>WW "Do not worry, I will not kill you.

>WW "Do not worry, I will not kill you. I want to put an end to our suffering."
>ToTK "I AM EVIL BECAUSE I JUST AM!"

Why is Ganondorf so mismanaged? First Smash Bros and now his own series...

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not really worth putting much effort into story for a kids game. The target audience doesnt really appreciate it anyway.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        That was the result of a development team that actually cared, but the modern day state of gaming dictates that doesn't matter to the corporate overlords anymore

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        wasnt Miyamoto upset with LA? I could have sworn I saw some interview from one of the devs mentioning he Miyamoto was upset because how the story played out and wouldn't let him work on another.
        Perhaps I'm mixing it up with some shit post.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Zelda lost its soul since BotW, shitty open world trash for kids, both the gameplay and story/lore elements took a massive hit. This one quote has more character than the entire script of BotW+botW2 combined

      Hell, the first line of Twilight Princess mogs all of BotW2
      >Tell me... Do you ever feel a strange sadness as dusk falls? They say it's the only time when our world intersects with theirs... The only time we can feel the lingering regrets of spirits who have left our world. That is why loneliness always pervades the hour of twilight...
      Pure kino

      Bullshit, audiences loved all of these games
      >Wind Waker
      >Twilight Princess
      >Majora's Mask
      >Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
      >Mario Galaxy (Rosalina stuff)
      >Earthbound/MOTHER 2
      >MOTHER 3
      And so on, frick nu-Zelda, it's peak bastardization of a franchise, actually as bad as nu-GoW if not worse

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        BotW and TotK both do this weird thing where they're more heavily story-focused than most Zelda games with the flashback shit and the interpersonal relationships Link has, but it's all incredibly dull and one dimensional and amounts to nothing. The lack of a linear plot and the necessity that some or all of it can be skipped necessarily leads to a story that blows, I think.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I just wish video games would stop trying to focus on story so much. Even fricking Sonic Frontiers was really bad with it.

          Sorry, no, you're not going to write a piece of fiction that resonates with people and addresses topical and mature themes in a fricking Zelda game. That's not going to happen. Video games are a children's medium, stop trying to make them as anti-fun as possible.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Video games are a children's medium, stop trying to make them as anti-fun as possible.
            very happy to see haterdom still holding up in today's world

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Sonic Frontiers was bad with it
            >refuses to elaborate
            Frontiers did a pretty good job of working its story theming on the topic of ego and choosing the hard path for its greater rewards, into the gameplay. Having to track down the mandatory story fragments was a bit of a mood killer, but at least it happens at your own pace. How is it any worse than traditional games having cutscenes, which typically occur at set intervals?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >BotW and TotK both do this weird thing where they're more heavily story-focused than most Zelda games
          Typical Ganker dumbfrick take. You barely even get any story in BotW unless you actively look for it. Meanwhile, SS and TP do all they can to force you to take in its narrative. You people are idiots.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            nta, but he was literally agreeing with you.
            Lay off the monster bud. This is still just a Tibetan throat singing board, after all.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >actually as bad as nu-GoW if not worse
        I wasn't aware Link was a soiboy raising someone else's kid while squirrel gods mocked him.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >wasn't aware Link was a soiboy raising someone else's kid while squirrel gods mocked him
          None of this happens in GOW.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Please stop disrespecting my wife's son.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao zoomer.

        Zelda lost its soul past LttP, if you disagree you're literally a mindstuck tendie, go play some Onions of War.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          OoT is THE soulful Zelda you moron, you literally only chose lttp to be contrarian

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          LA came right after and it has more soul than lttp and most other zeldas lmao what the frick are you smoking

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        what I like the most about WW incarnation is that it implies Ganon's obsession with hyrule just brings about the death that haunted him in the gerudo desert. that's good characterization. ganon post-SS is just some demon god's incarnation. pre-demise ganon is just the devil king with an unbreakable will and crazed mind.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hyrule is such a wide open expanse of nothing but plains. why didnt the Gerudo just move on in? especially kinda stupid when Gerudo and Hyrule isnt even seperated by a great sea or anything. the Gerudos could very well have just packed up and moved to the fair plains. I dont think the Hyrulians wouldnt mind have a mini warrior dynasty bunk with them and defend their shared homelands.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          the king probably banished them to the desert because they like to rape and inbreed with the men
          or maybe the other way around and it was to keep the gerudo safe

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            they...they dont really rape do they? I thought Gerudo and Hylian relationships were consensual.... you are telling me Hyrulian citizens can sleep soundly at night knowing theres a tribe of abnormally large women just a few miles away that would abscond with them to steal their seed without any remorse or mercy???

            I thought this shit was a kids game? who the frick wrote that? WHY would they write that?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              What? Dude, gerudo are a massive deconstruction of the Amazon archetype, they're big warrior women but 99% of them are into girly shit and crave a husband and children to devote their lives to, most of them complain about the no voe rule and only go along with it because dykes like Buliara enforce it with an iron fist.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              The Gerudo raping is mostly a meme. They DO go out to look out for a husband and they are VERY traditionalist about their teachings but they are pretty loving as actual women, there is this one that can only think of her husband and can't see him because of the storm.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The Gerudo raping is mostly a meme
                > is mostly

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Risa-minded Gerudo give the rest a bad name.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I imagine they were raping Hylian males left and right in primordial times and during periods of war and poor relations between the Gerudo and Hylians, in BOTW they're in peacetime and it would be frowned upon I guess.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              They dance around the specifics with the Gerudo. We don't really know specifically whether the all-female thing is a result of them only being able to birth Gerudo (i.e. female) children or whether it's just only their female children can inherit Gerudo traits (while any sons they simply don't inherit any Gerudo features).
              To put it another way, say a Gerudo and a Hylian man have kids. Which is it:
              A) All of the children can only be female Gerudos
              B) They can have children of either sex, but only the girls come out Gerudo while the boys would presumably just be Hylian
              Obviously I'm ignoring the once-in-a-century Gerudo king thing, since that's explicitly an exception in either case.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Offspring are female Gerudo.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                They only have female, 100% Gerudo children except for the once in a century male.

                Is it actually specified anywhere? If that's the case, then there's good reason to keep them in the desert. They'd be a cancer on society in a very literal sense if they were mixed into the general population.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                lol. imagine your entire society getting dominated by amazoness warrior women. I mean males would probably get passed around like livestock at that point. imagine being clasped in chains and reduced to breed stock all because some idiot king had a great idea to let a neighboring tribe move in because he felt a bit bad for em.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It may state it explicitly somewhere but at the very least it is also handled like female Gorons. Just like the absence of female Gorons is made extremely conspicuous, there are loads of acknowledged Gerudo daughters but not a single mention of any of them having any sons.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't Gorons just grow from the ground?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think so, yes. Maybe as broken off pieces of other Gorons or something?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Gerudo's genetics suck, they will always be women like 99.999% of the time and hybrids aren't possible, only Gerudo will be the offspring. It's a tribe destined to extinction if this wasn't a game.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                ???
                >get raped
                >all the children are still 100% Gerudo
                >rape baby daughters get raped
                >same thing
                Not only are Gerudos extremely unlikely to go extinct, they could actually drive other races (and potentially all of humanity) into extinction without even trying.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                A tribe like Gerudo that isolate themselves will go extinct without even needing to be raped.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >that isolate themselves
                Bold assumption. It's entirely likely, probable even, that the Kingdom of Hyrule keeps them at arms length precisely to keep Hylian men fathering Gerudo daughters to a minimum.

                Eh, it's not exactly hard for a Gerudo to travel around for a while, ride the wiener carousel until she gets knocked up, and then go back to Gerudoville. Or more likely there'd be an encampment of guys with Gerudofever right on the road from Gerudoton hoping to score with any Gerudo babes who just want to hop on the first wiener they find.

                They're 7 foot tall Amazons. If they're really desperate, they can just steal men.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Bold assumption.
                Play the game. They literally don't let males in the fricking town.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                And yet they have no problem with them at the oasis. This is also assuming that that particular cultural practice just started up on its own in a vacuum at the beginning of time. If you were a tribe of nomadic rapists that got kicked out of the kingdom for demographically replacing its ruling population, would it really be all that unreasonable to keep your main base of operations off limits to your prey? You can't very well plan out seed stealing raids with the victims there listening in. That's even still sort of the acknowledged reason. It's not framed as stealing men to rape, but they do want to bring up Gerudo girls in the ways of their warrior culture seperate from the influence of the men they will be sent out to marry.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Eh, it's not exactly hard for a Gerudo to travel around for a while, ride the wiener carousel until she gets knocked up, and then go back to Gerudoville. Or more likely there'd be an encampment of guys with Gerudofever right on the road from Gerudoton hoping to score with any Gerudo babes who just want to hop on the first wiener they find.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                They only have female, 100% Gerudo children except for the once in a century male.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              They used to rape them in Oot and shit but it was changed in BotW to them roaming around looking for husbands

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          We would have to get into medieval fantasy politics in a game for kids. Its easier to just let it pass as the fact that they weren't allowed or something. Maybe the gerudo themselves were too prideful to do it.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Gerudo need to stay on their reservation or their fricked up genetics will throw off the gender balance, which would have consequences on society.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine thinking zelda is deep

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Zelda has always tried to be a hard T game that brushes up against M. Even Celda had mature themes that the cartoon aesthetic hides at first. The puzzles aren’t MENSA tier but they at least have correct answers, unlike modern Zelda that just gives passing grades for showing up. This Zelda is a baby game is the biggest cope you BotW homosexuals have spun yet. I’d tell you to stop being a homosexual it is clearly a terminal case. Hope you die soon.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The puzzles aren’t MENSA tier but they at least have correct answers
        You're just asking for someone to post that WW boomerang puzzle webm.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      but isnt it the same person (as opposed to Link who changes)? he's a deranged soul whose (weak) motivations lead him only down the path of destruction

      also this 100%
      the timeline is just shitty pandering to their aging audience of manchildren

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah, Ganondorf in BotW/TotK is a different one from the others

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Nintendo realized this with Iwata, why bother when your games are targeted at the 9-13 age demographic? Every game is simple and easy, all flash no substance.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ganondorf is kind of like the Joker. His characterization is entirely dependent on whoever's writing, and even then there's a lot of room for interpretation from the audience. Like was WW Ganondorf actually a tragic figure, or was he just bullshitting you?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      He was still evil but he had a justified reason for trying to cause chaos this time around I guess. Like him knocking Link out and outright saying he's not going to harm him kinda shows he really is tired of the reincarnation bullshit.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I want to put an end to our suffering.
        You are wrong. In WW he wants Old Hyrule to rise above the seas and be like it used to be. This ties into the the theme of clinging to the past that WW has going on. And then again, he proceedes to try and kill Link and Zelda, if only to shit on King, hence why he mocks them saying the line about showing him the precious power of their triforce.

        >Shows he really is tired of the reincarnation bullshit.
        What reincarnation? This is the exact same Ganondorf from OoT that committed all the atrocities in that Game. He was cucked by the literal gods and wants nothing more than to bring back the old kingdom.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I am right, you are wrong.

          Is TOTK Ganondorf the worst video game villain?

          Not the worst. Worst Zelda villain? Probably bottom 3 with one of the spinoffs

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It is OOT Ganondorf but remember in WW he goes by Ganon.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          How many Zelda games does the Triforce actually get used in?
          It's shown/referenced in several ways in many games, but I can't remember how many of them actually use the wish.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >He was still evil but he had a justified reason for trying to cause chaos this time around I guess.
        Not really, he was just an envious dipshit, people act as if him waxing poetic somehow gives him depth but in the end he was just being an butthole all the same, did the Hylians force the gerudo feminazis to self-segregate in a fricking desert? All other races were welcome so the gerudo were too, Ganondorf was just too much of a greedy c**t to accept that co-existence and just wanted it all for himself.
        Even now in the world of BotW/TotK, gerudo easily have it the worst for sticking to their pointless dyke traditions, sometimes you just can't help people who don't want to help themselves.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          that's why people like WW dorf. yes, he's an evil butthole, but he was an butthole with an obsession borne out of the harshness of the desert. it doesn't make him any less evil, it just makes it clearly it's a bit of his will that got him to where he was, but also a dark fate.

          but we got lmao demise now

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      He was just mocking them for believing in the Goddesses who flooded Hyrule just to seal him away. There's nothing terribly tragic about it except him theorizing that he coveted what Hyrule had.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >was he just bullshitting you?
      his response to getting free and having a second chance at life after being sealed away in the Sacred Realm was to do the exact same fricking thing he did before. And he didn't give a frick whose life he ruined in the process so long as he could fulfill his desire.
      And after all that, after the great flood, after countless years of nonstop plotting and scheming, he finally had the Triforce at hand, and what was his wish?
      "I want the old land for me"
      Like, okay, his life before getting the Triforce of Power sucked but that excuses exactly nothing that he did for his own lust for dominion and he certainly hasn't earned anyone's pity or sympathy. Tragic figure, yeah fricking right.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think it even makes sense for him.

