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pedophile suggestions about the traumas of abducted children from changeling in the world of darkness
when I think about it all the changeling is terrible, no wonder almost nobody plays it
WoD, Old and Nu, is a rollercoaster of good and bad writing. Even NuWadofDarkness has some material that could be salvageable, if it weren't so burried under, uh well, Nu WoD.
There’s very nearly 6 or 7 pages worth of damn good writing in Beast: The Primordial, and the fact that there’s any haunts me to this day
I'm curious about this and not very familiar with WoD. Elaborate?
Simply put: if you play WoD changeling your character is a child kidnapped by Fae and forced into slave activities, one of the game mechanics force you even to choose the trauma associated with kidnapped by powerful aliens and taken away from home. In a word, the perfect game for the victims of the white van
So the pedophilia allegation is just from playing kidnapped children? Kinda sounds more like a problem with the reader, if it even is a problem. Not my cup of tea, i don't really like roleplay heavy trpgs, but i can see why some might find it an interesting experience.
Yeah I don't really know why he went after Changeling for muh pedo undertones when fricking Beast exists. Beast is literally about playing a rapist and child predator who violates people "for their own good". It's also written by an actual child abuser so it's an interesting if disturbing look into the mindset of those sick fricks.
>kidnapping children
>forcing them to perform slavish activities that cause trauma and self-mutilation
>pursuing them and forcing them to serve their kidnappers again
>fae illustrated as old people touching crying children
>lorebook with drawings of underage girls with wavy objects as suggested by the creators of npc
>i'm not very familiar with WoD but kinda sounds more like a problem with the reader
let me guess you're catholic right?
Are you aware that the fae are the bad guys?
yes, but who the frick want to play as a molested child?
Playing Devils advocate:
Its a shit game with shit themes, but I don't think I've ever seen it played where the changelings in ctl were children. They're always 20 somethings or 30 somethings, who were kidnapped in adulthood. A decade or so ago I knew a bunch of people who wanted to play it and I got roped into it a bunch of times because that was what friends wanted to play.
Its a game about playing trauma victims, yes, but those trauma victims don't have to be kids, and I've never encountered anyone playing it with child characters.
perhaps you're not familiar with the demographic that WoD caters to.
"runaway abused child, but with a supernatural bent, a hint of Otherkin, and some mild allusion to jacques vallee's alien/fae abduction comparative research" that's sufficiently emo-edgy grimdark, special snowflake, and real world creepy to be right up their alley.
>wavy objects
OMG NOT THE WAVY OBJECTS !11
Yeah, the pedophile game was Beast The Primordial anyway. The entire thing bangs on about how humans need monsters to scare them/murder them onto the right path, and you play as the things that go bump in the night. It never really explains what the lesson in drowning random teenagers in a lake is actually supposed to be, but it sure is something.
Every single piece of flavor text is about gay people murdering/torturing humans, also usually gay, to harvest some kind of fear energy out of them. It is reaffirmed throughout that this isn't just necessary, but actually good. It adds to this by generating evil false heroes who try to stop you. Not even joking, the act of Beast's existing, feeding, all that, turns regular bystanders into evil jock dude-bros with totally singleminded sociopathic desires to hunt you down. They are depicted as entirely evil, no exceptions, and the book actually says if they weren't evil, they'd be able to resist the desire to hunt you.
So this is all just pathetic enough at face value, the ultimate power-victim concept where everyone else just can't understand why it's important that you have to hurt them, and it's good that you hurt them, and anyone who tries to stop you is inherently evil. There were some pre-release rewrites and damage control, but it otherwise released exactly like this. Then one of the lead writers was convicted of rape.
Beast the Diddling truly was a glass bottom boat look into the mind of a sexual predator.
It's fascinating that anyone defended it because of IDpol.
MacFarland was counting on that. If he said the right things and presented the right "justifications", some people would fall for it.
Is the original draft available anywhere? It sounds fascinating.
Probably in the /tg/ archives somewhere?
The final draft is pretty much the same as the original one for all intents and purposes anyways.
The thing that got me about Beast was that I had always assumed their thought process was to convince themselves that they're not hurting them. It's even worse to realize that they DO know they're hurting them, and instead justify it by saying they deserve it.
Wifebeater: the Justifying
Oh and for anyone that doesn't believe me: go read through the book, look at the list of heroes and notice that each and every last one of them is from a group of people who are most likely to catch abuse ongoing:
>Concerned Mother/Housewife
>Victim abuse advocate
>Psychiatrist
Ect.
Also: Karen Straughan is a villain in it.
No word of a lie, I swear, I am not making this up.
Don't forget Gamergate is a Hero(villain) and one of the Beasts is a cybervigilante who manipulates goobergators
That's who I'm talking about. Nullsynper.
Ah. I didn't realize she was based off of someone real rather than just a generic 1337 H4CK3R.
But why would a redpill MRM not be in favour of gay men being tortured to death for the good of humanity?
>Yeah, the pedophile game was Beast The Primordial anyway. The entire thing bangs on about how humans need monsters to scare them/murder them onto the right path, and you play as the things that go bump in the night. It never really explains what the lesson in drowning random teenagers in a lake is actually supposed to be, but it sure is something.
To play devil’s advocate the core book explicitly states at multiple points that the “lessons” are probably just justifications beasts come up with in order to be able to sleep at night, but it’s presented so poorly one can barely be expected to remember that
That was added in later. The preview pdf played it entirely straight.
>beast that does school shootings to teach children the important lesson that they are not bulletproof
>beast that molests children to teach them the lesson that there are people that molest children
>if someone tries to be a hero and stop the beast, they are the bad guy
>Hunter has Beast at gunpoint on a raining rooftop
>"You molested 23 children, blew up a post office, and planted land mines on a playground, and went on a rape spree in a battered women's shelter all for some sick 'lesson'. What do you have to say for yourself, monster?"
>"Experience is the best teacher :^)"
Do hunters even go after beasts? I thought it was only heroes that did since hunters realize how good and important beasts are and heroes are all mean bad guy jock housewife gamers.
