Halflings were honbits in the earliest editions before they had to change it for legal issues
Its why they have the lucky racial, its a reference to how fricking lucky toilken hobbit squad was
Because autistic nerds need to be able to categorize races into neat little niches, gotta have a short human race for fighting, another one for thiefing and a third one for magicing, it's all very moronic
It would be kino as frick if the gnomes just looked like garden gnomes. The only customization options would be the color of your pointy hat and the style of your beard. You would have no options to customize your face, because you would never see it in game.
I am 99% certain those are Deep Gnome (Svirfneblin).
Nothing to do with Larian, that's what gnomes who live in the Underdark look like, very different from other gnomes.
I'm just going to assume no one here knows anything about 5e since it was never brought up. Of course, I can tell some people here do know 5e so clearly they just don't care.
This anon is correct, the one in ops image is a deep gnome. That said I still think the gnomes look fricking weird in Baldurs Gate 3. Give them green skin and they'd look like a goblin.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Give them green skin and they'd look like a goblin.
Look I'm not gonna pretend this means much, but 5e art and race art is kind of whack
What they need to do is add some solidness to the model by default since deep gnomes are pretty hard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
*hardy
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't even mean in terms of the art but the actual game. They look fricking weird.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Look, it's an improvement, ha ha.
2 years ago
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Forgot my pic. Left is 3e, probably the golden age of D&D art. Middle and right come from the 5e I believe... You can see the degeneration of artistic talent available to Wizards over time.
[...] >5e art and race art is kind of whack
No kidding.
I do know about 5e. The amount of care I have for 5e is close, though slightly higher, than the amount of care I have about pathfinder. Which is roughly the amount of care I have for my shit once it is flushed down the toilet.
Pathfinder is peak moronation. 5e tried to slow down the moronation, but failed completely. Now we're becoming increasingly moronic with every years, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
So I'll b***h about deep gnomes, thank you very much.
Last I heard, WotC is doing the Patreon thing? When you have 25% of the guidebook if you pledged $5, 50% of the guidebook if you pledged $10, and 100% of the guidebook if you pledged more. That is so israeli, there is no tongues in the language of men or israelites to even begin to describe the israeliness.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wizards' Judaism reared its head long ago if you paid attention to the shit they started pulling with MTG
and then we will have no one to blame but ourselves for giving bad advice when the final product sucks, eliminating any blame blame that could fall to the devs. a marvelous system indeed
Swen himself said that the more content they pump into Act 1, the more they neglect the shit after it and the more time they need to work on post-Act 1 stuff.
They changed halflings from scaled down humans to humans with dwarfism. They started to look strange in 4e, but 5e is where I think things really went off the rails.
The halflings in BG3 especially suffer from this thematic change.
It's the fricking head, they have tiny bodies with giant heads and it looks fricking creepy, instead of just being a manlet human.
What's wrong, anon? Don't you want your fantasy hero to be a literal midget? :^)
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's the fricking head, they have tiny bodies with giant heads and it looks fricking creepy, instead of just being a manlet human.
5e halfling is a horror show
BEHOLD
2 years ago
Anonymous
Immediately made me think of "Bighead mode" cheats from older vidya, holy shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
this is just a placeholder, right? thats just Shannon from accounts payable with a birth defect
2 years ago
Anonymous
I REALLY hope so.
>ACTUAL real life midget proportions
Honestly isn't it about time that a game let's you play as a human with dwarfism? You can play as Warwick Davis and be an absolute wiener to everyone.
See that's why I'm confused. Gnomes were already pretty close to Warwick Davis, so to diminish the already-minimal visual differences between the two races is a strange move.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ACTUAL real life midget proportions
Honestly isn't it about time that a game let's you play as a human with dwarfism? You can play as Warwick Davis and be an absolute wiener to everyone.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why the frick do they just have a normal human head on a tiny body? the proportions are fricked.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I want some good fricking art, Jack.
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Yeah it's not great.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's terrible. It looks like they squished a human model down vertically, but left (or even increased the size of) the head. The only reason I could imagine them doing this is to keep armor textures somewhat consistent without needing to change them for every race. The strange body proportioning not being a mistake is possible, I just really hope that's not the case.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm telling you, they are mimicking the source material. I just wish they wouldn't in this case.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's plenty of good source material for them to choose from, but they specifically went for Disproportionate Dwarfism.
tbh ALL of the races have some strange ugliness to them, and the devs are wondering why players went with the vault dweller.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No I mean 5e source material. That is what a 5e gnome looks like, no way around it. They are working directly with WotC to make a 5e product, so I have to wonder how much freedom they have on this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
well they already made the proportions less completely horrific so they might have a bit of freedom in that regard
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they already made the proportions less completely horrific
Anyone able to confirm with some chargen screenshots? I won't want to download a ~30 gig patch to be disappointed like last time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I just meant in comparison to the official 5E art
2 years ago
Anonymous
Unfortunate. I'm still disappointed, but you've spared me a little more disappointment.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I believe it's what gnomes have always looked like? Which is another reason I find it strange that they changed halflings to look like this as well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sorry, meant to say halfling.
2 years ago
Anonymous
All 5e art is fricking horrible, but everything beyond 3.5 was shit. 3.5 was pure soul.
What is wrong with halflings besides being shrunk humans? The only thing not being touched, at all seemingly, is reactions
Forgot my pic. Left is 3e, probably the golden age of D&D art. Middle and right come from the 5e I believe... You can see the degeneration of artistic talent available to Wizards over time.
>Give them green skin and they'd look like a goblin.
Look I'm not gonna pretend this means much, but 5e art and race art is kind of whack
What they need to do is add some solidness to the model by default since deep gnomes are pretty hard.
>5e art and race art is kind of whack
No kidding.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's the fricking head, they have tiny bodies with giant heads and it looks fricking creepy, instead of just being a manlet human.
>there'll never be a romance option that isn't an endless rehash of the same slop-bucket bottom tier dogshit races like human, elf and whatever dumb flavors of the month the devs coombrained over like tieflings.
Fricking repugnant. Western RPG's are like an ocean full of stale piss when it comes to romance options.
Lae zel doesn't really fit that mold. She's a cruel prostitute that follows her culture to a T. Everyone on here cries about it, they want their tsundere anime gf that's soft at heart actually and not cuck them.
Shadow hearts background is kind of interesting, Gales story is interesting too.
The token Black person and vampire don't really have much going for them
Wyll's a cool dude, Shadowheart's neat, and I think it's funny watching Gale get the shit kicked out of him repeatedly. Can't stand the gith or the vampire spawn myself.
The vampire spawn is just a boring cliche of the genre.
The gith prostitute is a good character because she's supposed to be a c**t that's hard to understand why she acts this way other than just stereotyping her race as a whole.
Do companions notice if you kill other companions? I'd hypothetically want to kill the githyanki to remove her from the plot but I dont want Shadowheart to know I'm a murderer in case she remembers she's a good girl and hates me for it.
not for long since relationships between companions aren't final, shart and laezel try to kill eachother very early on but because it's only act 1 for ea they didn't include it yet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm worried about a Fallout 4 situation where the followers forget about each other's existance entirely.
Wyll and Gale cause a stink if you do some evil shit in the story, but I don't think they have any particular reaction to killing party members.
Regardless, if you take the gith to meet the patrol in the northwest area of the map and she will leave your party to go talk to them. At this point you can just leave instead of going to talk to them with her and she'll be dead bthe next time you come back there.
While realistic, from a narrative sense that's also bad writing.
I'll probably just keep her alive I guess. No point in buying a triple A game and cucking myself out of the plot. But on my second run I'm only going to keep Shadowheart as follower and play with custom party.
when you find lae'zel in the cage you can side with shadowheart and attack her there, companions won't care because lae'zel wa never a companion.
if you kill them in the camp or during some of the later events, yes they will care. some will approve and some will really dislike it. makes sense really, party morale cant be high if you kill each other
What am I really curious about is if they will force you to ditch party members at the end of act 1, like they did in DOS2. I suspect they might
Plus Lae'zel talks alot of shit, but when she meets the other Gith kinda goes into her shell a bit when they basically call her out for being a peon. People basing characters off an unfinished act are dumb as hell.
Apartheid ended years ago, you bigot. Interspecies relationships between humans (male) and goblins (female) are valid and beautiful.
Green wart covered fingers typed this post.
A halfing girl bard companion was datamined a few patches ago, but I don't think we're getting any new companions until release.
but there will be a halfling girl companion, possibly romanceable too
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Isn't she supposed to be a werewolf?
Must be a small wolf.
That halfling werewolf girl you're all talking about is a gross old granny. Her model was datamined and she's fricking old and disgusting. Sorry bros, it's over.
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Pic related LOL here's your halfling romance shortstack bros
Because no one but you wants that you fricking weirdo
>doesn't want a wholesome romance with a qt shortstack waifu who smiles and blushes prettily as she cranes her neck up to gaze upon you
it looks like you actually can romance helia as well as minsc. dataminers found a new voice line from astarion that he says when you switch from romancing minsc/helia to him. they play at 0:19 and 0:47
Kinda pissed out of all the companions they could asspull from BG1/2 they chose Minsc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Most of them are dead. Minsc himself was dead until a Wild Mage fricked up a spell near a statue of him.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They could've been creative with people like Edwin. Maybe Viconia. Both more interesting to me than Minsc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Minsc is the biggest meme from BG1/2, so naturally Larian, meme-loving fricks that they are, would include him
2 years ago
Anonymous
This, he's a reddit-esque Marvel tier memer who quips every five seconds, so it makes sense. Sadly, he's at the end of the list of characters I want to return. There's just not much you can do with his character beyond "FOOT STOMP BAD GUY BUTT, RIGHT BOO?!?!?!"
2 years ago
Anonymous
You could fix his brain damage at some point during the game and make him an actual character. Not like that'll ever happen though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the plot twist is Boo got a tadpole
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jaheira and Viconia have already been datamined and there are hints Imoen might return as well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Data mined as companions or more like cameos?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>half-elf and drow
No problem. >Edwin being a lich or atleast an all powerful guy staying alive due to magic
Sure >Imoen
Nah
Data mined as companions or more like cameos?
The Harpers are in the Cursed Shadowlands, I think Jaheira is there too. Probably some level of temp companion/questline
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Harpers
Well I think I already found *that* part of the game. I hate the Harpers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You'll probably get to kill them like you did in BG2. I don't think Larian views them in a more flattering light than Black Isle did - lore-wise, Elminster himself has since given up on the organization as a lost cause too in love with its own influence to fulfill its goals of peace, freedom, and equality.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You'll probably get to kill them like you did in BG2
How is this achieveable, please? Do you just go back in after talking to Xzar the final time?
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you do Jaheiras questline you end up slaughtering all of them since she refuses to turn you in and so they try to kill you both.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thanks! Didn't care to have her in my parties, and I hate the timed do or die poison quests, but I'll definitely check this out. Is it a party member questline or a romance questline though?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Party member questline, though you can do it during the romance as well, if I'm not mistaken.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Imoen
No.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>half-elf and drow
No problem. >Edwin being a lich or atleast an all powerful guy staying alive due to magic
Sure >Imoen
Nah
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The Harpers are in the Cursed Shadowlands, I think Jaheira is there too. Probably some level of temp companion/questline
She's half god/a fricking Wizard in D&D, if they want her to still be alive they can easily handwave the typical Human lifespan. There's already dialogue and books referencing her in the game, it's unlikely they would bother doing that if she doesn't show up in some capacity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know. My "no" was more "I hate that little b***h and her voice actress both and don't ever want to see or hear her again"
2 years ago
Anonymous
What did her voice actress do?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Annoy me.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>heya its me imoen this way i care not yep watcha want i'm gone puffguts woulda told me a storyyyyy
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yer a queer fellow.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She was the most popular character in both games so it wouldn't be surprising if they brought her back.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>HEYA >ITS ME >IMOEN
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and there are hints Imoen might return as well.
Rape mods are BACK on the menu.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That mod where you can romance her and eventually break her will so she turns evil was pretty alright.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jaheira and Viconia have already been datamined and there are hints Imoen might return as well.
Data mined as companions or more like cameos?
>half-elf and drow
No problem. >Edwin being a lich or atleast an all powerful guy staying alive due to magic
Sure >Imoen
Nah
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The Harpers are in the Cursed Shadowlands, I think Jaheira is there too. Probably some level of temp companion/questline
Reminder that Larian will cuck you 20 years later with their moronic OCs. Jaheira's confirmed fricking the bara Druid you can bet the same with Aerie, Viconia and your imouto Imoen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I romanced Keldorn via mod so this is irrelevant to me.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aerie hasn't been mentioned at all, her romance was way too pure and family oriented for current year, it's more likely that they're going to write her out by having her canonically return to Faen'dal.
>That has to be full comedy right? How could you romance that tard unironically.
Well in the original game, I remember Minsc and Dynaheir's relationship having some romantic undertones to it.
There was absolutely zero romance implied in the original Baldurs Gate, for any character.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>There was absolutely zero romance implied in the original Baldurs Gate, for any character.
