tl;dr, valve has a policy where if you sell it on steam, you cant sell it elsewhere for cheaper, so that ea games and anyone else with a store front (coughtimmycough) doesnt just put their games on steam for 100$ and mention on the store page its only 60$ on their own website.
strangely, instead of matching the prices, egs decided for whatever reason to just come close. so everything egs is selling discounted, is discounted and cheaper on steam. egs is calling steam a monopoly, while voluntarily charging its own users more for the same games.
>sell game on steam,and your own website >steam copies are steamkeys, the copies you sell are installers
this is fine >sell game on steam and your website >both versions are steamkeys
this is also fine >sell game on steam and your website >both versions are steamkeys, except the website versions are half the price
this is not fine
its not hard to understand
7 months ago
Anonymous
so your saying, if said key installers, advertise on steam, that they have cheaper prices, bypassing all the services, worhtless or not, its cool. just checking.
7 months ago
Anonymous
yes thats how it works. if you aren't selling steam keys you can set the price however you like
7 months ago
Anonymous
sorry im im a bit out there, im not sure what my argument was
This is pure bullshit. Humble bundle, gmg, fanatical and other legal key sellers all had way lower prices than steam, both during sales and launch times. Frick off timmy
This is true but EGS is a complete dogshit competition. Free games and exclusives aren't going to save them when simple stuff like a cart feature take literal years to get added. They need to actually do better or someone else needs to put their foot in the ring.
The point of having a cart is to bundle all the games you're getting in one purchase. Cause otherwise you'll have your card getting several charges all within a few minutes, which can and did result in the card getting locked down until you call you bank to unlock it.
It's also just like, imagine a grocery store without any carts or baskets. Sure, you're not getting that much, but they can't even provide one of the basic, universal services all the other stores can? That's just a bad look.
EGS can't do better, because they are fundamentally approaching this from a perspective that you, as a game buyer, don't understand.
EGS is considering the game developers and publishers their customers, not you. You're just a product which they are trying to stock up on to sell to the publishers and developers.
>EGS is considering the game developers and publishers their customers
moronic ARGUMENT
If that was true then Timmy should concentrate on selling Unreal Engine and dev tools and not setting up a storefront for game end-users.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Do you not see their rhetoric? Nothing they ever say is about the people who buy games. Everything Tim and EGS ever say is how their store is better for developers and publishers and how Steam is the raw deal for them.
7 months ago
Anonymous
they did anon, they fricking purpose built the new UE for toddlers to make skins and game modes for fortnite.
>Reduce prices
That's not something Steam can do very much,it comes down to the publishers who allow them to discount things or not. Steam did come up with the whole modern "sale is not just the shitty old stuff from years ago on ashelf at GameStop,but instead massive saving on new, recently released,oreven pre-launchedtitles" dynamic. >Improve their services
They've been doing that in some of the only ways that actually benefit users compared to nearly every other vendor . All their FOSS stuff, Linux support, Community features, Workshop, Guides etc... are all added not because they were afraid of some competitor as most 1st or 3rd party vendors weren't even fricking trying to do anything be except "We've got the games, you'll pay. Frick the rest".
Everything timmy has done on the other side has been against this, against players, adding to lock-in, lack of features, proprietary bullshit, outright hate for FOSS and Linux simply because Steam supports them and more; I haven't even gotten to the damage of Fortnite and the shitty stuff with Unreal Engine or EasyAntiCheat - and then he blamed everyone else. >WAAAAA Apple and Google are being unfair that I can't use their store to market my stuff and then avoid following their rules >WAAAAH Steam is a meanie bo beanie and people actually want to use their store and its not fair! >WAHHHH Sony is the reason we can't lower prices the way we claimed even though they just gave us a just frickload of investment to save our ass as Tencent decided to tell us to frick off
Every time he cries and blames someone else he gets smacked down in the courts and rightly so. Frick him sideways for everything he has brought to PC gaming since the Epic Store . Its sad, Epic COULD have focused on their engine and made bank supporting everyone on everyplatform but the greed ruined it.
>simply because Steam supports them
This is the funniest fricking part. I love watching Epic do things based purely on the contrarianism of seeing Valve not do it under the impression they're cornering a market that Steam isn't doing and it just turns out to be fricking terrible business, you can take one fricking look at the blockchain/NFT games that are on EGS, remember that one of the biggest 'features' of EGS was that it was curated and was supposed to have quality control so cheap asset flips and literal scams didn't end up on the platform, and laugh.
Exactly. Oldgays from the Unreal Tournament era may have remembered how Epic COULD have spent their time basically focused on their engine, licensed it to everyone on every platform, and not bothered to frick around with trying to run a store. They would have been beloved if they did it and supported it well - hell they even made the support for UE4 and 5 for Linux (and things like Easy Anti Cheat) LESS capablesimply because of their sour grapes (admittedly, EAC didn't work at all with Proton/Wine until Valve basically stomped over and convinced them that so many of their license holders would frick off if they didn't bother and even then they couldn't just made it work, they had to have a parting tantrum where the dev needs to flick a specific "do not freak out on Proton/Wine" flag for the game so they could claim that developers were not doing it etc.
Even during the Fortnite years they could have released it on Steam (and iOS, and Android) and anywhere else and made it clear that people would throw money at them for that god awful abortion (putting aside the battle royale garbage , FOMO, expensive skins, exclusive battle passes etc) and they'd get users from every store or platform onboard, free advertising etc.... but no, their greed meant they couldn't see the millions actually coming in, all they could fixate on was "but but what if we got all of them to only download through our site and we didn't need to give a cut to anyone else!" which has shot them in the dick in multiple ways. Its stupidity of the highest order thanks to always thinking the invisible line could go up more.
EGS has turned into a complete shovelware dump ever since they released self publishing. At least Steam has somewhat decent filtering options.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The Epic Store won't accept crappy games
Bro, your entire catalogue of exclusive??
7 months ago
Anonymous
>That pic
Don't they let blockchain bitcoin shit in the store? And majority of them are scams.
7 months ago
Anonymous
They were initially against it, but the second Valve comes out with a public statement announcing a ban on crypto games, Timmy Tencent smells an opportunity to be the contrarian option for "cool guy points" or whatever and slithers out of the woodwork to immediately have Epic make a counter-announcement that crypto games are hip and cool and welcome on their store.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>that pic >refuses 18+ content >wonder why nobody uses your service
The most profitable platforms are always the ones who allow porn. Big corpos will never admit this because of PR, but it's always been true and they know it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
this is the whole story of epig, stand up and act like you have principles then change your tune when you need money. Their store is filled with garbage and a handful of exclusives, most of which is now on steam since they can't afford exclusives anymore. They only thing we're really missing is kingdom hearts.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's a wonder people aren't flocking in droves to the egs to buy quality titles like Treasure of the Giantess or Maze Horror
Didn't tim say he wanted the standard quality of games on the egs to be higher or something?
Ahh, THERE it is. Yeah I remembered he said something to that effect.
7 months ago
Anonymous
EGS is actually taking in games from devs Steam removed for selling blatant asset flips.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Won't accept crappy games
Is thwt why they make Gearbox and Remedy shit EGS exclusive?
>otherwise they have no incentive to reduce prices
That's not their problem though, it's the developer's choice to reduce prices. You can't blame valve for the prices.
No they can't.
Early on epic run a (christmas I think) sale, where they discounted more than their cut, losing money on games. Several publishers delisted their games from egs because epic didn't ask them.
Price is part of brand perception and you don't want the store changing it on their own
No, but there's popular ones.
And next year it's going to get a jumpstart from Call of Duty and Blizzard's paypigs, the most abuse-hungry slave army in the world
Funny thing is gamepass started getting popular around the time Epic jumped into the market
I wonder how much it fricked growth and user spending since you could get it for so cheap
>competition >literally doesn't work on PC arbitrarily because the app has moronic dependencies that never install right or stay installed
You stupid mother fricker. At least EGS can install a fricking game. Gaypass can'.
7 months ago
Anonymous
If they literally just made an actual service that wasn't reliant on the bizarre ass Win10 legacy shit, I might actually try it. But why on earth would I ever try a service that could bork my harddrive and OS, requiring a full reinstall? Even if it's just a chance, that's completely insane.
>Steam needs the competition
Of course but the moron trying to build it is not looking out for consumers and what is worst, he is not even that good at building a monopoly.
Steam has had "competition" since origin, Ubishit and gamepass became distinct seperate platforms on PC for games.
Steam is just completely superior.
Steam's prices are also VERY good. Every single fricking year I can pick up great games in sales for up to 90% off. Steam only provides the platform, it doesnt influence prices at all.
IF EGS wasnt complete dogshit to use i'd be much more inclined to use it.
>Steam needs the competition, otherwise they have no incentive improve their service
Black person in 2023 alone, Steam released improved controller integration support and a customizable news screen to tailor what games can be recommended when you log in and whether you want to see news of updates or patches or DLC. What did Epic release? You literally need to use Steam to run controller support on an EGS game.
>What did Epic release?
A better anticheat for fornite so linux users can't play it. Better VM detection so people who is security conscious can't play it either.
Steam had plenty of competition without EGS, moron. Itch, GOG, and the fact that any company can just sell their game themself because PC is an open platform.
The literal best selling game of all time came out in the Steam era as a primarily PC game and ditched storefronts entirely to do its own thing. There’s your fricking competition.
>free games >on a client with no features run by a homosexual who said outloud that he hates me
I'd rather spend the money and just get it on steam or gog.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>with no forums
Good. >I rather buy it to get forums
gamefaqs has forums for free, idiot.
and you aren't getting banned on there for LGBTQP+ violations like on Steam.
7 months ago
Anonymous
If I have to launch an EGS game through steam just to get controller support working it means EGS is a piece of shit that can suck my wiener.
You will NEVER, EVER win over consumers by trying to force them onto your platform with 3rd party exclusivity deals. Whatever platform is going to compete with steam, it isn't EVER going to be EGS.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>NEVER >EVER
Cope Steamie, while I enjoy the free games that you beta tested for me.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>life worse >free games
Choose one
If I wanted them for free Its literally faster to just pirate the game then install a epic account download the launcher install the launcher login find the game then add it to my library then install it. Only a tech illiterate moron would waste time installing EGS to download a free game. Its telling that the only positive you can give EGS is it give you free shit. I hate to break it to you steam and Gog do that on occasion as well and both are infinitely better platforms I would actually see having a reason to use over just pirating it.
Steam has competion Its just not Epic seriously all epic wants to do is become a monopoly Its why they do everything give away free shit and pay for exclusives. Seriously If you want to support competion over steam go to gog or itch.io or any of the other steam competitors that are actually putting effort into making a good platform.
It's a shame the egs fell flat on its fricking face basically right out the gate, and hasn't really recovered since. Wonder if it would've fared better with someone else at the helm.
>epic is like Valve
No, they aren't.
Fortnite shows that.
they could frick over people like Valve does
They could not update and add ne content, like Valve does.
But they do the opposite of what Valve would be doing.
Steam was offering frequent and high % sales before Timmy or the other gays showed up.
The funniest part about all of these PC storefronts is that for their entire existence, Steam has done nothing in response to them. Everything Steam does is because the knuckleheads at Valve wanted to.
Well that and it wasn't offering 90% of PC releases from first couple of years either, that happened over time. Most devs were still doing direct sale for a bit.
>to reduce prices
Price is set by publishers, anon. Steam has no involvement in price besides asking for basic price parity(to prevent bad actors from using Steam as free advertisement for other stores, like EGS did at some point) >improve their service
That is cool, but you have to point out when EGS did improved their services. As you can notice, despite EGS and GOG not improving their services at all, Steam still improves own services and gets better.
>He just wishes he had complete power over PC the way gabe does
It is nothing more than that, at night he thinks, what have the fat weirdo done to be so loved and have so much success? what does he have that I don't? I'm the better coder!
The funniest one was where he aggressively tried to take over PC gaming and failed, then came up with the idea to make the Epic Game Store a place where you could buy games for other platforms.
You mean the guy who told everyone on PC to frick off, called them all pirates, and said all the money was on consoles, took his ball and went home? Yeah, a real consumer interested selfless hero.
I mean the guy who was offering the only multi-platform engine with true native support for all platforms in the 2000s and early 2010s. Keep gaslighting valvegay.
If he put as much effort into the EGS as he did the unreal engine we would not be having this discussion but instead he put no effort into it and just gives away free shit to make it look like people actually use the platform for anything other then fortnite.
Unreal, besides being arguably the most advanced engine on the market, is one of the best. Indiegays and small studios are just too dumb to use C++ which can be up to 20x faster in tight micro workloads than blueprints. Depending on how CPU bottlenecked your hardware and how intensive your game logic is a pure C++ game implementation can be anywhere from 20% to 200% faster in practice. That said Fortnite runs great and they still use blueprints
I am not disagreeing with you on that at all I am just saying If he put as much effort into making his storefront good as he did unreal maybe people would give a shit about his platform. Instead he seems focused on trying to force people to use the piece of garbage by giving them free games and exclusivity deals.
>Fortnite runs great and they still use blueprints
That's because UE since 4 is built heavily around blueprints, and the best scenario is a mix of C++ and blueprints. While some tasks can only really be done with C++ or are better with it, blueprints really won't be a major bottleneck unless your moronic. Blueprints are much faster to work with and the conversion to C++ doesn't provide a lot of uplift on a good number of things for the amount of work you put in.
Tim literally said outloud "frick consumers, I'm going to appeal to publishers instead and they won't have a choice". That is literally his mission statement for EGS and it shows.
>You mean the guy who told everyone on PC to frick off, called them all pirates, and said all the money was on consoles, took his ball and went home? Yeah, a real consumer interested selfless hero.
Tim is just an arsehole who hates Linux because he can't back down an argument.
>He's just giving the entire market some horrible ideas, but luckly they failed
The foundation of his EGS empire is nothing but a game designed to exploit children and to make things worse is a worse version of the game he stole the ideas from.
So long as Gabe isn't dead, yes.
Unironically yes.
I'd absolutely prefer a benevolent monopoly over a shit moronic greedy competitive market, like the one currently destroying gaming.
>implying Steam hasn't destroyed PC gaming
Right now Valve tries to destroy console gaming, by literally advertising their shit as a way to illegally play Switch games
>everything should be a digital download with always online DRM, locking you out of your devices
Frick off, moron.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>meanwhile sony has DRM locked disc drives for the PS5
7 months ago
Anonymous
>DRM locked disc drives
lmao
What is that even supposed to mean?
7 months ago
Anonymous
you MUST connect your PS5 to the internet and have it authenticated through snoy to use the disk drive. And IIRC the authentication only lasts for a few months, then you MUST re-authenticate again.
7 months ago
Anonymous
so Snoy is copying Valve
Who cares anyway, it's Snoy.
Only a moron would buy anything from them after PS3.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Disc drives for the PS5 that literally will not work until you connect them to the internet and register it to your account and PS5
7 months ago
Anonymous
>you need to connect DISC DRIVES to the internets
So similar to what Valve has been doing for 20 years.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Tell your homosexual devs to sell you a physical copy. >always online DRM
Using Steam DRM is a choice the DEVS make when putting a game on steam.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
There are hundreds of games that launch without steam open.
For example I can launch BG3 directly from the executable without steam even popping up. >but you need to be online to download the game!
Yes
Once
Then you slap it on an external and hoard it forever.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>There are hundreds of games that launch without steam open.
Irrelevant, you need always online DRM to download+install them in the first place
kys, shill
there are no DRM free games on Steam, because Valve doesn't allow direct downloads via web browser, like GOG does.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Again that's on your homosexual devs.
I can get factorio straight from the creators website and stick it on a USB (which I have done before)
Your shitty purchase habits are on YOU not steam.
Maybe try supporting devs that give you multiple choices instead of selling to one fricking store.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>straight from the creators website
So not from Steam, got it. >it's you
I'm not subscribing to shit on Steam, are you mentally moronic?
Steam is always online DRM, there are no DRM free games on Steam, it's literally impossible because Valve are a bunch of greedy parasites.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Buy your game from a different store homosexual >but it's not there
Then it's a shit game from a shit developer
7 months ago
Anonymous
are you moronic?
I'm not subscribing to shit on Steam, because Steam sucks.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not talking about steam homosexual
But your game from a different storefront or from the devs themselves.
