true, i really liked how it kept up with the new players who didnt play wc3 or even vanilla wow and in the end he wanted the powerful heroes (me) as his champions
they unironically did him justice, the ICC ending cutscene delivered and it's still memorable, they tried to do the same with jailer and failed
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeh im glad they wrote out nerzhul on the old stale lore and made it all about epic arthas and made him so powerful he could kill the heroes any time he wanted, and his army of ghouls could kill the whole world except for arthas
2 years ago
Anonymous
are you being ironic? adding nerzhul would've meant you also had to add the kil'jaeden and the story with his dead wife and you can't realistically expect to sell that story in the medium of wow, compressing him out of the story and making it more of a hero's journey makes a lot more sense
Sylvanas is a garbage character that is only relevant because of simp nu-blizzard developers.
Never forget Arthas killed her and then raised her as undead just to spite her because she hated the undead so much. No matter how much she b***hes and moans about it, she will always and forever be nothing more than a joke played on her by the biggest chad in warcraft history.
Sylvanus was a great character when she wasn't a major focus of the story. IIRC she was still good up through Wrath, and although some of the ideas for her in Cataclysm were good, the execution was like a sledgehammer of subtlety, it was quite obvious they were setting her up as a villain at that point, rather than just letting her character (and faction) naturally expand within the world.
my initial experience with WoW when it launched was mostly leveling and discovering the world. It was infinitely more enjoyable than just farming end-game content over and over.
the rush to the endgame mentality that contaminated the MMO genre is what killed it.
That's fine, that's why I said it should be optional. I want to switch between classes when I want and do endgame without the 10+ hour levelling wall blocking me.
It would be fricking moronic to force someone to play HL2 before they can play L4D with their friends.
building your own character is the whole point of the genre. If WoW didn't save your characters and everyone just picked a class, role, and dungeon/raid to play with no rewards that carry over between runs then nobody would play it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>building your own character is the whole point of the genre.
for YOU. please explain the value in forcing people to play through the entirety of HL2 before they can play L4D with their friends
Way to miss the point, moron. You never did dungeons or grouped for quests while levelling, huh? Just saying the end game hamster wheel loop of running the same raid isn't the best this game has to offer. If that's all you like about the genre then I pity you.
>You never did dungeons or grouped for quests while levelling, huh?
They're tutorials for the end game you brain damaged moron. >Just saying the end game hamster wheel loop of running the same raid isn't the best this game has to offer.
What, and forcing players to play 10+ hours of zero skill, tedius, monotonous, boring leveling is? You haven't explained the value in walling off the end game at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Okay you're far too gone. I pity you, homosexual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Doesn't sound like you have an argument
Understandable because there isn't one. Leveling sucks ass
2 years ago
Anonymous
>please explain the value in forcing people to play through the entirety of HL2 before they can play L4D with their friends
are you moronic?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No counter-argument
I accept your concession also.
2 years ago
Anonymous
well for starters half life and l4d are two different games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kind of like levelling and end-game of MMO's you fricking moron. Keep up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
no those things are in the same game. how far did you progress in the school system before dropping out?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Holy frick, MMO players are actually fricking brain damaged. You're actually moronic. You are absolutely the person in group content with brain damage. How can you not understand this simple concept?????????????????? >Levelling (Solo content) == HL2 >End-game (Group content) == L4D
Please explain the value in forcing someone to do 10 hours of levelling content which has NOTHING to do with the end game??????????????????????????
2 years ago
Anonymous
leveling isnt solo content and is in the same game. you can kick and scream and call me moronic all you want. its you being a moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If I want to play L4D with friends, we install the game and we play group content. In MMO's, if I want to play with friends, they must all endure 10+ hours of levelling to play ONE class and repeat the same shit again for another class. There is no reason for force people through levelling (Which would be the equivilent of forcing them to play HL2)
You have no counter-argument why levelling should be forced and I accept your concession.
