Will they EVER make a vault that looks like what vaults were supposed to be?

Will they EVER make a vault that looks like what vaults were supposed to be?

>supposed to house dozens if not hundreds of people
>go into vaults
>only 10 people tops with minimum bedrooms and not even enough rooms for all these people to work or sleep in

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    can you name one Bethesda city that had more than ten houses?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Whiterun. It had 11.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are one of those types of autists that thinks that in game populations represent in-lore population numbers?
        I used to think that more is better, but frankly that just tends to get annoying and I'm much more inclined to have less npcs around, and a bit less areas to walk around in if that means that other parts are well made. So no Megaton style stupid settlements, add farms and shit and explain how people survive. I can suspend my disbelief on the population numbers.

        Because navigating Whiterun as if it as an actual city inhabited by thousands of people would not be actually fun.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Because navigating Whiterun as if it as an actual city inhabited by thousands of people would not be actually fun.
          Or, to add, might as well then make an Elder Scrolls game (or any other fantasy game) that is set in one city and maybe with few outskirts here and there, but increase the size of it to make it seem more ''real''. But then people will complain about the lack of variety in terms of environments. It's bad enough as is when we have settings and maps where you can just go from one climate zone to the next over a short period of time.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Or, to add, might as well then make an Elder Scrolls game (or any other fantasy game) that is set in one city and maybe with few outskirts here and there
            Dragon Age 2 tried that. Didn't go well.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think Dragon Age 2 had other problems.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You are one of those types of autists that thinks that in game populations represent in-lore population numbers?
          this is incredibly autistic in itself anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I guess, but I remember threads where people would use npcs numbers and races for Skyrim to say that as if it's accurate representation of in-lore Skyrim. So those kinds of autists exist here.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Because navigating Whiterun as if it as an actual city inhabited by thousands of people would not be actually fun
          maybe make it interesting to navigate like a you would a dungeon... oh right, it's bethesda we are talking about

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >what's your solution
            >hurr durr just make it interesting and a dungeon durr

            Idea guy energy

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the cities are boring
              >maybe give them more interesting than just random houses environments (like they tried with markarth)
              >nuh huh
              you talk and behave like a woman

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *more interesting layouts

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Explain how.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >maybe do *non descript babble*
                Yeah good advice anon, can't wait for your mod

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The better solution I would say is to do it in Dragon Age or Witcher 1 way (I think, it's been a while since I played them) where you can explore just bits of the city but skybox and such is the rest of the city to give the illusion of size around you while also not overwhelming you.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This, in Skies of Arcadia they had buildings in the distance so you at least thought it was bigger. That game still felt like a pretty small world.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Because navigating Whiterun as if it as an actual city inhabited by thousands of people would not be actually fun.

          It'd be nice if they could make a city as habited as fucking Novigrad.
          >NOOOO BUT I MUST BE ABLE TO ENTER EVERY BUILDING
          This shit is the cancer. This shit right here. I would rather big, interesting cities that can have hidden areas throughout to reward exploration over YOU CAN GO INTO ALL TEN HOUSES TO STEAL SOME LINEN!
          I'd be more excited seeing the occasional open window to slip inside. Because I'll know there's something of interest within.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > I prefer wide as an ocean deep as a puddle.
            You are why we can't have nice things.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The ocean is prettier than the fucking puddle as deep as a puddle.
              You and I are literally asking for the same amount of depth. You just want all the explorable houses right next to each other, I want them spread out.

              You're the kind of guy dumb enough to drown in three inches of water.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes I prefer a more focused game than you. I don't know why you are mad other people don't like the same things you do. Will it help you if I tell you you have changed my mind with your impassioned argument? I want us all to have fun and enjoy the day so if it helps you then you have won this round. Cheer up grumpy anon .

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hmm, a far cry from me being why we can't have nice things. Now I'm the one upset people would rather have exploration than everything handed to him on a plate.