God you're such a lying homosexual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
All of the Baldurs Gate companions in the first game are bare bones characters that have a few barks and some introduction dialogue, outside of established relationships like Jaheira-Khalid, Kivans dead wife or Coran being a flirt, there is nothing there. Your modded version of the game with fan fiction NPC dialogue is not part of the actual characterization of BG1 NPCs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're already backpedaling on your initial claims, your opinions are worthless.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Skie is in love with Eldoth, though he doesn't love her.
You haven't actually played the game for more than two hours.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you think the Skie and Eldoth quest counts as "romance" you probably think Garricks introduction quest counts as "romance" as well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you think the Skie and Eldoth quest counts as "romance"
There was absolutely zero romance implied in the original Baldurs Gate, for any character.
>There was absolutely zero romance implied
Hahahaha.
Khalid & Jaheira:
*exists*
Like seriously Black person are you just trying to distract from the horrible looking halflings of BG3 or what?
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's just a fricking moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think the original point, which I think was about the PC romancing Minsc being fricking moronic, has merit. He's immediately wrong about there being no romance for any character though, because the first shit Minsc spews at you is that he wants your help to rescue his woman.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah I know, I'm the guy who said there was romantic undertones to the whole Minsc-Dynaheir situation and he responded by saying there was no romance hinted in the game at all like the moron he is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Minsc is just her bodyguard, she's a Wychalaran, any of the ones that leave Rasheman have a Berserker to guard them, usually several. Minsc is not Kevin Costner and Dynaheir is not Whitney Houston, he wants to save her because that's his mission. Do you really think the writers of the original BG were trying to give the brain damaged guy with a hamster a love interest? Romancegays are a blight on CRPGs.
iirc some of the lines they pulled from previous patches when you are playing as helia have npcs refer to her as a kid or a girl so that might not be her actual model. we won't know for sure until they pull voice lines though
The Quarian decision was more about not being able to see their faces, according to the devs. But the Turian one, yeah, that was a miscalculation, given how popular Garrus was for femsheps to romance. And I love how the only good thing about Andromeda was the cute female Turian that you could romance.
I think more romance options beyond the vanilla elf/human pairing is a good thing, and don't understand the reluctance to give players the choice. A sweet story about a human/elf falling for a dwarf/halfling/gnome/goblin despite their differences could be awesome.
>not being able to see their faces
That and not being able to get under their suits. The "i can take stuff to make it okay" excuse was made up for 2 specifically because players wanted to bang Tali something fierce
What are you talking about? The classic Lawful Nice knight in shining armour is still very much a thing. Just pick Oath of Devotion, which will 100% be one of the subclasses.
Well it isn't happening, devs are going to include all of the classes from the Player's Handbook. So that leaves Paladin and Monk left and that'll be it
>BG3 >Not a single person who worked on any BG is working on BG3 >Larian has yet to make a game with a passable story >helms Baldur's fricking Gate
I genuinely don't understand why anyone would be excited. moronic zoomies who don't understand its a cash grab or moronic boomies who are so starved for a game in the genre they're excited for what is certainly garbage?
They are, though. Bhaal is back in the FR canon and the Dead Three play an unknown at this point but important role in the story, probably as the puppet masters of the Ilithids.
>They are, though
They aren't, though. They're continuing the story that Murder in Baldur's Gate started with "ackchyually everything that happened in the game's was Bhaal's gigabrain plan and nothing you did mattered because you were his puppet the whole time"
Don't forget to catch up on your official Baldur's Gate lore! Everyone is still around, even Irenicus because he's a lich now. Also Sarevok became a homeless drug addict before wandering into a temple of Bhaal and becoming a priest.
Because back in the day, Gygax decided to add Tolkien races to the game, and when demihumans could start actually choosing classes, he decided to add a shorty race that was naturally suited to the Mage class, since dwarves were naturally suited to Fighter and hobbits were naturally suited to Thief.
Bg3 shouldn't even be made.
They aren't even continuing the story of the first two games.
They are, though. Bhaal is back in the FR canon and the Dead Three play an unknown at this point but important role in the story, probably as the puppet masters of the Ilithids.
Yeah Larian have clearly said it will connect. BG2 doesn't connect at all to Bhaal, the Bhaalspawn dilemma, Sarevok etc and is more about what it means to be a Bhaalspawn as Jon sucks your soul so he can suck off a tree.
>he doesn't want a multiplayer turnbased DND engine that most certainly will have the same custom campaign stuff that Divinity had
if the gameplay is fun I can excuse the game not being a direct tie in to BG2.
>ur a poopyhead
truly we have a titan of intellect here, also it does tie into BG2 I remembered assuming https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Illithid_Correspondence this is the early stages of the squidboys plan in BG3.
I'm the guy you replied to and you seemed to miss the point of my post. I don't care that it's not a direct tie in (even though allegedly it is?) BG is a series carried by storytelling & characters. The Devs of this game have not ever written a compelling story nor are they capable of writing believable characters.
I know this is going to come off as dickriding Larian and I agree their writing isn't great but I don't think this is going to be on them. It's going to be in part from Wizards for not recognizing the importance of getting the story and characters right. I play Magic and Magic's story is fricking awful I mean probably the worst because not only do they write dogshit, what little good they do write is immediately ruined because it's a wholly shit environment.
Wizards bends to any and every social trend right now. Like, I don't fricking know which company you'd bring in to write compelling narrative. I only know that bringing in Larian is the best move because they can at least make a game when no company can make a game OR write good narrative. Like who the frick would you get to write a good game in Western games development? Wizards won't even fricking pay to ensure that their paper doesn't bend when exposed to air, why the frick would they shell out for the best writers in fantasy fiction, which they would have to import from elsewhere because the games industry doesn't fricking have good writers anymore. And nobody's going to ask the Japanese because communication barriers and I'm not saying the Japanese are overrun in writing talent but they have some people whereas I can't fricking name anybody left in Western gaming who hasn't been cancelled to frick.
There's only one fricking Neil Gaiman in the world. And he's expensive as frick. I fricking want Mike Carey to write a video game but nobody knows who the frick he is because gamers are fricking moronic especially Wizards. I know I have no proof of this but the moment I knew Wizards was doing this I knew it was going to be shit. I knew there's no fricking way Larian, the golden child, could produce a good product with them involved.
I am a purist and separate the artist from the art. And as sad as I am to see Gaiman shit the bed, you cannot deny you want that man writing shit.
And I don't know about you but we don't have enough fricking talent to start cancelling talent who says something completely fricking stupid.
For me, it's a game written by Steven Erickson. Worldbuilding lore autism at MAXIMUM.
Someone told me to read Book of the Fallen. But I'm sure you understand and would agree that we could sit here and name names and at no point could you survey from all of Wizards or Larian who could name 10% of whatever list we come up with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
For me, it's a game written by Steven Erickson. Worldbuilding lore autism at MAXIMUM.
Erikson is an amazing talent. I'd love to see him write games. Problem is how much scope do these writers get anymore? Erikson would go full autism and like his publishers before they would tell him to tone it down.
Am I lacking context? What is exactly wrong with that tweet?
the tweet is correct
but then he went and vehemently defended casting this character with a black actress
2 years ago
Anonymous
whoops
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Netflix
Miss me with that shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Which character? Batman?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but then he went and vehemently defended casting this character with a black actress
No shit, he's under Netflix contract. Even Mark Hamill bowed when he shit talked mouse too much.
That's a weird point to make. Why can't a game with a big title attached to it that you can currently buy for full price and is being developed with WotC not be a cashgrab just because they are going to take time to develop and finish it?
That said, I agree it's not a cash grab, your argument is just kind of stunted.
Cashgrab inherently means something quick and lazy done to make a quick buck. This is years of development on a much larger scale than Larian has done before on a bigger budget than they've had before.
Whats the phrase for when you use an IP to try and sell a product that people otherwise wouldn't buy? this is in no way shape or form BG3, and yet
That's a weird point to make. Why can't a game with a big title attached to it that you can currently buy for full price and is being developed with WotC not be a cashgrab just because they are going to take time to develop and finish it?
That said, I agree it's not a cash grab, your argument is just kind of stunted.
A cash grab. Programs sold on early access over a period of many years (with slow, inconsistent and/or a lack of updates/communication) also fall into that category.
Immediately made me think of "Bighead mode" cheats from older vidya, holy shit.
No idea what they were thinking. Too many tabletop players were the cute little halfling so that had to change? That is the kind of mentality that I would expect from nuWiz.
a cash grab still denotes a low-effort, low-quality shitpile with a quick turnaround. BG3 is using an established name to attract attention (and money), but I wouldn't call it a cash grab because of the effort Larian is putting in.
By the same logic you're using, hiring Larian in the first place is also a cash grab on WotC's part because of how popular the DOS games were. There's a difference between using popular names as part of marketing and a cash grab.
bg1/bg2 fanboys r beyond saving, nobody in 2022 cares about ur ancient outdated crpg series that aged terribly. if anything larian making the game brings more attention to baldurs gate. dos2 was bigger than both games.
>if anything larian making the game brings more attention to baldurs gate.
This is not something that anyone wants, though. Hobbyists actively want people like you (unable to spell, among other things) to stay the frick away from the things they love, because the last 30 years have shown that you will do your best to ruin it.
Not him but I think Larian is the best choice a company can make to developing a CRPG. It ought to inspire the absolute most faith in a project's success that they are on the project. I really don't think anybody can name a better company for the job. Yeah sure, Larian isn't perfect, but they're actually the best available. It's strange to hear people shit on them because I can't name a better company doing this thing.
some morons will probably say Owlcat but they can't deliver a functional game to save their life
games are alright for build autism though
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, yeah, they're using the Pathfinder ruleset. It was published as a haven for the buildhomosexuals who thought 4e was too different from their preferred flavor of autism.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Owlcat games are fine outside of buildtism but I like Larian more especially since they take their time with the fricking game, Owlcat wants it out ASAP so it always comes out a massive mess. They at least give me something to play while I wait for Baldurs Gate though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How did that work out for them with DOS 1/2 where most of the story was in the first fricking act.
Anyone who knows Larian though shouldn't be surprised they're pulling this trick a third time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I definitely enjoyed Owlcat's writing but Pathfinder was so slavishly devoted to aspects of CRPGs that make CRPGs insufferable to play. I only finished Pathfinder because friends were playing it too but I sure as frick didn't enjoy the gameplay. Thankfully lots of the writing kept my interest.
Larian's games are good games. They aren't so attached to nostalgia that they must include shit from back in the day they trash what was bad and kept what was good while continuing to produce good. I think the publishers are forcing Larian to put some awful RPG elements into the game, which is compromising what they do but nevertheless they're still the best for the job even if they're directed to do something stupid.
You know Obsidian exists and have actually made BG games before right?
>Obsidian >Outer Worlds and Pillars
Yeah no. You know as well as I do whatever made New Vegas fun is long gone. If you're saying Obsidian would produce something better than what Larian has already made you're out of your mind.
You know Obsidian exists and have actually made BG games before right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
They're busy making the Skyrim of the Pillars setting, so there's not much hope of them cranking out another Infinity Engine knockoff.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Obsidian has made one good game (and one good expansion) in their entire existence
2 years ago
Anonymous
BG, SWKOTOR, NWN, FNV, POE
what the frick are you smoking.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>lists trash alongside their only good projects
lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
While Obsidian's founders came from Black Isle, the Obsidian of today is nowhere near Black Isle at their peak
NWN2 was not a good game, although Mask of the Betrayer was great
KOTOR 2 has incredible writing and good core mechanics, but is an unfinished buggy mess
FNV is good
POE is trash, and POE2 is worse trash, and when directly compared to their contemporaries, DOS1 and DOS2, it's obvious why Larian would be the better choice.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>POE is trash, and POE2 is worse trash, and when directly compared to their contemporaries, DOS1 and DOS2, it's obvious why Larian would be the better choice.
The White March is genuinely great and should've been a standalone game, while DOS1 is terrible in pretty much every aspect besides gameplay and DOS2 is straight up turn-based Borderlands with much less memorable characters.
2 years ago
Anonymous
poe 2 was shit no one cared about that bombed
if anything, them scrambling for BG3 would reek even more of a cashgrab
>You say this like Baldurs Gate had a particularly good story.
This, really. The first game had a fricking awful story. It had the seeds of a cool idea with the Bhaalspawn, but it was executed terribly.
The second game's story was improved, but not by much. I honestly think people are looking at these two games and their entirely average stories with rose-tinted glasses.
It was still better than anything Larian had ever produced and don't talk to me about shit execution when every fricking Larian game had been a one trick pony of "le witty narrator haha humor so funny" all the fricking time. They are incapable of writing anything serious or with any sort of gravitas, everything has to be constantly quipped and japed about like it's a fricking marvel movie in videogame form.
Larian can produce a good game even if they are weak in the writing department. No company can produce a game as good as them. And it's highly unlikely that any company can write a game better than them at the moment.
We can't go back in time and revive a dead company to write and make the game Larian is making right now. If you can name a better company to make this game then name it but as has been already said multiple times every other company out there is fricking shittier than Larian by miles. I can't even name a second place because they're so far in the distance they all appear the same.
Larian didn't produce a single memorable game yet, nobody gives a frick about a story and characters even in incredibly successful DOS2. We'll see if BG3 can change that.
