck ups imo. To this day I still remember random shit like Winhill from FF8 and Dali from FF9 just because they were comfy.
and no dialogue options in 13 had a lot to do with it too along with the just press x autobattle system
Is 13 really fucking worse than 15? I just can't wrap my mind around this after playing 15 when it first came out.
Yes, but 15 was more disappointing because it was supposed to be the chosen one. To this day FF13 is one of only 2 vidya I've fallen asleep while playing.
I had thought it was pretty kino tbh, granted I pretty much had to like it to try getting all the trophies. Sitting at 83%
15 is fine if you're a Fujoshi. As soon as I seen the main cast be a literal boyband driving in a convertible taking photos, I knew I just wasn't the target audience.
They both started as part of Nomura and gang's stupid Fabula Nova Crystallis project and all they did was fucking everything up at every turn. They're linked because they're both shit, but shit for different reasons.
i've never played a final fantasy game but i act like i have for flamewars
Let me guess, you've never watched Cardcaptor Sakura either?
Seriously, there's no need to bother. As someone who loves magical girl shows, Cardcaptor Sacura is among the most overrated and tends to be liked by people who enjoy moeblob shows over series that actually have characters with in depth characterization.
still pissed that we didn't get to choose a party member to turn into a sweet unique aeon so kimahri could finally see some use
no reason they couldn't do that and also do the kill yu yevon as he possesses aeons plan
>time for yu-yevon to possess aeon kimahri
>aeon kimahri uses self-destruct
I feel like a final Aeon using self destruct would have pretty dramatic consequences for Spira, it'd probably be like a nuke going off in the sky over the country.
Clear something up for me, Anons.
>story makes it seem like summoning the Final Aeon will kill you
>we know this isn't true, because Seymour uses Anima whenever he wants
>the actual thing that kills you is seemingly Yu Yevon taking control of your Aeon
>despite this, Yuna summons all of her Aeons to let Yu Yevon do just that and survives because ???
The first thing Yu Yevon possessed aeons do is try to kill you
I guess nothing necessarily says that Final Aeons don't get mind controlled into killing their summoners rather than it being some kind of spiritual link being severed.
Keep in mind that it's framed the way it is in the game by the heads of a shady evil religion ruled by ghosts
They probably lied at least a little bit
I think I convinced myself the cause of death was the bond being severed, since everyone already believes the Final Aeon will kill you. I guess I was mainly thrown off by Seymour using Anima without issue.
First off, Anima isn't a Final Aeon, only Lady Yunalesca can create those. Though a big part of the deal seems to be the bond between the summoner and the sacrifice, so no doubt Seymour's mother would have been a perfect candidate had they made it to Zanarkand. Also summoning the aeons for Yevon to possess is the only way to defeat him, with no aeons left in the world he can never recreate Sin. The real plothole is we know that regular people have become Fayth but the process is never elaborated on. What would happen if people tried to become fayth once Yevon is gone.
dont you see echoes of seymour and his ma having made it to zanarkand?
You're right, totally forgot that, my rusty memory placed all the flashbacks at Baaj Temple. I still wouldn't consider Anima a Final Aeon though because there's clearly more to it than just the bond between summoner/sacrifice, which just seems to produce a far more powerful Fayth like Anima.
I think Seymour moved his mom to Baaj Temple and then put a seal so nobody else could use Anima
>using the final aeon kills you
>Seymour uses Anima whenever he wants
He is also you know, dead.
He doesn't use Anima after he dies, though.
I will never forgive FFX, it made the franchise popular with w*men
Wrong. FF7 did that, I remember it well, it was pretty much the only vidya that girls I knew played at least until Tony Hawks Pro Skater came out.
Maybe for Americans. SEA women love 4, 7 and 8.
the fuck are you talking about "Sephiroth is my Bishie" was a thing for a reason although you might not be old enough to remember that era of internet memes.
Back in the day, all games were more or less hallways. Hardware limitations. The open world meme only started 10 years later
Why are FF autists still obsessed with talking about these shit games 20+ years later?