Well that'd be moronic, considering that their Hunter Sight makes them paranoid of even mages and beasts are on average a hundred times worse. They're like vampires or werewolves with less moral ambiguity.
>They're like vampires or werewolves with less moral ambiguity.
I’d say equal moral ambiguity to Vampires
I’m pretty sure it mentions in Beast that hunters don’t normally go after Beasts that are just doing their job of torturing innocents.
It has been a few years since I looked through it though.
I do recall that the bad guys, heroes, actually being the victims created by suffering the beasts torments but generally lacking the ability to really threaten the beasts. So you end up with victims trying to lash out against their abuser and then getting vilified and hurt more for trying.
>Game is about predators harvesting some sort of essence from their victims, all while the people that are supposed to fight these monsters are entirely oblivious, leaving the targets to fend for themselves
>The monsters can't even comprehend that what they're doing is wrong
We're hitting SOCIETY levels unseen in the World of Darkness
I have to imagine a fair few hunters got their start as Heroes and just ran out of dream-juice after killing the only beasts in their area
Im pretty sure that according to the Beast book heroes can never be hunters and are always bad guys.
Magical sentient cum, from exalted 3e.
that molests children to teach them the lesson that there are people that molest children
There's a Beast that abuses schoolchildren and an entire sub splat based around a historical mass rape.
Here is the original Beast leak.
>MATT—FYI, IF, AS I’M PRETTY SURE I WILL, I END UP DEVELOPING GEIST 2E, I PLAN TO DITCH THE OLD SPLATS AND REDO THEM ALTOGETHER. SO I’M NOT SURE WHAT I WANT TO DO HERE. I DON’T WANT TO PREEMPTIVELY TEASE A NEW SET OF SPLATS THAT MIGHT CHANGE BEFORE GEIST 2E COMES OUT, BUT I DON’T WANT TO USE A 1E SPLAT THAT MIGHT BECOME OBSOLETE. SO FOR NOW GEIST GETS TWO GENERIC NIGHTMARES, BUT I GUESS YOU COULD MAKE THIS ONE A BONEPICKER NIGHTMARE IF YOU WANT
>Demon: You're a big guy...
It gets really funny when you put these side by side with the new stereotypes.
Also, despite being a crossover game, Beasts treat every other supernatural as a lesser being, most notorious werewolves and vampires.
more accurately, treats them as degenerated half-breed beasts.
honestly, they might not even be wrong. The Fae Gentry connection especially seems strong.
>Beasts and spirits have little direct interaction, but no discussion of a Werewolf crossover would be complete without addressing the denizens of the Shadow. Much as with other kinds of supernatural beings, Beasts see spirits—even the mighty Firstborn — as little siblings and cousins. Their true peers are the mighty and possibly long-vanished gods of the Shadow: Father Wolf, the Plague King and Spinner-Hag, and Luna herself.
zoomer post-ironic slang hilarious even in fiction.
It was written by gen xers and elder millennials.
Yeah, that school kitchen intro fiction was a humongous red flag.
>It was written by gen xers and elder millennials.
to mimic zoomers
Holy shit, I skimmed through it and it's even worse than I thought.
What the frick? This was an actual game? Who published it?
>doesn’t know about Beast: The Primordial
Oh you sweet summer child. I feel so goddamn bad for the normal folk on the writing team that broke their backs putting in effort and trying to make something good only for one atrociously bad apple with concerning amounts of authority to ruin it
Also, to answer your question, it’s a WhiteWolf game. Who else would put something like that out without a second thought?
I'm just surprised a game like that would be made today and, look i'm no saint. I like weird stuff. But who would run and play this? You're bound to find one serial killer in the group.
It gets even funnier when you know beasts just look like normal people and their special powers are all invisible outside their “lairs”. So you don’t breath fire or have monster claws or wings, you just mime it. Full otherkin.
Beast: the Primordial COULD work if you played up the horror element, focusing on you being an evil blight that is only lying to itself. Roleplaying doing stomach turning reprehensible things with a straight face with a completely sociopathic inability to realize that you are the villain that deserves to be punished for it an instead seeing yourself as a victim. It would be terrifying, horrific to play that in my mind but there would be a huge risk of people that don’t get it and take it at face value. The fact that the lead writer himself was the exact type of monster portrayed in the book certainly proves that.
But even if it was done for that purpose and reason, it wouldn’t really anything that isn’t already accomplished by Vampire.
Pic related are the two best legit ways to do Beast I've heard of.
I was actually thinking of leviathan the tempest too. I always felt it was basically “beast done right”.
>I always felt it was basically “beast done right”.
They’re radically different games tonally and in terms of character angst, but otherwise yeah. Pretty much all the good ideas in beast are done better in Leviathan
>here’s to you abrahams
>They’re radically different games tonally and in terms of character angst
Hence the done right, the tone and angst of Beast is just completely missing the mark.
thanks for the read, is Leviathan in the same tone as what those two anons write ?
>is Leviathan in the same tone as what those two anons write ?
Hmm, not really. It is a bit closer to the 1st one. As is mentioned, Leviathans are bad for the entire world. They are the resurgence of beings in equal part monster, god and man, and each aspect has its own urges to satisfy. Through stars aligning (or perhaps one might say "coming right") the ancient aspects resurface in one of the bloodline around the time of puberty in a way similar to that but it isn't an alien presence to contend with but rather an awakening of a new part of the person. But they are bronze age monsters that humanity has long since left behind (more accurately cast down) and has no place for. So while you're going through this bizarre puberty, discovering new abilities and urges and thoughts it is really all very, very old. Nothing new under the sun, the Leviathans as a whole have never accomplished anything of note since their height in the ancient days.
The thing with leviathans is that they don't generally do evil things to torture people on purpose but they have something like the opposite of the Promethean's disquiet called a "wake" that they can't turn off. Everyone around them just likes them more and it builds up over time until the effected break and become slavishly loyal to you as obsessed cultists. And it isn't mind control either because the "control" isn't there. You can try to direct your Wake at someone to overpower their will but actually directing them is troublesome as they go above and beyond in service to you. Ask a cultist to do something simple like "take out the trash" might be interpreted as "Kill my enemies". They're your responsibility because it is your fault.
