>waaah waaah sniper is overpowered
Why's he off-class in competitive and rare there? >waah waah he's OP in casual
Like a conch box soldier? Or a natascha heavy? Maybe a soda popper scout? Eyelander demoknight? They're not overpowered if it's relying on the inexperience of players to stomp. >nooooo there's no counterplay to sniper he just instakills me!!!
If you walk in a straight line or aren't paying attention, sure. You can move your head hitbox, you can listen for shots and time it, you can coordinate with your team, you can spam his location or suspected locations. >WAAAAH THAT MAKES IT HARD TO AIM >WAAAH HE'S TOO QUIET CUS HE'S FAR AWAY >WAAAAH IT'S TOO HARD TO COORDINATE IN PUBS >WAAAAAH I SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST WALK UP AND KILL HIM >IT'S NOT FAAAAAAIR I SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO GET INTO HIS RANGE AND KILL HIM AND HE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!!
You just need to get better at the game then.
Sniper is NOT overpowered. YOU are underpowered. Stop blaming it on a 16 year old hat trading simulator.
>Scorch only works against stationary players.
*spams your choke points and forces all light classes to leave, preventing pushes singlehandedly unless they have an uber, while also charging phlog*
>Implying there isn't a dispenser already >Implying he wont run into a level3 when charging into that chokepoint
Every weapon is imbalanced against shitters who have no clue about the game.
>Scorch only works against stationary players.
hmm I wonder who would hate scorch shot the most
>Medic
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Implying there isn't a dispenser already
afterburn cripples all healbeams. even with a dispenser it takes a long time to heal.
forcing half the enemy team to retreat is a massive advantage for very little effort no matter how you look at it and he can spam it constantly with zero risk or skill.
Still forces him to give up his secondary, meaning no more funny jarate+bushwhacks schenanigans.
Considering that the Pyro’s purpose is to be an annoyance to everyone at all times, I still think he wins.
I've never had an issue with any of the flare guns feeling OP. I rarely die to them, and even then it's mostly from pyros doing the degreaser + flare gun combo. Do people just stand still and wait for those slow-moving flares to hit them or something?
The flare gun is tied with the cleaver for second fastest projectile in the game what is Ganker fricking talking about the only thing faster is a manmelter shot
Pyro shitters have the nerve to complain about their weapons being hard to use while their weapons are >flamethrower that rewards you for not aiming >one of the fastest projectile weapons in the game that reloads while unequipped and has aoe burn damage
>I've never had an issue with any of the flare guns feeling OP
because you dont play heavy and havent had the joy of losing a third of your health from across the map every 5s because of this dumbass unlock
Usually when I'm on fire as a heavy and the pyro is too far away I pull back or have a medic heal me. Just learn the map and figure out the spots where pyros and snipers have a hard time sniping you instead of sitting out in the open.
>and the pyro is too far away I pull back or have a medic heal me
heavy is supposed to counter pyro he should not have an unlock that shits on heavies in the first place.
Yes they should? What do you just want heavy to be an instant win button? This ain't fire emblem, there's no weapon triangle here, everyone should have something to mitigate their weaknesses.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>This ain't fire emblem, there's no weapon triangle here, everyone should have something to mitigate their weaknesses.
youre a dumb Black person counter does not mean he wins every time it means he has an advantage against pyro. that goes out the window when pyro has an unlock that shuts down all heavies with no counterplay.
pyro can still win a 1v1 if he catches him by a surprise and bursts him down with the shotgun or if he hits multiple flare crits but neither of those are easy and they shouldn't be.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Have you tried shooting back? You have like double his health and five times his dps.
7 months ago
Anonymous
he can hit me with scorch shot from a mile away
what the frick am I gonna do? tickle him with 3 damage bullets?
>pyro has an unlock that shuts down all heavies with no counterplay
Move to a safe area instead of letting yourself be slowly killed. If that's too hard for you maybe you should play an easier class.
