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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    And I'd do it again

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >wtf! the game didn't give me a choice! this is bullshit!
    This game made brainlets seethe so hard.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >games constantly calls you out in loading screens and dialogue abojt how the player is a monster, devs co firm this is the actual point and was intended

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The issue is more that while you can argue that it's supposed to be about you as a player controlling walker, but it's still him, you're acting through him.
      But it's much more deliberate and blatant later on that it's speaking to you, as a person, as a player of video games, and saying you are making choices to encourage the violence, the fact it feigns offering you choice and options in things like the white phospherous, or even earlier with the executions that are going on (engage vs ignore/stealth), or later with the citizens in the market after the crash... None of them really make a difference, none of them change the outcome or the flow of the game. And they lay it on SO THICK with the blame that it becomes offputting.

      >hurr it's not about YOU
      If that was the case, why even pretend to give me an option when it's not one? IE the infinitely spawning enemies with the white phosphorous. If it's supposed to be about walker's actions, why are they engaging me, the player, with a choice, that he cannot know about?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The game isn't about giving you a choice. It's about giving you a linear, visceral spectacle that doesn't celebrate you as a hero and seeing how you react to it. As you can see in this thread, some losers took it VERY personally.
        What often gets lost in the debate is that the game actually does a very good job of making you WANT to gun down wave after wave of harmless peace keepers. The soundtrack is amazing, and the radio DJ spends half the game taunting you into piling up more corpses. The first big firefight alone immediately grips you when this banger starts blaring over the city's emergency alert system:

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >game makes you delve into the world of a psycho who makes bad decisions
          >it tries to make you understand how things like that can happen
          >it forces you to cope or admit the mistakes made
          >but Im not bad!!! the game is broken!!! you cant make a game like that!!!
          complete idiots. amazing that a simple tps for the xbox filtered an entire virgin contingent on Ganker

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah this was a major flaw. The game really did a good job at making killing fun as frick, especially when it rewards you with further brutal and explosive ways to tear people limb from limb.
          It probably would have been more effective as an ARMA-type where everything is deliberate, slow and painful, slowly becoming more and more difficult to achieve even the simplest headshot as you become more mentally and in-universe physically exhausting.

          Otherwise I'm taking my shotgun and ramming it into some guy's throat and getting erect at the gore.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            it also makes killing sanitized in that video game way, where there's lots of red jelly but never any wounded men or slow deaths. guys just die instantly when their hp runs out and flop into ragdolls. watching far cry 2 npcs try to drag a wounded buddy back into cover and talk to him was ten times more effective at making me feel some qualms about clicking on heads than all the attempts at confronting the player.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know I never really got joy or an urge out of killing all the faceless goons probably because the gunplay was honestly just really shit. So that combined with the "you're not a hero" did nothing but annoy me since I actively looked for ways to just get through the game as quickly as possible.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Found the midwit

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Uh oh, did I take the words out of your mouth, moron?
        Gonna sputter angrily about how "it's a shit game and you win by not playing it" next, moron?

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No it was Konrad the old frick

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    IM SO SOWWY!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >zigger shits up yet another thread unprompted

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ganker is a Russia board

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          true!

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          IM SO SOWWY!

          true!

          >/pol/homosexuals continue to back the moron choice in every fricking race

          do you Black folk ever get tired of being wrong?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >deny reality
            >You are wrong!
            kek

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Queue the Ukrainian prostitutes partying in every country while their men get killed like pigs

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >we can't progress! MC, use the mortar!
    >*uses the mortar*
    >oh GOD MC what is WRONG with you?!?!?!
    Ok buddy. Off to page 10 you go.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >you don't have a choice
      Fricking christ you absolute morons refuse to get it don't you. You know the only time the game acknowledges the player is in the opening credits? Your account name is credited as "Special Guest", you are not a participant in the narrative you are simply an observer too it. You troglodytes cannot understand the simple concept is that is it Walker making the decisions to move forward, the only choices you make as a player is ''moral'' choices for Walker. Walker chooses to disregard his mission objectives at the very start of the game, within 5 minutes of gameplay, everything else you do in the game a consequence of his decision making.

      What do you decide as a player?
      - Shooting the first american solder you meet.
      - Saving the surrounded civs or sneaking by to get to CIA faster
      - The two hung guys
      - Shooting the water truck man
      - Shooting the civs who killed Lugo or not
      - Deciding what ending Walker gets.

      That last point being important as you are placing judgement on Walker in a sense for his actions, as you've observed everything he has done:

      1. Disregard his original orders to find refugees
      2. Begin combatting with the 33rd
      3. HE DECIDES TO USE THE WHITE PHOSPHORUS AND BLAME THE 33RD
      4. He chooses to help CIA water man and doom the few left in the city
      5. Hunting and killing the radio DJ
      6. And importantly, he was the one to decide to chase down Konrad.

      >Durrr why didn't Joel leave Eli with the fireflies I didn't have the choice durr
      Yes because Joel made that choice and that's the point of TLOU's ending is that Joel made an inherently selfies choice, dont bother debating about if sacrificing Eli would of actually cured anything, it doesn't matter. Walker is the same, he is the one to keep pushing forward, he is the one calling the shots, you're just a passive viewer, and the fact that drooling morons still can't accept the simple fact that you are not Walker, and that Walker makes decisions on his own is stupid.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cool, I'm not reading all that though. Go make another thread.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Lol wow that’s really deep bro
        Shame the game sucks shit and no one cares

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Well said.
        morons like

        Lol wow that’s really deep bro
        Shame the game sucks shit and no one cares

        probably unironically enjoyed MGS2, which is just "You will never be a Solid Snake: The Game."
        All Spec Ops did was take that one step further, and make it clear that "You will never be a hero, period."