        HUNDREDS of years and all he can think about is achieving his original, initial goal, it isn't that he's merely dumb, its that the goal has consumed his life, not even the anger of defeat or the hatred for good really remains in him by WW, its so long and arduous to maintain the drive that the goal is all that remains of the man.

        its why he doesn't even care about killing Link or Zelda, not till the goal is impossible that is, he has no reason to lie at this point, none of the other Ganondorf's would lie here either, but all of them would absolutely slaughter Link and Zelda in those moments and opportunities, hell he even puts his weapon away to knock out Zelda instead of just cutting her head off.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          and contrast that with king daphnes who sealed old hyrule for good so that the next generation can found their own land that isn't saddled with the sins of the past. it's a common theme in post-ww2 japanese fiction to not get obsessed with the past to the point you're getting in the way of the future.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes it's realistic

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >just bullshitting you
      I mean, he beat Link and Zelda and took the Triforce and left them alive when he could have easily taken a second and killed them both. He only tries to kill them when the King fricks him over and drives him mad stealing the Triforce at the absolute last minute.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The fact that the triforce works by first dips rules, is hilarious.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nintendo is hard pandering to young adults that are ironically into anime nowadays so having actual storytelling with any sort of nuance is off the table

    everything is gonna be xenoblade chronicles and fire emblem until the end of time, enjoy!

    like do you think they calling him the demon king is just a random name? no its because of isekai anime

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Xenoblade
      >Fire Emblem
      >"not nuanced"
      lol, lmao even

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >battle shonen anime with some "gameplay" between anime cutscenes
        >nuance

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're probably serious too.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >do you think they calling him the demon king is just a random name?
      I mean, yes? Isekai use it because they all base their crappy rpg elements from Dragon Quest and DQ had one. Besides, they are threating Dorf and Demise in this game as the same entity.
      And for the record, Dimitri's story is really well told and so are the Xeno games.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Adults don’t watch anime, moron.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      In the Japanese scripts, Ganondorf was always called the Great Demon King. The title is a staple in Japanese folklore, as opposed to only existing in video games. The English scripts gave him different titles for years, probably to avoid having "demon" right in his title during the moral panic of the 1990s, hence why he was the "Great King of Evil" in Ocarina of Time and the "Dark Lord" in Twilight Princess, though the latter was also trying to capitalize on the popularity of The Lord of the Rings film trilogy at the time, which even inspired parts of Twilight Princess' aesthetic.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is TOTK Ganondorf the worst video game villain?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      easily

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Meh, he really just lacks presence on the plot and the general plot is terribly told.
      Other than that, he is just your standard evil king, nothing really terrible.

      in ToTK Ganondorf is pretty cool in the opening cutscene when he awakens. After that though he literally sits still and does NOTHING in the main story until you fight him and he's just evil "HAHA!" again.

      In the memories it shows Ganondorf leading the Gerudo trying to take over Hyrule because....he's just evil okay? And he plays the ultimate 4D chess move of walking behind the Queen and punching her and then stealing her tear stone. That's it. That's all there is.

      This, Dorf in the intro is really damn cool
      >Casually arm-rapes link
      >Breaks his master sword
      >Gets a cut from the master sword shard, still calls it a joke
      Really good stuff, but then again, he does nothing for the rest of the story.
      >Your master sword, it did not cut deep enough

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its really stupid that they came up with a new Ganondorf...just for him to run through the general same OoT shit, just without a Link around to stop him, and have him be one-note evil.
      Would have been better to just say he was OoT/TP Ganondorf if Tears was not going to bother giving him any real character

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        the whole game is a retreading of OOT.

        not just Ganondorf.

        its OOT for a new age, time has effectively looped back around.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      A boring villain is not as bad as a completely moronic villain. Ganon is just bland, but not offensive.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's at least better than the one in BOTW. I don't remember shit about that one besides it being one of the easiest boss fights ever.
      I have no idea what they were going for with ganon in TOTK. His story initially makes him out to be a little more grounded in reasoning, but all he does is hurl waves of shit at his enemies then does a baby tier sneak attack. He should've been more like Windwaker Ganon

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Zelda looks like a woman in that webm

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        you are clearly gay, and also homosexual, and a lover of men if you had any to love

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      B- better than rollslop, at least!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even if you don't cheese him, Phantom Ganon is really easy compared to other mini bosses, and feels like a victory lap if you manage to kill those fricking rape hands in the first place. Feels like they tuned him to show up more often as something low-level players might have to deal with, but instead he only appears after killing an enemy that no one in their right mind is going to try attacking until they're good and ready.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Hyrule Castle Version is a decently fun and can get a couple hits out of you, having to deal with many of them, specially when they start trapping your summons.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        the hands are real easy if you spam bomb arrows on them, but yeah fighting them normally is a huge pain in the ass that mostly consists of mashing attack, mashing out of their grabs, and hoping you kill them all before they start respawning.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        phantom ganon is there to get you used to ganondorf's moveset for the final boss.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP pretends all incarnations of ganondorf are the exact same when the series had nothing resembling a timeline until fricking skyward sword.
    How tiresome.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >OoT
      >WW
      >TP
      Yes they are literally the same Ganondorf? Did you play the games or was watching them on youtube enough for that post?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Three games out of a series older than you and I. I will not be taking any further bait.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I love how in WW he drops Dorf from his name because he has already transformed into Ganon once in the Adult Timeline.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not true. In the earlier games you only knew Ganon, then in LTTP a guy says that Ganon used to be a human named Ganondorf, and OOT expanded on that by show Ganondorf before he became Ganon. After that it got all convoluted because Ganondorf made such an impression he kept coming back and getting sealed away and all this convoluted timeline nonsense happened where they wanted to tell self contained stories, but didn't want to think about what Ganondorf was doing for all those hundred of years between games so now apparently there's different incarnations of him.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        its very simple.

        Time Travel.

        OOT creates 3 obvious possible futures all at once, the games that follow it loosely can fit into one of them each.

        WW Ganondorf is not connected to Twilight Princess Ganondorf in any way, they are the Same Man only in that they had the same origin, but time diverged and they lived different lives.

        for instance, TP Ganondorf never met a Link/Zelda who opposed him at all.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          there's the world link saves and the world that goes on after he opens the gate, what's the third again?
          The one when he's sent back and brings to MM?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Link fails, link succeeds and goes back to being a child, and link succeeds and stays adult

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              He doesn't stay as an adult.
              The adult timeline is the future link left begind. WW intro is literally about people waiting for a hero that never came.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            the timeline where he fights Ganon and wins as an Adult.

            the Timeline where he straight up dies/and or/ never fights Ganondorf/Ganon at all.

            and the Timeline where as a kid he rats on Ganondorf and he gets locked up before any of it can happen.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Adult timeline, Link beats Ganon, is sent back in time and no one is there to protect Hyrule
            >WW and its sequels happen
            >Child timeline, Link after beating Ganon and being sent back in time, has Ganondorf arrested of treason and sets off to find Navi
            >MM happens, and then TP
            >Link fails timeline, Link, at some point in his adventure, fails.
            >LoZ happens, then Adventure of Link

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              timeline, Link beats Ganon, is sent back in time and no one is there to protect Hyrule
              I never got this one. Ganon is defeated, so how the frick did he conquer hyrule right after Link is sent back? If WW dorf isn't the same one from OOT, then how come a new hero was never born generations later? Moreover, why the frick would Zelda [or Link] knowingly go through with this plan if it spells doom for Hyrule immediately afterwords?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                In adult timeline, he is sealed in the Sacred Realm by the sages. Ganondorf swears he will escape it, which he does generations later when there's no Link to stop him. WW Dorf IS that Ganondorf.
                Zelda and Link didn't know Ganondorf could actually escape,

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I thought sealed sacred realm dorf was twilight princess

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, TP Ganon is from the Child Timeline where his plan of treachery gets exposed and he's sentenced to death

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, Dorf was going to be executed in TP.
                That fails so they throw him into the hylian dumpster that is the twilight. That backfired spectacularly as Dorf made contact with an incel that was bitter because he wasn't rewarded properly.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >no timeline before SS
      >ALttP was marketed as a prequel hence the name
      >OoT plays out the events of the imprisoning war described in ALttP
      >WW continues after OoT, as does TP
      I'm so tired of seeing this moronic fricking post in every single Zelda thread. There was always a timeline, you just started with OoT and never caught onto it.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >hence the name
        It's called Triforce of the Gods in Japan.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing in TotK was as powerful as this.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tears of the Kingdom Ganondorf is a wholly new being/reincarnation.

    WW Ganondorf had hundreds of years to muse on his failings and get a bit more humble.

    ToTK Ganondorf does not, is far more powerful, and from his perspective has been just recently empowered, even if he spent 10k years sealed away, to him it was a blink of time

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      OK ? That doesn't justify shit characterization. A character can be evil and interesting, TotK Ganondorf is not, his dialogue is shit, his actions are boring, he just behaves like a Saturday morning cartoon villain, he's a joke.

      Nothing in TotK was as powerful as this.

      >that cinematography and voice acting
      Absolutely mogs BotW2 without any voiced dialogue, holy frick nu-zelda is TRASH

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        he's literally a fricking Demon's will reincarnated as a man.

        he IS a mortal stand in for the LITERAL CONCEPT OF MALICE AND EVIL ITSELF.

        he's Archetypical to a high degree, as is Link and Zelda, they are Hero's Journey archetypes embodied.

        you think your making a critique here but you're moronic, the entire narrative function of each game in the series is humble hero faces abyssal evil and triumphs.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Demise and basically everything from SS is the absolute nadir of Zelda lore and world building. Frick Hylia in particular, we had a nice little pantheon of three already firmly established.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            yep. OOT's solidified ganon as a snake with an obsession. drew so much evil within himself by sheer force of will to become the bad guy. but again, anything past skyward sword is "lmao demise".

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You just said "he's evil" again. Explain what's well executed about his character.

          Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter is evil and is also a brilliant character because he behaves like a person, has great dialogue and drives the plot in interesting ways (with his allegiances changing constantly depending on his goals, sometimes allying with or opposing the protagonists). TotK Ganondorf has shit dialogue, shit characterization, does basically nothing and is a fricking laughing stock.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter is evil and is also a brilliant character because he behaves like a person
            Jesus Christ...

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >casually chills with his friends and the protagonists
              >asks girls out on a date
              >has a libido and testosterone
              >has his own goals, interests, etc
              >never behaves comically evil despite being a villain, will join whichever side suits his goals

              "Evil" isn't synonymous with shit character, TotK Ganondorf is shit because he's poorly written as an evil character.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter is evil and is also a brilliant character because he behaves like a person,
            Gentlemen...

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh no, he is a huntertroony...

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I haven't read HxH in years and the recent volume lost me at the flashback, that was just the first character that came to mind when I thought of "well written evil guy". But I was something of a Hunterchad back in the day. Still not sure why you're samegayging like that's going to make TotK Ganon less shit.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            he isn't a fleshed out character, he's The Dragon, he's Evil Incarnate.

            he's Archetypical, as is Link.

            Link is Perseus and Hercules and Gilgamesh and ect ect.

            these characters literally cannot be too nuanced, they are stand-ins for heroic and primordial archetypes from ancient history and resonant with humanity since time immemorial.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Nah, he's a shitty cartoon villain with bad dialogue. Perseus and Hercules and Gilgamesh have origins going back thousands of years and are rich in cultural and literary value.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon.

