>22 since we last got a good Final Fantasy
Where did it all go so wrong?
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>22 since we last got a good Final Fantasy
>22 since we last got a good Final Fantasy
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When they abandoned the turn based combat gods and were forever cast into the hell of mediocrity
turn based chads do not forgive, turn based chads do not forget
>turn based
>chads
being cucked eternally and refusing to let go isnt being a chad
X and X-2 had pretty much perfected turn based combat for Final Fantasy and the morons at Square decided to drop it forever.
>X-2
>turn based
ATB is still turn based gay
it's shitty version of turn based where you have to wait bar to fill up and then go to submenu quickly so the enemy won't hit you while choosing your next action.
X-2 is just like 7 which is also ATB. Go ahead, try and argue that 7 is not turn-based I dare you. You will only out yourself as a massive tard.
Still turn-based whether you like the system or not.
Barely, ATB was worse than the pure turn based before it and not sure why they stick'd with it for so long. Combat peaked with FFX.
>X
Yes.
>X-2
No.
ATB is the worst of both worlds between real-time and turn-based. It features none of the time leniency of turn-based to plot strategic moves, and none of the instantaneous moment-to-moment behavior of real-time combat. The ATBs FFs were good for their stories, not their combat. What also sucks about ATB is that it's linked to framerate, which makes it feel awful to play at high FPS and quite possibly why Square never bothered to release FFX/X-2 remaster in 60fps.
FF never fully grasped its own potential. Instead of taking cues from other turn-based JRPGs like SMT it decided to go full DMC. FFX had the best combat in the series.
Im not being cucked. The number one game out right now is turn based. Be sure to leave some beer in the fridge for me when youre at work tomorrow. Im always famished after spending the afternoon with your wife.
>The number one game out right now is turn based.
Sold less than XVI despite being available for 3 years...
turn based troons spend all their time seething on Ganker instead of playing their menu sim garbage
>>turn based
>being cucked eternally
They hate us cause they ain't us turn based chads
>turn based gods
I too love marvel movies.
Soul.
>https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/fd2eOVmHz4Zh6zeXhXV-bQ/
hi ACgay
>no argument
every ACgay shitpost is a non-argument
>it's a shitpost because.... I disagree with it!
>do optional side content
>get rewarded with powerful summon
take me back
FF7 is not a good example of turn based, it's godawful. It's like using silent hill to dunk on action games.
perhaps i underestimated you, acgay. ggwp
13 was turn based and it sucked too
Mostly because it was a hallway with just battles.
XIIIs turn based battles were really fun tbh.
>*sheep sounds play*
Dissidia 012
Also people really like XII, I didn't, but I get the appeal just not for me. XIII is fricking dogshit though
>Where did it all go so wrong?
Enix merge and talent leaving the company. XII had to be made by the ivalice team, and even it got butchered by management.
>Dissidia
have a nice day shonenslop nomura homosexual
someone hates fun
I hate bad arena fighter games written by deviantart morons for an audience of young japanese boys and Black folk who think naruto is cool, yes. Your poor tastes are not my problem.
16 > 10
I have heard good things about 16.
Sucks it's locked to PS5
Buy a PS5 then.
I heard the battle system sucks. Is that true ? It seemed like a dumbed down beat them up.
It's fine.
Doesn't set new standards or anything but it's also not one button slop like 15's
The first playthrough is forced normal difficulty, so it does get repetitive after a while. It's cooldown based stagger rotations, and most trash enemies dont have stagger bars so you just nuke them with the same abilities.
>beat-em-ups
>having depth
good one, zoomer
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he righ doe.
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.
My first FF game was 10. Loved it so much I went back and played 9, 8, 7, & 6. I assumed there was a glorious future to this new series that I had just discovered. Then 12 came out and it was obvious that something (a lot of things) were just off. That downward trend started w/12 and it just feels like the movie and subsequent merger and restructuring killed the series.
To this day I can't believe that I've been waiting 22 years to get that same feeling I got when I first discovered FF.
this anon gets it
It was all going so well before the shitty movie too, Sakaguchi really fought for his right to be a has-been in the videogame industry with that one
The objectively correct answer.
Everything other answer is just FFV or VI gays having shit taste, as per usual.
Your birth is where it went wrong
For all of its faults in its individual mechanics XV still managed to have compelling characters, an FF trademark as was fun even if it was unpolished as hell
XVI is polished beyond belief and has the best combat system since 10, all it needs is more endgame content that’s it.
>XV still managed to have compelling characters,
only if you got the DLCs
>Buy the complete game on steam
>Post about how it's good
>Some moron on Ganker goes on a schizo rant about dlc
Not my fault you gladly paid $60 almost 10 years ago to shovel unfinished console slop in your mouth. Pc chads stay winning because the day 1 pc release had all the dlc and was a completed game
I wasn't expecting XV to be early access trash for a game that was worked on for TEN YEARS
> and was a completed game
true ending novel exists for XV
>Buying a game in 2016 and not expecting it to be early access slop
You must have been out of touch with gaming
did you miss out on the 10 year dev time that game had?
Shame that the gameplay also sucked because of Tabata being a casual pandering hack
>10
3.5 years
>novel
non canon and not the story
meanwhile kh3 ending is in a dlc and a rhythm game and novel
ff7r ending is in a dlc and a novel and mobile game and a subsequent game
ff16 has no ending you have to wait for the ultimania book to explain what happened and watch the ff16 musical and cut content dlc
cope nomuragay
nope
base xv is more compelling than any ff since 7
>Fun combat
>No monsters to use it against
God, all 16 needed was better exploration and monster variety/challenge. I could forgive the horrible story and shit pacing.
