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Would you be okay with popping the pimples on my ass with your teeth?
I would, yes.
This. If they're literally indestingushable due to all the crazy hormones/geneseed etc
Same as how IRL women who tren hard, eat clen and smash HGH look just like men too
No.
The junk space in the y chromosome is needed. And even then most dont make it.
Only if you make it canon that Femarine Heavy Weapons teams are constantly and involuntarily pissing themselves just like female powerlifters.
I would be more than okay with them in any context because I don't play warhammer or buy games workshop products, and if female space marines became canon it would make a lot of people very angry and I think the sort of people who would angry at that are despicable children who deserve to suffer
>I don't play warhammer or buy games workshop products, and if female space marines became canon it would make a lot of people very angry and I think the sort of people who would angry at that are despicable children who deserve to suffer
Yeah, that's every person who wants femmarines. Thanks for being honest.
this,
also they should introduce volvo xc60 to imperial forces and make it twice as strong as any tank while costing less
imagine the seethe
No because I hate space marines, and I want to see fewer space marines, not more.
That is a compelling point.
I hate space marines and I would like to see them shit the bed with rage.
I want it to happen, so GW can finally die.
It make GW more popular though.
Why do you NEED to modify the game setting and lore to have them?
How does it enhance the game?
Make your own game and strap breasts on your spacebros, if it's got such demand, you'll make a killing right?
Naw you're just a weird stinky fetishist.
No, because it goes against the setting rules that have been established since 2ed and it would be a bit of a stretch to change it. I would, however, be perfectly okay with a full reboot of the universe, badly needed in my opinion, that includes female space marines to begin with.
Yes because i'm a coomer and I don't care about the lore. Unironically.
Kinda uncessary I guess since we already have sisters of battle but the more reasons people have to make art of buff women the happier I am.
I'm already fine with the concept but people just don't like change.
40k lore is already ruined and it would cause extreme butthurt on /tg/ so I support it
This is the only place I ever see anyone talk about female space marines, and yet there are threads on it almost every day
yeah people are obsessed with this on here it's fricking wild
surprised anybody has time to actually play games with all the screaming about people touching or not touching canon in something or other
>I think the sort of people who would angry at that are despicable children who deserve to suffer
See here.
This here is the primary reason for the absolute majority of people who want femshit marines.
Like every other thing leftist want, it's not based on any preference, it's done with singular purpose to spite other people and spoil the things the like.
That's it, not magic, just pure evil.
>building your worldview off of anonymous troll posts
I'm afraid those popped far, far too often than any reasonable alternative would imply and they correlate well with twitter crowds and companies management both.
The only thing stopping it, is either lack of power for the former and scraps of sanity for profit for the latter.
man you are one silly b***h
I wanted to get into LARP, so went to create a character and the logo of the event had the LGBT flag in it. I thought might be something like faction colors, so asked in the community chat what it was, they said it was the flag because they believe in inclusivity, I thanked them for the info and said the game isn't for me so not going to spend the money, they demonized me and then banned me. I did this in an alt account, so I got to watch them seething on my main.
Not interested in giving my money to people who encourage it. You can be inclusive but not promote it. Paying to go to an event to be around circlejerks of trans sounds like hell. It's a shame, because they took over all LARP events and it's the only thing I'd like to do that involves socialization.
It's not evil to piss off people who are horrible spiteful pieces of shit. That's just a fun time. Ganker morons are not paragons of morality and I question where and when this notion arose (Chanology?).
>It's not evil to piss off people who are horrible spiteful pieces of shit.
Hence why it's not evil to piss off troons, yes.
You are correct. Damn shame that the weirdos and pronoun crusaders seem to be outnumbering the 40k enjoyers.
It's all over social media. Just because you only visit this site doesn't mean it's isolated to just this site
What did Arch do now?
Not Arch, this time has been Majorkill
https://twitter.com/Majorkill1/status/1615613223184785408
Why can't that dudebro just kill himself.
Who?
Kek, that's exactly what this shit always is. "How do you do fellow 40K fans" indeed
>using socialist media
they are echo chambers
Yes, they're leftist echo chambers, making them great listening posts to see what those gays are plotting next. Plus you can get some great coom art from the nips there.
Ganker is social media, and one of the more notorious echo chambers at that. Famously so.
That post is unironically correct, in that 40k lore is a haphazard mishmash of stories constructed with the sole purpose of selling plastic dudes. It was never meant to be set in stone or even particularly coherent.
The moment GW decides female marines will bring in more players than they drive away, they'll come up with a lore reason. It's literally that simple.
Except the Space Marines being solely men has being consistent throughout the entire lifetime of 40k. Same with Sisters Of Battle being soley women. How hard is it to understand?
They can change the lore on a whim, and have on other things. How is THAT hard to understand?
>nevermind the other specific themes and aesthetics of nuns and monks
Such as? That's literally the question, please provide an example.
>They've made terrible decisions so they should KEEP making the same terrible decision but even worse
>Such as? That's literally the question, please provide an example.
Being single gender. Do you even know why nuns and monks even became a thing in the first place? It's about political control, power, and dehumanization.
If you mix them you lose the thematic connection to IRL history and they become just Aliens' marines with power armour. And there's already a faction for very human and mixed gender soldiers: the imperial guard.
Asking for female marines is missing the point. Ask for more Sisters' diversity, or more mixing of Custodes/Sisters of Silence in the game and the lore instead. That would make more sense and still be 40k
I can grant you all of that and you still wouldn't have answered the question.
You're not accepting the answer: being single gender is a key part of their identity, in and out universe
Yes it is. For example, I've seen closely male and female sports teams and that's exactly how it works.
You lack real life experience.
And I've been first hand in male only and mixed gender groups. So long as no one is bringing horny into it there is no meaningful difference between a male only group and a male and butch women only group. Heck a pussy ass guy is more likely to be a disruption than a butch women
I said I didn't object to the troony space marine on lore grounds, but I didn't say anything about representation. Come on man read the post.