                I think you are just really fricking dumb.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody said he was particularly "well executed". Maybe a few anons said that about WW Ganon, but in MOST of his appearances he is just a pretty simple purely antagonistic force. To say that Ganon is uncharacterized and too black and white while ignoring that the heroes of the story are 100% the same (but good) is kind of silly. With maybe the small exception that Link has possibly a mischievous streak, and Zelda has a tendency to be unsure of herself. Still pretty one-dimensional overall.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes all of the characters in BotW and its sequel are shit, unlike prior Zelda games, that's what's being criticized in this thread. TWW Ganon was a great character, TotK Ganon is a stereotypical Saturday morning cartoon villain.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I guess. But while I will concede that Saturday morning cartoon villains actually typically do have more personality, clearly TotK Ganon wasn't meant to have much. I'm not saying it's a good or a bad thing really. Would have been nice if he got more, but this coming from a series where he was once a vague pig monster with literally zero personality. You really shouldn't expect him to be. WW and TP was the only time he ever really had anything going on.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Please, Zelda has never had the kind of extreme deep meaningful shit you claim it does and demand. OoT Ganondorf is just as one-note and flat as TOTK Ganondorf, but I'm sure you praise him as the pinnacle of characterization.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                bro ww ganon was lying to you
                he's still in evil homosexual

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                bro ww ganon was lying to you
                he's still in evil homosexual

                You're both speaking hyperboles.
                TOTK Ganondorf was a fun villain as a force of evil, WW Ganon was not lying, he spares Link and Zelda is treated extremely well while in captivity. That's what makes that a more human take on Ganon, not merely his words (BOTW's Gerudo desert suggests that he spoke the truth, given that you can die from the heat during the day and die from the cold during the night.)
                Not to mention, he has ZERO reason to lie to Link, who he had bested twice even with the fully powered Master Sword.
                Link in WW is a complete underdog, he never defeats Ganon until it's literally wished upon the triforce that Ganon loses, in their final fight Ganon is defying the power of the triforce, the very power that created their reality, it was hopeless and he must have known that.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not everything needs to be as deep and thoughtful as Neon Genesis Evangelion to be good and entertaining. Do you piss and moan at A New Hope because Darth Vader doesn't tell you his life's story and why he covets The Force?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >eva
              >deep and thoughtful
              >the series that wears all its theming on a surface level and doesn't expound on them past meaningless anti-symbolic use of imagery
              Pseud

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >dude who became a hunter to be able to murder unpunished and does shit on a whim
            But he gets a boner from time to time, great character

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            tvtropes and wiki warriors have ruined literacy

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hisoka isn't evil, he's sick. ToTK is fricking garbage, though, and so is GDorf from the game. You can't compare Zelda writing to HxH writing. It's like comparing shit to a diamond.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah WW would have been better if, right before Link sunk the master sword into Dorf's head, Ganondorf just yelled out, "OH MY COVETED WIND" then the wind blew the master sword away and ganondorf yet lived.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Huntertards really can't help themselves.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >we have another SS sperg in the thread
          All that shit is a retcon that came years after WW. It is not valid to say that WW's interpretation of Ganon contradicts a game's canon which did not exist until a full decade later.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >All that shit is a retcon
            More than that, the interpretation that Ganondorf has no free will is wrong even with a post Skyward Sword interpretation of the character. Demise's curse is about the inevitability of conflict through mutual hatred.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Man, good point. Why do people go to such great lengths to excise potential for agency?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Ganondorf is the favorite character of some autism, and he wants him to be redeemed at all cost and team up with link like in his fanfiction.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I guess I should have known all of these "what happened to ganondorf" threads were created by the same schizo. Ive been staying out of them until now to avoid spoilers

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                If anything that makes even less sense why people try so hard to rob him of his agency - what made him a tragic villain in WW wasn't his sob story, it's the fact that he came so damn close to uniting the Triforce bearers (albeit through questionable means), and very nearly could've done the right thing and broken the cycle. But then he apes out and falls back on his old habits, ensuing in tragedy, unnecessary conflict, and his eerie death. This tragedy is what motivates people who want to see him redeemed, so why would they actively attempt to justify why he might lack agency and be unable to find redemption?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are a WWbaby, you were dumb then, and you are now, there are 5 games before WW. He always has been an evil petty c**t and nothing more and none of your fedora headcanon will ever be real. Ganondorf is satan, the goddesses are not evil and flooding the world is shown as a literal mercy kill, ganondorf is that bad that virtually destroying the world is the best scenario as letting him rule and again those 5 games that precede WW show that statement is true.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      WW Ganon > TP Ganondorf

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone have a link to that big blog about the breakdown of Ganon's relation with Malice and Demise cuse?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh man second this I haven't thought about that in years. shit is probably outdated now

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >says one throwaway line about jealousy while continuing to act in a comically evil manner
    >idiots pretend he's well written
    I like WW, but you're an idiot.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      wind waker ganondorf was in a unique literary position, given the circumstances of the plot, where he felt like all of hyrule had been slighted by the gods, redirecting his grudges and hatred more directly at said gods rather than the people of the great sea. WW ganondorf believes his desire to bring back hyrule to be genuinely altruistic, and he feels a level of kinship with the other people of the great sea, in his own fricked up way. this is why he consistently goes easy on link, and why he isn't just conquering the shit out of everybody like he very easily could have. in his mind, he is fighting against the tyranny of the gods.

      that what he is doing is so evil despite the previous statements is a testament to ganondorf's villainy and psychopathy.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >this is why he consistently goes easy on link
        HE THREW HIM INTO THE OCEAN TO DIE AND WILL KILL YOU IN YOUR FIGHT AGAINST HIM AS PUPPET GANON BEFORE HE EVEN HAS A CHANCE TO GET THE TRIFORCE
        YOU WILL GAME OVER FIGHTING HIM, HE HAS EVERY INTENT TO KILL

        HE CURSES THE GREAT SEA

        DID YOU PLAY THE FRICKING GAME

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >HE THREW HIM INTO THE OCEAN TO DIE
          he kicked out a trespasser. that involved chucking him into the ocean because he's a bad person
          > WILL KILL YOU IN YOUR FIGHT AGAINST HIM AS PUPPET GANON
          you're chasing him down in an attempt to kill him, at that point it's self-defense.
          >HE CURSES THE GREAT SEA
          to spite the gods

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            GANON'S A GOOD BOY
            HE DIDNDU NUFFIN

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              at no point did I say ganondorf was good, the point is that ganondorf is evil no matter what his motivations are, with WW being a testament to this.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ganon broke the NAP by kidnapping Aryll, "kicking out a trespasser" my ass.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Link should have gone through the appropriate legal channels and filed a complaint. An appropriate conversation was due, calm and civilized, but Link let his emotions get the better of him and ruined all chances of negotiation.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >HE THREW HIM INTO THE OCEAN TO DIE
            Didn't know Link was the reincarnation. Also to be fair Link broke into his fortress, he had the stand your ground law

            >HE CURSES THE GREAT SEA
            He curses the great flood that killed hundreds of his people. He was in the right.

            Nice try Nayru

            He kidnapped people and started all of this, you samegayging moron. His monsters fricking attack people on the ocean. Even undoing the flood at the very least will destroy the current way of life for people living on the Great Sea. A sword through the skull is exactly what he deserved for all of the shit he did in WW and OoT.
            >he kicked out a trespasser. that involved chucking him into the ocean because he's a bad person
            To rescue his kidnapped sister. I hope you're just a decent troll because this would be insane levels of over-analyzing a story to get a brainlet opinion on it.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >calls people brainlet
              >too moronic to understand the point is that ganondorf is inherently and unfixably evil, even when he can logically explain his actions or views his deeds as mutually beneficial
              people like you are why villains are generically evil with zero depth, completely incapable of understanding nuance.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                The point is I don't give a damn about his reasons or actions, he's evil regardless. The ends don't justify the means and he's a crybaby homosexual and Ganker probably just relates to that, I'm making fun of his idiotic fanboys.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >HE THREW HIM INTO THE OCEAN TO DIE
          Didn't know Link was the reincarnation. Also to be fair Link broke into his fortress, he had the stand your ground law

          >HE CURSES THE GREAT SEA
          He curses the great flood that killed hundreds of his people. He was in the right.

          Nice try Nayru

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thinking it's okay to kill Link if Link is a random child, rather than a prophesied child, is perhaps even worse, anon. Also, Link was there to rescue his sister, who the Helmaroc King abducted. As for the curse on the Great Sea, Ganondorf LITERALLY curses the Great Sea with an intense storm and an endless night.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is pure fanfiction, this is how YOU want the story to run in, but the game makes it painfully obvious that flooding the entire world is a better option than letting him rule it and since people actually play the rest of the game sunlike you, everyone knows that is true.

        You want this to be some jrpg fedora cliche about killing god because man > god.
        Ganondorf have always been a power hungry butthole who needs to have things his way or everyone dies, the only difference in WW is that he is old, tired, and he actually succeeded and is not as rabid as TP who was 100% wienerblocked.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        What the hell are you talking about? He openly admits his motivations were envy and the desire to rule what he could not have. That is not altruistic at all.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          There are sensible motivations, you know he is doing it more out of personal ambition than making life better for his gerudo subjects.

          Neo-ganon is just "evil monster" which honestly would be fine in his monster pig form, but you really can't give him reason and then have him just evil for the sake of evil.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I havent done the finale of totk yet, but it doesnt really seem like ganon has really said anything about his motivations. Unless I'm missing something, this is exactly how Oot gandorf was portrayed, and that ganondorf was the same one as WW ganondorf. Now that I think about it, TP ganondorf is very similar to this as well. Youve really just latched on to this one appearance of the character and refuse to let go, huh?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Better written than the immediate next two incarnations. TP Gannondorf is quite literally the most generic incarnation and Demise gave a stupid justification for the Status quo they barely acknowledge even now. I can't believe people are trying to prop ToTK as the worst now, he might not be the most interesting but he's not that bad as TP where he shows up the tail end of the game after you killed the original Villain that had some actual interest to him.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ywnbaw

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everything about modern Nintendo is mismanaged.
    Zelda will FOREVER be Fortnite
    Accept
    Adapt

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a different story they're selling. WW Ganondorf is the man who was hated by the gods.

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Completely different universe and story. Not the same dude.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The first ten seconds of the game prove you wrong, moron.

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is undoing a cataclysmic event evil?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      the cataclysm happened because it was better than what he wanted to do.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      When Ganondorf got his way, Hyrule was a desolate zombie filled wasteland, and it's only downhill from there. Life still carried on after the "cataclysm" and even prospered in some cases.
      So why is it evil? Well it wouldn't be of his only goal was to stop at restoring the old world. Except Ganon is defined by his power and ambition. There is no way he would stop there.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      God(s) = good
      Get this through your thick skull, Satan.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I never realized how fricked up WW intro was as a kid
    >Ganondorf breaks out of the seal and is implied to have caused death and destruction again
    >the people of Hyrule beg and pray to their gods to save them
    >they fricking drown them

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are such gods worthy of worship? I think not.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wasn't this, 'coincidentally', the last game that Din/Nayru/Farore are directly mentioned as worshiped gods in? Perhaps the people of Hyrule turned from them completely after the drowning to praise 'Hylia'?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I miss the golden goddesses.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        golden goddesses are zonai now 🙂

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are such gods worthy of worship? I think not.

      Based and Ganonpilled
      >What did the King of Hyrule say? ...That the gods sealed Hyrule away?
      >And they left behind people who would one day awaken Hyrule?!
      >Don't you see? All of you... Your gods destroyed you!

      HOLY FRICK this was kino

      Just nuke BotW already and bring Zelda games back please

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Our days are done. Money talks and the millions brought in by BOTW expect Zelda to be BOTW now. The most you can hope for is that they keep improving on the main content design.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          it would be sensible for them to develop a parallel series of zelda games in the traditional style, even if they were only 2d or something. nintendo definely have the resources for that at least

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I want them to make Zelda 2 but not shit.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            This has been my dream ever since a link between worlds. My only last piece of copium is that LA on the switch was to keep the 2d momentum going until they have a dedicated team for this

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            They most likely will do something like this since that's what they've been doing. If I had to guess, we'll probably be seeing either something like a Zelda 2 remake, or a more "serious" Ocarina of Time remake. It's bad news if they keep pushing out their "BOTW" games one after another.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Open world games are expensive and take forever. And normalgays are fickle. X but open world won't continue selling games forever, and when it stops working it will not just be wise but outright necessary to stop making them because they won't be worth it. Unfortunately, this could take 20 years to be fully resolved.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I never really thought about the fact that all the happy characters during the credits of OoT only had a short brief of hapiness and relief before ganon broke out again, did horrible things to hyrule yet again and then everyone fricking drowned from being flooded

      WW kind of just makes all the characters you saved completely pointless. If Link died during the ganon fight, it wouldve brought upon ALTTP link which is a much better timeline

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah they lived happy lives. it says they lived for generations until Ganon broke out.
        Their grandkids tho? Frick em

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm just happy with Link x Malon <3

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Huh? Malon? Oh you mean Medli!