Because timmy screams monopoly at any company he sees is standing in his way of dominance, and Microsoft (for now) isn't one of them so their monopoly is ok
Specifically because Valve has made Linux and FOSS their thing. Its literally "Oh you breathe air? Well frick you, I'ma breath water how do you like that I'm not a cuck like you air breathers" situation, drowning in an inch of their own piss instead of admitting whomever they're annoyed at may have a good idea.
>make a worse service in every way. Even 2000s Steam was better than EGS.
He's a dumb c**t that needs to fire all the pajeet EGS programmers and designers right now.
Steam needs the competition, otherwise they have no incentive to reduce prices and improve their service
Not all monopolies are bad, also Steam constantly adds shit and improves their platform. Several indie devs owe their success to Gaben, Timmy is just trying to farm shekels for the CCP and horde more TV remotes.
Steam needs the competition, otherwise they have no incentive to reduce prices and improve their service
If tim hates monopolies so much, >Why won't he let Fortnite run on Linux to combat microsoft's monopoly? Why has he additionally outright said it's like "moving to canada"?, >Why does he MONOPOLIZE games to his store with exclusivity deals? >Why does he make reviews opt in? "Professional" publications who have demonstrated in the past to be untrustworthy have a monopoly on reviews without user reviews. >Why does he want to show up now, once valve already took a risk and built a PC market, after previously saying that PC and that consoles are better? >Why does he not acknowledge GOG? He clearly knows about itch io since epic bought itchio, which by the way, buying itch is pretty monopolistic.
Most of all >Why do we have to hear epic shills trying to FUD steam forever till the end of time even though people repeatedly state the reasons they won't go to epic and use steam/GOG instead only to get ignored? He sure is acting like a monopoly does, where they think their money wiener is big enough now to ignore user feedback, after all, "Publishers decide the store wars, not customers" - Tim's own words.
Nobody's buying it, both literally and figuratively, that's why there's articles stating that even with fortnite money epic is not profitable. Maybe if they spent time improving their service instead of paying shills to whine on Ganker they'd get somewhere.
Because Tim is selective on who he deems a monopoly, he targets Steam and mobile because he wants his store to be the big fish in town making billions being the middleman because it loosely relates to his dream of making a fortnite metaverse
Too bad, he doesn't get a fricking participation trophy just because he and a bunch of people that were hired by epic whine endlessly about steam on the internet.
I would have given epic a chance back in the day when it was starting out and epic was just first trying their hand at this whole storefront thing if instead of getting hardcore buttmad about other stores they let the quality of their own speak for itself through updates. Instead, we have endless assmad from Tim about valve, an Unreal Tournament franchise that no longer exists outside of fricking piracy, a storefront that pisses people off and took 3 years to add something as simple as a god damn shopping cart, and a CEO that so frequently displays how much of a fricking hypocrite he is that even fricking moron normalgay redditors who normally are so stupid they unironically go to bat for disney could see it and made "r/TimCriticizesTim" just to document all the hypocrisy.
It's amazing how the last few years of aggressive behavior and Tim being a moron online and in the courtroom has turned any topic surrounding Epic into a garbage fire
if you guys think 30% is bad for videogames
just wait until you find out how much your local grocer is israeliteing you
regularly 30% on items that you MUST have in your kitchen if you want to eat anything
frozen, specialty, and prices during holidays were extra bad
and these fricks would regularly plead with the gov't for more free EBT money while then complaining about their workers wanting to be paid more
what they failed to realize was that the reason they were getting shit workers and uppity nignogs as cashiers who would fail to show up half the time was because they were paying like shit
you pay shit wages
you get shit workers
but they didn't care because they got free money from the gov't via EBT
so the next time your local grocer b***hes about walmart ask them why they aren't running a tighter ship so they can have better prices like walmart
>FF7R >Released several months later on PC >Released exclusively on EGS at the time >$70 and shit at launch
Thank you for the 12% cut, Tim, really helped
He is trying to fight steam with unhealthy competition and Timmy, like the moron he is, tries to take the moral ground by suing literally everyone for their cut they take from creators. Its like having a corrupted politician yelling how corrupted his peers are. Highly hypocritical.
Unironically, only AI slop and NFTshit games are EGS future
But the real comedy is in the article accompanying it, Bald is writing unironic "this is why we need communism" thinkpieces now
>I LOVE BREADTUBERS AND COMMUNISM >Proceeds to have unpaid interns make all his new comics
Champaign communists never think that they'll be the first against the wall
He has a point. Issue is however that communism ultimately leads to zero property rights and a failure to respect skilled labor over basic labor (given the labor value theory).
He isn't wrong tho, when he says (I preface): >"if the idiots at the helm had slightly more strategy or slightly leas contempt for the lives they stripmine, they could've kept the grift going indefinitely ".
..and he isn't wrong.
This is the thing about the entire system, half of em are morons and the other half are too greedy.
They could've milked this cow for centuries, moved us into the stars and found more resources to milk us for, but they couldn't slow it down even a tiny bit.
And frankly, I think that was all Trump ever tried to do/point out, telling them " hey morons, stop taking all the cookies, these stupid plebs are happy if you leave them 1 cookie each, but you want all the cookies for yourselves".
I agree, its a farce to own land, because you dont, and this is an issue.
Spend a decade like i have building and creating value to the land i bought, which was originally an empty overgrown worthless plot that now has a house, a barn, plowed fields and can support a flock of chickens and small herd of livestock.
I did all of that. they want more money from me now because I made it worth more.
fricking greedy Black folk.
>zero property rights
at the end of the day, all land on one nation already technically belongs to all citizens, which is why you are, AT THE VERY LEAST, taxed once on land that you "bought".
>AT THE VERY LEAST, taxed once on land that you "bought".
youre advocating for serfdom and you dont even realize it, moron.
youre exactly why i will hang commies from trees if i am ever free to do so.
>youre advocating for serfdom
who are you quoting? what are you on about?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>who are you quoting? what are you on about?
i am quoting the fricking moronic commie who thinks ground taxes are justified.
thats literally serfdom.
educate yourself moron.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>land based tax isn't justified
it's totally legitimate if you think that, but I think you're a deranged anarchist though
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it's totally legitimate if you think that
so you're advocating for serfdom.
Exactly what i said before you stupid fricking commie.
7 months ago
Anonymous
i'm advocating for social state with liberal laws yes
I don't enjoy anarchism for obvious reasons
why are americans so obsessed with the socialism boogeyman?
ground tax should be illegal, but it's the way to force you into the system. Even if you grow and make your own food, you still have to pay "taxes", which is literlly robbery
7 months ago
Anonymous
it is. and you cant get off the grid cuz youre forced to pay in dollars.
So you always have to interact with their israeli system.
ive said a compromise on land taxes would be to allow the govt to place a lien on property for unpaid taxes if you ever sell or if it moves out of the direct family.
but taking land/property for unpaid taxes is evil and is literal robbery as you said.
It's insane, i miss a year and im at risk of losing EVERYTHING ive done here. And they wont even give me the equity I do have once they've sold the property to recoup the taxes they claim i owe
7 months ago
Anonymous
>"TAXES ARE ROBBERY" shouted the basement dwelling virgin who has survived his entire life on NEETbux and mom's tendies
7 months ago
Anonymous
So you wouldn't mind if the government took your personal property and used it for whatever embezzlement scam mislabeled as education or healthcare.
Hold still.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Don't like it? Move to a different country.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I prefer to make one out of the corpse of the modern USA. There should universal deductions on property taxes for residential properties. The only tax that is less of a theft is sales tax and even then there must be exemption on essentials like foodstuffs and medical care.
>zero property rights
at the end of the day, all land on one nation already technically belongs to all citizens, which is why you are, AT THE VERY LEAST, taxed once on land that you "bought".
I only bought Strangers in Paradise from the Epic Store. I have no plans to buy anything from them again.
If he likes socialism so much, then he would not mind if the government dictated content on video games, holds exclusive say on categorization, and bans games that are denied categorization similar to Australia. Perhaps he should support the government dictating the content of his shitty webcomics that have gone downhill over the past 11 or 12 years.
Also, those other countries appeal to tourists and third world Black and Brown invaders while throwing more of their own populations under the bus with "hate speech" policies and back of the line social welfare. Canada now encourages doctors to have patients commit toaster in bathtub.
>be me >autist expelled from public schools >get super blackpilled from other internet doomposters >attend bottom-tier state college after >very low hopes for success but trudge along anyways in part thanks to parents with expectations >get phd, strong publication record, and a six figure job immediately after >currently worth $550k and have a condo mostly paid off
Nearly every single person I know irl that's complaining about how hard it is to make it is some fricking middle class gamer/internet-addict that never tried for anything real. Virtually every first gen Mexican gets further in life than these fricking 30 year old boomer e-communists that spend their life from age 13 onwards reading leftist gamer comics and engaging with leftist gamer subreddits and twitter communities.
>Years after years of corporate greed fricking over players and workers alike while execs and the investor class profit >blatant firing of thousands who will have to deal with the holiday season worrying if their savings will hold out, findinganother job etc...but an executive can still get a celeb to come perform at their birthday party >NO NO NOT NOT THE GOMMUNISM HOW DARE WORKERS MAYBE CONTROL THINGS INSTEAD OF A TINY GROUP OF EXPLOITATIVE FRICKTARDS NOBODY CAN POINT IT OUT OR SAY TEH BAD WORD
So do you either love the taste of the boot or is this just some sort of culture warrior reaction where the moment someone mentions Socialism you shriek like a pod person?
I'm pretty sure you really don't care about the answer but the issue isn't "nobody will ever get fired ever again"but rather the system wouldn't have vested interest in firing people so that you could cook the books in a way that benefits only exec management and those at the top , who don't have to deal with any of the ramifications of their decisions.
None of this is necessarily "communist" either , but on the basest level of socialism (meaning workers owning and controlling the means of production ) would be running the company as a co-op, everyone would get to vote on certain policies and governance, instead of a bunch of external shareholders who bought their way in with money (ie this is why we have a system the values capital more than labor, a major issue with pretty much everything described as "globohomo") who dont' give two fricks about anything but return of investment, would certainly prevent the issue described.
The issue is that had they not been picked up by Epic for this bullshit, they may have been able to thrive elsewhere. Timmy deciding to pick up all these subsidiaries to create a kabuki play for investors even if they do nothing to improve the core business is the problem. His failure isn't being born by the execs and investors of Epic, but of all the workers at Bandcamp and wherever else that were absorbed. Timmy doesn't have to answer for his bad decisisons, he still gets his birthday with eminem, everyone else has to find new jobs because frick them.
This is the the issue with so much business now and including in the games industry. Some execs make shitty decisions, load up a game with shitty by the numbers fad chasing bullshit and ensure its mediocre and releases long before it was tested propery and content was finished, jammed it full of Denuvo licenses andlootboxes etc Do they , after releases come in say "gee, we really fricked that up. Look, no end of quarter bonuses to the board and upper management. We can't afford it and we made a shitty bet, lets learn from it?" No, of course not they say "Oh we have no idea why Game X didn't connnect with its audience! The team that worked on the game and did what we demanded we do and every change we made,we'll just fire em because it "didn't meet expectations". We still get ourbonuses of course. Just as well, some of them were asking for raises after being here for years anyway. We can just hire new ones, or bring the old ones back at 'adjusted' salaries if they're willing when we recruit for the next project. Now, who's coming to my birthday party? Bring coke to do off Nikki Minaj's ass!"
7 months ago
Anonymous
Modern western companies pay their execs mostly in stock options specifically to address this issue by tying the success of the company to executive bottom lines. The people at the bottom have to find new jobs, yeah, but their savings accounts don't take a hit from these decisions. If the company has good governance policies, execs feel the hit.
Epic got BandCamp and Songtradr for their upcoming Rock Band mode in Fortnite, people are speculating they are gonna release DIY instruments in a confirmed collab with Lego, but since they also bought Harmonix (Rock Band creators) they chopped Songtrdr and Bandcamp
For Superawesome, Timmy wanted Roblox success with their current Roblox mode in Fortnite, but they got skibdi toilet tycoon maps instead.
I recall it more as being a deranged ploy in their anti-Steam/Apple cases. Like "look! we're not just a publisher of games, we have other media on our service!"
Also, why on earth would a company who's primary business is SELLING music be bought to help MAKE a music game? That doesn't make any sense.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Epic basically admitted they bought Bandcamp to use as a bargaining chip in their trials.
>Make a storefront that's for studio benefit rather than customers >Is surprised when it doesn't go well
Maybe ask some of these game devs getting bigger revenue cuts to buy some games for themselves.
ive been playing and emulating on pc for the past 25 years. let me be serious with all who read this shitpost. i dont evem see console gamers as people. if you only play on console youre literally Black person cattle to me
Epic had much of the modding community in their corner as Valve did at that time. Games like Killing Floor and Red Orchestra started out as UT 2004 mods. They could have started the same type of service as Valve did with steam, but they didn't bother.
>sues valve to allow egs to put their store front on steam, but keep all the money from purchases >valve goes "sure, so we can put our games on your store, and keep the money"? >the lawsuit vanishes into thin air, no one knows where it went...
valve being called a monopoly and steamgays a cult is hilarious to me because every other competitor that isnt GOG sucks massive fricking wiener and doesnt even try to provide the services steam does. Everyone wants a piece of the PC gaming pie but nobody wants to even try
>le services
I care about buying games, owning them and being able to keep on playing them.
Steam fails at this simple matter. >but the forums
don't care >but the achievements
kys
It was Bethesda who brought it to valve.
And valve apologized and haven't tried to bring it back since.
Yes it was massive frickup, and while Bethesda did reimplement paid mods in their own launcher, valve hasn't.
That's fair IMO.
>it...it's Bethesda
Valve loved the idea, didn't they, these greedy parasitic bankers >they apologized
lmao
yeah when even Steamies wake up about something, you know that you fricked up.
Too greedy, but they can try another time.
7 months ago
Anonymous
One of the companies mentioned insisted on making paid mods a thing, the other one didn't. I'll leave figuring out which is which to you.
7 months ago
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>both companies tried to pull the paid mods stunt >but Valve are good and not criminals >also Valve apologized, despite having done nothing at all >it was Bethesda, and they cloned Gabe to make him promote paid mods
lmao
> gaben: plays vidya on his yacht, collects knives and eats 8000 calorie cookies > timmy: not a turner, sues everyone who is smarter than him, probably doesn't even pay shills but does it himself
it's a close one for sure
If Tim was smart, he would make his good programmers that did Unreal Engine create a proper light weight client, and also allow direct downloads of DRM free games via web browser, and also announce that Windows XP+7 will get supported forever, so that all games keep on working
>changs crying about lootboxes and battlepasses >when fortnite battlepass scams are the main way it makes money
also a friendly reminder, when fortnite first launched the ONLY way to get new guns, characters, traps, and progress the game in general was by buying lootboxes to get gear
>fortnite battle passes
LITERALLY free >you only got new guns via Fortnite battle pass
lmao, you are mentally moronic. >I meant skins, skins, weapon skins, not new guns
lmao
>buy Fortnite Save the World >get literally unlimited vbucks for free >vbucks dispenser hasn't stopped, even years later
lmao
meanwhile on Steam >Pay 2.50 USD to unlock this loot box
>When I say Fortnite, I actually mean Save the world
Funny that you ignore the fact that Save the World is literally a vbucks dispenser, which means you don't have to pay anything. Instead you get vbucks for free.
Meanwhile at Steam you literally have to pay 2.50 USD for every loot box
And Epic stopped with that shit by themselves anyway. Valve hasn't.
7 months ago
Anonymous
literally the only way you progressed in the PVE mode was buying lootboxes, then the courts made them stop
7 months ago
Anonymous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortnite:_Save_the_World
Players gain rewards through these missions to improve their hero characters, support teams, and arsenal of weapon and trap schematics to be able to take on more difficult missions.
The game was initially supported through microtransactions to purchase in-game loot boxes that could be used towards these upgrades.
it seems you are lying.
7 months ago
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7 months ago
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Players gain rewards through these missions to improve their hero characters, support teams, and arsenal of weapon and trap schematics to be able to take on more difficult missions.
Players gain rewards through these missions to improve their hero characters, support teams, and arsenal of weapon and trap schematics to be able to take on more difficult missions.
stop lying homosexual.