Meant for
You said you wanted pronoun war bullshit hamfisted in, the grounds are irrelevant
The grounds are extremely relevant. Or do you object to slannesh doing some non binary pronoun war bullshit too? What about orks? There's already pronoun war shit in 40k it just works and fits into the setting, probably cause it's always been there before this became the new brain rot
>The grounds are extremely relevant.
Not particularly.
>Or do you object to slannesh doing some non binary pronoun war bullshit too?
Waffling already, are we? That was quick.
>What about orks?
And now you want to add transorks too. Thanks for proving my point that all you want is to hamfist in your little culture war that has become your whole personality.
>ACKshully, 40K was ALWAYS trans!
Oh good then we don't have to change it for your pronoun war homosexualry.
Holy shit it's moronic
You can't compare college or the workplace with being 24/7 closely with the same focused group of people while being physical. That's not how it works. I'm not talking about hornyness or whatever, there's a lot of it anyway.
Nevermind you ignoring the themes involved.
Themes are gay and I'm not that anon. And I mean if you don't bring wanting to frick anyone into it nothing changes. But I think we're just arguing personal experience at this point
Wanting women to be men is about as gay as you can get, anon.
>muh anecdotes!
Science proves your anecdotes wrong, fren. You're also comparing playing a TRPG to fricking war.
homie what the frick did I say to imply it was a TRPG group?
You're right, that was foolish of me to assume you actually played games.
Oh biting anon how will I ever recover
>So long as no one is bringing horny into it
As if female space marines are anything but coomer garbage
>40k lore is a haphazard mishmash of stories constructed with the sole purpose of selling plastic dudes.
okay...
>It was never meant to be set in stone or even particularly coherent.
Not true at all. We have decades of hundreds of books with a well stablished universe. Sure there are huge variation in quality and tone, but the fundamental are the same since the 90s.
>The moment GW decides female marines will bring in more players than they drive away, they'll come up with a lore reason. It's literally that simple.
I can't disagree with this, but this would be really be a deal breaker for most marinegays. Just remember the butthurt about primaris despite being a minor change in comparison.
And Ganker isn't?
>but there's constant arguments
Most arguments here are trolling. For example, pretty much everyone on Ganker agrees that piracy is okay. You see a lot of pirate vs anti-pirate threads, but they're blatantly just morons responding to trolls.
its just one guy spamming
It's a great bait.
Yes, everything's possible after Primaris.
>Primaris.
What is it?
Female Nuns, Male monks.
If you want to change these fundamental character classes becuase of gender politics you can go frick yourself, you pathetic Marxist homosexual.
i just want 8 foot tall genetically enhanced muscle mommies
What your asking for is primaris adepta sororitas.
Stop pretending to be a dumb frick. It's only adorable when real girls do it.
Please explain in your own words which aspects of astartes are monklike but not nunlike and which aspects of sororitas are nunlike but not monklike.
Other than gender, obviously.
>primaris adepta sororitas.
Now THAT would actually break the lore, since sororitas aren't created via gene-seed implants. I thought people opposed to femarines cared about lore?
nta, but
>Other than gender
Being single gender is the point, nevermind the other specific themes and aesthetics of nuns and monks
>primaris adepta sororitas.
You know what? I bet most people or myself wouldn't object to making Sisters stronger and closer to marines via a process for them. But they would to be more human than marines. Most marines are dehumanized to the point they don't understand normal socialization and interactions.
>I bet most people or myself wouldn't object to making Sisters stronger and closer to marines via a process for them
I would. A major part of their appeal is that they are normal humans under the armor, overcoming impossible odds with nothing but sheer religious moronation.
"religious moronation" ends up being too many times "magic faith did it", like the 9th ed. trailer. It's a bit of a cop out IMO and I would like to see more Sisters having the type of extreme survival stories that marines get. They could get their own female spin on it with unique stuff.
"Primaris" has become shorthand for "slightly stronger sidegrade" in a lot of circles anon, snaggas get called primaris orks all the time. How do you not know this?
>I bet most people or myself wouldn't object to making Sisters stronger and closer to marines via a process for them.
I would, unless it was religious over scientific. Something like a eucharistic ritual where a Living Saint bleeds into a chalice that all the chosen sisters drink from to transubstantiate themselves into primaris!Sisters. I still wouldn't like it because it feels lazy as frick, but at least they'd retain the flavor of the faction that way.
>you pathetic Marxist homosexual
But it's you spending hundreds of dollars and investing your emotions in the game created as leftist satire
LIBERAL Leftist satire you disgusting communist freak.
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Unironically I would be fine with FtM space marines, the process and copious roids taken during selection just has them coming out on the other end with XY chromosomes
Nah. I'd rather they just have female custodes or some kind of spiritual marine version of SoB.
Yeah I guess I could support this. I know fan art wouldn't adhere to it but make them look literally male. Aside of a c**t or down in the DNA they look 100% male down to facial hair.
Yeah exactly, go for the full FtM thing, that or just have an iron plate down there or something.
>female custodes
Like the sisters of silence?
>ftm marines
Literally why? If they're going to be indistinguishable from male marines then what's the goddamn point other than to win some culture war beachhead homosexualry? I can respect the coomers who want fat tittied muscle mommy asstarts more than you snake-ass sons of b***hes who just want to drag 40K into your gay ass pronoun wars.
It would only be a pronoun war because idiots like you would see an 8-foot tall slab of muscles and testosterone and for some reason insist on calling it "she."
>admit you want to turn a woman into a man
>somehow this isn't pronoun culture war homosexualry
>Pronoun war
Anon they're coming out the other end a man that's the point. See the fem marine conversation is dumb because how the process works is you take a kid, mod the hell out of them, and then basically replace their genetic structure with someone else's. There can be no female space marines cause the process of becoming a space marine makes a copy of a male super soldier, but that doesn't strictly exclude putting a female aspirants into the process. Combine the indoctrination with them already being a freak of nature or drugs to get this far and they'll be coming out the other end he/him.