And that scenario is the one if you're lucky. Leviathans have something called an Ahab, which is like a Hero in that they broke differently. Instead of love, they hate hate hate the Leviathan and drain power from it in a quest to kill it. And frankly, they're justified in doing so.
>You can try to direct your Wake at someone to overpower their will but actually directing them is troublesome as they go above and beyond in service to you. Ask a cultist to do something simple like "take out the trash" might be interpreted as "Kill my enemies". They're your responsibility because it is your fault.
I think i've read like 4 different manga where that's basically the main plot mover. Overlord immediately springs to mind.
No surprise, slavery isekai wish fulfillment is rather popular these days isn't it?
There are exceptions in Leviathan though, most notably the Atolls. They're humans that are completely immune to the passive and active psychic powers of the Leviathans. Due to this they are the only humans Leviathans can associate with as normal person and in fact Atolls often seem to have power over the Leviathans as the peace an Atoll can give a leviathan is potent but also rather addictive.
They're not always nice people either, just immune. Having a super-powerful god-monster that is desperate to be your friend is sometimes an opportunity for manipulation or worse.
I can't remember if it was beast or changeling: but wasn't Wasn't there an antagonist called "The maggot man" or something who basically abducted children and filled them with worms or maggots before he raped them?
That game was fricked up. WoD went to some truly strange places.
That’s not beast remarkably. I’m pretty sure it’s either changeling or werewolf
nah Old Man maggot is a Beast example. He stuffs black eggs in every orifice, including your belly button, then he waits. You will fill full, bloated, gassy, sick. You will go to the doctor, the foolish medicine-man will poke your swollen belly and then the eggs will Burst!
Maggots everywhere from anywhere! And you'll scream and cry because its scary!
And then the Old Man will come in from nowhere to harvest your fear and leave to do it to some other random shmuck
I’m not going to seek out the PDFs to check, but are you certain? I feel like that’s way beyond the power level of beasts from what I remember
This sounds like generic antagonistic fae shenanigans tbh.
how is this pedo? this is how the real world changeling mythology goes also, the fae steal human babies and replace them with fairy ones just to be little buttholes or as revenge
now when i think about this my changeling DM often talked strangely about his little cousin
Sounds thematic and in-tone you taboo-ridden homosexual.
The culture warriors label anything with children in it PEDO. It's easier then thinking.
yea changeling always had strong pedo suggestions
Seems like projection on your part
>WOD
>CTL
You don't play games
Speaking of, Pathfinder lore used to have a daemon harbinger of child abuse. No, seriously, his name was Folca.
>Areas of Concern: Abduction, strangers, sweets
>Domains: Charm, Evil, Travel, Trickery
>Subdomains: Daemon, Deception, EXPLORATION, LUST (emphasis mine)
>Symbol: Skeletal handful of sweets
Great minor god to use cults of as villains in low tier campaigns
it also has a goddess of monsterfricking, it's not exactly a secret that pathfinder is an ERPG in disguise.
>it also has a goddess of monsterfricking
and what is the name of this goddess, hmm?
Lamashtu. Who is frequently depicted as a very pregnant werejackal lady.
damn I hoped for a HMOFA goddess instead I got preggo fetish nurgle
i mean she also encourages men to frick monsters and animals to result in more monsters too. there's a special mask to even make sure it's magically fruitful regardless of compatibility.
Considering she's also the goddess of mutation they're never healthy, happy children.
>they're never healthy, happy children.
Healthy, probably not, but happy? Nothing stops Timmy the three-wienered, one-armed, and four tongued goat-dwarf from living a joyous life so long as he remains amongst those of the cult
truly /ourgirl/
Don’t forget the goddess of nature who’s PC worshippers get magic powers from beating off into shrubbery
In my understanding it seems that any incidents with the changelings and entering the dreaming would end up like a run in with this guy instead of a molestation
Which is both deadly and traumatic
wtf xDD
That's quite something for sure. Where can i read more about this fascinating setting?
The second OVA of Legend of the Overfiend. It's a copy-paste.
No idea where people pirate rpg stuff nowadays. Ask the share thread.
Yeah, I know. There was a certain public channel around here that would show Akira and LoO once a year, during late night Saturdays.
There were neat ideas, but the execution was as messy as Braindead's later half. And the design of their portable baby sacrifices, as well as the way they considered religions, was utterly moronic.
Reboot? Nani?
Shame Aeon Entelechy Evangelion wasn't finished.
Yeah, they tried to throw out a second edition staring with unfricking the rules. The first playtests only had Tagers and were.... considerably less shit than the baseline CTech edition 1. Still kinda dogshit and it simply died off.
Again, I have a soft spot for CTech. All the animu at once (Eva, blue skinned space babes, mecha against the Old Ones, biopunk secret warfare) but it's essentially unplayable. The production values were also good, the art was inspiring, likewise the designs. Well, maybe not the rape furries. Also, it's funny to think that the Usual Suspects were screeching at Ctech already in 2007 - I remember how amazed I was that some forums considered the game a warcrime, if only we knew how it would end up. If Ctech tried to release nowadays the authors would be hunted and burnt in public, poor fricks.t4rykd
>The production values were also good
They preview'd some really good miniatures of Tagers as well.
I thought the 2nd edition thing was still active as of a couple of months ago. Huh.
I wonder if it would be a dick move to just make my own CTech? Using a non-moronic system and keeping the street-level stuff only (Tagers, Parapsychics, Sorcerers, and Power Armor dudes vs. the Dhohanoids and Cultists)
Any other systems you can use to play CTech without massive amounts of homebrew? It did always sound fun, and like a game that self-gatekeeps by being deliberately retarted really.
GURPS has Cthulhupunk, it's for the last edition and is GURPS so you'll have to do lots of work if you're not already autistic about the system.
Yeah, the art was really good. All the mechs and powersuits were genuinely cool-looking as hell and made me want to play it.
I feel that. Theres not a whole lot of new ttrpg stuff coming out that I have any interest in these days.
>fascist automasturbator death chairs
It's just like WW2!