                May I suggest you eat a bag full of shit instead of trying to insult someone and then cucking the fuck out when insulted back?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                okay Juan

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Need a hug cranky anon?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then the npcs wouldn't sleep

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's another option too, not being able to enter most buildings. But I feel like this is still more overwhelming compared to

            The better solution I would say is to do it in Dragon Age or Witcher 1 way (I think, it's been a while since I played them) where you can explore just bits of the city but skybox and such is the rest of the city to give the illusion of size around you while also not overwhelming you.

            this. But I guess it then just depends on what you want more. More areas to walk around and oogle at, or more closed in locations that give you things to do there and send you to another location.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >NOOOO BUT I MUST BE ABLE TO ENTER EVERY BUILDING
            They seem to be relenting on that, Fallout 4 had a lot of buildings you couldn't get in

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The imperial city?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      balmora had 18

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Any city in daggerfall.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Diamond City

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even the Fallout 1 and 2 vaults are tiny

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's very few actual vaults in Fallout 1 & 2 and they all mostly use the same layout, they're not tiny but not huge, they all have the same 3 floor design. It's only Bethesda games that decide vaults are all these weird and wacky themepark like designs with weird unique gimmicks and layouts.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's only Bethesda games that decide vaults are all these weird and wacky themepark like designs
          lol name 1 vault

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            112

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nearly every single vault in Fallout 3 and 4 has some kind of social experiment gimmick

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              112

              Wrong answer. The correct answer is 108.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Buzzwords the post.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Every Vault in Fallout 1 & 2
            >Vault 8, 12, 13, 15
            Each one is just a vault with the same layout.
            Some of the Vaults in Bethesda Fallout games
            >Vault 87, lets turn everyone into super mutants so we can have an excuse for having them in our game!
            >Vault 101 this vault is supposed to stay closed, FOREVER!
            >Vault 108 this vault is fault of angry CLONES of one guy! he overthrew the vault! WITH HIS CLONES!
            >Vault 112 1950's deep simulation! isnt this great! you can have the Chinese red army kill everyone in the Matrix!
            >Vault 111 we heckin froze everybody! cryogenics!
            >Vault 118 its a luxury vault full of old 1950s style rich people, isnt that wacky, and everybody is a robobrain now
            and they're all fucking like this, you stupid moron, if you had actually played the games you could see this

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Boston and Washington DC.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      solitude has a shitton of buildings and is genuinely impressive even today
      I'm not sure if it 10+ has houses though but has at least 50 inhabitants I think

      The strip was shit.

      it really was not, seethe

      >The city in Starfield looked more populated than usual
      it was. this one landing area in the city has like 30 something npcs

      literally cant wait

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was. Freesias and Westside were better than the shitty strip

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >solitude has a shitton of buildings and is genuinely impressive
        Are you for real?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, you dont feel the same way? the arches and how the palace towers over the city feels kino as fuck

          It was. Freesias and Westside were better than the shitty strip

          I disagree, freeside was kino of course but Strip was well executed and was not a let down, westside was OK too buy felt unfinished

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Argonians could be there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fallout 76

      https://i.imgur.com/Kl8T6UO.png

      Will they EVER make a vault that looks like what vaults were supposed to be?

      >supposed to house dozens if not hundreds of people
      >go into vaults
      >only 10 people tops with minimum bedrooms and not even enough rooms for all these people to work or sleep in

      fallout 76

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The city in Starfield looked more populated than usual

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The city in Starfield looked more populated than usual
      it was. this one landing area in the city has like 30 something npcs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm afraid they'll be static without schedules or anything to do

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Im gonna disagree there anon bethesda is pretty good at making npcs do stuff besides stand around

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, the NPCs standing around drunkenly hammering on the same panels over and over in Sanctuaryis top tier stuff.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's manageable because the towns are small. all Starfield cities seems to be bigger than anything before

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm afraid they'll be static without schedules or anything to do

        yeah this looks like a bioware game where the NPCs just stand around in the same place nodding at one another
        which isn't bad mind you but it's different from Bethesda's approach

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This game is going to be so hollow. Guarantee all the city will be in the background.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In Fallout 1 and 2, the vaults are actually larger than they're portrayed, but you can't really do that in a 3D game where you're supposed to be able to go everywhere.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you don't understand how much time, effort, resources, blood, shit, cum, shit cum, cow tools, professional therapy, and LOVE it takes to reassure Todd Howard that he isn't a manlet. Considering how much all that is, there is no time left for game development, hence smaller vaults.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe itll be possible if the next fallout will actually be optimised to take full advantage of modern CPUs, but knowing bethesda and tbh all modern games, it wont.