The sames true for race, if the white scars ever got there hands on a non space Mongolian kid, that kids coming out the other end Mongolian. Similarly the only space marine chapters that should be multiethnic are ones that have had to scavenge for gene seed in the past, particularly successor chapters and the like.
>So you want GW to do this?
No no god no, I do not trust those homosexuals to not screw it up, I just don't object to the concept on a lore basis and think it would solve the fem marine issue for good.
>It's not pronoun culture war bullshit, I just want troony space marines for muh representation!
So....it's a pronoun war.
I did not say that
You kinda did
That would be a pretty neat way to do it. Maybe say some nonsense like the emperor's genes are si overpower that it makes even women more like him and turns them into men?
Yeah exactly, or that indoctrination is so powerful it can alter minds that deep. Alternatively if you wanted to safe guard against further shenanigans you could throw the wokescalds a bone with some "they had to be a man at heart" line. So now If GW ever tried to do a fem marine they'd be contradicting troony lore and pissing off them too
I would be ok with female space marines because they would take the role of libtrash pandering mascots, allowing sororitas to be fanservice again.
>lets create the most fierce and powerful human warriors known to mankind
>also, lets use a sex thats physically inferior to the other one in every imaginable way, thus creating much weaker warriors at the same cost or even more if you want them to be remotely comparable
>why do that instead of focusing on simply creating the best possible ones?
>uuuh, stop asking questions chud
>also, lets use a sex thats physically inferior to the other one in every imaginable way,
While we're at it, let's start the process at an incredibly young age that is physically and mentally inferior to a more mature age in every imaginable way.
>we're slapping two brains 20 hearts and 500lungs into a body after completely altering it biologically
doesn't really matter what you start with.
Soeritas already are pmuch space marines and rek or match every non terminator stronger sex male in existance in wh40k universe.
>Speach to text ESL.
Kek.
Loregay here.
Astartes organs were designed at the outset, to only work in male biology and physiology. This, while providing a better 'starting point' for such a transformation, also prevents the marines breeding and becoming utterly independent of humanity. The current method still makes them dependent on normal people for recruits, (unless they boink their chapter serfs successfully, but that's borderline impossible).
Ten thousand years later, you're lucky to find a planet with the right genetic makeup, and the right environmental pressures, that the top 1% of fighting boys won't immediately seize and die on the operating table, much less try and make it work on a girl.
>Loregay here.
This is the gayest thing I've read all year
>This is the gayest thing I've read all year
Don't worry, we got 11 more months.
Ohhh kinkayyy
>pic
Did they frick in the next panel?
Don't think space marine dongs work
Who the frick cares
Only morons with nonstandards play gw slop anyway. The lores been butchered trillions of times over.
Only difference now its gonna be more inclusive and yall actually gonna finally take a stand over a relatively minor retcon
If your opinions mattered you wouldnt be a gw fangirl.
honestly i want them to say women are only kept in wh40k as sex slaves, its a complete patriarchial society and there are only white people in wh40k, that are all descendants of russians and chinese.
That way all the complete subhuman scum that 100% time only seem to exist to ruin a gaming session are all stuck playing one of the worse ttwg and the rest of us have better, cleaner communities.
>OP didn't manage to rile up 40kg enough and proceeded to shit up the board with this asinine thread
No.
I like 40K, even with the recent shit lore, as it's mostly ignorable.
Female Space marines would ruin too many concepts via their introduction. The piss-take of the masculine power warrior fantasy, the existence of the Sisters of Battle, the position and relationship they hold to humanity.
It would be an objectively poor lore choice, and I am not so bitter or cold as to get behind it for such a reason.
You want power armoured amazons, go find an Inquisitor on space-roids, or one Custodian of a thousand.
>the masculine power warrior fantasy
would still be there
>the existence of the Sisters of Battle
would still be there
>the position and relationship they hold to humanity
would still be there
>masculine power warrior fantasy
>the position and relationship they hold to humanity
>would still be there
No it wont't. It would be like making Little Women or Jane Austen novels with men: totally missing the point.
40k Space Marines are about the male power fantasy AND the subversion of it via endless Lord of the Flies scenarios. It's unironically about male experiences taken to the most extreme cases.
People who want marines with a pencil neck pretty girl head do not get it. There's a reason there's a real trope in 40k stories about women characters used to contrast their humanity with emotionally stunted marines.
>ib4 muh representation
SM are not really heroes, they're monsters or anti heroes at best. Trying to make them into aspirational figures is stupid and misses the point.
>40k Space Marines are about the male power fantasy AND the subversion of it
It has never been subverted.
>marines with a pencil neck pretty girl head do not get it
Female marines wouldn't look like that. Even the Sisters don't look like that.
>There's a reason there's a real trope in 40k stories about women characters used to contrast their humanity with emotionally stunted marines.
That sounds incredibly sexist. And name one example.
>It has never been subverted.
You have not read space marine stories? The fricking Horus Heresy alone is 60+ books about that
>Female marines wouldn't look like that. Even the Sisters don't look like that.
Sisters look like that (unfortunately IMO), and pretty girl marines is exactly what those people want.
>That sounds incredibly sexist. And name one example.
No is not. Normal men act normally i 40k stories, but space marines are not normal at all. Examples of those female characters are common: Euphrati Keeler, Ilya Ravallion, Octavia... even Sisters play this role sometimes as foil to SM. They're not the only ones, normal male characters are also used, but authors tend to use women to avoid books being even more of a sausage fests than they are.
Having female marines doesn't mean removing male marines.
>Little Women or Jane Austen novels with men
Those books still have men in them.
>Having female marines doesn't mean removing male marines.
Yes it does. They no longer would be the Lord of the Flies child supersoldiers/monks of 40k. They would be generic sci fi warriors.
There's a reason they were already gender segregated since the start along Sisters, while the Imperial guard has always been mixed gender.
>Those books still have men in them.
They're not the the protagonists or the real subject matter of those stories. A male version of these books would be nonsensical for the same reason. They're 100% women stories about women experiences. The same applies to SM in 40k.
