Zelda totk lore Posted on May 21, 2023 by Anonymous How did zelda change the past? This doesnt add up with botws story
I have skipped every skippable thing i can. I know I need to do 4 temples and I don't care to understand why.
There is actually a 5th temple, that rewards you with a literal mecha you can outfit with weapons.
Also vanilla ryujinx has fixed amd gloom glitch. Get in lads.
how do I make cheats work on ryujinx 1.0?
please tell me as much without spoilers as you can - can I get the mecha first or do I have to do main 5 temples? I want to use mecha as much as I can before finishing the game.
You have to finish the first 4, I don't think it is possible to skip straight there, but I may be wrong, never tried.
I did it by chance after only one temple myself, and I doubt even that was strictly necessary.
I stand corrected. I guess if you know where it is, and have the means to get up there with some roblox shit, there is no reason you couldn't get it early.
In theory you should just be able to fly into the storm cloud in the south and start the quest for it early.
A hoverbike should be enough to make it up there.
10 hearts is the only hard requirement
Its easy. First, get 10 hearts and get the Yiga clan helmet that makes you immune to lightning. Fly up into the storm with a balloon or something.
Getting to the shrine is tricky. Watch a youtube video. You have to ascend from below after riding a railcar for a bit. Enjoy your mech.
Theoretically you can get it before doing any of the Temples, the only requirement is having 10 hearts
You also need a way to get onto the Thundercloud Island but any decent flying machine and enough Zonai charges should be sufficient
It's definitely intentional because you get a different cutscene later on if you've already completed this part of the game once you have all the Sages
t. did the Construct Factory as my third temple on accident
The area to do the fifth temple is very difficult to navigate without doing the previous 4 but you can do it independently. To start the quest for the mech, go to Dragon head island in the faron sky
I stumbled onto it before I started the game
Too bad the mech sucks and hits like a wet noodle
why are zoomies so repulsed by the concept of reading?
The skippable shit is the garbage voice acted cut scenes
Also I'm 32. Go suck a dog.
settings -> voice language -> japanese
that's even worse
go suck a dawg off. rip pastor Miller's marriage
late 20s boomer here, the flavour text in BotW/TotK is soulless dogshit - I've seen better localisations in old fan-translated JRPGs
>I've over 18!!!!
sure you are, kiddos, suuurreee you are
I read books written by actual authors, not retarded videogame stories written by failures that have zero redemption
>I read books written by actual authors
Name 20 (twenty)
Gotta least try to be interesting or i will skip it and Totk story is terrible and doesnt even try to make sense.
Because they'd rather put a 5+ hour video essays explaining everything to them in the background while they have Netflix on the other monitor and are watching TikTok on their phone
I play video games for the gameplay. Cuckllennials pushing plot as the main piece in video games is how we ended up with shit like Bioshock Infinite, TLoU2 and a bunch of quirky indie games about mental health.
Zoomie here. Can confirm I can read and enjoy it. Get fucked
ToTK's story blows. I don't give a shit about it. I'll read every single line of dialogue spoken by my beautiful Gerudo goddesses though.
NTA, but the plot in this game deserves to be skipped it's beyond retarded. I wish I had skipped all of it and just headcanon'd some bullshit for everything, it would've been better.
I like the idea of Zelda doing time shenanigans and sacrificing her humanity to restore and empower the Master Sword. Divorced from everything else that's rock solid and retrieving the sword from Dragon Zelda is a good moment. It's just all the details of the past and the timespan of it all is messy. You could probably fix a lot of it by just omitting the detail that the Zonai founded Hyrule (they just married into the royal family at some point in the past, whatever) and then just shrugging the rest off with Temple of Time fuckery. They were already doing time travel bullshit, so they might as well have leaned into it.
>The Upheaval exploded the Temple of Time and caused a bunch of Zonai sky shit to phase in from the past (which is also why it was missing before)
They lack an internal monolgue, you can't read if you can't actually speak inside your own mind.
Based, fuck stories in games. Wish we could go back to the days where it was just save our princess, don't ask why just fucking do it.
You can technically skip straight to the final boss gauntlet the moment you leave the tutorial island and get the paraglider.
Holy fucking retard. I'm surprised you don't forget to breathe.
And where the fuck did the titans vanish to
Zelda stores them in her colossal dumper.
It's highly probable that they were broken down for parts after the bullshit in BoTW.
you know how lots of sheikah shit just vanishes right in front of your eyes in breath of the wild
She is the sage of time, so I guess parts of BOTW story got erased... Calamity still happened, Link and Zelda stopped it, but for all we know Link might've not even slept 100 years in the shrine of resurrection.
None of this shit is explained at all as far as I know.
We can only assume all the ancient shit disappeared and replaced with zonaite shit because of Zelda's time fuckery.
Nah, ancient shit was all destroyed by the upheaval. If you trace the locations of BotW shiekah shrines, you'll find that in TotK there is hole to the depths now, a cave, or a sky island that fell on it (and destroyed it on molecular level I guess, I don't know why there isn't any ruins of the shrines at least)
All the dead guardians littering hyrule field and fort hateno are gone without a trace. Guardians in general are gone, ancient weapons also completely missing. There has got to be more to it than that.
Yeah, I hate that too. They could've let some ancient weapons at least, as a reference. TotK has armor from previous titles, but can't have weapons from BotW?
I would guess sheikah could've purposely destroyed all guardians, since they have habit of coming back to life even when it seems like they are dead.
>Guardians in general are gone
There's still a few guardian corpses left.
They have been disassembled and used as construction material for the skyview towers, notice how there are guardian arms that equip link with the mapping device in the towers.
Oh shit, this bro solved it.
Based observer and fact sharer.
Play the game. Read the dialog.
There's a dead guardian on Hateno Lab, still.
>botw shrines dissapear
>p-play the game and r-read the dialog
>sheikah shrines and divine beasts exist to prepare the hero for calamity ganon
>he beats him
>they go back to wherever they came from
>divine beasts are also gone, less certain why, but the game outright states that they were around when link fought the calamity and that he rescued them with the nu-Champions, meaning they were necessarily NOT retconned out of existence
Go where? The towers and the Guardian Storage Chambers didn't just vanish into the aether the last time Calamity Gannon was killed. They were just buried underground until the Sheikah and the royal family dug them up again. So they still exist. So where did they go?
Same place they came from? We see every tower and a lot of shrines rise from underground as if moved by a mechanism. They could go the same way they came.
someone said in the JP version it's said that they all disappeared into blue light after ganon was killed, and this was left out of the english translation for some reason
>literally one NPCs dialog added probably at the very end of development to throw a bone to lorefags
>no explanation to where they are now at all
>he says "the hero awoke!" having the hero right there, yet doesn't acknowledge link at all
>a single guardian at the top of the hateno lab, probably left off by accident
I'm sorry, but BOTW never happened. All the damage caused to Hyrule was made by the upheaval and ruined were left by destruction caused in "time immemorial". It's amazing to me how much Nintendo hates sequels, basically the same thing happened with Super Mario Galaxy 2
>he says "the hero awoke!" having the hero right there, yet doesn't acknowledge link at all
That's not that weird for this game, admittedly. People only know OF Link as "that swordsman that's with the Princess", but they don't really know who he is or what he looks like. Even being told his name is Link a lot of them just go "Oh same name as the hero guy huh?"
Basically they Tony Hawk him.
>Who's Hylian shield is this?
>Are you Link?
BotW happened. Nintendo just removed all the shit from BotW to make room for the new stuff, there's no changing the past
she erased durians from existance while she was at it too.
The past never changed. It's a stable time loop
The old calamity of 10,000 years ago happened but the one in botw backstory of 100 years ago didnt
Why do you keep saying this? Seriously, it's very obvious the events of BotW still occur. What specifically gives people the idea that they didn't?
Zelda is in the past with goatfuckers, goat imprisons ganondorf, a long time later his evil spirit breaks out as calmity ganon, he is defeated, over 10,000 years later he appears again and Zelda stops him, 100 years later link defeats him, 2 years later ganondorf is fully revived as the magic dies
there's a bigger timeskip than that, unless Attison is somehow like 1 and a half years old
Then like, I don't know, 6 years
>2 years later
it has to be at least 5 based on the kid bolson and gerudo woman have
just statted whos the dude that just fucking destroys the master sword?
Is he demise or the god limk fought at the end of skyward sword?
Is he ganon?
How did they do that when they just woke up from sleep?
>hey I just started this story, how does it end?