>endgame content
the game was the content. Play FF mode or ultimania in the arcade stages and shut the frick up
all xvi needs is to be a completely different game in every way, just xiii, xiv, and xv
Final fantasy X-2 is where it went wrong
Also ff11 is unironic kino in 2023
I love X's aesthetic. It was the end of the golden era of FF
X is shit, just as linear as XIII and 90% of the cast are annoying as absolute ass
>tfw filtered by Seymour flux
you wouldn't understand...
Faceapp smile? Not worthwhile.
Playing through it now, I played it when it first came out and holy shit it holds up so well today. All of the FF games afterwards lost their magic, this one still had soul.
when does titus come back as a whale
>X
>good
Indeed. His attempt at a forced, and forgive me for saying, bad laugh was made with such talent that it fit the scene perfectly. Upon regaining my senses I do find it in poor tasteas it mocks a young lady's attempt to maintain her composure in such a bleak situation. However, it does give a hint of Tidus's personality and characterization. If you are one of those unfortunate to be feeble-minded and mistook this acting scene as actual bad-acting I would almost pity you if I wasn't so very insulted by your mere presence. Now if you excuse me, big-titty wolf futa on small-breasted brown tomboy impregnation porn does not look at itself.
If SOP got a sequel you guys think it should be turn-based?
forgot pic
no
No but I would like it if they went by each FF game.
That game isn't even close to being good
10 is alright, if you can ignore the shitty minigames/grindy postgame.
Final Fantasy XIV is as good as any of the classics (VI through X). If you disagree, you didn't play it.
The classic final fantasies are better than XIV
If you disagree, you didn't play them.
I don't have time to commit to a MMO
The classics were 30 hour games if you just did the main story, but could easily go to 100 hours if you level up to 99 and complete every sidequest. With that amount of time, you could finish the MSQ for every one of XIV's expansions.
Even comparing the two things shows you have no idea what you are talking about. MMOs are an entirely different genre from traditional jrpgs.
And yet this moment made me feel the same way I did finding out that Cloud was the Shinra soldier all along.
Allowing Sakaguchi to leave the company just because he made a shitty movie that the higher ups should have never greenlit to begin with.
FFXIV doesn't approach that kind of greatness until Shadowbringers, and I say this as someone who'd played since ARR's launch. While there were certainly some great moments beforehand, there were also too many story beats that effectively wienerteased the player for content that wouldn't be seen for YEARS. Guess it's worth it since the payoff was actually amazing, but god fricking damn that shit was frustrating to watch as it happened.
HW has some pretty kino moments.
never should have fired SakaGUCCI
ff9 > ff7 > ff10 > ff6 > ff8 > ff12 > ff13
After X they made an MMO. XI was the death sentence for FF because MMOs kill franchises, developers, and even audiences.
See Blizzard.
Correct. SE even admitted XI made them more money than all previous titles at the time, by a long margin. This likely populated their vision of how games should be going forward.
Also, most of the people who made the games people love (from chrono trigger to ffx) weren't in the company anymore after the merge with Enix and after FFXI.
When Hironobu Sakaguchi bet it all on trying to make a movie out of it. It didn't appeal to a majority of the series' fans and did little to bring new fans in. It also cost the studio north of 100 million which was an absurd budget for that kind of project at the time. Spirits Within performed terribly at the box office and Sakaguchi and some FF alumni team members left the company afterwards.
Hey I got a idea. Let's watch The Spirits Within. Maybe find a meme out of it. Better than watching Advent Children with a bunch of FFVII orbiters 24/7.
lol why did mods delete this? XIV is awful game and I feel bad for anybody ever being groomed into it. It's not even a MMO.
The mods and jannies unironically play XIV since it's a popular MMO, so they don't approve people shitting on it.
That's why XIV threads are allowed to shit up on Ganker than in /vg/.
Then this thread should not be on Ganker, since there is also a FFGeneral on /vg/
Just shut the frick up dumb nig
There's a difference between a normal FF thread and a thread that's filled with cultists whom keeps spamming threads about XIV.
Have you never noticed how it's basically /vg/ tier threads in XIV threads on this general?
>Ganker FF threads are worse then /ffg/
>even if the Stellagay spammer is already here
You are obsessed with xiv dude
>Frickin sphere docker's making a thread again
At least it's not another Fran gay acting like their forgotten
Its so sad. FF used to be a system seller and show the industry the way to go. Now? Its just chasing trends.
FF SoP came out last year, OP. What the frick are you talking about?
11 and 12 came after 10 you moron contrarian. End yourself
this game is a series of corridors, over two hours in and I am not having fun yet.
Okay zoomie.
This. A crafting system and a day and night cycle would've done this game wonders.
it kinda has crafting system though, also no guaranteed drops from bosses
the sphere grid? it seems cool but I haven't compeltely figured it out just yet.
>Okay zoomie.
you're just deflecting because you know I am right and cannot refute it.
does this game ever open up into bigger areas or am I going to just be going down paths and turning around to take different ones forever?
first time playing the game, and it's not fun yet, I'm over two hours in, does it ever become enjoyable? it's basically a movie that gets interrupted with player inputs.
>it's basically a movie that gets interrupted with player inputs.