7 months ago
Anonymous
literally a pay to win game at launch
7 months ago
Anonymous
>pay2win
Save the World was never competitive, moron
Also stop lying.
Competitive Battle Royale Fortnite never had loot boes, now cope and give Gabe more money for loot boes in a paid game
7 months ago
Anonymous
>spend real money >you are flat out better than anyone else whos playing without spending money
7 months ago
Anonymous
>in this non-competitive game, you were able to win
nope, Steamie.
It's not competitive, but cooperative.
you would know that if you played it.
and it's literally a vbucks dispenser
Of course instead you are making shit up, that aren't true.
7 months ago
Anonymous
keep seething shill
>NEVER >EVER
Cope Steamie, while I enjoy the free games that you beta tested for me.
>free copies of GTA online a decade after it came out!!! thank you timmy now I can buy shark cards!
7 months ago
Anonymous
*GTA 5
keep coping, while you PAID for GTA 5 to get GTA Onlne, and thus get fricked over
7 months ago
Anonymous
>and it's literally a vbucks dispenser
Shill alert!
7 months ago
Anonymous
>and it's literally a vbucks dispenser* >*if you turn it into a second job where you slave away at quests daily
lol
lmao
I think I'll keep my real job and give timmy 5€ when I want to jerk off to the new skin with a nice ass thanks cuck
>YOU CAN'T SELL YOUR GAME ON OTHER STORES (THAT MIGHT HAVE LOWER PUBLISHING FEES) FOR A LOWER PRICE THAN YOU DO ON STEAM IF YOU ALSO SELL YOUR GAME ON STEAM
>sell game on steam, using its infrastructure for distribution, multiplayer, and support >piss your pants in rage when you aren't allowed to sell steam copies of a game through your own site for a fraction of the cost and pocket all the money
devs set the price of their own games
not steams fault the dogfricker is too stupid to realize you can't sell steam copies on a third party site for a fraction of the price
Don't sell steam copies on your own website, furgay. But you don't want to do that because that means you would have to pay for server space to have people download the game from you
>sell product in super market at agreed price >put up posters all over the market telling people to buy the product from your garage instead for cheaper >you aren't actually selling the product, you're selling a voucher to get the product for free from the market and pocketing all the money while the market has to handle distributing and supporting the product
>you can't sell your product for a cheaper price anywhere else when you sell at our supermarket
Illegal.
7 months ago
Anonymous
learn to read furry, steam cracks down on russoid key sellers for the same reason
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it...it's the Russians >key reselling is illegal!!!
lmao >just buy them at another store >noooo, reselling is bad and illegal!!!
7 months ago
Anonymous
kys furgay
nothing stops you from selling a game on your own store and steam
you can't sell steam keys for less than the steam price to try scam the system
>put game on steam for 60$ >link back to your website where its sold for 40$ >get to avoid steam getting a cut + get free advertising >this is somehow a monopoly
I will try to explain my argument for you morons who think I'm the guy you're arguing with (I'm not)
or you think I'm talking about steam keys sold somewhere else....
>GAME A IS SOLD ON STEAM FOR 10 MUTTERINOS WITH A 30% PUBLISHING FEE
>GAME A IS ALSO SOLD ON GOG FOR 10 MUTTERINOS WITH A 15% PUBLISHING FEE
>WHY?
>BECAUSE IF YOU SELL YOUR GAME ON STEAM, YOU CAN'T SELL THE SAME GAME ON GOG FOR A LOWER PRICE
have I explained it better? am I talking about fricking "steam copies"?
monster girl manager is cheaper on itch than it is on steam, how can that be allowed if what you are saying is true? Go read the steamworks documentation, it specifically states you cannot charge less when selling a steam key(limited time discounts aside). You can sell your game at any price you want on other platforms.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>monster girl manager released on steam for 8,99 mutterinos and later the dev raised the price to 12,49
so what happened? did valve give you a special contract or some shit?
cool shit dev bro!
I do invite you to actually read ALL the steamworks documentation, forget about the "steam copies" shit, no one gives a frick about that on this thread...
7 months ago
Anonymous
He read the rules of the contract, furgay. Its not hard
7 months ago
Anonymous
>furgay this furgay that
what the frick is a furgay? what are you on about? who are you quoting?
7 months ago
Anonymous
The point is that you are allowed to sell your game cheaper on other sites. There is no "special contract" needed. Many other games do it.
7 months ago
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>10 is cheaper than 8.99
???
7 months ago
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>stalker call of pripyat is like 5 dollars on steam >its 3 dollars on fanatical
hmmm....
7 months ago
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>fanatical >steam keys
not this shit again...
7 months ago
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>steam key is cheaper on a third party website so that means you're wrong
who are you quoting? what are you on about? who's talking about steam keys?
hes even more moronic as his website was selling steam keys for $40, this is what made steam take notice. If he was selling the game without any steam stuff and distributed from his own server steam wouldn't have done anything
But that's not true? Ubishit does it all the time on their launcher. Origin also did all the time on their launcher. Sony is doing it right now with Horizon. Larian with DivOS2.
>piss your pants in rage when you aren't allowed to sell steam copies of a game through your own site for a fraction of the cost and pocket all the money
not what I argued... >YOU ARE LYING
nope 🙂
I will try to explain my argument for you morons who think I'm the guy you're arguing with (I'm not)
or you think I'm talking about steam keys sold somewhere else....
>GAME A IS SOLD ON STEAM FOR 10 MUTTERINOS WITH A 30% PUBLISHING FEE
>GAME A IS ALSO SOLD ON GOG FOR 10 MUTTERINOS WITH A 15% PUBLISHING FEE
>WHY?
>BECAUSE IF YOU SELL YOUR GAME ON STEAM, YOU CAN'T SELL THE SAME GAME ON GOG FOR A LOWER PRICE
have I explained it better? am I talking about fricking "steam copies"?
>go through corporate files and find me the one paragraph 🙂
no, but instead I invite you to find me one game sold cheaper on another store (not steam key) that is also sold on steam
pc store comparison, not pc and console comparison BASED moronO
>Valve celebrates their first shipped game by releasing it for free and adding quality of life improvements >Epic meanwhile wipes Unreal from all storefronts, shuts down master servers and pretend that UT never existed
Okay epoojeets
explain why Epic is better than valve
I do not care about the publisher's cut as prices have not gone down, and games are MORE expensive on EGS
I do not care decade old games that are free, I already own those games
I do not care about "monopolies" as the soft monopoly with valve is and has been good for the consumer
>u-u-u-ur baiting
I've asked this same question in multiple EGS threads, not once has a jeet been able to answer why I should use EGS over valve, or GoG
because Valve hates your guts and fricks you over anyway they like and want to.
Also on Steam you have to obey what Valve demands.
On GOG you don't.
On EGS you get games for free.
>jeet
why do you call them "jeets"?
what is a "jeet"?
am I a "jeet"?
are the "jeets" in the walls with you?
is it a coping mechanism first made by poo poo coloured americans/first gen african immigrants?
I'm really curious where all this "jeet" thing came from
>has a bruised ego
This is Tim's problem in the end, he's fricking sour because nothing he's tried other than ripping off PUBG has worked and what worked is essentially someone else's idea.
It will be interesting the day Fortnite fades into the background replaced by something else.
Gaben is great and can be trusted with a monopoly, but what happens when Gabe is no longer at the helm?
Right, you morons can't think that far, nevermind.
>but what happens when Gabe is no longer at the helm?
absolute control falls over to whoever's next in line at valve and is second-oldest, probably robin walker or a similar other oldhead
and unless everyone at valve suddenly and instantaneously drops their fricking frontal lobes, no, they won't go public trade or otherwise massively endanger the company and PC gaming by extension in the span of five minutes
What's funny is Steam and Gaben were genuinely starting to flag in PR for awhile. And yet Epic ended up completely catalyzing a bunch of people to go "well hang on, actually Steam, its service, and its policies are pretty great." Literally just making people realize how bad things could be. Now there's a bunch of people spreading the Gospel of Steam, more energized to highlight what they like and proselytize those things to others, informing them of the misconceptions and unsubstantiated critiques being peddled. No one was doing this before, but now by negative example, people feel compelled to defend Steam.
I even think it was precisely that perception of dissatisfaction with Steam and Valve that was the foundation for the entire EGS debacle. You had all these people talking about how Valve doesn't do anything, how Steam is just coasting, how they have Nazis in their forums, how all these great games are being drowned out by trash. This made Epic think they could just dump a bunch of money to muscle their way in with a halfbaked product that justified its deficiencies by spinning them as positives, and rake in the easy money. After all, it's not like Valve actually has to do anything to make money on Steam. How hard could it be?
>some shit about some shit meme about some foreign boogeyman stealing the jobs of poo poo coloured criminals in ohio
yawn, americans can't meme anymore...
>open valve >front page is a mix of games, publisher sales, and a couple porn games >open EGS >crypto scams and NTF scams >timmy tenncent wonders why no one uses his store while he screams that the customers don't matter
Epic decided to allow crypto games and most are incredibly shady and half assed nit games that are more then likely scams and at one point where all over the storefront no clue if that's still the case though I never really use epic.
>biting the bait threads of degenerate basement dwelling dweebs who aren't interested ever in what's right or what's wrong but instead are only interested in wasting time trolling people on the mongolian basket weaving website
you should fix yourself bros...
built in mod support, cloud saves, forums to directly get in touch with the devs, and talk with other people for troubleshooting issues or sharing tips, reviews on the page to see if the game is a scam or not
>built in mod support
the steam workshop is a barrel full of dogshit, I seriously hope nobody gets their mods from there >cloud saves
useless zoomer shit >the steam forums >fricking steam reviews
all things other sites provide and of much better quality
7 months ago
Anonymous
whats the point of asking if you're just gonna say "doesn't count" no matter what the answer is?
7 months ago
Anonymous
what value does EGS have?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Well I, personally, have gotten amusement from how much of a laughable shitpile it's been. So, you know, it's got *some* value!
7 months ago
Anonymous
>cloud saves >useless zoomer shit
7 months ago
Anonymous
>steam workshop is a barrel full of dogshit
you not liking the mods featured is a cope >cloud saves
you not liking cloud saves is a frickong cope >steam forums bad >steam reviews bad >they le do them better elsewhere
name 3 platforms that have forums and a review system better than steam. independent review sites and forums dont fricking count
7 months ago
Anonymous
7 months ago
Anonymous
show me examples of fruits >well cucumber, watermelon, tomato, potato
half of these are vegetables, watermelon is a berry >haha shitty meme image
7 months ago
Anonymous
>all things other sites provide and of much better quality
Not true. You have to actually buy the fricking game to leave a review on steam so you can actually know that they are genuine.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>buy the game, play for 5 minutes >leave a negative review >refund
7 months ago
Anonymous
you can sort by whatever amount of playtime you want and just disregard any review under x hours
7 months ago
Anonymous
>leave review on steam >far from 1-10, you can't even give 1 to 5 stars, literally a shit modern "thumbs up/ thumbs down" system like the israelitetube and nigflix >developer irreparably ruins the game with an update and then calls players racist on twitter >steam hides all bad reviews (by default!) because due to "a period of off-topic activity" >always at the mercy of troony moderators anyways
great system!
7 months ago
Anonymous
Now lets see what kind of user review system EGS has
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't use that chinkshit so I don't care
but pretending a site is amazing and we should shut up and suck gabewiener just because alternatives suck more is only going to make steam worse and worse
7 months ago
Anonymous
shit meant for
Now lets see what kind of user review system EGS has
7 months ago
Anonymous
>why do people use steam!? they should use epic! >why should people use epic? >FRICK U HOW DARE YOU COMPARE THEM ITS FINE THAT EPIC IS WORSE IN EVERY WAY JUST GIVE THEM MONEY
7 months ago
Anonymous
Black person I didn't say any of that calm down schizo
I said it's not bad to criticize steam
you can do whatever you want with your money
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah it is actually pretty good. It's a nice tool to suss out the strengths and weaknesses of a game you might be interested in. Also lets you see if a developer had recently fricked up their game.
7 months ago
Anonymous
GRAFIX:
-so good yuo forget what lyfe is
-masturrpiec
X byotiful
-decent
-bad
-NES
-paint.exe
DIFFICULTY:
-easy boi
X diffcult
-dark souls
7 months ago
Anonymous
---{PC Requirements}---
Check if you can run paint
Potato
Decent
Fast
Rich boi
Ask NASA if they have a spare computer
:^)
7 months ago
Anonymous
>far from 1-10, you can't even give 1 to 5 stars, literally a shit modern "thumbs up/ thumbs down" system like the israelitetube and nigflix
...and that's a good thing.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I hate to agree but I do for the most part. the steam forums should be deleted, it seems populated almost exclusively by belligerent morons. it makes this place look smart by comparison.
I do like the review system, even if most reviews themselves are essays written at a 3rd grade level or useless jokes
7 months ago
Anonymous
anime homosexual
7 months ago
Anonymous
don't use my fap material to shitpost, Black person
7 months ago
Anonymous
don't use my wife for such shit opinions ever again you Black person troon
not only does steam have every feature imaginable, but it still manages to run faster than EGS when launching its own games lmao
https://twitter.com/Dachsjaeger/status/1721858886448095707
Well gamers keep buying games off of steam so they obviously are getting value out of it
one of the best tools for controller support on PC, so good in fact people force EGS games through steam to get that controller support
Was it worth it for >The invention of lootboxes >The invention of paid skins >Gambling inventory >Gambling marketplace >Uncurated flow of shovelware >Early Access cancer >allowing unfinished AAA games that aren't even market as Early Access >Death of Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike, Half-Life series
No it wasn't worth it
Really gamers got the short end of the stick
7 months ago
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>Was it worth it
Yes. I can just ignore the 2 valve games with lootboxes.
>Early Access cancer
Early access games are amazing because you always get ez refunds no matter how many hours you log lmao
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes. I can just ignore the 2 valve games with lootboxes.
You abswolute fricktard, Valve unleashed lootboxes on the entire industry, they're everywhere now, even in the fricking singleplayer games. Y$ou absolute fricking subhuman
7 months ago
Anonymous
>MUH INDUSTRY
Oh no, valve ruined fifa, battlefield and Overwatch. THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN MY FAVORITE GAMES!!!
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't care. I don't play whatever shit game you're talking about so it literally does not affect me. That's like a free to play model thing. It's really easy to just not play shit games.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I can't believe they put fricking lootboxes into a game like Infra. Calling them "geocaches", disgusting. Why is Valve allowed to get away with this??
7 months ago
Anonymous
unfinished AAA games that aren't even market as Early Access
What fricking games are you talking about and how is it Valves fault for that?
>steam input
am I the only one who fricking hates that shit?
I was playing a game and the sensitivity on my mouse was all fricked, and changing the settings did nothing
when I unplugged my controller it suddenly worked fine
turns out it was steam input messing things up
I turned it off and not only did it fix it but even my controller works better too lmao
Steam has a frickton of features from great (Steam Input, forums, workshop) to niche (Cards, pointshop) that provide for a wide range of people, even if you don't bother with 90% of it Steam provides at least something to everyone.
not only does steam have every feature imaginable, but it still manages to run faster than EGS when launching its own games lmao
https://twitter.com/Dachsjaeger/status/1721858886448095707
unironically a higher likelihood of success >add hella modes >add actual fricking effort >make this shit a fricking community event juggernaut
but no, enjoy your farted out character skins, once a year concerts and "creative mode"
shits fricking fricked
court docs revealed they made way more fricking money with fortnite than unreal, by a huge fricking margin. Unreal+fortnite right now is not solvent thanks to Tiny Tims lawsuits, so consider that.
It makes around $100 million as shown from the court docs, which lets not pretend that isn't a lot but at Epics size of over 4000 employees, that's about $20,000 per employee
>put game up for sale >sell it at GoG and itch >if I put it up on steam timmy will seethe and the game will not be allowed on EGS >if I put it up on EGS valve will not care >this is somehow valve's fault
Anyone that praises Steam Workshop, review system, and whatever other bloat steam has is also a shill, I'm not defending Epic I hate exclusives, but Workshop, is a far inferior product that offstore mods, and reviews are way better on Youtube.
Also who the frick needs cloud saves, controller support when AppData already has your saves and XInput is most used service?