This is incorrect. You're misquoting the story about GW seeing FANTASY female warriors not selling well, so they never made female marines in the first place, just two (2) proto-sisters of battle minis with no faction rules that they sold as generic adventurers.
>The same applies to SM in 40k.
How exactly do marines experiences apply to normal men?
the making of war, soldier dehumanization, daddy issues, and brotherhood of SM are classic men issues and obssesions since the fricking Illiad, anon
Yes it does, because gender segregation is the point. That's why I used Little Women or Jane Austen as opposite examples. Those are all stories from the unique PoV of one gender. Mixing them introduces interactions that turn them into other thing. In the case of marines, it would humanize them more, which is a bad thing.
There would be also the loss of the medieval retrograde themes of 40k, with marines as monks and sisters as nuns. The later would be robbed of their unique themes and identity.
If you want "female representation" in 40k, demand making Sisters more relevant and varied, or more imperial guard/xeno stories with women protagonists, not dilluting what makes marines unique and spoiling it for the people that likes them as they are. I'd rather see marines take a back seat in the setting than turning them into another generic space troopers faction.
Why do you keep pretending that dehumanization, indoctrination and war are male-only issues?
When was the last time women were conscripted against their wills to die under artillery shells?
Why do you keep pretending that fraternal bonding and brotherhood are female issues?
>fraternal bonding and brotherhood
Women have their own female versions of that. They just can't exist at the same time with mixed genders. It becames a completely different dynamic.
>Women have their own female versions of that
Yeah, called a sorority.
Sorority, now there's a fun word to say...
Hey, maybe GW should use it for their all-female femarine chapters!
Adeptus Astororities? No, that's not it.
Adeotus Sororitartes? Hmm, maybe...
I'll figure out something to call this homebrew abd get back to you.
>same time with mixed genders
That is a (you) problem.
>dehumanization, indoctrination and war
So...the Guard?
Because historically (and currently) the specific versions of dehumanization, indoctrination and war suffered and practiced by men are not the same as the ones by women.
Can we make histories about those but with women? Sure. But they need to be fully genderbended like Sisters to be really the same thing, or you end with another clone of Aliens' Colonial Marines (whose role is played by the Imperial Guard in 40k)
>Because historically (and currently) the specific versions of dehumanization, indoctrination and war suffered and practiced by men
And why does that have to be the case in 40k?
Damn bro, you sure move those goal posts quick.
You still haven't proven that having female marines are in any way detrimental to male marines.
You still haven't managed a real argument for it.
See
I'm not even that anon, but he summed it up perfectly and you've yet to disprove his assertion. Instead you just started flailing and deflecting like a Dark Souls dex build rollspammer
None of that ceases with the introduction of female marines. If you are unbale to have a bond of brotherhood becase a woman is near you... that's just childish.
That's quite literally scientifically false. Gender segregated schools and military units alike perform better.
>If you are unbale to have a bond of brotherhood becase a woman is near you... that's just childish.
No, it's how human beings work. Brotherhood and sisterhood dissapear in mixed gender groups and it becomes other thing. It's not the same at all.
And how is that?
How men and women aren't the same thing?
Oh, how indeed.
Explain how brotherhood and sisterhold are so fundamentally different that you can't have then coexist. Fricking try.
It's in the name anon. You can't have a group of people with the two things at the same time. That's not how humans work
Idk about you but I've never seen sibligns stop acting like siblings when the other gender enters the room
It's almost like they're blood related anon
Also brotherhood and sisterhood isn't the same as sibling relations.
>Also brotherhood and sisterhood isn't the same as sibling relations.
Louder please, some people need to hear this more.
I still don't know anyone who stops being a brother (in spirit) when they are near girls
Saying that it would work is the assertion, thus the burden of proof is on you.
I just told you, moron. Men and women aren't the same.
You can get either brotherhood or sisterhood in one group.
It's exactly why normal military doesn't allow women or open gays. They miss the point of bonding.
>You can get either brotherhood or sisterhood in one group
okay...
>It's exactly why normal military doesn't allow women or open gays. They miss the point of bonding.
...don't bring /misc/ garbage here
This entire argunent reeks of /misc/ and it's because they're desperately clinging to the last oiece of influnece they have over Warhammer.
That's only /misc/ because morons like you made it so.
It is common knowledge. Or used to be anyway.
I'm pretty sure you all aware of it nonetheless but just play dumb.
Asking asinine questions like "how can man be a woman?", "could women have penises" and the like.
See
Since you're so Adept at deflecting away from points you're forced to concede
Anon that's not even remotely how it works, you're just horny and emotionally stunted
>why does that have to be the case in 40k?
it doesn't. That's why Sisters exist.
Indeed
No, it's you not having real world experience of single gender groups of people.
They dillute and destroy the uniqueness and themes of SM, and do the same to Sisters.
If you want mixed gender super soldiers, SM is not the faction for it.
>They no longer would be the Lord of the Flies child supersoldiers/monks of 40k
Nothing about those has to exclude women.
>SM are not really heroes, they're monsters or anti heroes at best. Trying to make them into aspirational figures is stupid and misses the point.
You're stupid and missing the point.
Space Marines are the exaggeration of a male character to the extreme. Monsters, heroes, it's all the same. They're heroes in the more realistic world than cliche cartoons.
Trying to deny they're incredibly appealing as a model of maleness is just dishonest arguing.
This ties to why femarines are such an abysmally stupid idea, it undercuts the very premise of marines as paragons and breaks power fantasy.
Semantics. I used "heroes" in the sense that is used commonly in pop culture today.
Otherwise I mostly agree with you. SM are heroes in the same sense than Achilles or Ghengis Khan are "heroes"
>30%
It's over
I have seen similar polls int the past, and is always about 70-30, it hasnt changed.
Bet ya GW know it, image related
Honestly, frick that guy.
He was fine with the Gathering Storm and everything after it, yet fem'marines is where he draws the line.
Or he's just exerting whatever little influence he has, anon. You can't save everything and everyone when the storm gathers, but you can try to save what you value most.