That's every FF, you better quit the series now
FF4 wasn't a big DVD movie, and it shortly opened up into a big desert area with caves to check out
>and it shortly opened up into a big desert area with caves to check out
Those caves were the ONLY thing to "check out". It was a linear hallway game that only had one place to go for most of the runtime. The only different is the tileset you could grind random encounters on was wider.
being able to explore and find those caves of your own accord was enough to be enjoyable. FFX is literally connected hallways, you come in from one direction and you exit in the other direction. seriously
>opened up into a big desert area
99% empty
>with caves to check out
functionally no different from a corridor that branches, most areas only have 2-3 points of interest at best and you're eventually forced to go to them when the story tells you to and going to them early is pointless and even frequently blocked off arbitrarily
FF was always pretty lacking gameplaywise, basic as frick and railroaded beyond belief. I didn't notice until I played the gameboy FFs (renamed SaGa games) and despite being so primitive they were better in every way.
No, sphere grid is the levelling system. The crafting is that you can add passive abilities to weapons and armor (very useful if doing challenge runs)
oh well I haven't gotten that yet, they'll give a rundown later on in the game I reckon
It's pretty linear until endgame. I was mad about until I thought for a moment and realized that all FF games are essentially linear until endgame and the silly world map just exists to make you go from point A to point B while getting random encountered every 5 steps and you have zero freedom.
I swear most FF games get you into the overworld map and let you explore at your own pace very shortly into them. This is the first time I felt I am being shuttled from place to place, and each location is just a bunch of hallways you go down while cutscenes play out.
>I swear most FF games get you into the overworld map and let you explore at your own pace very shortly into them
You are wrong. Every FF game after the first one follows a linear path along a linear story, where you can only go from one story beat location to the next, with very few exceptions such as getting to a couple of towns early in 2 and 4. But even then, there is nothing for you but maybe equipment you can't afford yet.
Any "exploration" has been limited to some super bosses at the very end of the game right before the final boss, or a last minute chance to go back and get shit you missed.
This, only XI and XII were different, where XI doesn't really count as it is mmo. Why XIII was shitted on so much is because the linear hallways had literally no content, it was just battles and nothing else. Meanwhile the older games, especially X, is filled with content, lore and little branches.
Most of the FFS that came after this are better than it.
For me, it’s wandering flame (10 hour loop.
The story is stupid but it's a far better game
sucks about the Law System
i prefer the first one, couldn't finish A2. just didn't keep my interest
13-2 was great
13 is like when you take a really nasty big dump and then 13-2 is that little piece of McDonalds(tm) potato fry that did not digest completely.
When they tried pandering to the action rpg kingdom hearts DMC crowd.
Man, I fricking wish Final Fantasy had gone in the direction of Kingdom Hearts. At least the action gameplay would be GOOD instead of dogshit. Biggest mistake of FFXV was that it strayed away from the Kingdom Hearts-like gameplay that Versus was intended to have.
Also LO was kino and Blue Dragon wasn't bad either.
>Biggest mistake of FFXV was that it strayed away from the Kingdom Hearts-like gameplay that Versus was intended to have.
That's on Hajime Tabata, who fired the Tokyo Team. Nomura wanted to stay on but when I read that the intended market for 15 (casual fans and people who never play Japanese games) praised the simple combat system, I felt close to killing myself.
>That's on Hajime Tabata, who fired the Tokyo Team.
and wanted to make the game casual friendly
https://novacrystallis.com/2014/09/with-final-fantasy-xv-i-do-want-to-make-it-more-casual-says-tabata/
If you want my honest opinion, I think SE execs are more to blame than Tabata. He's not as good as Nomura, but he did direct Crisis Core and that was a pretty decent action RPG in its own right. Certainly miles better than FFXV.
Something I think everyone needs to realize is that FF has been a revolving door of directors and producers since the merger and yet the direction it's gone in has been relatively consistent. I think Yoshi-P probably would have made something more traditional if he could, and that all of these people throughout the years have been working under mandates from corporate because that's what they think westerners want.
>he did direct Crisis Core and that was a pretty decent action RPG in its own right. Certainly miles better than FFXV
Followed by T3B and T0, which were both sadly mediocre, especially compared to what the Osaka Team did and the younger Tokyo Team guys did when Nomura produced Dissidia.
Still better than FFXV. Square execs have a history of underestimating westerners, going back to the SNES days well before the merger.
>FFIV was dumbed down
>FFV didn't even make it out of Japan
>instead we got Mystic Quest
This rot infests the company deeper than any of us truly realize.
Don't forget that they fricked up the FF7 translation because they thought westerners wouldn't get it.
Westerners think they were chasing Sephiroth the entire game but thats not the truth you are really chasing JENOVA. And that Aerith also was a piece of JENOVA too. Western versions never got the twist.
But anyways I could go into detail but if you want to try FF7 with a proper translation look up "because" translation.
Excuse me... WHAT?
He's an idiot making up fanfiction and counting on anons not knowing Jap to check him, ignore him.
Nah it's true, if you play the BECAUSE translation you'd find out. Which is an accurate translation of the JP version.
Theres a summary here if you don't want to play I guess. But you'd be missing a lot.
https://pastebin.com/bWtvn5Df
>if you play the FANFICTION translation you'll see what we made up in place of the script
>it's totally more accurate... trust me (internet rando) 😉
>All the people who played the because translation are wrong
lol
lmao even.