I'll give props for steam play out of the box, but it's shit in competitive games
nonsense. you want public opinion next to the product the publishers are trying to sell you. Do you really think that the majority of paypigs are going to go look for reviews on another site? no, frick no. paypigs just see something and buy it which is why epig is fricking garbage and the only reason it exists is to cater to publishers who don't want any negativity next to their product. Steam reviews don't even stop people from buying games otherwise EA and Activision wouldn't put their games on there. Every garbage IP they have like NBA or FIFA has mostly negative reviews but there's 500k reviews. which means millions of people bought the game. Epig is just that disingenuous.
Also who the frick needs games on a Linux machine? If you have a decent job chances are you need to use Windows as your main station, and anything can easily break on Linux making you waste precious time, Proton is just another form of opensource spyware on the same level as Visual Code
>Also who the frick needs games on a Linux machine?
I do. I don't need to justify shit to you. Works on my machine, y'know, cause I don't fricking use EGS.
Does anyone know how much money Timmy spent on just Kingdom Hearts exclusivity on his Chinese Epic Store? That IP isn't cheap and they negotiated with the minor demon known as Disney suits. Nintendo couldn't even get Donald, Goofy, and Mickey in Smash Ultimate as minor cameos and yet Timmy got all the Kingdom Hearts PS3 HD ports and the 3rd game on EGS. And it still isn't on Steam or Microsoft PC Store. Do any of you know how insane that is? Even FF7Remake PS4 was ported to PC as a timed exclusive on EGS for about a year then Steam got it, meanwhile Kingdom Hearts PC isn't on Steam well over a year.
That is a lot of fricking money SquareEnix and Disney got to block its release on Steam. Just how fricking much and why Kingdom Hearts out of all was that Timmy's line in the sand against Gabe. I'll never install Epic Chinese Store but I must kneel at the caliber of money Timmy is putting out to block games off Steam.
Apparently they paid something like $250 million for the KH3 exclusivity deal, Borderlands 3 also costed them an arm and a leg for exclusivity too. It's kind of mindblowing just much they threw away on those deals.
Quarter of a billion isn't anything to scoff at. I don't actually know how much KH3 would've sold on steam but to the Square suits I don't blame them for taking the deal. Who wouldn't turn down an easy 250 MILLION? Even if it sells like shit on pc who cares? They'll still sell their copies on the playstation anyway
Squee has a special relationship with epig because they use Unreal for a lot of their games. I'm sure part of that agreement has to do with Squee not having to pay their 10% to unreal. That's good for investors. but Kingdom Hearts was a sham because they wanted like 70 dollars for each of the three games and it was cracked within an hour of release. There is no fricking way Squee made much money off of that, which they probably knew beforehand. Aside from the millions they gave Squee, there must have been something else in the deal. It makes you wonder if Kingdom Hearts is the first forever exclusive. I've been thinking they would try it at some point.
What I don't get is that the epic launcher has no fricking features after half a decade (feels like they're phoning it in at this point) yet it somehow manages to be significantly slower to launch games than steam. You can't even argue that it's meant to be done sort of laser focused experience for you to play your games and nothing more
Epic fricked Rocket League and hid it away in their shitty little store which is only used by Fortnite gays. Psyonix stopped giving a shit about the game ever since they got the Epic bux, its slowly going to die off and take a fun unique game with it.
>still no user profiles >still no custom avatars/profile pictures
these are features steam has had for like 15 years, it's beyond pathetic they don't have it yet
What truth did he tell, that you don't have to care about what gamers want? That all that matters is developer support?
Didn't quite work out like that.
why are steamies so fricking moronic
if publishers pay a higher cost the price of the game is higher.
it's like if a bakery pays higher rent to their landlords the price of bread will be higher
>I'm not paying it the developer is paying
YOU are paying it you fricking Black person
all costs are passed down to the end consumer
Then why do EGS exclusives charge full price anyway? Where's your logic, paste eater?
Looks like I, the customer, pay the same either way and the only difference is who pockets what proportion of my money.
because Valve (steam) tos for developers prohibits having a regular price cheaper elsewhere than on their own store for a game. So you can't just price on Steam at full msrp then discount it 15% for epic permanently.
it's like apple kicking you out of their app store if you sell the app somewhere else at a 20% discount
No it doesn't, unless you're selling steam keys. Which I am 100% certain EGS isn't. Also EGS exclusives aren't on Steam anyway, so what the frick does Valve TOS matter to them? What is Valve the world government now, which has control over every single store?
7 months ago
Anonymous
alright steamie stop huffing and puffing getting all defensive over gaben I will switch out steam for apple and android.
Apple and Android control the entire mobile app marketplace. It's two players. They charge 30% and you have to pay it. Are they entitled to it?
The rules written for monopolies are 100 years out of date. Tech corps have network effects and winner take all platforms. The idea of capitalism is that competition drives down prices and this isn't happening here.
It has to happen. It's not just steam it's all these companies.
Do you get it? Fricking goy
7 months ago
Anonymous
They can charge whatever the frick they want for access to their walled garden device. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft do the exact same shit. Don't like it, make your own device.
That's what Valve did with their Steam Deck. I don't give a frick about your ideas for capitalism when you're whinging about problems created by IP and Trademark law without explicitly advocating for their abolishment.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>just make your own facebook >just make your own google >just make your own smartphone ecosystem
It doesn't work like that anymore as I said tech has NETWORK EFFECTS dumbass
These aren't ideas for capitalism it is literally the concept of capitalism.
Competition drives prices lower. Adam smith warned against monopolies.
Being a devoted steamie turns you into a bootlicker for corporations
worse than being a troony kys
7 months ago
Anonymous
It doesn't work like that because you get sued for violating patents and copyrights, moron. Even Valve got sued for violating patents over their Steam Deck, good thing they have no shortage of money from that 30% cut they take so they didn't get driven out of business by the lawsuits.
You're the corporate bootlicker, since you are not even willing to admit that these laws used to create monopolies need to be abolished. Corporate law needs to be abolished too, so the people involved in the corporation can't hide their personal wealth from consequences.
Just admit you're wrong and take the L already, the original argument saw no refutation because you were wrong and you just chose to digress. At this point you're just wasting my time because you want my attention.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>just abolish all the laws and government it'll make things better
you're right I was wasting time with some 16 year old libertarian manchild
7 months ago
Anonymous
When you can't even admit that you're wrong, you're the one who comes across as a manchild. Doesn't help that you're shilling for a publicly traded corporation which has a legal obligation to maximize profit for the shareholders. Not that they are doing a particularly good job at it, but that's why Timmy is taking Ls.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>if you don't suck gaebn's wiener you are SHILLING for timmie
no I'm not. all the tech corps with their walled gardens should get fricked.
also law can in some cases create monopolies. But law is also the thing that's supposed to break monopolies. Like adam smith described the state has a referee role to play to destroy monopolies to ensure competition can take place.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't ask you to suck Gabens wiener, you mentally degenerated fricktard. I asked you to admit you were wrong to imply that games sold exclusively on EGS have an obligation to follow pricing set by Valve. They don't have that obligation, they are set at full price regardless because that's what the publishers and developers want the customer to pay.
>Government creates problems >Government creates solutions to problems it created >Solutions create new problems
Governments creates solutions to problems created by solutions it has implemented to problems >Solutions create new problems
Fricking epic brainlet logic. How about not creating monopolies in the first place, how's that sound? Or what, you want monopolies? But only if they are your preferred ones?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Timmy lost. All his bullshit lives and dies with Fortnite.
7 months ago
Anonymous
What I think about tim is that he's probably the most autistic frick ever. probably like most of you guys.
he really frick things up this should be a clear case on how to start fixing tech monopolies but he made it worse with his idiotic approaches.
maybe we start with disarming google.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I am not concerned by how much companies get fricked as long as the end result is comfy enough for me.
7 months ago
Anonymous
you are the consumer
you are at the other end of the transaction
if a corporation makes extra money they are fricking you over in some way
why is this hard to understand?
this is why the israelites frick you guys over so hard because you're all literally braindead.
>developers are getting fricked not me
all costs get passed down to the end consumer you dumb Black person
7 months ago
Anonymous
My games still cost the same, I don't give a shit.
Their price has tanked inflation like nothing else ever has.
7 months ago
Anonymous
you can't give a shit because you literally are too stupid to understand how corporations making extra money fricks you over.
good goy
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, that's how I felt about Sony making their online services paid. I stopped using Sony products. What is there for me to stop using Steam? They offer plenty of shit that also makes the lives of devs easier.
>According to Judge Coughenour, Wolfire’s allegations are that Valve uses a combination of “written and unwritten rules” to “enforce” control over developers, influencing how games, even non-Steam-enabled ones, are sold and priced. And the judge feels that these allegations are “sufficient to plausibly allege unlawful conduct.”
>This May 6 decision is a win for Wolfire, following a previous setback in the ongoing legal case against Valve and its Steam platform. After filing the initial lawsuit last year in May, Wolfire’s case against Valve was dismissed by the same Judge in November. However, Wolfire was allowed to file another complaint about the issues noted in the dismissal and did so. Now, Wolfire’s antitrust lawsuit will move forward in court.
once again a shithead libertarian arguing against the idea of capitalism because they don't know how to read. Have you ever actually read the wealth of nations? Do you think adam smith hated the government? You can literally google this stuff.
whatever I'm done libertarian are all manchildren who want to make their own enrons and frick everyone else with price gouging.
They like the ideas of monopolies anyways
explain
I dunno but the steam sale fricking destroyed epic sale. Way better discounts without even trying.
tl;dr, valve has a policy where if you sell it on steam, you cant sell it elsewhere for cheaper, so that ea games and anyone else with a store front (coughtimmycough) doesnt just put their games on steam for 100$ and mention on the store page its only 60$ on their own website.
strangely, instead of matching the prices, egs decided for whatever reason to just come close. so everything egs is selling discounted, is discounted and cheaper on steam. egs is calling steam a monopoly, while voluntarily charging its own users more for the same games.
That policy does not apply to other platforms, only to alternate storefronts which sell steam keys, like humble bundle.
how this is relevant i do not know
>sell game on steam,and your own website
>steam copies are steamkeys, the copies you sell are installers
this is fine
>sell game on steam and your website
>both versions are steamkeys
this is also fine
>sell game on steam and your website
>both versions are steamkeys, except the website versions are half the price
this is not fine
its not hard to understand
so your saying, if said key installers, advertise on steam, that they have cheaper prices, bypassing all the services, worhtless or not, its cool. just checking.
yes thats how it works. if you aren't selling steam keys you can set the price however you like
sorry im im a bit out there, im not sure what my argument was
>jojogay
>calling anyone a moron
Go to bed!
This is pure bullshit. Humble bundle, gmg, fanatical and other legal key sellers all had way lower prices than steam, both during sales and launch times. Frick off timmy
He's trying to save gamers from a monopoly and he's hated for it
>He's trying to save gamers from a monopoly
He's trying to become the monopoly.
Steam needs the competition, otherwise they have no incentive to reduce prices and improve their service
This is true but EGS is a complete dogshit competition. Free games and exclusives aren't going to save them when simple stuff like a cart feature take literal years to get added. They need to actually do better or someone else needs to put their foot in the ring.
>frick free games
>I need a cart
You are an American, aren't you?
>a cart is a simple feature that showcases how fricking shit EGS is as a platform and that you shouldn't trust the company behind it.
Yes.
>I need a cart to put all the goyslop into it
>there is no other way
The point of having a cart is to bundle all the games you're getting in one purchase. Cause otherwise you'll have your card getting several charges all within a few minutes, which can and did result in the card getting locked down until you call you bank to unlock it.
It's also just like, imagine a grocery store without any carts or baskets. Sure, you're not getting that much, but they can't even provide one of the basic, universal services all the other stores can? That's just a bad look.
EGS can't do better, because they are fundamentally approaching this from a perspective that you, as a game buyer, don't understand.
EGS is considering the game developers and publishers their customers, not you. You're just a product which they are trying to stock up on to sell to the publishers and developers.
>EGS is considering the game developers and publishers their customers
moronic ARGUMENT
If that was true then Timmy should concentrate on selling Unreal Engine and dev tools and not setting up a storefront for game end-users.
Do you not see their rhetoric? Nothing they ever say is about the people who buy games. Everything Tim and EGS ever say is how their store is better for developers and publishers and how Steam is the raw deal for them.
they did anon, they fricking purpose built the new UE for toddlers to make skins and game modes for fortnite.
Well then he or someone else need to be better competition
>Reduce prices
That's not something Steam can do very much,it comes down to the publishers who allow them to discount things or not. Steam did come up with the whole modern "sale is not just the shitty old stuff from years ago on ashelf at GameStop,but instead massive saving on new, recently released,oreven pre-launchedtitles" dynamic.
>Improve their services
They've been doing that in some of the only ways that actually benefit users compared to nearly every other vendor . All their FOSS stuff, Linux support, Community features, Workshop, Guides etc... are all added not because they were afraid of some competitor as most 1st or 3rd party vendors weren't even fricking trying to do anything be except "We've got the games, you'll pay. Frick the rest".
Everything timmy has done on the other side has been against this, against players, adding to lock-in, lack of features, proprietary bullshit, outright hate for FOSS and Linux simply because Steam supports them and more; I haven't even gotten to the damage of Fortnite and the shitty stuff with Unreal Engine or EasyAntiCheat - and then he blamed everyone else.
>WAAAAA Apple and Google are being unfair that I can't use their store to market my stuff and then avoid following their rules
>WAAAAH Steam is a meanie bo beanie and people actually want to use their store and its not fair!
>WAHHHH Sony is the reason we can't lower prices the way we claimed even though they just gave us a just frickload of investment to save our ass as Tencent decided to tell us to frick off
Every time he cries and blames someone else he gets smacked down in the courts and rightly so. Frick him sideways for everything he has brought to PC gaming since the Epic Store . Its sad, Epic COULD have focused on their engine and made bank supporting everyone on everyplatform but the greed ruined it.
>simply because Steam supports them
This is the funniest fricking part. I love watching Epic do things based purely on the contrarianism of seeing Valve not do it under the impression they're cornering a market that Steam isn't doing and it just turns out to be fricking terrible business, you can take one fricking look at the blockchain/NFT games that are on EGS, remember that one of the biggest 'features' of EGS was that it was curated and was supposed to have quality control so cheap asset flips and literal scams didn't end up on the platform, and laugh.
Exactly. Oldgays from the Unreal Tournament era may have remembered how Epic COULD have spent their time basically focused on their engine, licensed it to everyone on every platform, and not bothered to frick around with trying to run a store. They would have been beloved if they did it and supported it well - hell they even made the support for UE4 and 5 for Linux (and things like Easy Anti Cheat) LESS capablesimply because of their sour grapes (admittedly, EAC didn't work at all with Proton/Wine until Valve basically stomped over and convinced them that so many of their license holders would frick off if they didn't bother and even then they couldn't just made it work, they had to have a parting tantrum where the dev needs to flick a specific "do not freak out on Proton/Wine" flag for the game so they could claim that developers were not doing it etc.
Even during the Fortnite years they could have released it on Steam (and iOS, and Android) and anywhere else and made it clear that people would throw money at them for that god awful abortion (putting aside the battle royale garbage , FOMO, expensive skins, exclusive battle passes etc) and they'd get users from every store or platform onboard, free advertising etc.... but no, their greed meant they couldn't see the millions actually coming in, all they could fixate on was "but but what if we got all of them to only download through our site and we didn't need to give a cut to anyone else!" which has shot them in the dick in multiple ways. Its stupidity of the highest order thanks to always thinking the invisible line could go up more.
EGS has turned into a complete shovelware dump ever since they released self publishing. At least Steam has somewhat decent filtering options.
>The Epic Store won't accept crappy games
Bro, your entire catalogue of exclusive??
>That pic
Don't they let blockchain bitcoin shit in the store? And majority of them are scams.
They were initially against it, but the second Valve comes out with a public statement announcing a ban on crypto games, Timmy Tencent smells an opportunity to be the contrarian option for "cool guy points" or whatever and slithers out of the woodwork to immediately have Epic make a counter-announcement that crypto games are hip and cool and welcome on their store.
