You’ve won. It’s over. You stopped the invasion and closed the portal. But it’s come at a price. Argent, VEGA, this entire operation. You see, I’ve watched you work, come to understand your motivation. You think the only way is to kill them all, leave nothing behind. And you may be right. But we can’t just shut it all down. Without Argent energy it WILL be worse. I don’t expect you to agree. But with this, we can continue our work. I am not the villain in this story. I do what I do because there is no choice. Our time is up. I can’t kill you, but I won’t have you standing in our way. Until we see each other again.
This was utmost kino and I’m tired of B pretending otherwise
Maybe you could just A pretending instead?
He was such an amazing character, and it hurt to see how much he was shat on in Eternal. Nothing but an exposition dump and meme machine.
>LMAOOOO YOU CAN'T SHOOT A PORTAL INTO THE SURFACE OF MARS!!!11! OMFG
Bro, that's not the worst part. Don't play the DLC if you like Hayden
I found a collection of cutscenes from the DLC on YouTube, and I don't even know what was going on with Hayden. I remember some demon-looking thing that had his voice, and I think he dies after trying to betray/trick Doomguy? All I know is that the big bad being Dark Doomguy was fucking stupid, but I expected everything to be fucking stupid after playing the base game. Such needlessly convoluted and poor-quality lore. Everything about Doom 2016 was better. Eternal squandered it all.
Turns out Hayden and VEGA were actually alien gods from another dimension all along. He was just pretending to be human.
>I remember some demon-looking thing that had his voice, and I think he dies after trying to betray/trick Doomguy?
If you haven't figured that out from the base game alone, Samuel is actually Samael, the Maykr that originally betrayed Khan and infused Doomguy with her blood back when Doomguy was serving with the Sentinels, which is why he is so damn powerful in the first place.
Turns out he was always loyal to the Father, the God who supposedly make everyone (including Maykr's), and his ultimate goal is to bring Father back (he is in a sort of stasis in a battle with guy who lead the armies of hell, who also ended up in similar stasis). This is crual for Sam because he is getting closer to Maykr's equivalent of death by old age, and only Father can prolong his existence.
Turns out, Doomguy has absolutely zero interest in reviving the Father, instead he want's to actually revive the leader of Hell, just to kill him properly. Sam obviously tries to prevent that, becoming Doomguy's enemy and the final boss of the first DLC. He isn't a demon, just a dying Maykr like Khan was.
That is more or less the gist of the story behind Sam.
VEGA himself is basically the disembodied intellect of the Father, BTW.
What a load of pretentious garbage.
I would not call it pretentious, but sure as hell is shit.
And that is INCREDIBLY edited down version of the story. Trust me, I've omitted a lot of shit that actually makes it several leagues worse.
The story of Eternal is dumb (and Sam is obviously 100% retconned, to a point where Sam in Eternal/The Old Gods is actually the exact OPPOSITE of who he was in 2016), but The Old God's a masterpiece of absolutely shit writing and lore. It's kinda amazing how they managed to do basically everything wrong.
I would not mind it so much if the gameplay of Old God's wasn't shit too. Eternal could get away with shit story on the gameplay alone, but unfortunately, by the half-point of The Old Gods, the gameplay starts to fall apart too.
The second expansion is both the story and the gameplay at it's absolute fucking worse.
It absolutely is pretentious garbage. Doom 2016 was meta, and really fucking pushed the limits of what could be done with "marine who disobeyed his CO and was mad at demons for killing his rabbit", but this is just plain shit. No redeeming qualities.
>It absolutely is pretentious garbage.
You literally don't know what that word means.
"attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed"
I did a quick search for you anon since apparently you are too retarded to use google.
Now I'm curious, what did you think it meant?
>"attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed"
And none of that is happening in Eternal. It's just cheap space fantasy, you absolute mongoloid.
>NTA Doom Eternal had twice the characters
Yeah, but 1/3rd of the writting, voiceacting or animation budget. Turns out, hiring a few young geeks to write a shitton of garbage lore isn't expensive, because letters are cheap.
You know what was good space fantasy? A one-man army killing demons with a shotgun even though he was just a regular guy.
Not this garbage you're defending.
>Not this garbage you're defending.
I'm not defending anything, you pathetic insecure pile of shit.
I'm simply proving that you are an idiot and using words you don't understand.
absolute retard. learn what words mean.
god that's just beyond stupid
it honestly feels like Eternal is the "manly game" equivalent of hipster huffing their own farts
it doesn't know when to stop
Samuel being a scientist who turned himself into a tall and strong as fuck robot was metal enough already for Doom
>VEGA himself is basically the disembodied intellect of the Father, BTW.
why did they turn a cool AI bro into literal GOD?
>why did they turn a cool AI bro into literal GOD?
I suppose it was a desperate need to keep upping the stakes.
Also, I don't know what happened with the writer of Doom 2016, but I'm pretty sure he did not have much of a say in Eternal, he was replaced by a group of far less competent people. It is very obvious keeping the standards of writing was NOT a priority.
Hell, even the voiceacting and animation work got drastically worse.
Oh and by the way, it turns out that VEGA isn't actually the real God, even though Sam believed he is. Again - it all somehow gets even dumber than this shit.
Im so glad doom guy breaks the computer mid exposition
Eternity has the better gameplay but man i really wish they went their first plan of making Hayden the secondary antagonist in Eternal due to hell's corruption.
Doom 2016 was a better game in every single regard when compared to Eternal.
consolefag
Wrong, beat both on PC.
I doubt it.
>we'll never get a proper sequel to Doom 2016
The fuck you're talking about? Why, because of the story? Fuck right off.
