WTF. Just finished it, how did they frick up the ending this badly?

WTF. Just finished it, how did they frick up the ending this badly? Could've been an 11/10 but now I have no interest in the third game, has Nomura apologized yet? I mean you can kill Aerith and still do all that kabuki shit after and I'd be fine but I wasn't even sure she was dead and frankly I'm still not. Yeah I'm mad.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    someone console me, thx

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She's dead in the main universe, but there's another one where she didn't die. Cloud can see both universes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cloud is IN both universes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I just want to know what the frick Zack's deal is. They had the main one we were following since the end of Remake, then he gets split off into like three different timelines
        >Zack goes to save Biggs Biggs dies anyway and Zack jumps into the reactor
        >Zack tries to track down Hojo to fix Cloud Zack ends up Crazy Motorcycle Chasing
        >Zack just bums around the church because of indecision and gets Time Janny'd by Sephiroth
        Presumably the last one is the one that leads into Zack showing up at the end but that's very clearly not the "root" timeline we were following because Stamp is a Shiba and not a Terrier.
        Are the other Zack's gonna show up later?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Zack, Zack 'n' Zack on the cul-de-sac

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thats not right, because if he was he'd be seeing double of the rest of the party, as well as them interacting with her.

        It's schizo delusion, or bust.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Frick that multiverse crap. They shouldn't have tried incorporating all that extra spin-off crap, they should have just played it straight, no more, no less.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they should have just played it straight, no more, no less.
        No, they shouldn't have. If that is your plan then a remake has no reason to exist. Play the OG.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes they should have

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still can't believe they turned FF7's story about loss of loved ones, identity, and nature vs machines into this multiverse shit. It's just so ridiculously stupid it's almost unbelievable. And they sold it as a remake too, fricking over everyone who just wanted a faithful remake.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think it'd be fine if the multiverse shit was just Sephiroth changing fate and leveling up as a villain so to speak, guess it's not too late for that but they already fricked up big with all this Zach shit

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you're late, everyone agreed the ending is horrid, including the staff that worked on the game

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't tell the shills and people "who actually played" it, they can't stand the idea of someone else who played it and call out all the bullshit for what it is

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what did the staff say?

      [Spoiler]Who Let The Dogs out[/spoiler]

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Use crtl+s instead. This way, you'll never forget which way the slash goes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't tell the shills and people "who actually played" it, they can't stand the idea of someone else who played it and call out all the bullshit for what it is

      >the only arguments anyone has against this boils down to repeating the same "stfu boomer no one wanted a 1:1 remake" instead of actually confronting the problem, or they just theorycraft moron shit instead
      I don't hate the IDEAS at their core concepts, like Cloud potentially getting even crazier, and Aerith playing some omnipotent bullshit to counter Sephiroth is pretty much directly in tune with the old books that followed the game up. But holy frick, taking the single most iconic death in all of gaming and fricking with it to the point that the most poignant scenes are skipped over or written around is something Nojima and Kitase are NEVER going to live down.

      I wanted a 1:1 remake

      i guess i phrased it poorly, I mean defenders of this dumb shit keep doing that over and over where they try to argue that the game had to change. frankly I don't think it ever could've been 1:1 by sheer nature of Square-Enix, but it didn't need to be this

      Don't care, still saving Aerith.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >saving

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          post the real version

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the only arguments anyone has against this boils down to repeating the same "stfu boomer no one wanted a 1:1 remake" instead of actually confronting the problem, or they just theorycraft moron shit instead
    I don't hate the IDEAS at their core concepts, like Cloud potentially getting even crazier, and Aerith playing some omnipotent bullshit to counter Sephiroth is pretty much directly in tune with the old books that followed the game up. But holy frick, taking the single most iconic death in all of gaming and fricking with it to the point that the most poignant scenes are skipped over or written around is something Nojima and Kitase are NEVER going to live down.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wanted a 1:1 remake

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i guess i phrased it poorly, I mean defenders of this dumb shit keep doing that over and over where they try to argue that the game had to change. frankly I don't think it ever could've been 1:1 by sheer nature of Square-Enix, but it didn't need to be this

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >frankly I don't think it ever could've been 1:1 by sheer nature of Square-Enix,
          Okay not even 1:1 but look at Remake. I played the original for the first time in early March then went to Remake and all I wanted was for it to improve upon the flaws of the original. One easy one was fleshing out Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie since their deaths had no weight because we barely knew them. SE did that spectacularly. They even made us walk through the rubble of sector 8. They tried to flesh out the world and expand the characters and had they just done that and stuck to the story it would have been an unironic 10/10 from me rather than the 8.5 the original is.