And just as fictitious.
Ctech was weird, man. Pity it aged like milk (the idea of Lovecraft lite and animu was less overdone at the time) and its mechanics were utter dogshit, but there was something interesting in all the mess they threw out.
The reboot is still dead, right?
>the idea of Lovecraft lite and animu was less overdone at the time
L M A O
Ctech is 2007. It wasn't THAT beaten to death then, and the Ctech devs at least took direct inspirations from a shitton of classics and not-so-classics. Sure, they had the rape furries and the rape camps and the mind rape and the rape chinese demon army, but some things weren't that bad.
>It wasn't THAT beaten to death then
R O F L
Yes, the Dickwolves would leave their number.
>reboot dead?
Probably. Tragers we’re my jam. Too bad the system is a cascade of moronic mechanics. Besides Ctech was BUILT to be grimderp + all of the animu. Don’t b***h, homie, that’s what you signed up for. But yeah, frick all that pokerdice bullshit.
They're trying to imitate some activity in their discord. Apparently some writing is going on but nah, it's going to be DOA if ever comes out.
kek, pretty sure this is straight out of one of the Urotsukidoji sequels.
Giga based. The art is cool, though, despite the rapeinator 4000 ultra deluxe (free shipping)
I wish Jack Chick had seen this sort of shit when he was drawing comics about the dangers of DnD in the 80's.
>2010's says hold my beer
Ever wondered what killed him, anon?
I bet it was wiener overdose.
God I'd love to ride that thing once.
>what is the worst written lore for any rpg you know
OP said worst.
>*slaaneshi heavy breathing noises*
wait for it, there was something even better
What's particularly irritating about this one is, I kind of get it.
kys
downbooted
On it, chief!
What I get is, they didn't really have a choice, being a company, but to get rid of it. The slavery and simian shit will get brought to their door if they ignore it, because of course it will, and it's hard to reason for the Hadozee lore today, because of course it is.
That's why it's irritating. Removing Hadozee lore was a [special] move, but not doing it would be biz suicide.
Jokes on them for being big biz in the end I guess. Or on us for having content actively stripped from our purchases or whatever.
What's even more [special] is that WotC could have just made all new Hadozee lore if they wanted, they've redesigned their appearance already, and it's not like Spelljammer had anything to do with 3rd edition.
>not doing it would be biz suicide.
Oh yeah because the monkey people would totally result in WoTC collapsing if they didnt remove them
Like most assinine social justice issues, if you just ignore it, it usually goes away. Because most of the people complaining don't buy shit in the first place. And even if they do, they're in the minority of the customerbase.
>I also think monkeys are an allegory for black people
...anon...wtf?
>t. Uses terms like "ghetto-ape"
The devil is in the details, I assume
do you call black people "ghetto-ape" anon
I call them moon crickets, actually
>devil is in the details
details such as actually racism of the people who see these parallels
I made a race of ape human people based on Super Saiyan 4's for my setting that are essentially Brazilians.
As a Brazilian monkey I'm flattered
Considering your kind are all a bunch of weeaboos, checks out.
no monkeys in our story because, because black people ok!
The monkey in the game is you.
Are you actually moronic?
It's the fact that they're both monkeys and a specific uprooted race thrusted directly into slavery.
They cut the slavery part.
>replying to a wojakspammer
C'mon now.
>we're removing monkey people because they're racist, heh I mean look at them they totally look like Black folk don't they?
Interestingly I'm ultra racist but I love monkeys and monkey-people. I have literally never seen an orc or a monkey-person and thought "this is an allusion to Black folk" but these progressive SJWs do.
It's not monkey people, it's slave monkey people dressed up in minstrel outfits who love their white elven masters
except those "minstrel outfits" are the current ones once removed the "racist" undertones according to WotC
Saying you are very racist and that you're incapable of noticing how other people are affected by things that don't affect you Is not mind blowing ir anything anon
I'm black, shit like this is offensive to me because I don't see any resemblance here
>I see monkey people and I think blacks
>YOU ARE RACIST!!!
>I see monkey people and I don't think blacks
>YOU ARE RACIST!!!
Holy shit, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>a ancient chinese blackface role being performed at the Opera
but hes dressed as a cat. catface?
No, the character is a monkey person being played by a non-African-American.
So the monkey king was just about a black dude?
Makes sense why they love DBZ so much, I guess.
>Monkey king and his demon-vanquishing BBC.
XDDDDD
>So the monkey king was just about a black dude?
No. The mask that
is wearing is a highly stylized golden monkey mask. WTF would you bring American race politics into a 3000 year old Chinese myth? (You don't have to answer that question if you think it might tend to incriminate you)
As a joke
Fair enough.
You are starting to get it, it doesn't matter what YOU think, it only matters what I think, and I already decided that you are racist.
Also, you are not allowed to look at the dictionary definition of racism, that's racist because black people can't read and the people who make dictionaries are white.
1. return to plebbit
2. you will never be a woman
3. have a nice day immediately
Amen
They managed to take the old lore and include some pointless Americanisms about black people they were caught off-guard when people noticed.
God i hate USA so much
They can't help being raised wrong.
Cancel The Wizard of Oz next, I guess? Because where do flying monkeys originate from again?
For context they changed the lore for the new book.
Old monkeys
>Space travelers that love adventure and have been exploring so long they forgot where the home world is.
>Reliable if very rowdy, very much your stereotypical sailors
Nu monkeys
>Uplifted by a wizard in a tired planet of the apes reference to be a slave race
>Wizards assistants killed him to help uplift the Hadozee in a white savior complex
>Monkeys show gratitude by singing, dancing, and performing funny comedy shows for their beloved new saviors
>Are stated to have comically large mouths and toothy smiles
They literally inserted a white savorier fantasy into the game
>Gone from Hale & Hearty Roustabouts to literal Watermelon smile homies who worship the white man
You really couldn't make it up if you tried, it's beyond parody.