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >You're Raiden
          is the same as
          >You're a frickup
          Bro stop samegayging, it's pathetic.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >spec ops the line decides to use a similar concept as mgs 2 but take it one step further
            >so i its not the same! b but raiden!
            stupid homosexual, stfu and learn to read what you wrote before replying.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >one step further
              into the garbage bin or off a cliff, since it's not the right direction
              swallow cyanide you homosexual

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                try some more cope, b***h. you literally did nothing but seethe.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                whatever samegay, keep crying about your flopped moralist schlock while I drink your tears

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Keep samegayging lmao, definitely won't waste your time when the other guy leaves an empty reply just to aggravate you in particular

                >phonegay
                why did you reply twice? are you moronic or is this a product of the seethe?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >NOOOO IT'S A PHONE
                It's all me. That's literally me you schizoid.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Keep samegayging lmao, definitely won't waste your time when the other guy leaves an empty reply just to aggravate you in particular

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >this brainlet doesn't even understand MGS2
            Holy fricking moron.
            It's no wonder you get angry at video games. You're REALLY fricking stupid. Lol!

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Changing up your punctuation but not how you write makes it too obvious you're a samegayging Black person and don't fricking dare use Terry picture again for Black personlicious shit takes on things

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's truly amazing how many samegays don't pick up that others can recognize writing styles. Must be the autism.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            These are my posts, you seething moron:

            >wtf! the game didn't give me a choice! this is bullshit!
            This game made brainlets seethe so hard.

            Well said.
            morons like [...] probably unironically enjoyed MGS2, which is just "You will never be a Solid Snake: The Game."
            All Spec Ops did was take that one step further, and make it clear that "You will never be a hero, period."

            [...]
            And here come the seething brainlets.
            The game isn't about "winning," you moronic homosexuals. It's a game where you are supposed to lose, and you have to be okay with losing to get anything out of the game.
            If you were a winner in real life, you would find it interesting to play a game from the perspective of a loser. But since you're not a winner in real life, you really, REALLY hate being reminded of it.

            Do you often see "samegays" that aren't there? Are you a man over the age of 18 that gets angry at scripted video game sequences?

            Yeah, because a winner would give a shit what other people think about a video game.

            >n-no u
            There it is. The nerve. I struck it.

            It was about winning you fricking dunderhead; what are you going to do besides complete the campaign, play the MP?

            Did you feel like a winner when watched the credits roll, moron?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah motherfricker I'll do all of it again, this time on FUBAR when I want to 100% the achievements.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Mental skill issue.
                Do you occasionally struggle to breathe, moron?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You sure you can't stuff another person in your mass reply?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I would reply to your mother, too, but it's hard to hear what she's saying with my wiener in her mouth. I asked if you were a loser in real life who got angry at video games and she nodded mid-swallow, though.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You are making "your mom" insults and you are calling others losers?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's truly amazing how many samegays don't pick up that others can recognize writing styles. Must be the autism.

            >all the voices in my head are the same person
            literal schizo. try arguing the point instead of drifting off into something else in an attempt to run from the discussion.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Only winning move is not to play
        >Players don't play the game
        >Game and dev team flops
        wow.... mind blown.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          ok but that doesn't change the fact the game was trash and didn't achieve its original goal
          you as the player cannot be held responsible for walker's actions because there was no choice to be made and no turning off the game is not a fricking choice
          I have no idea if your schizoid ramblings are praising the game or implying it's bad (it is) and I don't care enough to stay in this thread to find out

          And here come the seething brainlets.
          The game isn't about "winning," you moronic homosexuals. It's a game where you are supposed to lose, and you have to be okay with losing to get anything out of the game.
          If you were a winner in real life, you would find it interesting to play a game from the perspective of a loser. But since you're not a winner in real life, you really, REALLY hate being reminded of it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, because a winner would give a shit what other people think about a video game.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It was about winning you fricking dunderhead; what are you going to do besides complete the campaign, play the MP?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >homosexual projecting hard on others
            man it's fun seeing the morons that praise this shit lose their minds when anyone calls the game and the devs bullshit

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ok but that doesn't change the fact the game was trash and didn't achieve its original goal
        you as the player cannot be held responsible for walker's actions because there was no choice to be made and no turning off the game is not a fricking choice
        I have no idea if your schizoid ramblings are praising the game or implying it's bad (it is) and I don't care enough to stay in this thread to find out

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        its literally a rip off from a rip off from heart of darkness idiot

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Colonialism bad
          Yeah, I sure do unironically hate helping those less fortunate then me then 20 years down the line will hate me no matter what I do.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >helping
            >Cut off their arms. Rape their children. Steal their resources and let them scramble and kill each other over the crumbs until the sun explodes
            Inb4 "yeah based gigachad" the Black folk you raped yesterday are now invading first world nations

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              lol. lmao.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I remember watching this documentary by this Haitian dude and it’s literally this these people are delusional

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Haiti? The nation that got cut off harder than north korea? Bait harder homosexual

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, what about Vietnam when the French got kicked out?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                At the time, what’s their for being a shithole today?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This is such a perfect summation of the type of person that actually likes spec ops the line, it’s so unintentionally perfect
          The over exaggerative qualities given to the game
          The childishness of attempting to disparage similar adaptations to make it seem better by comparison
          The pettiness of the language
          The little “clever” insults to the greats of the past

          It really is a perfect unintended meme image this person really though they’re very clever
          Literal I’m 17 and mature for my age tier thinking it’s just so perfect

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          grim

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >its literally a rip off
          they told you its loosely based on apocalypse now which is based on heart of darkness. the character konrad is a nod to name of the original author. youre not being clever here

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >devs literally confirm time and time again that the message is to make the player feel like a monster for doing shit he has no control
        but yeah sure, your mental gymnastics about this mediocre tps "filtering" anyone are the truth

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >

        >we can't progress! MC, use the mortar!


