Are you done being a contrarian?
Are you ready to admit that while flawed, it was still a fun, colorful game you have lots of fond memories of?
Are you done being a contrarian?
Are you done being a contrarian?
Are you ready to admit that while flawed, it was still a fun, colorful game you have lots of fond memories of?
always did. gen 7 haters are fake fans
People who hate these games have brain damage and are gay
>People who like these games have brain damage and are gay
ffty
I skipped this because I already had Moon
You should've gotten it anyways, USUM was significantly better than SM.
USUM was a lot better in most places but I can't forgive how they destroyed the Lusamine plot, it was actually pretty cool in SM and just felt incredibly generic in USUM.
I completely agree, it's my main detraction along with Annabelle and Looker getting completely shafted from the plot. But as a whole I'd say the netgain is more than enough to say they were still the better games.
USUM added nothing worthwhile so I'd say SM is better
I never thought gen 7 games were shit, they were an overall improvement from gen 6. The best of the 3D games actually.
Good overall and nice improvement, haters will be haters.
cringe, zooms you will never be cool.
SM were ultra based
USUM were ultra gay
Learn the difference, it can save your life.
These games are unplayable. Dogshit region design and dogshit gameplay progression. Also ugly memedex.
the region was neat, the pokemon were cool but the game has no replay value for me because of the god awful nu-pokemon handholding. The whole game is played on rails with no real exploration, you're guided to specific places and can't really choose where to go. Every 2 or 3 minutes theres an unnecessarily long cut scene where you're skipping through the meaningless filler dialog that just makes the terrible story even more convoluted. There are definitely parts of these games I liked and they're way better than XY, however if I want to play a tropical themed pokemon game I'll stick with Emerald.
You should try it again. Alola actually has a ton of times and places to explore during the story that aren't obvious if you're rushing from cutscene to cutscene, but are still there even as early as before Hala.
Stop lying. Theres still too much of obnoxious dialogue and bad cinematics. Its still too much ti endure to "play" the game. Only a moron would like lilie complimenting you for being able to tie your shoes.
Anyone can have fun, it doesn't mean the game isn't below average. Overall I like USUM.
What I will say is that the game does have a shitload of postgame content, which is good for longevity. And a sizable Regional Dex
These anons have good points.
>same tired old Discord arguments
So you're not ready to stop then? USUM fixed plenty of issues from the original game, arguably moreso than any of the third versions.
I'm doing a re-run of US right now actually, 3rd run altogether and i honestly forgot how enjoyable the game is.
These games are bad because it doesn’t have the option to date a female skull grunt instead of that crying loser
Mantine surf (e.g. a minigame, available early, that gives access to better and better move tutor moves as the game progresses) was genius.
Having an early and fun way to get BP should have been continued.
>It's le bad because I have ADHD and can't read one hour of text
every time
>Are you done being a contrarian?
Never.
They are just Sun and Moon, but better.
Not significantly.
Just better.
Everything wrong with Sun and Moon are still present and just as grating as ever, doubly so if you were a sorry sap like me who bought S/M and then bought US/UM, since it meant you had to go through it all over again. There's practically zero changes in the story, save for Necrozma taking the front seat being the "big bad" of the game, benching Lusamine as the big bad, though the Aether Foundation was still relevant enough bads up until the bigger bad came to the foreground.
Team Rainbow Rocket was (literally) the gayest shit ever and nothing you say or do will change my mind since it adds nothing to the end-game besides post-game content to burn through in little under an hour.
Game is shit.
Frick off.
No, I will never stop hating USUM. It ruined SM!
I very nearly skipped gen 7 and picked up US right before SwSh got announced. Enjoyed it quite a bit and never understood why /vp/ hates it.
Someone convince Me to give this game another chance, I dropped quickly.
try having fun and not the attention span of a 4 year old
Lmao
Go back to your discord, SMtroon
mad
Recently used my copy of Moon again to help with my living dex. Literally couldn't remember a single thing about the design, menus, map or anything else. I do really like the HP bar style and terrain animations. Still the most forgettable games for me.
"hmm lets make an improved version"
"sir shall we fix the fricking shit framerate, make it new 3ds only maybe, redesign the kiddy plaza with fricking quizzes etc into a proper endgame?
"hmm nah just add a new broken legendary and a surfing minigame"
what annoys me is what it didnt do
>sir shall we fix the fricking shit framerate,
there's nothing to fix
>redesign the kiddy plaza with fricking quizzes etc into a proper endgame
they already did this
did you actually play the game?