>that pic
>refuses 18+ content
>wonder why nobody uses your service
The most profitable platforms are always the ones who allow porn. Big corpos will never admit this because of PR, but it's always been true and they know it.
this is the whole story of epig, stand up and act like you have principles then change your tune when you need money. Their store is filled with garbage and a handful of exclusives, most of which is now on steam since they can't afford exclusives anymore. They only thing we're really missing is kingdom hearts.
Ahh, THERE it is. Yeah I remembered he said something to that effect.
EGS is actually taking in games from devs Steam removed for selling blatant asset flips.
>Won't accept crappy games
Is thwt why they make Gearbox and Remedy shit EGS exclusive?
>"Steam needs competition, guys"
>Goes on and make a platform that is worse than Steam in every way
>"I'm COMPETING!"
Kek what the frick was timmy thinking
Stop swearing you frick
Uhm, he just needs some time, 3 years isn't enough
Look, you don't NEED a shopping cart goy.
???? The most famous part of steam is the sales?
>otherwise they have no incentive to reduce prices
That's not their problem though, it's the developer's choice to reduce prices. You can't blame valve for the prices.
Yes you can the store can change the price too you know by taking a loss in profits
No they can't.
Early on epic run a (christmas I think) sale, where they discounted more than their cut, losing money on games. Several publishers delisted their games from egs because epic didn't ask them.
Price is part of brand perception and you don't want the store changing it on their own
>Steam needs the competition
Steam needs competition.
Epic bribing developers into exclusivity contracts ain't it though chief.
Practically speaking, this IS Steam's competition, certainly more tangibly than Epic or GOG are
Theres no good games on game pass.
No, but there's popular ones.
And next year it's going to get a jumpstart from Call of Duty and Blizzard's paypigs, the most abuse-hungry slave army in the world
There is a great one
Funny thing is gamepass started getting popular around the time Epic jumped into the market
I wonder how much it fricked growth and user spending since you could get it for so cheap
>renting is the same as buying
holy frick
>competition
>literally doesn't work on PC arbitrarily because the app has moronic dependencies that never install right or stay installed
You stupid mother fricker. At least EGS can install a fricking game. Gaypass can'.
If they literally just made an actual service that wasn't reliant on the bizarre ass Win10 legacy shit, I might actually try it. But why on earth would I ever try a service that could bork my harddrive and OS, requiring a full reinstall? Even if it's just a chance, that's completely insane.
goyslop: the image
>Steam needs the competition
Of course but the moron trying to build it is not looking out for consumers and what is worst, he is not even that good at building a monopoly.
Steam has had "competition" since origin, Ubishit and gamepass became distinct seperate platforms on PC for games.
Steam is just completely superior.
Steam's prices are also VERY good. Every single fricking year I can pick up great games in sales for up to 90% off. Steam only provides the platform, it doesnt influence prices at all.
IF EGS wasnt complete dogshit to use i'd be much more inclined to use it.
Competition is great, but we don’t need to artificially lift up a failed service repeatedly. Timmy can’t stop embarrassing himself.
It’s already has competition from GoG and piracy.
>Steam needs the competition, otherwise they have no incentive improve their service
Black person in 2023 alone, Steam released improved controller integration support and a customizable news screen to tailor what games can be recommended when you log in and whether you want to see news of updates or patches or DLC. What did Epic release? You literally need to use Steam to run controller support on an EGS game.
>there is "improved" controller support
lmao
>I love it when they advertise to me
kys
>patch patch patch
kys
So they did nothing of any value, got it.
that will be 30% on everything, into the pockets of a lazy parasite
>What did Epic release?
A better anticheat for fornite so linux users can't play it. Better VM detection so people who is security conscious can't play it either.
OK but where’s the competition? All I see are failures. Maybe someone with a brain needs to step up to the plate this time
>otherwise they have no incentive to reduce prices
Prices are determined by the devs, and they compete with each other.
Steam had plenty of competition without EGS, moron. Itch, GOG, and the fact that any company can just sell their game themself because PC is an open platform.
The literal best selling game of all time came out in the Steam era as a primarily PC game and ditched storefronts entirely to do its own thing. There’s your fricking competition.
Competition is supposed to be beneficial to consumers. Why does tim do his best to make life worse for consumers?
>life worse
>free games
Choose one
>free games
>on a client with no features run by a homosexual who said outloud that he hates me
I'd rather spend the money and just get it on steam or gog.
>with no forums
Good.
>I rather buy it to get forums
gamefaqs has forums for free, idiot.
and you aren't getting banned on there for LGBTQP+ violations like on Steam.
If I have to launch an EGS game through steam just to get controller support working it means EGS is a piece of shit that can suck my wiener.
You will NEVER, EVER win over consumers by trying to force them onto your platform with 3rd party exclusivity deals. Whatever platform is going to compete with steam, it isn't EVER going to be EGS.
>NEVER
>EVER
Cope Steamie, while I enjoy the free games that you beta tested for me.
If I wanted them for free Its literally faster to just pirate the game then install a epic account download the launcher install the launcher login find the game then add it to my library then install it. Only a tech illiterate moron would waste time installing EGS to download a free game. Its telling that the only positive you can give EGS is it give you free shit. I hate to break it to you steam and Gog do that on occasion as well and both are infinitely better platforms I would actually see having a reason to use over just pirating it.
you will never be a real storefront
It's a real storefront.
A real shit storefront LMAO
Steam has competion Its just not Epic seriously all epic wants to do is become a monopoly Its why they do everything give away free shit and pay for exclusives. Seriously If you want to support competion over steam go to gog or itch.io or any of the other steam competitors that are actually putting effort into making a good platform.
It's a shame the egs fell flat on its fricking face basically right out the gate, and hasn't really recovered since. Wonder if it would've fared better with someone else at the helm.
>epic is like Valve
No, they aren't.
Fortnite shows that.
they could frick over people like Valve does
They could not update and add ne content, like Valve does.
But they do the opposite of what Valve would be doing.
>They could not update and add ne content, like Valve does.
No they can't. Fortnite funds EGS not the other way around
Steam was offering frequent and high % sales before Timmy or the other gays showed up.
The funniest part about all of these PC storefronts is that for their entire existence, Steam has done nothing in response to them. Everything Steam does is because the knuckleheads at Valve wanted to.
Steam has never actually been a monopoly. Valve has been in healthy competition with piracy from day 1.
wouldn't then Denuvo be forced exclusivity and a violation of that healthy competition?
No because Denuvo is not Valve's product and is the choice of the publisher to include.
Well that and it wasn't offering 90% of PC releases from first couple of years either, that happened over time. Most devs were still doing direct sale for a bit.
>to reduce prices
Price is set by publishers, anon. Steam has no involvement in price besides asking for basic price parity(to prevent bad actors from using Steam as free advertisement for other stores, like EGS did at some point)
>improve their service
That is cool, but you have to point out when EGS did improved their services. As you can notice, despite EGS and GOG not improving their services at all, Steam still improves own services and gets better.
Steam is an literal cult at this point. The game was rigged from the start.
He just wishes he had complete power over PC the way gabe does
>My fat israelite is better than your fat israelite
Just stop. You’re a fricking embarrassment.
I didn't say anything like that
one fat israelite is just jealous
>He just wishes he had complete power over PC the way gabe does
It is nothing more than that, at night he thinks, what have the fat weirdo done to be so loved and have so much success? what does he have that I don't? I'm the better coder!
The funniest one was where he aggressively tried to take over PC gaming and failed, then came up with the idea to make the Epic Game Store a place where you could buy games for other platforms.
You mean the guy who told everyone on PC to frick off, called them all pirates, and said all the money was on consoles, took his ball and went home? Yeah, a real consumer interested selfless hero.
I mean the guy who was offering the only multi-platform engine with true native support for all platforms in the 2000s and early 2010s. Keep gaslighting valvegay.
If he put as much effort into the EGS as he did the unreal engine we would not be having this discussion but instead he put no effort into it and just gives away free shit to make it look like people actually use the platform for anything other then fortnite.
Unreal, besides being arguably the most advanced engine on the market, is one of the best. Indiegays and small studios are just too dumb to use C++ which can be up to 20x faster in tight micro workloads than blueprints. Depending on how CPU bottlenecked your hardware and how intensive your game logic is a pure C++ game implementation can be anywhere from 20% to 200% faster in practice. That said Fortnite runs great and they still use blueprints
I am not disagreeing with you on that at all I am just saying If he put as much effort into making his storefront good as he did unreal maybe people would give a shit about his platform. Instead he seems focused on trying to force people to use the piece of garbage by giving them free games and exclusivity deals.
>Fortnite runs great and they still use blueprints
That's because UE since 4 is built heavily around blueprints, and the best scenario is a mix of C++ and blueprints. While some tasks can only really be done with C++ or are better with it, blueprints really won't be a major bottleneck unless your moronic. Blueprints are much faster to work with and the conversion to C++ doesn't provide a lot of uplift on a good number of things for the amount of work you put in.
Tim literally said outloud "frick consumers, I'm going to appeal to publishers instead and they won't have a choice". That is literally his mission statement for EGS and it shows.
i only remember cliffy saying stuff like that
>You mean the guy who told everyone on PC to frick off, called them all pirates, and said all the money was on consoles, took his ball and went home? Yeah, a real consumer interested selfless hero.
Tim is just an arsehole who hates Linux because he can't back down an argument.
Post proof of this
I mean video or audio if it's an article you can frick off
He's just giving the entire market some horrible ideas, but luckly they failed
>He's just giving the entire market some horrible ideas, but luckly they failed
The foundation of his EGS empire is nothing but a game designed to exploit children and to make things worse is a worse version of the game he stole the ideas from.
I'm ok with monopoly if it's owned by Steam.
So long as Gabe isn't dead, yes.
Unironically yes.
I'd absolutely prefer a benevolent monopoly over a shit moronic greedy competitive market, like the one currently destroying gaming.
>implying Steam hasn't destroyed PC gaming
Right now Valve tries to destroy console gaming, by literally advertising their shit as a way to illegally play Switch games
>Right now Valve tries to destroy console gaming,
GOOD. UNIRONICALLY GOOD.
Console gaming is only for lazy/moronic homosexuals
>everything should be a digital download with always online DRM, locking you out of your devices
Frick off, moron.
>meanwhile sony has DRM locked disc drives for the PS5
>DRM locked disc drives
lmao
What is that even supposed to mean?
you MUST connect your PS5 to the internet and have it authenticated through snoy to use the disk drive. And IIRC the authentication only lasts for a few months, then you MUST re-authenticate again.
so Snoy is copying Valve
Who cares anyway, it's Snoy.
Only a moron would buy anything from them after PS3.
Disc drives for the PS5 that literally will not work until you connect them to the internet and register it to your account and PS5
>you need to connect DISC DRIVES to the internets
So similar to what Valve has been doing for 20 years.
Tell your homosexual devs to sell you a physical copy.
>always online DRM
Using Steam DRM is a choice the DEVS make when putting a game on steam.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
There are hundreds of games that launch without steam open.
For example I can launch BG3 directly from the executable without steam even popping up.
>but you need to be online to download the game!
Yes
Once
Then you slap it on an external and hoard it forever.
>There are hundreds of games that launch without steam open.
Irrelevant, you need always online DRM to download+install them in the first place
kys, shill
there are no DRM free games on Steam, because Valve doesn't allow direct downloads via web browser, like GOG does.
Again that's on your homosexual devs.
I can get factorio straight from the creators website and stick it on a USB (which I have done before)
Your shitty purchase habits are on YOU not steam.
Maybe try supporting devs that give you multiple choices instead of selling to one fricking store.
>straight from the creators website
So not from Steam, got it.
>it's you
I'm not subscribing to shit on Steam, are you mentally moronic?
Steam is always online DRM, there are no DRM free games on Steam, it's literally impossible because Valve are a bunch of greedy parasites.
Buy your game from a different store homosexual
>but it's not there
Then it's a shit game from a shit developer
are you moronic?
I'm not subscribing to shit on Steam, because Steam sucks.
I'm not talking about steam homosexual
But your game from a different storefront or from the devs themselves.
>Trying to frick over Linux
you are gay and moronic
rabbit!
>He's trying to save gamers from a monopoly
Then why doesn't he support Linux? Windows has just as big of a "monopoly" on PC gaming than Valve does.
Because timmy screams monopoly at any company he sees is standing in his way of dominance, and Microsoft (for now) isn't one of them so their monopoly is ok
Specifically because Valve has made Linux and FOSS their thing. Its literally "Oh you breathe air? Well frick you, I'ma breath water how do you like that I'm not a cuck like you air breathers" situation, drowning in an inch of their own piss instead of admitting whomever they're annoyed at may have a good idea.
>"dont worry PC gamers, ill save you from the evil valve monopoly!"
>does the same thing as valve but worse
Maybe he should try making a better service instead of using the law.
nah he's a fricked up capitalist just like the rest of them
the difference is he tries to mask it
>make a worse service in every way. Even 2000s Steam was better than EGS.
He's a dumb c**t that needs to fire all the pajeet EGS programmers and designers right now.
Not all monopolies are bad, also Steam constantly adds shit and improves their platform. Several indie devs owe their success to Gaben, Timmy is just trying to farm shekels for the CCP and horde more TV remotes.
to this day ive seen zero reason given by egs as to why steam is le bad
Die. Him buying out games to be exclusives is killing any interest in them.
If you are not interested, then... what's the problem?
>save
wants to break it up so all the publishers are free to exploit everyone as they please
>He's trying to save gamers from a monopoly and he's hated for it
Because it's a monopoly we LIKE
They hated him because he told the truth
name one thing anti-competition that valve has done
Its too good so its not fair to EGS
>look Mom, I posted it again
If tim hates monopolies so much,
>Why won't he let Fortnite run on Linux to combat microsoft's monopoly? Why has he additionally outright said it's like "moving to canada"?,
>Why does he MONOPOLIZE games to his store with exclusivity deals?
>Why does he make reviews opt in? "Professional" publications who have demonstrated in the past to be untrustworthy have a monopoly on reviews without user reviews.
>Why does he want to show up now, once valve already took a risk and built a PC market, after previously saying that PC and that consoles are better?
>Why does he not acknowledge GOG? He clearly knows about itch io since epic bought itchio, which by the way, buying itch is pretty monopolistic.
Most of all
>Why do we have to hear epic shills trying to FUD steam forever till the end of time even though people repeatedly state the reasons they won't go to epic and use steam/GOG instead only to get ignored? He sure is acting like a monopoly does, where they think their money wiener is big enough now to ignore user feedback, after all, "Publishers decide the store wars, not customers" - Tim's own words.
Nobody's buying it, both literally and figuratively, that's why there's articles stating that even with fortnite money epic is not profitable. Maybe if they spent time improving their service instead of paying shills to whine on Ganker they'd get somewhere.
Because Tim is selective on who he deems a monopoly, he targets Steam and mobile because he wants his store to be the big fish in town making billions being the middleman because it loosely relates to his dream of making a fortnite metaverse
Too bad, he doesn't get a fricking participation trophy just because he and a bunch of people that were hired by epic whine endlessly about steam on the internet.
I would have given epic a chance back in the day when it was starting out and epic was just first trying their hand at this whole storefront thing if instead of getting hardcore buttmad about other stores they let the quality of their own speak for itself through updates. Instead, we have endless assmad from Tim about valve, an Unreal Tournament franchise that no longer exists outside of fricking piracy, a storefront that pisses people off and took 3 years to add something as simple as a god damn shopping cart, and a CEO that so frequently displays how much of a fricking hypocrite he is that even fricking moron normalgay redditors who normally are so stupid they unironically go to bat for disney could see it and made "r/TimCriticizesTim" just to document all the hypocrisy.
It's amazing how the last few years of aggressive behavior and Tim being a moron online and in the courtroom has turned any topic surrounding Epic into a garbage fire
>has turned any topic surrounding Epic into a garbage fire
It is only appropriate when Epic is itself garbage.
They hate you for you speak the truth
I'm not lying.