She didn't change a shit because this is a stable time loop: ToTK Zelda find mummy dorf and is sent to the past, helps to seal dorf, from the malice generated by mummy dorf calamity ganon is born, BoTW happens, then ToTK Zelda finds mummy dorf and is sent to the past....the loop is closed.
Nope, because it goes like this:
1. BotW happens.
2. Zelda finds dehydrated bowser under the castle, and teleports back in time somehow (still unexplained at all).
3. While in the past, she turns herself into an immortal dragon.
4. While in dragon form, she kinda teleports forward through time (figuratively), until Link finds her and reverses her back to human form.
So she kinda jumps back in time, then again forward, back to her original time.
What? How that disproves my point? And dragon zelda didn't jump back to the present, she just fly for literally thousands of years until her present catched up with her.
There is no loop, she is not experiencing anything twice.
Technically she experienced everything ONCED, while BoTW Zelda was trapped in Calamity ganon, Mindless dragon zelda was already flying in the sky.
That's why I said that she figuratively went forward through time by being a dragon. Since dragon-zelda is not really Zelda, so when she is reversed to being a hylian, that's when Zelda exists again, so she in a way teleported through time again.
>teleports back in time somehow (still unexplained at all)
She got a secret stone and it amplified her powers which apparently are time powers now and she somehow in a moment of pure desperation sent herself back, I guess. Why she can't send herself back to the present is never explained.
>Why she can't send herself back to the present is never explained.
she was sent back to restore the master sword, it would be pointless to go back to the present
dragon zelda was not in botw
she is a dragon since the ancient hyrule
also how is she not a dragon in the time of botw
things doesnt add up
She was just very high in the sky the whole time
Because Zelda in BotW is 'before' Zelda became a dragon. Her linear timeline is
>Born 100-odd years before the main part of BotW
>Calamity happens, seals herself with Calamity Ganon
>Link defeats Calamity Ganon and rescues her
>Timeskip to TotK, five-ish years
>They accidentally unleash Ganondorf and Zelda is sent back to the past
>Zelda in the past turns herself into a dragon
>Lives as a dragon up to the present day
Dragon Zelda is flying around up with the Zonai Sky Islands while BOTW Zelda is holding back Calamity Ganon in Hyrule Castle.
C'mon lads, it's a children's story for babies, it's not hard to understand.
somebody on Ganker has a colossal case of the ass against time travel stories, FF14 threads get hordes of repetitive and persistent brainlets that also can't understand time loops and think every story with it behaves like back to the future
They should watch Termminator.
It's weird because Terminator (at least the first one) was written specifically to avoid paradoxes or confusion. Back to the Future doesn't make sense if you think about it too hard. Marty almost erases himself from existence by fucking up his parents' meeting, but how could he fuck up his parents' meeting if he never existed to go back in time in the first place? It's a basic grandfather paradox. But it's a comedy so you don't think about that while you're watching it. Obviously any type of time travel is a fictional conceit but causality loops are the easiest to understand. I don't know why so many people are adamantly arguing that TOTK isn't a causality loop; they're arguing for an even more confusing version of the story.
>Terminator (at least the first one) was written specifically to avoid paradoxes or confusion
But John isn't born unless he sends Kyle back in time
Yes, that's a causality loop. No one change the future by going to the past, they can only do things that guarantee the future they came from. The Terminator can't actually kill Sarah, if he did he would remove the reason he went back in the first place. Kyle can't not fuck Sarah, if he didn't John wouldn't exist to send him back.
The first two Terminators work perfectly fine on a closed loop. Skynet and John both think they CAN change the past, but they can't, their actions in the past already happened.
Later Terminators break these rules entirely because... Sequels.
Yeah I didn't bring up the sequels because they were so bad I don't remember them. I didn't even see the most recent one but my friend told me that John dies as a kid and Skynet doesn't exist but some other functionally identical evil AI with a different name does and is trying to kill a Hispanic girl that will grow up to be a rebel leader in the future. So they went to the trouble of deleting the old characters and ideas but just replaced them with the same things anyway, I don't know what they were thinking
who thought it was a good idea to tell the story in flashbacks, AGAIN?
Something something "open world means we can't have a well-told story".
Its not a stable time loop. The whole Master Sword plotline is contingent on Zelda allowing it to absorb her sacred light for 10,000 years. She can't do this and also be around for BotW.
It is a stable time loop and is presented as such. There were two Zeldas in the world for a bit until Zelda got transported to the past
That doesn't make sense.
bruh don't you know how a stable time loop works? are you this fucking stupid?
Are you stupid enough to make the excuse of 2 Zelda's/Master Sword's despite everything the game tells you, everything BotW tells you, and the very nature of the story itself? Are you genuinely retarded?
are you seriously having trouble following a stable time loop?
>Has played BotW
>Still thinks his fan theory is plausible
You dumb, fella
The fan theory is thinking the timeline was changed tbh
Do you not understand what a Causal Loop is? Present day Zelda is a woman out of Time. She disappeared from the current day to the past. In the past she became a dragon. That dragon has been flying around since... who the fuck knows how long. At some point a second Zelda will be naturally born within the royal family as the origin point of dragon Zelda who is predestined to defeat the Calamity, find Ganon's corpse, and once again fall back in time to fulfill the events of the past.
A few things.
1. There's no Light Dragon in BotW, showing it's clearly a different timeline
2. The Master Sword is a single object, and it's use in TotK depends on the Sacred Light shenanigans.
Natural conclusion is that it's an OoT situation with a changed timeline, only we get to see the changes from the timeline in the same world.
>1. There's no Light Dragon in BotW, showing it's clearly a different timeline
Because ToTK wasn't written yet in real life, devs can't see the future for real.
>1. There's no Light Dragon in BotW, showing it's clearly a different timeline
You do understand that TotK is a sequel to BotW and ideas created for it won't just magically appear in a six year old game, right?
>2. The Master Sword is a single object, and it's use in TotK depends on the Sacred Light shenanigans.
And there were two master swords at some point but one of them had to be sent back to the past to complete the loop
>Dude just turn your brain off lmao
turning your brain off makes you unable to comprehend a simple time loop
Turn your brain on and you'll notice your theory doesn't make any sense.
We don't sign our posts here
>>1. There's no Light Dragon in BotW, showing it's clearly a different timeline
>You do understand that TotK is a sequel to BotW and ideas created for it won't just magically appear in a six year old game, right?
It's a direct sequel, it should be consistent with the first game. The only way for it to be consistent is to consider it an alternate timeline.
>>2. The Master Sword is a single object, and it's use in TotK depends on the Sacred Light shenanigans.
>And there were two master swords at some point but one of them had to be sent back to the past to complete the loop
It's an alternative timeline.
Not that anon but this twist could have easily been done by retconning Zelda as one of the other 3 dragons present in BotW. They didn't do this though which makes me thing it was intentional
what actually happened is they remembered they made those dragons and realized they could make a new one with a plot twist
Another more Zelda esque solution would have been Zelda splitting her soul in to 3 and each dragon carried part of it or some shit. Adding a whole new dragon was pants on head retarded
>1. There's no Light Dragon in BotW, showing it's clearly a different timeline
this one can be explained by it flying way above the cloud barrier, because you see the dragons disappearing beyond it in portals in botw
>1. There's no Light Dragon in BotW, showing it's clearly a different timeline
I mean light dragon doesn't appear anywhere below I think 1600ish meters at its very minimum, and that is just because it has to fly below the sky ships in the rito area, everywhere else it is around 1800-2300 meters
The highest you can realistically go in botw without glitches or balloon spam is like 800m, where it probably won't even be visible
>story so bad it erases your own sequel
TOTK is so bad that you can actually softlock yourself in the tutorial zone.
What the fuck? Why the fuck are modern AAA games not hiring any QA to do their fucking job?
This is the area I'm stuck in.
See the platform on the top left? I can't grab it.
There's no way for me to leave this area now.
This is the lowest area, so there's no place to jump down to either.
And it's impossible to climb up to another area from here.
Ultrahand the bottom platform and attach it to the next one
>Just use ultrahand
You can't teleport until you get to temple of time.
Will try climbing the tree roots now.
Get higher up then, climb that tree and ultrahand from there. Or cut down some trees and build a construction that puts you in a higher position for ultrahanding the platform. It's not a hard game but you won't get far unless you learn to think a tiny bit outside of the boxes the game puts you in.
Enough of your brainlet shitty "solution".
Climbing the root is the right way to get out.
You didn't even play the game, why bother replying?
Why didn't you try ultra handing the one you were standing on to move it closer to the other one.