Frick I forgot about rotom. What kind of moron would be ok with this shit ? Its one of the reasons I stopped the game. Okay you want to bear the shit dialogue, ots already anoyong that the game stop you in their track every 3 steps but then fricking rotomdex keeps asking you question everytime you boot the game. And its stupid irrelevant shits. Frick this game, seriously
There's even a rotom coomer comment that it makes as well. It's just wrong.
I'd love to see a mode that builds more of the story and dows something with the niche features presented
Nah. This game was kinda pointless. They had an opportunity to do something cool with the Ultra Wormholes, parallel realities and classic villains returning from other dimensions, but like 90% of the campaign is identical to SM. And that includes all of that game's problems, like the tutorials, the roadblocks, the unskippable texts and Rotom Dex's giving you pointless advice. Most of the game up to the last several hours is a slog.
Meh, SuMo was more fun
the only thing i hate about it is how they ruined lusamine's story/character
Frick you liliegay. Those games were absolute bullshit
>Getting beaten in battle and totally humiliated in front of Lillie, the girl that likes you, by her own mother Lusamine, as she mocks your Island trials
Shit was hot.
But I like Lillie’s mom…
I pirated the game and initially thought it was going to be boring because it looked so similar to the originals, made a girls only waifumon team with loose names to spice up the run and it ended up being one of the most memorable pokemon experiences I've ever had.
Also story cutscenes that make you want to have a nice day started at gen 4 so I don't understand why people make it seem like this game is wordswordswords
Maybe the content of the dialogue ? Never played gen 4 but got annoyed of gen5 for the same reason. The dialogue are so absurd.
yeah. at least USUM has a decent enough story to make up for it. even if you didn't think they were as intrusive starting in gen 4 all the shit that comes out of their mouths is just unmemorable.
Shut the frick up, sm and usum script is the dumbest shit Ive seen. And Im sure in the ds they didnt try to put "cinematic" animations before each shitty line of text. Dont forget how charactera have to move, then move their mouth and then the text appears. Plus rotomdex, never forget it
+ the game is laggy as frick in the battles, so they're even more tedious than in other games.
>+ the game is laggy as frick in the battles
That's only a drawback of being based on the Gen 6 engine. In terms of raw performance SM and USUM run much better.
It's not a very fair comparison to say Gen 7 runs better than Gen 6 when it has to run two less Hoopas.
It is better than SM in the parts that really matter (SM's story is overrated) but it could've been so much more.
It's because Gen 7 tries to be more "cinematic" which makes things drag out more. If it was straight to the point dialogue like Gens 4/5 it might actually end up faster but I'm not sure
It was colorful and probably had the best coombait, but that's about it. Everything else was shit.
You should stop being a contrarian and pretending these almost-gen-8 piles of shit represented something of worth. Literally fricking Kalos was better, and that's a super low bar.
Objectively better than SM in terms of more pokemon availability, move tutors, UB captures and items like mega stones.
However unlike Sun I have never beat US despite trying to on multiple occasions over the years because the handholding and rotomdex is fricking unbearable, and completely intolerable after you've already played through alola once and gotten over the novelty of a new region. literally the only game pre switch I've never beaten, they stop you to explain every fricking mechanic, side activity, place of interest, every fricking thing, and then rotom blocks your bottom screen to tell you to heal your pokemon, and if you tell him to frick off, he's back at it again after the next battle or wild encounter. Such a shit player experience that turned me off of pokemon games since then.
I just played UM for the first time at the start of the year. It's ok. Better than X by a mile. It was a change of pace from the standard game.
Z moves are an actual good mechanic that should stick around in some form or another.
Ultra Wormholes were shit, even when you turned off motion controls. Great for shiny hunting, but the flying part is just not fun.
Regional forms are a good idea.
I always said gen 7 was underrated, it just got treated harshly because people still had a bad taste in their mouth from gen 6.
More like Gen 6 got retroactively treated poorly because of Gen 7 and 8's bad reputation.
Gen 6 is the lowest point of the series.
You might not like certain things about 7 and 8 (insert muh cutscenes "argument" here) but there has never been, and probably never will be, a game as offensively bad as XY. XY makes BW look like masterpieces in comparison.
XY has objectively more things to do and postgame than any other generation's first entries.
Gen 6 is getting more and more favourable views specifically because how bad 7 and 8 were.
Boring ass gen. Horrible dex as well. Frick gen 7.
>Gen 6
>Good
kys
how should I?
It's not good, but it's better than 7.