The only part of this story that bothers me is that WOTC tried to blame "old material" from earlier editions, as if they didn't add the slave race part. Trying to blame old writers for their mistakes is gross.
nice strawman but that's not what it said at all, and it was a very, very blatant planet of the apes reference.
it's on you for reading into "expiremented on apes become sentient and escape with help of a lab assistant" and turning that into some grand analogy about black people because you subconsciously think "Black person=ape" while you clutch your pearls about imaginary racism.
Anyone who defends Hadozee clearly doesn't know their lore. I honestly agree with this one.
They went from being hanger-on crew of elvish ships to a starfaring race that had decided on uplifting itself after they teamed up with the Wizard of Oz's lab assistants.
That is just planet of the apes.
Is planet of the apes about black peoples too?
Obviously. Everything is race commentary.
What exactly is racist about this? Wouldn't they be portrayed as lazy and untrustworthy if the author's intention was to make a racist allegory of black people in the US?
Or is it just that a servitor race cannot be humanoid without being racist? Would slapping a few tentacles to that face have solved the issue?
>be a literal monkey warband that collectively hires itself out
>in this monkey warband society, the most bragging rights can be won from being hired and getting a fair day's work out of people who only grudgingly accept you as part of the onboard crew
I mean I get that properly atomized basedboys wouldn't understand the experience of you and the boys having a jolly good time working for those stiff motherfrickers who can't help paying your a fair wage under fair treatment on account of your collective armed bargain power.
So raycism is the only way for them to comprehend the situation.
Likewise, lab assistants teaming up with sentient experiments to found a starfareing monkey republic? RAYCISM. YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO SYMPATHIZE AND ORGANIZE ACROSS RAYCIAL LINES.
What the hell are you going on about. Meds, get them.
So the initial problem is that they are called Deck Apes which is US Navy slang for a Bosun’s Mate. That’s something that pre-2016 WotC would have simply ignored the controversy of and post-2016 EotC would have just deleted before it went to draft.
3e Stormwrack decided that the Bat/Chewbacca people that had existed since they were actually a species in Star Frontier had to go because “fantasy” and made them actual apes which happen to have flaps. They also changed the lore to go from Hadozee having a special relationship with Elves in that they get hired to crew their ships preferentially, to Hadozee being servile to elves they encounter and alway happy.
Come 5e and the team decide that the Hadozee would make a great Planet if the Apes reference because they now look like monkey/apes, (even if artist still harken back to 2e in some pictures).
Planet of the Apes, the Movie is the thing referenced because Americans don’t know about the book which is French and set on another planet. As a side note, the initial Planet of Apes movies and TV show evokes race relations in the US in the late 60s deliberately, but it could easily be that WotC didn’t watch or get that.
So now the Hadozee were magically uplifted by an evil Wizard who some elves help defeat, and the Hadozee swore everlasting friendship with their liberators and now work for them happily.
Also Hadozee got as a racial ability the ability to reduce damage. Which they never had before until this edition, but does bring to mind a regularly believed crackpot theory in the US that black people have thicker skin.
The total of this caused people to complain and WotC responded by nuking the whole lore from all reprints and online sources.
So basically they need to take them back to Star Frontiers Lore/Design because Star Frontiers was fricking based.
>but does bring to mind a regularly believed crackpot theory in the US that black people have thicker skin.
I mean they were bred to be farm equipment if you're talking about physiology, though I believe it'd be false psychologically given the well recorded phenomenon of what some call a "homie moment" while other describe as "chimping out"
>a regularly believed crackpot theory in the US that black people have thicker skin
That is not a regularly believed thing in the US. The crackpot thing is believing people believe that.
Frick you! Even doctors in US hospitals perpetuate that myth.
Why do you specify the US? I’m African American and have never heard it before people started claiming it was a thing with the Hadozee.
>As a black man...
I specified US because I wouldn't want to make unfair generalizations.
Hadozee lore is just Planet of the Apes.
They swapped old Planet of the Apes+the pirate monkey fairbanks parody for nu-apes+wizard of oz.
It takes a severely racist moron to see Black folk in that bare bone backstory.
We get it anon. You project your beliefs of black people onto space monkeys. We get it
I hope those colossal leftist fricking pussies squatted the Giff race out of Spelljammer too because of 'muh body positivity' and black women often being compared to lizzos, ^h^h^h sorry I meant hippos.
No they just managed to mangle their own “no racial weapon bonuses” rule they came up with because it was so central to the Giff they decided the species was sworn Old Testament style to a convent with the NRA.
Also breaking the old lore that Giff were agnostic.
Well they first tried in the UA to have Goff without guns and everyone called foul so they needed deadgodgiffsus as an excuse to fit all Giff knowing how to use guns in their new paradigm.
>WotC equates monkey people from a fantasy game to black people
Kek.
In the futere they come back to the idea, but only white man will be depicted as evil race lol
We had populations of good Orcs and Drow in like 91. 3e downplayed them, then 4e ditched them entirely. Its not a new concept it's just reinventing the while while circle jerking eachother saying how great you are.
this
Erda being a motherfricking mother for the Primarchs is so much worse
>lore
have you read any of it? it's surprisingly decent if you enjoy AI horror. compared to other new shit 40k has brought
>It's surprisingly decent
It's super fricking bland, actually. Every time they almost go somewhere cool with the lore GW bandaids over the cool bits with a heaping helping of plot armor.
I personally just concentrate on the grimdark AI gone mad, and just space dorfs in galactic core. I try to ignore all the pages and pages of "lets fill full text of whatever comes to our mind just to fill this codex and sell it"
>I personally just concentrate on the grimdark AI gone mad
So like a grand 2% of the lore. We haven't even seen any lore about them going mad or behaving erratically save for that one whose League got NOM'd by nids
>it's surprisingly decent if you enjoy AI horror.
In a vacuum? Sure. In the context of 40k? Absolutely not, frick that shit
>compared to other new shit 40k has brought
…fair. 13th black crusade and literally everything associated has been a disaster for Warhammer
>AI horror
Aka the lamest shit imaginable lmao
the very existence of the 4th edition of DnD
I don't understand why people don't like 4th edition so much, was it really so bad? I only played this edition myself and always had a lot of fun
It’s a mix of things. It was a huge departure from 3.5 which had essentially become a sacred cow. The intended web features never fully came out due to the dev doing a murder/suicide. Wizards were no longer I win buttons with a massive spell list. But most importantly, it gamified some terms like powers and listing movement in grid squares so some moronic compared it to WoW and it never recovered from every 3.5 slave clinging to that phrase to the grave.