        >*uses the mortar*
        >oh GOD MC what is WRONG with you?!?!?!
        Ok buddy. Off to page 10 you go.
        >>you don't have a choice
        >Fricking christ you absolute morons refuse to get it don't you. You know the only time the game acknowledges the player is in the opening credits? Your account name is credited as "Special Guest", you are not a participant in the narrative you are simply an observer too it. You troglodytes cannot understand the simple concept is that is it Walker making the decisions to move forward, the only choices you make as a player is ''moral'' choices for Walker. Walker chooses to disregard his mission objectives at the very start of the game, within 5 minutes of gameplay, everything else you do in the game a consequence of his decision making.
        >
        >What do you decide as a player?
        >- Shooting the first american solder you meet.
        >- Saving the surrounded civs or sneaking by to get to CIA faster
        >- The two hung guys
        >- Shooting the water truck man
        >- Shooting the civs who killed Lugo or not
        >- Deciding what ending Walker gets.
        >
        >That last point being important as you are placing judgement on Walker in a sense for his actions, as you've observed everything he has done:
        >
        >1. Disregard his original orders to find refugees
        >2. Begin combatting with the 33rd
        >3. HE DECIDES TO USE THE WHITE PHOSPHORUS AND BLAME THE 33RD
        >4. He chooses to help CIA water man and doom the few left in the city
        >5. Hunting and killing the radio DJ
        >6. And importantly, he was the one to decide to chase down Konrad.
        >
        why didn't Joel leave Eli with the fireflies I didn't have the choice durr
        >Yes because Joel made that choice and that's the point of TLOU's ending is that Joel made an inherently selfies choice, dont bother debating about if sacrificing Eli would of actually cured anything, it doesn't matter. Walker is the same, he is the one to keep pushing forward, he is the one calling the shots, you're just a passive viewer, and the fact that drooling morons still can't accept the simple fact that you are not Walker, and that Wa

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Well said.
        morons like [...] probably unironically enjoyed MGS2, which is just "You will never be a Solid Snake: The Game."
        All Spec Ops did was take that one step further, and make it clear that "You will never be a hero, period."

        The problem with this is that the game format is not useful to tell this story. If it was a movie or a book where the reader was truly an observer that would be different, but the problem is by making it a game where there is more interactivity BUT not giving the player true control over the actions and outcomes is halfassed. The player has some very minor potential to intercede but not where it counts, yet the game will constantly scream about YOU DID THIS LOOK AT YOU HORRIBLE ONE WITH THE CONTROLLER IN YOUR HANDS HOW CAN YOU THINK THIS IS FUN HUH HUH HUH , doesn't feel justified.

        The reason that a murder hobo run through Undertale works telling the player they're horrible is because it was the player's choice to do that. Spec Ops: The Line doesn't give that chance. You're not given the chance to "do everything right". You can't stop the white phosphorus usage etc, yet the game still suggests that you're a bad person for allowing it to happen or whatever. They could have done the whole thing better, but because of not fully committing to it either being Walker's story entirely or putting his actions meaningfully in the players' hands and then ramifications for such decisions, it falls flat and doesn't feel accurate.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >a game where you play as a monster
          >you irl are not the monster
          >was the point of the whole experience
          context. its a lot to take in, isnt it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >You are an actor
            >As an actor you get to personally make choices on what happens next
            >The play director calls you, not the person you are acting as, for being bad for making said choices
            kay.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >>As an actor you get to personally make choices on what happens next
              except for a lot of it, where you dont. actor, remember? you have a script. the game is scripted. try to follow me here, but you experience the story as far as the script allowed you to. the more fricked things got, and more you were allowed to see walker's circumstances, play the game, thus the more you understood their point of view. now you understand the story. congratulations.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Didn't read the post
                You just enjoy making stupid arguments, don't you after you went on a rant about how you fricked my mother.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >you went on a rant about how you fricked my mother.
                who did that? youre a schizo and this is your coping mechanism. I get it. you sound like a homosexual asking for sympathy on Ganker though. b***h.
                >As an actor you get to personally make choices on what happens next
                you skipped over my reply and begged for sympathy because you know youre wrong and this was your weak way of getting out of it. pathetic. no, you didnt get to make all the important choices in the game and you are acting like you did. because 'muh actors choose what they do, durr.'

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >NOOOO IT'S A PHONE
                you even type like a redditor. stop and go to resetera now

                wow what a shitty story then

                its not shitty just because you didnt figure it out until now. definition of filtered.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                LMAO did you really mess up your (you)?

                Here you go dumb nig, since you're losing badly.

                >NOOOO IT'S A PHONE
                It's all me. That's literally me you schizoid.