Just say you're dumb westerners who wouldn't get the story.
It's a direct translation of the JP version. There is no fanfic lmao.
>All the people who played the because translation are wrong
All two of you? Yes, you are wrong.
Again:
>It's more accurate, just trust us!
The because translation is part of the largest FF7 mod for PC too.
But go off I guess.
>And that Aerith also was a piece of JENOVA too
nice fanfiction
he;s bullshitting you
I don't know about changing the story significantly but I can attest the writing in the translation is abysmal. Filled with awkward sentences, grammar mistakes and even stuff that sounds like outright nonsense. Wouldn't be surprised if what anon is saying was true.
The changing story is true,
It's why theres like a disconnect between 7 and Crisis Core.
>It's why theres like a disconnect between 7 and Crisis Core.
Such as?
Well a big one that should be a fed flag to you is that in CC it never once mentions a shitty cloning project like EN FF7.
That should be a fed flag in itself.
I know Aerith being a part of Jenova is fanfiction, because the Japanese would've had over two decades to tell us if she was. Now in the Remake her getting Jenova'd in the opening cutscene and then getting hounded by the Planet for it, I can see.
What's hilarious is that the entire JRPG genre was based on Wizardry and Ultima, which were both FAR more complex and difficult than anything Japan produced
It wasn't just the Tokyo Team. Versus was made by the Tokyo Team then Nomura got the Dirge of Cerberus Team to work on it, and then staff members from Ivalice/FF12 and The Last Remnant helped out until 2011.
Doesn't it bother you that all the people who liked 15 actually say it was good because it wasn't complex/'convoluted lmao' anymore?
>Doesn't it bother you that all the people who liked 15 actually say it was good because it wasn't complex/'convoluted lmao' anymore?
yeah. I was expecting SOME difficulty but I never got it, even on normal.
The shit gameplay is why I never got the DLCs or bothered with postgame content
Worse. People only talk about the characters and never the combat. Makes you wonder why mobages with banners and pulls are raking in dough even without serviceable gameplay. They even said KH2 is too hard because you have to keep track of more than three resources mid-battle.
Casuals never liked the gameplay part of video games did they. These people would only play FF if it has as much plot as nu-Zelda and the same gameplay as nu-Zelda at most. God help us all.
I almost spit out my drink when I saw the name of the latest FF mobage
People actually like this crap too........
I'm zero percent interested so I never checked it out but the ads looked horrendous, low budget mobile shovelware from 2010 tier. Expected something from Squenix to at least have production value.
Honest question could Versus as Nomura wanted be a financially successful game in 2011-2014?
>too dark for the Kitase fans
>too anime for Western game fans
>too chuuni for Matsuno fans
>too political for the normies
>too emotional for Gearbox fans
>too emo in general
I dunno. You tell me.
By 2011, probably
By 2014, no. Too much money put into development by then to ever recoup as a single AAA release. This is why it was passed off to Tabata, who was likely to be fired soon anyway for his continual frickups, and why it was cut up into pieces to be sold separately and israeliteed for all it was worth to try to soften the losses somewhat.
>By 2011, probably
Was the market for dark RPGs still there though? (I mean there probably was a market but) could it recoup development marketing costs and let Nomura finish his Versus trilogy?
Dunno but it sure did have huge amount of hype, had even own website just for tracking news and rumours (which seems to have died to webrot now)
A certain namegay said that Versus had to be turned into 15 if Square wanted to stay afloat, and his adherents also say that Nomura will still get his game anyway. 16, 7R, Stranger of Paradise and NEO TWEWY collectively hit similar notes to the original 'social commentary doujin soft Final Fantasy' that Versus 13 was going to be.
>'social commentary doujin soft Final Fantasy'
I don't know what you mean.
NTA but originally I came up with the qualifier of '2000s doujin software company' for Versus XIII. The game Nomura wanted to make was compared with Nitroplus/Ryukishi07 visual novels which were very popular around the time of Versus trailers dropping. Games by Nitroplus/Ryukishi07 are known for their bleak tone, edgy violence and dark stories with varying additions of political/social commentary (Steins;Gate and When They Cry especially have this) which is also what Nomura wanted to portray in Versus XIII but couldn't when he was replaced. Nomura thought all four writing devices were absent in previous FF games and so Versus was considered unprecedented even by hardcore fans.
>bleak tone, edgy violence and dark stories with varying additions of political/social commentary
I don't know why Nomura thought FF needed this or even /more/ of this. 10 was enough.
Versus was going to suck entirely because Nomura wanted an edgy game for emos that only know how to seethe, like his precious Stellagay.
>‘Nomura did not want Noctis to have a personality like Squall Leonhart or Cloud Strife, the respective protagonists of Final Fantasy VIII and VII, defining their personality type as that of “a silent, gloomy little boy”. Instead, Nomura wanted to create a realistic character type not seen in the Final Fantasy series before. Because of this, he was wary about him as he was so new to the series that he might fall “out of bounds”. Whereas previous protagonists did not have strong personalities to avoid interfering with player empathy, Nomura wanted Noctis to have “an overabundance of idiosyncrasy”, which was one of the ways he would leave an impression on the player. Nomura also wanted the character to have traits and perform actions that bore both heroic and villainous traits, creating someone akin to an anti-hero. He thought that these qualities would match the game’s themes very well. While naturally shy, Noctis hides this under a cold exterior, though his close friends can see through this.’