2 years ago
Anonymous
well leveling is part of the games progression which you can do with your friends. I did it yesterday.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Still waiting for a single argument why levelling should be forced.
2 years ago
Anonymous
cause its part of the games progression. which i said before. i dont care that you dont like leveling. your analogy is just fricking stupid dude.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That's just the way it is
Not an argument. I accept your concession.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ill just pivot into trolling since my argument is moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, that's exactly what you're doing I'm glad you agree with me that you're wrong. I asked you for the value in forcing players to level and so far your only response has been "That's just how it is". You can't explain the value of forced levelling and so you concede the argument. I accept your concession.
2 years ago
Anonymous
im screenshotting all of this so I can show my irl friends to laugh at this
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not an argument and I still accept your concession.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
Still not an argument and I still accept your concession. Keep completing that captcha to prove how not-mad you are lmao.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
The entire point of playing an MMO is to play the meta. When the meta becomes "just pay to win", there isn't a game anymore, it's a wallet opening simulator.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You'll never catch me defending wow's economy
2 years ago
Anonymous
sometimes i wish this place wasnt anonymous so you morons would atleast take a little pause before making such fools of yourselves.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not an argument. I accept your concession.
leveling is just another basic form of progression, being allowed to skip basically one of the most important parts of progression you might as well start selling accounts, titles and tier sets in the cash shop and I can't fathom how you'd ask this kind of question unless you were wholly clueless about the genre
>being allowed to skip basically one of the most important parts of progression you might as well start selling accounts, titles and tier sets in the cash shop and I can't fathom how you'd ask this kind of question unless you were wholly clueless about the genre
You're actually fricking moronic. How the frick did you get from "Leveling should be optional" to "Start selling accounts, titles and tier sets in the cash shop". MMObrain is a serious condition.
>If you want to play specific end-game content, you have to play through the game.
right, just like every single game in existence I guess. Do you also rage that single-player games won't just let you fight the final boss after you turn it on?
>right, just like every single game in existence I guess
Wrong. I don't have to play through HL2 to play L4D with friends. Your inability to explain why I should speaks volumes. You have no argument.
Still no counter-argument. Still accept your concession.
He plays single player games on journalist difficulty
You're gloating about MMO levelling? Holy frick my sides lmao.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>leave thread for awhile >come back >gee wizz I hope they're gone now
what a homosexual LMAO
2 years ago
Anonymous
Still no counter-argument. I still accept your concession.
2 years ago
Anonymous
leveling is just another basic form of progression, being allowed to skip basically one of the most important parts of progression you might as well start selling accounts, titles and tier sets in the cash shop and I can't fathom how you'd ask this kind of question unless you were wholly clueless about the genre
2 years ago
Anonymous
you can actually play with friend on WoW whenever you want, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you can't. If I want to play mythics with a friend, they have to spend hours levelling its fricking moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you want to play specific end-game content, you have to play through the game.
right, just like every single game in existence I guess. Do you also rage that single-player games won't just let you fight the final boss after you turn it on?
2 years ago
Anonymous
He plays single player games on journalist difficulty
2 years ago
Anonymous
Leveling isn't even the biggest gate, gearing to a level required by the homosexual playerbase is
Ah yes nothing is more fun than doing the same raid every week for the slim chance that you might get a new piece of gear that's going to increase your dps by a whopping 1% and make you clear the same raid you've already cleared 30 times already a minute faster. have a nice day.
It's an MMO you fricking loser, group co-op content is literally why MMO's exist. There are better single-player games than MMO levelling you fricking homosexual
Way to miss the point, moron. You never did dungeons or grouped for quests while levelling, huh? Just saying the end game hamster wheel loop of running the same raid isn't the best this game has to offer. If that's all you like about the genre then I pity you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Endgame is the only time your class is pushed to the fullest so it is the best thing the game has to offer
2 years ago
Anonymous
Endgame is just a social meta, there is zero goddamn challenge. Leveling is unironically the best content the game has to offer, along with 5 mans since you don't have to play with them for months and hearing them b***h about loot distributions.