Still, I'm certain Dragon's Dogma 2 is going to be a much better than BG3, both as a game and DnD simulator.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't know about that, Dragons Dogma will likely be a great action game but I doubt it'll expand on the RPG side of things much.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not memorable >incredibly successful and people think of OS2 first above POE and Pathfinder in the modern CRPG era
Yeah the characters/story is whatever, but the world design is more memorable than a well written scene 7 hours in an 80 hour game. People remember puzzles or encounters in OS2, people don't remember shit in WOTR because your expected to fight 2 dozen little fights on a single map.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't know about that, Dragons Dogma will likely be a great action game but I doubt it'll expand on the RPG side of things much.
DD2 will definitely be a fun fantasy action RPG but its going to fall short in the RPG/storytelling part again.The forgery stuff is cool, but like 3 quests maybe interact with that at all. Trials and Tribulations is by far the most unique quest and outside of that there really isn't interesting questlines or stories.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think it'll be as bad as the original for RPG/story but it still won't be amazing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The problem is DD1 has Grigori atleast, what the frick could 2 possibly have?
2 years ago
Anonymous
TWO Grigoris
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Dragons Dogma
5 Yen have been deposited into your Capcom account
2 years ago
Anonymous
Please. For everything except gameplay os2 is absolute bottom of the barrel. Shit party, dreadful story, world sucks wiener, visuals are ok but just turns into a mess of environmental effects.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dragons dogmas story is absolute dog shit
As well as the gameplay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They hated him because he told the truth
2 years ago
Anonymous
>t. a goblin
I bet your kind fears ice and fire both
I played the older Baldurs Gates and they are nothing special, definitely soulful but I enjoyed Arcanum and Fallout 1&2 more. Played BG3 when it first came to early access and it was great even for the shirt 25 hours I played plus all the bugs.
Played BG1 and the Black Pits (I think it was called) expansion. Thought it was OK, nothing special, don't know why people rave on it. Maybe it was something special back in the day?
Still Paladin. Always has been, always will be. Just police your own behaviour, years of following a diety should have given you a good idea on how to live the holy warrior's life.
The human condition is a disease. It bega for the value of the individual and self-indulgent humanitarianism. Independant decision-making where the importance is placed on the "good" actor over the Good act, the "good" believer over the Good belief. Only when man can shed his false freedoms can he transcend the hubris of independence and accept that his worth is nothing compared to the grace of Good, and that the only way to be Good is to become wholly the vessel of Good and the engine of the destruction of Evil. No self shall ever remain in the face of such holy struggle.
Alignment system is fricking trash and you don't need it. You can still be a lawful good paladin without needing a meter to tell you how much of a good boy you are.
Yes, if you have a Good Diety as a Cleric (and probably a Paladin) you get different options now and again. Otherwise, it doesn't matter. There is no alignment in DnD now. Gygax was a moral objectionist, so believed in objective morality but the modern DnD crowd are subjectivists who don't.
that scenario WAS with weighted dice. its awful. ive tried 20/30 runs so far. its inevitable that you will get fricked by rolls eventually into a non-winnable outcome.
if i want to play casino games, ill play casino games. this is pure shit, breaks my immersion, its not enjoyable, success feels cheap, loss feels forced. its all random. did no one play test this
because i have no life and no friends on a sunday afternoon and i want to shit on this game because of how unbelievably bad the decision to put in dice roll is
youre play testing testing it right now dude. you ARE the QA, like how path of exile does it
im talking about testing the mechanics and realizing that oh it doesnt work and it sucks. there isnt a multiverse that exists where larian takes out dice roll this far into development
2 years ago
Anonymous
no, there isn't, because it's an RPG and every RPG in existence runs on dice rolls
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not Mass Effect 2
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mass Effect 2 is only barely an RPG
2 years ago
Anonymous
I haven't played ME2 but I can guarantee there's dice rolling in it somewhere.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope, I checked the Coalesced.ini. everything from bullet spread to damage to recoil to AI has a static value determining it. No RNG at all.
I utterly despise the dice too. I don't think Larian is to blame on that because they made their success ENTIRELY by subverting the traditional CRPG model, which includes excluding dice.
The dice shit is absolutely something imposed by Wizards, to cross-promote their pen and paper products. There's no way that company would just let a company make a good product and have that be good enough to market their game, no, Wizards would insist that a fricking visual dice constantly rolled in your face to remind you that we're playing D&D and we ought to check out D&D.
I'm just waiting for someone to leak that this was the exact conversation: Larian saying "can we do without the dice" and Wizards going "must have dice" and nobody fricking buying this game for the exact same reason why a lot of people didn't fricking buy Pillars who bought Divinity because they were SICK of dice bullshit taking choice and agency out of the game. Not everyone is some degenerate who gets excited when they hit a nat20.
When it says I have a 100% chance to hit it's actually 100%. It's never possible to hit 100% with dice because you can roll a 1 and automatically fail just like a 20 is an auto-success.
oh yeah, i remember now. i played with weighted dice and i would get a nat 20 one in every 5 rolls and then every other roll was still a 50/50 which felt bad and the nat 20 didnt feel any less cheap. and non-weighted nat 20s still feel just as stupid.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I really wished more CRPG's had generic, expendable companions. I don't like fricking any of the companions in this game, but going solo seems pretty unplayable to me. I think the game would benefit from a mercenary system like in the Pathfinder games. Or maybe you can unlock certain types of creatures/NPC followers by doing certain quests, like you can hire goblins to fight and die for you if you side with them or you can ally with gnolls to get gnoll followers.
I just want loyal, unthinking mooks that die for me and don't b***h about my decision making.
The Divinity games gave you the option to have nameless mooks. But for a game like BG I imagine the decision was to make story focused as the previous games were. I don't think your opinion is bad but it just costs money to execute for not justifiable gain.
I agree with you that I don't like these companions in this game. It's seriously putting a dampener on my potential ability to enjoy it. I didn't like Fane or the Red Prince because they were like abrasive tourists calling people they didn't understand to be shit in Divinity OS2 but thankfully the remaining party members were fun. But in BG I kinda fricking hate most of your companions.
I don't mind if characters are c**ts, in fact, I love it when they are. But they have to have some redeeming qualities to justify wanting to listen to them. If they're just fricking bad people why the frick would I want to talk to them about anything.
I think Sebille's introduction in OS2 might be the worst companion intro besides Nenio in WotR. I don't expect characters to treat the MC like a prince, but making the character defenseless regardless of their abilities was dumb as shit. As for Nenio, having a random weirdo show up in the middle of a warzone and talk shit was fricking dumb. If I hadn't known previously that she was a companion, I'd have killed her like many have.
>Sebille's introduction
She sounded like some kind of edgy teenager who wears too much black. I mean, did you hate the fact she was kinda friendly and wasn't a complete angry piece of shit towards you?
I kind of appreciated the fact that she didn't do the actual psycho thing and threaten you with no provocation. And I warmed to her, she was genuinely good very soon into Fort Joy.
Don't some modern cRPGs now let you make mercenaries just for people like you? I remember Pillars of Eternity and Pathfinders games let you make mercenaries to replace party members.
This, just give me the ability to make my own faceless rank and file soldiers that I end up developing into powerhouses by properly assigning stats and skills, I don't care about your quirky witty npc's.
Did they fix the thing where trying to save the guy in the burning building but the fire is still spreading in real time while you're in dialogue with him?
You seem to be mistaken, here let me help you.
Palicos= based lil homies who are cute
Furries= degenerates who deserve to be exiled to Roll20
And even then most furgays aren't into "literally just a housecat wearing a funny hat". If you want to frick a Palico you can go ahead and play in a different campaign, it works as a great gay filter in addition to them just being based.
If you know Volo he is a dunce who is the kind of homosexual that thinks he knows what he's doing with little care about the consequences afterward and goes "OOPS" when he fricks up. He fricks up your eye and you get a permanent debuff that reduces your dex by 1 point, he then leaves the camp since he always slips away from problems he causes whenever he gets in trouble. I actually like these life-altering shit that you and your character need to live with if you decide to do stupid shit.
Pretty shit way to experience the game to be honest since there are many ways to recover and divert the path in BG3. People need to learn how to adapt and recover from failure, everybody just wants to win all the time.
That's not a problem in old CRPG games because they would write some circumstance where being crippled would lend you some advantage or would be a flavourful change to the circumstances like losing an eye or leg would prevent you from getting caught because the bad people are looking for a nimble parkour character. In Fallout 1 and 2 having moron-level intelligence actually changed the script of the game and in some cases hostile enemies would just let you go thinking you're too stupid to be harmful.
That being said, there should never really be an incentive to let some moron poke at your eye with a needle.
I wouldn't be entirely surprised if there's a magical item in a later act that gives you +2 INT or something but you have to have gotten your eye gouged out
I think they should double down and see if the player learned their lesson and give an option to have some other untrustworthy person at your eyes and if you fail you lose your other eye forcing your character to go on a non-optional sidequest at great expense to purchase enchanted eyes.
And your special unlock reward is that your companions don't stop giving you shit about your eyes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Would be funny.
2 years ago
Anonymous
1. "Oh man I really don't want to crawl through that tunnel that contains random sharp pointy objects on literally every single surface"
2. "But treasure!"
1. "But there are numerous bodies there, shit looks dangerous, I mean I can SEE them, I still have ONE good EYE"
2. "Don't be a pussy."
1. "Okay."
*trips on a random femur, falls, impales remaining eye on sharp spike*
All companion greetings change to some wisecrack about you being blind or how they found a neat eyepatch store behind the building-sized glowing mushroom that's surrounded by not just corpses but dismembered corpses that you just passed by.
He knocks your eye out and gives you a glass one or something to replace it. I imagine it's a pretty substantial debuff, like how you can sacrifice your eye in Expedition Rome and essentially can't get critical hits with your MC anymore for the rest of the game.
In 2020, they said the cap was 10. Later they said it will be higher, so its probably going to be 12 and not any higher to avoid having to do more spells.
Most if not all 5E adventures end 10-12 because higher level shit is fricking dumb.
4-6, kinda just depends. For "Save or die" rulesets like BG1/2, absolutely need higher slots since lacking tools can simply make you unable to solve an encounter. For campaigns where problems can be solved by many classes, 4 can be better for pacing and character involvement.
4-6 seems to be a nice number, but I think it really depends on the type of game. If you're expecting casualties and permadeath, then even for an RPG, something like 12+ party members is great... And there were many times in the BG games that I went solo or with just one or two extra party members, but I don't think that's feasible for a new player.
That actually makes me wonder, what do you anons think is the perfect party size for a cRPG?
I actually hate controlling NPCs because I never put as much thought or care into them. I just can't connect with an NPC as much as I can with the character I am actively roleplaying as. I played most of DOS2 using lonewolf and I spent a majority of patch 5 BG3 EA finding ways to play alone or just with my GF and not controlling the NPCs. I would say give us an option to have them be a shitty combat AI that I don't have to manage and only appears in combat, but that wouldn't really work. Also, the pawns in DDDA make me hate AI partners, so I'd probably just be frustrated.
How does Co-op work for a game like this? One person does all the talking? Can you set it so only one person controls the NPC party members or does the party have to be divided in half?
All players can initiate conversations, other players can listen in or do their own thing. Control of various characters can be divided among the players, equally or unequally as you desire.
Are they even trying?
I get it's a gnome, there's no really much you can do. But, how the frick has it taken them 2 years to add such a simple race? Why are all the races just recolored humans?
When is Larian and the rest of these limp dick dogshit devs going to understand that RPG's need the option to form your entire team at the start and build every character yourself?
Nobody who isn't an addled coombrain wants to get saddled with a bunch of moronic prostitutes and extras so poorly and sloppily written they they are guaranteed to be the product of autistic fujoshis with zero real world experience in love or even basic human interaction. No I don't want my little fictional computer figures bumping uglies, this isn't the fricking sims we're playing, nor a visual novel. Get that deranged romance shit out of this genre you fricking gayhags and focus on finishing the fricking game before we all die from old age.
The game is gonna be fantastic. It's already great and improving in early access alone. I just hope Larian doesn't pull a Larian and make it heavily front loaded.
I wouldn't be surprised. Act 1 still has >Gith Creche, Selune Temple in the Underdark, Cursed Shadowlands
and finally the Moonrise Towers all to be added. I can't imagine after both OS1 and 2 suffer from the last third/half of the game being not as high quality that it couldn't happen again.
>The game is gonna be fantastic. It's already great and improving in early access alone.
Denial. I would be interested in hearing what you think is fantastic about it though... Or what you think has been improved.
I enjoy the dialogue and the many options available based on race or class we have already. The gameplay is fun and I'm a fan of the battle system, it's a direct improvement over Original Sin 1 and 2 in terms of how it feels.
As for what's been improved, I got early access day 1 and so much has been improved over time. Cutscenes for one, dialogue, the camp system. It's a long list.
Interesting. I've owned D:OS2 for years but haven't gone past the main menu. The dialogue isn't good at all, but it's not the worst I've seen in the fantasy genre. The voice acting is absolute trash pompous garbage though, I can say that for certain. I don't remember everyone in the BG series speaking with haughty faux British accents.
As someone with early-early access, I can also say that replaying the (currently sub-mediocre) game over and over with each patch isn't something I believe that players do, as referenced by our previous BG3 threads.
Why the frick do they just have a normal human head on a tiny body? the proportions are fricked.