Aren't there rumors that Noctis by Nomura was just going to be Jack Garland
and yet Tabata threw all of this out
Nomura talks a big game but in the end he gave us Sora. The guy can't write. He can come up with cool ideas then saddle them onto somebody else to take the fall for when they actually suck. Tabata was just a scapegoat.
You do know that Yozora is actually Nomura coping and is the nu-Noctis
We did see Versus Noctis. He was in fact Jack Garland
>Nomura talks a big game but in the end he gave us Sora
who was still better than Noctis
>bleak tone, edgy violence and dark stories with varying additions of political/social commentary
Hey man FFT was great
Exactly. It was subversive. 5 is baseline FF, 9 and 10 are peak FF. FF needs to go the route of Ghibli meets Star Wars while covering Buddhist-Christian moral philosophy, not anything from Matsuno's fetish for ripped headlines or real world events.
>star wars
then you did not like ff12?
12 was a failure, not enough levity/shonen anime elements in the story.
The most shonen aspects of 9 and 10 were Zidane and Tidus’ character archetypes, of which Vaan is similar to. So 12 is as shonen is 9 and 10
NTA, but Vaan lacked the pivotal element of
>I'm actually KINDA the chosen one hehe
That Tidus (ghost) and Zidane (alien) had. He was an orphan peasant through and through.
moron
>Stellagay
I agree with him, 12 is better than 10.
The same Stellagay also says that Bravely Default 1 is better than FF10 and I agree entirely lmao
Stellagay? Who?
He was based beyond belief.
Don't be weird.
>Who?
>be a normal anon poster
>talk on this board like it's a phpBB forum in 2005
>discuss other Square RPGs and Xeno, and sometimes Sonic/SEGA games and Fire Emblem on the side
>someone won't stop comparing said RPGs unfavourably to FF15 and threatening other Nomura fans
>it's Barry
>try to reason with this person after he calls The World Ends With You a QTE game
>Barry won't change
>is somehow called based in TWEWY and Xeno threads
>expose a fake Versus leaker by entering his Discord
>out him as a Nazi
>get called the same name as the Nazi because they are associated with Versus
>begin namegayging
>Barry posts gorn and cp so jannies can quickly archive a thread
>they don't
>remind Barry a few days later he did that and asks him why he isn't in jail
>remind Barry he threatened to rape an FF fan who also likes Stella
>more bickering
>be so fed up with Barry's lies and slander against flawed but innocent Square Enix devs
>do an ungodly amount of research
>make a bunch of headcanon writeups
>post them a few times for fun before SoP and NEO launch
>gets excited for SoP and NEO
>fights Barry again
>realize Barry isn't worth it, and then fricks off
>but then says 7R needs a Gambit system because his favorite FF, FF12 used it to improve party AI before he disappears
>the headcanon writeups take off with a bunch of autists (like me, Stellagay's thoughts-anon) called the Whispers of Stellagay
>those same autists ruin discussion of the Gambit system
>FF16 is said to have political intrigue mixed with dark anime tropes
>this appeals to the namegay's tastes directly almost 1:1
>Tokyo Team involvement
>FF16 launches
>FF15 fans are shown to have the same opinions as Barry and hate 16
No wonder he doesn't post here anymore. You triggered him, Barry. You triggered Stellagay.
But Toriyama is subservient, Tabata excised, Nomura and Yoshida ascend, 7R gets Gambits, 16 is Versus 2.0, SoP is kino. In time, Stellagay won.
He must not be forgotten. I kneel for the namegay.
I said don't be weird. (You)
Because those games are fun.
Yes, but it's not Final Fantasy. No matter how hard you try to push it.
16*
Lost Odyssey is FF in all but name.
Sakaguchi at the helm, Nobuo for the music.
Was an amazing turn based rpg. FF should have gone in this direction and not trying to pander to Kingdom Hearts homosexuals.
I'd kill for a PC port or something. It is severely underated.
I agree with you, even though kingdom hearts 1 and 2 are good.
I never said they were bad, just that FF should stop trying to go after the KH ARPG crowd.
Keep them seperate.
Sure, it baffles me how their other ARPG games are completely shit compared to KH though.
>Sure, it baffles me how their other ARPG games are completely shit compared to KH though.
it's because they can't do action gameplay
Im with this guy.
Modern FF should have taken notes from Lost Odyssey.
I played it a few years ago and it really is dull. It's what people that haven't played classic FF think those games are like.
Still better than any square enix garbage, but that's not a high bar.
Enix
Worse merger ever
Reminder
https://vocaroo.com/19k0C4TUE70O
is there a native ffx port on pc? or is it emulation only?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/359870/FINAL_FANTASY_XX2_HD_Remaster/
But some people say the faces are bad, up to you though I don't really care as I used mods.
The HD remaster has good QoL changes, but they fricked up the models and rendering
Someones making a mod to fix the faces btw
https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasyxx2hdremaster/mods/162
still won't fix the lighting even if they manage to fix the animations
The arranged soundtrack is terrible with the sound mixing being all over the place and some instruments being drowned out by others.
the player characters all look significantly better, they should have redid all the npcs too.
if you are blind then yeah
just looking at the thumbnail and you can tell they're better, no need to watch that.
Spirits Within
Square WILL never make a game as great as Chrono Trigger again.
overrated baby game
stop being a basic b***h
The game is actually pure Soul. Maybe if you are too young to understand though.
