will ADV ever be topped as a metagame?

will ADV ever be topped as a metagame?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    what makes it so special?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lack phys/special Split, no u-turn, no close combat, no charizard's best friend to name a few

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        qrd on why some gays hate the phys/sp split? I always thought this was a shit take tbh. Before you sperg out I also prefer the ADV metagame

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's pretty bog-standard contrarianism. the split is an objective improvement, it was other factors that lead to the decline of competitive.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I figured as much. Contrarianism is mental illness.

            >qrd on why some gays hate the phys/sp split?
            power creep

            >Pokemon being allowed to make full use of their typing… le bad!
            No, still a shit take.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Pokemon being allowed to make full use of their typing
              Every Pokemon in Gen 3 can already make full use of their typing. I have no fricking clue what you're talking about.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You never played the game. The split is and was unnecessary. Monster stats and movepool was already balanced around the typing=stat used system. Gen 4 was the start of powercreep so bad, that fan communities started banning random non legendary mons (remember Garchomp). It also made moves less interesting overall and increased bloat for no reason. So many move clones. Why?

                Pokemon having access to STAB using their best attacking stat didn’t break the game you hyperbolic mongoloids. Still a shit take.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Pokemon having access to STAB using their best attacking stat didn’t break the game
                It did make the game worse though.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Did it? I think you’re just a seething boomer homosexual, to be quite honest with you. Opinion discarded. Suck my balls.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Did it?
                Yes.

                >I think you’re just a seething boomer homosexual
                He says, as he continues to not explain how the split makes the game better.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Reddit spacing
                haha homosexual

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You seem to be an expert on how reddit works. Maybe you should go back there.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, gengar makes great use of physical ghost moves, fricking moron

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes? If you want to make use of ghost moves on Gengar, you can. Where’s the problem?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Deliberately disingenuous. Go back

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >no argument

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Some things are so stupid that I don't need to argue them

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                moron

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Deliberately disingenuous. Go back

                >every stab attack by every single pokemon HAS TO come off an enormous stat!
                >no deviation from this formula can be tolerated!
                >otherwise a pokemon is completely unusable!

                no

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sneed. Nobody plays the format for a reason

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                being allowed to make full use of their typing
                >Every Pokemon in Gen 3 can already make full use of their typing.
                Sneasel can't. That's about it though, and it's Johturd's fault.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              You never played the game. The split is and was unnecessary. Monster stats and movepool was already balanced around the typing=stat used system. Gen 4 was the start of powercreep so bad, that fan communities started banning random non legendary mons (remember Garchomp). It also made moves less interesting overall and increased bloat for no reason. So many move clones. Why?

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              being allowed to make full use of their typing… le bad!
              Because it makes strong pokemon stronger and weak pokemon weaker, which is the definition of powercreep, the opposite of balanced.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Good thing there's also more Pokemon introduced each gen, meaning there's an opportunity for even those that may have been 'crept to excel in certain scenarios against new or adjusted Pokemon while also taking advantage of whatever updates they were given.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Because it makes strong pokemon stronger and weak pokemon weaker
                You can say that about everything, gen 1 should be the peak meta for you.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Every generation is a power creep and the split was the biggest power creep in all of Pokemon. That's the whole argument, the split made something bad worse.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the split is an objective improvement
            and yet no one can explain how it's an objective improvement

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Because it extends the viability of Pokemon you actual brainlet. It's not hard to look at Crawdaunt or Sharpedo's abysmal special attack and go "Wow, wouldn't it be nice if water AND dark weren't special moves so these Pokemon could take advantage of their STAB?"

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >abysmal
                homies out here really just be yappin anything

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Stop projecting just because they don't sell thesaurus in the ghetto.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                lil bro thinks I'm talm bout definitions thas crazy

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >qrd on why some gays hate the phys/sp split?
          power creep

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          it made hidden power marginally more interesting and I HATE crawdaunt due to a deep seeded personal grudge.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >deep seeded
            also please explain your autistic hatred of Crawdaunt