I've been wondering for a very long time now. It has been asked on their forums and the Steam discussions, and it has been ignored by the developers.
sounds like u just dont video games. dos2 story and dialogue wasnt amazing or anything but it was better than most other rpgs out there. the combat was the most fun aspect and the multiple choices to peruse everything.
lmfao. >got porblem with poor quality? guess u juts dotn vido games ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2 years ago
Anonymous
u said u never got past main menu, u're not fit to judge its quality u mentally ill moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ohhh, okay. I'm sorry, I genuinely misunderstood you. It's actually >yuo didnt play this game?? sounds liek u juts dotn vido games ¯_(ツ)_/¯
You do realize that they aren't just sitting there making gnomes and classes, that what we get via updates isn't the whole story, right? They're working on the rest of the acts.
It's true though.
homosexual.
What point are you trying to make exactly? If you don't like poor quality videogames you just don't like videogames in general? I'm really trying to understand what your hurt ass is attempting to get across.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They literally said the entire game is almost in orange box state, which means its play start to finish and just needs to be polished and refined until each section is gold box aka done.
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2 years ago
Anonymous
>which means its play start to finish and just needs to be polished
That's the biggest lol in this thread. The game isn't anywhere close to being "finished" unless you're using the new standard industry Early Access definition.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No shit, it won't release until like Q2 2023. What we have, isn't what they've done.
It's almost like something happened in late 2019 that took the industry over a year to fully recover from. Can't really put my finger on what that could've been...
That would have made sense if they werent updating during that period. They were still updating and the result is >Some classes >Gnomes
Cope all you want but it seems to me that sven overexpanded and every branch was filled with money wasting trannies and now the game is stuck despite the tons of sales it made initially.
You do realize that they aren't just sitting there making gnomes and classes, that what we get via updates isn't the whole story, right? They're working on the rest of the acts.
They have said from the start early access will only see Act 1.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they have called it anon you cant say anything about 2 years have passed and nothing but gnomes if you say something then youre it ha!
cope
2 years ago
Anonymous
>suddenly drops his demands of "where" Act 2+ is as if it was promised and not delivered
2 years ago
Anonymous
What the frick did he mean by this? >Early Access will only ever contain act 1 >wtf why is there only act 1?!?!
2 more years anons, they have said its gonna be only act 1 so its ok
2 years ago
Anonymous
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you honestly think only Gnomes have been added in this time. Perhaps you should go peruse all the patch notes and educate yourself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ah yea sorry I forgot the bard class
2 years ago
Anonymous
They also made Shadowheart less of a b***h. If only they did the same for that raging c**t frog.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think they will, the Gith are buttholes so she fits the type.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then she's a waste of a companion slot. What kind of limp dick cuck actually recruits her?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They also made Shadowheart less of a b***h
Yea that would unironically take 2 years. What was the troony who created the char thinking?
2 years ago
Anonymous
They've been updating the graphics, lighting systems, art, presentation such as cinematics and dialogue, quests and things all around as well while developing the actual game, it's not a small thing. To pretend like they've done nothing in 2 years is ignorant.
2 years ago
Anonymous
dude is blatantly fishing for replies
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yep. The fricking state of Ganker, given how many replies the homosexual has already gotten
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yep. The fricking state of Ganker, given how many replies the homosexual has already gotten
Yeah I'm aware I'm just moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They are only pretending to be stuck in developement hell
holy cope
2 years ago
Anonymous
What the frick did he mean by this? >Early Access will only ever contain act 1 >wtf why is there only act 1?!?!
You dont get it. The game is supposed to be 4-5 chapters and they only released chapter 1. Its been 2 years plus 1-2 years before release and all they did is some classes and gnomes.
>They told everyone exactly what early access would contain when they announced it. It's the same as Original Sin 2.
And what it contains up until now since initial release should have been done in 4 months not 2 years
>they're not showing us the other acts yet that must mean they don't exist
Can you kindly frick off? Thanks.
>I don't know how Larian has done 2 early access games in a row with the same shit
They put out act 1 for feedback/money, and at release add the rest of the game. IIRC for KM and WOTR you only had the first 2-3 chapters too. 4-5 came with release.
1 year for both OS1 and 2. Except they came out buggy, and the back half felt unfinished/REALLY buggy. Arx was bug fixed, then once again both games required Enhanced Edition a year after full launch. So realistically, 2 years for both game.
Just looking at the visual upgrade, doing cinematic for dialog like Bioware, CDPR aka much bigger and established companies is the #1 cause of t his taking so long.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Im just reading the recent negative reveiws on steam. Half of them cry about how it was supposed to be only 1 year before full release they other half cry about bugs. 2 years of nothing and still full of bugs.
OS2 had that half-baked DM mode where people could make their own levels, paper map imports and dialog and no one used it. Its probably too much work to add those tools in for how little people used it. I would hope maybe its just there for people to do it themselves though, since this combat system is just aligned with 5E enough that people would make custom campaigns like NWN
Apparently there are Paladin files in the game but Larian is having issues with something 5e related and translating it to a videogame but I don't know from Paladins so I can't give details.
Probably trying to figure out how to streamline Smites. In 5e, you can decide whether or not to add one after you make the attack, but they probably don't want the game playing mother-may-I with the player on EVERY attack like Solasta did.
It's not impossible to make something minimally intrusive that doesn't linger, and then you have it for every opt in diceroll like inspiration die, like stunning strike, you can give precision strike to battlemasters, you can have a reasonable implementation of hellish rebuke and shield and every other reaction spell.
There's a huge number of people familiar with 5e now who are going to get the game and be very disappointed that none of this stuff works the way they're familiar with.
Probably trying to figure out how to streamline Smites. In 5e, you can decide whether or not to add one after you make the attack, but they probably don't want the game playing mother-may-I with the player on EVERY attack like Solasta did.
They already figured it out, they just will do it with how superiority die is implemented. Its got its own icon on the bar, you can "upcast" it, and if you miss it refunds the spell slot. Can't crit fish, maybe also can't use it for AoO attacks.
There is no methodology of how they release classes in order, on paper you could say Bard should have been last for a reactions rework but instead they just implemented a different spell entirely and called it Cutting Words
I've got faith, bro... *cough*... this is the *cough* the one... finally... finally, after all these years... I'll finally be able to bang a qt goblin... *hack* *wheeze* it's gonna... gonna happen... this time...
Did they re-gender the male goblin to that, because that already existed. Some goblin had a ring on his foot you could use Dex to grab off. Or intimidate him to kiss your foot.
No, it's afterwards. If you make the goblin kiss your feet one of the goblins watching when spoken to will nervously ask what it felt like and says she wishes she can have her toes kissed too.
They're using his name and his death being the catalyst for the return of Bhaal. Pretty sure the rest of the shitty novelization is being ignored, considering some of the stuff in BG3 (like Jaheira being alive and Minsc being a mighty warrior instead of a scrawny lunatic) directly contradicts its bullshit.
WOTC flat out said those books are non canon. We actually don't know what happened to CHARNAME now, they could even pull something akin to what they did in DOS2 with Lucian and make CHARNAME a boss.
We actually do know, there was a mini-module released entitled "Murder In Baldur's Gate", wherein Abdel Adrian (they actually used the novelization name) is confronted by a final Bhaalspawn, they fight, one of them dies, the Slayer is unleashed, the heroes manage to put a stop to its rampage, and Bhaal returns to the Forgotten Realms alongside his buddies Myrkul and Bane, and they immediately go off to kick the shit out of Cyric and get back the domains he stole from them.
Stop posting ints doa
That looks more like a fricking goblin then a gnome.
Also why do Gnomes and Halflings both exist?
I firmly believe that Halflings should just be Hobbit stand-ins. Gnomes are the bane of all that is good and deserve no love from anyone or anything.
They were and then Tolkien (estate) sued.
Halflings were honbits in the earliest editions before they had to change it for legal issues
Its why they have the lucky racial, its a reference to how fricking lucky toilken hobbit squad was
Because autistic nerds need to be able to categorize races into neat little niches, gotta have a short human race for fighting, another one for thiefing and a third one for magicing, it's all very moronic
>autistic nerds need to be able to categorize races
Its funny how that swings in a lot of directions.
Gnomes have to be le manic and Halflings just hobbits.
gnomes are just halflings with colored wigs
Gnomes also have pointed ears
Yes, it feels like a polished video game now. Except keep waiting
>Also why do Gnomes and Halflings both exist?
Because in virtually every fantasy universe they are two separate races?
He is clearly asking why having both in an universe when they are almost the same shit
>Also why do Gnomes and Halflings both exist?
If halflings are like mini people, gnomes are like mini elves or dwarves, depending on the gnome type
Than* you inbred mutt
gnomes are fey and mystical, halflings are soulful underdogs
gnomes are annoying little pieces of shit, halflings are chill bros here to have a good time
but gnomes still aren't as bad as kender
>That looks more like a fricking goblin then a gnome.
They just have to turn everything into joggers and pakis huh?
It would be kino as frick if the gnomes just looked like garden gnomes. The only customization options would be the color of your pointy hat and the style of your beard. You would have no options to customize your face, because you would never see it in game.
Yea forest gnomes fit the bill the most but I dont trust larian after the george floyd elves.
I am 99% certain those are Deep Gnome (Svirfneblin).
Nothing to do with Larian, that's what gnomes who live in the Underdark look like, very different from other gnomes.
I'm just going to assume no one here knows anything about 5e since it was never brought up. Of course, I can tell some people here do know 5e so clearly they just don't care.
This anon is correct, the one in ops image is a deep gnome. That said I still think the gnomes look fricking weird in Baldurs Gate 3. Give them green skin and they'd look like a goblin.
>Give them green skin and they'd look like a goblin.
Look I'm not gonna pretend this means much, but 5e art and race art is kind of whack
What they need to do is add some solidness to the model by default since deep gnomes are pretty hard.
*hardy
I don't even mean in terms of the art but the actual game. They look fricking weird.
Look, it's an improvement, ha ha.
oh no
So are Deep Gnomes actually Svirfneblin then?
I do know about 5e. The amount of care I have for 5e is close, though slightly higher, than the amount of care I have about pathfinder. Which is roughly the amount of care I have for my shit once it is flushed down the toilet.
Pathfinder is peak moronation. 5e tried to slow down the moronation, but failed completely. Now we're becoming increasingly moronic with every years, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
So I'll b***h about deep gnomes, thank you very much.
Last I heard, WotC is doing the Patreon thing? When you have 25% of the guidebook if you pledged $5, 50% of the guidebook if you pledged $10, and 100% of the guidebook if you pledged more. That is so israeli, there is no tongues in the language of men or israelites to even begin to describe the israeliness.
Wizards' Judaism reared its head long ago if you paid attention to the shit they started pulling with MTG
>It doesnt literally look like a garden gnome so I hate Black folk
ladies and gentlemen, video games
>>It doesnt literally look like a garden gnome so I hate Black folk
Dont put words in my mouth, I hate them either way.
>why do Gnomes and Halflings both exist?
for breeding
Ewwwwwwwwwwww...
rude
Looks like an average filip*no to me, and I mean that specifically
gnomes and halflings can be different things.
Niiiice.
Nyls new shit has been insane compared to his older stuff. Those BG3 model imports are great.
god women are gross
>100GB CRPG
let me guess, it runs like shit
There's no way. Literally how?
uncompressed 4k textures that look like shit anyway
>100GB
And it's only Act 1.
did the game change a lot since then?
Just wait for it to release, they're not going to release acts 2 and 3 until then anyways.
So is this outfit in the game yet or what?
>game still hasn't released
I have no idea why they bothered to make early access so damn early
Its basically all because of visuals. Much higher quality world and models, and every dialog requires animation and camera work for the cutscene.
Its modded in IIRC, but in the game files for some npc to wear so its going to be in.
2020 lockdowns frick shit up hared.
Stupid Black folk like you are the reason they can get away with stuff like this.
So they can polish all the gameplay with feedback from their player base
That just means the released game will be trash.
and then we will have no one to blame but ourselves for giving bad advice when the final product sucks, eliminating any blame blame that could fall to the devs. a marvelous system indeed
>and then we will have no one to blame but ourselves
Like that'll stop anyone.
It's significantly better than it was on first release
Larian is better off doing it this way because they make so many mistakes
>It's significantly better than it was on first release
And its still shit.
So stop talking about it
The game can't hurt you if you stop looking at it and thinking about it
Do you even know where you are?
>release and show nothing but Act 1 content
>expecting shit to be actually good after it
maybe this time will be different...
Swen himself said that the more content they pump into Act 1, the more they neglect the shit after it and the more time they need to work on post-Act 1 stuff.
But they haven't been doing this.
Or are you telling me that they finally fixed the halflings?
What is wrong with halflings besides being shrunk humans? The only thing not being touched, at all seemingly, is reactions
He thinks they're too chesty.
They changed halflings from scaled down humans to humans with dwarfism. They started to look strange in 4e, but 5e is where I think things really went off the rails.
The halflings in BG3 especially suffer from this thematic change.
5e halfling is a horror show
BEHOLD
What's wrong, anon? Don't you want your fantasy hero to be a literal midget? :^)
Immediately made me think of "Bighead mode" cheats from older vidya, holy shit.
this is just a placeholder, right? thats just Shannon from accounts payable with a birth defect
I REALLY hope so.