          Instead they added time ghosts, ruining the first time you meet Aerith, fricked up the mystery of the sephiroth clones, fricked up the terror of sephiroth himself, all in the first hour of the game. They then spend the rest of the game ruining every major reveal, refusing to kill off all the side characters we met in the slums (enhancing the tragedy), refusing to even kill off the people that were supposed to die, and at some point you look back and wonder, "who asked for this?" This was a total unforced error. They could have done literally nothing and made millions easily.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hence why I said sheer nature of Square-Enix. Look at Crisis Core; people eat up the normal Zack, Cloud and Cissnei bits, the general story and Shinra related stuff that expands upon the original game mostly just fine, but then the moronic Genesis shit enters the fray, doing the absolute dumbest Gackt insertion it can do to the point of fricking with Sephiroth's entire fall to evil, and the Angeal stuff is hilariously overdramatic and unfitting to the original game's entire style and motifs.

            The time ghosts, the changing of fate, Sephiroth trying to merge the multiverse timelines of the Planet together, this is all some maximum conclusion of a horrific endpoint moronation that was already settled in stone many years ago and no one realized it until it slapped them in the face.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              at this point i just want full Kingdom Hearts crossover since frick it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This, if it ain't broke, PLEASE don't fricking "fix" it, and the original wasn't broke, it just needed visual modernizations

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Frick the books. Frick that spin-off piss!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yep. The idea in itself is ok but it should've been done in a different IP. Squeenix shot itself in the foot for thinking they are geniuses for adding complexity to an iconic moment in FF7.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even this isn't a valid criticism, because they aren't "fricking with it". They very clearly have the intention of showing it in the 3rd game with it have a deeper meaner than it initially did.
      Initially, Aerith's death had no deeper meaning other than Sephiroth just felt like it for the laughs. Now, Sephiroth has a motive for it, to evoke the "Confluence of Emotions", whatever the frick that is.

      The biggest issue is, just like Part 1's ending, they poorly executed the ending with a call of duty montage of barely interpretable scenes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They very clearly have the intention of showing it in the 3rd game with it have a deeper meaner than it initially did.
        I mean they straight up have Cloud flashing to his OG timeline version making the "she will never laugh or love" speech, they KNOW they're subverting the scene intentionally, never mind skipping over the water burial as if doing their absolute damnedest to make the scene disorienting and uncomfortable for veteran players. But the game was also heavily marketed towards NEW players, and to them, without the context of the original, these bits of messing with veterans are the most nonsensical bullshit that actually feel like parts of context and plot are entirely missing.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          agreed, even if they wanted to make a mess of it as they did you could save it for after doing Aerith's death correctly, sucks since switching to young Aerith was such a great moment and they were on their path to something great. Hell the old idea of just killing Cloud instead seems better.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Of course they KNOW, that was the whole point lol, which is what I just said. You're now acknowledging that you understand their intent but you're still upset.

          My point is, you should be upset that they poorly executed what they were trying to achieve.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Sephiroth just felt like it for the laughs
        I really hope you're not talking about the original.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nomura is a hack just like that other one