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, there is no specified time between the end of OoT and WW's prologue. For all we know, it could have been hundreds of years.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They actually prayed to the Hero of Time before praying to the Goddesses which is the sad part. He's in a completely different timeline thanks to Zelda, lamenting over the fact that he couldn't be in the era where he was known as a savior.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      When the goddesses took action, they froze time and instructed the people who hadn't yet been killed by Ganon and his army to flee to the mountaintops, at which point the Great Flood began.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't played TOTK yet. Is Ganondorf actually lame in it or is it just contrarianism? The marketing seemed to focus on him a lot, so I expected him to at least have something interesting going on.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      in ToTK Ganondorf is pretty cool in the opening cutscene when he awakens. After that though he literally sits still and does NOTHING in the main story until you fight him and he's just evil "HAHA!" again.

      In the memories it shows Ganondorf leading the Gerudo trying to take over Hyrule because....he's just evil okay? And he plays the ultimate 4D chess move of walking behind the Queen and punching her and then stealing her tear stone. That's it. That's all there is.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Meh, he really just lacks presence on the plot and the general plot is terribly told.
        Other than that, he is just your standard evil king, nothing really terrible.
        [...]
        This, Dorf in the intro is really damn cool
        >Casually arm-rapes link
        >Breaks his master sword
        >Gets a cut from the master sword shard, still calls it a joke
        Really good stuff, but then again, he does nothing for the rest of the story.
        >Your master sword, it did not cut deep enough

        what are you homosexuals going on about, the totk intro was awful. a classic example of "show, don't tell" being utterly ruined by moronic and unnecessary dialogue. everything ganondorf said in that scene would have been better elsewhere

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does WW happen before or after TotK? It would make sense if Ganondorf was a dickhead in TotK only to want to eventually stop this shit in WW.
    This probably isn't the case however, BotW pretty much is set so far in the future that all other games are all legend now I think.

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Your gods cause a great flood
    >Gorons basically become extinct
    >Zoras, in a cruel twist of fate, evolve into fricking birds
    >Majority of people drown and died until only a handful on some islands were left
    >Gerudos are actually gone. Dead. They are not in WW at all I just realized holy shit.
    >To top it all off, Ganondorf, the reason they did all this, is still alive and kicking

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not like the Goddesses were ever really characters, but holy frick was that messed up. Like, seriously? Was adult OOT a few prayers away from them wiping out everyone, without a second thought or feeling?
      If this was some kind of Metal Gear franchise, then perhaps we could have some kind of anti-villain-hero monster of Gannondorf who, while absolutely wrong, wouldn't be entirely off base in fighting a war against the girls so long as he believed in some kind of liberty for all mortals and stuff.
      But that's never been Gannon and never will be. John Cygan is not going to come back to life and VA for him. There has never been and never will be anything sympathetic about Gannon.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well they're plentiful in Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks so it's just all the ones in Hyrule that drowned

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even in Windwaker he was kidnapping little girls and killing them.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah he wasn't killing them but he was kidnapping them to try and find Zelda.

      Still fricked up tho.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      He very explicitly wasn't killing them,.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      He didn't kill them, but he probably would've killed Zelda if he actually found her and got her triforce. Not to mention he was ruining everyone's lives on the islands anyways. Dorf had exactly one good line of dialogue in WW, and even that line completely clashed with his actions so either Miyamoto is awful at writing or he was just bullshitting everyone again.

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wind Waker was before they decided Ganondorf really was going to be a main fixture from then on. It was only his second appearance and as such you could think of it as a direct follow-up to his OoT iteration. TP and ToTK make sure that Dorf is geared more towards longevity so the character never has to change and can be used however many times they want.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      What are you talking about he’s been in all the main Zelda games

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    HEY MORTY I JUST COVETED THE WINDERINO MORTYYYYYYYYY IM DEEP GANON BUUUUUUUURP MORTY

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do I feel so sad

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because you're starting to realize that everything is fricking terrible, and we live in a foundationally broken world? Because you realize that your experiences are unexceptional, and your suffering exists to better men that fricking hate you? Because you realize that you've outgrown the things you once loved, and the world is too degenerate to offer you anything new and meaningful? Because you realize that we've explored all there is to see, answered every philosophical question, and told every story that could possibly be told?

      Haha I wonder why you're sad. Haha.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt that point. I hate thinking about my childhood

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well just remember that all bad things that happened to you in childhood was predetermined. If you were molested or beaten as a kid you deserve it, because the universe knew you would become a worthless person in the future.

          Winners don't get abused as kids.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, I wasn't abused. I just think I'm better off today than I was 20 years ago

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nietzsche would have a field day on you, fricking astounding

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >bringing up that hack
              Dude was a mad man

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nice ad hominem to a dead man, followed by baseless dismissal. I'm sure you feel very intelligent.
                Was the stick in your ass predetermined too, or did you enjoy shoving it up there?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          don't listen to the other idiot

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          listen to the other idiot

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          listen to the other idiot

          wtf is wrong with my keyboard tonight
          DON'T listen to the other idiot, he's just spouting nihilism crap he probably got from an anime he just watched

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        wow another one of these posts. God i hate you zoomers so fricking much, even better a fricking sponge bob picture.

        have a nice day you stupid sack of shit.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >he said, burying his head in the sand further

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nah I'm with them, you're embarrassing. I would tell you to have a nice day but you probably would.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're growing up.
      No, it doesn't get better.
      If you're lucky you can reproduce and vicariously enjoy your offspring's childlike wonder for a brief period.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because you spend your time posting on a Mongolian fish-fricking forum surrounded by the most jaded contrarian homosexuals on the planet. It gets better, but only if you make it get better.

  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    WW did irreparable harm to the franchise.
    They tried to add some characterization to some of the main characters in a series that has always had complete cardboard cutouts to give some plot direction to move the game forward.
    They were never ment to be that important or indepth because spending too much time on them takes away from the gameplay focus, and they've been struggling with that ever since.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      you're not long
      20 years later and WW still has the most expressive Link, the best version of Zelda, who was so good that when she turned into Zelda it somehow was a downgrade, and the most characterization Ganondorf ever had.

      TP followed it up pretty well with shit like Midna but yeah, they've struggled to capture that characterization again

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >TP followed it up pretty well with shit like Midna
        That's half their problem. They're so deathly afraid to commit to almost any tangible characterization for the main trio most of the time, that they'll give most the spotlight and attention to side characters that just makes all three even worse by comparison.

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ganon is the literal incarnation of pure evil.

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whoa Ganon is evil?

  27. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    From my point of view the Hylian gods are evil.

  28. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ganon is meant to be a scary incarnation of pure evil. The literal king of demons given form

  29. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Ganker is so moronic that they're incapable of realizing horrible people will lie to justify anything they do

    This is the same reason you homosexuals fall for Solidus' sob story. You think anyone is charismatic

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >He thinks Ganondorf was lying
      >Literally took the Triforce from Link and Zelda and did not hurt them as promised

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I'm sure those five seconds compared to Ganondorf's entire history is reason to believe he instantly turned over a new leaf after he tried to kill them bother earlier in the game. He definitely wouldn't be a piece of shit after attaining his goals. He's a fricking crybaby who felt he was entitled to everything just because he came from a shithole country.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Solidus' sob story
      "sob story" ?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >"Noooooo I just wanted to be remembered because I can't have kids"
        >Better instigate conflict in shithole war-torn third world countries and irreparably mentally damage countless child soldiers if they managed to survive and didn't die horrible deaths
        >Killed a pregnant woman, leads a ship to crash into Manhattan causing crazy death and destruction
        >Then tries to still kill Raiden to find out the location of the Patriots
        Literally everyone wanted the Patriots gone but he had the gaygiest reason for it and the shittiest methods. They keikaku'd the frick out of him to and ironically nothing he did mattered in the longrun. Ganker watches too much anime so they think his infodump speech after being absent most of the game is a proper substitute for character development.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ganondorf isn't lying in WW.

      he never says anything about doing anything good with Hyrule, or turning over a new leaf, he merely says he doesn't care about killing Link and Zelda and just wants Hyrule.

      I have no idea why anyone doubts this, you are taking implications from this that aren't presented and thinking he's lying about things he hasn't even, and never does, say.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he merely says he doesn't care about killing Link and Zelda and just wants Hyrule.
        He sure felt like he needed to kill Link early in the game when he just threw Link into the ocean to die. He sure tried to kill him as Puppet Ganon, too. What's he going to do when he finally gets Hyrule? Just sit in the throne room all day? Even ignoring Ganondorf's crimes from the Ocarina era he does horribly villainous shit right before and during Wind Waker.
        >"Hurr I coveted that wind"
        Too fricking bad,

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        He's called the fricking "king of evil" in several games and in his original appearance "the prince of darkness", as in Satan. The great deceiver. Why would you ever believe anything he says? Why? Why is this whole board filled with contrarian morons that think they're smart by pretending that completely irredeemable villains are in any way justified in their actions or sympathetic? You guys unironically defend these characters with "dindu nuffin" logic.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That anon didn't say he was sympathetic, or non-evil, Mr. Projection. He just said he spoke honestly. He never claimed he wouldn't do all the things he wanted to like before. He just expressed his own personal thoughts about it for once. At best he was just having a moment of objective clarity. No one doubted that he would cease fricking shit up if he won though.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No one doubted that he would cease fricking shit up if he won though.
            Re-read this thread

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              point out the posts that specifically say Ganondorf would become good after his wish, right now homosexual
              DO IT

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      metal gear solid 2 and wind waker have the same plot btw, it's just that in mgs2 korl/the patriots are more unambiguously evil

  30. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It stands to reason that eventually Ganon would be mindbroken by the cycle and stop trying to resist, he may have episodes of sadness and despair like in WW but would return to the cackling and scheming eventually, he's still a person and will change in time like anyone else.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ganondorf was already broken into 3 Ganondorfs by the timeline split and so far, only LttP's Ganondorf(which I think TOTK's Ganondorf might be a reincarnation of) actually won, only to have his wish undone by the Triforce. There's some hints of him wanting to control the cycle that he's been placed into, through shapeshifting and Hegelian problem-reaction-solution.

  31. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The demon king broke out of the unbreakable seal. What should we do? Find a new hero? Ask the Goddess of Time to transport Link to us so he may defeat him again? Or-
    >Drown them

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Golden Goddesses are like Old Testament God. They are omnipotent, have the power of creation, totally beyond the scope of any mortal or god in the setting, and also have a rather capricious nature. They canonically just straight up fricking left Hyrule after they created it and never gave a shit about it afterwards. The fact that they even answered the Hylian's prayers at all is kind of a miracle.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Goddess of Time is Hylia and she was the one who sent Link to a different timeline, dooming that one.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have a theory that the story about how the Goddesses themselves decided to drown Hyrule was bullshit, they never intervene like that before or after Wind Waker, and Ganondorf has gained power like that undeterred.
      The Triforce also famously doesn't care about morality, and it's a direct creation of the Goddesses, I think intervening like that story is against the rest of their mythos.
      I believe the King of Hyrule might have used the Triforce of Wisdom to seal Hyrule away from Ganondorf, we know he had it, he had a piece and his descendant inherited another, the Triforce of wisdom is Nayru's piece who is associated with water, and at the end of the game the King wants the kingdom to stay sealed under that weird magical sea that freezes things in time, no one else seems to want that.

  32. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is Ganondorf so mismanaged?
    You are a moron if you believed what he said in Wind Waker. Ganondorf will say whatever the frick he want if in the end he will have the power over Hyrule.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I'm sure those five seconds compared to Ganondorf's entire history is reason to believe he instantly turned over a new leaf after he tried to kill them bother earlier in the game. He definitely wouldn't be a piece of shit after attaining his goals. He's a fricking crybaby who felt he was entitled to everything just because he came from a shithole country.

      >He will say this and do this.....BECAUSE I SAID SO!
      >But his actions showed-
      >NO SHUT UP I'M RIGHT

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah. WW Dorf clearly showed that he has a level of honor that is beyond what he possessed in other games, and people who just deny this seems to want villains to lack any human characteristics.