>FFX released on 2001
I'm feeling that right meow i'm turning 36 in 6 days. I remember playing a grey blob game boy without the lights, mom said it would screw my eyed up.
Go back and shoot schools or something or whatever it is you CoD players do
Why are people annoyed Yu Yevon is a pushover final boss? It fit with the narrative
I thought most people just assumed that due to Seymour not confronting Sin, Anima in practice never got to flex its full power as a Final Aeon. Didn’t they say that you die just from using it against Sin? Maybe you all already talked about it, but I assumed it was a backlash sort of thing, and then it gets possessed.
The only thing they say at Yunalesca's chamber is that the summoner will call the Final Aeon and then they will die. It isn't until they kill her and get the truth from Mika that they learn the reason the summoner will die is because Yu Yevon will steal it. No one knows Yu Yevon exists and is the reason Sin will always come back no matter how repentant Spira gets.
it was an early ps2 title so the standards weren’t as high as when 13 was released. it was inexcusable how boring and gay 13 was
It came out before San Andreas. Kids didn't even know what open world was.
Because it actually has good gameplay systems, XIII plays like absolute garbage
Are desktop threads still a thing? Probably not.
It was. A lot of FF fans were bummed that it was more linear and lacking a world map with a controllable airship. The game was fun though and not as extremely linear as XIII. So people forgave it mostly.
FFX had a pretty amazing amount of "endgame" content for an otherwise linear game. The ceiling of power your party can reach is ten times what the story requires, and yet there's plenty of content to challenge even minmaxed parties.
Yes, as I've said, this is easily the strongest aspect the game has to offer, and is specifically what makes it the best FF game in general.
the exact moment when the game goes to absolute dogshit
Only if the story is the only thing you're playing it for
Even then it doesn't take long to rush through Calm Lands and up Gagazet if that's all you're in it for
I never care about stories THAT much. I was just enjoying this game for its comfy setting, art style, music and characters.
then it becomes a random encounter nightmare
It has genuinely the worst written story I've seen in a game. This is the game that feels like a parody at times.
>rescue Yuna from funeral
>already killed arch demons and machines the size of a gas station
>random NPC points pea shooter at you
>"BRO THIS AIN'T LIT FR FR WE NEED TO SURRENDER"
I dare you to defend this.
You can beat those demons and machines with a bouncy ball, pea shooters might be OP as hell for all you know
Except we see how powerful these pea shooters are, as you mow down 50 of the troopers during the wedding scene. They barely do a fraction of your health.
Coulda been different ones
FF characters are only strong in the battle dimension. The screen transition before a fight is the concentrated force of conflict warping all participants to the battle dimension, where the party can suddenly access all kinds of insane powers. So when an opponent smartly sidesteps the screen transition by just using a gun, but not triggering a battle dimension warp, the party has no way to defend themselves.
Suspension of disbelief from innate separation of gameplay and story, it's been ludicrously common in games forever. Though I'd say most games started being more aware of it over the past decade.
But at the time of X's release it was everywhere
This bro needs a Crisis Core ending battle to satisfy his tism about why heroes lose to peashooters.
All I'm saying is that they could've done a better job of selling me on the idea of the heroes needing to surrender. Wild Arms 3 at least had the constant threat of Asgard hounding the heroes, who for the most of the game is a tremendously powerful robot golem that can almost one shot the party, and the villains keep him around whenever they're doing something. Even Final Fantasy 6 has the good sense to defend the Imperial Capital with an invincible, unkillable superweapon.
Would it have hurt to include a superboss among their ranks, so them being captured would be more believable?
Those are cutscene guns.
Which immediately stop being effective once the team goes back to Bevelle to tell Mika about Yunalesca's death. Infact the crew just shrugs them off.
so much for cutscene guns being better.
Why'd all the girls get SEXO'ed in X-2
Why wouldn't they? Seems like the obvious right choice to me.