>intended web features never fully came out due to the dev doing a murder/suicide
wait what?
Exactly what he said.
After the dev did it, WotC suddenly succeeded that it would be better to start working on 5e.
If not for that, 4e was going to have a vtt more or less as the main vtts were being developed.
>After the dev did it, WotC suddenly succeeded that it would be better to start working on 5e
It happened the month after 4e released. Hasbro had a lot of mismanaging to do before they decided 4e was over.
It was just very different from previous editions. It felt more like a video game than a traditional pen and paper rpg. Not necessarily a bad game by any means, just not what most people had associated with D&D at that point.
>threeaboo so mad he has to throw "game exists" into a lore thread
non-tinfoil hat level sauce?
>non-tinfoil hat level sauce?
The source is a dying Australian writing about boys being mastrubated to death by dick sucking machines in the concentration camps. It's a pretty rare book, with apparently only 500 being printed in total. Somebody posted it in a pic that's listing often-quoted /misc/ sources on the Holocaust somewhere on this board.
Cool it with the Holocaust denial, anti-Semite. Sheesh.
Wait, I'm sorry, but there's a real, physical, actually published book about that?
It's probably just a page or two, but why would you doubt the depravity of the upside-down-men?
wait till you hear about the eagles and electric floors
>non-tinfoil hat level sauce?
>often-quoted /misc/ sources
Also
>The source is a dying Australian
so just someone writing "The Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs"
More like Ass Goblins of Auschwitz, really.
what’s the name?
That sounds just as believable as the dried pussy ashtrays, boots made out of human leather and the Kadaververwertungsanstalt.
You know, I do found some new interesting stuff, but it's in some old school blogs and/or written by non-westerners, like settings based off Central Asia, Philippines, Africa. One sees some level of creativity, or something similar because it is ripped off from mostly unknown cultures.
Trying to get inspiration from fiction and non-fiction, for a setting more Bronze Age than average.
The best one I've seen recently is wandering heroes of ogre gate, and its an attempt at a wuxia rpg.
>wandering heroes of ogre gate
That is a good name
>sub splat based around a historical mass rape.
Crying shame that Talassi would’ve been the coolest beast family if it weren’t for the whole “everyone thinks all of them are serial rapists … also all of their famous members were serial racists”
What was the name?
>Nazi flight memoir was fiction, author confesses
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/mar/03/news.film
How dare he deny the holocaust.
Lancer. The entire lore section is just nonsense purple prose. It's just page after page of bad technobabble and random esoteric words the authors thought would make them sound all cool and mystical.
what is this shit? never heard of it, is it something old?
Being that they squeezed Destiny's bar rag for fluff and then shook the resulting wienertail with Commie bullshit and "muh god is an AI", it'll do that.
Mech RPG that uses SotDL mechanics for the Mechs and PbtA-style mechanics for the Pilot interactions.
Makes the whole pilot thing feel inconsequential and not as effective in comparison to the giant robot fightan.
Their backstory is that Space Government has gone full Commie after the apocalypse and tries retaking lost colonies. In their third version of this bullshit (because there is no true Socialism without Struggle), they are trying to make post-Scarcity a thing with the use of magic 3D Printers, galactic internet, and heavily-regulated space travel (because their space ships follow the lightspeed limit), their FTL requires big space stations and is like a Chinese toll road. Otherwise, you're stuck doing slowboating.) The only "Hard Sci-Fi" thing they have, and it's like calling White Claw "hard liquor".
>and PbtA-style mechanics for the Pilot interactions
No, having PbtA style mechanics for the pilot interactions would be more than what Lancer has. What Lancer has for pilot mechanics is just shy of literally nothing.
LANCER reads like satire of modern communists/socialists written by someone who hates them. You have the turbo racist second council who builds literally everything that matters and works in the setting, and who sent relativistic kill vehicles to destroy the space Muslims in 500 years which the 3rd council of socialists now hem and haw about. You have post scarcity, but also turbo DRM so you have to suck off the government to get anything you want. The only way for PCs to ever get ahead is to work as mercenaries for the big daddy government or it's approved corporations so you can bomb savage mud huts as part of a pacification/liberation/democratization effort by the all-powerful and all-benevolent socialist progressive third committee. This is all so you can ensure that a handful of people can live in "post scarcity" which is only enabled by raping the outlying worlds filled with primitives. There's also butthole turbofascists who just exist for some reason even through they could just print genuine wealth and magic nanobots if they wanted to.
>second council who builds literally everything that matters and works in the setting, and who sent relativistic kill vehicles to destroy the space Muslims in 500 years
Sec com sounds pretty based
They are, Harrison Armory is a close second
SSC FOR LIFE
Lancer has some good shit going on, but it unfortunately hates focusing on said good shit. The primary focus, the Union, a “post-capital” society that somehow still spawned and sustains numerous megacorps is absolute trash. Then on the sidelines you’ve got damn good bits like the Aun getting fricked put of their promised land by time dilation, the HA purple flag being known as “the bruise” on worlds conquered by HA, SSC kidnapping space-jesus and using him to develop and sell teleporting giant robots, etc
>the Union, a “post-capital” society
>that somehow still spawned and sustains numerous megacorps
Correct me if Im wrong but arnt the corporate states only working with them, and arnt subservient?
>Correct me if Im wrong but arnt the corporate states only working with them, and arnt subservient?
The corporate states all exist because the Union economic planners decided corporate states needed to exist and all originated from within the Union
>It's just page after page of bad technobabble and random esoteric words the authors thought would make them sound all cool and mystical
And the is nothing wrong with that.
whatever this is
It has a Beard, but its features are feminine.
TRE TRI TRO TRU, I SMELL THE BLOOD OF TROONS
That's Niko Aris. They are non-binary.
But is it a man or a woman?
I don't care who they want to frick.