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I grew up in a small rural town an hour outside of Wichita Kansas, I used to go down to the little creek outside down by my neighbors property and look at all the little fauna that ran around down there, including these little lobsters that I came to know as the crawdad. one day I went there with my brother to try and grab some and pick them up for dinner when the biggest bright red crayfish I ever did see nipped my little toe off. my brother laughed and said "THAT ONE WAS CRAWDAUNT" speaking of it's incredible power. the little bastard got away and every time I see that horrible pokemon it reminds me that I will never have a complete foot rub, be able run barefoot and every time that horrible pokemon grows in power, I lose.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Based on your type, you can more easily focus on your defenses if you know what type of move (Atk, Sp. Atk) your opponent will likely try and hit you with. Post split you have to minmax, otherwise you are not optimal.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Power creep and move bloat, although it's honestly not even close to the worst power creep to come out of gen 4.. A better solution would have been to just rebalance the like 3 pokemon that had backwards stats for their type, like Sneasel.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          I like the phys/spec split there is no honest game design criticism against it - literally makes more sense that Ice Punch would PHYSICALLY punch... anyway I will say Oldgays like the novelty of limiting otherwise busted mons Dragonite/Gyarados/etc. with bad movesets but thats giving Game Freakk too much credit these were a bunch of hobbyist jap coders in 2003 like they didn't think that much about it

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >literally makes more sense that Ice Punch would PHYSICALLY punch

            Ice punch should be a fighting move that can freeze

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think it does reduce some uniqueness and encourages power creep in the roster, but that's a developer skill issue that could've been resolved by more creative moveset assignment and more thoughtful typing.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          shifted the game from perfectly balanced between defensive play vs offensive play, to heavily skewed in favor of offense

          many pokemon having types (and thus moves esp STAB moves) that didnt suit their stat distributions was fine, it was a moderating influence. they could still do decent damage at times, it's not like they were totally useless.

          but the gen 4 split gave powerful stab attacks coming off high offensive stats to every pokemon. every pokemon was now a potential sweeper. ruined the balance, now it's just ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK because now every mon has knockout power.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >shifted the game from perfectly balanced between defensive play vs offensive play, to heavily skewed in favor of offense
            You didnt play, or were very fricking bad at Gen 4 OU if you believe this

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Muh Alakazam/Gengar lost Elemental Punches
          >Muh Skarmory can’t wall out every single physical attacker in the game

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Physical/Special split enables min-maxing thus increasing the powerlevel of the game beyond a reasonable degree considering everything else introduced in generation 4 alongside it.
          Pokemon was more manageable without the split.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >charizard's best friend
        am stupid, please explain

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sneaky Pebbles.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >what makes it so special?
      you have the largest variety of viable options, tactics, and strategies without any one of them being particularly overbearingly overpowered compared to the others

      gen3ou enables a lot of player freedom while still being close enough to modernized Pokemon, just without the powercreep and insane powerlevel

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >what makes it so special?

      The limited roster ends up being a blessing. And all the viable Pokemon have multiple sets to pull from. Even plenty of UU mons have real niches in the tier. There is also no one thing that is overbearing. Even Salamence/Tyranitar after D-Dance is manageable thanks to a variety of checks.
      The limitations also extend to held items with most mons picking from either salac, lefties or choice band. Most other item choices are super rare and niche and even then they don't dramatically impact the game the way things like items in later gens do. No U-Turn/Volt Switch is super nice too.
      I see people mostly complain about chip damage namely in the form of spikes but Adv also has an abundance of fantastic spinners with only one spin blocker in the form of Gengar.
      All of this culminates into a really well balanced meta and perhaps the most skill-based meta you can pick from.

      TLDR: Wide variety in both Mons and sets without anything being overbearing.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >with only one spin blocker in the form of Gengar.
        Misdreavus, Dusclops, Sableye, and even Banette have all seen viable usage as spinblockers in gen3ou as well

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't they ban Mr. Mime because of Baton Pass?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      More specifically because Mr. Mime has soundproof and cannot be roared out.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >they banned Soundproof instead of specifically Mr. Mime
        >this means that Exploud is banned from OU
        lol

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          the gays also banned Sandslash
          that genuinely ticks me off because it has the chance to be sleeper good even outside of Sandstorm

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Soundproof is banned in gen3ou, which means Mr. Mime *and* Exploud are banned.
      It was because of Baton Pass and being immune to Roar.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's one of 3 metas without Stealth Rock.
    Gen 1 is a bit of a meme with fishing for crits and freeze, while Gen 2 is the worst meta in the franchise.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >is the worst meta in the franchise.
      but enough about BW2

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, Gen 2 is by far the worst meta in Pokemon franchise history.
        With Gen 1 right behind it

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          why is gen 2 bad (apart from >muh snorlax)?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because bulk from the EV system and lack of intimidate & weather abilities is... LE BAD!