>Woman freed from responsibility immediately turns into a slut
Because that's just how people in Spira dress. Besides that Yuna took a bunch of elements from Tidus and incorporated it into her own look. She frayed her hair out to look like Tidus's. She took his hoodie and his asymmetrical pants except unit used her dress and denim hotpants in their place. She also took the crest of the Zanarkand Abes on her chest as a final touch. In addition to her more outgoing attitude which is closer to Tidus.
Some of the NPCs in FFX were real trouble for my teenage self back in the day. Some of those brown islander girls are wearing basically nothing, and that's not even mentioning the Al-Bhed strap gear with thigh window on their women.
>pure trad girl meets a tanned beach guid, and later her slutty gyaru cousin
>is attracted to tanned beach guido's raw sexual power and constantly open shirt, he's exciting and dangerous, and might have brain damage
>hangs out with both for a couple weeks until guido ghosts her
>starts dressing and acting like a slut
It's a tale as old as time, anon.
>might have brain damage
Tidus DEFINITELY has brain damage but that's why he's based
>Tidus DEFINITELY has brain damage
Honestly, in hindsight I think his characterization as an impulsive retard who can't read social cues makes more sense. He's something like 16-18 years old when the game starts, grew up neglected by both parents as the son of the biggest star, effortlessly slid into the star life himself, and pretty much never had to be responsible, or delicate, or thoughtful. He's lived a life free of consequence, where his every move was cheered by thousands of adoring fans, on top of the usual male teenager retardation. It'd be weirder if he were mature and thoughtful.
>he's exciting and dangerous, and might have brain damage
I prefer modest, moral, and kind women to slutty men-pleasing tools.
left >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
uh good thing she's not the latter you retard
with what she's wearing in X-2, she became fan-service coomerbait
It's funny because she's still absolutely hung on Tidus all the way through to the end of X-2
left is just the right amount of slutty with that exposed bikini top.
I mean they are around water a lot
Honestly the main cast dress conservatively compared to the average fucking Yevonite
It is quite something for the average female NPC to be barely wearing anything
This. Have you seen what women on Spira are wearing? I guess it makes perfect sense, with Sin constantly killing people, on top of all the usual causes of death, I can see how slutting up has been normalized in order to reach replacement birth rates.
Makes you wonder why Auron's so overdressed, he should really just be wearing like swim trunks to fit in better.
Dude's got a style to uphold
He can keep the sunglasses then. Beach Auron really should've been a thing.
>Why are you wearing trenchcoat with popped collar Auron?
>Because it looks cool
Should've been ingame dialog
saying it would be way uncool
A good writer could rephrase it to sound cool
Auron also has great VA who could pull it of
It's still very funny to me that the dub production was able to get away with Auron more because his mouth is barely/not visible at all for most of his dialogue
Less bullshit about lip sync matching to worry about with him
If you're cool enough you can make it work even after saying it. Just ask Captain Bravo.
or Cobra, once hes done shooting with his psychogun.
Feels like the punchline to a Tales series skit. Like Tidus, Wakka, and Rikku talking about Auron's outfit, and then when he comes in for the last line he just says "because it looks cool".
Auron must've loved Gagazet, dude has to have been sweating like a hog for the rest of the journey, except the one cold place.
Or maybe ghosts don't get hot and that's how he's coping.
Yuna is a slut, A SLUT
People don't really bring it up, but X-2 Yuna is pretty much Yuna trying to cope with Tidus's "death" by essentially acting like him. Yuna's default costume for the game even incorporates elements of Tidus's design.
>Adamant the entire game about not letting Yuna die just to save everyone else
>Proceeds to instead pursue a route that'll result in him dying instead to save everyone else
>Doesn't tell anybody about it until the BBEG is right in front of them
FFX is a journey from one point to another story wise, towards Yuna's duty. The linearity works with the story they're telling. Dunno about XIII never played it, never will. I don't defend it's linearity either but it has plenty of side content to fuck about in as well again dunno about XIII. XIII also has ugly ass characters.