>But is it a man or a woman?
Yes.
The entirety of FATAL but that’s pretty much cheating
Kenders
why?
They make sense as a very dumb deus ex machina npc race that can pull your dumbass players out of most messes by having stolen just the thing required for the party to not perish, but they're pure cancer as PC race.
In any case, thieves are supposed to be Piñatas, granting them divine and social protection is utterly moronic.
Wildren: Half-Dorfs, Half-Badgers https://1dGanker/wiki/Wildren
Go be moronic and homosexualry somewhere else, gaylord
ENTER
MTG might have some of the dumbest lore in existence.
They made Remilia, but worse in every aspect.
People as sure she's lying when she says that is her power.
Suika has an actual influence over people by increasing the density of things, be it her own size, or mist, maybe a growd of people getting together for a festival.
That's nothing compared to the shit MtG already has, dude. This one's just a dumb trope of universe child God, and it can actually improve a fiction.
Yes.
I can prove it.
Dragonball
Yes, I am aware that this is not a high bar, but it's proof.
You are now aware that Mark was making an ironic joke.
Mtg has been a bad and unfunny joke for almost a decade now.
Making it bad on purpose still means it's bad.
WE
WILL
WE
WILL
ROCK YOU
honestly, this just sounds like setup for the next main villain after they're done killing off the Eldrazi/Bolas/Phyrexians.
you can believe *A* holocaust took place without believing every alleged survivor's story no matter how obvious it is just half-baked fanfiction.
i mean, he's not wrong. women do tend to lean more towards less crunchy more character-driven rpgs like Fate or PbtA.
Honestly, his fault here wasn't his psychiatric assessment of women but his inability to imagine RPGs that weren't D&D, the classic D&D-player blunder.
Tie between Warhammer, World of Darkness, and Kult. All three are stunningly autistic.
Why are they standing in a map of Ohio?
I see this image and I already know its not worth my time
>check this out, out of curiosity
>theyre australian
What’s their name supposed to actually mean? It looks like it’s meant as “girls who don’t play Dungeons and Dragons” but from context I assume that’s wrong.
“Girls who don’t dine and dash”? If that’s the case I applaud them
>Girls who don't D&D' is monthly* real play D&D adventure from three girls who have never played before and one guy who doesn't know what he's doing.
It probably started as a joke. It should be "Girls who didn't D&D" now.
>theyre australian
>“Girls who don’t dine and dash”?
GENTLEMENNNN
THIS IS DEMOCRACY MANIFEST
GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME!
And you, sir. Are you waiting to receive my limp penis?
Trying to hit as many diversity buzzwords as possible.
Why would vampires even maintain human religion/politics after a point?
Brujah kinda do sometimes, but they are gigaautists. And them being absurdly angry over shit and being incapable yo understand other positions is a defining aspect.
Post the other one about Rudi
Discounting obvious shit like FATAL, it's Beast the Primordial, which was the result of a pedophile writing a thinly veiled game about how everyone was evil for not letting him act on his urges.
What was it called, Wraethu? Godawful insanely rapey elves or some shit like that.
wraeththu, that was it! It's insane.
>System is literally "You have just been raped by flower penis, go out and rape somebody with your new flower penis if you want to survive"
>System contains multiple clans made up of dozends to hundreds of individuums who all don't know how flower penis is formed
It's like the worst Fading Suns source book expanded into a whole game.
You also missed the part where it outright says any and all stories you come up with in your campaign from playing the game become the official intellectual property of the setting's author.
That’s just not how that works
YO WHAT THE FRICK
I USED TO OWN TWO OF THOSE KNIVES.
I got them as letter openers at a ten fair for like 10 bucks and they were absolute trash.
If you look behind the knife you can see an artistic interpretation of the wraeththu genitalia.
Please don't report me.
Are you telling me that masturbation machines were made up by a completely unreliable source?!?
Nooooooooo! This goes against the narrative that schizophrenic white nationalists have been feeding me!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
I'd do unspeakable things to that elf
Love and cherish her? Foot massages? Bake bread?
Worse. Hand holding.
Can't do that on a Christian minecraft server!
what is that?
some feminist dnd podcast I think
It's not even censored on this site, you fricking castrati
why would mods delete such an excellent post with an amazing get?
Bellum Maga, it's a feminist fever dream where men are under the control of a snake god and everything women do that aggravates men, is secretly a source of magic power that women should feel free to use to make men suffer in horrific ways.
It's a body horror fetish game, bro. It's no different from FATAL and its infants with penises the size of an elephant's trunk.
Yeah it's got a bizarrely in depth fetish for turning men into cigars or cigarettes and smoking them.
It has a fetish for "you know that thing you like that annoys other people? Well it's actually been the secret to your goddess magic THE WHOLE TIME"
Remember that attempt to flip the perspective so that the witches are the villains and the serpents were the heroes? Cain-something, innit?
Here: https://1dGanker/wiki/Cain%27s_Ouroboros
>worst lore in existence, what is the worst written lore for any rpg you know and why?
Destiny 2
its going to be interesting what they do with the end of the current arc. Because right now no one gives a shit.
vampire the masqueerade
Very good, very good anon...
HOWEVER, Changeling: The Dreaming.
>girls
>D&D
>that post
>not pants on head moronic like you.
Back then, DnD and the very few TTRPGs following it in general were "get loot, get dames, kill monsters, get swole". It was also a very, very tiny hobby space back then, quite literally a newborn in terms of hobbies.
A very large reason why White Wolf's WoD, particularly Vampire, was able to compete and do so well against DnD, is because it managed to get the audience that DnD couldn't (that being women), as a result of fundamentally different game design.
The again, Gary does still hit the nail on the head; VtM comes with LARP rules.
More like Gary hit his head and got brain damage and you are a underage moron
I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
I came to mine based off of non-meme facts; WoD Vampire was a break out hit in a space dominated by DnD, you can look it up easily with a quick google search. It did and still does have a comparatively large female playerbase, especially compared to what DnD had at the time. You can look that up very easily on google, too. These aren't metrics kept in some obese freak's basement, it's common knowledge.
