why were classic FPS so much better? Posted on May 22, 2023 by Anonymous why were classic FPS so much better?
>not a single classic in that 3x3
The only one in that 3x3 I played to completion was RTCW
then learn what a classic fps means, dickhead
I think it's because engines of the past allowed for more satisfying movement and gunplay because they were simpler and got the basics just right (unreal 1, lithtech, ID tech 2)
Hint: notice it all went to shit around the same time E3 banned booth babes.
It went to shit in the PS2 generation, long before social justice infested video games.
>muh culture war!!!
Shut the fuck up. Games went to shit because everything else did. The moment corporations figured out the average person is an idiot that will happily lap up shit and even defend you for it, it was fucking over for society. Now corporations control most countries and the government bend its knee to them from laws to money.
>Anita Defense Force the moment you point out a truth
>immediately screeches x boogeyman out of nowhere
Poetry. Gonna scream about morons and trannies next gay?
>le "real thing is just a boogeyman" gaslight
>everyone is a chud out to get you
So you got upset at something and now have to resort to coping that the other person is actually a loser irl so you actually have the last laugh. Literal child mentality
>criticize Anita's destructive influence on gaming
You're not unhinged at all.
No one said that but keep intentionally misinterpreting everything to sound better.
not him but you're clearly a mentally ill chud since you brought up trannies in the first place. may I suggest you dilate
Right wing puritan fags hate fanservice for dudes just as much as the sjw cunts
You had one job
doom aged like dogmilk
Doom is among the least "aged" games of all time. You just run around and shoot shit with standard fps controls.
except you can't look up or down and god forbid you wanted to jump, all the levels are just mazes, exact same mazes
>all the levels are just mazes, exact same mazes
Doom is not Wolfenstien 3D.
>except you can't look up or down
Yes you can. Play modern sourceports and turn it on you loser. Tons of wads also have it on by default.
>d god forbid you wanted to jump
Same as above. Stop being a whiny fucking gay. Doom is the best.
You don't need those things
There's like 2 mazes in Knee Deep for the Dead lol. Do you consider anything that's not a straight line a maze? Lmao.
doom is dogshit
play real titles
He's a larper and he's going to samefag and reply to you 10 times to make it seem like he's not alone in his retardation.
Umihara Kawase but it's a 2.5D bsp portal boomer shooter nightmare
liking doom is a sign of NPC behaivor
tasteless and retarded
this but vanilla Doom
also, hating TNT Evilution is the most NPC hivemind zombie behavior I have ever seen
i only know Half Life, Wolfstein and Perfect Dark, tell me about the other games that makes them so good
How do you not know Blood?
Half-Life except you're a space cowboy hopping between planets fighting dinosaurs and rapey fungal monsters with weapons that have shittons of firing modes and a sarcastic AI dommy-mommy guiding you
How the fuck do you get Gunman to run properly? I got it off myabandonware, but whenever I try to start it the screen vanishes
No idea, haven't played it since I was on XP iirc. Have you tried 86box?
I'll give it a shot. I'm on win10
>not an argument
>get another sage
no bullshit sidequests or filler, just straight up linear kino.
PD blew goldeneye out of the water and I'm tires of pretending it didn't.
3 of these are mediocre, 6 of them are legitimately bad and not worth playing. what is with hipster gays praising garbage? did some e-celeb tell you they were "hidden gems"?
>fluid omnidirectional movement and combat mechanics
>focus on gameplay over story
These two mainly.