As people have been saying, cut trees if you can. You can use those to get more reach on ultra hand and attach the log to the platform to then grab it.
This webm is funny because it shows how retards can't think beyond (waymark tell me go here), because this player is literally standing on a floating platform he can move close to be in range.
You can't move the platform if you're standing on it.
You can't climb the platform if you moved it higher.
You fuckers are the worst in this thread because you didn't even play the game.
You could have moved the platform within reach near a tree so you could climb on the tree and then climb on the platform. There is no right solution for getting around in this game, if you figure something out and it works that’s good enough.
You guys are retarded, I'm done with you.
It's a genuine copy, you blind fuck
pirate fag fuck off
You'll never get to the final boss, so here you go.
>pop the cysts, while dragon does 0
Garbage final to a garbage game
This would be too much for the retard-kun here
>You need to have high iq and be creative to understand totk
That is both me and i'm just riling you retarded toddlers up.
>to become a dragon is to lose one's self
They probably could have left him as a dragon. He would never reincarnate, just float around in the sky like a retard and never harm anyone again.
Move the platform your on
>But...but I'm standing on it, how could I move it. These retards haven't played the game
Yea, we uh meant get off then move it
>Stupid retards are so stupid. I'm not stupid... despite being stuck in the tutorial of a child's game.
CRINGE, have sex for the love of god
how stupid are you? they're capable of STEPPING OFF the platform and moving it. midwit
I beat the game before the official release date.
You can grab the floating platform, attach it to the other platform, and now you can drag both around.
I bet next you're gonna say "I was only pretending to be retarded."
how do i build high attack weapons? my average attack is 20
Fuse monster parts to things with good traits.
how to let down the hood ?
Hateno village side quest chain
i got through the election
talk to fashion woman
she only says if you have already have an amiibo costume i can resell it to you hehe
as if i need shit i already have
You're a fucking clown.
lol your game is fucked up pirate fag. maybe buy it on the switch next time since you should be grabbing that at that distance. also yes just literally climb the tree roots ffs. this is a prime example of people who shit on this game are too fucking retarded to do anything. what an amazing IQ test of a game
BRO FUCKING CLIMB THE WALLS
imagine actually posting proof of being a literal mouth breathing retard
oh shit I had this happen once. those platforms must have some kind of bug that makes them un-grabbable.
Is this bait? Just cut some fucking trees and stick them to the platforms to the to the one you can't reach
didn't activate a shrine for teleport?
I don't think you can teleport until the 4th shrine, but you can get out of that by using ultrahand on the platforms very easily
He has ultra hand
Therefore has at least one teleport available. So he's not stuck, just stupid, and again he has fucking ultra hand. Use it to move the platforms lol
You can move the platforms with ultrahand and pull them towards you, there are two platforms sou could jump from one to another and keep going higher by moving them incresingly higer. Also while climbing up those roots there are some very specific spots that you can stop at and regain stamina.
climb the tree roots on the left retard
Climb on the roots to the left, use the more horizontal parts to regain stamina. I just tested this myself making sure to never use more than one stamina wheel or any upgrades.
>I'm softlocked in the tutorial because I'm too stupid to notice the 7 ways of getting off this island
jethuth cwith dude, how do you remember to breathe?
>7 ways of getting off this island
ok, name all 7 ways.
Currently, the only way gotten me out is climbing the tree roots.
6 more to go.
You fucking retard. You absolute fucking buffoon. I myself was in that same area and it took me 3 seconds of looking around to get back to where I was.
kek, just ultrahand glue them together into a staircase, consistently removing the bottom one and placing it above. I thought I was stuck in the same spot for like 2mins.
I got stuck there too, I managed to get out by not being clinically fucking retarded holy shit
Filtered by the tutorial of a game for children
Stack trees together. That's what I did. I couldn't grab those floating blocks after I beat up the captain construct for some reason... so I stacked trees lmao
>And it's impossible to climb up to another area from here.
climb up the root dumbass
>LOOK AT THIS DUDE
>There are better places to take a nap than on the ground, you know.
>sora you lazy bum
I love watching anons show how retarded they are by accident. I barely even thought about this part I just climbed back up.
>softlock tutorial zone
No you didn't.
I'd be thrilled to know how you think you softlocked yourself?
There is no way you can softlock yourself, you're probably just retarded. There was a bug that has since been patched.
I walk through the living room.
On the table is Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
I don't want to read it because I am not interested in it.
Oh no, I've revealed myself as stupid!
There is a difference between an inability and a desire, sir.
Why do you have a book sitting out that you arent interested in reading? Why do you even have the book to begin with? Clean up your living room illiterate-kun
Rauru literally says something like "we have Zelda this time"
I laughed at that, because it's very clearly a closed time loop. They "had" zelda each time... was weird hearing a character that is supposedly very wise say something so stupid.
I'm pretty sure Rauru was just trying to be nice.
Nintendo doesn't give a fuck about lore or continuity.
Why did no one realize that there were two master swords around in BotW?
>How did zelda change the past?
She didn't. When she traveled to the past she forked the timeline (again lol)
We don't actually play a sequel to BotW in TotK because the entirety of TotK is already in the timeline that was influenced by Zelda's time travel shenanigans. We just aren't aware of it at the start.
>"story" in a nintendo game.
Dont try to understand something that doesnt exist
surely time just works differently in zelda games. what if things don't go back in time in the traditional sense?
>whatever travels in time (lets call this the manipulator) actually goes to the sacred realm
>the memory of the past travels forwards into the current time within the sacred realm as well (like how the recall ability works)
>the manipulator then lives life in the universes recalled memory
>the past that traveled forward in time still needs to be played out until both periods of time overlap
>if the manipulator dies, they are encapsulated (ala ocarina of time) until they are born when times overlaps
>if they live until the overlap, they are transferred back to their body
>once the overlap happens, things return to their state in time wherever and however they were affected by what they did.
>choosing points in time is basically up to the goddess of hylia based on her omniscience of the greater good
that way multiple things can happen, as they never truly went back in time.
>inb4 this has flaws too
Can someone explain the time travel shit to me im an idiot i think. How the hell does any of BOTW make any sense, if zelda was yeeted back in time and turned into a dragon for 10000 years till link woke her up again. Why would the mastersword be in the grove in BOTW if zelda had to all along?
It's in both places at the same time, the grove and the dragon.
Going back in time creates a second master sword. The first master sword was the one everyone knew about, slept in kokiri forest during the calamity, Link finds in BotW, etc. It gets shattered by Ganondorf and sent back in time, at which point it disappears from existence. Zelda finds it in the past, turns into a dragon and holds onto it throughout the whole history of Hyrule, when Link finds it again in TotK, by which point the first sword is gone and it becomes the only master sword again.
So are we presuming that the timeline is unpolluted up until Zelda meets with Rauru? I asked because the master sword created by Fi must already exist somewhere in the world by the time Zelda shows up with the corroded Master Sword. Meaning for the 10s of thousands of years Zelda was flying around as a dragon, there were two Master Swords. One that was being repaired by Zelda and the other sleeping in the forest
>Meaning for the 10s of thousands of years Zelda was flying around as a dragon, there were two Master Swords. One that was being repaired by Zelda and the other sleeping in the forest
Correct, no one noticed the sword sticking out of the dragon's head.
to be fair it's flying so damn high up that chances are nobody even knew the dragon existed (except the deku tree, who ignored the fact that there were two master swords for thousands of years).
One of the biggest plotholes to me was the spirit templpe "i've been waiting in your purah pad for a long time", that shit was only made like 6 months ago.
That shit traveled back in time with Zelda. It's older than dragon Zelda.
oh right, that would explain it. zelda given it from purah, takes it back in time, gives it back to you 10,000 years later through a construct.
Considering how the deku tree could sense the sword it's absurd no one sensed both in all of history. Only explanation is that the sword wasn't fixed yet until after the original was sent back in time.
it's because nintendo is just making things up as the go along. they couldn't even keep the zonai history/background consistent between the 2 games.
>Going back in time creates a second master sword.
Play the game, the main plot is literally contingent on it being the SAME sword.
I don’t think you understood what I was saying. The master sword disappears from existence when Link sends it back in time, then spends 10k years on Zelda’s head above the clouds, so there are technically two master swords for most of Hyrule’s history, but there’s only one after the intro to TotK.
Why does two Master Swords existing matter if one's been floating above the visible skyline since prehistory?