You were too young when you played it to know any better
I actually replayed recently and it holds up. Unlike ff7.
>but anon why are they just standing there staring at each other?
>finally perfect turn-based FF and solve issues like unused party members and useless status ailments
>make an actual fantasy game for once that isn't a collection of generic tropes
>throw it in the trash and make soulless mmos and offline mmos with trash plots and trash characters
>forever
Haha thanks Square-Enix merger...
>functionally no different from a corridor that branches
you're so fricking disingenious. maybe your first PS2 game was FFX or something, but trying to poison the well and smear all FF games into this blurry 'its all the same' type shit is not the way, disgusting. fake
moron, I'm an actual old school FF grognard who disliked FF7-FF9, didn't even want to like X but was won over by it after I fished it out of a bargain bin with the sole intention to look for reasons to crap on it.
If you love walking around on empty tiles getting random encountered, great. You're functionally braindead and there's a billion shitty RPGmaker games to tide you over until armageddon. Enjoy your superficial world map.
>I'm an actual old school FF grognard who disliked FF7-FF9
Then you're a fake fan, disgusting.
>No Hironobu Sakaguchi
He was the guy that allowed squaresoft to survive and also unironically killed it
He was the one making good Final Fantasy
Without him, of course it all went to the drain
A shame that woudn't be true now because the guy is sucking off Yoshida every time he gets to.
How he decides to degrade himself, does not reflect what he produces, or produced
His version of FF was that what allowed the company to survive nintendo so long ago
Yoshida has genuine passion for Final Fantasy and would probably make something closer to the classic games if SE execs would allow it.
Hew was given free reign of XVI and turned it into a DMC clone with shitty game of thrones writing.
Its only GoT at the beginning
I liked TSW. It gets shit on unfairly for being given the FF name
for some reason, they started listening and trying to appeal to the westoids who hated the series
For publicly traded corporations, it is not enough to just make a lot of money. They have to make MORE money every year, or else the shareholders can literally fire the CEO for not making their numbers go up enough. This drives them to seek the most and easiest profit such as scams like NFTs and desperately chasing trends that seem to be selling better than them
The issue with Square is that they were setting trends in the 90s and now they are chasing it. Worst part, they can't even decide on which trend to chase. Their games reek of indecision and lack of direction, just trying to appeal to different demographics without a clear plan
Their issue is they keep making fundamentally bad games with needlessly tortured dev cycles but they still keep getting paid in full for it because brand recognition and cup o noodles collabs
Its like ever since they signed away their soul to survive the Spirits Within, they've become magically immune to consequences
the needlessly tortured dev cycles and bad games are imo a byproduct of lack of clear direction. They have no idea what they are doing since the 00s but like you said, have been saved by brand recognition.
Reading about it is crazy to me, they deliberately sabotage their own dev cycles, sometimes when the game is almost done and make the game twice as expensive to develop. And they keep doing it.
They accidentally make a surprise hit like Nier Automata and immediately send the director to mobage purgatory and ruin the IP by whoring it to literally anyone and don't do anything else with it.
Just crazy.
9 sucked bro
X was literally perfect. How do you top that? They can't.
By not having a cringy MC
Even the emo MC from the middle games were not as cringy as him
Don't get this meme, what's so cringy about tidus? Seems to behave and act as expected by his back story. They got even the "appear in completely different world" vibe right.
Not even remotely close to Tidus' personality. I was right. You're cringe incarnate. Based Tidus ousts another one.
Tidus is the Eren of FF
>Both are whiny homosexuals
>Both have girlboss love interests emasculating and humiliating them
>Both have sidekicks obsessed with the ocean and both of these sidekicks get underdeveloped with the busty ice queen
>Both have mentor figures with one-liners (muh story/ muh regrets)
>Both don’t end up with their cute blonde midget friends, of which they have better chemistry than their love interests
>Both have chad dads that banged multiple women
>Both have their decapitated corpses defiled by their love interests
>Both got cucked by their love interests
>Both had pointless sacrifices
Wow. You've never played X, have you? And still you say all of this stupid shit. Eren and Tidus are nothing alike, you absolute moron. Fricking cringe. How Tidus keeps drawing you queers out I'll never know.
Eren and Tidus are the only characters I know of that get decapitated, followed the their love interests raping their corpse
Have you considered actually experiencing media firsthand instead of absorbing shoddy memes and wiki pages just so you can participate with the big boys?
>Tidus gets beheaded by a bomb, Yuna fricks her corpse
>Mikasa decapitates Eren, kisses his head and then fricks off away from her crew with only Eren’s head
This is literally what happens
Yes maybe in that novel, but we are talking about FFX, the sequels are unrelated
prove it
Once you stop being a homosexual you should really check out X. It's the greatest FF game by a mile. AoT was pretty good too, but X has it beat.
>AoT was pretty good
I hope this is bait
NTA but it actually was pretty good up to the last arc. I say that as someone who adamantly refused to even try it until real late. Knowing what Eren would seem to become late in the manga really enhanced the experience, because you can see lots of red flags in his behavior. Dude killed at a young age without a single regret.
But then that last arc did happen, and completely went back on his character, and it was kinda shit. An otherwise good series that flubbed the landing so hard that the most hardcore are still coping to this day.
Nah he still had mandates from higher up to work around. He might be SE's current golden child but he still can't circumvent the company culture.