Better level design (hand-drawn polygons instead of prefab isnets) and better enemy variety (easier to create a bunch of 500 poly enemies than 50000 poly enemies)
ill just cover these real quick.
these games evidently are based on HL or take inspiration from it. they also pull in its shit shooting mechanics, i.e. you're gonna shoot shitscan enemies that are barely reactive to being hit with boolets. so expect to take damage every fight in the most annoying manner possible. so its popamole shit before popamole became a thing. at least COD gave you regen health to bandaid this bullshit.
if you also think walk and talk bullshit is annoying. wait till you play NOLF's boring ass sniper intro.
actually super fun. unlike other shooters during this era, it actually made shooting FEEL GOOD AND REACTIVE. an art that seemed to be lost in PC shooters past HL.
fun if you can ignore the hitscan enemies hitting you faster than you can even react. at least they react to being shot at, you can interrupt their attacks. hit detection is fucked, so play it with autoaim on.
the only praise i think ive seen thrown at this game is that its 'hard'. much like devs mentioning theyll be focusing on casualization, you can expect a game to be shit when the difficulty is the only thing of note. horseshoe theory in action here.
pretty good. filtered Ganker pretty hard despite goldeneye being seen as a popular classic. the devs took inspiration from rail shooters, focused on make da shootan feel good, and i think it holds up. the devs even had the IQ to design it around the rather clunky N64 controller. enemies have a set time before they shoot you, shooting them is fairly reactive (much like rail shooters at the time), it's basically a rail shooter where you can move, and that's pretty fucking cool as a result. if you played RE4 and understand the design behind the restrictive control scheme, you know if ya know right? funny how console shooters were more unique AND smartly designed in comparison to PC FPS before the whole modernization thing set in.
>these games evidently are based on HL
Sin came before Half Life you fucking retard.
oh it did. it's just so forgettable nobody is going to bother fact checking that besides some Ganker aspies.
both sin and unreal came out before half life and did environmental story telling
base half-life 1 is ass and I'm tired of pretending that it's not
>both sin and unreal came out before half life and did environmental story telling
okay so? Unreal's SP had zero impact and the engine and MP spinoff series outlived the actual mainline games. SIN is basically a meme game. im not saying HL is good
OpFor is ass and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
nope, just proves that the genre was inevitably trending towards the HL route either way. HL1 is pure kino, aspies fuck off.
Halo destroyed the FPS genre before destroying itself a decade later.
HL and Quake probably did more damage in the long term. HL threw in bullshit cinematic introductions that are only impressive on first playthroughs, and Quake took the aspie approach of only pushing tech without any regard to the game's direction. so you got a glut of boring ass HL inspired FPS, which barely garner any discussion on here or Ganker, and boring tech demo shooters of the mid 00s.
yes, extremely boooooring, can we now please talk about DOOM !? you know ? the best game eva that allows us to be so freakin cool heck yea
eat your eyes
there's always that one sperg . . .
i enjoyed crysis outside of the last shit 1/3 of it. probably because the devs were interested in pushing tech and having it incorporated into the gayplay. that webm is incredibly hyperbolic of the game's combat situations tho.
>that webm is incredibly hyperbolic of the game's combat situations tho.
The pre-alien parts are what you want to do, it's only hyperbolic if you choose not to play rambo-style
> it's only hyperbolic if you choose not to play rambo-style
the game boils down to teetering between going invisible and gunning people down. that gay in the webm scripted it to look cooler than it actually does.
>playing a game is scripting it
that gay probably knew those enemies spawned there, loaded up a checkpoint, damaged a vehicle to the point where it was going to explode, then proceeded to do all that shit. unscripted shit never looks that cool in the actual game.
>I never replay games
They didn't hold your hand as much. They also had much better level design with more fun set pieces.
for me, movement and pacing has alot to do with it.
which is why indies are trying to replicate it.
I love boomer shooters
Doom was great for its time, but I pretty much never go back and replay it. When I have an itch for a game from that era, I play Heretic, Hexen, or Strife.
this type of level design right here, you know what I mean? what happened to it?
thats not level design, thats a set piece. are you retarded? also, looks like my actual criticism was deleted, super good job mods, guess ill just go back to insane shitposting
>thats not level design, thats a set piece
whats the difference
you sound like a modern game designer
werent you bitching at op for not giving a proper argument? i was genuinely asking
a set piece is an isolated chunk of a level completely independent of everything else. its quite popular in movie games.
unironically have a nice day and be done with it
mad because btfo
your btfo your worthless takes outta tt
stay hushed lmfao
Why am I so shit at the games I was good at as a kid?
if youre shit at those games you might have a brain tumor
Because the industry decided that every FPS is supposed to be multiplayer. If not then it's some boring open world shit like Far Cry.