>Move to a safe area
in other words just run away and give up
7 months ago
Anonymous
yes moron, run away and give up. it's called picking your battles.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>slowest and loudest class in the game >picking his battles
just admit you main pyro and it's your crutch
7 months ago
Anonymous
>just admit
I accept your concession.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You know that heavy was literally designed for players who know which fights to pick right? It’s in the dev commentary
7 months ago
Anonymous
yeah they mean dont walk around like a tard unrevved when youre at the front it doesnt mean never leave spawn because a scorch shot pyro is on the other team
7 months ago
Anonymous
It also means not to fight in the open where literally every class has something that they can take potshots at you with, only place you should be getting fricked by scorches(or any explosive) is around corners, where the soldiers and demo men are supposed to pick up the slack and spam out everyone peeking you. It’s not that the scorch shot itself is particularly problematic it’s that heavy NEEDS someone to deal with the corner spammers
7 months ago
Anonymous
>It also means not to fight in the open
good maps have large open areas
you might enjoy playing dogshit maps like dustbowl but I dont
7 months ago
Anonymous
>pyro has an unlock that shuts down all heavies with no counterplay
Move to a safe area instead of letting yourself be slowly killed. If that's too hard for you maybe you should play an easier class.
>heavy is supposed to counter pyro
Heavy is best at killing close/mid-range enemies. If a pyro is standing outside of your minigun's effective range there is no point in shooting at him. If you're shooting at a distant pyro because "heavy is supposed to counter pyro" I really don't know what to tell you.
>average engi shuts down high skill pyro
well that's just not true. an average engi is going to make the mistake of upgrading to a level 3 sentry and get rockets reflected into their face.
Now, demoman, nothing pyro can do against demoman. You can't REALLY reflect stickies, you just kinda push them a little further away but they can't do anything about airbursts.
125-185 hp is somehow problematic for a class that has to hope the chip damage doesn't put them below oneshot threshold when a spy or scout walks up behind them
>pyro counters soldier, demo even >scout counters demo or soldier
you should be on the bottom of that tierlist followed by a remark "can be completely shut down by literally anything" and 9 circles under it, one for each class
no, you don't know how to hit a single rocket, or a sticky, or grenade
7 months ago
Anonymous
you need 2 rockets/pipes/stickies to kill a scout tho
7 months ago
Anonymous
airblast beats rockets and grenades and fricks up sticky traps
flanking completely avoids stickies in the first place and lets you get close enough that using rockets and grenades is suicidal
Literally just double jump you fricking moron or MAYBE adadad if they have half a brain cell
FYI soldier was LITERALLY DESIGNED to be countered by scout in the dev commentary on account of his rockets being so fricking slow
Scorch shot has knockback and the projectile is persistent after it hits so it can ignite multiple people. Or it did on release I don't know if they decided to suck all the fun out of it. But god damn bonking snipers with that thing is fun. They get SO MAD.
Had a funny encounter yesterday while playing casual. I wanted to do a little mic spam like the old days and played this audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs_OxX5TEW8&ab_channel=Ludokano
Turns out people thought I was a bot, and someone with a gay fake Russian accent told me to turn it off. I immediately looked into the American handbook of insults and called him a Black person. This caused refugee uncletopiagays in the server to have a melty and try to vote kick me (it didn't work), initiate vote kick on guy who tried to vote kick me (it passed). Anyway, here's a little snippet of the autism that occurred in chat.
My bro showed me a video with a bunch of strong and hairy men to understand the joke then those hairy naked men as TF characters to see the joke. I saw 2 gay videos.
Pyro and Sniper are the two classes I can topscore with while not even focusing on the game
Pyro just requires basic map awareness and Sniper just requires some mechanical skill
In order of most to least focus required to be valuable it's: >Engineer >Medic >Scout >Spy >Soldier >Demoman >Heavy >Pyro >Sniper
This has been scientifically tested through me playing TF2 while concentrating on language courses
>played special needs scout heavy for years on partyvan and publics >got hales own shotgun with it exclusive >swiveled left-right and spammed no as my pocket medics burned to death waiting for heals >wore a white football helmet + towel only >gave away a burning team captain to a partyvan steam friend as it didn't fit the required aesthetic and I was giving up on tf2 anyway
Hope you made bank on that hat, bro. I sincerely hope the partyvan server still has those crazy maps and hldj touhou spam that I enjoyed over a decade ago.