    Otherwise you go the cyberpunk route and have dozens of NPCs on screen at a time that are totally braindead and pop in and out as you move the camera

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Will they EVER make a vault that looks like what vaults were supposed to be?
    No.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gunner armor
    Gross

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    these are the same people that will complain the DC metro tunnels, which came much closer to approximating the actual scale of what they were portraying than anything else in the game, were bad game design
    do not respond to new vegas storymode zealots, they never had any idea what a good game was, and they never will

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's wrong with new vegas vs any other 3d fallout exactly?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like NV way more than F3 or F4 and yet I can defend them over this. It's a different matter, it affects more than just Fallout or Elder Scrolls games.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the metros weren't fun or immersive and all of them looked the same. they were the fo3 equivalent of oblivion's shitty caves or the draugr dungeons in skyrim. nobody likes them as they are
      on the other side - there is absolutely something to gain from immersive cities and populations. you don't NEED it but it helps with believability and makes the world feel more living which is good for rpgs.
      you're comparing apples to oranges.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Skyrim would have benefitted from having more villages and farmsteads. You know, if you do premodern fantasy it makes sense to show peasants doing their thing, because most of society was agrarian.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There was nothing wrong with the Metro

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What is this?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nifscope of Marcus, robobrain's brain and enclave power armor

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All the armor is so gay in this game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I never even see most of the armor posted in these threads in-game.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    to house dozens if not hundreds of people
    IIRC, it's thousands in the lore. They were basically underground cities.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      every vault had different amounts
      there was a vault with 99 women and a man and a vault with 99 men and a woman

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >vault with 99 men and a woman
        Imagine the daily gang bang

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No it's 999 women and 1 men. And 999 men and 1 women. (vault 69 and 68)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that sounds even worse
          what were they thinking

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >1 men
          >1 women

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just let the esl babble in the corner.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    downscaling worlds is a necessary evil

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The strip on New Vegas is the best Bethesda city ever done and they didn't even make it, kinda pathetic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bethetic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The strip was shit.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    While I agree the population in the vaults being just a few families is very disappointing it would be far more important to make the vaults look less bland.
    They could add a hundred more rooms but if they didn't make the vault look like a believable self sustainable bunker with it's own comfy little society it would still be bad. Technical limitations and lazyness always made them focus too much on the gimmicks and not on the fact each vault is supossed to work on it's own way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Exploring a vault at 10x scale is not something anyone really needs outside of the novelty of seeing it being done.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Exploring a vault at 10x scale is not something anyone really needs

        Its okay Todd, we know you couldnt do it anyway.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Go play Daggerfall if you want aimless wondering.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You are functionally retarded if you think Bethesda lacks the ability to crank out enough content to make a Vault that's 10x larger than the present one. It's basically what Sundercliff Watch was, and it wouldn't be hard to expand Vault 114 into that by unlocking half the doors.
          If anything, restraint has given them the ability to actually focus on making more varied and interesting dungeons. Converga Assembly Plant and Mahkra Fishpacking might use the same tileset, but the designs differ significantly.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          play Fallout 4 and install the Vault Tec DLC and make a vault you nerd

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't have the imagination for such things, nor the material

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              player.additem 001bf72e 1000

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's cheating.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                chop down a million fucking trees then, your life is yours to live

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Now that's more like it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            guarantee this guys game chugs like a motherfucker when he's here.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fallout 4 and 76 are complete downgrades in almost every aspect, but the building mechanism top fucking comfy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >build your own fun
            no, make fun for me

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I might after the big FO4 update this year

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They could make an entire game in a single vault. Or maybe it could be an expansion or mid. These days I find modders make better stuff than the soulless corporations.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Moddershall are hardly any better these days. Like a 90% entitled princess rate.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Modders rarely deliver though. When they do it rangesfrom awful ( frontier) to ambitious but buggy ( Sim Settlements2)
          Leave the real work to professionals bub.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tfw no fallout shelter but instead of a mobile game it's a full fledged fallout game with management mechanics

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I need this. Maybe with some short expeditions out of the vault too to search for shit like supplies or replacement parts. Then some Super Mutants or ghouls follow you back and the whole vault has to defend itself.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Supposed to be
    >Game reinforces that there are hundreds of vaults pretty much made to house experiments, not continue life
    >Experiments that were best left to residences of under a hundred in almost all cases
    Most vaults had a ton of space. Did you even play the games?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should just make it so the cities are big and interesting too.
    Cant believe they haven't thought of it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How big and how interesting and how much are you willing to have cut out from other areas and how much dev time and money are you willing to give them?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They should just make it big and interesting.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > one house = one content

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's not that easy. It's like you can have a bigger city with more stuff to do there but let's say that means that surrounding areas will be smaller, basically imagine if New Vegas had a bigger Vegas portion and smaller outskirts. Would it be worth it? For me personally no, but I guess if you wanted more urban areas than rural ones then it would be better.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    3 always felt bigger than it actually was in the city areas, I guess the subways helped with that. A feeling that areas where impossible to traverse between on foot and the underground routes give that impression of distance.