See that's why I'm confused. Gnomes were already pretty close to Warwick Davis, so to diminish the already-minimal visual differences between the two races is a strange move.
>ACTUAL real life midget proportions
Honestly isn't it about time that a game let's you play as a human with dwarfism? You can play as Warwick Davis and be an absolute wiener to everyone.
Why the frick do they just have a normal human head on a tiny body? the proportions are fricked.
I want some good fricking art, Jack.
Yeah it's not great.
It's terrible. It looks like they squished a human model down vertically, but left (or even increased the size of) the head. The only reason I could imagine them doing this is to keep armor textures somewhat consistent without needing to change them for every race. The strange body proportioning not being a mistake is possible, I just really hope that's not the case.
I'm telling you, they are mimicking the source material. I just wish they wouldn't in this case.
There's plenty of good source material for them to choose from, but they specifically went for Disproportionate Dwarfism.
tbh ALL of the races have some strange ugliness to them, and the devs are wondering why players went with the vault dweller.
No I mean 5e source material. That is what a 5e gnome looks like, no way around it. They are working directly with WotC to make a 5e product, so I have to wonder how much freedom they have on this.
well they already made the proportions less completely horrific so they might have a bit of freedom in that regard
>they already made the proportions less completely horrific
Anyone able to confirm with some chargen screenshots? I won't want to download a ~30 gig patch to be disappointed like last time.
I just meant in comparison to the official 5E art
Unfortunate. I'm still disappointed, but you've spared me a little more disappointment.
I believe it's what gnomes have always looked like? Which is another reason I find it strange that they changed halflings to look like this as well.
Sorry, meant to say halfling.
All 5e art is fricking horrible, but everything beyond 3.5 was shit. 3.5 was pure soul.
Forgot my pic. Left is 3e, probably the golden age of D&D art. Middle and right come from the 5e I believe... You can see the degeneration of artistic talent available to Wizards over time.
>5e art and race art is kind of whack
No kidding.
It's the fricking head, they have tiny bodies with giant heads and it looks fricking creepy, instead of just being a manlet human.
isn't that a svirfneblin? if so, it's accurate
>no halfling girl companions
>no gnome girl companions
>no dwarf girl companions
>there'll never be a romance option that isn't an endless rehash of the same slop-bucket bottom tier dogshit races like human, elf and whatever dumb flavors of the month the devs coombrained over like tieflings.
Fricking repugnant. Western RPG's are like an ocean full of stale piss when it comes to romance options.
A halfing girl bard companion was datamined a few patches ago, but I don't think we're getting any new companions until release.
Isn't she supposed to be a werewolf?
Must be a small wolf.
>Halfling bard companion
>not the tiefling bard from the camp
Aren't we getting a tiefling Barbarian or something?
as long as it's still a cute tiefling girl
They made her much cuter than her original model. Trannies on plebbit and twitter are still super salty.
Yes, the one who is wounded and hiding from the cultists masquerading as pallies.
but there will be a halfling girl companion, possibly romanceable too
Look we have a Linzie but this time you can frick her!
Buy ma gmae plz.
Compared to?
Lae zel doesn't really fit that mold. She's a cruel prostitute that follows her culture to a T. Everyone on here cries about it, they want their tsundere anime gf that's soft at heart actually and not cuck them.
Shadow hearts background is kind of interesting, Gales story is interesting too.
The token Black person and vampire don't really have much going for them
Wyll's a cool dude, Shadowheart's neat, and I think it's funny watching Gale get the shit kicked out of him repeatedly. Can't stand the gith or the vampire spawn myself.
The vampire spawn is just a boring cliche of the genre.
The gith prostitute is a good character because she's supposed to be a c**t that's hard to understand why she acts this way other than just stereotyping her race as a whole.
Do companions notice if you kill other companions? I'd hypothetically want to kill the githyanki to remove her from the plot but I dont want Shadowheart to know I'm a murderer in case she remembers she's a good girl and hates me for it.
send them to their deaths instead ?
No, that would be bad writing.
Shart kinda dislikes if you snitch on Astarion to the vampire hunter and Laezel admires you if you stake Astarion after he tries to suck your blood
But how long do they remember this sort of thing?
not for long since relationships between companions aren't final, shart and laezel try to kill eachother very early on but because it's only act 1 for ea they didn't include it yet.
I'm worried about a Fallout 4 situation where the followers forget about each other's existance entirely.
Wyll and Gale cause a stink if you do some evil shit in the story, but I don't think they have any particular reaction to killing party members.
Regardless, if you take the gith to meet the patrol in the northwest area of the map and she will leave your party to go talk to them. At this point you can just leave instead of going to talk to them with her and she'll be dead bthe next time you come back there.
While realistic, from a narrative sense that's also bad writing.
I'll probably just keep her alive I guess. No point in buying a triple A game and cucking myself out of the plot. But on my second run I'm only going to keep Shadowheart as follower and play with custom party.
when you find lae'zel in the cage you can side with shadowheart and attack her there, companions won't care because lae'zel wa never a companion.
if you kill them in the camp or during some of the later events, yes they will care. some will approve and some will really dislike it. makes sense really, party morale cant be high if you kill each other
What am I really curious about is if they will force you to ditch party members at the end of act 1, like they did in DOS2. I suspect they might
It seems unlikely, BG is more built around having a large party you can swap around rather than four characters you can build however you like
Plus Lae'zel talks alot of shit, but when she meets the other Gith kinda goes into her shell a bit when they basically call her out for being a peon. People basing characters off an unfinished act are dumb as hell.
All I want is a female goblin romance.
Is that too much to ask for?....
Apparently it is.
Don't give up. Never surrender.
This should only be an option if mc is also goblin.
Apartheid ended years ago, you bigot. Interspecies relationships between humans (male) and goblins (female) are valid and beautiful.
Green wart covered fingers typed this post.
This
Get the frick outta here. That's just some human woman shrunk down turned green with clip on ears.
what about now?
imagine being filtered by a game because it doesn't allow you to have your pedo fantasy and diddle some children
hello david gaider
I hope you die in a Chinese metal sheet press accident, Gaider.
That halfling werewolf girl you're all talking about is a gross old granny. Her model was datamined and she's fricking old and disgusting. Sorry bros, it's over.
Ah, that's a shame.
Pic related LOL here's your halfling romance shortstack bros
Who knows, Larian's degenerate enough, maybe there's a questline to get a youth potion or something.
>we will never get a good shorty romance in a CRPG
Crazy to think the closest we ever came were the couple Mazzy romance mods in BG2 that died on the vine.
that doesn't look much like a bard
it looks like you actually can romance helia as well as minsc. dataminers found a new voice line from astarion that he says when you switch from romancing minsc/helia to him. they play at 0:19 and 0:47
>romancing Minsc
That has to be full comedy right? How could you romance that tard unironically.
i have no fricking idea who wanted this but it looks like theyre doing it. it sounds terrible
Kinda pissed out of all the companions they could asspull from BG1/2 they chose Minsc.
Most of them are dead. Minsc himself was dead until a Wild Mage fricked up a spell near a statue of him.
They could've been creative with people like Edwin. Maybe Viconia. Both more interesting to me than Minsc.
Minsc is the biggest meme from BG1/2, so naturally Larian, meme-loving fricks that they are, would include him
This, he's a reddit-esque Marvel tier memer who quips every five seconds, so it makes sense. Sadly, he's at the end of the list of characters I want to return. There's just not much you can do with his character beyond "FOOT STOMP BAD GUY BUTT, RIGHT BOO?!?!?!"
You could fix his brain damage at some point during the game and make him an actual character. Not like that'll ever happen though.
the plot twist is Boo got a tadpole
Jaheira and Viconia have already been datamined and there are hints Imoen might return as well.
Data mined as companions or more like cameos?
>half-elf and drow
No problem.
>Edwin being a lich or atleast an all powerful guy staying alive due to magic
Sure
>Imoen
Nah
The Harpers are in the Cursed Shadowlands, I think Jaheira is there too. Probably some level of temp companion/questline
>Harpers
Well I think I already found *that* part of the game. I hate the Harpers.
You'll probably get to kill them like you did in BG2. I don't think Larian views them in a more flattering light than Black Isle did - lore-wise, Elminster himself has since given up on the organization as a lost cause too in love with its own influence to fulfill its goals of peace, freedom, and equality.
>You'll probably get to kill them like you did in BG2
How is this achieveable, please? Do you just go back in after talking to Xzar the final time?
If you do Jaheiras questline you end up slaughtering all of them since she refuses to turn you in and so they try to kill you both.
Thanks! Didn't care to have her in my parties, and I hate the timed do or die poison quests, but I'll definitely check this out. Is it a party member questline or a romance questline though?
Party member questline, though you can do it during the romance as well, if I'm not mistaken.
>Imoen
No.
She's half god/a fricking Wizard in D&D, if they want her to still be alive they can easily handwave the typical Human lifespan. There's already dialogue and books referencing her in the game, it's unlikely they would bother doing that if she doesn't show up in some capacity.
I know. My "no" was more "I hate that little b***h and her voice actress both and don't ever want to see or hear her again"
What did her voice actress do?
Annoy me.
>heya its me imoen this way i care not yep watcha want i'm gone puffguts woulda told me a storyyyyy
Yer a queer fellow.
She was the most popular character in both games so it wouldn't be surprising if they brought her back.
>HEYA
>ITS ME
>IMOEN
>and there are hints Imoen might return as well.
Rape mods are BACK on the menu.
That mod where you can romance her and eventually break her will so she turns evil was pretty alright.
Reminder that Larian will cuck you 20 years later with their moronic OCs. Jaheira's confirmed fricking the bara Druid you can bet the same with Aerie, Viconia and your imouto Imoen.
I romanced Keldorn via mod so this is irrelevant to me.
Aerie hasn't been mentioned at all, her romance was way too pure and family oriented for current year, it's more likely that they're going to write her out by having her canonically return to Faen'dal.
>That has to be full comedy right? How could you romance that tard unironically.
Well in the original game, I remember Minsc and Dynaheir's relationship having some romantic undertones to it.
There was absolutely zero romance implied in the original Baldurs Gate, for any character.
>There was absolutely zero romance implied in the original Baldurs Gate, for any character.
God you're such a lying homosexual.
All of the Baldurs Gate companions in the first game are bare bones characters that have a few barks and some introduction dialogue, outside of established relationships like Jaheira-Khalid, Kivans dead wife or Coran being a flirt, there is nothing there. Your modded version of the game with fan fiction NPC dialogue is not part of the actual characterization of BG1 NPCs.
You're already backpedaling on your initial claims, your opinions are worthless.
Skie is in love with Eldoth, though he doesn't love her.
You haven't actually played the game for more than two hours.
If you think the Skie and Eldoth quest counts as "romance" you probably think Garricks introduction quest counts as "romance" as well.
>If you think the Skie and Eldoth quest counts as "romance"
>There was absolutely zero romance implied
Hahahaha.
Khalid & Jaheira:
*exists*
Like seriously Black person are you just trying to distract from the horrible looking halflings of BG3 or what?
He's just a fricking moron.
I think the original point, which I think was about the PC romancing Minsc being fricking moronic, has merit. He's immediately wrong about there being no romance for any character though, because the first shit Minsc spews at you is that he wants your help to rescue his woman.
Yeah I know, I'm the guy who said there was romantic undertones to the whole Minsc-Dynaheir situation and he responded by saying there was no romance hinted in the game at all like the moron he is.
Minsc is just her bodyguard, she's a Wychalaran, any of the ones that leave Rasheman have a Berserker to guard them, usually several. Minsc is not Kevin Costner and Dynaheir is not Whitney Houston, he wants to save her because that's his mission. Do you really think the writers of the original BG were trying to give the brain damaged guy with a hamster a love interest? Romancegays are a blight on CRPGs.
>the only half pint romance option will be an old granny who looks like a dude
iirc some of the lines they pulled from previous patches when you are playing as helia have npcs refer to her as a kid or a girl so that might not be her actual model. we won't know for sure until they pull voice lines though
its a game made by fricking Tiefling mains, you knew what you where gettin yourself into
Because no one but you wants that you fricking weirdo
>doesn't want a wholesome romance with a qt shortstack waifu who smiles and blushes prettily as she cranes her neck up to gaze upon you
I prefer my women at LEAST 5'10. Slack jaw homosexuals like womenlets
Looks like we're at an impasse and will have to agree to disagree.
Big girls! Little girls! Girls who climb on rocks!
Me but with Goblins.
You are saying that short people don't deserve love? Fricking moron.
BioWare initially didn't think players would want to frick a Quarian or Turian either. How'd that go?
it is absolutely baffling to me that they thought no one would want to romance Tali initially
The Quarian decision was more about not being able to see their faces, according to the devs. But the Turian one, yeah, that was a miscalculation, given how popular Garrus was for femsheps to romance. And I love how the only good thing about Andromeda was the cute female Turian that you could romance.
I think more romance options beyond the vanilla elf/human pairing is a good thing, and don't understand the reluctance to give players the choice. A sweet story about a human/elf falling for a dwarf/halfling/gnome/goblin despite their differences could be awesome.
