YOU DID THIS!
YOU DID THIS!
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YOU DID THIS!
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Yay, pack of ammo
>Singleplayer story driven game makes you follow the story
>11 years later, people are still butthurt about it
pottery
A game, like any other story, would have to have indications about who the story is actually symbolically about.
If this were an exam your English teacher would take away points now and ask for the proof in the text for your theories.
A proof in favor of Walker being (You) are the loading screen tips, and since there is no evidence of the contrary being true then it's pretty clear that the game is in fact talking to the player as well. And in turn, worsening the narrative for throwing away player agency and being needlessly preachy.
Why are amerimutts so fragile? Do you feel insulted for getting labeled a terrorist?
How did you read my post and actually come to the conclusion that your reply applies to anything I have said?
Well, being an ESL certainly doesn't help your case.
cope
I accept your concession
the game tries to scold me: the player, for doing things that the game forces me to do
The game is only emulating the mind state of Walker you fucking retard. The player only progresses the story and sees it through, he is not Walker.
I don’t follow any stories in vidya. needless to say spec ops the line was utter garbage
No wonder, you sound like a complete retard.
Why do you keep changing IPs and samefagging the whole thread?
hey smoothskin, ain't ya heard of the geneva convention?!
>feel bad about killing civilians!
no
>mercilessly killing hundreds of people in gameplay
>neat
>killing people in cutscene segment
>AGHHHHHHH THE HORROR WHAT HAVE I DONE
Videogames cant have this kind of morality when its the corner stone of the gameplay. TLOU2 was the worst with this.
>Videogames cant have this kind of morality when its the corner stone of the gameplay.
Civilians are not the same as combatants anon.
I wonder why people are angry about this game though, do they mistakenly believe that liberal interventionists aka neocons, are on their side in the culture war? They aren't, neocons love drag queen story hour. They are on Biden's side too because Biden wants WW3 and that is all they care about.
>civillians
Those were indistinguishable dots under an otherwise invincible humvee with infinite ammo. The dead civillian textures only appeared later.
Centrist cucks are still operating on old firmware. They think leftists are the anti-war side and warmongering is what "their side" is supposed to do. In actuality, everything has been flipped around where leftists LOVE global interventionism to spread global homo everywhere and rightwing populists are anti-war and home country first.
You could have quit playing the game, but no, you had to do this.
i wonder how the devs would have responded if tons of people asked for a refund instead of dropping the willy pete.
>be tester for the game
>play white phosphorous mission
>stop playing the game like it wants me too
>get fired
????
Apparently this is an hour and a half into the game, so they could've absolutely seen a ton of refunds on the Steam side if refunds were actually allowed back then.
No, Walker did it. The story is not about you, the player, it's about Walker. Just like LoK is a story about Kain and Raziel, or LoZ is a story about Link and Zelda.
>B-But muh loading screen tips!
Cheeky 4th wall breaking with no larger significance
>Don't you feel bad about playing a bad man?
Not really, no. It's not real.
Where does this persecution complex come from? The game is nowhere near as preachy as people are making it out to be, and at the points that it is, it is not directed towards the player but the main character of the story.
Do you also get offended when you play as Trevor in GTA and get called a lunatic by someone in-game?
I laughed when I bombed them, I laughed after because I'm playing a stupid video game.
>Do you also get offended when you play as Trevor in GTA and get called a lunatic by someone in-game?
Yes this site is absolutely in a state where unironically this would get posted. We aren't Ganker tier bad yet but fucking hell the RE4 posting follows this exact snowflake logic and is inescapable right now.
The hilarity of the 4th wall breaks is that they are not really about the game, but about the genre. There are 2 narratives going on simultaneously. The first is Walker's, and the second is an examination of the modern military shooter always making the combat scenarios excessively sanitized from the mess that actual war and combat are. The loading screens remind the player its a game, but do ask the player to consider how absurd it is that in CoD, outside of 1 shock jock mission, civilians are always conveniently absent from the conflict.
all these years later and brainlets are still seething about this game
>game satirizes its own genre while still telling a decent story about a man's descent into madness
>mildly needles the player with some 4th wall breaks about indulging in childish power fantasies
>illiterate gamers flip their shit
it's almost like they've never read a book
if they did read they would realize it was awful story done much better dozens of times
This
But when you look at it like that, it makes the game look bad and really shallow. Like a CoD parody made by someone who never played CoD, kind of like how DDLC was a VN parody made by someone who never read a VN.