This but unironically. They should either go back to being an actual MMO, or transition to a completely lobby-based game. The current "hybrid" version wastes a lot of resources and makes everyone unhappy.
wtf? it's not a true Tbc experience then. SC and TK content jeapardised by paradoxical wotlk abilities, then what is the point of wotlk then besides the dungeons? There won't be anything new.
Can someone who actually plays WOW Classic tell me why they’re rereleasing the expensions now and what’s the appeal of that deal. They’re just gonna end with modern WOW down the line, it’s completely contradictory for me why you would what the slow process to the product you don’t like nowadays.
Nothing. All the RP and RP-PVP servers are dead. All the PVE servers are alliance-dominated. The most recent server I played on took all the horde refugees from Firemaw and now has 26k players logged, so it will be unplayable in wrath. This game has been mismanaged to death.
More like b***h king
Dwarf Warrior on Warmane
I would too if they had a lordaeron-formatted prog realm
demon hunter
>face the lich king in 2022
literally no chance of that happening they wont even finish ulduar before 2023.
you can face lich king in utgarde pinnacle on first boss
and borean tundra, howling fjord, zul'drak draktharon keep and icecrown. epic!
what's wrong with establishing a villain? and deathwing flyovers were fricking epic indeed, and he showed up wya more than lk
true, i really liked how it kept up with the new players who didnt play wc3 or even vanilla wow and in the end he wanted the powerful heroes (me) as his champions
they unironically did him justice, the ICC ending cutscene delivered and it's still memorable, they tried to do the same with jailer and failed
yeh im glad they wrote out nerzhul on the old stale lore and made it all about epic arthas and made him so powerful he could kill the heroes any time he wanted, and his army of ghouls could kill the whole world except for arthas
are you being ironic? adding nerzhul would've meant you also had to add the kil'jaeden and the story with his dead wife and you can't realistically expect to sell that story in the medium of wow, compressing him out of the story and making it more of a hero's journey makes a lot more sense
Kek, not playing. Only paypigs play this game and decided to completely destroy the progression ladder with their paypiggotry.
Fpbp not gonna buy gold to remain relevant frick that
didn't SL end with Sylvanas calling Arthas a pathetic, irrelevant cuck? Why would you want to play an entire expansion with THAT as your end boss?
Sylvanas is a garbage character that is only relevant because of simp nu-blizzard developers.
Never forget Arthas killed her and then raised her as undead just to spite her because she hated the undead so much. No matter how much she b***hes and moans about it, she will always and forever be nothing more than a joke played on her by the biggest chad in warcraft history.
floating fart orb cope
this is what a confrontation between them looks like, simp
I clicked on your link, and uh... That profile picture...
i accept your defeat. that profile pic is just the average horde player, it was the first video that popped up
IDK who you're talking about Anon. I just jumped into the thread and don't play MMO anymore.
Sylvanus was a great character when she wasn't a major focus of the story. IIRC she was still good up through Wrath, and although some of the ideas for her in Cataclysm were good, the execution was like a sledgehammer of subtlety, it was quite obvious they were setting her up as a villain at that point, rather than just letting her character (and faction) naturally expand within the world.
wrath ended with sylvanas trying to kill herself. too bad they didnt stick with that.
>Xbox Boost
I'm not playing any MMO that forces me to level
>i'm not playing a game that forces me to play
okay
Levelling should be optional. Nothing in the end game requires you to do the terminally boring levelling process.
my initial experience with WoW when it launched was mostly leveling and discovering the world. It was infinitely more enjoyable than just farming end-game content over and over.
the rush to the endgame mentality that contaminated the MMO genre is what killed it.
That's fine, that's why I said it should be optional. I want to switch between classes when I want and do endgame without the 10+ hour levelling wall blocking me.