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because bulk from the EV system and lack of intimidate & weather abilities is... LE BAD!

            The main problem is that games can be very slow at times:
            >You could max out on everything with Stat EXP, unlike the EV system making Pokémon much more bulkier
            >Sleep Talk could successfully call Rest, meaning that a there were a lot more Sleep Talk sets roaming around
            >Snorlax being so bulky and universally used that Alakazam has Dynamic Punch in its example moveset (Although there Snorlax does have a lot to of offensively oriented movesets).
            >Leftovers is pretty much the only useful item in the game outside of running no item you can steal leftovers from an opponent
            >As much as it is easy to complain about Stealth Rock, it does force the game to be faster and more committal.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because bulk from the EV system and lack of intimidate & weather abilities is... LE BAD!

            >an entire meta of stall is…LE GOOD
            you should apply to be a Smogon mod

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE PLEASE DON'T USE BATON PASS TO SWEEP MY SAND ABUSE TEAM!

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                that's how smoggies unironically think

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                gen 2 is one of the only tiers where you can actually use a full team baton pass strat and it's hilariously fun to cleave through an entire stall team after passing 2 agilitys to a belly drum lax

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                you'd get phazed by Skarmory or Tyranitar or Golem or Steelix or Raikou before reaching that point

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                notice how half of those are beat by hp water jolt and the others are one marowak eq away from death. phazers are easily able to be played around if you're not a totally moron

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >why is gen 2 bad (apart from >muh snorlax)?
            I could name a whole host of reasons but none of them would matter that much if it wasn't for Sleep Talk successfully calling Rest. That's the fundamental flaw that makes it unplayable for the general population, although it is such a flaw due to the confluence of the other factors.
            It probably would still be overbearing in Gen 3 however. By Gen 4, offense had grown strong enough to overcome it.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Gen 1 OU is Pokemon distilled. It's only bad if you fundamentally hate Pokemon.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            TRUE, gen 1 is all randomness and hedges and whether or not you want to admit it, pokemon is a strategy game built around randomness, and pretending like it doesn't exist and not playing around the worst case scenario will lead to repeated, frustrating defeats

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              yeppers

              gen 1 competitive is very valuable education for a Pokemon player

              it teaches you how to "abuse" and "exploit" the mechanics and mons that have them, which is the crucial part of optimization and maximization of potential

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm gonna PUNCH BLISSEY in the FACE!

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    bot thread

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sneasel got shafted by it

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >is still shit in gen 4
      no it didn't

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Twas UU in adv, and wasnt in DP

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s UU in ADV and NU in DP. Phys/spec split didn’t help it at all. It’s a shitmon either way.

          If you were able to magically plop phys/spec split DP Sneasel into ADV then it would probably be good but it doesn’t help when literally every other Pokemon in the game also gets more powerful from the split.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            UU in ADV is basically equivalent to RU or NU due to the idiotic handling of UUBL when the tier was created. Unfortunately there has not been much interest in just rebranding the ADV tiers.
            Post split Sneasel managed to get as high as RU in XY so it clearly benefited from the change in the long run, to say nothing of Weavile's peaks.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >i-it’s good in XY you just need to ban the 300 pokemon better than it!
              lmao

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                > a single mon dropped one tier?
                >the whole game mechanic is bad
                how are those things even remotely connected?

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              nostalgiagays always conveniently forget about weavile when talking about sneasel in gen 4

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                If Weavile was the reason Sneasel was shit in gen 4 it would be UU not NU.

                > a single mon dropped one tier?
                >the whole game mechanic is bad
                how are those things even remotely connected?

                >the mechanic causes power creep and improves literally nothing? The whole mechanic is shit
                Correct.

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Gen 3 UU is indeed really just Gen 3 RU. It's a fake tier propped up by autists who refuse to adapt that nobody else finds fun, enticing, or wants to play. It's trash and fraudulent.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >this same autistic gay STILL thinks his "argument" means anything
            lol

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              You’re right anon Dynamax was a good mechanic because it made Kingler more usable.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s UU in ADV and NU in DP. Phys/spec split didn’t help it at all. It’s a shitmon either way.