No one ever talks about XY. It's an extremely shallow game barely memorable. I doubt anyone is able to name 3 gym leaders from it on the fly or even 3 locations from the game you liked. The only thing people have kind memories of it are megas. I myself played it until the 3rd gym and got bored, had to play a difficulty hack of it to go through it without sleeping.
And the rivals are fricking annoying and irrelevant. Frick off with the revisionism.
I replayed the start of the game multiple times because of how good it is. It's probably the only mainline pokemon game where the world around you feels somewhat alive. Too bad they dropped it after the first time you leave Lumiose. The game feels like it's a very good base that was not expanded on for some reason.
Shauna was sex incarnate, though.
I like Shauna, but she was barely used overall just like the others (and the others were uninteresting as frick, don't lie). They feel like they're just there for the sake of being there, maybe they could've made them a single character instead of 3.
I wouldn't mind more interactions with Shauna instead of those other fricks, that's true.
I think they were supposed to showcase the different ways one can enjoy pokemon. Serena/Calem is the trainer "I wanna be the champion" type, the small dude is the pokemon collector and Tierno... ok I don't know what the frick was Tierno supposed to represent, but he was the only one of the bunch I found unbearable.
>or even 3 locations from the game you liked.
I'll give you 4. Laverre City. Snowbelle. Anistar. And various corners of Lumiose. Region had a nice art direction and many reasons to visit. The boutiques updating every day, scenery changes at sunset, or Lumiose City generally having a-lot of services and tourist spots. No other cities even come close.
newbie, at least lurk more
and 5
Does it have a lusamine sex scene? No? Then it's shit
I skipped gen 7. Later on I emulated it. I loved the boss battles and trials, and the games had a great cast and had good fanservice for older characters. Cool new pokemon too. I'd probably hate USUM more if I actually played SM but I didn't so it was good for me, easily on par with my other favorite games. Best 3D experience all around.
>thread is mostly nuetral/positive for a full day
>suddenly many posts at once comparing to Kalos/calling XY better
>IP count stops rising at around the same time the comparisons start
The discord has arrived, and failed to hide it.
>thread is mostly nuetral/positive for a full day
>suddenly the Alola crowd starts to genwar and scapegoat gen 6
>people rightfully call them out
Always a victim complex with gen 7 fans
>always a victim complex with gen 7 fans
It's not a victim complex when you're attacked often, it's just a statement of reality. Gen 6 fans use 7 as a scapegoat almost as often as 4 and 5 in their desperate attempts to make their games look better.
Yeah, those damn gen 6 fans. Us pure, kind-hearted gen 7 fans would NEVER scapegoat anyone, right?
All I'm going to say is that XY/Gen 6 were and still are considered to be very mediocre games. By any objective metric of features/gameplay/performance, SM/Gen 7 had every right to expand what was offered there but instead cut even more shit without providing anything to show for it.
Simply put, the 3D era is unanimously shit up until PLA. That's not inherent to 3D itself but rather how XY should have been a foundation that was built off of and they instead explicitly chose to go lower and lower with each entry. No matter your opinion on which of those shit games is worse, SM's deadliest sin is stripping down the core gameplay and removing the National Dex and SWSH's is continuing on that tangent right down to restricting transfers after LGPE did it.
>SM's deadliest sin is... removing the national dex
Gotta love when the discorders give themselves away with the same blatant lies repeated for months
>All I'm going to say is that XY/Gen 6 were and still are considered to be very mediocre gam--
Already started reading and the first line is a bold-faced lie.
I feel like there was a lot of hype early on due to the way the street date leaks unfolded and there were a few features that were fun: friend safaris, customization (minus no hat option), amie, and wonder trade.
However, it became apparent certain details were missing, and the lack of post-game content left many people disappointed. I personally feel that the introduction of megas shifted GameFreak's focus from "hey lets really make the first mainline game the best it can be" to "oh people can just unlock more megas".
Ultimately, X&Y had potential, and the lack of "Pokemon Z" is even more of a headscratcher considering the following generations had either second games or DLC.
In terms of nupokemon they're arguably the best, maybe only getting beat out by BW2. In terms of oldpokemon, they're middling only beating hgss and gsc (which are the worst games in the whole franchise).
Shit game, don't try and excuse it
All the railroading is unbearable
>flawed, it was still a fun, colorful game you have lots of fond memories of?
>the whole series
It was alright, but it was still the game that got me to quite pokemon games and the story still has an inferior climax to the original making it seem rather disappointing overall.
No, Zoomer. Your game is still shit, but Hawaiian shit seems comfier i guess