The issue is the ending fricking over the early part of that series. Absolutely every scene with Eren and his mom is a joke now. Then you get morons that post shit like this
Get the frick over it already, Historiahag, Yuna is way better than your useless queen
>Centuries long race war perpetuates a never ending cycle of misery and horror
>numerous young people get caught up in it
>one kid eventually enacts worldwide genocide because he believes it to be the only way
>fails, tensions remain, everybody is miserable, nobody is happy, life sucks, war sucks, humans will always be this way with only brief vigils of peace
You manga homosexuals should be grateful your medium produced a decent piece of literature for once.
There are plenty of decent manga, SnK is not one of them.
Ganker liked it only because it went full /misc/ at the end.
then again Ganker likes garbage
>you should really check out X. It's the greatest FF game by a mile.
god damn does this series suck balls
>he was filtered by FFX
Bro just stop, this is sad even if its anonymous
Reminder this one is a Historia roastie selfinsert still mad at eren not choosing useless Historia
Tidus and Yuna love story was real, unlike your EH
Tidus is a litmus test. If you think he's cringe, you're cringe. Sorry, anon. Tidus is literally the greatest FF protag.
Tidus is great, you should actually play the game or just shut the frick up
>X was literally perfect. How do you top that? They can't.
what a worthless series, lol
best turn based FF: FFX
best action FF: KH2FM
button mashing is the pinnacle of video games
The fact that SE still can't understand what people want from a FF says it all.
Heres a tip.
When I want to play FF I want to play an epic rpg with 4 homies in a line setting up parties and jobs.
It's not that fricking hard. But no they have to reinvent the wheel every iteration.
If they do that you will find another reason to complain like you have been doing since ff7
Ff9r is going to expose a lot of you of being just mere doomposters
Only people that are crying would be the Kindgom Hearts homosexuals.
tendies*
>The fact that SE still can't understand what people want from a FF says it all.
Do they even care?
I'm serious
The problem with final fantasy games is they appeal to nobody these days. They don't appeal to action fans, don't appeal to rpg fans, don't appeal to people who want a mature story, don't appeal to people who want an innocent story, don't appeal to western or japanese fans, don't even appeal to weebs anymore. The games are a chimera of borrowed ideas, each one meant to chase different trends, and in the end no focus or personality at all.
They should take a risk and try to do their own thing. That's how the titles which gave their company power, like chrono trigger and ff7, came about. Automata was a step in the right direction but it really needs more of that.
Funniest is the ff7r commercial where they go full on nostalgia bait and then give us time jannies lol
>When I want to play FF I want to play an epic rpg with 4 homies in a line setting up parties and jobs.
how many times do you think you can replay the old games before you're marooned with boredom?
This was one of the few games i just dropped before reaching the end, the only fun fight was Yunalesca, and I think it was only fun because of how comically underleveled I was since I was just skipping everything out of sheer boredom.
>I play FF for the highly tuned challenging white-knuckle gameplay
Wow I'm impressed dude you sound like a super skilled gamer elite
The problem wasn't the gameplay, I played FFVI right before and enjoyed it a lot, I just found the world dull, it felt a lot like FFXIII, which is weird because FFX seems to be well liked while one of XIII main complaints is the corridor level design.
I didn't play FFXIII because someone gave a quick synopsis of the plot and it made me want to nuke Japan a third time
>FFVI
opinion discarded
stop using summons
ffx has the best love story I've ever played in a game. I just recently replayed it and damn it gets me every time. there are multiple times in that game that make me cry. this time I played it a part that really got me is when tidus plays the sphere that yuna made saying goodbye to everyone.
God damn, they truly don't make games like they used to.
I regret playing FFX-2
me too. I actually got it the day it came out but could never beat it because it was so offensive. last year I finally buckled down and finished it and my God that game is honestly such a pile of shit.
I can't believe what they did to yuna. completely destroyed her character. I'm so glad that it didn't ruin x for me, I just don't even think about. x is the perfect game and maybe even my favorite game of all time.
if they ever make x-3 I probably won't play it. I just don't want to play the slop anymore. I'd rather just revisit yuna and tidus and the gang on their adventure to save spira.
>People wanted FF7 but remade
>Instead get a shitty action RPG crap with a changed story.
Mr Bones I want to get off your wild ride please.
I understand complaining about the time jannies but are you really moronic enough to want the same shitty DVD menu "combat" again?
Yes.
Thats what I and quite a lot of people wanted.
Theres proof when you see the announcement got tonnes of hype but when the gameplay and release came it fricking fell off hard and had shit sales to boot.
People want an in tact FF7 remake with it being just like the original in gameplay.
You're delusional
>You're delusional
Anon I think you are delusional here.
Right before FF7R actually announced there was so much hype and rumours and stuff around Final Fantasy 7 getting a Remake.
But well as you can see after the gameplay videos and release it did very poorly which is weird given how much many people keepo saying FF7 is the best FF game etc.
No one wants this shitty 3D ARPG split into 3 fricking games for no good fricking reason other than to israelite you further with the story now being completely different and nothing like FF7s original story. They wanted FF7 but with HD graphics. Think FFXIII graphic fidelity but FF7.
The original hasn't gone anywhere, you can still play it. The whole point of a remake is to make things better, which includes replacing shitty boring 4-homies-in-a-row combat from the NES days with something that's actually fun.
I think you forget to realise this was around the time of the FFX and I think XII remasters.
People saw FFX and FFXII get a new lick of paint with some QOL added in etc and thats what people wanted with FF7.