Make the Brass Beast get lighter as you run out of ammo with the explanation that the bullets are what makes the gun so heavy.
Make remove the secret damage increase from the steak and make it buff your health up to 325 if at full. Keep the forced melee.
Keep Warrior's Spirit the same but let it return health on kill.
At 0 bullets you run as fast as a Demoman meaning that it incentives you to spend all your ammo and then run at people with the Steak and Warrior's Spirit making you as fast as a Medic.
By damage increase on the Buffalo Steak I mean the increased damage to the player.
It makes you take like 15 or 20 percent more damage when you eat it. Most people don't know this.
Sure why not.
Keeps you from getting Baby Face's Blastered by walking next to a Dispenser on accident.
Maybe it could have a jetison ammo button instead of a spinup.
Heh.
Goy McDonald is a manchild homosexual
>improves ur dustbowl
>waaah waaah sniper is overpowered
Why's he off-class in competitive and rare there?
>waah waah he's OP in casual
Like a conch box soldier? Or a natascha heavy? Maybe a soda popper scout? Eyelander demoknight? They're not overpowered if it's relying on the inexperience of players to stomp.
>nooooo there's no counterplay to sniper he just instakills me!!!
If you walk in a straight line or aren't paying attention, sure. You can move your head hitbox, you can listen for shots and time it, you can coordinate with your team, you can spam his location or suspected locations.
>WAAAAH THAT MAKES IT HARD TO AIM
>WAAAH HE'S TOO QUIET CUS HE'S FAR AWAY
>WAAAAH IT'S TOO HARD TO COORDINATE IN PUBS
>WAAAAAH I SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST WALK UP AND KILL HIM
>IT'S NOT FAAAAAAIR I SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO GET INTO HIS RANGE AND KILL HIM AND HE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!!
You just need to get better at the game then.
Sniper is NOT overpowered. YOU are underpowered. Stop blaming it on a 16 year old hat trading simulator.
>no counterarguments
lol
the whole post is counterarguments unless you're talking about how no one made any yet then yes it makes me smile too
>Ganker will defend this
>t. Sniper main
>sniper giving a shit about the scorch shot
But they're the one whining about non stop. Scorch only works against stationary players.
>Scorch only works against stationary players.
*spams your choke points and forces all light classes to leave, preventing pushes singlehandedly unless they have an uber, while also charging phlog*
also
>pushes back literally every medi-gun unless they're running quick-fix
>Implying there isn't a dispenser already
>Implying he wont run into a level3 when charging into that chokepoint
Every weapon is imbalanced against shitters who have no clue about the game.
>Medic
>Implying there isn't a dispenser already
afterburn cripples all healbeams. even with a dispenser it takes a long time to heal.
forcing half the enemy team to retreat is a massive advantage for very little effort no matter how you look at it and he can spam it constantly with zero risk or skill.
>Scorch only works against stationary players.
hmm I wonder who would hate scorch shot the most
>a direct hit projectile with splash damage and passive reload is 2 hard 2 aim :((
Still forces him to give up his secondary, meaning no more funny jarate+bushwhacks schenanigans.
Considering that the Pyro’s purpose is to be an annoyance to everyone at all times, I still think he wins.
Why did they think adding a fire and forget detonator was a good idea when the detonator already existed
I don't defend it at all I know it's busted, that's why I use it
I've never had an issue with any of the flare guns feeling OP. I rarely die to them, and even then it's mostly from pyros doing the degreaser + flare gun combo. Do people just stand still and wait for those slow-moving flares to hit them or something?