The damage Valve has done to PC gaming is irreparable. Even if Valve dies, what I loved about PC gaming isn't coming back. At most I'd have closure.
forced exclusivity isn't a better alternative either moron
>muhnaboly
and yet all the games are the same price, except on Epic where the games are MORE expensive
if you guys think 30% is bad for videogames
just wait until you find out how much your local grocer is israeliteing you
regularly 30% on items that you MUST have in your kitchen if you want to eat anything
frozen, specialty, and prices during holidays were extra bad
and these fricks would regularly plead with the gov't for more free EBT money while then complaining about their workers wanting to be paid more
what they failed to realize was that the reason they were getting shit workers and uppity nignogs as cashiers who would fail to show up half the time was because they were paying like shit
you pay shit wages
you get shit workers
but they didn't care because they got free money from the gov't via EBT
so the next time your local grocer b***hes about walmart ask them why they aren't running a tighter ship so they can have better prices like walmart
>Punished Timmy : A man denied his storefront
>tf2 store
>can buy any cosmetic whenever I want
>fortnite store
>can buy cosmetics only when tim says so
hmmmm I wonder which is worse for the industry tbh!
timmy held ff7r hostage so i pirated that shit. He is an anti consumer moron
>FF7R
>Released several months later on PC
>Released exclusively on EGS at the time
>$70 and shit at launch
Thank you for the 12% cut, Tim, really helped
Literally kys
>save gamers
>by anti-consumerism
He is trying to fight steam with unhealthy competition and Timmy, like the moron he is, tries to take the moral ground by suing literally everyone for their cut they take from creators. Its like having a corrupted politician yelling how corrupted his peers are. Highly hypocritical.
Unironically, only AI slop and NFTshit games are EGS future
So... support for windows 7 users + regional prices for argentina and turkey coming soon?
maybe he should provide a platform worth using instead of holding games hostage by bribing the developers for exclusivity and pissing everyone off
but enough about Sony
ohhh you're so sued
ok but is it active
Its got a million posts in under a year
>cropping out the troon's profile pic
lmao
xhe's right you know
Jesus Christ, thanks for actually pointing this out and making me look
a true Ganker classic, people used to go to resetera to fish for shit to repost, now they just follow troons on twitter
>so obsessed with trannies he misses trannies when they're omitted
wuh hapen?
Will give it a try. Frick Ganker for ip blocking my country many times. FRICK YOU FOR ASKING ONLY SCAMMY BITSHITCOINS
Where is UT Timmy
Where'd you hide its body
Penny Arcade made a comic taunting him today
But the real comedy is in the article accompanying it, Bald is writing unironic "this is why we need communism" thinkpieces now
in case anyone thought I was exaggerating, this is the most I've laughed at PA in years
>I LOVE BREADTUBERS AND COMMUNISM
>Proceeds to have unpaid interns make all his new comics
Champaign communists never think that they'll be the first against the wall
He has a point. Issue is however that communism ultimately leads to zero property rights and a failure to respect skilled labor over basic labor (given the labor value theory).
He isn't wrong tho, when he says (I preface):
>"if the idiots at the helm had slightly more strategy or slightly leas contempt for the lives they stripmine, they could've kept the grift going indefinitely ".
..and he isn't wrong.
This is the thing about the entire system, half of em are morons and the other half are too greedy.
They could've milked this cow for centuries, moved us into the stars and found more resources to milk us for, but they couldn't slow it down even a tiny bit.
And frankly, I think that was all Trump ever tried to do/point out, telling them " hey morons, stop taking all the cookies, these stupid plebs are happy if you leave them 1 cookie each, but you want all the cookies for yourselves".
>zero property rights
you already can't actually own a home, thanks to ground tax.
I agree, its a farce to own land, because you dont, and this is an issue.
Spend a decade like i have building and creating value to the land i bought, which was originally an empty overgrown worthless plot that now has a house, a barn, plowed fields and can support a flock of chickens and small herd of livestock.
I did all of that. they want more money from me now because I made it worth more.
fricking greedy Black folk.
>AT THE VERY LEAST, taxed once on land that you "bought".
youre advocating for serfdom and you dont even realize it, moron.
youre exactly why i will hang commies from trees if i am ever free to do so.
>youre advocating for serfdom
who are you quoting? what are you on about?
>who are you quoting? what are you on about?
i am quoting the fricking moronic commie who thinks ground taxes are justified.
thats literally serfdom.
educate yourself moron.
>land based tax isn't justified
it's totally legitimate if you think that, but I think you're a deranged anarchist though
>it's totally legitimate if you think that
so you're advocating for serfdom.
Exactly what i said before you stupid fricking commie.
i'm advocating for social state with liberal laws yes
I don't enjoy anarchism for obvious reasons
why are americans so obsessed with the socialism boogeyman?
ground tax should be illegal, but it's the way to force you into the system. Even if you grow and make your own food, you still have to pay "taxes", which is literlly robbery
it is. and you cant get off the grid cuz youre forced to pay in dollars.
So you always have to interact with their israeli system.
ive said a compromise on land taxes would be to allow the govt to place a lien on property for unpaid taxes if you ever sell or if it moves out of the direct family.
but taking land/property for unpaid taxes is evil and is literal robbery as you said.
It's insane, i miss a year and im at risk of losing EVERYTHING ive done here. And they wont even give me the equity I do have once they've sold the property to recoup the taxes they claim i owe
>"TAXES ARE ROBBERY" shouted the basement dwelling virgin who has survived his entire life on NEETbux and mom's tendies
So you wouldn't mind if the government took your personal property and used it for whatever embezzlement scam mislabeled as education or healthcare.
Hold still.
Don't like it? Move to a different country.
I prefer to make one out of the corpse of the modern USA. There should universal deductions on property taxes for residential properties. The only tax that is less of a theft is sales tax and even then there must be exemption on essentials like foodstuffs and medical care.
>zero property rights
at the end of the day, all land on one nation already technically belongs to all citizens, which is why you are, AT THE VERY LEAST, taxed once on land that you "bought".
I only bought Strangers in Paradise from the Epic Store. I have no plans to buy anything from them again.
If he likes socialism so much, then he would not mind if the government dictated content on video games, holds exclusive say on categorization, and bans games that are denied categorization similar to Australia. Perhaps he should support the government dictating the content of his shitty webcomics that have gone downhill over the past 11 or 12 years.
Also, those other countries appeal to tourists and third world Black and Brown invaders while throwing more of their own populations under the bus with "hate speech" policies and back of the line social welfare. Canada now encourages doctors to have patients commit toaster in bathtub.
>be me
>autist expelled from public schools
>get super blackpilled from other internet doomposters
>attend bottom-tier state college after
>very low hopes for success but trudge along anyways in part thanks to parents with expectations
>get phd, strong publication record, and a six figure job immediately after
>currently worth $550k and have a condo mostly paid off
Nearly every single person I know irl that's complaining about how hard it is to make it is some fricking middle class gamer/internet-addict that never tried for anything real. Virtually every first gen Mexican gets further in life than these fricking 30 year old boomer e-communists that spend their life from age 13 onwards reading leftist gamer comics and engaging with leftist gamer subreddits and twitter communities.
your dnd shit sucks baldie
All these years to improve and refine his writing, and Tycho still writes at a second year university level. Grim
>Years after years of corporate greed fricking over players and workers alike while execs and the investor class profit
>blatant firing of thousands who will have to deal with the holiday season worrying if their savings will hold out, findinganother job etc...but an executive can still get a celeb to come perform at their birthday party
>NO NO NOT NOT THE GOMMUNISM HOW DARE WORKERS MAYBE CONTROL THINGS INSTEAD OF A TINY GROUP OF EXPLOITATIVE FRICKTARDS NOBODY CAN POINT IT OUT OR SAY TEH BAD WORD
So do you either love the taste of the boot or is this just some sort of culture warrior reaction where the moment someone mentions Socialism you shriek like a pod person?
What is the communist solution to prevent anyone from ever getting fired from their job again?
I'm pretty sure you really don't care about the answer but the issue isn't "nobody will ever get fired ever again"but rather the system wouldn't have vested interest in firing people so that you could cook the books in a way that benefits only exec management and those at the top , who don't have to deal with any of the ramifications of their decisions.
None of this is necessarily "communist" either , but on the basest level of socialism (meaning workers owning and controlling the means of production ) would be running the company as a co-op, everyone would get to vote on certain policies and governance, instead of a bunch of external shareholders who bought their way in with money (ie this is why we have a system the values capital more than labor, a major issue with pretty much everything described as "globohomo") who dont' give two fricks about anything but return of investment, would certainly prevent the issue described.
What the frick is he talking about? Does he want Timmy to fire everyone to get Eminem in his birthday party?
No, he's saying that Epic recently firing 1,000 workers was to reallocate money to license Eminem for Fortnite
Which in case you're wondering isn't vague hypothetical sarcasm
Epic got rid of shit like Bandcamp, Songtradr and Superawesome. A bunch of shitty companies they never should've bought in the first place.
People are pretending like these layoffs actually matter to the game's industry when they really don't.
Bandcamp is really good but you're right that Epic had no business in buying them up
The issue is that had they not been picked up by Epic for this bullshit, they may have been able to thrive elsewhere. Timmy deciding to pick up all these subsidiaries to create a kabuki play for investors even if they do nothing to improve the core business is the problem. His failure isn't being born by the execs and investors of Epic, but of all the workers at Bandcamp and wherever else that were absorbed. Timmy doesn't have to answer for his bad decisisons, he still gets his birthday with eminem, everyone else has to find new jobs because frick them.
This is the the issue with so much business now and including in the games industry. Some execs make shitty decisions, load up a game with shitty by the numbers fad chasing bullshit and ensure its mediocre and releases long before it was tested propery and content was finished, jammed it full of Denuvo licenses andlootboxes etc Do they , after releases come in say "gee, we really fricked that up. Look, no end of quarter bonuses to the board and upper management. We can't afford it and we made a shitty bet, lets learn from it?" No, of course not they say "Oh we have no idea why Game X didn't connnect with its audience! The team that worked on the game and did what we demanded we do and every change we made,we'll just fire em because it "didn't meet expectations". We still get ourbonuses of course. Just as well, some of them were asking for raises after being here for years anyway. We can just hire new ones, or bring the old ones back at 'adjusted' salaries if they're willing when we recruit for the next project. Now, who's coming to my birthday party? Bring coke to do off Nikki Minaj's ass!"
Modern western companies pay their execs mostly in stock options specifically to address this issue by tying the success of the company to executive bottom lines. The people at the bottom have to find new jobs, yeah, but their savings accounts don't take a hit from these decisions. If the company has good governance policies, execs feel the hit.
Epic got BandCamp and Songtradr for their upcoming Rock Band mode in Fortnite, people are speculating they are gonna release DIY instruments in a confirmed collab with Lego, but since they also bought Harmonix (Rock Band creators) they chopped Songtrdr and Bandcamp
For Superawesome, Timmy wanted Roblox success with their current Roblox mode in Fortnite, but they got skibdi toilet tycoon maps instead.
I recall it more as being a deranged ploy in their anti-Steam/Apple cases. Like "look! we're not just a publisher of games, we have other media on our service!"
Also, why on earth would a company who's primary business is SELLING music be bought to help MAKE a music game? That doesn't make any sense.
Epic basically admitted they bought Bandcamp to use as a bargaining chip in their trials.
Except we already know they fired a bunch of game devs, you can't cover their ass with muh bandcamp
Ahh, that makes much more sense.
Wtf Penny Arcade still exists? Why
>Glass is fuller in the last frame
HUH?
Words words words words
>bald
>pig like
>make steam, but I can turn the automatic updates off
Sold. Never looking back.
Cool website my African American amigo. Just for the record, everything I’ve ever said or posted has been solely sarcastic.
This Black person ate my remote
o i am laffin
>Valve drone can't go one day without sucking off Gabe
>at the same time, he can't go one day without seething about Tim
The Valve drone lives for Valve. He cares about it more than Gabe himself.
>Make a storefront that's for studio benefit rather than customers
>Is surprised when it doesn't go well
Maybe ask some of these game devs getting bigger revenue cuts to buy some games for themselves.
Nooo that billionaire deserves a cut of the PC game industry too
six (6) years of store wars threads and what does tim have to show for it?
a dog meme.
there's isn't a bigger clown in video games.
more like Epic Fail Store kek. someone post the dog with remote
lol wat remote?
theres no remote here
never was
it just aint a thing
like my ''monopoly plans''
pls use egs btw
saved thx
can I erp with other men over text on this board like I used to do on a different liveboard's Ganker
>liveposting
>every thread is a general
Your site is a glorified discord server.
most meguca clones only have one live thread per board so it's somehow an improvement
ive been playing and emulating on pc for the past 25 years. let me be serious with all who read this shitpost. i dont evem see console gamers as people. if you only play on console youre literally Black person cattle to me
>let me be serious
>i dont evem see console gamers as people
Good lord you need a job.
imagine being poor
Epic had much of the modding community in their corner as Valve did at that time. Games like Killing Floor and Red Orchestra started out as UT 2004 mods. They could have started the same type of service as Valve did with steam, but they didn't bother.
alright i checked this out and the site is dogshit, no active threads except the ones about tiktok, /l/ and blacked
>sues valve to allow egs to put their store front on steam, but keep all the money from purchases
>valve goes "sure, so we can put our games on your store, and keep the money"?
>the lawsuit vanishes into thin air, no one knows where it went...
Todd won
man, timmy sure is angry when is storefront is failing. guess he shouldn't have put all his egs in one basket!
Carlos!
CARLOOOOOOS
EGS still shits on Steam though. Cope.
>EGS still shits on Steam though. Cope.
so true bro but these drones dont know shit
personally I love the free games. what is your favorite part about EGS, comrade?
valve being called a monopoly and steamgays a cult is hilarious to me because every other competitor that isnt GOG sucks massive fricking wiener and doesnt even try to provide the services steam does. Everyone wants a piece of the PC gaming pie but nobody wants to even try
>le services
I care about buying games, owning them and being able to keep on playing them.
Steam fails at this simple matter.
>but the forums
don't care
>but the achievements
kys
>doesnt mention modding
>doesnt mention multiplayer support
>modding
you mean copyright violations?
>multiplayer
That's on the game devs
anon you were doing a pretty decent troll and then you had to blow it by being too obvious
>without Steam there would be no multiplayer
You are mentally ill.
>Valve invented multiplayer
Valve invented gambling and loot boxes.
>modding
>you mean copyright violations?
Self-immolate immediately
it is literally copyright violations, kys moron
oh yeah, no one mentioned PAID MODS, literally another scam by the Valve parasite
>but but but they changed that when even the Steam sheeple went angary
It was Bethesda who brought it to valve.
And valve apologized and haven't tried to bring it back since.
Yes it was massive frickup, and while Bethesda did reimplement paid mods in their own launcher, valve hasn't.
That's fair IMO.
>it...it's Bethesda
Valve loved the idea, didn't they, these greedy parasitic bankers
>they apologized
lmao
yeah when even Steamies wake up about something, you know that you fricked up.
Too greedy, but they can try another time.
One of the companies mentioned insisted on making paid mods a thing, the other one didn't. I'll leave figuring out which is which to you.
>both companies tried to pull the paid mods stunt
>but Valve are good and not criminals
>also Valve apologized, despite having done nothing at all
>it was Bethesda, and they cloned Gabe to make him promote paid mods
lmao
Why do Steamies worship a fat israelite?
they are mentally ill.
Why do you worship a bald israelite?
proof next thread?
>still can't customize your own account
lol
lmao
> gaben: plays vidya on his yacht, collects knives and eats 8000 calorie cookies
> timmy: not a turner, sues everyone who is smarter than him, probably doesn't even pay shills but does it himself
it's a close one for sure
>thread has timmy in it's title
YOU ARE READING PAID FOR CONTENT !
good morning sirs !
YOU ARE READING PAID FOR CONTENT !
good morning sirs !
YOU ARE READING PAID FOR CONTENT !
good morning sirs !
YOU ARE READING PAID FOR CONTENT !
so you are posting paid content, got it.
this thread reads like tim himself is itt having a fit wtf
WHERE'S THE DRM FREE GAMES TIMMY
YOU KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN
If Tim was smart, he would make his good programmers that did Unreal Engine create a proper light weight client, and also allow direct downloads of DRM free games via web browser, and also announce that Windows XP+7 will get supported forever, so that all games keep on working
But all of that takes effort, valve monopoly!!!!
>changs crying about lootboxes and battlepasses
>when fortnite battlepass scams are the main way it makes money
also a friendly reminder, when fortnite first launched the ONLY way to get new guns, characters, traps, and progress the game in general was by buying lootboxes to get gear
>fortnite battle passes
LITERALLY free
>you only got new guns via Fortnite battle pass
lmao, you are mentally moronic.