The whole plot didn't coincide with BotW at all
>No mention of the mural depicting link and zelda reincarnation
>No mention of calamity ganon
>No mention of the divine beasts
>Only a single guardian carcass to remind us they existed at all
>Even school children in Hateno act as if the Calamity was the one from a thousand years ago and not recent event
Game feels like it was written by an entirely different team that was only given the fucking cliffnotes from BotW
Divine Beasts are mentioned in the school quest. A mural depicting them is in Kakariko Village.
I must've missed that one. Still the rest of my points remain
The same school quest also tells you that Link and Zelda defeated the Calamity and "the evil one" a few years ago.
There's also problems with history. The idea that there's been a 10,000-year-old gap between the last time Calamity Ganon arose is already a big fucking pill to swallow. That is so God damn long that nobody should even remember that it existed. No civilization that actually saw Calamity Ganon should still be a thing much less their nuclear robots that still work. But now we learn that Ganon not only has always been in Hyrule Castle's basement, but that the royal family knew he was in the basement and that the only thing keeping him locked up down there was each father telling his son to not go in the basement. For 10,000 years. Princess Zelda was the first one in all of that time to disobey her father and go down into the basement which is how Ganondorf got loose. If Calamity Ganon always pops up in the same spot AKA the site of ganondorf's corpse, why the fuck did they build Hyrule Castle over his grave? Why is Calamity Ganon a thing at all if Rauru's arm keeps his gloom locked up? What's the difference between Gloom and Malice?
Gloom is Sacred Stone Dorfs specific power. Malice is his hatred seeping out through Rauru's seal. Also, it's clear that the seal Rauru placed was weakening and the Dorf would have escaped on his own before long
The very school children you mentioned are involved in a sidequest that disproves half of the points you just made
In the Jap version purah says talks about how all the sheika tech disappeared
ok i never played any zelda game and i watch zelda playthrough streams but what's the relationship with ganon and link? How is he able to be the antagonist of so many stories
Ganondorf is only killed in a few games. In most, he is sealed at the end and returns in a subsequent game. In one instance, he reincarnates. BotW/TotK seem to be their own continuity as Ganondorf doesn't even have a triforce piece in these games (neither does Link).
Yea, the triforce didn't seem to exist in this continuity outside of vague emblems. The new magic macguffin are sacred stones
Well in the original games, he was a reincarnation of Demise.
In BotW/TotK, all the ganon's fought throughout history are just the Dorf's Malice slipping through Rauru's seal
Skyward sword reveals that it's part of some reincarnation curse but in some games it's the same Ganondorf, for example in Ocarina of Time's Adult Link timeline Ganondorf gets sealed in the sacred realm because he can't die, then this same Ganondorf is the one that is in Windwaker. Twilight Princess Ganondorf is a similar deal since he's the OoT Ganondorf from the Ocarina of Time epilogue timeline where Link goes back in time and Ganondorf's plot gets exposed and he gets executed (and then banished to the Twilight realm because they realize he can't die due to being chosen by the triforce of Power).
Don’t listen to any of the other people. Ganondorf and Link are stock characters that are reused in (nearly) every Zelda game, there’s no “continuity” between the games outside of the direct sequels.
Would you say full triforce >>>>>>>> sacred stone >>> triforce fragment?
Full triforce is literal god power. Sacred Stones just awaken whatever power lies dormant within yourself
>Sacred Stones just awaken whatever power lies dormant within yourself
this could actually explain why it makes TotK ganondorf so OP IF we assume Ganondorf is the incarnation of some previous demon king's hatred. However, we can't safely make that assumption because TotK tells us that Sonia and Rauru, not SS Link and Zelda, established Hyrule.
Could be a different Hyrule. Also, the Goddess Hylia still exists. Could be that she vanquished Demise prior to the events of Rauru and Sonia and that just got incorporated into their legend
>it is a different hyrule
>that still has death mountain, lost woods, lake hylia, gerudo desert, etc. but nobody remembers the older original Hyrule
This isn't any easier to believe than that these games happen in a separate continuity.
>Think Tears of the Kingdom was referring to the weird magatama throughout the game originally
>Real tears were actually Dragon Zelda's tears containing the memory of Rauru's kingdom and its fall
I guess she truly was the Tears of thr Kingdom
did i read somewhere ganon helped/saved link one time?
pure fanfiction and hope from some fans.
ganon is like straight up pure evil in this game.
Nope, he's just his usual power hungry self. No real nuance like Windwaker Ganondorf.
WW ganondorf wasn't nuanced. He was still greedy, powerhungry, and obsessed with ruling Hyrule. WW just explains that he was like this because of jealousy.
why are the sky islands in the sky exactly?
in the flashbacks scenes we clearly see that they were on the ground. who lifted them up?
I'm assuming the Sages, since we see them at the end of the final memory. We're probably left instructions on how to conceal the Dorf and the Temple of Time
they specifically tell you that the old kingdom rose into the sky, i think she says to either protect it from ganon or to help link in the future
How many times does Hyrule need to be destroyed and recreated from scratch for this game to somehow fit into established lore?
So Skyward Sword, canonically, is the start of everything. So Hyrule MUST come after Skyloft. Ocarina of Time is the point of the timeline split so that Hyrule has to be the first Hyrule.
Now this is where everything gets confusing because of the fucking timeline split and Nintendo's utter disinterest in giving a definitive history. In one timeline Ganon wins and in response the goddesses flood Hyrule beneath an ocean. So the first Hyrule is gone. A new Link and a new Zelda fuck off somewhere else and at least reach a technological point of creating the steam engine. So that would be the second Hyrule.
HOWEVER Rauru in Tears of the Kingdom claims to be the founder and first King of Hyrule. Which completely fucks up what little continuity we had. So we have 2 options here. Either Rauru founded the Hyrule of Ocarina of Time and everyone just forgot about him until, no I'm not kidding, at least greater than 11,000 years later. And the Hyrule of Breath of the Wild is the same one as Ocarina of Time. Or at some indescribable point in the future, there is a third Hyrule that sprouted up after Spirit Tracks.
One of the writers described as History books often getting small details wrong. The big picture is still the same, but the details that add up to it might have been lost to time.
I'm okay with the idea of History being distorted over vast amounts of time but there are some things that just seem impossible to forget like we remember Princess Ruto by name. The Zora named their Divine Beast after her. But we're not certain that an entire Kingdom was buried under an ocean of water? We know for a fact that the Calamity is named after Ganon. But no one seems to remember where he came from? He's just this thing that bursts from Hyrule Castle randomly unless a fortune teller can call him out early. But simultaneously the Shiekah have surviving instructions on how to use their robot army to gun him down. Maybe I wouldn't be so annoyed at it if the implication is that the events of the prior games are wrong. The people of Skyloft were actually the Zonai this whole time. Skyward Sword is non-canon. And if it isn't then there was an entirely separate race of skypeople that also came down to the surface and established the Kingdom of Hyrule. Independent of that other race of skypeople who also came down to the surface and established the Kingdom of Hyrule.
>The people of Skyloft were actually the Zonai this whole time.
I think that's what the game is Implying yes. And that "Demise" was actually Sacred Stone Ganondorf (Who is also OoT Dorf wrapped into the same package) that was sealed away by Rauru and that all subsequent Ganon's that popped up over time in the games were actually Dorf's Malice slipping through the cracks
I'm just taking ToTK/BOTW as a canon reset at this point.
>Timeline too complicated
>Timeline gone now
>Haha fuck you fans
Literally nobody cares about the “””timeline””” except mega autists
>bruh like 10,000 years later the exact same conflict repeats in a setting that’s basically the same this is so cool
It's fun to think about and discuss
I don’t get why. Nothing changes, the only good Zelda story with a connection to previous games was WW.
>nitendo pander to timelinegays for years
>too incompetent to keep it up, they just decide to reset everything
>w-why do you care about the timeline anyways?
Apologists are worse than timelinefags. You are the worst of the worst
Nintendo has never pandered to timelinefags
I like this idea; SS's events happened exactly as the game showed, did but we as players just viewed through "franchise lenses" or some shit
I think it's more likely that the Zonai-founded Hyrule is just... Another Hyrule, long after Wind Waker or TP or anything. Separate even from the Phantom Hourglass/Spirit Tracks one. Somehow Hyrule crumbled to nothing and a new one was founded by Sonia with the help of Rauru.
With the temple from Skyward Sword on the ground now I got the impression that the "surface" the entire rest of the game takes place on used to be the sky islands in SS, the sky islands in TotK world are even higher than SS's were, and the underground in TotK is the surface from the other games
But I'm not that far in
>So Skyward Sword, canonically, is the start of everything
There was a war and another Link before that
>So Hyrule MUST come after Skyloft.