It would be fricking moronic to force someone to play HL2 before they can play L4D with their friends.
building your own character is the whole point of the genre. If WoW didn't save your characters and everyone just picked a class, role, and dungeon/raid to play with no rewards that carry over between runs then nobody would play it.
>building your own character is the whole point of the genre.
for YOU. please explain the value in forcing people to play through the entirety of HL2 before they can play L4D with their friends
>You never did dungeons or grouped for quests while levelling, huh?
They're tutorials for the end game you brain damaged moron.
>Just saying the end game hamster wheel loop of running the same raid isn't the best this game has to offer.
What, and forcing players to play 10+ hours of zero skill, tedius, monotonous, boring leveling is? You haven't explained the value in walling off the end game at all.
Okay you're far too gone. I pity you, homosexual.
I accept your concession.
Doesn't sound like you have an argument
Understandable because there isn't one. Leveling sucks ass
>please explain the value in forcing people to play through the entirety of HL2 before they can play L4D with their friends
are you moronic?
>No counter-argument
I accept your concession also.
well for starters half life and l4d are two different games.
Kind of like levelling and end-game of MMO's you fricking moron. Keep up.
no those things are in the same game. how far did you progress in the school system before dropping out?
Holy frick, MMO players are actually fricking brain damaged. You're actually moronic. You are absolutely the person in group content with brain damage. How can you not understand this simple concept??????????????????
>Levelling (Solo content) == HL2
>End-game (Group content) == L4D
Please explain the value in forcing someone to do 10 hours of levelling content which has NOTHING to do with the end game??????????????????????????
leveling isnt solo content and is in the same game. you can kick and scream and call me moronic all you want. its you being a moron.
If I want to play L4D with friends, we install the game and we play group content. In MMO's, if I want to play with friends, they must all endure 10+ hours of levelling to play ONE class and repeat the same shit again for another class. There is no reason for force people through levelling (Which would be the equivilent of forcing them to play HL2)
You have no counter-argument why levelling should be forced and I accept your concession.
well leveling is part of the games progression which you can do with your friends. I did it yesterday.
Still waiting for a single argument why levelling should be forced.
cause its part of the games progression. which i said before. i dont care that you dont like leveling. your analogy is just fricking stupid dude.
>That's just the way it is
Not an argument. I accept your concession.
>ill just pivot into trolling since my argument is moronic
Yes, that's exactly what you're doing I'm glad you agree with me that you're wrong. I asked you for the value in forcing players to level and so far your only response has been "That's just how it is". You can't explain the value of forced levelling and so you concede the argument. I accept your concession.
im screenshotting all of this so I can show my irl friends to laugh at this
Not an argument and I still accept your concession.
Still not an argument and I still accept your concession. Keep completing that captcha to prove how not-mad you are lmao.
The entire point of playing an MMO is to play the meta. When the meta becomes "just pay to win", there isn't a game anymore, it's a wallet opening simulator.
You'll never catch me defending wow's economy
sometimes i wish this place wasnt anonymous so you morons would atleast take a little pause before making such fools of yourselves.
Not an argument. I accept your concession.
>being allowed to skip basically one of the most important parts of progression you might as well start selling accounts, titles and tier sets in the cash shop and I can't fathom how you'd ask this kind of question unless you were wholly clueless about the genre
You're actually fricking moronic. How the frick did you get from "Leveling should be optional" to "Start selling accounts, titles and tier sets in the cash shop". MMObrain is a serious condition.
>right, just like every single game in existence I guess
Wrong. I don't have to play through HL2 to play L4D with friends. Your inability to explain why I should speaks volumes. You have no argument.
Still no counter-argument. Still accept your concession.
You're gloating about MMO levelling? Holy frick my sides lmao.