I think a thread with this much genuine discussion about the game is the answer to OP's question
Theo Von is literally Tidus if he was from Louisiana
X is a game that has a lot of charm between it's intentional and unintentional comic relief and having Tidus as a protagonist. For the kind of story X was trying to tell, Tidus is the perfect protagonist for exploring and learning about this mystical weird world because you're discovering it with him.
I found it hilarious how frequently I said huh/what/etc. at or around the same time Tidus does
I love that goofy motherfucker so much
I always wanna go swimming really badly after playing X, the game just has that summer feel to it
Was Tidus ever real, even in the beginning? OR was he always a dream?
Always a dream but like, a real dream
His city was all a dream but it is out there in the ocean
Tidus was always a dream. He is a recreation of the real Blitzball champion who lived in Zanarkand 1000 years ago, Shuyin
I'm not sure he was actually a recreation of Shuyin and not just based on him, i think the dream people lived lives and had kids and the fayth probably just recycled people as they saw fit for the kids to keep the dream going, like they probably lacked the ability to come up with wholly new people so they based them on templates, but i'd imagine their lives followed different trajectories than the originals.
I'm pretty sure the fayth cobble together their dreams from their collective memory. Like a bunch of people remember seeing a Blitzball star but very few of them knew him personally. They all agreed that he had blonde hair and maybe a bit of a tan but couldn't quite get his clothing style right or his personality.
I don't remember if Zanarkand continues to progress as a dream or if it's basically a snap shot of it before Yu Yevon demolished it with Sin
If it's the former then he was always a dream person but if it's the latter a real boy Tidus once existed a 1000 years ago.
It definitely still progresses as a dream, because Tidus knows Jecht disappeared 10 years ago and that lines up with how long ago Yuna knew him
Plus Auron was around Tidus most of those intervening 10 years
He was always a dream. Basically
>Bevelle and Zanarkand go to war over 1000yr ago
>Zanarkand losing and about to face annihilation from Bevelle's machina armies
>Yu Yevon, top summoner in Zanarkand gets the people to sacrifice themselves as fayth (you see them as the wall of the fayth in Zanarkand
>these fayth are used to summon "dream" Zanarkand, which is technically an aeon, as are all its inhabitants, made up from fragments of memories of the people from real Zanarkand. This Zanarkand actually physically exists in the world, far out at sea
>Yu Yevon creates Sin to act both as an armor to defend him while he eternally summons dream Zanarkand and to destroy machina and large settlements to keep the world low tech
It's weird though because he dreams up Tidus' Zanarkand, then Sin attacks it in the beginning of the game. But I guess that Sin is Jecht at that point? Is Sin just timehopping?
I'm pretty sure it's because Jecht still had enough control that he figured out to rip into dream Zanarkand and get Auron to toss him into the sky butthole
Oh so dream Zanarkand is in another timeline or dimension
It's just in the middle of the ocean and Sin won't let Spirans discover it
Ah yes it’s over by Midgar
Sure if you subscribe to the theory about Shinra from X-2
That theory implies space travel
But fuck that theory in general
Does it still count as just a theory when FF7R added a cheeky Shinra cameo? I think it's more of just a developer in-joke at this point.
I don't care really because I don't consider these Rebuild tier spinoffs sequels prequels or whatever something worthy of discussion
They are shit, the games they are built upon never needed that shit
It’s pretty interesting when you consider that Sin was created in order to destroy all the Machina and halt technological progress. When Sin is gone, a hyper-tech world where Shinra and Midgar exists is completely possible. Though this would probably be several generations in the future.
And your parallel with the lifestream and the farplane overlapping Spira to the point of breaking through in places like Guadosalam is right there.
In an abstract sense, but the dream does physically exist it's just extremely far away from Spira.
And then of course by the end of the game the fayth are released and their dreaming ends
Okay here we go. No, you did not time travel from the start of the game 1000 years.