Then that guy has fuccked up priorities. Preventing the addition of fem-marines is irrelevant because the setting has alreasy been sullied beyond repair now.
I work directly with people who's career is to have smoke blown up their ass, anon. When the Big Man gets a wild hair and decides he has the Best Idea Ever, all you can do is strongly advise against it followed by prepping the damage control once said Best Idea Ever blows up in everyone's faces. I can promise you some limp wristed simp tried to use Primaris to force femarines in and this guy was probably able to shoot that down even if he couldn't shoot down Primaris as a whole.
Besides, that's such a homosexual, b***hmade mentality of yours. "I can't save everything so I may as well just give up and cry instead of saving as much as I can"
>instead of saving as much as I can
Well the problem as you just pointed out is that you can only save so much, and that teeny weeny bit becomes irrelevant when compared to everything else that has been lost.
>that teeny weeny bit becomes irrelevant when compared to everything else that has been lost.
I strongly disagree that preventing marines from being completely upended and rewritten for the sake of muh diverse representation is "a teeny weeny bit" or irrelevant. If it was irrelevant we wouldn't be circling back to this argument time and time again.
It's also incredibly moronic to blame those who hold their ground for those that break ranks and flee.
They're already being upended and rewritten.
And this is another reason to stand your ground.
Then get out in the street and do it. Until then, we're taking 40K from you.
>admits that it was all just a pathetic attempt at demoralization
Lmao, knew it. That's what I get for debating in good faith with a wretch.
We can't. You always end up siding with terrorist groups like blm, you play victim, we are shot dead and no one gets arrested. I had no problem with homos and trannies until you all became insufferable pricks. You only have yourselves to blame.
And it hasn't worked.
>NYOOOOO STANDING YOUR GROUND DOESN'T WOOORK JUST GIVE UP ALREADY CHUUUUUUUDS
No.
Have fun with you consolidation prize while the rest of the setting is being pilfered.
>orks are fine, snaggas are alright and kommandos are fricking excellent
>SoBs are getting more love than they have in decades
>Ynnari have gotten walked back
>Trueborn DEldar soon
>Guard got plastic Kriegers, GW has hinted at more regiments getting models too
>kasrkins are back too
>Mechanicus is a faction instead of a single guard model
>Necrons haven't really changed since newcrons
>WE joins TS and DG
>Squats are back (a mixed bag for me personally, but some are happy about it)
>traitor guard and cultists getting some love
>Chaos Undivided/Unaligned is getting representation, a daemon prince, and a daemon to boot
What exactly is being pilfered here? Seems like that dude holding his ground has contributed to a consistent pushback and RETVRN to old ways
So true!! This is the golden age of 40k!!
It kinda is for people who actually own models instead of being a braindead tertiary obsessing over muh deepest lore.
The new models are soulless.
Owning models and painting them is part of the appeal.
And painting requires having some idea of any army.
Something like, I don't know, lore? moron.
Otherwise you can play Warhammer with caps, burgers and beer bottles if you want.
>you need to read 200 pages of subpar graphomania to choose between painting your muhreens blue or red
Now this is cope.
That's just expanding on the idea.
Ironically, it's only space marines that are in a rocky place from a models standpoint and it's largely thanks to the whole primaris nonsense. Eldar and nids could use some TLC and Deldar needs some replacements to all the resin they lost, but primaris was not the Normandy turning point you keep trying to pretend it was with your doomsaying histrionics.
>you're already losing, just give up, don't win small battles
weird way of convincing people
They've been egregiously updated and added to, not fundamentally changed at the thematic level. Yes, primaris were shit and a massive blow to the faction's flavor, but still a drop in the bucket compared to femarines. And again, you're seething about a middle manager doing as much as possible for...not just giving up and doing nothing instead?
>They're already being upended and rewritten.
No they really aren't. Primaris are just a new coat of paint over new marines, but they're still 100% the same just with even more brother vs brother conflict and daddy issues.
Why is diversity a bad thing?
Why is homogeny a bad thing?
Almost 1 hour has passed and there's no reply. When confronted with the opposite of the same question they always drop the subject because there's no bad things about it.
It's a question so dumb, only the most backwoods redneck in the middle of getting his ass ploughed by his father-brother while his mother-sister watches while cradling their three-legged stillborn would come up with it.
Making marines mixed gender actually makes them more homogenous and just like a zillion space troopers out there in fiction.
SM and Sisters are unique thanks to being single-gender only. There's also their deliberate medieval and retrograde themes that would also be dilluted making them oh so inclusive.
Sorry, I'm not actually part of this fake argument, I was just pointing out how dumb the question was when you were hoping you scored some kind of point with it.
Sorry I just didn't notice it.
The answer is that it's not, and female space marines don't remove it. They still have the same colour scheme just like guard regiments will. They are still homogenous. Unless you want to paint them differently.
>troll lays down bait on someone he knows is actually invested in the fake argument
Wow, you're really a piece of shit.
I answered the question, did you not want that?
Why is one preferable to the other, or better why do you care?
Why do you care that they're not diverse?
Diverse how? that's a broad question. I guess generally outside of specific situations it helps avoid planet of the hat scenarios, but sometimes planet of the hat is what's needed. Does that make sense Anon?
I don't understand. We already have female space marines. Is the name that fricking important? Do we need Ork Space Marines, too? Eldar Space Marines? Tau Space Marines? Where does this frickery end?
Having seen both sides froth at the mouth over this for years on end like it was a fricking religious debate, I no longer give a frick either way.
I genuinely wouldn't give a shit if it had been something from the 80s/90s they brought back like 15 years ago, or if it had always been that way.
The problem is what it would do and the shitstorm it would unleash on both sides. This board would be fricking cancer-inducing on a scale not even seen post-primaris, and so would every EpicNerdNews article about 'manchildren' and gatekeeping and shit. Then it gets to broader news networks and there's articles about 'toy soldiers no girls allowed.'