As for gary hitting his head and getting brain damage, maybe? I don't know, I couldn't find that on google.
That sword is insane.
>Beast: the Primordial
>Beast: the Primordial
Does Beast: The Primordial have any examples of characters or adventures? After reading this thread I'm really interested in seeing how the book defends any of this shit.
One example hero (meaning villain) is a fat guy with a neckbeard and trilby that calls people milady and cares about ethics in journalism.
Well.
How much weapons grade stupid can you take anon?
Frick I forgot the first page.
But yes, that is a rape victim (or heavily implied rape, or hell, worse than rape since he violated her soul itself and the only reason we don't already consider that worse than violating the body is because no one IRL can do that) who is going to therapy for what happened to her and who has become a victims rights advocate being presented as a devilish, fiendish antagonist who is totes manipulating everyone by-
Advocating for people not getting fricked on by Beasts.
Oh and of course
>The Beasts tried to kidnap her; but they made one fatal error. Posting their plan to Twitter first!
Holy shit, was anyone at White Wolf paying attention during the editing process?
Only the sex offenders, clearly.
I mean at least this one didn't cause an international incident with the Prime Minister having to apologize for their writing.
>I mean at least this one didn't cause an international incident with the Prime Minister having to apologize for their writing.
Okay, I'm completely out of the loop, WHAT?
Chechens don't put up with vampire homosexualry and stake them on sight.
Taken from the archives:
>2016
>LGBT-wierdo shoots up a few muslims in Chechnya
>gets killed by armed militia
>this is barely news because Chechnya is generally a balkanized melting pot of feces where all kinds of ideological weirdos shoot each other up
>one LGBT-Activist and owner of radical homosexualsite gets partyvaned because the shooter announced his attack on the site
>Chechnya and Russia use it to clamp down on LGBT-Sites as places for radicals
>NGOs))se it as ammo for OMG RUSSIA IS SO OPPRESSIVE AND HATES THE GAYS
>the west largely ignores it because no one cares
>except for homo-actvist wierdos and their sites because they always look for chances to screech how oppressed they are
>shit spreads like wildfire on pro-LGBT breeding grounds and gets turned into a story about the great chechnyan homocaust of 2017
>western news ignore it because its verifiable bullshit
>but SJWs and wokeists dont care about the truth
>queue late 2017 two new sourcebooks for Vampire: The Masquerade released by nu-White Wolf, named Camarilla and Anarch.
>Indoctrinated SJW-Bottomfeeders use the Camarilla book to virtue signal about the supposed great chechnyan homocaust
>uses real-world head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, as a low-generation vampire used as a pawn by the Kindred in charge and treats the whole homocaust as fact
>russian localizers go WTF BRO and leak it to public
>chechen republic mad
>russia mad
>50 min press conference on prime time russia TV denouncing white-wolf and their made up bullshit by localizes, chechehn head of state and russian foreign minister
>swedish ambassador is summoned to the consulate and has to apologize for his moronic country
>Paradox dissolves White Wolf Publishing a year later after all the writers that worked on the Camarilla book claim that none of them wrote this piece of lore
https://www.rt.com/news/444279-chechnya-vampires-table-game-scandal/
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-11-19-paradox-taking-control-of-white-wolf-after-vampire-the-masquerade-lgbtq-controversy
https://www.polygon.com/2018/11/16/18098929/white-wolf-controversy-paradox-interactive-new-ceo
https://gamedaily.biz/article/396/paradox-interactive-white-wolf-will-no-longer-function-as-a-separate-entity-following-insensitive-material
https://www.pcgamesinsider.biz/news/68130/paradox-puts-the-leash-on-white-wolf-following-vampire-the-masquerades-crude-and-disrespectful-prose/
And actual sources from across the spectrum (Both spectrums if you know what I mean) to show I haven't made a word of it up.
>linking Russian state propaganda
>calling it "bOtH sPeCtRUmS *teehee wink wink*"
Bruh... Putin's hand so far up your ass he can tickle your tongue.
>Something happens in one of the Russian Republics
>Guy links a Russian source relating to the Russian diplomatic incident that happened in the Russian Republic.
>You; an idiot too large for any village, a complete mongoloid, a buffoon of the highest order: Why are you using Russian sources, clearly it's because you're a Russia Worshipper! Hahah! #Exposed!
K, moron.
>(Both spectrums if you know what I mean)
Gay and Autistic?
Jesus fricking Christ that's embarrassing.
>swedish ambassador is summoned to the consulate and has to apologize for his moronic country
I never get tired of reading this story.
What a bunch of fricking nimrods.
No.
As bad as it is, realize it was originally worse.
U mad bro?
Girls who don't D&D?
So, girls who have better-than-terrible taste in TTRPGs?
The name is wrong, it should be "Girl who Didn't D&D", because they do play D&D.
The girl the lead writer molested was his younger cousin, wasn’t she?
>this got past official editors and proofreaders
>more than just the sex pest was on board with this blurb about party drama being called “kissing cousins”
White Wolf editors and proofreaders. Yeah remember all those clearly idiotic and prejudiced people say "certain folks" are trying to normalize pedophilia? Clearly delusional, am I right?
To their defense, this could be blamed on "Matt went to far in his minority revenge porn", and the biggest Beast defenders, used to be autists.
But WW let it pass, Anon.
It is tame compared to the sample play.
It was at least 3 women.
Bricktown, the town that exports bricks from the local brick mine, and everything is made of bricks, even the doors.
https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/10431450/#10435214
My homebrew.
Whatever you've written, I guarantee you someone has gotten something worse published. This thread is the example of that.
>The gay vampire muslim activist from VTM
>The fricking kinder
>>The fricking kinder
old kinder or nukinder?
Well frick now I remember beast exists. We really do live in a fricked up time.
Don't worry, eventually Holden will release Exalted vs Chronicles of Darkness and Beasts will get the Glorious Solar [Vengeance] they disserve.
Or, hear me out, WW will frick the pooch and the Beasts will team up with the fricking Infernals or Abysals and be the real good guys while the Solars get typecast as regressive and problematic along with the Heroes.