                IT'S A PHONE
                >you even type like a redditor. stop and go to resetera now

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >LMAO did you really mess up your (you)?
                looks like you replied though. too bad youre still whining about nothing. you must be a really little man with no brains and no life. say something substance or suck a dick, you serve no purpose otherwise.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the message of the game is bland and you can see it coming from a mile away
                >nothing really impactful about it
                yep it is shitty
                >f-filtered
                ah so that other anon was right

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the message of the game is bland and you can see it coming from a mile away
                but you admitted that you didnt get it until someone on here explained it to you
                >nothing really impactful about it
                but here you are, eleven years after the fact talking about it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >acts like a pussy
                >thinks that i am that other anon he was talking with
                >thinks the story was impactful when it's mostly a moron making a thread about and getting BTFO every single time
                the story has the impact of a wet fart

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >acts like a pussy
                youre still filtered by an Xbox 360 game, no matter how many times you whine about the game. and that makes you the b***h.
                >thinks that i am that other anon he was talking with
                none of that means anything. the point of being anonymous is to reply to the content of the post, not who is who. you turning into a gay over imagined samegayging or other schizo claims, demonstrates why youre the moron who doesnt get it. reddit is for you.
                >thinks the story was impactful when it's mostly a moron making a thread about and getting BTFO every single time
                youre so hurt, that rather than saying anything youd rather spam 'uh BTFO durr' thinking you did anything. youre a mouth breathing homosexual of the worst kind.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >confirms that he acted like a pussy and couldn't answer to my post
                >some random babble about reddit, THE place that loves this game, after i cslled out it's simple and shitty story
                >got butthurt over the truth the message had so little impact people would rather shit on it
                EL OH EL

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                wow what a shitty story then

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You missed the point. The issue isn't that its a story about a monster, the issue is that its a story about a monster that turns around and blames the player for the monster's actions, when the player doesn't have sufficient control upon them to be worthy of that blame. That is the problem, its not only keeping its supposed critique to the actions of a monster protagonist, but turns around and says "Youre not only horrible for enjoying this,but look at all you've caused" when players could LITERALLY try to shoot above the civilian's heads or stop the use of white phosphorus but the game doesn't recognize that, yet blames the player regardless, not the monster character in universe.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              you play as walker. walker does fricked up things, sees things that arent there, kills people when that wasnt his mission (but by then its too late), and you have to take it all in. you probably realize by the end that walker was in a bad situation and made poor decisions. in order to survive he had to do horrible things, and thats what the game designers were aiming for. if you took it personally - when you literally have no agency to change the outcome of what walker wanted to do, then you let it go over your head. they wanted you to feel like a frick up, but only in the sense that youre playing as walker - who was the frick up. they tried to make you feel what he felt.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                nice headcanon, none of that is truth and devs intended you, player, to feel like it was your fault (see loading screens)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >forgets that walker is a delusional killer with faulty memory
                >nah uh the game said it was me so bad game
                looks like you still didnt get it. you were supposed to have the experience of being this nutcase, walker. thats the point of a video game, to play as someone else. in this case it was a ptsd maniac. thats all.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >forgets, or rather conveniently ignores, that the intentions of the devs was to make the player feel like shit for everything they did (see their interviews and the loading screens) because it contradicts his headcanon
                looks like you got filtered

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >forgets that the video game wanted you to feel what walker was feeling
                >still thinks it was about the gamers choice when he didnt have the ability to make all of the choices
                looks like you didnt read the reply. youre a dumb ass and you want to look smart. the worst kind.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >conveniently keeps ignoring the intention of the devs, how they confirmed it in the game with the loading screens and their interviews and has absolutely no refutal to those other than his weird headcanon
                Hilariously filtered

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >thinks hes walker
                >thinks he made all the decisions
                >thinks that making the player feel like walker means he is walker
                are you going to keep playing this brainlet game with the same brainlet take?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >mad bevause he got filtered about the devs confirming none of his moronic headcanons are right
                when you make an actual point that doesn't ignore what the devs intended, the player feeling bad for what they did (see their interviews and loading screens) then maybe but i doubt it since it shits on your headcanon

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                There are lots of games that make it clear that they're critiquing the character's behavior in universe, you're seeing the story from the side of the murder hobo or the tyrant or whatever the hell, and you are getting their perspective, watching as they make decisions and the story plays out. That's fine. However the problem with SpecOps was that it tried to critique the player in a 2deep4u "You enjoy playing FPS well you made this happen" element and further lean on this by way of giving the player some choice, but not enough. There are multiple endings based on certain choices. There are some smaller less impactful things you can do or not earlier (an anon mentioned some of them above) and use this as a way to bind it to the player's direction, not just Walker's story playing out. Thus it tries to say something about playing military shooters or whatnot, but doesn't commit to either side.

                They could made made a game where it was Walker's decisions and players had liitle if any impact in them, and then gave them something to think about how this contrasted with most Cowadoody style military shooters, but the twist of his PTSD and other horrible actions messing with the familiar dynamics of shooting enemies in the sand pit, but the critique was on Walker's in universe decisions which you came to understand, and was different from most shooter stories of its era. They could have made a game where the "gamified" cowadoody stuff would push you towards killstreaks ULTRA COMBOs, using more destructive weapons, going off mission, killing civvies etc...but you had the full power to resist falling into that behavior and instead going through the adventure as ethically as possible, and putting you in situations where it was hard to know the "right" thing, and then the game progression/ending would impugn the player for choices they made and make the player reflect on how most games abstract this. SO:TL didn't commit to either path.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >However the problem with SpecOps was that it tried to critique the player in a 2deep4u "You enjoy playing FPS well you made this happen" element and further lean on this by way of giving the player some choice, but not enough.
                I took it as this, war is a horrible place and you have to do horrible things to survive. its not a place for 'heroes' like most shooter games make you feel. walker hallucinates and disobeys orders, taking you on a ride through a psychotic soldier hellbent on finishing this through. you get to decide a few things, and decide on the ending, but that doesnt change the story or how messed up walker is. so to say it doesnt commit is something I dont agree with, as it lets you make in game choices for smaller dilemmas, but you dont get to write your own larger narrative. its a game and its a story where you have to follow its beat. a lot of games are like that but you dont get the rug pulled out from underneath you in most of them. in spec ops they try to do this. but its still a shooter and its still a narrative, I dont think it failed in either respect
                >They could made made a game where it was Walker's decisions and players had liitle if any impact in them, and then gave them something to think about how this contrasted with most Cowadoody style military shooters
                I wouldnt mind that at all. but doing so takes away the players' burden completely. giving you the option of getting off the psycho ride makes it a distinctly different story. the way they did it was to fool the player into thinking hes in control, when he is not. that youre doing the right thing when youre not. its ultimately the storyteller's story, and they switched everything on you for the surprise twist. I like your idea, but I understand what they wanted to do, and agree with it because it affected so many to this day. your game would be great too, though.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I think the issue here is that the combination of both giving you some (minor) decision making ability mixed with the major conceit of it trying to claim YOU MADE THIS HAPPEN to the player, is the issue if it is structured as just a narrative about how one particularly mentally harmed soldier breaks more and more due to the stresses of war. If they didn't try to say or imply anything about the player (as opposed ot the character) despite their lack of true agency, then this would have been a fine path. Making it seem like the character himself is in control when he's not, unreliable narrator style is fine, but when you both do that to the player and yet also make implied and explicit moral judgments about the player's role in it all. If they would have avoided that it could have been a "non heroic war story" about the character itself and would have been viable. However since they attempt to shift it onto the player it comes a bit like people running in fear from Anthony Hopkins claiming he must be a psychopath, because he played Hannibal Lecter onscreen.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not a single game throughout all of video game history has "true control"