  33. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Drowning
    Didn't the goddesses instruct the people to get to the mountain tops? I don't think it's ever confirmed they just killed a frickton of people to save a few.

  34. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ganondorf is an ambitious guy who lives in the shittiest climate and has no male role models in his kingdom thanks to Gerudo law. Then some weird furry descends from the sky and claims the most fertile portion of the area as his kingdom, and to make things worse he fails to use his super tech to its full potential. By the time Link fights him at the end of the game, he's been ruminating in a hole underneath a castle, and he's only regained some of his faculties after a hand lodged in his chest was removed and attached to the manlet he's fighting that has a b***hin' sword which is the first thing that's actually been able to hurt him since the aforementioned hand.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You just spouted a bunch of subtext and borderline fan canon. The game itself never explores Ganondorf's feelings on his region, his people, certainly not "Gerudo law", and only hints at the inferiority complex towards Zonai. TWW Ganon directly talks about the Gerudo suffering, the gods being shitheads, his discontent with the state of civilization, and so on.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but what's wrong with reading into subtext when it's present?

  35. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I forgot how good this intro was

    >But the hero did not appear

  36. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Something I've been thinking about: if Ganondorf broke out of Rauru's seal and, instead of breaking the planet into chunks and flooding Hyrule with AIDS, just said, "This is my kingdom now. I'm the king of Hyrule," would Zelda even CARE? Would anyone for that matter? Zelda was more interested in building schools than ruling her country and the castle was just sitting in disrepair. I'm sure he had plenty of reason to just be pissed off after being mummified for god knows how long, but he probably could have had everything he wanted with no risk of retaliation had he kept his head on.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Depends. What would be his tax policy?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        "I don't need money. But if it's yours, I want it."

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ganondorf is plain ol evil in totk so he probably would've started invading the other lands just because

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's the issue, he doesn't want to keep his head on. He wants EVERYONE to bow down to him. If you don't he will kill everyone around you. And don't forget he naturally leaks EvilAIDS, so assuming you submit to him, you would still have monster running around and fricking shit up.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      some taint of Demise guides him towards destruction and corruption, it isn't that he's a reincarnation of Demise, but some taint of his malice always clings to Ganondorf.

      it likely doesn't make sense even to him, because ruling a world where everyone is dead is meaningless to him or anyone else but an actual demon.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder if any incarnation of Link and Zelda will rediscover that Demise's rightful hatred of Hylia is the root of everything, and that they use the Triforce to finally banish it from perpetuating the endless cycle.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          they cannot, as Demise IS Evil, hatred, and malice.

          Mortals all have that in their hearts, and thus it will always exist, and so, some part of Demise will as well, forever.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          People forget that Demise is still alive and well even in BotW's time inside of the Master Sword eroding away.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >A Zelda game where Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf use the Triforce to banish all gods and goddesses from their realm, so mortals may live in peace

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like something that would go horribly wrong, like Lorule wishing away their triforce to stop the civil wars over it.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              nah see then the trio goes around Hyrule to enforce the peace
              it's all good

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I was thinking more that the fabric of the universe would unravel. Just wishing away your triforce causes the world to crumble and fall apart. I can only imagine that wishing away your gods would be even more devestating.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            We SMT now, boys.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Demons in Zelda suck, you can't purge these Black folk even weilding literal god tier weapons, best you can hope for is some shitty seal that will inevitably break in a few hundred years at best.

  37. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only game Ganondorf shows even a modicum of nuance was in Wind Waker, he's literally a cackling evil demon king in every appearance before and since, yet WWgaya act like their version is the "canon" one and all the others are misrepresentations.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not the only canon one. But the best one.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because in WW he was no longer Ganondorf, but Ganon.
      He already transformed into the Demon King Ganon and still got his shit pushed in by Adult Link. It humbled him a bit.

  38. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    People that trust what Ganon said unironically trust what politicians say and still vote for them after they frick everything for them. Actions will ALWAYS speak louder than words.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      lucky for them people are so action deaf.

  39. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Aye I got a question, who the frick is Demise?

    I couldn't bother beating SS but who the frick is this random Demon that suddenly pops out of nowhere?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      he's literally just a random demon sealed by hylia

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some random powerful demon.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        no, he's Evil itself.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      A sort of demon God that more or less reincarnated into the being known as Ganon/dorf.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      He was suposed to be a prehistoric Ganon and the origin of the curse but it's not important. Not even Nintendo gives a frick about the timeline.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      he's literally just a random demon sealed by hylia

      not quite

      he's the literal concept of Evil, Malice, and Hatred, if the Goddesses all embody things, then there are things that embody negative emotions, Demise is primordial evil, so primordial and archetypical, that everyone sees him as something different.

      on his death he swears that some aspect of him will continue, and in this he is correct, because so long as a single mortal exists, so to will evil, no matter how small, and thus Demise will always exist.

      Ganondorf is the inheritor of some of Demises malice, he is not a reincarnation of him, but an inheritor of the archetype.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Demon king that tormented the lands with monsters before hylia sealed him and decided to frick off with humanity to Skyloft.
      At the end of the game, you fight him and he "curses" you dooming link and zelda into a life of conflict. morons think he is saying that demise reincarnates each time to frick link and zelda, but he means more in a karmic way that link and zelda will always be destined to fight evil people, explaining all the games in the franchise.
      So yeah, Dorf is NOT demise.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >morons think he is saying that demise reincarnates each time to frick link and zelda, but he means more in a karmic way that link and zelda will always be destined to fight evil people, explaining all the games in the franchise.
        Finally someone who actually read the fricking text in that cutscene

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wish that tens of thousands of years of conflict was because of some metaphysical force of hatred, instead of a random guy who got big mad

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's basically the Demon King. Ganondorf may have taken up the title because of his demonic prowess, but Demise is a literal king of demons, arguably their god. By the end of Skyward Sword, Demise had resurrected, but is sealed into the Master Sword, but he curses the very world with his hate as he does so, and claims that an incarnation of his hatred will forever follow Hylia's bloodline and the hero's spirit that stand against him.

  40. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thinking about it, Ganon talked about how he wanted something more than suffering and ruin out of the wind
    And was that reflected in a single place he had influence over? Was there anything he made, with the unlimited power at his hands, that was more than just brutality and tyranny?
    As if! He had the means, even during the Wind Waker period, to become more than just a raider and pillager and he did absolutely none of it. He talked a good talk and didn't walk a single step of it.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Forsaken Fortress and what his creatures were doing was proof of him being a dick who never changed but that requires Ganker to play the game and not just watch the ending on youtube.

  41. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know. At the point of TotK Ganondorf can genuinely make the argument to Link and Zelda that the goddess's pettiness has done more damage and permanent harm to the kingdom than he ever could have.

    If Ganondorf could just like....not be a complete dumbass for like 5 minutes he could probably actually convince Link and Zelda to abandon their gods with him.

  42. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fujibayashi seems to have a thing against letting Ganon have motivations.
    It's fine to have him be evil but even OoT had ganon want to take power for his people
    Skyward Sword and beyond has had Ganon be this malicious force of evil with basically no real personhood, just the act of covering the world in darkness.

  43. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >great backstory that's also relatable to not only the protagonist but the player
    >amazing design
    >good characterization and writing
    >only the villain for one game
    >mogs every other Zelda villain to date
    Kneel

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Great backstory
      Skull Kid is not Majora's Mask. Majora's Mask is the villain, Skull Kid is just a pawn. This is like praising Zant. Majora's Mask sucks dick.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Zant is still a good villain, not the main one but still good. And the moon section is trippy enough to make Majora memorable. A good take in a more chaotic evil contrary to dorf. But then again, MM was done in a year and a half, so who knows what's intentional and what's because they ran out of time.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Zant was great right up until you actually fought him and he turns into some homosexualy dancing clown. That fricker was pure MENACE up until that moment.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Majora was the villain not Skull Kid anon

        The insinuation is that Majora was not really directing the SK actions but simply allowing him the power he needed to act the way he always wanted to. Even long before the SK encountered the mask salesman, he is said to have been a troubled, lonely child whose pranks steadily became more and more vicious and sadistic, until eventually he is found to be delighting in malice and suffering. The four giants explicitly cast out and shunned him for this reason, causing him to become bitter, antisocial, and lonely, driving him into an even darker place. The best thing about Majora is that he is only one-half of the villain, and the kino lies in the fact that the SK is in fact acting out of his own desires, simply amplified by the immense power he has now acquired.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Majora can control the moon to kill everyone
          >No Skull Kid wasn't being controled
          Skul Kid is literally just an ugly kid that likes pranks. He turning into a demigod wasn't his choice.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You misinterpreted his character. The game strongly implies throughout that the SK was behind these actions, he was merely acting with the power that Majora possess, but Majora himself was dormant and inactive, resting. There is no reason for Majora to do the cruel pranks that the SK does, given that Majora is an archdemon and not something connected to or attached to the people of Termina and their plight. The "pranks" that the SK does with this power and monstrous and cruel but are recognizably petty and motivated by spite. Majora merely facilitates the SK's desires, he even implies such when he discards SK as a mere vessel or shell.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              When a demon is possessing someone we don't blame the host for what is hapening. All the demonic actions are from Majora. After Majora fricking died Skull kid is feeling remorse because he is a good person and feel like it's his fault when Link and the giants know that's not true.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, the SK is absolutely behind these actions, he is just free to pursue his previously impossible passions because of his powerlessness. We can still blame the drunk driver for his actions even if he was acting under the influence, the SK was very much in control and relishing his deeds under Majora, who does not even speak or indicate that he is alive until the final 3rd night. SK's actions are also consistent with his persona as a cruel, giggling child armed with power using it to concoct pranks, snowballing into acts of terrorism against Termina. In the end, the SK is essentially powerless and Majora is defeated, and the Giants/Link choose to forgive him instead, out of empathy and to avoid what happened when he was banished in the past. He's a homeless feral child that is implied to be a bit simple, but nonetheless, they wouldn't be wrong in trying to persecute him either.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Majora was the villain not Skull Kid anon

        Skull Kid was the one doing all of the crazy shit, Majora was just sitting back and feeding off of his desires because they aligned with his, which was to bring death and destruction

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's not true at all, Majora was definitely manipulating him to do those things. Skull kid didn't desire to bring death and destruction, he desired to get back at the giants because they abandoned him to watch over the Terminians.
          All the way through the three day cycle, there's bits of dialogue and even shit bluntly shown to you that the Mask is clearly pulling the strings behind the scenes before just blatantly ditching Skull Kid to empower the moon itself to finish the job after the giants stopped it.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's useless anon, he doesn't understand that with possession the demon is always the one doing the things. The victim will think it's them when that's not true. You can always see how Skull Kid act, he is completely possessed and is just the mask using hims as a puppet. Majora only leaves him because he passed out.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Majora is not a character, it is more of a plot device. You are right that it is possessing Skull Kid, but Skull Kid's character IS the detail surrounding the villain.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Least moronic Ganker user. The game all but spells out that Majora is only a catalyst and that the Skull Kid is acting out his desires now that he has unstoppable, absurd power.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Majora was the villain not Skull Kid anon

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Majora was the villain not Skull Kid anon

      >Majora was the one who wanted to steal Link's ocarina and horse, put a boulder by the ranch, poison the swamp, freeze the gorons, pollute the bay, raise the dead, kill the deku butler's son, break up the great fairies, and other petty shit
      Majora was definitely the "Let's summon the moon to fall" but everything else was on Skullkid. You don't blame the alcohol when a drunk driver kills someone

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        ya know its good Link delt with Majora's Mask.

        that shit was beyond powerful and chaotic, even ToTK Ganondorf can't casually do feats like it could.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Majora is a literal space aids dancing demon with no backstory whatsoever. Skull Kid isn't a villain.