Not this boring ARPG that no one ever asked for.
>People saw FFX and FFXII get a new lick of paint with some QOL added in etc
And they got something way better. People should be happy, and a lot of them are, but then there are contrarians like (You) that are nostalgic for the worst aspects of the original game.
Why do you have such nostalgic reverence for such shitty combat? Does selecting "Attack" over and over while the enemy patiently waits to get hit really stimulate your brain that much? Let it go. The franchise has finally evolved past that, which it should have done 20 years ago, and it's better for it.
>IT'S BETTER BECAUSE I SAY SO
Everytime. Weird how turn based games like Persona, Yakuza, Baldurs Gate 3 can sell amazingly and still be turn based.
Fricking Yakuza of all franchises started off as a beat em up and now has Turn Based gameplay and still do good.
>IT'S WORSE BECAUSE I SAY SO
>GAME SELL GOOD MEAN TURN BASED GOOD
Yes, because mouthbreathers liek you continue to push the narrative of "turn based is ancient and should be phased out with action rpg." and yet these games come out and do very well sales wise compared to some of these new "action rpg" titles showing people don't think that and people still want turn based.
You can cope now.
>people eat at mcdonalds, therefore it must be better than michelin star restaurants
>food anology
Every time.
>sell amazingly
Persona 5 took 3 years to break 3m sales
Yakuza still hasn't broke 3m
Idk about BG3
mediocre action keeps outselling the "best" turn based games. Turn based is being hard carried by Pokemon lol
>Turn based is being hard carried by Pokemon lol
And let's not forget Pokèmon is entirely carried by branding and nostalgia. They literally put a turd with a pikachu on top, called it Scarlet and Violet and it sold 20 gorillions copies. Pokègays don't give a shit about anything other than collecting the monsters and only autistic smogongays care about the combat.
Yakuza for the memes
Persona and bg3 for the social links
and there's plenty of braindead button mashers with gud gfx, go play those
Plenty of braindead DVD menus for you too, knock yourself out
>intro
>Cloud is called Cloud instead of Ex-SOLDIER
thats like calling Raiden, Raiden from the start of MGS2 and not "Snake"
Nostalgiagays are boring
Give me puppet Tifa kino
and stay off, fake fan.
Threadly reminder that if you don't like XIV or XVI, you don't like Final Fantasy.
Ok falseflagger
What a sad post.
Fricking was obsessed with FFX in 12th grade. I obliterated Blitzball and everyone did 99,999 dmg and had 99,999hp. Could I replay it now? Unfortunately, I would need to get back into weed. I don't have the patience anymore.
Also loved the story.
I played the remake a while back and told myself that I would get all the celestial weapons. I don't know if I'm just old now or if the remake changed something, but I couldn't dodge 200 lightning bolts anymore.
I would like to travel back in time and introduce myself to the boy who had the patience to do that. I also collected all the celestial weapons back in my PS2 days. That's so unrealistic now. Now I can only play games like Hades.
>0 bad games
>1 game saving the company
>2 mainline FF masterpieces under his wing
>3 business units overshadowed
>4 massively successful expansions
How does Yoshi-P do it? The Final Fantasy silver age has begun, no matter how much Barry cries and shits himself over it.
>Meanwhile in the real world:
FFXVI sales are shit
Weird. Sorry the DMC combat puts me off the game.
Square Enix called the sales VERY SATISFYING, esl Black person moron.
Unlike your favorite Flopspoken, XVI was a massive success. Square Enix has zero reason not to be honest with this. Leviathan DLC that shows Clive living in a farm with Jill soon.
Yeah it was so satisfying when they announced it didn't hit their targets it caused the companied stock to drop.
So satisfying, lets just also forget it dropped in sales by 90% after 1st week.
Here from a PS shill website so you can't say I am being biased.
http://web.archive.org/web/20230807112839/https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/08/square-enix-bafflingly-backtracks-on-final-fantasy-16-sales-blames-slow-ps5-adoption
About 35 years ago when they made the first turn based video game for kids too dumb for DnD.
What's with this weird obsession with trying to forcibly homogenize everything including old games you clearly don't give a shit about
Narcissists should be rounded up and put in a camp
The same turn-based garbage combat that's been in Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest and many, many other games since the 80s is far more homogenous than the objectively vastly superior action gameplay of 7R. Cope, seethe and have a nice day, moron.
>It's superior because I said so
>it's not superior because I said so
Button mashers have been around for just as long bro, again why are you so obsessed with this
Are you one of those spiritual stakeholders
>generic turn-based slop GOOD
>anything involving actual gameplay BAD
7R combat has infinitely more depth and sophistication than selecting attack from a menu. Cope.
Final Fantasy has fallen.
For some reason Square is TERRIFIED of making a final fantasy game that isn't some gimmicky bullshit.
FF is the daddy of the 4 homies in a row genre but for some reason they haven't made one such game in over a decade.
When they do, it's not a FF game (Octopath, Bravely Default) or a spinoff (4 heroes of light).
In fact their output has slowed down to a crawl which doesn't help. There's been only 6 FF games released in the last 20 years, 2 of them are MMOs, three of them are third person action games, and FF13 is the only one that's turn based.
>wtf universal is the king of black and white movies why are all their new ones in color?
Before you got hyper sperg, what does Dogbower even do? Is the sweat supposed to mean he's a water mon?
>Barry stays silent long after someone posts his Digimon
Kek
Hallway Moviegame X