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I played it for the first time in january on hard difficulty and its a tps that holds up pretty well. I enjoyed it and Im not caught up in the way the story led me, that was the point of the story. a lot of players want full agency over where things 'should go' and forget to let the story unfold the way it was meant to. just because its a video game that youre playing doesnt mean you get to decide the meaning of whats happening or where its going narratively, and thats a steep ask for the smooth brained average player. just the seethe in this thread shows you that people in here dont even read books or grasp what the developers wanted to give you as an experience.
        >wah wah this is not high art, wah
        >muh Ganker memes

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Would it be a stretch to not anticipate gamers wanting more narrative agency or choice in their games during the release window of Telltale's The Walking Dead? I can't blame gamers having this in foresight, and I can't continue to find fault with anyone past 2012 getting frustrated with Spec Ops' storytelling.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The issue is that games present a choice, the scene either goes "Oh no, Max died" or "Max lived but Bobbert died" or "Everyone is dead because of you" only for Max and Bobbert to never have any impact on the story after said scene.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Right, which doubles back to being a production/studio/writer issue of presenting choice while also telling a linear, defined story.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >You know the only time the game acknowledges the player is in the opening credits?
        Not bothering with the rest because you're objectively wrong, the game accuses you in the loading screens of being a monster unless you're trying to pretend the character can also see the load zones.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Nice Copypasta homosexual I remember posted this the last time you made this thread

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Good post. Shame you intimidated so many dullards. Video games don't attract bright people.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >t. autistic samegay
          Are you really that pathetic you need to reply to your own post complimenting yourself?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Kek, this. I literally laughed at this scene because it was such an obviously railroaded and forced thing that you could see coming from a mile away. I enjoyed the game but the devs utterly failed on the storytelling aspect when it comes to this.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    and i'd do it again.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This reminds me of the good ole days where yahtzee could be made to seethe just by the existence of a military shooter

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Haha, oops

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Fire, fire, fire, fire!

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Youre an errand boy OP. Send by grocery clerks...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Heh

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Wanna see me do it again?

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >It's not your choice, it was Walker's to use the mortar
    >game shows that you cannot mechanically choose anything else
    What a bunch of fricking Black folk.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    God forbid you do your job

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Did what?

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It unironically kind of ruined my immersion that I was forced into certain decisions. Not because it was the only option but because it flaunted another path and then the game cheats to stop you. I remember doing or not doing something the game it didn't want then it just spawns like 10 guys at once but I killed all of them in an instant because high skill only to die to nothing because NOOOO YOU CANT OUTSKILL OUR ILLUSION OF CHOICE! and from that moment forward I had no stake in the game

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you bet I did

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >skill issue
    Zoomer confirmed, I accept your concession perm-hair wiener lover.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot to reply, moron. Were you angry, moron?
      Here, I'll do it for you, moron:

      Mental skill issue.
      Do you occasionally struggle to breathe, moron?

      >homosexual projecting hard on others
      man it's fun seeing the morons that praise this shit lose their minds when anyone calls the game and the devs bullshit

      >p-projection! y-you're literally GOING INSANE
      You got outed as a loser and a seething brainlet. Replying angrily is not the rebuttal you think it is. Lol!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >continues to project on others
        >goes nuclear when called out
        >IM NOT ANGRY, YOU ARE SEE?? LOL I SAID LOL MEANS IM NOT ANGRY LOL SEE!1!!!
        I struck a nerve, but that always happens when the brainlets defending this game are called out

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    People have always had to suffer before they received God's mercy, you don't pass the Gates of Heaven without suffering OP. Sure, you can pray for them, hope that their death is quick and painless. But sometimes it's best to get all that suffering out of the way, be it with your hands, a knife or the purifying heat of white phosphorus. I don't do it for merely my own sadistic pleasure, I'm not "just" burning people to death OP

    I merely bring them closer to God.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What a dogshit game. Force the player to do something and then be like “hurr Durr this is your fault”.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >I was just following orders
    You're the one that choose to play the hero, moron

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Nevermind your typing style is a millennial attempting to be a zoomer, saying dumb shit like "skill issue" to fit in despite the arthritis in your fingers fricking that up.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot to reply, moron. Were you angry, moron?
      Here, I'll do it for you, moron:

      You forgot to reply, moron. Were you angry, moron?
      Here, I'll do it for you, moron: [...]
      [...]
      >p-projection! y-you're literally GOING INSANE
      You got outed as a loser and a seething brainlet. Replying angrily is not the rebuttal you think it is. Lol!