>Hey anon, didn't you say you did this stuff? Says here they don't allow women
>5,000,000th /tg/ thread about 40gay, rainbow warriors, le black peeple etc
No, because female space Marines don't fit the theme.
The SM are knightly orders of warrior-monks bound in spiritual and fraternal brotherhood. Mixed-sex Marines defeat the entire point of them.
No. I'd be okay with female ASPIRANTS, but the biological restructuring processes that convert them into a Space Marine also make the resultant Marine present as Male. Creating an Astartes requires a pre-pubescent individual as the starting block, so before Sexual Dimorphism is expressed within the Human genetic code - the resulting Marine would therefore experience 'Astartes' puberty rather then the Typical male or female variants.
Disgusting, no. No loopholes, or the troons will jump on it.
Every single Space Marine is already Trans, Anon. Transhuman Warriors. Astartes may present as 'Male', but is effectively a third (non-reproductive) gender.
kek this is the real reason troons want shemale marines, cause you gays think transhumanism is literal
Transhuman & transgender are different concepts
And with FSM then they will able to reproduce without normal humans, warping transhuman to posthuman
>And with FSM then they will able to reproduce without normal humans
No, because they will still be sterile as a result of their operations.
>No, because they will still be sterile as a result of their operations.
For thousands of years, normal humans that have trouble reproducing have searched methods to revert it and have families. With surgery capable of making astartes, what makes you think they would not search for solutions for that problem?
>what makes you think they would not search for solutions for that problem?
Well they didn't in the 10.000 years of their history, so why would they start after femmarines become a thing?
>Well they didn't in the 10.000 years of their history, so why would they start after femmarines become a thing?
With femmarines you got couples, and that tends to create families
Marines already interact with women regularly. If they had any interest in forming families or ormantic relationships, they would have done so. Women being or not being space marines themselves doesn't change much in this case.
>Marines already interact with women regularly.
Yes, totally the same as having females in the same species as them...
>in the same species
The difference between space marines and humans isn't dramatic enough to affect relationship dynamics.
>The difference between space marines and humans isn't dramatic enough to affect relationship dynamics.
There are lots of conflicts between normal humans and space marines for that reason, but sure, it isnt enough dramatic...
The conflicts are because space marines are fricking heathens who don't worship God-Emperor properly, treat their shitty primarchs with the same (if not greater!) reverence, and indulge in all sorts of barbaric, heretical rituals. Them looking a little different is the least of their crimes.
A common theme is that space marines are bastards who look down on normal humans
Do we even play the same game? Do you even have minis?
Do current marines occasionally get in gay relationships?
>Lion El'Jonson
>Lionel Johnson
Depends if you think they still have functional sex drives or not. If yes probably, if not no
If not and no, then female marines wouldn't change that, right? Therefore no couples, therefore no one trying to make them fertile again.
>liberal
>leftist
So you're saying you're dumb, politically illiterate, AND American?
Space Wolves literally ride their brothers into battle.
As far as anyone can tell, these people seem entirely asexual. After all, the Emperor wanted warriors. Frankly, that makes for a refreshing change of pace
>As far as anyone can tell, these people seem entirely asexual.
Space Wolves' failed dark space expedition, lorelet
Okay then, let's have female space marines but only for Space Wolves. That way we can centralize all the horrible ideas into one chapter
You know, SW is probably the only chapter where it could work, precisely because they've already been flanderized to hell, so shieldmaidens or whatever doesn't change anything
marines
>are not a seperate species but are genetical modified humans
>refer to each other as brothers therefore identify as male
>fight alongside sisters of battle who identify as females
checkmate troon
whoever said i was pro female marines? in pointing out a logic paradox they have.
If this isn't then you're a massive tard
If you want to make an ultimate warrior, why start with a woman? That's like trying to forge a sword from lead.
No, they're pointless. It would frick up the established lore to do so. There is already a female fighting force with good lore. The people that want fem marines are homosexuals and coomers. The only reason the former wants them is to spite long time fans of the setting.
Space marines poop inside their suits.
STINKY!
according to their OWN logic:
Space marines are a new Species after transfornation.
they have 1 gender, male. ergo making them nonbinary (not male & female)
ergo marines are trans(formed) nonbinary.
adding female marines is trans nonbinary erasure & ergo bigoted & transphobic.
Checkmate.
>Space marines are a new Species after transfornation.
>they have 1 gender, male.
Space marines are transorks?
According to their logic, apparently so.
As long as I can get male SoBs, I like their armour. I really dont see why people want female space marines, but not for anything else, I just dont get it. im not even oppose to it, I just dont understand why there is this big push for female characters in a setting like this.
>I really dont see why people want female space marines,
Because I want big-tiddy muscle mommy models which are:
A) legal to play in our ONLY LGS, which is a GW store, and
B) I want them to be as well supported as Space Marines with rules and releases, which means that no, SoB don't count, they have to be Space Marines since that's all GW cares about
Everyone ELSE gets their fetishes catered to in current year, so frick the lore (it can be rewritten, the same as it always has), I want mine catered to as well. Deal with it.
>I want them to be as well supported as Space Marines with rules and releases
Which they never will be. At most you'll get a head per sprue, but more likely you'll get a half-assed and overpriced upgrade kit every 5-8 years.
You should be trying to make GW to make Sisters more relevant and varied instead of fricking up what other people like.
>frick the lore (it can be rewritten, the same as it always has)
The lore about the nature of marines has been the same since 35+ years ago. It's a foundational stone of the setting at all levels. And the lore is very rarely "rewritten" since 2e, GW just keeps adding more stuff.
>The lore about the nature of marines has been the same since 35+ years ago
1993*
Marines in the 1987 RT rulebook were already male monk warriors, psycho-indoctrinated and with implants. Then in 1988-9 they got the full list of organs, geneseed, primarchs, etc.
With R3
Marines got T4 in White Dwarf #129 from 1990, reprinted in the Compilation book in '91
Exactly, as the female miniatures didnt sell and got rid of em, SM got flanderized into the biologically enhaced supersoldier they are nowadays.
kys you shitposting no life moron.