Zanarkand and Bevelle were at war and Zanarkand was getting fucked. The mayor, Yu Yevon, could not bear to see his beloved city destroyed. So he led the survivors into the mountains and turned them into Fayth. He then used those Fayth to summon a recreation of Zanarkand at the height of its power. Notice the Zanarkand at the start of the game is at sea while the Zanarkand at the end of the game is in the mountains? They're two different places. Dream Zanarkand was moved far out to sea where no one could get to it. He then used the souls of the dead to summon an aeon so inconceivably powerful that nothing could ever hope to challenge it. That became Sin. Sin was intended to destroy Bevelle's machina and protect Dream Zanarkand. But the summoning broke Yu Yevon's mind and Sin just started killing everything. Yu Yevon just continuously summons Dream Zanarkand from inside Sin while those within Dream Zanarkand are blissfully unaware that they and their city are all aeons.
>the Zanarkand at the start of the game is at sea
That’s cool, I never knew this detail I’ll have to check for it next time I play.
It's why Jecht goes missing when he was training in the ocean
Tidus's Zanarkand isn't 1000 years ago, the real one was. Sin visits the dream version that has been secretly existing up to the present day
The Zanarkand at the beginning is the dream Zanarkand. Sin/Jecht is attacking it to get Tidus to the rest of Spira outside of the dream bubble. Presumably so that Tidus kills him.
It's kind of implied that Auron, being unsent managed to somehow hitch a ride on Sin and get through to Jecht enough that he wanted to bring Tidus to Spira.
It's kind of both. The backstory to FFX is absurdly convoluted, but as far as I can recall, Zanarkand used to be real and likely was exactly the way we see in the beginning. Then over the course of a war with I think Bevelle, Yevon summoned a duplicate Zanarkand or some shit, and summoned Sin as armor to protect it. The huge wall of Fayth are just keeping up the summoning of the fake/dream Zanarkand and all its inhabitants. So Tidus is kind of real in that he may have existed at some point in the distant past, but he isn't because he's essentially just an aeon. I may also be remembering this wrong, because the whole mess about who summoned what and when is fucking impenetrable.
>because he's essentially just an aeon.
and you can rename him like other aeons
It's a cute thought, but Tidus grows stronger independently from the summoner, which no other Aeons do. Like yeah, you can raise their stats without leveling, but at no point do we see Tidus cram a billion items down his gullet to increase his stats.
Unless... maybe that's why he's always hungry.
Isn't the growth of the other aeons in some way tied to different, non-summoner party members? I don't remember how but that seems familiar to me
Not that anon, but I think it's tied to your battle count and Yuna's stats. My friend told me you need sigils to unlock the summons stat cap though, but he was a lying piece of shit most of the time.
I was thinking of the damage limit, they break it when certain celestial weapons are upgraded
What's wildly different about Tidus and Jecht are that they're the product of an entire city of Fayth, not just a single one like most Aeons are. What really doesn't make sense is that Tidus and Jecht can actually become Fayth themselves.
AI think you might be conflating fayth and pyreflies? Because fayth are the petrified humans that serve as conduits to summon aeons, and the latter, like all fiends, are made of concentrated pyreflies. Which is what Auron and Tidus turn into at the end.
Jecht is a fayth though.
No, I mean fayth. Because Jecht became Braska's Final Aeon despite being the product of a fayth in the first place. This would naturally mean Tidus could have become a fayth/final aeon too.
Right, good point. Maybe all you need to become a fayth is a physical body and some semblance of a soul/sentience, though I'm not sure the prerequisites to becoming a fayth are ever mentioned. I suppose the summoning keeping them in Spira might just be powerful enough to make them count as full humans.
Yeah, as I mentioned in another thread one of the reasons i love FFX so much is the game world's metaphysics are interesting to ponder. I guess if you wanted to get fundamental about it, as far as we know pyreflies are fundamental to everything in Spira, and a summoner merely shapes the pyreflies. So as Jecht was already an aeon it was just a case of Yu Yevon altering his form. Another thing that's interesting is that because all life is made of pyreflies, what's to say the "real" Spira isn't just a higher level of summoning going on.
It's like they took everything bad about FFX and none of the good and made a new FF with it. The rest of the budget they spent on Lightning's armpits.