>I meant skins, skins, weapon skins, not new guns
lmao
>buy Fortnite Save the World
>get literally unlimited vbucks for free
>vbucks dispenser hasn't stopped, even years later
lmao
meanwhile on Steam
>Pay 2.50 USD to unlock this loot box
>EGSjeet can't read
"in Fortnite you didn't get NEW GUNS only via loot boxes"
mentally moronic lying moron
Fortnite Battle Royale never had loot boxes in the first place
>rahjeesh is seething that someone who played the PVE version of fortnite is calling out the horseshit epic did with the game
>When I say Fortnite, I actually mean Save the world
Funny that you ignore the fact that Save the World is literally a vbucks dispenser, which means you don't have to pay anything. Instead you get vbucks for free.
Meanwhile at Steam you literally have to pay 2.50 USD for every loot box
And Epic stopped with that shit by themselves anyway. Valve hasn't.
literally the only way you progressed in the PVE mode was buying lootboxes, then the courts made them stop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortnite:_Save_the_World
Players gain rewards through these missions to improve their hero characters, support teams, and arsenal of weapon and trap schematics to be able to take on more difficult missions.
The game was initially supported through microtransactions to purchase in-game loot boxes that could be used towards these upgrades.
it seems you are lying.
Players gain rewards through these missions to improve their hero characters, support teams, and arsenal of weapon and trap schematics to be able to take on more difficult missions.
Players gain rewards through these missions to improve their hero characters, support teams, and arsenal of weapon and trap schematics to be able to take on more difficult missions.
stop lying homosexual.
literally a pay to win game at launch
>pay2win
Save the World was never competitive, moron
Also stop lying.
Competitive Battle Royale Fortnite never had loot boes, now cope and give Gabe more money for loot boes in a paid game
>spend real money
>you are flat out better than anyone else whos playing without spending money
>in this non-competitive game, you were able to win
nope, Steamie.
It's not competitive, but cooperative.
you would know that if you played it.
and it's literally a vbucks dispenser
Of course instead you are making shit up, that aren't true.
keep seething shill
>free copies of GTA online a decade after it came out!!! thank you timmy now I can buy shark cards!
*GTA 5
keep coping, while you PAID for GTA 5 to get GTA Onlne, and thus get fricked over
>and it's literally a vbucks dispenser
Shill alert!
>and it's literally a vbucks dispenser*
>*if you turn it into a second job where you slave away at quests daily
lol
lmao
I think I'll keep my real job and give timmy 5€ when I want to jerk off to the new skin with a nice ass thanks cuck
>Fortnite is Save the World
Save the World was a flop.
Fortnite is Battle Royale + Creative, cope
Stop lying
>all the money timmy spends on shills and all they can muster is going "NU-UH THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN" like a 4 year old
>REMINDER!
>YOU CAN'T SELL YOUR GAME ON OTHER STORES (THAT MIGHT HAVE LOWER PUBLISHING FEES) FOR A LOWER PRICE THAN YOU DO ON STEAM IF YOU ALSO SELL YOUR GAME ON STEAM
>TOTALLY NOT A MONOPOLY BTW!
>telling lies on the internet
shiggy diggy
>sell game on steam, using its infrastructure for distribution, multiplayer, and support
>piss your pants in rage when you aren't allowed to sell steam copies of a game through your own site for a fraction of the cost and pocket all the money
>it's okay when they price fix
lmao
It's surprising that Steamies went angry about paid mods, theyaccept and defend literally everything else.
devs set the price of their own games
not steams fault the dogfricker is too stupid to realize you can't sell steam copies on a third party site for a fraction of the price
abuse of monopoly powers
if there was a rule of law, Gabe would in jail.
Don't sell steam copies on your own website, furgay. But you don't want to do that because that means you would have to pay for server space to have people download the game from you
>you are not allowed to sell your own product on your website as well when you sell it at this supermarket
Abuse of monopoly powers
>sell product in super market at agreed price
>put up posters all over the market telling people to buy the product from your garage instead for cheaper
>you aren't actually selling the product, you're selling a voucher to get the product for free from the market and pocketing all the money while the market has to handle distributing and supporting the product
>you can't sell your product for a cheaper price anywhere else when you sell at our supermarket
Illegal.
learn to read furry, steam cracks down on russoid key sellers for the same reason
>it...it's the Russians
>key reselling is illegal!!!
lmao
>just buy them at another store
>noooo, reselling is bad and illegal!!!
kys furgay
nothing stops you from selling a game on your own store and steam
you can't sell steam keys for less than the steam price to try scam the system
>put game on steam for 60$
>link back to your website where its sold for 40$
>get to avoid steam getting a cut + get free advertising
>this is somehow a monopoly
>BUT WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE SELLING STEAM KEYS FOR A LOWER PRICE ON THEIR OWN WEBSITE!!! HAHA!!!!
not what I'm arguing about moron
What are you arguing about then moron
I will try to explain my argument for you morons who think I'm the guy you're arguing with (I'm not)
or you think I'm talking about steam keys sold somewhere else....
>GAME A IS SOLD ON STEAM FOR 10 MUTTERINOS WITH A 30% PUBLISHING FEE
>GAME A IS ALSO SOLD ON GOG FOR 10 MUTTERINOS WITH A 15% PUBLISHING FEE
>WHY?
>BECAUSE IF YOU SELL YOUR GAME ON STEAM, YOU CAN'T SELL THE SAME GAME ON GOG FOR A LOWER PRICE
have I explained it better? am I talking about fricking "steam copies"?
monster girl manager is cheaper on itch than it is on steam, how can that be allowed if what you are saying is true? Go read the steamworks documentation, it specifically states you cannot charge less when selling a steam key(limited time discounts aside). You can sell your game at any price you want on other platforms.
>monster girl manager released on steam for 8,99 mutterinos and later the dev raised the price to 12,49
so what happened? did valve give you a special contract or some shit?
cool shit dev bro!
I do invite you to actually read ALL the steamworks documentation, forget about the "steam copies" shit, no one gives a frick about that on this thread...
He read the rules of the contract, furgay. Its not hard
>furgay this furgay that
what the frick is a furgay? what are you on about? who are you quoting?
The point is that you are allowed to sell your game cheaper on other sites. There is no "special contract" needed. Many other games do it.
>10 is cheaper than 8.99
???
>stalker call of pripyat is like 5 dollars on steam
>its 3 dollars on fanatical
hmmm....
>fanatical
>steam keys
not this shit again...
>steam key is cheaper on a third party website so that means you're wrong
who are you quoting? what are you on about? who's talking about steam keys?
some schizo furry is seething because the overgrowth guy is making a moron of himself trying to sue steam for doing illegal key seller shit
hes even more moronic as his website was selling steam keys for $40, this is what made steam take notice. If he was selling the game without any steam stuff and distributed from his own server steam wouldn't have done anything
>YOU CAN'T LINK TO YOUR OWN WEBSITE when you sell at this supermarket
Supermarkets have no problems with URLs on products, what's the problem?
And using the supermarket's services to host and provide the game
But that's not true? Ubishit does it all the time on their launcher. Origin also did all the time on their launcher. Sony is doing it right now with Horizon. Larian with DivOS2.
>piss your pants in rage when you aren't allowed to sell steam copies of a game through your own site for a fraction of the cost and pocket all the money
not what I argued...
>YOU ARE LYING
nope 🙂
>YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STEAM COPIES -ACK
>YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STEAM COPIES -ACK
>YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STEAM COPIES -ACK
nope...
is this a falseflag pro valve guy just being deranged or is this dude legit?
I will try to explain my argument for you morons who think I'm the guy you're arguing with (I'm not)
or you think I'm talking about steam keys sold somewhere else....
>GAME A IS SOLD ON STEAM FOR 10 MUTTERINOS WITH A 30% PUBLISHING FEE
>GAME A IS ALSO SOLD ON GOG FOR 10 MUTTERINOS WITH A 15% PUBLISHING FEE
>WHY?
>BECAUSE IF YOU SELL YOUR GAME ON STEAM, YOU CAN'T SELL THE SAME GAME ON GOG FOR A LOWER PRICE
have I explained it better? am I talking about fricking "steam copies"?
you're misinformed, there is nothing preventing you from selling your game on GOG or anywhere else for a lower price
>i'm misinformed
nope
then provide a source from valve for your claim
>go through corporate files and find me the one paragraph 🙂
no, but instead I invite you to find me one game sold cheaper on another store (not steam key) that is also sold on steam
pc store comparison, not pc and console comparison BASED moronO
show me one game where I'm wrong then
base price comparison obviously based morono
Feudalism is communism now?
EGS won. Steam lost. Cope.
that fund is unironically dead and has been for about 2 months now. got killed by interest rates
These are some of the most moronic arguments I’ve ever read
I think this dude is just trying really hard to troll
>Valve celebrates their first shipped game by releasing it for free and adding quality of life improvements
>Epic meanwhile wipes Unreal from all storefronts, shuts down master servers and pretend that UT never existed
Okay epoojeets
explain why Epic is better than valve
I do not care about the publisher's cut as prices have not gone down, and games are MORE expensive on EGS
I do not care decade old games that are free, I already own those games
I do not care about "monopolies" as the soft monopoly with valve is and has been good for the consumer
>least deranged steamjeet
lol, no one is saying that epig is better than steamie other than you brigadingtards lmao
>no answer
>no answer
who are you quoting? what are you on about?
>makes bait thread about epig
>woah bruvs why are you so finna bad about dis? I don't care lads, ya not changing me mind, so sod off!
xd
>u-u-u-ur baiting
I've asked this same question in multiple EGS threads, not once has a jeet been able to answer why I should use EGS over valve, or GoG
because Valve hates your guts and fricks you over anyway they like and want to.
Also on Steam you have to obey what Valve demands.
On GOG you don't.
On EGS you get games for free.
>valve hates your guts
but Epic is the only store that has gone of record saying they hate the customers and only care about the publishers
>Epic is the only store
that gives you at least 1 free game per week
cope
>jeet
why do you call them "jeets"?
what is a "jeet"?
am I a "jeet"?
are the "jeets" in the walls with you?
is it a coping mechanism first made by poo poo coloured americans/first gen african immigrants?
I'm really curious where all this "jeet" thing came from
Steamies are racist, and that makes sense because leftists are racist.
which is funny because america has a huge population of people of india descent
LMAO
Why do egs shill pretend that Gaben isnt one of the best thing that happend to PC gaming
because the only people on the planet that are willing to use EGS are fortnite zoomers
because epic hates the PC market and timmy has a bruised ego from Gabe proving him wrong
>has a bruised ego
This is Tim's problem in the end, he's fricking sour because nothing he's tried other than ripping off PUBG has worked and what worked is essentially someone else's idea.
It will be interesting the day Fortnite fades into the background replaced by something else.
Because it's their job to try and make the competition look bad, try and stifle its organic traffic
What do you think the definition of shill is?
Gaben is great and can be trusted with a monopoly, but what happens when Gabe is no longer at the helm?
Right, you morons can't think that far, nevermind.
>Gaben is great and can be trusted with a monopoly
lmao
>but what happens when Gabe is no longer at the helm?
absolute control falls over to whoever's next in line at valve and is second-oldest, probably robin walker or a similar other oldhead
and unless everyone at valve suddenly and instantaneously drops their fricking frontal lobes, no, they won't go public trade or otherwise massively endanger the company and PC gaming by extension in the span of five minutes
gaben understands that he is competing directly with piracy. the second steam becomes an inconvenience people will just switch to piracy
What's funny is Steam and Gaben were genuinely starting to flag in PR for awhile. And yet Epic ended up completely catalyzing a bunch of people to go "well hang on, actually Steam, its service, and its policies are pretty great." Literally just making people realize how bad things could be. Now there's a bunch of people spreading the Gospel of Steam, more energized to highlight what they like and proselytize those things to others, informing them of the misconceptions and unsubstantiated critiques being peddled. No one was doing this before, but now by negative example, people feel compelled to defend Steam.
I even think it was precisely that perception of dissatisfaction with Steam and Valve that was the foundation for the entire EGS debacle. You had all these people talking about how Valve doesn't do anything, how Steam is just coasting, how they have Nazis in their forums, how all these great games are being drowned out by trash. This made Epic think they could just dump a bunch of money to muscle their way in with a halfbaked product that justified its deficiencies by spinning them as positives, and rake in the easy money. After all, it's not like Valve actually has to do anything to make money on Steam. How hard could it be?
>timmy lives rent-free inside the head of every Ganker Ganker regular
insane
good marketing though
SIRS DO NOT FRICKING REDEEM THE STEAM
>leddit
you have to go back
BLOODY BASTERD ARE YOU MAD? DO NOT REDEEM THE STEAM YOU SON OF b***h
>some shit about some shit meme about some foreign boogeyman stealing the jobs of poo poo coloured criminals in ohio
yawn, americans can't meme anymore...
>rahj is fuming when hes not scamming 80 year olds out of they money
>rahj
who are you quoting?
NO YOU BLASTERD YOU BLOODY YOU BLOODY. Good day sir.
FUUUUCCCKKKK IM GONNA DISRUPT. IM GONNA FRICKING DISRUPT!
>woah e-celebs got payed to shill????????? NOT ON MY PLATFORM THEY DON'T
>you now remember steam curators...
>t. disrupted
Man what a wonderful shitshow that lawsuit was. It's probably the best thing tim has done as of late.
>this clown thought he could just take 50% of the PC market by giving out free games on his barebones near non-functional storefront
Actual ape
What did he do again?
>open valve
>front page is a mix of games, publisher sales, and a couple porn games
>open EGS
>crypto scams and NTF scams
>timmy tenncent wonders why no one uses his store while he screams that the customers don't matter
>crypto scams and NTF scams
what are you on about?
>shill is once again denying reality
Epic decided to allow crypto games and most are incredibly shady and half assed nit games that are more then likely scams and at one point where all over the storefront no clue if that's still the case though I never really use epic.
It's a wonder people aren't flocking in droves to the egs to buy quality titles like Treasure of the Giantess or Maze Horror
Didn't tim say he wanted the standard quality of games on the egs to be higher or something?
>biting the bait threads of degenerate basement dwelling dweebs who aren't interested ever in what's right or what's wrong but instead are only interested in wasting time trolling people on the mongolian basket weaving website
you should fix yourself bros...
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>hahah frick the players they won't have a choice!
>WTF FRICKING VALVE STOP BEING A GOOD SERVICE I DESERVE 50% OF THE MARKET
>Steam
>Good service
Not for gamers that's for sure
Well gamers keep buying games off of steam so they obviously are getting value out of it
What value are they getting out of it exactly?
built in mod support, cloud saves, forums to directly get in touch with the devs, and talk with other people for troubleshooting issues or sharing tips, reviews on the page to see if the game is a scam or not
>built in mod support
the steam workshop is a barrel full of dogshit, I seriously hope nobody gets their mods from there
>cloud saves
useless zoomer shit
>the steam forums
>fricking steam reviews
all things other sites provide and of much better quality
whats the point of asking if you're just gonna say "doesn't count" no matter what the answer is?
what value does EGS have?
Well I, personally, have gotten amusement from how much of a laughable shitpile it's been. So, you know, it's got *some* value!
>cloud saves
>useless zoomer shit
>steam workshop is a barrel full of dogshit
you not liking the mods featured is a cope
>cloud saves
you not liking cloud saves is a frickong cope
>steam forums bad
>steam reviews bad
>they le do them better elsewhere
name 3 platforms that have forums and a review system better than steam. independent review sites and forums dont fricking count
show me examples of fruits
>well cucumber, watermelon, tomato, potato
half of these are vegetables, watermelon is a berry
>haha shitty meme image
>all things other sites provide and of much better quality
Not true. You have to actually buy the fricking game to leave a review on steam so you can actually know that they are genuine.
>buy the game, play for 5 minutes
>leave a negative review
>refund
you can sort by whatever amount of playtime you want and just disregard any review under x hours
>leave review on steam
>far from 1-10, you can't even give 1 to 5 stars, literally a shit modern "thumbs up/ thumbs down" system like the israelitetube and nigflix
>developer irreparably ruins the game with an update and then calls players racist on twitter
>steam hides all bad reviews (by default!) because due to "a period of off-topic activity"
>always at the mercy of troony moderators anyways
great system!