A game that got so much critical praise back in the day wouldn't POSSIBLY have a message as simple as "war is bad", right? So they try to justify the critical praise by overcomplicating the message of the story so that it seems deeper than it actually was, even if that leads to a bunch of holes and inconsistencies in the actual message.
>story about a man's descent into madness
>needles the player with some 4th wall breaks
So which one is it?
Is the game about Walker or the player?
Which one is it, smart ass?
1.the game isnt called legend of walker, so dunno why youre using naming convention
2. walker is a proxy for the person playing the game (its called a metaphor)
3. youre gay
>No, Walker did it. The story is not about you, the player, it's about Walker.
Walker would not have murdered those people if you never touched the controller. The entire point of games is the player agency. If the game puts zero responsibility on the player for their actions, then it has failed as a videogame, and it has especially failed as a critique of videogames as a medium, which is what literally every games journo outlet claimed this was back in the day.
Trust me, anyone who tries to claim this game "isn't a meta commentary" wasn't born yet when it came out. Because journos shoved this game down your THROAT about how it "BTFO'd CoD" and "changed the shooter landscape forever". Because journos back then thought that CoD was pro-war, even though CoDs like CoD4 and WaW also tackled these concepts.
Please refrain from any further attempts at trying to be smart as those clearly aren't in your nature.
Cope, you can RP as much as you want but your not Walker just because the devs are a bunch of pretentious retards doesn’t mean you have to be
It must be hard coming to the realization that you've lost the argument.
These threads used to have a lot more vigor from the defending side, but as the arguments have been exhausted we're left with the simple truth that the game is in fact addressing the player and is in fact a shit game.
You still trying this shtick is like watching a post-wall woman clinging to the old days.
Quite sad, but also funny.
Do you enjoy doing this does it make you feel intelligent does it bring you joy to these thread and write pretentious nonsense that only serves to stroke your own ego. Also I’m not that anon
This is just a thread
You're still a good person
Right?
Yeah I am, I mean I’ve never actually killed
You could walk away from this thread at any moment.
>I could but I don’t want to
Welcome to Ganker gentlemen
The same people that say "lol you are upset because you are a self inserter" onionfaced over a tweet like this. Don't take people that project self insertion seriously. In fact the people that would typically say war is bad wants to escalate this one.
have a nice day retarded vatnik. Self-insert as Putin asshole.
> escalate this one
True. Idk why Putin's still sending all those convicts and teenagers to die
The first thing you see in the game is a red STOP sign, in English, in Dubai.
The game is about you.
It is a message to Walker, not the player. The player is just a passenger, a reader.
Playing the game is just like turning the pages of a book.
>WAR BAD!
Wow just wow really just the peak of storytelling
given the cultural landscape of America back then including gaming, yes it was refreshing to see. The war machine was constantly jacked off in movies, video games and television.
You would think modern games would do a better job at justifying the amount of murder protagonists do but if anything we've only gone backwards now that every MC has got to be some relatable humanist father figure instead of a space marine
>shame on the player for doing this
>but us the devs? completely blameless
Haha oops!
If you have to railroad the narrative and take agency from the player your message isn't all that compelling to begin with. You're simply forcing a scenario that serves your personal perspective.
Unfortunate consequence of writers huffing their own shit within an echo chamber.
and would do it again, it had fun levels
no idea what this is but the US army&navy used white phosphorus against civilians en masse
what they'd do is drop high explosive clusters meant to expose flammable building material and kill firefighters followed by incendiary clusters and they devised the most effective ratio and ordnance by building "typical german/japanese" villages and then testing the results to achieve maximum destruction
the ww2 USA didn't really fuck around
Yes
>YOU DID THIS!
No, it was done by US military which is pretty realistic.
They're actually freaking out for some reason, which is not really realistic.
And I'll do it again.
>okay whatever
>shoots more baddies
not a problem
NOT
MY
PROBLEM
>I WAS JUST DOING WHAT THE GAME TOLD ME TO DO!
Hmm, almost like, I dunno, following orders or something?
>Muh Nazi allusions!
You are only proving how bad the writing is anon.
>Nazi allusions
Genuine schizo right here
This bro's mindbroken lmao. No one's trying to destroy le huwite race here, chill out lik guy
cool, maybe one day I'll reach Hillary Clinton or Jeffery Epstein tier of murdering children
still wish I knew how to harvest the adrenochrome though
And I'll do it again
Self-inserters are mentally ill.