          If you were able to magically plop phys/spec split DP Sneasel into ADV then it would probably be good but it doesn’t help when literally every other Pokemon in the game also gets more powerful from the split.

          nobody uses Sneasel in gen3uu
          it's rare and a technicality at this point

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >he didn’t play the game
      shadow ball exists

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      GOOD

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah let's ignore the evolution that remained pretty strong over the years, stupid Black person.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Yes let’s ignore the completely different Pokemon that isn’t the thing we’re talking about
        Yes.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hey look, it’s this sperg again!
      Point and laugh, everyone!

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its fine if you prefer pre split meta, but don't try to act as if it's the objective more fun choice. If it was, those gens would see a lot more activity than they do now

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 3 OU was the most played old gen OU last month, beating out everything including Gen 7 OU

      So it's looking like this pre-split meta is in fact the most fun, since it has the most activity

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It'll always be the best. No moronic bloat, every mon has an interest niche to some degree, variety in OU, power level is relatively tame.

    The only people who hate ADV are Gen 9 gays who can only rely on hazard Ghold spam to climb ladder.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The only people who hate ADV are Gen 9 gays who can only rely on hazard Ghold spam to climb ladder.
      TSS dominated Gen 3 for fricking ever
      You morons who never played Gen 3 need to stop talking like you know anything

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Even though there's rapid spin, a viable fricking move. Alongside Gengar, who while also blocked spin, doesn't manhandle the tier cause Ttar, Starmie fights back anyways among other adaptations.

        moron. If you think TSS is as bad as the shit we got right now in Gen 9 (Complete hazard removal shutdown, sticky webs, Stealth Rock forcing everything to run boots because every item either aged like ass or isn't as valuable as stopping hazards) you are completely coping.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >TSS dominated Gen 3 for fricking ever
        because gen3ou used to be an obscure metagame few people played other than uncreative, repetitive autists
        it "dominated" in the sense that it was spammed; it was never the best playstyle, just the one that was solved to the degree of being pilotable; as well as very few attempts made to systematically counter it while still having a team viable for the general metagame

        you used to see TSS a lot more than you do now, but that's only because more people play gen3ou now and many of them realize it's not that interesting to play, or that great to justify not using anything else

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    this recent praise for gen 3's competitive scene is just hoenngays waving their dicks around for as long as they can before they age out of the community and younger fans reach a consensus where their games ain't shit
    it's similar to what johtogays have been doing for the last few years. johtoddlers circlejerked over "MUH SOUL" because they couldn't see past their rose-tinted glasses, while hoennbabs are circlejerking over "MUH COMP" and "MUH BATTLE FRONTIER" because they want to feel smarter than everyone else. like they're experts who know what pokemon SHOULD be.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hoenngays are smarter than everyone else and are experts who know what Pokemon should be though. I’d much rather listen to a Hoenngay than a Unovagay who thinks clapping at characters they recognize is more valuable gameplay than the BF.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        discord post

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Hoenngays are smarter than everyone else
        Got to use that education for something even if they dropped out of college lmao

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hoennchad:
        >even though this STAB is calculated off the lower stat, I can still take advantage of the damage boost and type matchups to deal with specific Pokemon I wouldn’t be able to beat otherwise. I better invest my EVs in a certain way between both offensive stats so I can get the best value out of both

        Sinnoh/Unovagay:
        >HURFFFF I CANT USE MOVE IF I CANT MIN/MAX IT WITH A SINGLE STAT GENGAR AND GYARADOS AND TYRANITAR AND SALAMENCE ARE USELESS EVEN THOUGH THEY’RE LITERALLY THE BEST POKEMON IN THE GAME THE SPLIT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE IT MEANS KINGLER AND HITMONCHAN WILL BE GOOD (please ignore that they’re still complete shitmons)

        yeaaaah I’m starting to think hoennchads actually are smarter than everyone else.

        >because they want to feel smarter than everyone else
        They are smarter than everyone else though.