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nomura was downgraded to creative director for rebirth. he the guy in charge of telling people what the writers and director/producer want to happen and getting them to execute it in the way they want it to be. this is what happens when the residential tardwrangler gets demoted.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bullshit his fingerprints are all over it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's Square-Enix in general after the merger. Basically everyone left over from Squaresoft and those who took up the reins afterwards are all weirdly autistic dumbshit motherfricking morons that do all this crazy shit and have some eerily similar thumbprints. Out of all the VII shit, he only directed Advent Children and Remake, other people were mostly responsible for the rest of the Compilation and other stuff and he mostly stuck to creative producer, character designer and concept design. Nomura isn't 100% absolved of this, but he wasn't the one calling the shots.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sakaguchi deserves no respect and he backtracked on his opinions.
          RIGHT after this game he put his name on FFVIII, the first step into graphical realism.
          Then he goes on to direct Spirits Within (Also too much realism) and kills Squaresoft, leaving us with Square Enix.
          People who suck Sakaguchi's wiener are the worst. Your vaunted father of the franchise is the same man who fricking killed it in the first place. No man has done more damage to it than him. Not a god damn one. So tired of
          >AHH NOMURA
          >FRICKING NOJIMA
          >KITASE RUINED EVERYTHING
          >YOSHI-P IS A FRICKING HACK
          >TABATA RUINED EVERYTHING
          But you give this frick a free pass when he was THE FIRST TO RUIN EVERYTHING and the coward didn't even stick around to help clean up his own mess like most of the other people you tards shit on did.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >AHH NOMURA
            >FRICKING NOJIMA
            >KITASE RUINED EVERYTHING
            >YOSHI-P IS A FRICKING HACK
            >TABATA RUINED EVERYTHING
            >
            >
            >
            FRICK SAKAGUCHI
            Good. Now things will improve.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kitase was so good as a director and has been such a hack as a producer, it's a shame. I wish he would take up the director mantle again just to see if he still has the spark. He's only 4 years older than Nomura.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sakaguchi drank too much kool aid and thought he is some sort of auteur. It happens all the time in Japan.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            cope

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yea classic games are better like how zombie panic source is better than l4d

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just beat the game as well and am confused. Why show cloud saving aerith if it’s just a fake out and she is still dead?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      something something Reunion

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they either are going to save her, or they're not, and either way, it means people talk about it for the next 4 years because they made 1 game into 3 and stretched it out over a fricking decade.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tl;dr

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't care. Should have just remade the fricking game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just beat the game as well and am confused. Why show cloud saving aerith if it’s just a fake out and she is still dead?

        My best guess is that Cloud isn't seeing into another timeline, but he's seeing into the Lifestream. People noted that the tear in the sky is similar to a weird strand detail in the background of Cloud in the lifestream and his mind back in the OG FF7. So Aerith is dead, deader than dead, but when he sees Aerith "alive", he's seeing what is effectively her spirit speaking to him. So when Sephiroth does a world convergence, the Lifestream Aerith gets to personally step out and assist before going back to her state of death. Far as Cloud is willing to accept, he saved her, not realizing (or just in denial) over what really happened and he's literally talking to a ghost. Which is why Red XIII can "feel" her too, since he's got closer ties to the Lifestream and literally feels her presence.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I dunno. The timelines are definitely tangible things that exist. The two white materia proves that much at least

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I won't argue that, it adds a lot of ambiguity to things, but given how VII in general has worked in the past, I'm sticking to my theory since it pretty much lines up with everything we know of the Lifestream and how Aerith never stopped being "active" during VII and AC from behind the veil. She's likely in the same state Sephiroth is truly in: "dead", stuck and unable to merge with the Lifestream, so they're fricking with Fate and manipulating like two chess players going against each other endlessly until one overcomes the other. And the branching timelines where Sephiroth can eek out small victories to ramp up to a bigger one are probably his end goal of convergence to get around Aerith's interference.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            how is there two? the empty one is the same one that's filled at the end

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Cloud's holding the empty one in the ending. He gave Aerith a filled one that the Lifestream/"Omnipotent" Aerith gave him in the Forest prior to the Capital that he then gave to Aerith, which then sank into the water like the original game. The trade off is he accidentally kept the empty one without even realizing it, still oblivious to the purpose of either of them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We're going to get some bullshit fourth game aren't we?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly I can go without the BIG MATERIA sideplot that is some of the most pointless excuses for minigame padding around, and the way the world is designed, I can't imagine the submarine as anything more than a novelty, but then they surprised me with how much they did here. That doesn't leave a vast swathe of plot left for Part 3 beyond that since it was mostly "we got to the crater, oh frick cloud gave sephiroth the black materia and got washed away, weapons are now fricking shit up, lets get everyone back together, fix cloud's mind, raid midgar to stop what's left of shinra and then go fight sephiroth". and some frickin wutai along the way
                They have most of an entire world map to reuse now, so that'll probably significantly speed up development of the last part, but at this point I have to wonder what they can even do with it since it'd be hard to Metroid logic this entire thing besides "more sidequests".