The flare gun is tied with the cleaver for second fastest projectile in the game what is Ganker fricking talking about the only thing faster is a manmelter shot
Pyro shitters have the nerve to complain about their weapons being hard to use while their weapons are
>flamethrower that rewards you for not aiming
>one of the fastest projectile weapons in the game that reloads while unequipped and has aoe burn damage
It’s because they don’t deal any fucling damage so you gotta pull some bullshit to get kills
>I've never had an issue with any of the flare guns feeling OP
because you dont play heavy and havent had the joy of losing a third of your health from across the map every 5s because of this dumbass unlock
Usually when I'm on fire as a heavy and the pyro is too far away I pull back or have a medic heal me. Just learn the map and figure out the spots where pyros and snipers have a hard time sniping you instead of sitting out in the open.
>and the pyro is too far away I pull back or have a medic heal me
heavy is supposed to counter pyro he should not have an unlock that shits on heavies in the first place.
Yes they should? What do you just want heavy to be an instant win button? This ain't fire emblem, there's no weapon triangle here, everyone should have something to mitigate their weaknesses.
>This ain't fire emblem, there's no weapon triangle here, everyone should have something to mitigate their weaknesses.
youre a dumb Black person counter does not mean he wins every time it means he has an advantage against pyro. that goes out the window when pyro has an unlock that shuts down all heavies with no counterplay.
pyro can still win a 1v1 if he catches him by a surprise and bursts him down with the shotgun or if he hits multiple flare crits but neither of those are easy and they shouldn't be.
Have you tried shooting back? You have like double his health and five times his dps.
he can hit me with scorch shot from a mile away
what the frick am I gonna do? tickle him with 3 damage bullets?
>Move to a safe area
in other words just run away and give up
yes moron, run away and give up. it's called picking your battles.
>slowest and loudest class in the game
>picking his battles
just admit you main pyro and it's your crutch
>just admit
I accept your concession.
You know that heavy was literally designed for players who know which fights to pick right? It’s in the dev commentary
yeah they mean dont walk around like a tard unrevved when youre at the front it doesnt mean never leave spawn because a scorch shot pyro is on the other team
It also means not to fight in the open where literally every class has something that they can take potshots at you with, only place you should be getting fricked by scorches(or any explosive) is around corners, where the soldiers and demo men are supposed to pick up the slack and spam out everyone peeking you. It’s not that the scorch shot itself is particularly problematic it’s that heavy NEEDS someone to deal with the corner spammers
>It also means not to fight in the open
good maps have large open areas
you might enjoy playing dogshit maps like dustbowl but I dont
>pyro has an unlock that shuts down all heavies with no counterplay
Move to a safe area instead of letting yourself be slowly killed. If that's too hard for you maybe you should play an easier class.
>heavy is supposed to counter pyro
Heavy is best at killing close/mid-range enemies. If a pyro is standing outside of your minigun's effective range there is no point in shooting at him. If you're shooting at a distant pyro because "heavy is supposed to counter pyro" I really don't know what to tell you.
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TICK TOCK
>scorch shot Bad!!!!!
>rockets Good!!!!
This
>average engi shuts down high skill pyro
well that's just not true. an average engi is going to make the mistake of upgrading to a level 3 sentry and get rockets reflected into their face.
Now, demoman, nothing pyro can do against demoman. You can't REALLY reflect stickies, you just kinda push them a little further away but they can't do anything about airbursts.
125-185 hp is somehow problematic for a class that has to hope the chip damage doesn't put them below oneshot threshold when a spy or scout walks up behind them
>high skill
>click on head with the AWP all of the time
>no skill counters.. soldier and demo
the pyro and scout are literally right there in the image.