        Why did you reply three times?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          yawngay likes to hop on his phone and pretend to be a different person so the IPcounter goes up

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Hoenngays are smarter than everyone else and are experts who know what Pokemon should be though. I’d much rather listen to a Hoenngay than a Unovagay who thinks clapping at characters they recognize is more valuable gameplay than the BF.
        uber based and redpilled

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hoennchad:
      >even though this STAB is calculated off the lower stat, I can still take advantage of the damage boost and type matchups to deal with specific Pokemon I wouldn’t be able to beat otherwise. I better invest my EVs in a certain way between both offensive stats so I can get the best value out of both

      Sinnoh/Unovagay:
      >HURFFFF I CANT USE MOVE IF I CANT MIN/MAX IT WITH A SINGLE STAT GENGAR AND GYARADOS AND TYRANITAR AND SALAMENCE ARE USELESS EVEN THOUGH THEY’RE LITERALLY THE BEST POKEMON IN THE GAME THE SPLIT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE IT MEANS KINGLER AND HITMONCHAN WILL BE GOOD (please ignore that they’re still complete shitmons)

      yeaaaah I’m starting to think hoennchads actually are smarter than everyone else.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >even though this STAB is calculated off the lower stat, I can still take advantage of the damage boost and type matchups to deal with specific Pokemon I wouldn’t be able to beat otherwise.
        Is that why Shadow Ball on Gengar has such low usage to where it's not even listed individually as one of Gengar's most common moves?
        https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/rse/gengar

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          woah a pikalytics page magically stops me from using Shadow Ball on Gengar?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Deliberately disingenuous reddit take

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Oh…so I can use Shadow Ball on Gengar then? You still haven’t pointed out the issue.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Post elo

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Oh…so I can use Shadow Ball on Gengar then?
                Yep, just like the majority and I can prefer the split and the metagames where it's present.
                >You still haven’t pointed out the issue.
                Prove how the split is the root of the "problem" and not powercreep as a result of expanding the available roster, new mechanics, and items.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                > Yep, just like the majority and I can prefer the split
                The majority of people are stupid campaignshitters who don’t understand how the mechanics of the game work. I don’t care what you think if you can’t make actual arguments.

                >explain how every pokemon becoming stronger is the root problem of power creep
                Do you know what power creep is?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >how every pokemon becoming stronger
                But anti-splitgays argue that nothing got stronger.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                No. They (correctly) argue shitmons like Sneasel and Kingler didn’t get stronger. The Pokemon that DID get stronger are the Pokemon that were already obscenely good like Salamence.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Salamence and what else?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Rachi, Metagross, Gyara, Ttar, Gengar, Breloom to list a few.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The majority of people are stupid campaignshitters who don’t understand how the mechanics of the game work. I don’t care what you think if you can’t make actual arguments.
                Where's the argument for the split being the direct cause of the "problem" with later gens?
                The majority of examples given as to why metagames post-split are "inferior" aren't inherently due to the split.
                >Do you know what power creep is?
                I'll just paste the rest of the statement since evidently you didn't read it; I'll attach a picture of it too just in-case.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Listen, the obvious issue is that you can use it, but have no reason to. A shadow Ball from gengar would not hit anything hard enough to matter. This means Gengar's typing is best for defense. While I don't think that's inherently a problem, it does cause obvious cognitive dissonance when a Pokémon cannot leverage its own type for both offense and defensive purposes. Against anything except a Ghost or Psychic mon, Thunderbolt or Ice Punch is just a better play. It's the same thing with Gyarados only having Hidden Power as a Flying move in Gen 3. I like Gen 3 a lot, but these aspects of the game are extremely unintuitive. I wouldn't fault anyone who preferred Gen 4 instead, solely for the fact that just about every mon has a good reason to use its STAB

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                > 0 Atk Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Dusclops: 98-116 (34.5 - 40.8%) -- 61.7% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
                > 0 SpA Gengar Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 200+ SpD Dusclops: 54-64 (19 - 22.5%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
                Hmmm that sure looks like a reason to run it to me

                >B-BUT IT’S UNINTUITIVE
                yeah maybe if you’re a campaignshitter who doesn’t care about understanding how the game works

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                shadow ball being physical and dragon claw being special is unintuitive

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                According to who? moronic zoomers who had BW as their first game?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                shadow ball being physical and dragon claw being special is unintuitive

                "intuitive" in this conversation means "i grew up with this system and that's what i'm used to"
                pre-split is easier to memorize, post-split is easier to figure out on the fly but neither is free of bullshit that doesn't make any sense

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                intuitive means take a Pokemon nescient, ask them what they think something does, with little to no background information provided, and they'd manage to guess correctly

                I guarantee you the average person, if not every single one, would assume dragon claw is a physical move, if you didn't tell them about the type system
                they'd guaranteed say it's a contact move