Why are there ancient ruins all over the ground world of Hyrule in that case?
ToTK is basically retcons: the game. I'm pretty sure it and BOTW are in their own timeline after playing it.
how did we go from a game about a little elven boy leaving his forest village to defeat evil to a game about a human shirtless twink using alien god magic to weld logs and robots together to slurp ganondorf's cum out of his dragon wife's vagina?
Well first we have to explain parallel universes.
TotK is a new timeline established after she went back in time. It's not a closed timeline
>This doesnt add up with botws story
aonuma doesn't care
>give link new hairstyle
>fucking everything, even shitty earrings, revert Links hair back to the BoTW style
This is the laziest shit i've ever seen.
Even wearing the hood pulled down in the hylian armor does it lol
Did she even change the past? The way it reads it's more like "Zelda was always in the past". But it also doesn't quite work that way either. So she both did change the past and was always in the past.
what to do with the star shaped island?
will i ruin the story if i pull the sword out without finding at all tears?
i found some places with red arrows in a circle showing in the middle of the circle but there is nothing?
take a photo of the text.
wait, is that literally it? This is the star island with the mario 64 L is real plate that Link can't read right?
Is this supposed to be Zelda and Rauru or just the first Hylian and Furry to be wed together? Are we being reminded after every shrine we beat that Zelda cucked us for some furry? What the fuck Nintendo
It's Sonia and Rauru you dumbass.
Who? I didn't beat botw I only played for a few hours and got bored. ToTW is fun tho.
Rauru's wife. Zelda's ancestor.
>Zelda goes back to the past
>Rauru and Sonia don’t have any kids
>Sonia and Rauru are Zelda’s “ancestors”
>king and queen raising their own child
I mean, Rhoam raised Zelda in BOTW
Rhoam was a shit father too, should've left it to the nannies
Do they actually have no kids or is it simply never mentioned?
That's Sonia and Rauru
Its funny how so many Zelda games do the the whole "there was ancient race here before" thing. Even OOT did it as stuff like the Forest Dungeon was from a previous race or something.
This is 1 million percent a reboot unconnected to Skyward Sword and Ocarina of Time universe. This is not a timeline thing. Its just a continuity thing. Like how Nolan Batman universe is separate from Michael Keaton Batman universe.
> Black girl + Goat with big ears = Elves
She's like lightly tanned, anon.
is darker cause of the lighting but yeah, that ain't lightly tanned
Fair enough. Still pretty clearly not black. Probably just 'broad indigenous colour', if not just straight-up a deep tan.
so... it's implied they fucked, yeah?
They're literally married, anon.
>I sense you're our descendant
It's outright stars anon
Clearly meant to be Okinawan tribal design. Japan lives depicting tribal people like this
EVERYONE in the past was black. if you didnt notice, all the sages were black. black rito, black zora, etc
>Ancestral Hylians are literal goatfuckers
What the fuck were they thinking?
Exactly one ancestral Hylian is a goatfucker. Mineru and Rauru were the last goats
how do they explain the first hero being an hybrid then?
The first hero is pretty obviously not canon, the Zonai didn't have paw feet or a tail or beady eyes and Zelda on the Calamity Ganon mural isn't a goat either
>The first hero is pretty obviously not canon
Do you think Majora's Mask just laying around and the Fierce Deity set being more than the mask are canon?
Check out how common ancestry works. That one coupling would be linked to practically all living Hylians by the time of ToTK.
That's headcanon, otherwise everyone in the kingdom has latent powers over time and light and not just the Royal Family.
i still cant believe they goated the hylians
why modern hylians dont have animal traits?
>white genes are stronger in the zelda universe
I posted the second one to refute the first one. She's pretty clearly tanned, either way. First one is just lighting that makes her seem darker.
what part of the game is this?
Jesus christ this face. Did they hire early 2000's TF2 parody makers to animate Dorf?
He looks pretty good for a 2000 year old
>For a 2000 year old
Dorf is at most in his 40s at this point
I wish they never brought him back.
The worst part about all the girlboss shit lately is even though I would have loved a game where you play as Zelda years ago, now it just seems forced and political and it makes me hate it.
You just know if a movie gets picked up like the mario movie it's just going to make shit worse.
>Zelda totk lore
What did magda donin botw?
Isn't she the bitch that kicks your ass if you step on the flowers near that one shrine?
I think that's the one who was like "DON'T STEP ON THE FLOWERS" and made it an annoyance to get into a shrine.
I look at it as BotW is simply following an un-altered Timeline, while TotK is after it’s been altered.
Someone in one of the leak thread who beat it early on described it "post-goat fuckers time travelling to insert themselves into history" which I like, especially if the next game is them as the villians
What's going on with the /vg/ thread?
Why is it so bad?
/vg/ is populated by literal trannies
What's the best base weapons to fuse with? Sturdy sticks seem okay but fairly rare.
The weapons in the depths have higher damage but don't seem sturdy.
I used all my weapons killing a lynel now I'm stuck fusing with normal sticks.
Why did you kill the lynel?
I wanted to see if I still could
Grab a hammer from depths enemies and remove rock. Fuse with Lizalfos horn for decent katana. Also, headshot Lynels to knock them down then mount their backs to do special damage. Does not affect weapon durability
I've mentioned this before but the Zonai are a horribly implemented as a new race and bug the shit out of me.
>are gods and are revered by primitive Hyrulians
>are super powered with tear rocks and super technology which they clearly do not share, but hoard for themselves
>if anything the Hyrulians are forced to worship them because of this
>the only Hyrulians that benefit are the ones that kneel to, serve, or literally fuck Rauru
>the evidence of this is that this technology was lost to time and only presumably resurrected by the Sheikah (which they were later shunned for)
The game does not go into how overpowered the Zonai are for obvious reasons because that would make Ganondorf look justified for challenging them.
Admittedly they also seem to be basically dead by the time of Sonia and Rauru's founding of Hyrule. Though how the ancient hero that fought Calamity Ganon is a zonai, then, who fucking knows.
Even if the Zonai are basically dead except for the two of them, it doesn't make them any less over powered. Rauru probably could have lived forever as an overlord if he wanted to with all that magic power. What was he going to accomplish by ruling over Hyrule anyway? He clearly wasn't hiding how strong he was either. And I don't even want to get into how one tear with Ganondorf overpowered all the other tears for absolutely no logical reason.
>Ganondorf is evil magic man
Only magic he showed was larping as Zelda which for some reason he really liked to do.
As previously mentioned, the Stones draw out one's latent powers. In Zeldas case, hers are Light and Time (Because descendant of Sonia/Rauru). The stronger the latent power, the greater the amount drawn out. Ganon outright states Rauru could be a God with his powers. Assuming Dorf is still an incarnation of Demise, it would explain the massive power boost
>the stones are only as strong as you are lmao!
Why does something as stupid as that exist anyway? That's even more abusive than the triforce itself.
That's the point. The Stones are basically the new Triforce
Yeah, I hate it.
The triforce has lore and a reason to exist. There is no logic behind the Zonai coming down from space and doing a full take over. Especially the fact that all of them are "good" for doing this.
Ganondorf isn't an incarnation of Demise since this doesn't take place after Skyward Sword. This Ganondorf is just a massive asshole
>Ganondorf isn't an incarnation of Demise since this doesn't take place after Skyward Sword
Literally every Zelda takes place after Skyward Sword. And Ganon/dorf isn't an incarnation of Demise, he's basically just an empowered fuck spawned by Demise's hatred. Demise's will is long gone, it's just lingering malice.
BotW and TotK are their own continuity with the flimsy timeline being irrelevant
Possible, but I'm broadly going with the vague notion that BotW is basically just untold eons after any of other games and Hyrule Warriors is why all the timelines seemed to converge. Rauru and Sonia didn't found the very first Hyrule, they founded 'this' Hyrule.
I'm for the interpretation that Nintendo just does whatever they think is cool without any regard of an overall timeline and re-adapts shit they like in multiple games
Depends on the interpretation. Even if this is a retcon of SS, you could argue Hylia sealed Demise away herself prior to Rauru's founding of Hyrule
Or you can just accept Skyward Sword didn't happen
They blatantly acknowledge Fi as a thing as much as they can without her outright showing up. The Master Sword makes the Fi noise, it's mentioned to 'talk' to people, etc.
Fi is in Skyward Sword. BotW decided to use the concept of a talking master sword as a nod to a previous game
TotK is SS and OoT combined
pretty much which is why it's its own continuity
zelda with short hair looks way better than with long hair.