1993*
Just play Battletech, Black person.
Get yourself a Genetically Engineered Clanner Elemental Muscle-Mommy.
They can even frick, isn't that neat?
Maybe anon doesn't want to play a dead game. Ever think of that, boomer?
nignog that pic related is fully usable in a gw cuckshed, its only made of gw bits which is the only thing they give a frick about
Only if for every reference to them, a million israelites where to be put to the sword.
in fact, do that and I'll be fine with pretty much anything.
If they had it where they were like the Super Mutants from Fallout where the sexual characteristics are so heavily atrophied they looked just like the men, and played it up for the body horror, sure.
why do you want (not need) female space marines, exactly...
>Adeptus Sororitus are literally female space marines...
they are literally called "the sisters of battle", just like the Space marines are called "battle brothers". both are zealots worshipers of the god emperor. nothing is stopping you from playing them as a version of the same faction either
>eldar are literally armies of just all highly skilled female alien-elven warriors.
they are canonically in lore more skilled in squad on squad combat than space marines.
if you want feminist armies here they are, just play/kitbash these fricking armies you homosexuals.
>unironiclly KYS for this utter moronation... it's cringe beyond measure tying to force "new-wave" gender politics on a old/classic WG-TRPG
Much less forcing this bullshit on a game focused on dystopian space-age regression & medieval-esque gothic grimdark stylization. Expecially when such a game is deeply ingrained in older generational nostalgia and made well over 30 years ago in an age when crybaby behavior would get you bullied & your teeth kicked in for being spoiled & entitled c**ts.
bait for the bait god
trolls for the troll throne
They already exist.
Dante gets to have a gf, sounds good to me.
oh no, ive never seen dantes face, he looks like he devil might cry
nothing is stopping you from headcanoning your space marine army...
nothing is stopping you from kitbashing/modding your army...
>everyone who does this, doesn't tournament play anyway
nothing is stopping you & your friends from making your own bs lore/fan cannon...
>acting like your from BS there are girls under the space marine power armor
"there are no heros/winners in gothic grimdark fantasy, only anti-heros prone to tragedy who are always the villian's in another faction's/character's perspective/story."
If you want female space marines so badly then just convert/kitbash or 3D print them, anon. You don't need GW to spoonfeed you them or give you the lore go ahead do you?
Anyways Victoriaminiatures sells female heads and Anvil Industries sells not!sisters of battle heads that can work as female space marine heads if you want them so badly.
This is a correct opinion.
No.
I would sooner accept Transexual FtM marines than female marines
>I would sooner accept female marines than female marines
???
Do you MtF marines? Because slanbesh already has those
No.
lore can be changed, reationary
>sees marines are men only
>seething reaction ensues to force change
Who's the reactionary here?
Cope
>established lore can be changed
Found the moron
AoS already did that
Even went further and gave em boob plate
That's not a woman, that's an Alabama meth head named Wyatt Lester
Yeah, and see how that it worked out, the hordes of girls suddenly loving to see themselves as thos stormcasts and joining the hobby by the tens of thousands.
Wait no, they didn't! Wonder why...
Only if they wear bikini armor.
I wouldn't be too bothered by it, but it would still be stupid for two different reasons that can boiled down to the same line: "Why even bother at that point?"
In universe, it would be a bit silly to turn women into psuedo men just for a few extra space marines when you could have just used men to begin with and saved yourself some effort. Things would need to get significantly more desparate for that sort of thing to work. Like, the main Tyrannid force is finally here and they're even more numerous than the memes suggest kind of desperate.
Out of universe, it would be dumb because the people who want female space marines wouldn't be happy, since they're identical to men, and the people who don't want female space marines wouldn't be happy, because female space marines exist.
Would you believe me when I say majority of FSM beggers are trans?
Until very recently, Jain Zar was the only phoenix lord with a plastic model. And complaining about the lack of female representation in the eldar army. In the eldar army, for frick's sake!
I hate these people so much because their only goal is to piss people off and farm reactions on social media.
They have women, they are the sisters of SILENCE
Why even ask if you know it upsets people? It's like going "Would you be okay with me calling you a double-Black person if I only do it occasionally?" It's just prodding behavior and unnecessarily provocative.
There is nothing about Space Marines that would change with the addition of women. You can still have make marines, you cab still have them be masculine, you can still have daddy issues, you can still have brother vs brother conflict. Theh can still be monsters. They can still be child soldiers, they can still be zealots.
The thing is, female space marines have literally always been possible. What I mean by that is that this is a game setting, and there's nothing stopping you, if you wanted, to just say "this squad is wimmin". Gw aren't going to kick your door in and arrest you for going against the lore.
This push for female space marines for muh representation is such bullshit. It's not got anything to do with representation.
You can already make up whatever fluff you want for your army. Whether or not anyone else is okay with it is largely irrelevant, though if it sucks you might get laughed at.
only culture warrior morons give a single shit about defending space marines from being women. everyone complaining in this thread is a smelly virgin
No. I love sister of battle. Honestly as a idea they beat space marines to me.
no cause then sisters would be irrelevant
No they wouldn't.
The sisters' only defining quality is that they're women so yes they would.
There's nothing feminine about them except their curves.
> entire faction of religious nutters who believe so goddamn hard they can just say no to death, have strapped on heretics to walking torture engines to fight for the Emperor, have pipe organ tanks and literal angels
> Their entire thing is being women
So you don't actually play Sisters do ya?
I enjoy Warhammer because it lets me make cool models. And I like seeing other people's cool models. When people make cool looking lady space marines, I like it. When they make lameass female astartes, it sucks. It's all about the aesthetics.
From a fluff point of view the cursed foundings were subject to so much geneseed experimentation that I have no objection to some Magos, in some corner of the galaxy, trying to make women into space marines. Fiddling with geneseed so it makes girls into superhuman killing machines is less strange than "oh we fricked up your geneseed so all you guys just burn endlessly" or "the psychic flaw caused by your Primarch's brutal death? we're fixing that in your DNA."