It did receive some criticism for the lack of world map at the time but folks were ultimately lenient on that due to the fact that it still had side activities throughout the entire game instead of waiting until two hours before the end to finally give the player other things to do. It also had more going on with the gameplay and leveling system in general than 13 did which also helped make the linear works design sting far less. It also eventually offered a way to quickly backtrack to previous locations instead of locking them off altogether. The world design itself may have been linear but the game design still ultimately was not.
Because it isn't. Very early on you have actual dungeons and areas with multiple floors, towns, NPCs, shops, different environments etc. The fact it has voiceover and subtitles doesn't make it a braindead game like XIII.
How do we know WE aren’t dreams?
Dreams don't poop anon
I've shit myself because I really needed to poop in my dream before, so that's already wrong.
I know I'm real, I'm not so sure about the rest of you, though.
I'm not important enough to be remembered
DON'T start to study Hinduism.
i really hated how linear it was. made me quit the game. also those trials were fucking annoying.
I regret mentioning the Shinra thing already
Evidently being a dream in this case effectively means your a real boy with a real soul up until the dreamer stops dreaming
Well its just like the aeons. They're technically dreams but Bahamut's ability to vaporize you is still very real and tangible until it's Fayth stops dreaming.
>Have a 6’ dad
>Be a 5’9 manlet
Lmaoing at Tidus
>You, with a woman? You can't even catch a ball
Do you think Tidus and Yuna banged offscreen? Or did Tidus remain a virgin even in his own imagination?
Do sweet honeys in his dreams of being a pro athlete count? He surely banged some of them
They're as real as he is, so I'd say they count
There's no way a couple make out like that alone without it leading to sex. That's been my experience IRL (albeit not much of it)
Secretly watches you have sex
>Kimhari horn once cut off but today Kimhari grow new horn
Is Kimahri's lower horn blue or red like a dog's?
It's gotta either be a red rocket or a blue meanie
Ronso definitely have red rockets, though they might be more purple, if their natural skin color is also in the blue spectrum.
sickly pale white with prominent blue veins
>Japanese non-eroge game
Yuna doesn't even confess her love to Tidus in Japanese. She just says "Thank you" at the end.
You know your daddy issues are pretty bad when you have to dream about possibly having a threesome with two women only for your day to show up, cuck you, and turn you into a child as he makes fun of you in front of them.
It's battle system didn't suck ass.
I hated X when it came out for the linearity and in retrospect what trends it brought to FF. That said, X has a much better world and story compared to XIII, a very good battle system which is rare for FF and feels like a complete game.
>X has a much better world and story compared to XII
fuck no it doesn't. X's story is convoluted and full of horrific voice acting. the outfits for the main characters are godawful.
>t. born in 2000
I one hundred percent agree about the outfits, they are the worst in the series. But I think the story is pretty focused compared to most FF games, and it has that vintage Flash Gordon isekai sci-fi going for it that I can't help but like.
340 replies and nobody said it?
While the maps in FF X are mostly linear, they are designed to always have a little something here and there to keep you interested, some gimmicks, random structures with lore on it, NPCs and optional fights, plus they are rarely a straight line but with many turns.
The design is day and night.
A map isn't just the path you walk.
Was Dream Zanarkand a night only city?
Since it existed in Spira as a physical place, I'd say it's safe to assume it had a normal day-night cycle. Otherwise Tidus might've shit himself the moment he saw the sun rise.
Tidus explicitly says that there's a day
>Tidus: No problem! Zanarkand never sleeps! Let’s go to the sea, before the sunrise. The city lights go out one by one. The stars fade… Then the horizon glows, almost like it’s on fire. It’s kinda rose-colored, right? First in the sea, then it spreads to the sky, then to the whole city. It gets brighter and brighter, till everything glows. It’s really…pretty. I know you’d like it.
Imagine if they'd actually found dream zanarkand once they got on the airship, Tidus would've been scoring with the entire party after he showed them that sunrise.
probably get graviga'd out of the sky before reaching it
how'd they fuck up the faces so badly on the re-master
SE is retarded, they can't get anything right, like hair.