>pyro counters soldier, demo even
>scout counters demo or soldier
you should be on the bottom of that tierlist followed by a remark "can be completely shut down by literally anything" and 9 circles under it, one for each class
you don't know how to airblast or flank which completely cripple the explosive classes because of reflects and self damage
no, you don't know how to hit a single rocket, or a sticky, or grenade
you need 2 rockets/pipes/stickies to kill a scout tho
airblast beats rockets and grenades and fricks up sticky traps
flanking completely avoids stickies in the first place and lets you get close enough that using rockets and grenades is suicidal
Literally just double jump you fricking moron or MAYBE adadad if they have half a brain cell
FYI soldier was LITERALLY DESIGNED to be countered by scout in the dev commentary on account of his rockets being so fricking slow
scout shits all over demo, a w m1 moron can kill most demos
>slow moving projectile that does ~30 damage splash at long range and has no other effects
Scorch shot has knockback and the projectile is persistent after it hits so it can ignite multiple people. Or it did on release I don't know if they decided to suck all the fun out of it. But god damn bonking snipers with that thing is fun. They get SO MAD.
Im talking about rockets
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Had a funny encounter yesterday while playing casual. I wanted to do a little mic spam like the old days and played this audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs_OxX5TEW8&ab_channel=Ludokano
Turns out people thought I was a bot, and someone with a gay fake Russian accent told me to turn it off. I immediately looked into the American handbook of insults and called him a Black person. This caused refugee uncletopiagays in the server to have a melty and try to vote kick me (it didn't work), initiate vote kick on guy who tried to vote kick me (it passed). Anyway, here's a little snippet of the autism that occurred in chat.
baused
Muy basando
>or i start throwing
Should instakick him right there
>Brass beast
>Dalokohs bar
>Fists of steel
yeah it's TF2 time
>brass beast
lol lmao
filtered by the brass chad
My bro showed me a video with a bunch of strong and hairy men to understand the joke then those hairy naked men as TF characters to see the joke. I saw 2 gay videos.
you're just gay
Pyro and Sniper are the two classes I can topscore with while not even focusing on the game
Pyro just requires basic map awareness and Sniper just requires some mechanical skill
In order of most to least focus required to be valuable it's:
>Engineer
>Medic
>Scout
>Spy
>Soldier
>Demoman
>Heavy
>Pyro
>Sniper
This has been scientifically tested through me playing TF2 while concentrating on language courses
Why does it seem like TF2 players are either turbohomosexuals or nazis and there's no in between?
Because tf2 is a shitpost game and both of those things are funny to larp as.
Shit I still have a brony avatar for that game.
Because people who aren't invested in homosexualry on antihomosexualry don't tend to talk about it.
>played special needs scout heavy for years on partyvan and publics
>got hales own shotgun with it exclusive
>swiveled left-right and spammed no as my pocket medics burned to death waiting for heals
>wore a white football helmet + towel only
>gave away a burning team captain to a partyvan steam friend as it didn't fit the required aesthetic and I was giving up on tf2 anyway
Hope you made bank on that hat, bro. I sincerely hope the partyvan server still has those crazy maps and hldj touhou spam that I enjoyed over a decade ago.
>*nerfs your class*
How does Soldier get away with it?
Make the Brass Beast get lighter as you run out of ammo with the explanation that the bullets are what makes the gun so heavy.
Make remove the secret damage increase from the steak and make it buff your health up to 325 if at full. Keep the forced melee.
Keep Warrior's Spirit the same but let it return health on kill.
At 0 bullets you run as fast as a Demoman meaning that it incentives you to spend all your ammo and then run at people with the Steak and Warrior's Spirit making you as fast as a Medic.
By damage increase on the Buffalo Steak I mean the increased damage to the player.
It makes you take like 15 or 20 percent more damage when you eat it. Most people don't know this.
Sounds like fun!
do you keep the speedboost until you switch back to the minigun or does picking up a full ammo kit instantly make you slow?
Sure why not.
Keeps you from getting Baby Face's Blastered by walking next to a Dispenser on accident.
Maybe it could have a jetison ammo button instead of a spinup.
I was talking more about killing two guys during the steak and losing the speed boost because they drop ammo on death
I put Ram Ranch on blast at my house unironically just to piss my roommate off.
I don't care if you are gay or not the riffs are solid.
Imagine wasting so much time on something so quickly dismissed
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