I just hate the trope of "woman with long hair has short hair after the timeskip". It's annoyingly common, as somebody who likes long hair.
My heart still hurts for what happened to Mercedes von Martriz after the timeskip
Wasn't familiar, so I looked it up and... Fucking hell what a downgrade. You can't have hair that floofy and front-and-centre and just cut it all off like that.
it's a stable time loop, the present didn't change
Time travel has consequences.
(Time travel sugarcoats bad writing)
stable time loops aren't really bad writing
everything in BotW happened but people are too fucking stupid to realize that Nintendo removed shit like shrines and the beasts to make room for the new stuff instead of a lore reason
The problem is that they're a huge part of the setting. The main reason for Zelda's mental block that was keeping her from accessing the power of the goddess is because she was focused on learning about the tools of the Sheikah and technology. The main purpose of Robbie and Purah is that both were trying to figure out the secrets of their Sheikah ancestors. The primary hope of the Kingdom of Hyrule was the Sheikah Guardians. And the primary instrument of Hyrule's fall was the Guardians. Breath of the Wild is wrapped around the Sheikah being the hope of the Kingdom and then that hope being turned against them by the Calamity. You can't just pretend they don't exist now. It's like discussing WW2 and completely ignoring the atomic bomb.
Story is always secondary to what will be fun. It's not really a problem, you guys can't understand why Nintendo makes design decisions that favour gameplay
They didn't have to sacrifice gameplay to keep them around you twit. Even if they kept them in their respective locations as objects it would've been better than just pretending they don't exist. Especially since these things, allegedly, have been buried for 10,000 years and the still work. But they vanish after 3 to 5?
The world was designed for the shrines and beasts. Keeping them around sacrifices the gameplay. Removing them gives room to change the world to compliment the new shrines and other shit.
You mean they sacrificed shrines and beasts to make room for SHRINES AND BEASTS AGAIN, THE SAME EXACT SHIT A SECOND TIME but they replaced the word "Sheikah" with "Zonai".
no shit dude
the old shrines had to go so that they could accommodate the same shit with a different name but they still had to go
Okay so smash then up then with some of them being entrances to the underground. There. The shrines still exist but are inaccessible because they're no longer relevant to this game. If someone asks, Ganondorf used the Gloom to target Shiekah technology since he was still salty about losing to them in the past. Similar can apply to the Divine Beasts. There. Now TotK doesn't sound like it was written by someone with dementia. Well it does but at least the disappearance of the shrines and beasts now have an explanation
finding destroyed shrines and divine beasts underground would make it more interesting
way too much effort when Nintendo's first goal is for the player experience rather than lore consistency
why didn't the great deku tree sense that there were two master swords for 10,000 years
The Light Dragon was clearly flying too high in the sky to be spotted prior to the Upheaval, which is why it wasn't in BOTW
Because it was hidden inside the Light Dragon.
The original BotW timeline exists without Zelda and Link as they disappeared in to the chasm (bad end).
Both were saved by Rauru, creating a new timeline. Zelda's actions in the past created the new timeline.
>we couldn't think of a story so we did OoT's story over again
God bootstrap paradoxes are so fucking stupid
I still think this is an alternate universe. This is definitely a fresh ganondorf, not the same guy or a reincarnation
You could successfully argue that each game is its own universe with how little care Nintendo gives to actually keeping a consistent timeline
its not likey dont or cant fit. THESE ones dont fit at all anywhere. the triforce isnt even a thing in them. ganondorf is a mortal man, hyrule was established by a goat, rito and zora exist at the same time.
it looks like an alternate universe totally unrelated to anything that came before, where if anything the previous games are maybe dubious little known legends
tHe TrIfOrCe IsN'T a ThInG
yeah, its not. at no point does anyone speak about the triforce, say its name, mention the goddesses, or anything. its only ever visible on some royal related shit
It's so impossibly far in the future that it's become nothing more than iconography. Go play Spirit Tracks where they don't mention any of those staples either.
Nope, Ganondorf existing is a giant argument against that. Gerudo having pointed ears is a thing of the future. Breath's Champions talk about the Seven Sages through Darunia, Ruto and Nabooru, and Medli isn't named but Vah Medoh is a reference to her.
nah. its an alternate universe (not alternate timeline)
It's very clear the Treehouse translation isn't canon, I just want to know how badly they fucked it up. They fucked up BotW pretty hard, I bet they dug the hole deeper in TotK
The zelda team clearly make a game that they like and then work out how it fits in. I for one don't give a fuck and just enjoy the themes the story is putting out as I'm not a fucking retard.
What are you talking about? It seems like you're a retard to me if you think that was the case in the past. All of the prior Zelda games were far more coherent story-wise. Tears of the Kingdom is a straight sequel and yet most of the shit makes zero sense, the main story line is not only garbage but constantly shoved in your face and it has all of the substance of a puddle.
your fucking criticism has the depth of a puddle and the literary comprehension of a fanfic slash author
your next line will be "just like this game LOL"
Keep coping, literally every previous Zelda game is better story-wise because either it gets out of your way or it at least tries to tell a story that doesn't contradict itself every step of the way.
The game's story is literally told to you through puddles.
Why the fuck is so hard for you gays to understand that nothing about ToTK was written six years ago? You are supposed to retroactively add any ToTK addition into BoTW lore, not claim that is an alternate timeline.
Maybe if the plot of TotK didn't itself create an alternate timeline via literal time travel in a move similar to Ocarina of Time, which is the catalyst for Zelda's timeline shenanigans in the first place, it wouldn't be the easiest explanation for all the discrepancies.
The only person that talks about an alternate past that isn't happening anymore is Rauru, who also thought he knew better so much that he let Ganondorf get close.
totk is a stable time loop
It didn't change anything. Botw and totk are in the same timeline. Botw was happening as Zelda had already visited the past and become a dragon. If you WANT it to be an alternate timeline, then these 2 games are in the timeline where Zelda went back, since those previous events obviously still happened.
She didn't change anything though. In ocarina of time, things were changed. A world where link physically left the timeline and left a ruined future without a hero, a fresh past where he arrested ganondorf, and a ruined past that let Ganon run rampant for more than just 7 years (downfall).
She was part of her own history, and didn't leave a timeline to live in another one. It's a closed loop, unlike oot
>Muh 2 Zelda's
Oh fuck off with that shite
>I cannot comprehend time loops allowing two people to exist simultaneously
Because it outright ignores everything about the game that came before it while assuming you knew what the fuck happened you retard. And THEN it writes its own internal timeline and logic.
>TOTK lore thread
>OP (ACfag) is invariably the dumbest motherfucker on Ganker
Why would ACfag make a lore thread
End game is really getting me with puzzle set pieces I'm too retarded to figure out so I take 15 minutes to do some retarded machine set up to beat it.
>I'm too retarded to figure out
?? literally how
what part are you even talking about
>How did zelda change the past? This doesnt add up with botws story
How could she have changed the past before she even went to the past
Did anon ever make it out of the tutorial area?
Tutorial anon pls respond:
Closed time loop. She is the sage of time, therefor she is literally the beginning and end. Why do you think there's double Oroboros symbolism all over?
so does the story contradict OoT and its sequels? TotK's imprisoning war is totally different than what was depicted earlier. Same with Ganondorf's beginning.
the timeline is not real
It contradicts it's own fucking prequel
saying it does doesn't actually mean it does
yup you got it
TotK is not consistent with any other game, not even BotW.
Im taking it as its own thing at this point, it works best that way
My impression is that it's simply a different imprisoning war and a different Ganondorf.
I think it's a different universe entirely, comic book style. Oot, tp, ww, etc. None of those happened and THIS is how ganondorf rose to power in this reality
Breath mentions Ocarina and rock salt implies Wind Waker
The flavor text means nothing and I think those are just broadly "legends" of heroes past, cause there was older heroes, but overall this is a totally different universe.
Hey, maybe there's some sort of ocarina style story to be told in the far past of this universe, since this is a combination of ganondorfs rise to power and the imprisoning war
Good luck reconciling this opinion with Mipha's diary mentioning Ocarina's Link and the statue of Darunia in Goron City.
Very easily. A version of that story happened in the past, but obviously NOT the one we know since ganondorf was born and defeated in a completely different way in a Hyrule ruled by a goat
So was everything in real life, dipshit
That's not "very easily", that's pointing to events that are impossibly far in the past from Breath's perspective but still ahead of Ocarina. For some reason you're deliberately not parsing that it's a different Hyrule and Ganon.