Left looks way better
Why couldn't they bother with fixing the backgrounds when AI mods for 9 already existed
fucking morongarden gnomes
>ANOTHER WORLD AWAITS YOU
>BORFF BORFF BORFF
>WO-WO-WO WOFF BO-BORFF BORFF
I still have monthly arguments with my friend about this track and how it isn't written or performed by Rammstein but he refuses to accept it. Every goddamn month it comes up some how, somewhere.
I played it when it came out and I remember wondering when I'd get to the world map and I think it hit me around mi'hen highroad that it wasn't happening and was really disappointed. The game overall was amazing so I got over it eventually though.
as a kid i remember thinking how crazy it was that they connected every zone in the game together without using a world map or a stage select screen. Like you could just walk back from the Calm lands to Luca iirc.
Same, I also fucking HATED the aesthetic of the game and all the preview material, but when I finally borrowed the game from a friend it legit became one of my all time faves.
I think that was one of my earlier instances of realizing that most jrpgs fall into two camps: High fantasy or futuristic. The island post-apocalypse is a pretty unique setting for the series
I feel like 90% of video games are either high fantasy or futuristic.
Let's not downplay the modern day games. Or "steampunk" which most of the time is just modern day but with more streaming pipes and exposed gears.
I think i just forget about modern day games because they're super common in genres like FPS and racing games but pretty rare in genres like RPGs or action games.
1. It was fun to play
2. The story was enjoyable
3. Standards were lower
It's the worst FF in history.
turn-based used wrong
Nomurhack at its worst
most boring final boss
don't reply to me i dont care about your opinion
6 is so unbelievably overrated that it’s unreal. It’s okay, but is pretty bog standard for an SNES JRPG.
I swear half the praise the game gets is because Kefka destroys the world (which ends up barely mattering anyway, because the game still has a happy ending, and the not much in the overworld changes aside from higher level enemy spawns and some irrelevant pieces of land being deleted from the map). Dancing Mad is a beyond GOAT final boss theme though— I’ll concede that.
I’d say that VIII and XII are my personal favourites.
7 is the most commonly praised game especially by hipsters who use it for internet clout unless they're forced to defend Remake against it. I don't care. FF7 is one of my favorite games of all time and I'll die on the hill that it's a fantastic game regardless of its faults that I'm comfortable enough to admit to. I still play it to this day and enjoy it every time.
FF7 is genuinely good, it was just ruined by its shit fanbase and now the sequel. It's easily my favorite FF, but I'll admit that if I didn't feel as much nostalgia for it, FFX might take that spot.
>it was just ruined by its shit fanbase and now the sequel.
Yeah...I can't argue with you on that
I really like the story and world in FFX but holy shit when people say the gameplay is great I just have to wonder what their fucking problem is. 4 bros in a line is always tetchy ground but even for that genre it was very sub par.
Compare that to FFT which came out a few years earlier and utterly mogs FFX.
Tidus was annoying, but a lot of times his bumbling was understandable, since half his story is being a fish out of water in Spira. Lightning is just seething almost constantly and that becomes grating much faster.
imagine how awful he'd be if he were written today.
>9000 lines of dialogue about how he has to hide that he's from "another world"
Which would be out of character. The laughing scene illustrates how Tidus can't lie. He wears his emotions on his sleeve and he can't manufacture an emotion he's not feeling. Which enhances the scene at the end of the game
>Bahamut: But, you know… When it is all over…we will wake, and our dream will end. Our dream will vanish.
>Tidus: Yeah. You’ve been dreaming a long time, haven’t you?
>Bahamut: I’m sorry.
>Tidus: I’m grateful.
>Yuna: About what?
>Tidus: Oh, nothing. Hey, don’t make that face! Come on! We’re going to beat Sin! Let’s see some cheer, okay?
>Yuna: You’re hiding something.
>Tidus: (Turns his face away) I’m not!