Having a standard FPS campaign is such a rarity these days and most don't even bother making one. Last time we had a proper FPS was with Doom Eternal and that was 3 years ago already. Everything else that came along was made by indies or new studios with hit or miss titles like Atomic Heart.
I think that gamers these days have shit taste.
Blood is mediocre
Op4 is alright but underwhelming
nolf is terrible
sof is mediocre
sin is below average
gunman is shit
rtcw is mediocre
perfect dark is dull (and runs like ass)
kingpin is mediocre
did you just look up pc shooters from before you were born or something
>Blood is mediocre
You're trying to out contrarian OP yet you only come off as bigger gay
If you like nolf I really don't care what you have to say
but if you agree with me that nolf is terrible then I'd be interested in your thoughts otherwise don't bother replying if you like that god awful joke of a game only liked for its forced feminist shit and joke of a stealth system
hes right dumbass
>Op4 is alright but underwhelming
OP4 is amazing
>nolf is terrible
not it is not, it's above average
nolf is so fucking bad its comedic how bad it is. Not a soul can defend its retarded run directly at the player and fire AI, the retarded "stealth" system that never worked, the dull weapons and the shit level design. Oh hey at least it has preachy feminist bullshit and a settings gimmick they lean into like two fucking times.
It's awful. Get taste.
im surprised at how bad monolith is with everything past Blood. Fear's enjoyable, but damn, they really dropped the ball on nearly everything they did afterward.
Fear is alright if you really have no desire for level design variety or enemy variety. It bores me quickly and is a really ugly game to boot.
not him but i tried FEAR again earlier since i dont know what to play and was filtered by shitty weapon grouping and the fact that you can't run
I'm not even a zoomer
also I always hated the edgy little girl with super powers trope
I played fear on release with friends back when it was a big deal (thought it was a 7/10), played it last year and dropped 2 hours into it, it's ass tbh
trepang 2 is coming out next month though and is kino
fear mostly appeals to slavs looking for a meat grinder game that lets them feel like the terminator, its weaknesses as a game are really obvious and when its scripting isn't tight the encounters feel utterly pathetic.
I knew FEAR was a boring game when my no-reflexes dad managed to pop a few shots on the invincible 2x4 wielding dude before the cutscene
no they did not ?
I liked condemned
Ganker is full of little kids who have no idea what they're talking about. Ganker will continue to ignore trepang2 release next month because they dont want good single player FPS, they want braindead build engine knock offs and halo, basically anything with a space muhreen. the post right above me is praising fucking doom eternal. you are all fake vapid gays.
System Shock is being released in a couple days
oh boy is that a heckin imsim with terrible gunplay
Yeah it seems like Nightdive botched this one, the gunplay has almost no feedback and everything is so dark you can't see the enemies before they hitscan you
I love the og game but after playing this demo my expectations are pretty low
> the gunplay has almost no feedback
so its kinda like the og game. because you cant even fucking interrupt enemy attacks or really avoid shitscan without leaning around every fucking corner.
in the og games you had clearly visible animations showing you hit them, sound and they would get stunned for a moment
of course you have to give some credit here, the og game is very old and Nightdive should know how FPS works by now
>in the og games you had clearly visible animations showing you hit them, sound
it has that in the form of hitmarkers, sure, but im pretty sure you cant interrupt enemy attacks via stunstates as in Doom. either that, or they recover so fast you can barely notice.