>not being able to see their faces
That and not being able to get under their suits. The "i can take stuff to make it okay" excuse was made up for 2 specifically because players wanted to bang Tali something fierce
PALADIN????????
Not in yet, unfortunately.
Paladins aren't really Paladins now anyway. You can even get ... evil "Paladins".
What are you talking about? The classic Lawful Nice knight in shining armour is still very much a thing. Just pick Oath of Devotion, which will 100% be one of the subclasses.
you could make evil paladins from the start in 4E, and blackguards were a thing in 3rd
All these classes should be in the game
>no Illusionist
Illusionist is a wizard specialization you pick at level 2....pretty op in the table top if you are creative and don't have a metagaming dm.
Do you even 5e bro? Like 90% of those classes are not classes in 5e d&d.
>diabologist
>"MooooOOOOoom I'm not a devil worshipper! I'm a Diabologist!!!"
Vecna is a person, not a character class
Well it isn't happening, devs are going to include all of the classes from the Player's Handbook. So that leaves Paladin and Monk left and that'll be it
Wtf does this picture even mean??? I'm going insaaaaaaaane aaaaaaaa
For me its world leader, the best class
>final upgrades are
>part-god
>president
>powerful but still mundane existing lore character (somehow)
>GOD
how is this at all balanced
Who the frick made this?
It's moronic. Looks like it was dreamt up by an autistic preteen.
What's the issue?
I'm never letting some homosexual gnome into my party anyway.
>BG3
>Not a single person who worked on any BG is working on BG3
>Larian has yet to make a game with a passable story
>helms Baldur's fricking Gate
I genuinely don't understand why anyone would be excited. moronic zoomies who don't understand its a cash grab or moronic boomies who are so starved for a game in the genre they're excited for what is certainly garbage?
Bg3 shouldn't even be made.
They aren't even continuing the story of the first two games.
The story of the first two games concluded. Even the original BG3 from Black Isle that didn't get finished was a brand new unrelated story.
They are, though. Bhaal is back in the FR canon and the Dead Three play an unknown at this point but important role in the story, probably as the puppet masters of the Ilithids.
That's just because the current forgotten realms canon is dogshit.
FR canon has always been dogshit. Anyway, Bhaal returning is exactly what he had prepared for in creating the Bhaalspawn.
FR canon used to be good imo.
During 2nd.
>They are, though
They aren't, though. They're continuing the story that Murder in Baldur's Gate started with "ackchyually everything that happened in the game's was Bhaal's gigabrain plan and nothing you did mattered because you were his puppet the whole time"
Don't forget to catch up on your official Baldur's Gate lore! Everyone is still around, even Irenicus because he's a lich now. Also Sarevok became a homeless drug addict before wandering into a temple of Bhaal and becoming a priest.
So they're continuing the story of the first two games then, is what you're saying.
Is that what you got from BG1/2? Games you definitely played for real, right?
I've never played any Baldurs gate games I just want to beat some combat puzzles.
Because back in the day, Gygax decided to add Tolkien races to the game, and when demihumans could start actually choosing classes, he decided to add a shorty race that was naturally suited to the Mage class, since dwarves were naturally suited to Fighter and hobbits were naturally suited to Thief.
Yeah Larian have clearly said it will connect. BG2 doesn't connect at all to Bhaal, the Bhaalspawn dilemma, Sarevok etc and is more about what it means to be a Bhaalspawn as Jon sucks your soul so he can suck off a tree.
>he doesn't want a multiplayer turnbased DND engine that most certainly will have the same custom campaign stuff that Divinity had
if the gameplay is fun I can excuse the game not being a direct tie in to BG2.
Well I cant because its not baldurs gate and youre stupid
>ur a poopyhead
truly we have a titan of intellect here, also it does tie into BG2 I remembered assuming https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Illithid_Correspondence this is the early stages of the squidboys plan in BG3.
Different devs cheap cash in knockoff nugaming not my childhood bad and unfun raping my anus shut up
I'm the guy you replied to and you seemed to miss the point of my post. I don't care that it's not a direct tie in (even though allegedly it is?) BG is a series carried by storytelling & characters. The Devs of this game have not ever written a compelling story nor are they capable of writing believable characters.
those two things do not go well together.
this is a soulless cash grab on the BG name.
I know this is going to come off as dickriding Larian and I agree their writing isn't great but I don't think this is going to be on them. It's going to be in part from Wizards for not recognizing the importance of getting the story and characters right. I play Magic and Magic's story is fricking awful I mean probably the worst because not only do they write dogshit, what little good they do write is immediately ruined because it's a wholly shit environment.
Wizards bends to any and every social trend right now. Like, I don't fricking know which company you'd bring in to write compelling narrative. I only know that bringing in Larian is the best move because they can at least make a game when no company can make a game OR write good narrative. Like who the frick would you get to write a good game in Western games development? Wizards won't even fricking pay to ensure that their paper doesn't bend when exposed to air, why the frick would they shell out for the best writers in fantasy fiction, which they would have to import from elsewhere because the games industry doesn't fricking have good writers anymore. And nobody's going to ask the Japanese because communication barriers and I'm not saying the Japanese are overrun in writing talent but they have some people whereas I can't fricking name anybody left in Western gaming who hasn't been cancelled to frick.
There's only one fricking Neil Gaiman in the world. And he's expensive as frick. I fricking want Mike Carey to write a video game but nobody knows who the frick he is because gamers are fricking moronic especially Wizards. I know I have no proof of this but the moment I knew Wizards was doing this I knew it was going to be shit. I knew there's no fricking way Larian, the golden child, could produce a good product with them involved.
Kneel Gayman is dead to me
I am a purist and separate the artist from the art. And as sad as I am to see Gaiman shit the bed, you cannot deny you want that man writing shit.
And I don't know about you but we don't have enough fricking talent to start cancelling talent who says something completely fricking stupid.
Someone told me to read Book of the Fallen. But I'm sure you understand and would agree that we could sit here and name names and at no point could you survey from all of Wizards or Larian who could name 10% of whatever list we come up with.
Erikson is an amazing talent. I'd love to see him write games. Problem is how much scope do these writers get anymore? Erikson would go full autism and like his publishers before they would tell him to tone it down.
Am I lacking context? What is exactly wrong with that tweet?
Just get Ken Levine.
For me, it's a game written by Steven Erickson. Worldbuilding lore autism at MAXIMUM.
>incompetent company 1 and 2 get together to make GAME.
This does not activate neurons. I do appreciate you being a real human though.
I don't know anything about the man whatsoever but this twitter screencap seems... correct?
on an unrelated note I knew one Black Isle developer. he left the industry after Lionheart and became a fricking real estate agent.
the tweet is correct
but then he went and vehemently defended casting this character with a black actress
whoops
>Netflix
Miss me with that shit.
Which character? Batman?
>but then he went and vehemently defended casting this character with a black actress
No shit, he's under Netflix contract. Even Mark Hamill bowed when he shit talked mouse too much.
>>
>I genuinely don't understand why anyone would be excited. moronic zoomies who don't understand its a cash grab
>cash grab
>game that's been in active development this long
That's a weird point to make. Why can't a game with a big title attached to it that you can currently buy for full price and is being developed with WotC not be a cashgrab just because they are going to take time to develop and finish it?
That said, I agree it's not a cash grab, your argument is just kind of stunted.
Cashgrab inherently means something quick and lazy done to make a quick buck. This is years of development on a much larger scale than Larian has done before on a bigger budget than they've had before.
Whats the phrase for when you use an IP to try and sell a product that people otherwise wouldn't buy? this is in no way shape or form BG3, and yet
>finish it.
remains to be seen tbqh.
A cash grab. Programs sold on early access over a period of many years (with slow, inconsistent and/or a lack of updates/communication) also fall into that category.
No idea what they were thinking. Too many tabletop players were the cute little halfling so that had to change? That is the kind of mentality that I would expect from nuWiz.
a cash grab still denotes a low-effort, low-quality shitpile with a quick turnaround. BG3 is using an established name to attract attention (and money), but I wouldn't call it a cash grab because of the effort Larian is putting in.
By the same logic you're using, hiring Larian in the first place is also a cash grab on WotC's part because of how popular the DOS games were. There's a difference between using popular names as part of marketing and a cash grab.
bg1/bg2 fanboys r beyond saving, nobody in 2022 cares about ur ancient outdated crpg series that aged terribly. if anything larian making the game brings more attention to baldurs gate. dos2 was bigger than both games.
>if anything larian making the game brings more attention to baldurs gate.
This is not something that anyone wants, though. Hobbyists actively want people like you (unable to spell, among other things) to stay the frick away from the things they love, because the last 30 years have shown that you will do your best to ruin it.
Not him but I think Larian is the best choice a company can make to developing a CRPG. It ought to inspire the absolute most faith in a project's success that they are on the project. I really don't think anybody can name a better company for the job. Yeah sure, Larian isn't perfect, but they're actually the best available. It's strange to hear people shit on them because I can't name a better company doing this thing.
some morons will probably say Owlcat but they can't deliver a functional game to save their life
games are alright for build autism though
Well, yeah, they're using the Pathfinder ruleset. It was published as a haven for the buildhomosexuals who thought 4e was too different from their preferred flavor of autism.
Owlcat games are fine outside of buildtism but I like Larian more especially since they take their time with the fricking game, Owlcat wants it out ASAP so it always comes out a massive mess. They at least give me something to play while I wait for Baldurs Gate though.
How did that work out for them with DOS 1/2 where most of the story was in the first fricking act.
Anyone who knows Larian though shouldn't be surprised they're pulling this trick a third time.
I definitely enjoyed Owlcat's writing but Pathfinder was so slavishly devoted to aspects of CRPGs that make CRPGs insufferable to play. I only finished Pathfinder because friends were playing it too but I sure as frick didn't enjoy the gameplay. Thankfully lots of the writing kept my interest.
Larian's games are good games. They aren't so attached to nostalgia that they must include shit from back in the day they trash what was bad and kept what was good while continuing to produce good. I think the publishers are forcing Larian to put some awful RPG elements into the game, which is compromising what they do but nevertheless they're still the best for the job even if they're directed to do something stupid.
>Obsidian
>Outer Worlds and Pillars
Yeah no. You know as well as I do whatever made New Vegas fun is long gone. If you're saying Obsidian would produce something better than what Larian has already made you're out of your mind.
You know Obsidian exists and have actually made BG games before right?
They're busy making the Skyrim of the Pillars setting, so there's not much hope of them cranking out another Infinity Engine knockoff.
Obsidian has made one good game (and one good expansion) in their entire existence
BG, SWKOTOR, NWN, FNV, POE
what the frick are you smoking.
>lists trash alongside their only good projects
lol
While Obsidian's founders came from Black Isle, the Obsidian of today is nowhere near Black Isle at their peak
NWN2 was not a good game, although Mask of the Betrayer was great
KOTOR 2 has incredible writing and good core mechanics, but is an unfinished buggy mess
FNV is good
POE is trash, and POE2 is worse trash, and when directly compared to their contemporaries, DOS1 and DOS2, it's obvious why Larian would be the better choice.
>POE is trash, and POE2 is worse trash, and when directly compared to their contemporaries, DOS1 and DOS2, it's obvious why Larian would be the better choice.
The White March is genuinely great and should've been a standalone game, while DOS1 is terrible in pretty much every aspect besides gameplay and DOS2 is straight up turn-based Borderlands with much less memorable characters.
poe 2 was shit no one cared about that bombed
if anything, them scrambling for BG3 would reek even more of a cashgrab
>t. Beamdog
Shouldn't have made Dragonspear such a buggy, broken mess, you beatniks.
Bc zoomers never played baldurs gate and they love turned based larian trash
>unironically whining about turn based for a turn based system
Sorry it's stupid for the world to freeze in place while a single character makes an action.
>Larian has yet to make a game with a passable story
>helms Baldur's fricking Gate
You say this like Baldurs Gate had a particularly good story.
>You say this like Baldurs Gate had a particularly good story.
This, really. The first game had a fricking awful story. It had the seeds of a cool idea with the Bhaalspawn, but it was executed terribly.
The second game's story was improved, but not by much. I honestly think people are looking at these two games and their entirely average stories with rose-tinted glasses.
It was still better than anything Larian had ever produced and don't talk to me about shit execution when every fricking Larian game had been a one trick pony of "le witty narrator haha humor so funny" all the fricking time. They are incapable of writing anything serious or with any sort of gravitas, everything has to be constantly quipped and japed about like it's a fricking marvel movie in videogame form.
Larian can produce a good game even if they are weak in the writing department. No company can produce a game as good as them. And it's highly unlikely that any company can write a game better than them at the moment.
We can't go back in time and revive a dead company to write and make the game Larian is making right now. If you can name a better company to make this game then name it but as has been already said multiple times every other company out there is fricking shittier than Larian by miles. I can't even name a second place because they're so far in the distance they all appear the same.
CDPR still has good writers
Larian didn't produce a single memorable game yet, nobody gives a frick about a story and characters even in incredibly successful DOS2. We'll see if BG3 can change that.
Still, I'm certain Dragon's Dogma 2 is going to be a much better than BG3, both as a game and DnD simulator.
I don't know about that, Dragons Dogma will likely be a great action game but I doubt it'll expand on the RPG side of things much.