  44. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand how peoole fall for WW Ganondorfs grift.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"I coveted that wind I suppose"
      >"Heh heh....the wind... it is blowing..."
      it wasn't much, but I always thought it was a nice little touch to him

  45. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Waah why didn't Nintendo turn Ganon into Abby from the Last Of Us

    the absolute state of Ganker

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'd dig a playable ganon adventure.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >asking a villain to not be one note is bad
      k

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        How much of a soap opera do you want Ganondorf to be? How many hours do you want to watch him explain in great depth why he traveled down the dark path to do what he does and why?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >asking for more than a one note villain is somehow asking for a soap opera
          k

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not every villain needs to be deep. In real life many people do evil shit because it amuses them or some other petty reason, or they seek power for the sake of having power. Why is it wrong for fictional characters to be the same?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              You keep taking what I say and throwing it to the extreme.
              Asking for Ganondorf to have a bit more character or personality is not the same as asking for Ganondorf to have hours of backstory or dialogue explaining motivation. All I ask is that the main villain be a bit more interesting in the story next time. That's all.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              All these things in the real world still stem from more depth than "just because" though. It takes a lot of cope to overcome one's natural tendency towards empathy, and takes unusual circumstances for one to fail to develop empathy, therefore even the pettiest and most unmotivated person you could meet, still has some modicum of intrigue as to how they became the way that they are. Ignore Catholics, noone is born evil.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think an interesting twist would be to make Ganon start out as a somewhat brash and edgy but still good hearted friend to Link and Zelda that eventually gets corrupted by DAHKNESS and goes full Demon King by the end.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then just make an entirely new character at that point frankly.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Even half an hour of cutscenes would be more enough to flesh that out, and remember that this is a 100+ hour game.
          Instead we get shit like Fursuit Jesus shooting a Spirit Bomb laser to kill 10 trillion moldugas, and Zelda's evil clone distracting Queen Shaniqua before Ganondorf kills her and takes the power stone. Not that I want these games to have Fromsoft's approach to story and lore, but these plot beats really would have come across far more effectively and used up far less dev effort if they were just inscriptions somewhere, like maybe Zelda is sending written messages through time that Link is tracking down.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        villains are allowed to just be evil

  46. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why put effort into something that will get a 10/10 across the board anyway?

  47. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    why would the same character, hundreds or thousands of years apart, possibly in different timelines, behave exactly the same?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >He says this as TotK Ganondorf behaves exactly the same as OoT and TP Ganondorf

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        whats the complaint then?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          The same one you had here:

          why would the same character, hundreds or thousands of years apart, possibly in different timelines, behave exactly the same?

          homosexual.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            so you realized you were being silly.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      because Link and Zelda do as well.

      souls reincarnate here, especially those.

  48. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's a fricking giant man pig guy that makes evil pig dudes appear just because he exists you really think he needs a motive to be evil?

  49. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"You know, Hitler loved people and liked things too"
    What an insightful and original statement

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Did he though? How do we know that? You should watch that anti semitism buddy

  50. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What exactly would make Ganon interesting?
    A ten minute speech full of smiles and laughter about how much he loves being evil, about how being a philistine is an amazing rush, and how a good fight is the best?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      properly explaining his motivations as something tanglible beyond being pure evil for no reason.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >properly explaining his motivations as something tanglible beyond being pure evil for no reason.
        Well, let's see then
        Would it work because he was wronged and seeks redress? But that requires him to have been innocent and for him to feel justified in taking it out on people like Lunk and Zeldar. That just leads to weak excuses.
        How about improving society through his vision? That's pretty unconvincing with all the necromancy and monster armies and destruction he throws around.
        How about if he is about rebelling against the Goddesses?
        They haven't done a damn thing before or since Wind Waker and aren't going to. They didn't throw the Gerudo into the desert. They didn't incite the race wars. They literally did nothing. Negligence is not the best reason to declare endless war over.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Lunk
          >Zeldar

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          it can be any and all of those reasons and then some, he can believe he has genuine justifications for his actions, and he can still be pure and irredeemably evil.
          "gerudo desert is a hellhole, hyrule is a fertile crescent, I hate and resent them for it and I want them to suffer" is a logical reason for doing evil. it does not require him to have been a good person at any point, he could be a complete piece of shit from the second he was born.
          giving ganondorf logical, human motivations does not mean making him "good". horrible, psychopathic people exist in real life. it just means that his motives should be something other than "making the whole world darkness" for no reason whatsoever.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it can be any and all of those reasons and then some, he can believe he has genuine justifications for his actions, and he can still be pure and irredeemably evil.
            >it just means that his motives should be something other than "making the whole world darkness" for no reason whatsoever.
            It's not like he feels like he's conflicted about covering the world in darkness. Why does it not count?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              it's illogical, senseless, and borderline meaningless. there's no meaning, justification, or explanation. they could have easily went with an angle like him hating the gods/zonai for being "above" him, and wanting to crush hyrule/rauru to feed a narcissistic god complex. there's logic behind that, the character and his motives are understandable.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it's illogical, senseless, and borderline meaningless.
                Ganon doesn't seem to think the same, it's certainly a worthwhile thing to do for himself.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                you can say that about literally any character doing anything, it doesn't stop it from being wading-pool shallow. it means the dev didn't care/felt lazy/is a shit writer.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not like Hyrule has ever had a single valid reason for Ganon, much less anyone else, to raze and destroy it.
                I'm not gonna disagree than Nintendo is extraordinarily lazy, but there never was any logical backing to Ganon's actions and never will be. He has always followed his own horrible desires to the end, that's the character he is.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                At this point, Ganondorf has been living the cycle for millennia, and if he has any recollection of his previous lives he would have long abandoned hope of ever getting out of the cycle and just embraced it, it's normal to him, it's his life and has been this way for an epoch, why fight it? He clearly enjoys fighting, dominating, and bringing ruin to his enemies and the curse means he will always have an enemy to fight, a people to conquer, and a hero to eventually fall to in battle. What better life could a mad demon king possibly ask for?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Genuine question: why does one need tangible justification for desiring domination? There exist those even if real life who want power for the sake of power, not because of some childhood trauma or because they think their rule will fix the world. It is greed plain and simple. That is motivation enough. Not all villains need to have deep complex motives or justification for wanting power.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah that would actually be pretty cool. A Ganondorf that enjoys fighting and conquering shit forghe fulfillment it brings him instead of just being evil because the magic demon genese said so would be a lot of fun.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      WAKU WAKU LINK! IS THAT THE SWORD THAT SEALS THE DARKNESS? WOULDN'T WORK ON ME, BUT I BET MY KAMEHAMEHA CAN SEAL YOUR SOUL IN OTHERWORLD!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, that would unironically be kino and would make psychoanalysis moralhomosexuals absolutely seethe because they have nothing to split hairs about
      >b-b-buh he can't just be evil!
      why the hell not?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Either retconning that Demise garbage and have him have logical desires and reasons for his evil shit, or a Ganon who hates that's he's just a cat's paw for Demise's hate boner and wants to break the cycle as his primary motivation.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Ganon's realizes he's just been a pawn of some fricko who's been dead for maybe a hundred thousand years
        >grudgingly works with Link and Zelda so he can become a true master of his own fate
        Sure, I'd go for it.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          He wouldn't be a villain in that case since the way to break with all that Demise crap is to utterly reject it in favor of helping the world, helping people.
          That is, if he really was willing to fight for freedom.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            ONE MUST CONSIDER TRUE FREEDOM

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              thanks Lucifer.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            He can still be a villain, but more of a humanized one. An butthole who lusts for power and is jealous of Hyrule, but wants to rule it tyrant style like in OoT instead of "destroy everything because demon". I still think Demise/Hylia are the worst, because their addition completely overshadows the golden goddesses who I think are better as detached creator deities in the setting. Hell, you could have had Din be some remote antagonistic but ultimately neutral force helping out Ganon merely because he's her champion as the wielder of Power.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is what I expected before TotK released, once they showed the glowup in character design they gave Ganondorf, and how different he looked to the "Demise" guy standing in front of the blood moon.
          Instead we got somehow the least nuanced Ganondorf since Zelda 1.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        For the eleventh time, Ganondorf is not cursed by demise.
        Ganondorf is doing everything of his own free will. And if he learned of the past, he would probably laugh at how moronic Demise was and try to one up him by actually succeeding.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Either retconning that Demise garbage
        They already did. BoTW onwards is disconnected with previous Zelda games.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Again, whatever serves the plot.
      Oot did it best by making all the issues in hyrule his direct fault and they actually name him but also making him encounter the player during key moments. So the player, after befriending the many tribes, feels compelled enough to WANT to defeat him.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oh hey, a legitimate criticism in the bihourly TotK seethe thread. They were clearly wanting the game's plot to be a modernized take on Ocarina of Time, but they forgot about what made Ganondorf such an engaging villain: he directly fricks shit up and confronts you multiple times during the game. While the monsters causing the phenomena around Hyrule are clearly his monsters, there's still a feeling of disconnect where they feel more like random beasts that just happen to frick shit up while Ganondorf is chilling out and waiting for the final battle.

        tldr: Ganondorf's problem isn't that he's pure evil, it's that he's not a proactive villain.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          The material clearly there too but the game's structure is the issue here. Mainly that they stick to BotW plot structure in a game that really needed a more linear story telling. They should have had each sage tell you about the past instead of repeating the exact same lines. That way you can tell an actual story instead and keep the open world aspect.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            They should've put more thought into alternative dialogue if you've already done one of the dungeons. Same with all of your buddies just saying "I'll stay here and keep an eye out for Princess Zelda!" after you finish their quest even if you have the Master Sword (or at least finished all the dragon tears) and thus know exactly what's up with Zelda. It's weird since they do put a lot of thought in some aspects and it's not like they didn't have the resources to do a couple alternative cutscenes here and there.

  51. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    HURRR HURRRR HURRRR HURRR HAAAAAAAAAH

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      what does this post mean?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        HURRRRRR HURRRRRR HAAAAAAAAAH

  52. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't completed the game yet but knowing that this new Ganondorf is a different Ganondorf completely kills the character for me. The whole point was that Ganon was this huge butthole that was too angry to die. Now you're telling me there's just another one that happened to be a male Gerudo again named Ganondorf that happens to be evil again. Making Ganondorf into this entity that reincarnates like Link is even worse than all that shit about Demise. Demise is just why Ganondorf just can't fricking die. What was the whole point of making him a fricking zombie and all that about Calamity Ganon if it's not even the same fricking guy? Everything gets stupider the more you think about it.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought Mummydorf was just controlling Calamity/Dark Beast Ganon while dormant

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I know but him just being new Ganondorf doesn't explain why he has a lifetime of seethe in order to create Calamity Ganon. So he failed once or twice then became the incarnation of seethe? If it's the Ocarina Ganondorf he's failed time and time again. So this butthole is just angry for no reason.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          lol no

          OOT Ganondorf only ever fails twice, due to branching timelines he fails twice in 3 seperate timelines, and then either dies for good (TP, WW) in two of them, or turns into Ganon for many years (LTTP, Zelda 1, Zelda 2).

          he doesn't come back "time and time again", TP Ganondorf is the imprisoned Ganondorf from the "Link Snitched" timeline and then dies promptly at the end of that game, for good.

          same for WW, all Ganondorf's had 2 goes of it.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            He dies for good in Zelda 1 too. Zelda 2 he never revives because Link doesn't die.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            What exactly happened to TP Ganondorf that made him lose his Triforce piece and die? Is Zant cracking his neck implying he somehow intervened?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              yea, Zant and him had some sort of Connection keeping Ganondorf alive/empowered.