>leave thread for awhile
>come back
>gee wizz I hope they're gone now
what a homosexual LMAO
Still no counter-argument. I still accept your concession.
leveling is just another basic form of progression, being allowed to skip basically one of the most important parts of progression you might as well start selling accounts, titles and tier sets in the cash shop and I can't fathom how you'd ask this kind of question unless you were wholly clueless about the genre
you can actually play with friend on WoW whenever you want, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
No you can't. If I want to play mythics with a friend, they have to spend hours levelling its fricking moronic.
>If you want to play specific end-game content, you have to play through the game.
right, just like every single game in existence I guess. Do you also rage that single-player games won't just let you fight the final boss after you turn it on?
He plays single player games on journalist difficulty
Leveling isn't even the biggest gate, gearing to a level required by the homosexual playerbase is
Frick off c**t.
No counter-argument. I accept your concession.
Ah yes nothing is more fun than doing the same raid every week for the slim chance that you might get a new piece of gear that's going to increase your dps by a whopping 1% and make you clear the same raid you've already cleared 30 times already a minute faster. have a nice day.
It's an MMO you fricking loser, group co-op content is literally why MMO's exist. There are better single-player games than MMO levelling you fricking homosexual
Way to miss the point, moron. You never did dungeons or grouped for quests while levelling, huh? Just saying the end game hamster wheel loop of running the same raid isn't the best this game has to offer. If that's all you like about the genre then I pity you.
Endgame is the only time your class is pushed to the fullest so it is the best thing the game has to offer
Endgame is just a social meta, there is zero goddamn challenge. Leveling is unironically the best content the game has to offer, along with 5 mans since you don't have to play with them for months and hearing them b***h about loot distributions.
>Subscribe
Maybe if it's F2P I'll consider it.
Uninstall Wizard
Belf Pally
waiting for fresh realms
>human
>male
>warrior
>fresh servers
simple as
I'm not playing any game which forces me to
>Pay monthly
>Treat it like a job I need to factor into my weekly plans in real life.
Based. There's no reason WoW can't be like L4D or whatever.
holy SOUL
This but unironically. They should either go back to being an actual MMO, or transition to a completely lobby-based game. The current "hybrid" version wastes a lot of resources and makes everyone unhappy.
I am not giving blizzard my money
Waiting for fresh wotlk servers which I will play until WK fresh.
>classic Retail and BC Paladin
>No crusader strike, just lol seal of command.
How did retpaladins cope without their bread and butter 'strike'?
tbc has sader strike
wtf? it's not a true Tbc experience then. SC and TK content jeapardised by paradoxical wotlk abilities, then what is the point of wotlk then besides the dungeons? There won't be anything new.
im not playing games made by dick loving homosexuals. get monkeypox you homosexuals!
What the frick is the point of adding expansions to Classic? Doesn't that defeat the whole point?
by now WotLK is also a classic I guess lol
cant wait for bfa classic
Can someone who actually plays WOW Classic tell me why they’re rereleasing the expensions now and what’s the appeal of that deal. They’re just gonna end with modern WOW down the line, it’s completely contradictory for me why you would what the slow process to the product you don’t like nowadays.
>still no word on fresh launch date
meh
biggest feature of wotlk will be inscription, paired with israelite-elcrafting you make them easy gold bucks.
>dude people who pay to win don't affect you, mind your own business
Imagine unironically defending pay to win lmao
Libertarians unironically ruined everything
Agreed
Nothing. All the RP and RP-PVP servers are dead. All the PVE servers are alliance-dominated. The most recent server I played on took all the horde refugees from Firemaw and now has 26k players logged, so it will be unplayable in wrath. This game has been mismanaged to death.
soulless
Holy cringe.
Imagine defending or liking Blizz in 2022.
attempting to prep every class before prepatch to level them all to 70. gonna boost a druid i think.
Dungeon boosts are dead
>mistacoolice
i can only imagine how cringe the rest of your names are.
>human male paladin
friends leveling
>human male warrior
>human male death knight
healers look out
what does the gigachad think about anarcho-capitalism or technocracy?