>not memorable
>incredibly successful and people think of OS2 first above POE and Pathfinder in the modern CRPG era
Yeah the characters/story is whatever, but the world design is more memorable than a well written scene 7 hours in an 80 hour game. People remember puzzles or encounters in OS2, people don't remember shit in WOTR because your expected to fight 2 dozen little fights on a single map.
DD2 will definitely be a fun fantasy action RPG but its going to fall short in the RPG/storytelling part again.The forgery stuff is cool, but like 3 quests maybe interact with that at all. Trials and Tribulations is by far the most unique quest and outside of that there really isn't interesting questlines or stories.
I don't think it'll be as bad as the original for RPG/story but it still won't be amazing.
The problem is DD1 has Grigori atleast, what the frick could 2 possibly have?
TWO Grigoris
>Dragons Dogma
5 Yen have been deposited into your Capcom account
Please. For everything except gameplay os2 is absolute bottom of the barrel. Shit party, dreadful story, world sucks wiener, visuals are ok but just turns into a mess of environmental effects.
Dragons dogmas story is absolute dog shit
As well as the gameplay.
They hated him because he told the truth
>t. a goblin
I bet your kind fears ice and fire both
I played the older Baldurs Gates and they are nothing special, definitely soulful but I enjoyed Arcanum and Fallout 1&2 more. Played BG3 when it first came to early access and it was great even for the shirt 25 hours I played plus all the bugs.
jaded boomer
BG 1 had a barely passable story and bg 2 is marginally better. honestly, fantasy story-telling will only go so far in terms of quality.
i just like that larian is being confined to a ruleset rather than their strange hybrid class system where everyone is some variant of wizard
Aren't forgotten realms' gnomes typically jolly fat guys with beards?
Played BG1 and the Black Pits (I think it was called) expansion. Thought it was OK, nothing special, don't know why people rave on it. Maybe it was something special back in the day?
now that the alignment system has been destroyed and paladins are gone forever what is the new chad class?
Paladins still.
If you're too much of a moron to play lawful good without your DM or the video game keeping track of your behaviour then that's your own problem
>new
Was always fighter. Will always be fighter. Especially solo fighter with nonmagic gear and terminal chicken pox.
Still Paladin. Always has been, always will be. Just police your own behaviour, years of following a diety should have given you a good idea on how to live the holy warrior's life.
Obedience to authority is the whole point of moral alignment. Doing it of your own free will is meaningless reddit atheism nonsense.
You are literally subhuman if you think this way.
The human condition is a disease. It bega for the value of the individual and self-indulgent humanitarianism. Independant decision-making where the importance is placed on the "good" actor over the Good act, the "good" believer over the Good belief. Only when man can shed his false freedoms can he transcend the hubris of independence and accept that his worth is nothing compared to the grace of Good, and that the only way to be Good is to become wholly the vessel of Good and the engine of the destruction of Evil. No self shall ever remain in the face of such holy struggle.
>t. Gay-ass Fighter
Sorry, too busy being a hero to listen to your bullshit.
YWMBALGP
no, i think you're moronic monkey who deluded itself that he knows what's best for people.
False.
>lawful autism
He's larping as an SMT character or something, pay him no mind.
Alignment was never good.
Glad to see it go.
what? alignment was literally good neutral evil
alignment always had good in it
Alignment was never a good mechanic, moron.
Alignment system is fricking trash and you don't need it. You can still be a lawful good paladin without needing a meter to tell you how much of a good boy you are.
i was always fond of the alignment based abilities, and the varying effects they have on opposing alignments. but interpret interpret it as you would
NO GIRLS ALLOWED
Pronounce this class name
Surely you know how to pronounce this word, right, anon?
homiegard.
Blaggard?
Blahk-goo-hard
Quieres?
wait so alignment doesnt matter?
There is no alignment selection in the game
so there aren't clerics?
there is clerics and a few god choices
Why do you think alignment affects clerics?
because if you follow a lg deity you shouldn't be able to make ce choices
If you follow a LG deity you wouldn't pick a CE choice anyway so I don't see the problem?
lmao nice rpg
Why have dialogue options, then? Just have the game automatically choose what your character should say.
What? Even in games with alignment it would never lock you out of choices, you fricking moron.
There are, they're differentiated by the domains their god offers.
how can something that doesnt exist matter matter
The game doesn't ascribe an alignment to you, you're judged more on individual actions and decisions.
Yes, if you have a Good Diety as a Cleric (and probably a Paladin) you get different options now and again. Otherwise, it doesn't matter. There is no alignment in DnD now. Gygax was a moral objectionist, so believed in objective morality but the modern DnD crowd are subjectivists who don't.
>There is no alignment in DnD now
Yes there is. Alignment is in 5e. Its not in BG3.
Alignment is only technically in 5E. There are no mechanics that actually interact with it, it's just roleplaying fluff.
And? You said it wasn't in 5e. You were wrong.
I'm a different anon, anon
Gygax wasnt just a moral absolutist, he was a deontological moral absolutist. You play trolley problems with him and he'd kick you out of the hobby.
wtf i wanted to be evil
dropped
i say it everytime and ill say it again. remove dice rolls, give me normalized numbers or gtfo. this system fricking SUCKS ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
HOW CAN I GO 3 TURNS WITH NOT A SINGLE ONE OF MY PARTY MEMBERS DOING DAMAGE FRICK OFFFFF
Use the weighted die option and just admit you want to cheat. Even XCOM is basically dice rolls, and Wasteland 2/3
every game with percent-to-hit is dice rolls
Every rpg in the history of rpgs has dice rolls. Even fricking Final Fantasy.
that scenario WAS with weighted dice. its awful. ive tried 20/30 runs so far. its inevitable that you will get fricked by rolls eventually into a non-winnable outcome.
if i want to play casino games, ill play casino games. this is pure shit, breaks my immersion, its not enjoyable, success feels cheap, loss feels forced. its all random. did no one play test this
play a different genre, then
it's what im doing
so why are you here
because i have no life and no friends on a sunday afternoon and i want to shit on this game because of how unbelievably bad the decision to put in dice roll is
im talking about testing the mechanics and realizing that oh it doesnt work and it sucks. there isnt a multiverse that exists where larian takes out dice roll this far into development
no, there isn't, because it's an RPG and every RPG in existence runs on dice rolls
Not Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 2 is only barely an RPG
I haven't played ME2 but I can guarantee there's dice rolling in it somewhere.
Nope, I checked the Coalesced.ini. everything from bullet spread to damage to recoil to AI has a static value determining it. No RNG at all.
>He gets shit rolls even when he's cheating
youre play testing testing it right now dude. you ARE the QA, like how path of exile does it
I utterly despise the dice too. I don't think Larian is to blame on that because they made their success ENTIRELY by subverting the traditional CRPG model, which includes excluding dice.
The dice shit is absolutely something imposed by Wizards, to cross-promote their pen and paper products. There's no way that company would just let a company make a good product and have that be good enough to market their game, no, Wizards would insist that a fricking visual dice constantly rolled in your face to remind you that we're playing D&D and we ought to check out D&D.
I'm just waiting for someone to leak that this was the exact conversation: Larian saying "can we do without the dice" and Wizards going "must have dice" and nobody fricking buying this game for the exact same reason why a lot of people didn't fricking buy Pillars who bought Divinity because they were SICK of dice bullshit taking choice and agency out of the game. Not everyone is some degenerate who gets excited when they hit a nat20.
>DOS doesn't have dice rolls because it doesn't literally show the dice rolling
When it says I have a 100% chance to hit it's actually 100%. It's never possible to hit 100% with dice because you can roll a 1 and automatically fail just like a 20 is an auto-success.
you are a dumbass
oh yeah, i remember now. i played with weighted dice and i would get a nat 20 one in every 5 rolls and then every other roll was still a 50/50 which felt bad and the nat 20 didnt feel any less cheap. and non-weighted nat 20s still feel just as stupid.
What a lucklet.
Is anyone worse than Paladingays?
>DEUS VULT XD
>t. demon
druids
frick tree hugger beastiality weirdos
go cast grass
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I really wished more CRPG's had generic, expendable companions. I don't like fricking any of the companions in this game, but going solo seems pretty unplayable to me. I think the game would benefit from a mercenary system like in the Pathfinder games. Or maybe you can unlock certain types of creatures/NPC followers by doing certain quests, like you can hire goblins to fight and die for you if you side with them or you can ally with gnolls to get gnoll followers.
I just want loyal, unthinking mooks that die for me and don't b***h about my decision making.
Not really the right genre for that.
you can currently exploit how multiplayer works to have a party of custom characters, and you might be able to do it normally in the final release
play bg1 and 2
and role play someone who doesnt care about his companions
The Divinity games gave you the option to have nameless mooks. But for a game like BG I imagine the decision was to make story focused as the previous games were. I don't think your opinion is bad but it just costs money to execute for not justifiable gain.
I agree with you that I don't like these companions in this game. It's seriously putting a dampener on my potential ability to enjoy it. I didn't like Fane or the Red Prince because they were like abrasive tourists calling people they didn't understand to be shit in Divinity OS2 but thankfully the remaining party members were fun. But in BG I kinda fricking hate most of your companions.
I don't mind if characters are c**ts, in fact, I love it when they are. But they have to have some redeeming qualities to justify wanting to listen to them. If they're just fricking bad people why the frick would I want to talk to them about anything.
You could have an entire party of faceless mooks in BG1 and 2.
You never needed to use the game's actual companions.
I think Sebille's introduction in OS2 might be the worst companion intro besides Nenio in WotR. I don't expect characters to treat the MC like a prince, but making the character defenseless regardless of their abilities was dumb as shit. As for Nenio, having a random weirdo show up in the middle of a warzone and talk shit was fricking dumb. If I hadn't known previously that she was a companion, I'd have killed her like many have.
It's funny how Sebille made so many people hate her right off the bat, when she's actually one of the best companions in the game.
Yeah, it's hilarious. I absolutely hated her introduction, but she turned out to be a pretty cool character.
>Sebille's introduction
She sounded like some kind of edgy teenager who wears too much black. I mean, did you hate the fact she was kinda friendly and wasn't a complete angry piece of shit towards you?
I kind of appreciated the fact that she didn't do the actual psycho thing and threaten you with no provocation. And I warmed to her, she was genuinely good very soon into Fort Joy.
i murdered nenio right there cause b***h put me in danger im chaotic evil chad
Murder little chink c**t and get chad mercenary
Don't some modern cRPGs now let you make mercenaries just for people like you? I remember Pillars of Eternity and Pathfinders games let you make mercenaries to replace party members.
You will interect with the dev’s annoying characters and you will like it
Personally I like a rotating cast of companions. Some die, some you dismiss and you always can recruit someone else
You could get them in D:OS2 after the first act, it might be the same in BG3.
ya bro darkest dungeon
ice wind dale??
every party member is hand created
Yeah I think they confirmed custom generic companions will be an option.
This, just give me the ability to make my own faceless rank and file soldiers that I end up developing into powerhouses by properly assigning stats and skills, I don't care about your quirky witty npc's.
>Overlord minions
>expendable
I would burn the world down to protect that little bastard child of mine wearing the pumpkin on his head.
hello when are the orcs
BBC Tav performing anal sex with Shadowheart is canon.
wow your so funny
Did they fix the thing where trying to save the guy in the burning building but the fire is still spreading in real time while you're in dialogue with him?
Hey, its that bald “we wuz” moron from Dragon Age
I replaced Gnomes with Palicos in my D&D games, which everyone who's played in have enjoyed.
Palicos=based.
Most of us don't like to play d&d with furries tho.
Palicos are just short Tabaxi
And Tabaxi are for furries too.
You'd have to be deep down the furry rabbit hole to start thinking lustfully about funky little cat midgets.
Where do you think you are, anon?
Well furries are sick fricks so I imagine they'd go for it.
You seem to be mistaken, here let me help you.
Palicos= based lil homies who are cute
Furries= degenerates who deserve to be exiled to Roll20
And even then most furgays aren't into "literally just a housecat wearing a funny hat". If you want to frick a Palico you can go ahead and play in a different campaign, it works as a great gay filter in addition to them just being based.
>calls them Palicos
>not felynes
W*rld was a mistake.
>he took the owlbear cub
Why? You're going to have to kill it later.
>Kill it later, when it's grown
>Get more XP
EXP.
I imagine it could potentially turn on your or kill the dog if you frick up somehow, but you'll be able to keep it as a pet.
>You're going to have to kill it later
Why?
It's a fricking Owlbear.
Druids raise bears and shit all the time
Mods allowing for full custom party when?
What happens if you let that Volo guy frick with your eye?
If you know Volo he is a dunce who is the kind of homosexual that thinks he knows what he's doing with little care about the consequences afterward and goes "OOPS" when he fricks up. He fricks up your eye and you get a permanent debuff that reduces your dex by 1 point, he then leaves the camp since he always slips away from problems he causes whenever he gets in trouble. I actually like these life-altering shit that you and your character need to live with if you decide to do stupid shit.
The problem with stuff like that is people will just reload and not do it.
well that's why all games need Ironman
Pretty shit way to experience the game to be honest since there are many ways to recover and divert the path in BG3. People need to learn how to adapt and recover from failure, everybody just wants to win all the time.