>im pretty sure you cant interrupt enemy attacks via stunstates as in Doom
you can, it only lasts a few frames though
they were about fun gimmicks, creative weapons and just plain fun
now you get the ultra realistic military shooters, future warfare and shit
or you get the """"""retro""""""" shooters that try to shoehorn as many mechanics of doom eternal as possible while claiming to be ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''boomer''''''''''''''''''''''''''' shooters
>mainly made for PC, so they weren't watered down for consoles yet
>made before the genre become oversaturated with as fuck due to cod and it's contemporaries, so there was room for more fresh ideas
>made by people with other hobbies and interests as opposed to just playing vidya and aping doom eternal, so see above
Don't care for realism brown and bloom ADS military wankery with regenerating shields
Don't care for chud pixelshit ADHD weapon swapping autism with buttplug support
Love Doom, Half-Life, and Crysis
never seen this game bundled with the other 2 before though
I played 1 at release and I guess I liked it. What makes it so good? Are the others good too?
crysis 2 is a serviceable linear shooter not at all like the first game
warhead is like c1 but shorted and better paced (but with a horrible last level)
crysis 3 is not worth your time
>What makes it so good?
Most of your weapons are fairly standard stuff, but you can modify all of them in a pretty simple, but nice way. (You can put silencers, laser sights, and scopes-even sniper scopes-on just about every gun) But the main draw is the suit. It has all sorts of powers like super speed, super strength, a cloak, and a shield, all of which can be swapped through at will. That said, you have a limited battery to work with, so be wary of that.
It also has a HL2-tier physics engine and most wooden buildings are fully destructible. It also has drivable tanks and military vehicles, one set piece involves you driving a tank.
Combine all of this with the fact that you get to necklift morons in a jungle with fuckheug open levels and you get an extremely kino game. Be warned the last act is very mediocre despite being graphically impressive.
>Are the others good too?
Crysis 2 is more consolized than the first, but the gameplay is fine. Presentation-wise, it's extremely kino due to the presentation. The best way to describe it is to imagine something like the Michael Bay transformers movies in vidya form, and that's basically Crysis 2. Soundtrack is also good.
Never played Crysis 3
Just finished episode 5 of Blood on Lightly Broiled for the first time
It's funny how a week ago I was pulling my hair over the difficulty but now i'm mostly breezing the episodes on LB. Guess I should start Well done after, but man I tried earlier and it really is a fucking bitch
both the 5th and 7th gens had really good FPS. 6th gen didn't focus on them too much and 8th gen they became battle royales
>System Shock 2
>all the Tom Clancy games
>didn't focus on them too much
SS2, Unreal Tournament, Half Life, Quake 3 came out in the 90s.. the 6th gen (outside of dreamcast) started in 2000 or 2001 and ended around 2005
>and ended around 2005
In that case, add Far Cry, Half-Life 2, UT2003/04, and plenty of others
kingpin and sof are ass though. especially kingpin
Blood stills holds out and nightdive game it a really good modern port.
Opposing Force is a great prequel to Hunt Down The Freeman.
I have yet to play that one.
Soldier of Fortune...which was the game that was unironically developed in collaboration with the US Army and was kino? It wasn't AA, which was another title which was also kino.
Sin is underrated but got mogged by HL, also tits.
Gunman...that one was bad and you know it.
ROFLCOW...yup it is bretty good.
PD, I liked it better than Golden Eye but I won't lie to you neither of them hold up. I think Agent difficulty on a free Sunday is the best way to enjoy it.
Kingpin, dunno, never played it.
Sin- I remember playing the demo at a friends house and upon launching the game it took control of the mouse or something and did shit in the files
Then his dad said it's not a virus its just some prank from the game
was that a thing? it gave us a scare
>tier list autist
Are their any others I should know about?
Which one is that?
the gossip girl gay who acts like anyone else cares about his paranoid delusions
They just were fellow boomer. They just was.
1. made for PC
2. made for gamers, by gamers
3. no "games as a service" bs
4. usually had vast modding options and private servers
Blood is solid, best of the old Build games.
OpFor is a good expac, a tad overrated.
NOLF actually sucks and is carried by its writing.
SoF is okay, gets by on the gore and satisfying guns.
Sin is mediocre and drags on.
Gunman is a forgettable HalfLife mod.
RTCW is super overrated, decent game.
Perfect Dark is great (when played with M/KB and 60fps)
Kingpin is mostly shit.
t. Finished way more FPS games than you.