>Yuna: Really? (After he leaves) You’re a bad liar, you know?
well i'm talking about a hypothetical where FFX was made for the first time today, so it's not that it would be "out of character" the tidus in a 2023 FFX would be a different character entirely, and probably ruined by a shit ton of Isekai tropes because FFX is in many ways an Isekai story already.
I never thought of this before but it's scarily accurate. FFX today would be ruined by isekai tropes and generic as fuck. It's still pretty bland at times compared to the games before but has a lot of amazing artistry and flair from the earlier FF games as well. It's very impressive at times. Now I'm imagining it'd be like SAO in 2023, and with way worse visuals and music.
I wonder how Wakka's character would be written now
I like ff12
Because the game is literally about not straying from the path. Yuna is on a pilgrimage, so it makes sense that she would travel straight from temple to temple as many Summoners before her.
Kinda drove it home that the Calm Lands being the most "open world" area is where a lot of Summoners lost their way & gave up on their missions.
>Gets revived back to life and gets to live on a beautiful island with 3 incredibly cute and sexy girls
FFX hallways are painful
FFXIII hallways are painful
FFXs characters are annoying but over time they grow on you and you want to see them win
FFXIIIs characters are ball crushingly painful and you just want to see them all be grinded into thin paste.
FFXs story is pretty good.. not great like 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 or 12.
FFXIIIs story is one of the worst things you've ever seen since Halo ODST (no where near as bad as Halo ODST).
FF9 > FF7 > FF10 > FF6 > FF12 > FF5 = FF4 >>>FF15>>>>> FF8 >>>> burning garbage >>>> FF13
Anyone who claims FF13 is good is just that hack Motomu Toriyama in disguise.
Is it normal for cousins to act around each other like this?
>sluts be like
Both games were fine. By XIII, people were obsessed with open world and there was a good two years of rumor and speculation that XIII was going to have some massive open world the entire game despite being 3 discs on the 360.
XIII's biggest issue isn't the linearity. It's that it insists on giving you tutorials through the entire game all the way to the final boss, and then most of the content is restricted to the third disc or even post game.
because the absolutely fantastic story, world, music and gameplay more than compensate for it despite all previous FF games being the same in practice (overworld that you can do nothing in but be channeled to towns one at a time).
FF9 shitters are the worst
Gay Reddit thread full newfag tourists
FFX had some pretty cool summons and was also the last FF (iirc) to use pencil sketches for character portraits
It's a big step down from 9 but a lot better than 8. Mostly for the excellent combat system that still had active competitions and labbing for decades and is probably ongoing.
What it did badly, the corridors and no world map, was made up for by a lot of soulful storytelling and strong characters. While it's definitely not the best FF it SHOULD'VE been the foundation for future games. The combat was immediately dropped for action/hybrid trash of course.
I will say the game has some major issues that are lesser known. It has so many unskippable cutscenes, like 5 hours of them, and the balance is all over the place (though it's easily the "hardest" FF ever up to that point with post game content).
Anyway the major takeaway is that it's way worse than 7 and 9, but better than 8, and sadly what they took from its success was cutscenes and story when people also liked the combat and focus on worldbuilding. You can see how much they fucked up with 13 there, and 12 I feel like most people skipped.
FF has literally always been casual. Hallway rpgs were pretty standard at the time if you ever played anything on ps2
Ready for our date Tidus?
The quality is just better and it wasnt a hallway, they retained much of the level design from prior Final Fantasy games. Final Fantasy XIII was made for the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare and casual normie gamer. Final Fantasy XIII was made as a hallway so if was user friendly for COD and normie gamers.
I think FFX is the one time I agree with Japs on JRPGs and other weebshit. It is one of the better games in the series
I’m an X nostalgia fag and i got more secure about it after my tendie friend played it for the first time in his late 20s and it became one of his favorite games
The inn scenes where everyone is on the same screen in the game world were apex comfykino
Because the story is serviceable enough and they do a pretty good job of getting you invested in most of the individual characters. People don't give a shit about it being a hallway simulator because it's an older JRPG and also because of the reasons I mentioned in the previous sentence.