      >continues to project on others
      >goes nuclear when called out
      >IM NOT ANGRY, YOU ARE SEE?? LOL I SAID LOL MEANS IM NOT ANGRY LOL SEE!1!!!
      I struck a nerve, but that always happens when the brainlets defending this game are called out

      >repeating what he read me type
      You're absolutely fuming, moron. Lol!
      Quick, reply again. I'm enjoying raping you up and down this thread.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >YOU ARE FUMING SEE LOL I LOLED AGAIN IT MEANS IM NOT ANGRY!1!1!!
        this shit is just sad now, can't believe just calling out how you are projecting hard on others would cause you to shit yourself this badly but that is exoecred from something that praises that gsme lmao

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >but that is exoecred from something that praises that gsme lmao
          Calm down, moron. In your abject rage, you made multiple typos, which is embarrassing when you're trying to play down what an angry moron you are.
          Do you often struggle with typing when you're angry, moron?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >YOU TYPED WRONG IT MEANS YOUR MAD, MAD AND ME NOT !!1!
            lmao no im actally enjoying you seething rage

            [...]
            You forgot to reply, monkey. Were you angry, monkey?
            Here, I'll do it for you, monkey: [...]

            you moronic ass got mindbroken after i called out your projections

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >ook ook ook
              Sorry, monkey, but your angry ooking is becoming unintelligible. Please leave and eat a banana or something to calm down.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >continues to stay mad sfter i called out his projections makes moronic post after moronic post
                Lmoa

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >ook ook ook
                What's that, monkey? Monkey want a banana? Calm down, monkey. Your anger is palpable.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Hey homosexual you forgot to reply to this

                He's REALLY going all out huh? What, is this a marketing thread trying to feel out for a Spec Ops remake? There's no fricking way right?

                Fricking moronic no-standard having Black person

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >literally mindbroken
                i would be sad if it wasn't so hilarious to see

                >ook ook ook
                That's one angry monkey. Lol! Look at it shriek!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >literally mindbroken
                i would be sad if it wasn't so hilarious to see

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit, that's fricked up!

    ...Anyway, I can progress now and continue this batshit wild ride.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >executing wounded enemies gets progressively more brutal as the game moves forward

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    mediocre 3rd person shooter 4/10

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Definitely seething by insisting to (you) your own post. I appears I cannot stop winning.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      shut up ranjiit

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the seething brainlet is a third world monkey
      pfffffffthahahahahahaha holy shit this monkey can't even speak human! No wonder it got angry at Spec Ops!
      You forgot to reply, monkey. Were you angry, monkey?
      Here, I'll do it for you, monkey:

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      homosexual got hilariously mad

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        He's double-replying to me using the same format now lmao, all of this "monkey" speak is just nothing if you're not going to go full bird Black person.

        I am certain I was on the money calling him a millennial trying to fit in as a zoomer. He needs to grow up and find a more productive manner of aggressively arguing for dumb artsy shit like Spec Ops.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        He's double-replying to me using the same format now lmao, all of this "monkey" speak is just nothing if you're not going to go full bird Black person.

        I am certain I was on the money calling him a millennial trying to fit in as a zoomer. He needs to grow up and find a more productive manner of aggressively arguing for dumb artsy shit like Spec Ops.

        You forgot to reply, monkey. Were you angry, monkey?
        Here, I'll do it for you, monkey:

        [...]
        You forgot to reply, monkey. Were you angry, monkey?
        Here, I'll do it for you, monkey: [...]

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Seething so much he stopped talking about the video game

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He just cannot stop with the assmad typing, it's like cruise control for cool dudes but repurposed for the English language.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's always the artsy "2 deep 4 u" people who get assblasted like this.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's always the artsy "2 deep 4 u" people who get assblasted like this.

      You forgot to reply, monkey. Were you angry, monkey?
      Here, I'll do it for you, monkey:

      >the seething brainlet is a third world monkey
      pfffffffthahahahahahaha holy shit this monkey can't even speak human! No wonder it got angry at Spec Ops!
      You forgot to reply, monkey. Were you angry, monkey?
      Here, I'll do it for you, monkey:

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    And I'd frickin do it again with a flamethrower this time.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is the game worth trying out?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If you can get it for $5-7 it's a pretty good one-time playthrough.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      just pirate it

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    DO
    BETTER

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    FUBAR difficulty was ultra lame. You were actively punished for using squad commands and the AA12 could one shot you at literally any range

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >grammar nazi in 2023
    lmao this guy's a chud fr fr

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Not my problem.

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >11 years later
    >Ganker still gets filtered by Babby's Second Deconstructive piece of media.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >108 replies
    >48 posters

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >o-one reply per poster, pwease...
      go back to yt comments

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    He's REALLY going all out huh? What, is this a marketing thread trying to feel out for a Spec Ops remake? There's no fricking way right?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      moron really wants to fight the sub-IQ denizens of Ganker, but because he plays nothing else he can only do so in a Spec Ops thread. I do it myself sometimes, simply by going into an Elden Ring thread and being intentionally abrasive.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Devs if you're here let me shove a machete into peoples' chests and blow half their heads off with a shotgun.
      I'd feel really, really, really, really bad about it.
      Love you bby <3

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, just an autist who likes attention and thinks they are smarter then everyone despite constantly getting BTFO

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      nah just the usual moron that thinks that shitty game is "filtering" anyone

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    And now it's a (You) problem.
    Bye-bye!