Botw and totk are in a different universe. Ganondorf was born in a time when Hyrule was first founded, founded by a goat. He was imprisoned.
Some time later a hero fucked a zora and it became legend and you see it in botw. Oot as it is did not and could not happen in these games.
Repeating your mission statement over and over is not a good argument or even an argument
I'm just making sure you understand what I'm saying as clearly as possible because you seem to REALLY not grasp the concept
Your argument is "Ganondorf showed up so he's the same Ganondorf" and being the same guy makes no sense in Tears' context
Stop spamming the board
Not in the least. See, this is why I was trying to make sure you understood, because you obviously don't.
I'm saying he's NOT the same ganondorf. I'm saying he's the ORIGINAL ganondorf of this reality. He's NOT a reincarnation of demise, he does NOT have the triforce of power. I'm saying NONE OF THE OLD GAMES HAPPENED IN THIS REALITY and they take place in an alternate universe.
I'm also saying he can't be the old ganondorf because he is, in every single instance, the SAME man. Every time he dies, he is resurrected. He is not ever reborn. So I'm saying this isn't him, and not him reborn either.
Now, it's not like it can't be him reborn finally and without the triforce of power (since that wasn't part of the cycle), but it definitely isn't and nothing says it is
>Stop spamming the board
I beat the game today and haven't gone on Ganker since it leaked. Other people have come to the same conclusion then
>none of the old games happened in this reality
I dunno if I buy that angle, aren't there still loads of references to the older games in the environment like the goron statues? I haven't been to the mountain yet so I can't confirm if they're there
Not him, but are they references for the sake of making you clap or are they actual references indicating those games are part of the world's history?
It depends, the armors for example I think are references because of their former existence as amiibo exclusive drops, but I find it harder to to believe that monuments in the game world to these characters are nothing but a reference.
>I find it harder to to believe that monuments in the game world to these characters are nothing but a reference
Some of them are. In botw you find lon lon ranch and it literally cannot be it, so it's purely a reference
>Some of them are
what the fuck do you think I meant by "it depends" anon? obviously I am already understanding the idea that some things may be references and others may not be
Yeah well maybe you don't understand the idea that you're a gay
It's just that overtly they don't fit and actively, with totk, retcon older games.
So I'm more comfortable saying it's an alternate universe and any and all references are to old heroes (that came after rauru seals ganondorf) but NOT old games. So if mipha tells link that in the past a hylian hero fertilized the eggs of a zora queen, that's NOT oot link. It might be a link, but not an event from oot
That can't be, because in BotW
>Fi's voice can be heard in the master sword by Zelda
>The stone slabs around Zora's domain details events of Ocarina of Time involving Princess Ruto
>Urbosa mentions Nabooru
the rito existing (be that as it may) and holding medli in a high light + hyrule having rock salt in every single ore vein all the way up to death mountain points towards wind waker having happened and the great sea fully drained over time too
iirc there's a reference to twlight princess during the knighting ceremony for link in a botw flashback
really what you're seeing are posters that are adamant about one of two possibilities
>1) it's an alternate universe or reboot, which requires ignoring every single other overt zelda reference, including voiced lines
>2) it's a retcon, which we know it's not because of the counterargument of point 1
the easiest explanation is just that it's at the ass end of the timeline, none of the hyrule historia's timelines were heavily considered in making either botw or totk, and it features a new reincarnation of ganondorf, which for some reason is an impossible outcome to these kinds of posters despite link and zelda always reincarnating no i don't give a fuck that it's "the spirit of the hero" or whatever, there is always a link and always a zelda and they always have the same features and roughly the same station in life
i really don't get what the point is of these posters trying to overcomplicate the story to avoid the easiest and most likely outcome, but if i understood why they were so intent on making things harder on themselves and others, i probably wouldn't be on an anime imageboard on a sunday afternoon
New reincarnation of Ganon(dorf) isn't even impossible. It's happened before. He fucking dies in Twilight Princess for good, and then another Ganon, a new reincarnation, shows up in Four Swords Adventures. He just doesn't usually die so it's usually the same guy. Turns out 'Master Sword through the vital organ' is enough to actually put him down for good.
yeah the adamantly thick-headed posters are hovering in an odd periphery where they're trying to defend hyrule historia to the death but they're also ignoring a lot of key points to it
i think they're being retarded on purpose since they've been at it for weeks with these very specific interpretations of the game's story, and this thread alone already had one moron pull the "oh, well, this is my first post here, so i guess somebody came to the same conclusion :)" song and dance
Like, everything to explain it being at the end of the timeline has precedent. Creating a Champion outright says "hey these old stories have faded into myth it's been so long", there's precedent for a new Ganon and a precedent for a new Hyrule, etc.
I think he meant the fact that rock salt is fucking everywhere implying the continent was under water at some point
flavor text for rock salt that is literally smothering hyrule and is found in every single one of its ore deposits
BOTW was intended to be connected to the old games but after its huge success Nintendo said fuck it with TOTK and decided to make it a separate universe
Some kind of "history is forgotten" or "way later in history" kind of thing?
It's more like BotW and thus TotK seem to be WAY off in the future from any other Zelda game. It's so far in the future that it had a whole-ass ancient civilisation that rose and fell between it and any other latest one. The Zonai ONLY exist in BotW/TotK, there's zero reference to them at all in any other game, so either there's somehow an absurdly massive timegap between OOT's Downfall timeline and LttP happening (which doesn't make sense because that'd mean there were two Ganondorfs because TotK Dorf is so clearly not the same as OOT's, and having two doesn't seem to be a 'thing' that can happen with how Demise's curse works, the Downfall timeline even already has a new Ganon showing up in Four Swords Adventures after he dies in Twilight Princess). You could just shrug and say "eh it's just another universe/continuity" or whatever, and that's fine, but Creating a Champion outright says basically all of the prior Zelda games have 'faded to myth' which I think lends more credence to the notion that the Wild duology is just FAR after everything else.
It could be like in the remake of The Time Machine (movie) from like 2005 or whenever it was. So much time has past that a new civilisation is built literally on top of the old one. So, maybe the Hylians evolved into goat people and then back into humans again?
I'm gonna assume the Zonai were basically just chilling way back when, or arose somewhere else. Fuck it, they evolved from the weird bird things in Twilight Princess, I dunno, they seem to be just as weird a chimeric mishmash of animals as the birds were. Zonai didn't come from Hylians, they just kind of happened independently I guess.
I'm more surprised they didn't turn into crabs
I'm not sure which is worse, Zelda being descended from a goat or a crab.
Hylia's clearly guiding the evolution. Or outright creating them, I dunno.
You know, the idea that the Zonai are just ancient Hylians isn't a bad heacanon. We've already had fish people evolve into bird people and now the two just sort of co-exist. Zonai being some Yakub bullshit somehow makes them a bit more palatable.
>the Downfall timeline even already has a new Ganon showing up in Four Swords Adventures
Four Swords Adventures is in the Child timeline.
So it does, I misremembered which one was where. Rest of what I said still largely stands.
I think it's a cop out to say, "rook itsu justu SUPA fa inu futuru". I think maybe that was the explanation for botw but totk is absolutely in a totally different continuity. As you said, that's a totally different dorf. I think NOW it's solidly a different continuity where the old games are myths ONLY and not actual past events that have been forgotten. I think any references are to unrelated (to old game) events that are just similar. I think this is the end point of a NEW universe and now we have a blank slate of untolds amount of time before totk where heroes definitely existed at different points but did NOT fight ganondorf, who would have been sealed by rauru far far far far far under the castle
Totally different Dorf doesn't mean it's a new continuity. Four Swords Adventures shows a new Ganon CAN just show up. It's not unreasonable it happened again. Triforce's absence outside of Zelda's royalty powers I can't explain, but maybe it's just a broad "fuck it, the Triforce doesn't work like it did anymore because the Goddesses got fed up".
Well it's either a reincarnated ganondorf that's somehow mirroring past events like imprisoning war and pretending fealty to the king of Hyrule to betray him to seize power, or an alternate universe.
It feels wrong for them to walk the same steps. They do ALL the time but the SAME story from oot? Feels like even they wouldn't do that if it was meant to be the same character and not a new one
I mean it's not really the same story as OOT. It follows the broadly same beginning, but he's completely seen through and only gets away with it because Rauru is stupid enough to believe in keeping your enemies close.
>pretending fealty to the king of Hyrule to betray him to seize power
to be fair this is like, a super obvious thing someone who wants to perform a coup would do.