Now lets see what kind of user review system EGS has
I don't use that chinkshit so I don't care
but pretending a site is amazing and we should shut up and suck gabewiener just because alternatives suck more is only going to make steam worse and worse
shit meant for
>why do people use steam!? they should use epic!
>why should people use epic?
>FRICK U HOW DARE YOU COMPARE THEM ITS FINE THAT EPIC IS WORSE IN EVERY WAY JUST GIVE THEM MONEY
Black person I didn't say any of that calm down schizo
I said it's not bad to criticize steam
you can do whatever you want with your money
Yeah it is actually pretty good. It's a nice tool to suss out the strengths and weaknesses of a game you might be interested in. Also lets you see if a developer had recently fricked up their game.
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>far from 1-10, you can't even give 1 to 5 stars, literally a shit modern "thumbs up/ thumbs down" system like the israelitetube and nigflix
...and that's a good thing.
I hate to agree but I do for the most part. the steam forums should be deleted, it seems populated almost exclusively by belligerent morons. it makes this place look smart by comparison.
I do like the review system, even if most reviews themselves are essays written at a 3rd grade level or useless jokes
anime homosexual
don't use my fap material to shitpost, Black person
don't use my wife for such shit opinions ever again you Black person troon
worst girl. Even four-eyes is better
your mom has 4 eyes
cry harder troony
Fricking C O P E troony
Was it worth it for
>The invention of lootboxes
>The invention of paid skins
>Gambling inventory
>Gambling marketplace
>Uncurated flow of shovelware
>Early Access cancer
>allowing unfinished AAA games that aren't even market as Early Access
>Death of Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike, Half-Life series
No it wasn't worth it
Really gamers got the short end of the stick
>Was it worth it
Yes. I can just ignore the 2 valve games with lootboxes.
>Early Access cancer
Early access games are amazing because you always get ez refunds no matter how many hours you log lmao
>Yes. I can just ignore the 2 valve games with lootboxes.
You abswolute fricktard, Valve unleashed lootboxes on the entire industry, they're everywhere now, even in the fricking singleplayer games. Y$ou absolute fricking subhuman
>MUH INDUSTRY
Oh no, valve ruined fifa, battlefield and Overwatch. THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN MY FAVORITE GAMES!!!
I don't care. I don't play whatever shit game you're talking about so it literally does not affect me. That's like a free to play model thing. It's really easy to just not play shit games.
Yeah I can't believe they put fricking lootboxes into a game like Infra. Calling them "geocaches", disgusting. Why is Valve allowed to get away with this??
unfinished AAA games that aren't even market as Early Access
What fricking games are you talking about and how is it Valves fault for that?
gaming on linux for 1-1000
oh yeah, proton. valve pays FOSS developers like the DXVK dev for existing too
steam input
workshop mods
cloud
community hub, forums, friends, reviews, cheevos, etc
one of the best tools for controller support on PC, so good in fact people force EGS games through steam to get that controller support
>steam input
am I the only one who fricking hates that shit?
I was playing a game and the sensitivity on my mouse was all fricked, and changing the settings did nothing
when I unplugged my controller it suddenly worked fine
turns out it was steam input messing things up
I turned it off and not only did it fix it but even my controller works better too lmao
Steam has a frickton of features from great (Steam Input, forums, workshop) to niche (Cards, pointshop) that provide for a wide range of people, even if you don't bother with 90% of it Steam provides at least something to everyone.
not only does steam have every feature imaginable, but it still manages to run faster than EGS when launching its own games lmao
https://twitter.com/Dachsjaeger/status/1721858886448095707
so what'll happen when steam ends up completely going down the shitter and all the moderators are trannies?
Just be the fortnite guy, stop trying to do everything else.
unironically a higher likelihood of success
>add hella modes
>add actual fricking effort
>make this shit a fricking community event juggernaut
but no, enjoy your farted out character skins, once a year concerts and "creative mode"
shits fricking fricked
unreal engine makes a ton of cash moron
court docs revealed they made way more fricking money with fortnite than unreal, by a huge fricking margin. Unreal+fortnite right now is not solvent thanks to Tiny Tims lawsuits, so consider that.
It makes around $100 million as shown from the court docs, which lets not pretend that isn't a lot but at Epics size of over 4000 employees, that's about $20,000 per employee
>put game up for sale
>sell it at GoG and itch
>if I put it up on steam timmy will seethe and the game will not be allowed on EGS
>if I put it up on EGS valve will not care
>this is somehow valve's fault
Anyone that praises Steam Workshop, review system, and whatever other bloat steam has is also a shill, I'm not defending Epic I hate exclusives, but Workshop, is a far inferior product that offstore mods, and reviews are way better on Youtube.
Also who the frick needs cloud saves, controller support when AppData already has your saves and XInput is most used service?
I'll give props for steam play out of the box, but it's shit in competitive games
That's nice, dear
>is a far inferior product that offstore mods
Black person wut?
nonsense. you want public opinion next to the product the publishers are trying to sell you. Do you really think that the majority of paypigs are going to go look for reviews on another site? no, frick no. paypigs just see something and buy it which is why epig is fricking garbage and the only reason it exists is to cater to publishers who don't want any negativity next to their product. Steam reviews don't even stop people from buying games otherwise EA and Activision wouldn't put their games on there. Every garbage IP they have like NBA or FIFA has mostly negative reviews but there's 500k reviews. which means millions of people bought the game. Epig is just that disingenuous.
Also who the frick needs games on a Linux machine? If you have a decent job chances are you need to use Windows as your main station, and anything can easily break on Linux making you waste precious time, Proton is just another form of opensource spyware on the same level as Visual Code
>Also who the frick needs games on a Linux machine?
I do. I don't need to justify shit to you. Works on my machine, y'know, cause I don't fricking use EGS.
me
frick microsoft
>and anything can easily break on Linux
It is the other way around.
Most people having issues on Linux is because of either using old distro or because they use Nvidia outside of Nvidia's intended use case.
Timmy promised me that he would get me the janny job on Ganker if made threads simping epic games. So I ask you guys to be nicer to him.
Says Tyrone the Black person.
Why should I stop using steam and use EGS? Why is this such a difficult question for the shills to answer?
Only boomers use Steam.
Does anyone know how much money Timmy spent on just Kingdom Hearts exclusivity on his Chinese Epic Store? That IP isn't cheap and they negotiated with the minor demon known as Disney suits. Nintendo couldn't even get Donald, Goofy, and Mickey in Smash Ultimate as minor cameos and yet Timmy got all the Kingdom Hearts PS3 HD ports and the 3rd game on EGS. And it still isn't on Steam or Microsoft PC Store. Do any of you know how insane that is? Even FF7Remake PS4 was ported to PC as a timed exclusive on EGS for about a year then Steam got it, meanwhile Kingdom Hearts PC isn't on Steam well over a year.
That is a lot of fricking money SquareEnix and Disney got to block its release on Steam. Just how fricking much and why Kingdom Hearts out of all was that Timmy's line in the sand against Gabe. I'll never install Epic Chinese Store but I must kneel at the caliber of money Timmy is putting out to block games off Steam.
Wasn't that in the lawsuit documents? Or was that after, I don't remember
Apparently they paid something like $250 million for the KH3 exclusivity deal, Borderlands 3 also costed them an arm and a leg for exclusivity too. It's kind of mindblowing just much they threw away on those deals.
Holy smokes that's like the budget of GTA5.
Quarter of a billion isn't anything to scoff at. I don't actually know how much KH3 would've sold on steam but to the Square suits I don't blame them for taking the deal. Who wouldn't turn down an easy 250 MILLION? Even if it sells like shit on pc who cares? They'll still sell their copies on the playstation anyway
Imagine if timmy spent all that money on making a game that people might like, or getting top of the line servers and shit for the EGS
>getting top of the line servers and shit for the EGS
AWS isn't cheap
Squee has a special relationship with epig because they use Unreal for a lot of their games. I'm sure part of that agreement has to do with Squee not having to pay their 10% to unreal. That's good for investors. but Kingdom Hearts was a sham because they wanted like 70 dollars for each of the three games and it was cracked within an hour of release. There is no fricking way Squee made much money off of that, which they probably knew beforehand. Aside from the millions they gave Squee, there must have been something else in the deal. It makes you wonder if Kingdom Hearts is the first forever exclusive. I've been thinking they would try it at some point.
Keep paying for Fortnite battlepasses, Tim's not given away a good enough game for me to get the Epic app yet.
guys, where can i buy rocket league for the PC?
3 years ago
>buy
homie it's free
It's like it just ceased to exist.
that's what you get for making raven limited in the shop you mongoloid remote chewing israelite
Epic is closing before Blocklords comes out of beta. God DAMN IT.
Pic related is my honest reaction.
He kinda looks like a c**t NGL
What I don't get is that the epic launcher has no fricking features after half a decade (feels like they're phoning it in at this point) yet it somehow manages to be significantly slower to launch games than steam. You can't even argue that it's meant to be done sort of laser focused experience for you to play your games and nothing more
>Half Life
>Dota
>TF2
>L4D
>Portal
>Counter Strike
>Alien Swarm
or
>Fortnite
>Unreal Tourn
Epic fricked Rocket League and hid it away in their shitty little store which is only used by Fortnite gays. Psyonix stopped giving a shit about the game ever since they got the Epic bux, its slowly going to die off and take a fun unique game with it.
i thought they frickin fired the rocket league and fall guys guys
>still no user profiles
>still no custom avatars/profile pictures
these are features steam has had for like 15 years, it's beyond pathetic they don't have it yet
>these are features steam has had for like 15 years
Those are also features for 15 year old girls.
>timmy held ff7r hostage so i pirated that shit. He is an anti consumer moron
>twitter image
>twitter image
kys furpedo
>kys furpedo
I bought the Tomb Raider remake trilogy on GOG today
>they hated him for telling the truth
What truth did he tell, that you don't have to care about what gamers want? That all that matters is developer support?
Didn't quite work out like that.
why are steamies so fricking moronic
if publishers pay a higher cost the price of the game is higher.
it's like if a bakery pays higher rent to their landlords the price of bread will be higher
>I'm not paying it the developer is paying
YOU are paying it you fricking Black person
all costs are passed down to the end consumer
Then why do EGS exclusives charge full price anyway? Where's your logic, paste eater?
Looks like I, the customer, pay the same either way and the only difference is who pockets what proportion of my money.
because Valve (steam) tos for developers prohibits having a regular price cheaper elsewhere than on their own store for a game. So you can't just price on Steam at full msrp then discount it 15% for epic permanently.
it's like apple kicking you out of their app store if you sell the app somewhere else at a 20% discount
No it doesn't, unless you're selling steam keys. Which I am 100% certain EGS isn't. Also EGS exclusives aren't on Steam anyway, so what the frick does Valve TOS matter to them? What is Valve the world government now, which has control over every single store?
alright steamie stop huffing and puffing getting all defensive over gaben I will switch out steam for apple and android.
Apple and Android control the entire mobile app marketplace. It's two players. They charge 30% and you have to pay it. Are they entitled to it?
The rules written for monopolies are 100 years out of date. Tech corps have network effects and winner take all platforms. The idea of capitalism is that competition drives down prices and this isn't happening here.
It has to happen. It's not just steam it's all these companies.
Do you get it? Fricking goy
They can charge whatever the frick they want for access to their walled garden device. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft do the exact same shit. Don't like it, make your own device.
That's what Valve did with their Steam Deck. I don't give a frick about your ideas for capitalism when you're whinging about problems created by IP and Trademark law without explicitly advocating for their abolishment.
>just make your own facebook
>just make your own google
>just make your own smartphone ecosystem
It doesn't work like that anymore as I said tech has NETWORK EFFECTS dumbass
These aren't ideas for capitalism it is literally the concept of capitalism.
Competition drives prices lower. Adam smith warned against monopolies.
Being a devoted steamie turns you into a bootlicker for corporations
worse than being a troony kys
It doesn't work like that because you get sued for violating patents and copyrights, moron. Even Valve got sued for violating patents over their Steam Deck, good thing they have no shortage of money from that 30% cut they take so they didn't get driven out of business by the lawsuits.
You're the corporate bootlicker, since you are not even willing to admit that these laws used to create monopolies need to be abolished. Corporate law needs to be abolished too, so the people involved in the corporation can't hide their personal wealth from consequences.
Just admit you're wrong and take the L already, the original argument saw no refutation because you were wrong and you just chose to digress. At this point you're just wasting my time because you want my attention.
>just abolish all the laws and government it'll make things better
you're right I was wasting time with some 16 year old libertarian manchild
When you can't even admit that you're wrong, you're the one who comes across as a manchild. Doesn't help that you're shilling for a publicly traded corporation which has a legal obligation to maximize profit for the shareholders. Not that they are doing a particularly good job at it, but that's why Timmy is taking Ls.
>if you don't suck gaebn's wiener you are SHILLING for timmie
no I'm not. all the tech corps with their walled gardens should get fricked.
also law can in some cases create monopolies. But law is also the thing that's supposed to break monopolies. Like adam smith described the state has a referee role to play to destroy monopolies to ensure competition can take place.
I didn't ask you to suck Gabens wiener, you mentally degenerated fricktard. I asked you to admit you were wrong to imply that games sold exclusively on EGS have an obligation to follow pricing set by Valve. They don't have that obligation, they are set at full price regardless because that's what the publishers and developers want the customer to pay.
>Government creates problems
>Government creates solutions to problems it created
>Solutions create new problems
Governments creates solutions to problems created by solutions it has implemented to problems
>Solutions create new problems
Fricking epic brainlet logic. How about not creating monopolies in the first place, how's that sound? Or what, you want monopolies? But only if they are your preferred ones?
Timmy lost. All his bullshit lives and dies with Fortnite.
What I think about tim is that he's probably the most autistic frick ever. probably like most of you guys.
he really frick things up this should be a clear case on how to start fixing tech monopolies but he made it worse with his idiotic approaches.
maybe we start with disarming google.
I am not concerned by how much companies get fricked as long as the end result is comfy enough for me.
you are the consumer
you are at the other end of the transaction
if a corporation makes extra money they are fricking you over in some way
why is this hard to understand?
this is why the israelites frick you guys over so hard because you're all literally braindead.
>developers are getting fricked not me
all costs get passed down to the end consumer you dumb Black person
My games still cost the same, I don't give a shit.
Their price has tanked inflation like nothing else ever has.
you can't give a shit because you literally are too stupid to understand how corporations making extra money fricks you over.
good goy
Yeah, that's how I felt about Sony making their online services paid. I stopped using Sony products. What is there for me to stop using Steam? They offer plenty of shit that also makes the lives of devs easier.
>Valve provides the keys
>Use those keys to sell it cheaper elsewhere to avoid 30% cut
>Suprise suprise get bashed by Valve
No shit homie
Now that Ganker prefers EGS to Steam, what's next?
>B-but 30% fee is FAIR
no it isn't you fricking goy
>I-it is on all the other stores... how DARE you take away profit from apple google valve I-I'm literally shaking
kys
It's very telling when you chuds clearly learned everything you know about socialism from PragerU and Ben Shapiro videos.
>According to Judge Coughenour, Wolfire’s allegations are that Valve uses a combination of “written and unwritten rules” to “enforce” control over developers, influencing how games, even non-Steam-enabled ones, are sold and priced. And the judge feels that these allegations are “sufficient to plausibly allege unlawful conduct.”
>This May 6 decision is a win for Wolfire, following a previous setback in the ongoing legal case against Valve and its Steam platform. After filing the initial lawsuit last year in May, Wolfire’s case against Valve was dismissed by the same Judge in November. However, Wolfire was allowed to file another complaint about the issues noted in the dismissal and did so. Now, Wolfire’s antitrust lawsuit will move forward in court.
once again a shithead libertarian arguing against the idea of capitalism because they don't know how to read. Have you ever actually read the wealth of nations? Do you think adam smith hated the government? You can literally google this stuff.
whatever I'm done libertarian are all manchildren who want to make their own enrons and frick everyone else with price gouging.
They like the ideas of monopolies anyways
If you're still here frick you have a nice day.
Your tears are delicious commie gay. Makes sense you can't handle the atmosphere here coming over from twitter.