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Get to this part
    >Got up to go get a drink
    >Missed the whole ebin twist
    Literally not my problem

  40. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The more a game tries to be didactic the less I become empathetic with it's characters and the point it's trying to make. Here, the game literally forces you to kill these people and then shits on you for killing them. Then you realize it's just a game and it doesn't really matter and all you want is to see the ending to see what point the developers were trying to make.

  41. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >NOT THE HECKIN CIVILIARINOS!!!
    there's nothing more embarassing than soislurping homosexuals trying to make a point about war

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >oi vey, who cares about goyim?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        random arabs are goyim too.

  42. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >call this homosexual a grammar nazi
    >he starts falling apart
    >just forgets to be over verbose with the monkey talk and use of pseudointellectual talk

    >say something substance or suck a dick, you serve no purpose otherwise.
    L O L, I accept your concession fully. I hereby knight you as my squire you fricking LOSER. L-O-S-E-R.

  43. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I never seen somebody this fricking pissed off over other people not liking a game

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      its the dummies who didnt get it that cry about it the most. look at how many empty, seething replies these homosexuals have. they cant even explain why they feel the way they do besides 'muh actors' and 'its not a book how dare they take away my choices and make me feel like a monster'

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Shut up homosexual you've lost the argument for a while now

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          lmao youve never said anything though. youre just seething

  44. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >this thread
    thank you Ganker for lightening up my weekend

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No problem pal. its always fun shitting on morons praising this turd especially those that project their insecurities on others

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >>mmm we smart

      No problem pal. its always fun shitting on morons praising this turd especially those that project their insecurities on others

      >>yeah pal dont mention it
      >samegayging this hard that its actually homosexual

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >samegayging
        jesus the gay got mindbroken HARD

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >replying to his own posts to make the opposite side looks like a schizo
        really makes you think

  45. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Another thread and another homosexual that thinks he is smart for talking about this game getting BTFO

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >another non-sequitur gay crying it up in order to cover up for his BTFO in said thread

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >literally crying after getting BTFO multiple times
        KEK

  46. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You are not allowed to try and make video game characters empathetic. They are pixels on a screen. They shouldn't even be allowed to talk. They exist as coins to be collected, goombas to stomp on, or vendors for me to buy things from. That is it. This disturbing trend of trying to make games into movies is nothing short of sickening, and anytime a game tries to make a character relatable or have emotions, it is beyond disgusting.

    >be playing BOTW
    >Zelda starts crying about her feelings
    >feel the urge to smash her teeth in for daring to waste my time

    >be playing Xenoblade
    >Shulk cries about Fiora or Melia cries about her dead dad
    >immediately turn off the game and never play it again

    >be watching a playthrough of Uncharted
    >Nathan Drake makes some snarky quips but then they try and have a "serious emotional moment"
    >turn off the video in disgust

    Get that through your heads, game devs. Pixels and polygons do not deserve rights, they are not living things. They live and die for the amusement of the audience, nothing more. that's why Spec Ops was such a bad game. It dared to lecture me about how video game pixels have feelings. Same reason why Undertale failed in the end. I do not care about these things, stop asking me to care for them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      (you)

  47. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Identify them as civilians by the way they were all huddling in the corner
    >actively avoid hitting them
    >game wont let me progress until I kill them, tried numerous ways
    >game proceeds to guilt trip me
    shit game, although Walkers descent into madness was kino

  48. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like only self-inserters got btfo by this game, everyone that understands that it's just fiction were unaffected by the story. Far cry 5 did a better job at making you feel like you were responsible for the bad things happening.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      since self inserting was the point, confirmed by the devs, then no
      only the morons that think this shit is filtering anyone got btfo, as always

  49. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Who the frick are these people who STILL write multiple paragraph defenses of this pseudo-intellectual garbage that hates you for playing it?

  50. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Definitely not the same person, doesn't have the same energy as this loser from earlier.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >ook ook ook
      You forgot to reply, monkey. Were you angry, monkey?

  51. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Replies:176
    >Posters:62

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oh no, people are posting multiple times in the same thread! How could this be?!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Completely missing the point
        Autism confirmed

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No your replying to yourself multiple times in the same thread, kys samegay

  52. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Play game infamous for a delusional hero-complex protagonist trapped in purgatory committing war crimes
    >WTF? Why am I committing war crimes

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >play game infamous for it's shit story and overall mediocre gameplay
      >call out said story
      >mindbreak some idiot that only knows the word "filtered"
      damn, so ez

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >ook ook ook
        We get it, monkey, you learned the human word "mindbreak" and are trying hard to project your own seething monkey temper onto others.
        Speaking of temper, you may want to calm down, monkey. A few of the humiliated morons in this thread are reporting my posts, and if they see a monkey in a human thread, you could get in trouble.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >play game
      >get lecture

      Yes, this is a problem. Video games need to shut up, speech is reserved for living human beings only.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Play game infamous for a delusional hero-complex protagonist trapped in purgatory committing war crimes
        >WTF? Why am I committing war crimes

  53. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I laughed and turned game off. It's a bad game.

  54. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Based reporters asking jannies to sweep up posts from a loser failing to start a flame war

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Based reporters
      Holy fricking homosexual.
      It is never, EVER, acceptable to report posts when you get humiliated online. You are now the screeching homosexual who runs screaming and crying to the teacher when you get bullied at recess for being a little queer.
      There is nothing more humiliating a self-own than this. You just outed yourself as a bullied homosexual. Lol!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You gonna cry homosexual?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Based reporters
          Holy fricking homosexual.
          It is never, EVER, acceptable to report posts when you get humiliated online. You are now the screeching homosexual who runs screaming and crying to the teacher when you get bullied at recess for being a little queer.
          There is nothing more humiliating a self-own than this. You just outed yourself as a bullied homosexual. Lol!