              Zant realized he was the dupee and not the duper, and killed him, and Ganondorf's hold on the Triforce of Power simply was ceased, it did not grant him a second chance.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              twilight princess was the gods proving a point about fate. ganondorf's fate is to get the triforce of power and get defeated by link. the sages erroneously intervened and tried to circumvent that fate, so the gods rectified the mistake.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I feel this is correct, which makes the gods of the setting insanely controlling, petty, and frankly, malicious, that they put everyone through this cycle of conflict purely because they say it is to be so.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            TP ganondorf is reincarnated at the end of that timeline, and WW ganondorf isn't sealed away, not dead. neither of them are dead.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      he died for good in TP, WW and Zelda 2.

      that is the literal end of the character in all the branching timelines.

      did you think those games were all sequential? they weren't, at the end of TP, he simply fricking dies, same as WW, and Ganon Dies at the end of Zelda 2, all of them for good.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        That doesn't really stop anything though. He can die then still be revived over and over again. Breath of the Wild still made sense in that his physical body was gone but his hatred remained and took the form of an abomination. But then Tears of the Kingdom comes along and says actually that was a different guy. So this different guy just happens to die to someone not named Link or Zelda then becomes pure hatred? My problem is this guy just being some random guy that happens to be like Ganondorf. None of this would be happening if they just said yeah it's the same guy. Or maybe it was the same guy that time traveled to the same point Zelda did. God I fricking hate time travel outside of dedicated time travel stories.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          are you.. moronic?

          do you have a problem that Link is always a new kid who just happens to have the spirit of the Hero, and Zelda the spirit of Hylia?

          that's okay, but Ganondorf being a reincarnation this time, isn't?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I do have a problem with that. Up until this point he's been literally the same guy. Because they could have just made a new character like Malladus or Demise. Instead they have a guy called Ganondorf that looks like Ganondorf, acts like Ganondorf, sounds like Ganondorf and even has the same backstory as Ganondorf and then they're saying actually he's a different guy. Unless this was a completely different continuity and this is the first and only Ganondorf it would make sense. But they literally reference past characters and events like Princess Ruto existing so it's the same continuity or some kind of merged continuity. They just threw all that in the trash. No it doesn't make any fricking sense that this is a new Ganondorf. Out of all ways to use Ganondorf having him only actually do anything in fricking flashback cutscenes that take place long before even the Calamity happens and then revealing actually he's a different guy should never have been it.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is the biggest disappointment. Gannondorf not knowing Link and Zelda for what he can partially remember through the Calamity but because Time Travel bullshit meant Zelda met this guy early on and told some random dude about Link who tells Ganon that eventually someone will kick his ass. If this was all for the sake of making it accessible to people who didn't play the first it was a misguided move.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      he died for good in TP, WW and Zelda 2.

      that is the literal end of the character in all the branching timelines.

      did you think those games were all sequential? they weren't, at the end of TP, he simply fricking dies, same as WW, and Ganon Dies at the end of Zelda 2, all of them for good.

      the real ganondorf is and was always underground, and the rest are reincarnations/apparitions. this is how he is always able to come back, reincarnation, escape unescapable seals, etc.

  53. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ganondorf is literally a social justice warrior.
    >"Gibs me dat"
    >"He dindu nuffin"
    >"It's the Goddesses' fault"
    >"It's Hyrule's fault"
    >"Noooo I need to be given everything because some people have it better than me. I'll do horrible shit and then say it's for my people. Huh? What do you mean I have amassed money and power and can use it to help my people now? Frick that I'm taking it all for myself."

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"Noooo I need to be given everything..."
      I think he pretty much took everything by himself. There was no welfare giving him all the shit.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      nah it's more like
      >I have to suffer while hyrule is a paradise
      >I want paradise
      >is willing to even sacrifice his own people, his own soul, and his own life to get it

      it's why he's the triforce of power, it's all sheer force of will. y'know, until lmao demise

  54. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's weird to me how fans b***hed about Calamity Ganon just being a monster and not having a human form. The fanbase is riddled with Ocarina babbies who can't let go of the fricking past and Nintendo took this criticism to heart and gave us Ganon back to back in two games because of it. Zelda fans can't deal with different villains and act as if Dorf is some amazing masterclass in writing

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      thank you for reminding me calamity ganon exists
      what fricking trash

  55. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    a lot of people these days like to humanize villains, and demonize humans.

  56. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gannondorf in OoT just has an evil heart, its by touching the triforce and gaining his wish to rule over Hyrule that turns him into the evil Ganon

  57. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  58. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    So we just gonna ignore the fact the king of hyrule isna goat

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      TotK doesn't give a frick about Zelda lore

  59. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  60. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's high time Nintendo stopped fooling around and properly brought back their best villain.

  61. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally what is wrong with a villain that is just unashamedly evil?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      people are so mindbroken by real life, being told that the bad guys are heroes.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It has to be done right, and TotK Ganon is not.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        But your notion of "done right" is meaningless moral-drivel. Real life, actual warlords from history both recent and ancient by and large had the same thought process; they simply enjoyed their "evil" acts, they enjoyed their lives as killers and torturers and conquerers and did very little thinking about their actions, they just liked it and it was normal to them, like how you don't have a moral dilemma every time you brush your teeth or take a piss, it was just you doing what you do, and these men likewise grew up in vastly different times and circumstances. All morality is socially constructed and meaningless fiction anyway, so there is no reason why a character cannot be pure evil, totally self-interested, and venal. There is absolutely no reason why Ganon needs complex moral motivations or "nuance" to his character, he can just be the guy that does the villainous things and that's fine, he can just be a cavalier conquerer who acts out of sheer malice, and this is in a sense more interesting than the dindu nuffin who makes half-hearted gestures of morality while still acting as a villain.

  62. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all the people speculating that he would have some more complex motivation, or that he might actually work with you at some point against the dragon people.
    all down the drain lol

  63. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    so what future incarnation of Ganon will be used in the third game

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      they won't.

      they'll retread a version of Majora's Mask, with some of the cast going to an Alternate dimension so they can keep this cast of characters for a 3rd game but a somewhat new Map.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, we'll probably visit BotW-verse Termina.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah botw was about a present threat
        totk is about the past catching up with the present
        with how well totk sold on the model of building on top of the previous game I guarantee you they'll do a third game in this hyrule about interacting with the future.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          So A Link to the Future will become real, eh?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I have high doubts they'll revisit Majora's Mask or Termina given how Miyamoto feels about the game and setting. A TOTK era Termina with more advanced technology would be very cool

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You mean Aonuma.
          Aonuma has been very open about his dislike for MM and not understanding why people love it so much.

          If we do get a new Termina-ish map, it'll be done HIS way, aka the boring way

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        this image scares Aonuma-san

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I wouldn't be surprised if the next game has a similar premise to something like A Link to the Past, Ocarina, or Majora's Mask. BotW was set so far in the future so they could basically do a complete reboot but not piss off timeline autists. They even used the ancient tech and post-apocalyptic idea from NES Zelda concepts. They'd probably like to reimagine the other basic ideas as well.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I wonder if they'll let Koizumi work on this one since if it involved Termina. He WAS one of the writers.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >they'll let

            It's not about "letting." Koizumi is in an upper management position now, a "Senior Executive Officer." He doesn't make games anymore, even if he wanted to (which I kind of suspect he does) he won't be involved going forward.

  64. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ganondorf will never team up with Link to fight the gods and this edgy fanfic idea is gay

  65. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do windwakergays put so much stock in a few lines? Ganondorf is one of the most obviously evil characters in vidya history.
    Is it autism?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's just stupid children pretending they know what good writing is. At least, I hope it's just kids otherwise this is the most embarrassing thread I seen all week.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        because a prince becoming a great evil through sheer force of will is a lot more unique than lmao demise. it's not even about WW, it's simply that SS and the whole demise crap is just lame.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They really are good lines, but people miss that it's driven home by the fact that he's essentially acting out of character. It's the contrast of the normally pure evil villain appearing somewhat thoughtful that sells WW Ganondorf. If he was always like that, it wouldn't be as notable.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        WW would work if it was the last game of the series, or at least the last game with Dorf in it. After countless years of strife and hardship earning him nothing, he can only muse on the past before Hyrule, the King and himself is washed away forever.

  66. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Big troony dick Black person wiener

  67. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Breath of the Wild just feels a bit unromantic and lacking mystery and (I hate for using this word) soul.
    There is always a certain undercurrent mysticism and macabre present, a genuine sense of discovery and adventure that the pure open structure of the new games take away. I don't know, maybe it is the aesthetics, but it just doesn't feel like Zelda.

  68. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because its literally what Demise is and what drives Ganondorf's motivation

    At least WW's Ganondorf already won at some point and stood virtually uncontested for ages.

  69. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I refuse to believe that thing that could destroy the master sword while he was a mummy of his former self is ganondorf.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The master sword sucks now, it can barely strike a few foes before it "runs out of energy"

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Frick BOTW/TOTK for ruining the Master Sword. More likr b***h Sword.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off, no one wants Disney's Le Good Guy Reddit-dorf

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          meant for

          This is what I expected before TotK released, once they showed the glowup in character design they gave Ganondorf, and how different he looked to the "Demise" guy standing in front of the blood moon.
          Instead we got somehow the least nuanced Ganondorf since Zelda 1.

  70. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    homies out here caring about the story in a zelda game

  71. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >WW "Do not worry, I will not kill you. I want to put an end to our suffering."
    >Literally spends the entire game doing evil shit regardless
    Ebin

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >why do people not behave completely logically or do things and then say something else

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        the point is his words can't be trusted

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the first line somehow contradicts the second?

  72. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Zelda has always had terrible writing outside of MM, SS and WW.

    Only games where the subtitle is composed of the same two letters can have good writing.

    >OoT: Trash
    >TP: Trash
    >LttP: Trash
    >BotW: Trash
    >TotK: Trash

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cool bait, but it doesn't explain what would happen if Zelda were to become a horse, so I'm afraid you failed to persuade me.

  73. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >OP when a villain from a game for 7 year olds doesn't practice Kantian morality

  74. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Best Link coming through

  75. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    duo antagonists that are vastly different in power and use each other for their own gains is KINO

  76. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    they reversed it because people wanted to be gay for him
    if you homosexuals werent like "HE IS JUST A MISUNDERSTOOD GUY WAAAAA LET HIM FRICK MY BOIPUSSS" koizumi would've been the writer

  77. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    One thing I agree with baragays on is that it would be neat to have a game with an OoT style, still all the way human Ganon that starts as a cool noble warrior king that acts as a mentor to Link. Where we differ is that I still want him to become evil and be the villain. Not only would it make for an interesting Ganon, having to grapple with the internal conflict of standing up to a respected father figure would make for a Link that comes across as more than just a yes man that dutifully does as he us told. It even opens up room for a more interesting (but still not playable) Zelda. Since Ganon and the Gerudo would initially be your allies and providers of guidance, that would allow Zelda and the kingdom of Hyrule to occupy a semi-antagonistic role, at least at the start. I'm thinking Hyrule is still recovering from the sort of civil war that orphaned OoT Link and Zelda is forced to adopt a jaded and pragmatic form of Wisdom in order to hold things together. Basically ALBW Hilda but actually smart.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's gay as frick and wouldn't make any sense.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >That's gay as frick
        I'll concede that point.

        >wouldn't make any sense
        I'm talking about doing a totally different Ganon in the same way that Links and Zeldas usually aren't the same person. Totk seems to have finally thrown out the idea of there being any sort of continuity, so I figure having a Ganon that isn't the standard one or tied up with any demise bullshit is fair game now. He can just be the one every hundred years male Gerudo king. He'd still be associated with/attain the triforce of power and still ultimately be the villain in the same way that Links and Zeldas retain those sorts of characteristics. But how he gets there can take a different route.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      So the Sekiro approach basically

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Sekiro Zelda
        >Shura Link
        KINO

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Link is found by Ganondorf and taken in as an apprentice
          >Training him in combat for one purpose
          >To conquer Hyrule
          >As link you eventually either side with Hyrule and kill Ganondorf
          >or
          >you kill the Hyrule king
          >Ganondorf congratulates for helping takeover Hyrule
          >Ganondorf walks towards the balcony to get a good view of the land.
          >You pull out your sword and stab Ganondorf in back
          >Taking the triforce of power for yourself.
          >Now with both the triforce of courage and power
          >you turn to zelda
          >ready to take the triforce of wisdom from her

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I haven't actually played Sekiro yet, but if it does something like that then yes.
        I just think Zelda with its well established character archetypes and symbols is a perfect opportunity for the myth/fairy tale treatment of writers being able to play around with the specific execution of things while still leaning on and leaving intact the fundamental identities. They sort of already do this to an extent, but I think it could be taken further. Like just think about Impa in my hypothetical fan fiction. She could still be the loyal royal servant and wise protector and administrator of the kingdom that she always is. But you could explore that same archetype during a time when the kingdom is barely holding together, when that sort of person is driven to adopt a more ruthless approach. It could create an opportunity for Zelda to be a proper ruler and living embodiment of Wisdom for a change and rein in a well intentioned but overzealous subject, who relents because she is still fundamentally righteous. Also, you could get a sick boss fight against an old magic ninja lady.