>Fiddling with geneseed so it makes girls into superhuman killing machines is less strange than
As a loregay, I agree that there's room for that without even need for retcons. The problem is the end result. As I've said, it wold break core themes of the setting. Like the Imperium becoming a parlamentary democracy or something.
Stories like a coursed funding Chapter made of FtM marines hiding it from the inquisition, or a female chaos marine warband thanks to Slasnesh/Fabius could work. But the main SM and Sisters should be kept as they are.
>core themes
None of those themes are male exclusive. And they wouldn't go anywhere with the addition of women.
Yes they are, see
and
It would also delete Sisters of Battle. The point of both factions is being gender segregated.
If you want men and women fighting together, ask for more imperial guard, eldar, etc.
>The point of both factions is being gender segregated
I though the point of those factkons was that they're soldiers
Yes, gender segregated soldiers. It was a deliberate decision. Remember that unlike those the guard was already mixed since day 0 of 40k.
Sorry chuds. Science is settled.
Don't worry, GW is going to use the two lost primarchs and say that they were matriarchs, then create some stupid fluff about how one of them were rediscover and create an only female SM legion. This way, they can keep the males only from male geneseed and females only from female geneseed.
>The missing legions were Female Space Marines
>Got destroyed cause FSM's are too dangerous to be let live
>Tried to establish themselves as a new race or something by fricking other space marines
I still hate it but I kinda dig this angle
Women can't become space marines because the progenoid glands are super testicle replacements.
See
and
.
Just change testicle for ovary and they got it.
Why not change the warp to water, and then all the daemons will simply drown?
You mad?
I'm not saying that I want this change, but the lost primarchs are a pretty easy excuse for GW to make somenthing like that.
Why excuse it? They can do anything, it's a story. Most of that's really gay and stupid though. Why not give the eldar a baby boom and the orks discover high society tastes? They can just do that. But it'd be gay and stupid.
That makes marines gay
And?
That's lame
Na it's cool, like some sacred band bullshit
Sacred band?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes
Bro, 40k has always been super gay
Keep AoS and Fantasy out of your homosexual boylover mouths, unlike you keks I paint female and mixed units just fine.
>no female Bretts
>only cool frogs
Feels good man.
I have yet to hear a single argument as to why we should have female Space Marines, it just turns into a whining circle
It's said before, there is no reason for us, the only reason is for GW, only if they think that they are going to make more money.
no, they cannot breed by themselves anon
do you even understand what a supersoldier project is
Something that can go out of control easily
>People trying to use Cawl and Primaris as an excuse for women marines.
Cawl's Primaris Project was literally done via the Emperor's work and the organs implanted all designed by the Emperor, Cawl just figured out how to implant them. They all still work via Geneseed which is literally make coded.
Literally all GW needs to do is show sisters in an orange paintjob with the name 'Firewolves Sisterhood of Adepta Sororitas' and a page long story about them clearing a space hulk.
OP is just a dumb troon.
Trannies can't tolerate actual women anon, they want to force space marines to be women because it's perverting a male form to suit a female one.
It's not about representing women, it's about destroying men.
I don't want female space marines because it will make internet porn artists stop drawing sisters of battle completely.
Don't care. Paint your models however you want, call them whatever. Only thing that actually matters is base size, anyway.
Jesus Christ you people, touch grass!
I have watched /tg/ have these asinine pro/anti fem marine holy wars go on for about 20 years now with nothing new to meaningfilly add to the argument, I can safely say I no longer care, I can't even find amusement in spectating the arguments, GW could debute their nee femaris marines or whatever, and I would just shrug and move on at this point.
>I can safely say I no longer care
Why are you replying then?
>and I would just shrug and move on at this point.
Ok, move on, ciao, you will not be missed, grog.
>Oh shit oh frick I failed to make a single point!
>ACKSHULLY it's YOUR fault for having opinions and caring about things
God I hate post-ironic post-modernists. You can all go touch grass from the other side after you're six feet under.
no
If we get female marines i want them to be borderline softcore porn bait
I want them to be giant musclegirls with thin waists, sculpted abs and giant breasts. I want to them to have legs capable of crushing an ork skull clad in thigh-high power stilettos.
I want wild hair and luscious lips
If 40k was trying to be a serious setting then sure but its not.
No I wouldn't be OK because trannies would finally get their petty victory and proceed to dismantle the whole fictional universe with troony hysteria
Frick off Templin
No, because what this conflict is really about is putting another notch on the belt of the woke movement, and I want to deny those c**ts satisfaction whenever possible.
>I want to deny those c**ts satisfaction whenever possible.
You deserve each other
Every force creates an equal and opposite force, after all. When a great evil is a born, a great good must oppose it.
And that's why hate sex is a magical thing
No, because there's no point to changing it. It adds nothing, and it strips away the uniqueness of the Sisters of Battle, removes the marine ties to history as knightly orders of monks, and changes an established part of the lore.
Worse, it becomes a case of 'men can't have something that is uniquely theirs, women must be added to it in the name of equality' disregarding cultural and religious norms in-universe and denying that men might have a unique perspective on something that women would interact with differently given their cultural, psychological and biological differences.
Something being single gender only isn't necessarily a bad thing.
No. First off no submission to the shit head woke marxist whatevers.
Second we already have the female version in the sisters of battle and the silent sisters. Silent sister get sidelined enough as it is. Space marines are all male. Always must be. Frick off and just go use one of the female armies if you want females.
No
There's enough fricking space marines already
Stop giving GW excuses to put time and resources into YET MORE FRICKING SPACE MARINES
Did this guy never recover from his GF leaving him?
Sure, why not?
Can we also get femboy sisters of battle?
>female marines
:c
>more male ecclesiarchy models
😀
Challenge magazine is a different property.
listenhere you transgenitals its simple:
>buy some marines
>greenstuff some breasts on them
>paint them whatever color takes your homosexual fancy
good luck finding anyone without a mental illness to play against though