Ganondorf reprising his Ocarina steps is perfectly consistent with every Link and Zelda mirroring their past selves in some way imo
Imprisoning War was forgotten and the Calamity was a different event.
No. BOTW/TOTK is a separate universe from old Zelda games. Its a reboot.
Zelda is far more enjoyable when you teach each game (or collection of direct sequels) as "a legend retold"
Trying to make a timeline out of it makes no sense and is dumb and I don't care if they made a book talking about how it's totally legit
>Zelda look at random sphere of light
>orb of light start shinning brighter and brighter
>broken master sword appear
>the master sword? so lucky!
Who wrote this trash
The story makes no fucking sense even disregarding BotW
ACfag is extremely insistent this game is an AU and has no evidence for it that isn't outright of the game
acfag doesn't care about story in a video game you obtuse buffoon.
explains the 24/7 "just accept it's a reboot you fucking dumb babies" threads
nope. you should try lurking for once, little baby zelda player
This thread tells me that most of Ganker is composed of illiterate retards if they can't even understand a Zelda game.
it's true and I am one of them
Just accept botw and totk are a rebooted universe
BotW fit the original timeline just fine. It was TotK that came along and said the formation of Hyrule and the Imprisoning War were actually part of the same generation and thus Ocarina of Time couldn't have happened in this version of Hyrule, despite BotW making direct reference to it.
guys tears used the hyrule historia term that has never been used in a game before tears
ocarina got retconned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where in BOTW does it say that the imprisoning war was Ocarina's one ?
I just don't take the "first king of hyrule" stuff seriously considering the supposed founding of the kingdom was depicted in skyward sword's ending
>Make the Zora level Super Mario Sunshine
why the fuck did Nintendo do this
mmmmmmnature good!!! Oil bad!!!!!
BotW/TotK are just set an arbitrary number of cycles ahead from the previous games. Hyrule's been destroyed and re-founded multiple times and the current iteration was founded by goatfuckers. The details added in TotK awkward and a little retcon-y, but BotW was always supposed to be set way way ahead of the other games.
That said, I can't help but wonder if this is another instance of details getting butchered in translation and blowing up moderate retcons way bigger than they should be.
It just seems odd for them to place an arbitrarily large number like 10k years between this kingdom's founding and the events of BotW, and still expect this to all happen an indescribably long time after the events of the previously established timeline, when certain events from that original timeline are still occasionally referenced.
Some shit just lingers throughout time because people realise it's important. That Hylia is a literal present force as a goddess means it's not that weird she continues to be worshiped, for example. Sometimes things are just references, sometimes they're just remnants of a long-lost history.
what is zelda's fucking proplem?
I wish that zonai were before skyward sword because it would explain those little fuckers as just stylized constructs, but nothing else aligns if thats the case
seriously what the fuck are those robots and where did they come from
Pre-Skyward Sword people. People who sealed Demise away and such. There's not a lot else to them besides them being a precursor.
That's literally what the Zonai were in BotW before TotK decided to use that small bit of world building as the basis for the plot of a sequel.
Fair enough, but Skyward Sword didn't get a sequel and it's incredibly unlikely we'll get anything about how Demise was sealed away to begin with, because that's "outside" the scope of the series, so to speak. Skyward Sword is how Zelda, Link, the Master Sword and Ganon(dorf) came to be, functionally. Some games stray from that more or less, sure, but they rarely go completely outside of it.
>still believing botw and totk happen after skyward sword
The Master Sword existing with the association with Fi pretty clearly points towards that being the case, along with it being mentioned in Creating a Champion that the older games' stories have faded into myth. A thing can't fade into myth if it happens LATER.
Sorry for bringing in /vg/ but can somebody tell me what I did wrong here?
I asked how enemies put rockets on arrows and got so much shit for not knowing that you get rockets from gatcha pods to put on them.
I mean i just started the game and just saw them shooting rockets and asked how, but it's like I insulted somebody.
Should I not have asked at all?
I dont go to /vg/ much, and dont really look up guides to games before playing.
you attach them the same way you attach everything else to arrows anon, did you not pay attention during the tutorials?
I found rockets on the ground not in those capsule pods, you can't attatch stuff on the ground to your arrows.
That's why i asked.
I didnt know you could get them from capsule pods until i looked it up from the shit i got.
/vg/ is full of trannies and mentally unstable retards, depending on the game, most of us avoid /vg/ and you'll often see both boards at odds with each other.
The only thing full of them is your mind.
i like to think that now botw link takes the place of the "fallen hero". They make it clear that originally Zelda wasn't in the past before, so probably originally Link was unable to use the master sword ot stright up died with zelda in that cave
>They make it clear that originally Zelda wasn't in the past before
They never make that clear.
There's exactly one line from Rauru indicating that's the case and most of the plot revolves around Rauru being too arrogant to kill Ganondorf straight away, when he had Ganondorf pegged immediately and Zelda gave him numerous warnings
Not that guy but no there isn't
Watch the cutscenes.
How about you watch the cutscenes and tell us exactly when and where he says it
After Sonia's death, the dragon tear that starts with Rauru looking at her grave.
Ok, and that explains that Zelda wasn't originally in the past how?
My point was there is no past where she wasn't there, dummy. Read the post that made your butthole pucker.
You SPECIFICALLY said she WASNT originally in the past and that link died without a master sword, and when pressed, you said rauru said one line proving it
That's the ORIGINAL child timeline
So uhhhh what the fuck did we accomplish in BotW if Ganondorf is still alive under the castle?
Somehow Ganondorf returned
The Ganon we fought in BOTW is the physical manifestation of how fucking pissed Ganondorf is while being sealed away, mixed together with his magic in order to hold itself together, thus the name of his power, "Malice".
Who'd win, a major zelda boss fight or link carrying a fucking fire hydrant
>Who'd win, a major zelda boss fight or link carrying a fucking fire hydrant
link carrying a fucking fire hydrant
>giant spider crab
>kid with a slingshot
>this boss fight would have been infinitely less painful if I just brought fire hydrants
I’m so mad
I whooped his ass with a pocket full of chu-chus and then sniping the shit out of him using the slow-mo aerial shot.
Zelda told the sages of each kingdom to be prepared to reawaken in the era from which she herself hailed so Link would have an army to fight Ganondorf, then made herself immortal to deliver an almighty version of the Master Sword that can survive Gloom back to us.
>Turning into a dragon is stated to be an irreversible process that destroys your mind and sense of self
>Lol jk we'll save Zelda by holding out our hands
Fucking stupid and a waste of a bittersweet ending.
>You WILL defeat the villain
>You WILL get the girl
>You WILL enjoy the happy ending
bittersweet morons get the rope, power of love super-juicing recall to change zelda back > zelda staying a mindless beast and one of the keys to defeating the evil that persists throughout history being lost forever
OOT > MM > WW > TP > SS > TOTK > BOTW
how do i make robero piss off to hateno
i need to see where i was on the map already
Find Autobuild by speaking with the girl he's assisting about the big tablet she has, which unlocks after one dungeon is finished.
SEX WITH ZELDA
that is all
It astonishes me people care about Zelda lore.
There's no great plan, the games are absolutely NOT connected to each other in any meaningful way, it's all just after-the-fact justifications for whatever mythos they wanted to introduce this time, before having link kill ganon with the help of zelda's magic.
Stop wasting your time trying to rationalize the irrelevant. It's nonsense.
also I'm trans btw
It's been like seven years of people spamming that as a "no u" and it's lost its teeth my man
well said sister!
ohh no no no he doubled down
It's not just Zelda. Fans always care way more about autistic minutia than the people that make the products. Star Wars is a good example, they just make shit up constantly to sell more movies but the fan wiki has articles longer than the Bible on the lore of some background character with no lines. The passion can be endearing to a point but after that point it's just mental illness
>Riju still reveres Urbosa
>the Rito already forgot Revali
Did I miss some dialogue? Bird brains completely forgot the giant mecha bird, too.
Revali was an assbag and not actually held in high esteem beyond being "their greatest warrior + Vah Medoh's pilot"
Vah Medoh is still referenced, one woman points out the bird perch of their home village and refers to it as Vah Medoh's Perch
To be fair, isn't Urbosa Riju's mom or something? She would want to live up to her late mother as ruler. Revali had no descendants, had an abrasive personality, and never ruled over anyone. Teba and Tulin wouldn't care about living up to him specifically, they just want to help their village on principle
"Descendant" so Urbosa is probably her great-grandmother or great-great-grandmother
Yeah OK, I forgot whether or not Gerudo have longer lifespans but I guess they're normal
Urbosa is her ancestor, vaguely defined.