  78. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >BotW lore shows an ancient hero fighting off the calamity in the long distant past
    >warrior with dark skin and blazing red hair shown in the ancient murals
    Could Ganondorf actually have been a hero in the past and was corrupted by darkness so long ago that his fall has been lost to history?
    >actually it was some furry ancestor of Link LMAO
    Oh… ok

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      there's good opportunity there to imply that the gerudo trace themselves to an ancient hero that was cursed so that all of his descendents would mostly female and that a great twisted evil male prince would one day show up... but lmao demise, lmao furry

  79. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you dislike pure evil Ganon you are low test and most likely a manlet

  80. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    its the same gannondorf from WW; he was calm until he got cucked by king of hyrule then he went insane.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's not. ToTK Ganondorf is not one from any before, this is a completely new Ganondorf born in this BotW timeline

  81. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    TotK Dorf is based as hell
    >shit-talks goatman to his face about not leaving with the rest of his kind, implying he's the runt of the zonai, fit only to rule over mortals
    >says 'well if you dont wanna use your god rocks properly, allow me', nabs that shit off his wife, taunts him about dead wife to his face again
    He exemplifies POWER more than any other incarnation of the guy who's supposed to be about POWER

  82. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    zelda needs more cosmic horror. the plain medieval setting is getting a little boring.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Majora did this but Aonuma hated it

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't call majora a cosmic horror.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's the closest you're going to get. Possible ayylmao demon from nowhere with no history who comes out of nowhere in a land where everyone is an identical clone of the people Link previously knew.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >tries to fuse with a celestial body to destroy the planet
          >literally mutates into a tentacle monster as its last phase
          >gives the moon its most iconic schizo face
          idk, seems pretty cosmic horror to me

  83. 10 months ago
    sage

    You're moronic. Ganon from WW is literally the game guy from OOT who conquered the world but saw all of his achievements get sunk under the seas, who later realised that he's a relic of the past and shouldn't hold back the new generation. His final moments are spent permanently ruining Hyrule to force the two kids into making a brand new kingdom for themselves instead.
    In the same vein, Ganon from TP is the same dude from OOT who was captured before he could experience his plans, thus never experienced the same fulfilment and is still as vengeful and power hungry as before.
    The Ganon from TOTK is a totally different dude completely unrelated to any "Ganon" from the past with his own unique personality and circumstances as someone who's lived as the King of the Gerudos from birth with no interference from any existing kingdom. It has nothing to do with "mismanaged characterisation", he's a complete different being entirely. Sincerely have a nice day.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I never thought of him ruining Hyrule like that, I assumed that it was out of spite. Honestly touching if that was their true intention.

  84. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone else want to see vaati come back?
    I had a lot of fun playing 4 swords with buddies, and minish cap he had a cool theme. The design is also cool

  85. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, his speech sounds nice, but look at what he actually does when he has power. Does he uplift his people? No, he throws the world in chaos and destroys castletown. He is a child throwing a tantrum because someone else has a toy he wants, and then when he gets it, he breaks it.

  86. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"I coveted that wind I suppose..."
    >YEAH WELL COVET THIS WIND *BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP*
    How does he respond bros?

  87. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"I AM EVIL BECAUSE I JUST AM!"
    This is based and soulful
    I'm sick and tired of homosexual subversive misunderstood sympathetic deconstruction villains written by basedchugging pseud c**ts who think they are so smart and genius for rebelling against their dad

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even worse is
      >I am evil not because of my own agency, but of an ancient curse that dooms me to be a reincarnation of that ancient curse.
      I mean, Ganondorf is supposed to be evil due to his own traits leading him to be evil, not because the plot demands he should be evil or of a deus ex machina ancient curse plot device. I can understand that those dumb baragays just want to change Ganondorf&Demise to Ganondorf&Knuckles, but I'm sure Nintendo realized that a so-called redemption arc for Ganondorf will lead to villain decay down the road, so they changed all the ominous lore elements of prerelease-TOTK Ganondorf(Dark Messiah-Ganondorf being ritually sacrificed to the ancient bloodthirsty Zonai gods to seal the Ganon-demon within him to be used as a power source to power Zonai tech) to Ganondorf retracing his steps to become Demise 2.0.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Skyward sword left it very ambigeous what he meant by "an incarnation of his hatred". I dont know why you homosexuals suddenly thinks this means ganon has no free will. I imagine its more like his curse manifests itself in a man that is capable of carrying on the hatred that demise fealt. An ambitious leader fueled by malicous envy still fits this perfectly.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          acting under the influence of an ancient curse of malice that forces or insidiously manipulates him to carry out the will of demise means he has no free will

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are refusing to comprehend what I am saying. "Manifestation of hatred" does not mean "being with no free will". By that logic, no one has free will because we are all products of our state of being at birth. Ganon can be someone born with a milicious heart, but still be completely cable of free will.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Ganon is a demi-god and blessed by the Triforce and Din, just as Link is a Demi-god blessed by farore.

              They do not have "free will" they will always be exactly what they were destined to be.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is your headcanon, pull right now where in any part of the game's said thing is stated.
                Or where does in any time is stated the triforce is given directly by the gods (which is not true, the triforce acts on it's own)

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >This is your headcanon, pull right now where in any part of the game's said thing is stated.
                Oracle games.

                Each aspect of the triforce ( wisdom, courage and power) correspond to the Goddess, who personally bless Zelda, Ganon and link.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                What the frick are you on about. Of course the triforce at least corresponds to three goddessess. Where in the games do we see that the the eternal struggle is cause of "distiny determined by the goddesses"

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Eh, WW link having to "earn" the triforce of courage doesnt really support this. Seems to me that theyve stepped into the blessings of the goddess due to there actions and deeds.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Courage need not be le remembered
                WW link is link. He was always going to be couragous. This isn't an "anyone could become big boss!" scenerio.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >This isn't an "anyone could become big boss!" scenerio.
                It is, the world was flooded exactly because Link was returned in time, and he did not appear again.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >until he did return, as WW link, who just happened to be names link and wear the green tunic and be his reincarnation like all the others

                If they didn't need a link, someone else would have saved hyrule from ganon before the flood.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Just because it ww link is the incarnation of the hero, it doesnt suddenly mean he was "destined by Farore" or anything. No one is arguing that ww link isnt link, just that he had to earn the triforce of courage. Him being link doesnt automatically making him "under the predetermined destiny of the godesses". Youre basically assuming your conclusion as part of your arguement

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                to be link, means you are blessed with the tridorce of courage, which = Farore. this isn't hard. You can't have a link without the courage. Link does not "earn" it why the hell do you think he gets reincarnated in the first place? We KNOW many links are just born with the courage inside them, it's not even tied to memory it's just IN them.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, that is not what it "means to be link". That is PURE headcanon. It does not say this anywhere. The ONLY canon information on what it means to be link is to have the spirit of the original hero chosen by hylia, who, as far as we know, had nothing to do with the triforce of courage.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                The goddesses usually don't have anything to do with bestowing the triforces. In fact, Din, who would be the one to bestow the triforce of power, has both directly and indirectly opposed Ganon. They created it, but it acts on its own. They only intercede when things break, like in WW.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Shouldnt he already have had the power of triforce of courage then?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he was always going to be courageous!
                >he just needed to prove himself and get the triforce of courage pieces because reasons

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                the physical peices of the triforce don't do anything and are just filler because WW was unfinished.

                We see the true triforce dwells inside them. Wtf did zelda do to "earn" the triforce of Wisdom? The triforce is the power that glows on the hand.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's not actually story filler, the triforce piece was ripped away from oot Link and shattered when he got sent back in time.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Which would still imply that they are fated anyway

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                In TP link bessed with the triforce of courage at birth. He always is, just as Ganon is born with power and zelda with wisdom, and have a personal relationship with each goddess.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not really though? All that really implies is that the spirit of the hero is the only one who ever will inherit triforce of courage. That doesnt suddenly mean he has to follow it and no longer has free will

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That doesnt suddenly mean he has to follow it
                lmao yes it does. He will always be what he is. Sorry Nature>>>>

                [...]

                . You aren't getting your reddit good guy ganon.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Eh? What does this have to do with ganon? Im not arguing for muh virtous ganon anywhere. The cycle is caused by the original battle between hylia and demise, not the triforce's individual blessings. Where in the fricking games does it state that obtaining a piece of triforce robs you of free will and requires you to behaive a certain way? You obtain the triforces pueces BECAUSE of the way you behaive

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                moronic hylic

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Villain decay?

  88. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    None of you should act liek ganondorf was ever a nuanced character

  89. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Totk ganondorf is clearly inspired by oot gandorf (such as the "bowing to the king" scene), and oot is peak ganondorf so i am ok with it.

  90. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't take Zelda as a chronological series seriously. It is obvious that most games were made without taking others into consideration, and a lot of stuff was estabilished after its effects were introduced. They also changed the timeline sometimes from what Nintendo told was canon...
    Not that the stories from the games don't matter, but usually I see them as isolated cases, or as a continuous thing only when they are direct sequeles made by the same people soon after (like OOT and Majoras).
    Hoping to find consistency in all games lore-wise is a waste.

  91. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why does Ganon's final form have weakspots and the stone visible when all other examples in the world do not?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because that's how you kill him in gameplay. If you had to kill one of the other Dragons they'd have their own weakspots.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah it's a video game, but they didn't even try to address it in universe. If they'd have shown Zelda also having them at start and absorb them over time or something it would have solved it. At least with the other asspull they went "uh light and time uhh magic stuff".

  92. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    That was after he tried to kill the hero twice, and he was trying to get the barely conscious hero to not get a panicked burst of energy.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      *Spared the hero twice.

  93. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    WW ganondorf is an older version of OOT ganondorf, and OOT gandorf is very much just "malicous and evil". I like to think WW Ganondorf's character traits come from the wisdom he's gained from losing to link already and going through all this shit before. Totk ganondorf mirrors Oot ganondorf in many way. Ambitious, evil, and overly wienery.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      As I play I feel like this whole thing is a parallel to OoT with Ganondorf.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, especially in the scene where ganondorf and rauru meet at the castle.

  94. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Super Mario Sunshine: How dare you interrupt my family vacation!
    >The Super Mario Bros. Movie: We will sacrifice your friends for the wedding

  95. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    In TOTK, how has noone checked the castle basement for thousands of years or however long it's been?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The king told Zelda it's forbidden, he is aware.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They only checked it because evil shit was pouring out and making people sick. Presumably whenever anyone in the royal family got curious, they went down there and saw the evil mummy and went "oh shit nevermind, nobody goes down there ever" and it remained sealed like that until Calamity Ganon happened.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone thought Zelda was a big gay nerd for being in to Sheikah ruins. The same probably extended to spooky castle basements.

  96. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >moralautists attempt to deconstruct the ethics of a fictional brown man in a children's bing bing wahoo cartoon

  97. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"HMMM... THIS "GANONDORF" MANLING DOESN'T SEEM TOO BAD, KILLING ALL THESE ELGI AND CURSING THEM FOR MILLENNIA? I DO THAT MYSELF"
    >"OH HE'S GOT A FINE HOLD TOO, LOOK AT ALL THAT LAVA AND GOOD SOLID STONE"
    >"HE'S BUILT BROAD AND STOUT TOO, LOOKS LIKE A GOOD DRINKER, I RECKON HE COULD SWING A FINE AZ."

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ganondorf, Zelda, and Link are the best candidates for a grudging as they can be infinitely grudged when they reincarnate, a Dwarf Thane could have his great-grandson collect on the grudge Millennia later.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ganon makes an alliance with and then betrays the dwarves for no reason
      >link no longer needs to fight him, he is now permanently hunted by dwarves for all of time, eternally grudged because he stole something from them 1000 years ago for the hell of it

  98. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    None of it would be an issue if it weren't for the unified timeline bullshit. It was called 'Legend' of Zelda for a reason. They are legends, so each game is a standalone instance so it's okay if there's inconsistencies. But Nintendo ruined it just to sell a stupid book.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Explain how "The Legend of Zelda II" is a standalone instance.
      Explain how Link's Awakening is a standalone instance.
      You can literally google and use wayback machine to search and see A Link to the Past was always a prequel of "The Legend of Zelda".
      You cand do the same with Ocarina of Time and see it was always a prequel to A Link to the Past.
      Explain how Majora's Mask is a standalone instance too.
      Explain how Wind Waker is a standalone instance when in the very first 5 mins the game tells you the events of Ocarina of time.

      That's seven fricking games connected with one another. You are a moron who talks out of his ass and never played this shit until either the gamecube era or after. The timeline became a clusterfrick when Miyamoto stepped down and Aonuma took the reels making Twilight Princes and Wind Waker both sequels to OoT forgetting all the classic games existed and forcing them all into a third ramification.

  99. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    WW Ganondorf is a much older character that narrowly let his ambitions slip through the cracks and watched the world he wanted to control fall into ruin. Of course they're going to be different when one is trying to restore the former glory of Hyrule while the other is actively trying to conquer it. Everything that TotK Ganondorf is trying to do is stuff that WW Ganondorf already did.

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