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                alternate between Cloud World and Zach World

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Cloud takes one from one of the other universe (the KH1 intro scene bit), then main Aerith takes it from him and gives him her empty one in return. She then prays with that one and Cloud still has the empty one

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ok buy why are biggs and merc girl alive in Zach's timeline but wedge and jesse are dead?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      His brain hurts too much if he doesnt imagine her

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I felt Ganker overexagerrated on the ending being "terrible", I found it fine, especially with what's obviously the Jenova pretending to be Aerith in the last part of the ending.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how is it fine? you do a QTE with no failstate to save Aerith but not really

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you do a QTE with no failstate
        Like the original?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          dont ever respond to me again

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Twists are good by definition because they subvert expectations
        Anyone in the entertainment industry will tell you, the absolute worst thing that can happen to a consumer is not being surprised at any feasible opportunity

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the absolute worst thing
          But this is just wrong though. Sometimes it's nice to see a classical heroes journey story where good triumphs over evil. It's also satisfying to watch GoT, pay attention, and figure out the reveals before it gets revealed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >how is it fine? you do a QTE with no failstate to save Aerith but not really
        you didn't play the original

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          im just misremembering, but cloud doesn't save aerith at the last second is my point

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    671811998
    Do better.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >has Nomura apologized yet
    Anon, Nomura shills are WORSE THAN POKÉMON APOLOGIZERS.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They already lost a big chunk of their audience with the time janny nonsense in the first game. I can't even imagine what kind of creatures will stick around for Part 3 after this moronic shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm just here for the fated Tifa paizuri. It will be glorious.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't wait to see how they ruin the ACTUAL ending.
    Original ending is so kino, perfect mix of payoff and ambiguity, the remake will add a bunch of bullshit.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To be honest I liked the ending, and I'm the most cynical c**t in the world. There's definitely stuff I'd have done differently but I respect them for taking an iconic moment, teasing the player about it beforehand, then doing something that both plays with expectations and introduces an unexpected element. It's way better than the ending of Remake, which I think we can all agree was fricking stupid.

    What I really hate is the Temple of the Ancients. It's not the least fun I've ever had finishing an RPG (that goes to Tales of Arise) but it still felt like a chore and something I had to force myself through.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ok but what about people who are playing it for the first time? Not every 12 year old or even 35 year old knows Aerith dies

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure you'll sour on the ending over time just like you soured on Remake. Just give it time.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm worried after facing ten 50 foot tall Sephiroth heads in a row the (gay looking) Weapons are gonna be lame in comparison

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I liked the ending precisely because it is not the same as the OG. Remakes are absolute fricking cancer and I would prefer a remake not exist at all than for it to be 1 to 1. At least this I can enjoy as its own thinking without it trying to make the OG, which was already perfect, superfluous.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's not actually good, but it's good because it wasn't the same.
      Like clockwork.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the original ending was shit, a literal deus ex machina, can't wait for fanboys to justify it because of nostalgia when 7 Remake part 3 eventually releases

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jenova/Jehovah is a deus ex machina

      no shit, moron

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a literal deus ex machina
      ?
      Holy was the entire point though, although it wasn't god it was the magic shield they had been hunting for the entire time. Imo a deus ex machina is when the hand of the writer reaches into the story to save the characters. It's always some last minute asspull rather than the point of the story.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did we blame everything on Nomura again? I mean when did this start? He was just an artist.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He was director.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        see

        nomura was downgraded to creative director for rebirth. he the guy in charge of telling people what the writers and director/producer want to happen and getting them to execute it in the way they want it to be. this is what happens when the residential tardwrangler gets demoted.

        That's Square-Enix in general after the merger. Basically everyone left over from Squaresoft and those who took up the reins afterwards are all weirdly autistic dumbshit motherfricking morons that do all this crazy shit and have some eerily similar thumbprints. Out of all the VII shit, he only directed Advent Children and Remake, other people were mostly responsible for the rest of the Compilation and other stuff and he mostly stuck to creative producer, character designer and concept design. Nomura isn't 100% absolved of this, but he wasn't the one calling the shots.

        people just think he was in charge of all this stuff because he was director of remake. according to his own words of interviews leading up to rebirth, he was actually keeping kitase and nojima from doing even crazier things in remake, and some of those tethers clearly got pulled off this time, though the zack shit being awkwardly inconclusive and a waste of time kinda feels a lot like there was some internal debates and conflict mid-dev.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I remember them doing an interview where they said that definitively this is Cloud's story, wonder if they had to tell that to the people working on the game as well

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's Jenova fricking with Cloud

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