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >an average person who doesn’t know even know the context of what “physical” and “special” mean wouldn’t know which one it is!!
                why should I care exactly

                > they'd guaranteed say it's a contact move
                It IS a contact move in gen 3 you dumbfrick.

                you morons keep conflating “special” with “doesn’t make contact” when that’s literally not what special means.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                calling me a dumbfrick when you thought I was saying it wasn't, thus showing you missed the point on top of that

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            How come nobody other than (You) is using Shadow Ball on Gengar?
            ? post elo

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Banded Shadow Ball on gen 3 Gengar is not unheard of, and I've played against it

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >because they want to feel smarter than everyone else
      They are smarter than everyone else though.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Baby's first tile puzzle so I can proceed to fight Golbat and Mightyena for the umpteenth time
        Yep, the definitive Pokemon experience.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          at least there actually is a puzzle and mazelike dungeons

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think the gen 3 games are pretty decent but certainly not peak for the series, meanwhile the comp meta game appeals to a lot of people annoyed at the current trend of metagames being focused around interactions of hard walling and big dumb STAB moves with occasional galvanizing gimmicks. It instead makes you play the long game, even on the most offensive teams. Lack of reliable recovery makes most defensive teams hard to break, but can be worn down over time and it's incredibly satisfying and viable to do so. I could go on for hours about how great the metagame is but I do think you're right that late millennial content creators pushed the game back into the limelight.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seriously, for the last decade or so it was pretty much consensus that gen 4 had the best comp.
      This bizarre shill campaign for gen 3 is so transparently forced. Nobody was saying any of this until like a year ago. ADV was just the funny Tyranitar meta.
      Where is this coming from? Did some e-celeb put up a video about Gen 3 OU or something?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Did some e-celeb put up a video about Gen 3 OU or something?
        Basically yeah, but most of his channel is just shilling gen 3 ou.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >for the last decade or so it was pretty much consensus that gen 4 had the best comp.
        Got any evidence for that frickboy?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        they unbanned Latias and you have no recourse against Heatran, Jirachi, and company because they banned Arena Trap, and they also banned Baton Pass because no fun allowed

        People realized Smogonized gen4ou is not fun and is just an ubers-lite metagame with little in the way of creativity possible. Thus its playcount and reputation has cratered. Now *it* is just the "funny Jirachi meta" in most peoples' eyes.

        I loved Platinum and Battle Revolution, and used to think 4 was my favorite gen, but I'm not playing this shit.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Hmm interesting, I didn't realize things changed so much.
          I really wish Smogon would just leave their old metas alone.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >this recent praise for gen 3's competitive scene is just hoenngays waving their dicks around for as long as they can before they age out of the community
      and?
      I'm moving on with my life but I'll have the pleasure of being able to say my favorite gen (yes my childhood gen) has the best competitive metagame of all time and nobody will be able to argue otherwise at this point; I can show them all these zoomers who love it despite some not even being born yet or otherwise have played it when current, too
      nobody really cares about your favorite gen's competitive scene and you'll have to hold that while hoennchads laugh at you
      this explosion of hype, popularity, and participation will be remembered (positively) for years to come; there will be no sobering and no hangover
      it will continue to be regarded the best long after we've ceased playing it

      cope and seethe

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        case in point

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    all the metagames suck, if you arnt playing with friends youre playing it wrong.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm amazed this thread made it to over 75 posts without a single mention of Sneasel, good job guys we're starting to show some restraint

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    gen 3 is boring. theres very little chip damage, little momentum, little long term planning because no team preview, and the move power was so low that you dont build teams around wincons unless they are some type of calm mind sweeper. i couldnt believe how boring this generation was when i started playing it. theres not many ways to actualize the benefits of momentum unless you play a spike stack team, and even then you cant use mentum moves to preserve your initiative. theres almost no immediate power outside of explosion which makes pulling the trigger on said initiative feel like a wet noodle slap or a massive trade off.
    this leads to a grindy back and forth game where you will constantly lose your momentum (so will the opponent) and gain relatively little for it. everything has leftovers and shitty coverage so double switching only reduces your progress in the game. its completely unsatisfying.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      you should try using knock off pokes like hariyama or even stuff like theif skarm. Removing leftovers from half the enemy team is really huge for making spikeless offense stick.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >muh mentum
      use Baton Pass :^)