    I wouldn't at all mind if the vaults that have undergone some decay have implied more expansive areas that are just blocked off with debris or whatever. An illusion of depth is preferable to nothing at all.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When you actually look at the city areas too its rather small, but it helps that one part of it is a ring so it's like you're going around the city. DC is helped greatly by the subways

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They give you the means to make a 100 person vault in the dlc don't they?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would not be good game design to have a billion rooms that offer no function to the game experience.
    And when it comes to the way Bethesda and their way of constructing game worlds, it's doesn't make sense to have a bunch of no named NPCs unless they're enemies or city guards.
    Bethesda doesn't make Witcher like experiences where you have a city full off no named faces that can pop out of existence as soon as they go around a wall.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's doesn't make sense to have a bunch of no named NPCs unless they're enemies or city guards.
      Bethesda cities are full of random ass NPCs literally named Wastelander, Settler, Scribe, etc. Novigrad has 83 NPCs that can be interacted with (vendors, quest givers, gwent players, etc). Diamond City has 27.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What about Boston? How many NPCs can you interact with in that city?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fewer than Velen. If we are going to arbitrarily count multiple areas as one big city then go ahead . The difference of course is that Bethesda games have an extremely clear, black and white boundary as every single mini area has a loading screen blocking you from the outer region, whereas in The Witcher 3 you can walk from Triss' house in Novigrad to the Crone's Hut in Crookback Bog without any loading screens.So yeah, the entirety of Velen > any Bethesda sub-area. GG

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think classifying an actual city that exists as a city is arbitrary. Perhaps look up what words mean before you use them .

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >bethesda has to separate boston into a hundred sub-areas divided by loading screens
              >still has fewer interactable NPCs and quests than cdpr's one major city that takes up 10% of one region that has zero loading screens separating anything
              not even the guy you're replying to but you aren't really doing a good job defending bethesda here, if the argument is that bethesda needs to downsize the scale of their cities to accommodate having "actual npcs" how did cdpr manage to fit more of them (and more content overall) in one of their regions without even resorting to radiant quests?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I just thought it odd anon did not consider a city that actually exists a city for reasons.
                I think the numbers are off on purpose. Between Diamond City, Goodneighbor, and random anons like the guy that sells you a credit card and calls you a retard the number clearly tops the 87 anon quoted from his yardstick.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fallout 4 armor is so bad it retroactively makes fallout 3 armor look good

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I love Fallout 3 and NV raider armor.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I really liked the raider stuff from the pitt dlc. a lot of it had pretty decent resistance too

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i like the pa in 4 compared to 3/nv
      otherwise yea

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >rusty bits of metal sticking out of your chest into your face

      What the fuck where they thinking

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have just started another play through of fallout 4 and I just noticed that the only character they tried to flesh out was Kellog during the brain sequence, and while it wasnt perfect it wasnt a bad attempt to bring depth to a character. The sad thing is it shows Betheada can do it when they want they are just fucking lazy.

    And still after all these years it pissess me off how the institute doesnt go to the glowing sea to kill virgil even though they have fucking synths.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they are just fucking lazy.
      dev time cost money Anon, and Zenimax doesn't care as long as you buy their product

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Standard Vault compliment was 5000 people. I assume that's 2500 male and 2500 femboy.

    Not even Fallout 1 or 2 could convey that.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most, if not all the New Vegas vaults were large and expansive.
    >Vault 22
    >Vault 34
    Numerous levels

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will bethesda ever make a meaningfull armor system that isnt%damage reduction or flar numbers iwth a retarded overcomplicated defense formula that at the end is better some magic effect gimmick the best defense?

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I want to run around in a Vault that has literally hundreds of empty pointless rooms and hundreds of pointless NPCs sitting in them

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder Vault 101 canonically had the capacity for 1000 people, the numbers just dwindled since 2277 and we never see all those empty rooms

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    get a load of this guy he wants scale in his rpg.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mom said its my turn to play the xbox

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