          Based reporters asking jannies to sweep up posts from a loser failing to start a flame war

          Will you two get a room already?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Actually, YOU cried. As evidenced by the reporting. You literally ran, crying and screaming, to the maid, begging for the rape to stop.
          You will never live down this humiliation. Lol!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            the mod saw your samegay b***hing and got rid of it. no big deal. grow up, youre probably 30 acting like a 12 year old child

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Humiliation? I’m not the one sperging out on a Korean Entomology forum
            Also I’m not the one who reported you

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            get your meds you moronic autistic Black person

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >posts the same thread and Copypastas
            >people see through him, call him out for being a samegay and report him
            >freaks out and goes on autistic rant
            Jesus you’re pathetic

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >thinks I posted the thread
              >thinks I'm samegayging
              What's it called when you're objectively wrong and deluded into believing things because you're angry?
              I think that's what the monkey here called being "mindbroken." Lol!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Keep digging that hole samegay

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >ook ook ook
                Look at the mindbreak on this monkey!
                It's such an angry little monkey! It even had to run screaming and crying for help because it got raped! Lol!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Cope

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That's enough ooking, monkey. Go eat a banana and die young. Lol!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What was that you said about mind broken? Typical autist kek

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >ook ook ook
                This monkey has been ooking for hours now. God, it must be humiliating to get raped this hard as a monkey.

  55. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Holy fricking cringe not reading all of that

  56. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No Walker did

  57. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >they didn't shoot the crowd to get as high of a kill count as possible
    >they didn't enjoy it
    baka my head

  58. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Firstly, obvious spoilers for the game Spec Ops: The Line.

    Secondly, I can't claim that anything written here is completely original. This is just drawn some from my experience playing the game and the excellent ebook "Killing is Harmless" by Brendan Keogh, do read it if you have the time.

    I was inspired to write this by some recent reviews of The Last of Us 2, which criticised the way the game seems to be criticising the player for participating in virtual violence, while also offering no way forward other than violence. This isn't exclusive to TLOU2 - several games have received the similar criticisms, for example Far Cry 5 and the way in which Joseph Seed criticises the player for violently interfering in his plans.

    But I think there's one game where the railroading of the player is not only done on purpose, but in fact serves one of the key themes of the game. That game is Spec Ops: The Line (SO:TL). And the reason why it works is that SO:TL is a commenting on the FPS games that were popular at the time by explicitly questioning the player's role in participating in virtual violence.

    Some context: Development on SO:TL started in 2007, the same year that smash hit COD4: Modern Warfare was selling like crazy and only a year after Gears of War brought the brown shooter palette to prominence. The gritty military shooter was at the forefront of video game consciousness.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Now, let's talk about that one scene that is always brought up. I'm talking about the white phosphorous scene of course, where you have no choice to use it on the enemy, and it is later revealed that you massacred civilians. The most common criticism of the game is that "I had no choice! The game would let me progress without doing so!" Well my friend, that is exactly the point. There is no way to progress with a clean conscience, in the exact same way you cannot progress in Gears of War, or Call of Duty, or whatever other shooter game there is without mowing down enemies. This is exactly what the game is trying to make you examine! The game is constantly making you commit these acts of violence, constantly showing you just how fricked up the entire situation is, and yet you keep on playing. The loading screens ask if you "feel like a hero yet". The scenes with mannequins that play with the idea that you're not shooting real people. The game is trying to question exactly why you keep on progressing. The point is for the player to take responsibility for the virtual violence you are inflicting. Because that is what you do when you play a military shooter! You kill virtual people, but hey, none of it matters! It's not real, right?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The message here is that you either accept that it's not real - that the virtual violence isn't real violence - and therefore you are OK with continuing to play, that you accept your role and continue. Or you reject it and stop playing, because you've found the line you're not willing to cross. If you're not willing to push the button and "kill" all those virtual people, you don't get to see what happens. Because that's what happens in a military shooter. You kill people, and the game goes on. I don't think the game is trying to say this makes you a bad person, but the game is simply taking that premise and taking it its extreme, just like any deconstruction of the genre could.

        The question it poses is this: with all the virtual violence you inflict, why do you still expect to be called a hero?

        A few more notes:

        Again, this is hardly a unique interpretation of the game. I'm sure I'm not the first person who has thought of this. And I don't think the game is exclusively about player agency and military shooters - the game has a lot to say, and I'm sure someone else could write something about what the game says about say Western military intervention.

        I wouldn't say you have to like what the game does. If you think the game is dumb, or bad, for not letting you continue to play - for not giving you a choice to keep going with less violence, that's fine. But I think giving the player that option would in this case diminish what the game has to say.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The whole thing screams pretentious pseudo-intellectual nonsense I feel no empathy or regret for the people I kill in games because they’re just a string of ones and zeros. There’s nothing to them the charred mother and daughter don’t elicit what the devs wanted to because they’re not real they had no life or existence before that moment in the game and they ceased to exist after. Anything you feel at that moment about the Walkers/your actions are momentary they don’t last once you close the game. And having the game and by extension the devs cynically ask if “you feel like a hero” comes off as disingenuous at best and patronizing at worst.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I feel no empathy or regret for the people I kill in games
          Yeah, you and 99.9% of the population.
          That's why everyone got so triggered by the game lol

  59. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the shooting in this game is so bad and boring, how did any of you play it for more than 10 minutes?

  60. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can't believe how badly this game triggers self-inserters and somehow also /misc/tards.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I can’t believe how butthurt you are

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