>Gameplay (Less bing bing wahoo and more shooting demons in the face with actually worthwhile and fun secrets)
>Style (Gritty and reminiscent of older dooms instead of cartoony bullshit that claims that original dooms were wacky cartoony bullshit visually)
>Storytelling (Minimal bullshit and straight to the point instead of "We will gloat about how we make doom closer to classics all the time, by the way we spent so much time making this story we love it" with a ton of cutscenes and exposition wanking)
>Fewer, more memorable characters (2016 Sam alone mogs the fuck out of Eternals entire cast)
I also find it funny that 2016's story is way more enjoyable while it was hastily written at the end of development, while eternals' bullshit was considered one of its key points, judging by the interviews leading up to it.
>I also find it funny that 2016's story is way more enjoyable while it was hastily written at the end of development, while eternals' bullshit was considered one of its key points,
It's literally the exact opposite.
nagger the devs admitted themselves it was made with a few months until the deadline.
Now compare it to how many times the leading fucker whose name eludes me talks about "Muh cosmology, muh lore, muh epic story" in the interviews predating eternal. They spend so much time wanking how its trying to be 90s doom while forgetting the biggest quote about original dooms development and its story.
>nagger the devs admitted themselves it was made with a few months until the deadline.
Source?
Because I know for sure you are absolutely, 100% full of shit, in fact literally getting it in reverse. Because you are a completely retarded child that does not understand even most BASIC concepts of storytelling and what it involves.
The fact that you are making shit up further proves what an insecure child you really are.
>in fact literally getting it in reverse
Source? NTA Doom Eternal had twice the characters
correct, eternal is shit
Argent Energy is literally souls right? Doesn't that sorta mean that the Doomguy being Christian would take that is quite possibly the biggest affront humanly possible?
>Didn't follow up with a prequel dlc for the sequel with Hayden after the 2016 release
It was over before it even began
>israelites take over the franchise
>doom guy's israeli now
>evil God and Jesus expies
>story makes no sense at all
>goyslop continuations are churned out to appeal to MUH LORE youtube homosexuals
nuDoom was a mistake
Doom is one of my favorite Xbox properties
*appears on a spaceship fortress for no reason*
nothing personal sa(muel) hyde(n)
>mexican macaco hugo had to turn doom into capeshit instead of keeping the doom'16 theme
>first game ends with a cool cliffhanger
>Eternal just starts with you on a space station, months or years later. How? Never even mentioned.
>Hayden already got taken out
Eternal sucked.
Wrong eternal was based. The only thing bad about eternal was the confusing story. But honestly I just treated it like a weirder Serious Sam and it worked out perfectly for me.
All the codex lore was completely cringe and the "Le doomguy is a GOD" pandering practically made my face turn inside out.
All they needed to do was keep the OG "Doomguy is mad at demons for killing his pet bunny sandy" lore but instead they did this fucking tropey totally serious Valhalla bullshit that eventually turned into Avengers Assemble!!! DLC. It fucking sucked and epic Marvel movie shit has unironically completely fucked modern narratives.
Case in point. This shit hurts to read.
doom 2016 had a much better presentation with the story, it was less in your face for the people who didn't give a shit while also having plenty of cool details for those who cared while still being relatively grounded, I get they wanted to make eternal over the top but their is a limit to how far you should go before it just beocmes to stupid
this and the overall presentation of the game being an epic wicked skill shooter made me drop Eternal a couple hours in. It has none of the charm of 2016.
he was so cool in 2016
Fuck vega. Stealing his head and using it for your devices in your quake tier flying castle space ship was kino.
Why did they sideline him as a character so much in Eternal?
I mean, not even a proper bossfight? Seriously?? Also was it just me or did his voice not basednd as deep and gravely in eternal? Did the VA die or something?
>2016 successfully makes the whole game a meta joke
>Eternal completely forgets the joke and takes itself seriously
Why did they do this
it always happens with these sort of games
2016 to Eternal is basically like speedrunning the last 20 years of Warhammer 40k
>people caring about doom's story
Why?
Because it's shoved in your face during a playthough and is totally unavoidable? Retard??
Because Eternal itself cares and wants you to care for some fucking reason, even though the entire joke of 2016 was that Doomguy didn't give a shit.
it was a bit of a double joke, and a well executed one
one one hand doomguy doesn't give a crap because theres DEMONS out there, and you gotta fucking kill all the demons as your first and only priority
and on the other hand, it's channeling the player who's bought Doom for exactly 1 reason: to fucking kill demons
which like you said, is the exact opposite of Eternal
it's like caring about birdshit on my windshield
I'd prefer not to think about birdshit at all, but it's right there, in clear view, on my god damn car
and unlike with birdshit, I can't take hose to Eternal's story
because as others have already pointed out you are a brain damaged retard
I hate that we went from kino in 2016 to Marvel movie in eternal with third person cutscenes ruining my immersion and "Uh ACTUALLY YOU ARE A GOD!" Bullshit.
Eternal's gameplay and production value with 2016's writing is the perfect shooter.
Also better onboarding so half of the people that play the game don't get filtered by the gameplay would be nice
So what happened that we went from this to Reddit and Morty slop in Nu-Doom Sòyternal?
nuDoom is the ultimate gyro aim test if you're looking to learn it.
It's just the HL1 ending
>Ending is underwhelming because it throws an entire game's worth of not giving a fuck and throwing the game's narrative in the main character's face out the window at the last second
>eternal's final ending does the exact same ending and has doomguy locked in a coffin forever
Covid must have royally fucked over id because so much of their decisionmaking became baffling
>let's make the DLC way harder and lean into everything that makes the game fun and intense
>oh fuck no make it easier but without removing the shit that casuals were complaining about so it doesn't matter
>let's kill off samuel and the 'main villain' in an extremely short timespan (main villain is a lame doomguy clone with a deep demon voice)