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >gen 3 is boring. theres very little chip damage, little momentum, little long term planning because no team preview, and the move power was so low that you dont build teams around wincons unless they are some type of calm mind sweeper. i couldnt believe how boring this generation was when i started playing it. theres not many ways to actualize the benefits of momentum unless you play a spike stack team, and even then you cant use mentum moves to preserve your initiative. theres almost no immediate power outside of explosion which makes pulling the trigger on said initiative feel like a wet noodle slap or a massive trade off.
      this leads to a grindy back and forth game where you will constantly lose your momentum (so will the opponent) and gain relatively little for it. everything has leftovers and shitty coverage so double switching only reduces your progress in the game. its completely unsatisfying.
      skill issue; skill ceiling is sky high
      you haven't played it enough
      most of these issues disappear at the top level

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    does dugtrio in gen 1, with its broken crit mechanics, have a 100% chance to crit with slash?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Any pokemon with a base speed of 65 of better got 100% crit on "high crit" moves

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        so yes on dugtrio

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’m a certified hoenngay and I think anyone that thinks the physical/special split was bad is a troony homosexual and should kill themselves immediately

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 3 has been a fun reprieve from playing the current Gen 9, nearly every Pokémon I liked this game ended up getting fricking banned while shit like Cheesestring remained as Smoggies Toxapex's stop-gap

    Its nice to be able to see an opponent who has a dragon dance up and being able to actually check or counter it rather than being fricking swept because the opponent just so happened to have a Tera-Type which kills your counter.

    Plus its the only meta where every Regi is viable, give it some respect for that.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Gen 3 has been a fun reprieve from playing the current Gen 9, nearly every Pokémon I liked this game ended up getting fricking banned
      I'm a gen 3 main, tried out gen 9 around the summer
      I can't even use my very first team I made for the tier now because they banned something in it

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah bro sandstorm being up 24/7 is such great fun haha

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      run a rain team; it's viable

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hate phys/spec split because I'm moronic and can't remember which types are special and which types are physical

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      you must be moronic because the split is the solution to the problem you’re having

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        SORRY IM A BIMBO I MEANT I HATE THE OLD PRE SPLIT SYSTEMMMM @_@

        My first game I ever played was Sapphire but I was not smart I just clicked whatever was super effective I never really played any kind of competitive pokemon until ORAS haha so I'm like super used to how it is after the split

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Idc if ur larping. The way you write makes me stiff. Keep it up bimbo anon.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          just make a chart of which types use which stat and keep it in front of you when you play

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ooohhh that's like SUCH a good idea omg I would have never thought of that! I'd always like, type the commands to search stuff on showdown and my opponents would make fun of me for it! It was so embarrassing!

            Idc if ur larping. The way you write makes me stiff. Keep it up bimbo anon.

            Hehe, like, iunno what uh, like larrrping is or whatever, I'm just really dumb :3

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      SORRY IM A BIMBO I MEANT I HATE THE OLD PRE SPLIT SYSTEMMMM @_@

      My first game I ever played was Sapphire but I was not smart I just clicked whatever was super effective I never really played any kind of competitive pokemon until ORAS haha so I'm like super used to how it is after the split

      Ooohhh that's like SUCH a good idea omg I would have never thought of that! I'd always like, type the commands to search stuff on showdown and my opponents would make fun of me for it! It was so embarrassing!

      [...]
      Hehe, like, iunno what uh, like larrrping is or whatever, I'm just really dumb :3

      cease

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Aww, whhhyyyy? What's the matter nonny? I'm just, like, not even thaat good at pokemon, there's just sooooo much stuff to remember! That's why I quit playing when smogon banned pheromosa cus I just loved clicking high jump kick hahaha LOL x3 I never really had to try too hard to win! I'd be like, soooo bad at gen 3 ou I think cus, like, ya know where's the mega evolutions? I just wanna spam hyper voice with a shiny mega gardevoir ya knowww?

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    MY THREAD HAS 120+ REPLIES, I AM THE BEST THREADMAKER EVER!!!

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >will ADV / gen3ou ever be topped as a metagame?
    All it takes is enforcing bans present in later gens but not here for the luster to be lost. Gen3OU is most popular precisely because it has less Smogon tiering policy in it than later other modern gens.
    It would not be difficult for them to go about sabotaging it and making it worse than gen4ou so that masses switch to that instead.

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