>Dubai
Anyone in that city needs to burn
maybe not the slaves
didn't play it
didn't do it
Haha oops!
OP is a gay that posted this shit a few days ago and got BTFO, and is now trying again. Go.to.reddit. if you want to post pretentious bull shit
well shit, i was aiming for israel
this game was bland as shit with the worst cover shooter gunplay imaginable, with a basic bitch hollywood plot. I find it fucking baffling that people find it in any way special or memorable unless you played literally nothing but cod and gears of war when it came out.
It boils down to shitty forced guilt tripping but I like how the image keeps showing up in random places just to fuck with you like it's seared into Walker's brain.
>Fictional characters have lives too!
whoa, that's like, super deep and meaningful man...
Walker's or Player's?
And I'd fucking do it again with a flamethrower
> H-how could devs made me do THIS and then blame me for it?!!?!? Im being framed!!!1 im le good person!!!
ITT: seething self-inserting trannies
I really don't get the seething behind this game. The story exists to tell a message whether you like it or not. Not every protagonist needs to be a perfect angel who is a complete humanitarian and always makes the right decision. This story requires a protagonist who doesn't. Don't like it, play something else.
I really do think it's thin-skinned self-inserting americans who seethe at this game since they're so used to being portrayed as the ebin hero and getting their dick sucked by everyone and everything.
They always cry like little babies when things don't got their way.
I especially hate people who self-insert and have the audacity to bitch about media that has protagonists that don't align with their personalities. Like no shit, they wouldn't do or think the same things you would, not everything centers around you.
and it was FUN
>Walt Williams, the game's lead writer, personally believes that the helicopter crash during the sandstorm actually killed Walker and that the rest of the game is his Purgatory.
B-BUT THE GAME IS ABOUT ME, NOT WALKER!
Idiots, Walker doesn't represent (You), he represents the stereotypical modern military FPS protagonist. Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc. all condition you to see the enemy NPCs as the "bad guys" without any critical thinking, you just end countless lives because you were told to but in this game the enemy NPCs are civilians and other Americans. You don't self-insert as Walker, you insert him into other videogames.
Spec Ops: The Line is a pretty based critique of the FPS genre in the same way that Cabin in the Woods is a pretty based critique of the horror genre.
>WAHHH WHY ISN'T THE PROTAGONIST LITERALLY ME? WHY ISN'T THE PROTAGONIST MY PERFECT SELF INSERT PERSONA?
cry about it more bitch
The definitive proof that you gays were filtered by Heart of Darkness
UH WHAT IF...WAR IS... LE BAD
Tell me how war is good? I can understand war as a necessary means to an end but war as an end to itself is just retarded. Why dehumanize, kill and destroy?
Power projection
Hypothetically why do you need to project power?
>Answer: If you really get down to it, it just comes down to exhibiting the worst aspects of humanity like fear and greed. Therefore it is inherently bad.
Expanding power and influence simply as that
War is just part'a who we are. Why fight it? Anyway, none of this will matter in three hours. Demand for PMC's is about to skyrocket. Like the good ol' days after 9/11!
Using war to stimulate the economy is still a means to an end. I meant why is war itself good?
War breeds nessecity which then preeds increased productivity. Wasr economy and all that shit.
Walker acknowledges and blames the player for making him do such actions.
I didn't even get to that point because I uninstalled the game after like half an hour because it's a subpar cover shooter that's just not fun to play.
If you don't want war, don't invade another country retarded subhuman, the west is Ukraine's ally. Fuck off to your third world shithole.
good
>buy game
>be told the only winning move is not to play
>money stolen
got the be by far the most retarded thing a developer thought of in fucking decades
I did, and I'd do it again.
Anyone who sits around while a battle is happening, thinking they are safe, are retarded and deserve to die.
>YOU DID THIS!
Yes and I would do it all again
Oh no. I am now sad. Sad I am now. I did this, and this is bad, and because this is bad (people dieded) then I am now sad. I shouldn't have done this, I wouldn't be sad if I didn't do this.
How such sad can one man bring upon himself?
How such sad can people dieding make you?
I am now very sad. Much questions I have in brain, and all those questions make me sadder. It shouldn't have happened. Sad!
>YOU DID THIS!
Yes you, the player, did this
>inb4 "muh self insert"
THE GAME LITERALLY CALLS OUT THE PLAYER
It isn't real in Walker's case either, he is literally off his rocker and imagining things.
>It isn't real in Walker's case either
because it's directed at the player