Doesn't the Hag make it so you can't crit, ever? If it was give and take maybe people wouldn't reload as much, but its pure negatives versus +1 ASI
That's not a problem in old CRPG games because they would write some circumstance where being crippled would lend you some advantage or would be a flavourful change to the circumstances like losing an eye or leg would prevent you from getting caught because the bad people are looking for a nimble parkour character. In Fallout 1 and 2 having moron-level intelligence actually changed the script of the game and in some cases hostile enemies would just let you go thinking you're too stupid to be harmful.
That being said, there should never really be an incentive to let some moron poke at your eye with a needle.
I wouldn't be entirely surprised if there's a magical item in a later act that gives you +2 INT or something but you have to have gotten your eye gouged out
I think they should double down and see if the player learned their lesson and give an option to have some other untrustworthy person at your eyes and if you fail you lose your other eye forcing your character to go on a non-optional sidequest at great expense to purchase enchanted eyes.
And your special unlock reward is that your companions don't stop giving you shit about your eyes.
Would be funny.
1. "Oh man I really don't want to crawl through that tunnel that contains random sharp pointy objects on literally every single surface"
2. "But treasure!"
1. "But there are numerous bodies there, shit looks dangerous, I mean I can SEE them, I still have ONE good EYE"
2. "Don't be a pussy."
1. "Okay."
*trips on a random femur, falls, impales remaining eye on sharp spike*
All companion greetings change to some wisecrack about you being blind or how they found a neat eyepatch store behind the building-sized glowing mushroom that's surrounded by not just corpses but dismembered corpses that you just passed by.
Would be hilarious for me to try in a run ngl
I would hope they would put something in the game that can fix your eye. I mean maybe the witch if you decide to befriend her instead of fight her?
Welcome to videogames
First time?
How to guarantee your audience just quickloads.
He knocks your eye out and gives you a glass one or something to replace it. I imagine it's a pretty substantial debuff, like how you can sacrifice your eye in Expedition Rome and essentially can't get critical hits with your MC anymore for the rest of the game.
I used to DM D&D and I never had gnomes. At least Dorfs are ok. Gnomes need to face the wall.
is the maximum level still 8? or have they stopped being moronicand realized that dnd is for nerds who just want to see numbers go up?
In 2020, they said the cap was 10. Later they said it will be higher, so its probably going to be 12 and not any higher to avoid having to do more spells.
Most if not all 5E adventures end 10-12 because higher level shit is fricking dumb.
This, but with little green goblin pussies being stretched out by big human wiener (white).
I want to get into baldur's gate but there aren't any touhou mods
treleasegthe fricking gamre alredy
my wife can't POSSIBLY be this damn cute!
>Morrigan but knife ears
>my wife
>keeps modding her
All he did was alter the hairstyle to a different hair already in the game.
Makes her look closer to the official promo art
She really is fricking cute
is that NPC armor modded in or something available from scratch
either way how is WotC letting them get away with it
It's not modded, the game has quite a few coomer sets.
OUR wife
He's not talking about the gith
Ah, so he was talking about the giff.
It's pronounced "giff."
It's pronounced umpani.
Umpani and T'rang were awesome, unfortunate only people who played Wizardry know about them.
>Duty. Power. Victory.
shadowsex
So will you be able to bone Shadowheart?
OF COOMRSE
>party size of 4
>Intend to play the game with my brother so that means only one party member each
WHY?
That actually makes me wonder, what do you anons think is the perfect party size for a cRPG?
6, especially if you're also allowing co op in your game.
4-6, kinda just depends. For "Save or die" rulesets like BG1/2, absolutely need higher slots since lacking tools can simply make you unable to solve an encounter. For campaigns where problems can be solved by many classes, 4 can be better for pacing and character involvement.
4-6 seems to be a nice number, but I think it really depends on the type of game. If you're expecting casualties and permadeath, then even for an RPG, something like 12+ party members is great... And there were many times in the BG games that I went solo or with just one or two extra party members, but I don't think that's feasible for a new player.
solo, usually on easy difficulty so its not impossible but still not a cakewalk. they all play like underrail like that.
I actually hate controlling NPCs because I never put as much thought or care into them. I just can't connect with an NPC as much as I can with the character I am actively roleplaying as. I played most of DOS2 using lonewolf and I spent a majority of patch 5 BG3 EA finding ways to play alone or just with my GF and not controlling the NPCs. I would say give us an option to have them be a shitty combat AI that I don't have to manage and only appears in combat, but that wouldn't really work. Also, the pawns in DDDA make me hate AI partners, so I'd probably just be frustrated.
You can increase it via mods like OS2
4 for a Larian game. Encounter design is very sprawling, height differences, shit to interact with. 6 for Owlcat games, because its very simple
How does Co-op work for a game like this? One person does all the talking? Can you set it so only one person controls the NPC party members or does the party have to be divided in half?
All players can initiate conversations, other players can listen in or do their own thing. Control of various characters can be divided among the players, equally or unequally as you desire.
4 and no permanent summons/animals
Are they even trying?
I get it's a gnome, there's no really much you can do. But, how the frick has it taken them 2 years to add such a simple race? Why are all the races just recolored humans?
It's a deep gnome specifically but yeah gnomes just look fricking weird regardless, the only difference is that one has grey skin.
Can't wait for definitive edition in 2025
will shadowheart cuck you?
That's one of those underdark gnomes. I was a little jarred seeing those little ficks abive ground
Will I be able to play as a vampire fighter?
Dhampir, so half-vampire. Might be able to go full vampire in one of the later unreleased acts.
When is Larian and the rest of these limp dick dogshit devs going to understand that RPG's need the option to form your entire team at the start and build every character yourself?
Nobody who isn't an addled coombrain wants to get saddled with a bunch of moronic prostitutes and extras so poorly and sloppily written they they are guaranteed to be the product of autistic fujoshis with zero real world experience in love or even basic human interaction. No I don't want my little fictional computer figures bumping uglies, this isn't the fricking sims we're playing, nor a visual novel. Get that deranged romance shit out of this genre you fricking gayhags and focus on finishing the fricking game before we all die from old age.
Play Knights of the Chalice 2, if it bothers you so much.
>Shadowheart_braids.jpg
"ANON, DID YOU MOD OUT THE SCAR!!??",Anon asked calmly.
no
Humina humina
The game is gonna be fantastic. It's already great and improving in early access alone. I just hope Larian doesn't pull a Larian and make it heavily front loaded.
I wouldn't be surprised. Act 1 still has
>Gith Creche, Selune Temple in the Underdark, Cursed Shadowlands
and finally the Moonrise Towers all to be added. I can't imagine after both OS1 and 2 suffer from the last third/half of the game being not as high quality that it couldn't happen again.
>The game is gonna be fantastic. It's already great and improving in early access alone.
Denial. I would be interested in hearing what you think is fantastic about it though... Or what you think has been improved.
I enjoy the dialogue and the many options available based on race or class we have already. The gameplay is fun and I'm a fan of the battle system, it's a direct improvement over Original Sin 1 and 2 in terms of how it feels.
As for what's been improved, I got early access day 1 and so much has been improved over time. Cutscenes for one, dialogue, the camp system. It's a long list.
Interesting. I've owned D:OS2 for years but haven't gone past the main menu. The dialogue isn't good at all, but it's not the worst I've seen in the fantasy genre. The voice acting is absolute trash pompous garbage though, I can say that for certain. I don't remember everyone in the BG series speaking with haughty faux British accents.
As someone with early-early access, I can also say that replaying the (currently sub-mediocre) game over and over with each patch isn't something I believe that players do, as referenced by our previous BG3 threads.
I've been wondering for a very long time now. It has been asked on their forums and the Steam discussions, and it has been ignored by the developers.
sounds like u just dont video games. dos2 story and dialogue wasnt amazing or anything but it was better than most other rpgs out there. the combat was the most fun aspect and the multiple choices to peruse everything.
lmfao.
>got porblem with poor quality? guess u juts dotn vido games ¯_(ツ)_/¯
u said u never got past main menu, u're not fit to judge its quality u mentally ill moron.
Ohhh, okay. I'm sorry, I genuinely misunderstood you. It's actually
>yuo didnt play this game?? sounds liek u juts dotn vido games ¯_(ツ)_/¯
What point are you trying to make exactly? If you don't like poor quality videogames you just don't like videogames in general? I'm really trying to understand what your hurt ass is attempting to get across.
They literally said the entire game is almost in orange box state, which means its play start to finish and just needs to be polished and refined until each section is gold box aka done.
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>which means its play start to finish and just needs to be polished
That's the biggest lol in this thread. The game isn't anywhere close to being "finished" unless you're using the new standard industry Early Access definition.
No shit, it won't release until like Q2 2023. What we have, isn't what they've done.
It's true though.
homosexual.
>Game released 2 years ago
>Only updates since then are some classes and gnomes
Did larian go broke?
It's almost like something happened in late 2019 that took the industry over a year to fully recover from. Can't really put my finger on what that could've been...
That would have made sense if they werent updating during that period. They were still updating and the result is
>Some classes
>Gnomes
Cope all you want but it seems to me that sven overexpanded and every branch was filled with money wasting trannies and now the game is stuck despite the tons of sales it made initially.
You do realize that they aren't just sitting there making gnomes and classes, that what we get via updates isn't the whole story, right? They're working on the rest of the acts.
>They're working on the rest of the acts
sweet summer child
If they were working on them then where are they after 2 years? The game is EXACTLY the same as it was 2 years ago plus gnomes
>they're not showing us the other acts yet that must mean they don't exist
Can you kindly frick off? Thanks.
They have said from the start early access will only see Act 1.
>they have called it anon you cant say anything about 2 years have passed and nothing but gnomes if you say something then youre it ha!
cope
>suddenly drops his demands of "where" Act 2+ is as if it was promised and not delivered
2 more years anons, they have said its gonna be only act 1 so its ok
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you honestly think only Gnomes have been added in this time. Perhaps you should go peruse all the patch notes and educate yourself.
Ah yea sorry I forgot the bard class
They also made Shadowheart less of a b***h. If only they did the same for that raging c**t frog.
I don't think they will, the Gith are buttholes so she fits the type.
Then she's a waste of a companion slot. What kind of limp dick cuck actually recruits her?
>They also made Shadowheart less of a b***h
Yea that would unironically take 2 years. What was the troony who created the char thinking?
They've been updating the graphics, lighting systems, art, presentation such as cinematics and dialogue, quests and things all around as well while developing the actual game, it's not a small thing. To pretend like they've done nothing in 2 years is ignorant.
dude is blatantly fishing for replies
Yep. The fricking state of Ganker, given how many replies the homosexual has already gotten
Yeah I'm aware I'm just moronic.
>They are only pretending to be stuck in developement hell
holy cope
What the frick did he mean by this?
>Early Access will only ever contain act 1
>wtf why is there only act 1?!?!
they intended to keep some race until full release
You dont get it. The game is supposed to be 4-5 chapters and they only released chapter 1. Its been 2 years plus 1-2 years before release and all they did is some classes and gnomes.
They told everyone exactly what early access would contain when they announced it. It's the same as Original Sin 2.
>They told everyone exactly what early access would contain when they announced it. It's the same as Original Sin 2.
And what it contains up until now since initial release should have been done in 4 months not 2 years
2 more weeks(years) for chapter 2 anon
what what?
They arent releasing everything in EA dumb frick.
Yes and? 2 years=gnomes.
holy delusional
Well why don't you cry about it some more you whiny little poof
Why would I cry? Im laughing at morons who bought the game. The george floyd elves should have been enough of a red flag that this project is doomed.
>WAAHHHHH
We heard you the first time.
learn how greentext works newhomosexual
>I don't know how Larian has done 2 early access games in a row with the same shit
They put out act 1 for feedback/money, and at release add the rest of the game. IIRC for KM and WOTR you only had the first 2-3 chapters too. 4-5 came with release.
Do they even say which chapter are they working on right now? How much did it take for their previous games in EA?
1 year for both OS1 and 2. Except they came out buggy, and the back half felt unfinished/REALLY buggy. Arx was bug fixed, then once again both games required Enhanced Edition a year after full launch. So realistically, 2 years for both game.
Just looking at the visual upgrade, doing cinematic for dialog like Bioware, CDPR aka much bigger and established companies is the #1 cause of t his taking so long.
Im just reading the recent negative reveiws on steam. Half of them cry about how it was supposed to be only 1 year before full release they other half cry about bugs. 2 years of nothing and still full of bugs.
they added a big chunk to the Act 1 story/map too
plus smaller things like new animations and redesigning characters
>I don't know what deep gnomes are.
Have they said anything about custom campaigns or other multiplayer stuff?
OS2 had that half-baked DM mode where people could make their own levels, paper map imports and dialog and no one used it. Its probably too much work to add those tools in for how little people used it. I would hope maybe its just there for people to do it themselves though, since this combat system is just aligned with 5E enough that people would make custom campaigns like NWN
Persistent Worlds like in NWN would be kino
No more (You)s maybe you haven't heard
I made you troon out pretty hard just by telling the truth didnt I? Thanks for the (you)s.
WHERES MY FRICKING PALADIN
Apparently there are Paladin files in the game but Larian is having issues with something 5e related and translating it to a videogame but I don't know from Paladins so I can't give details.
>Larian is having issues with something 5e related and translating it to a videogame
As if that stopped them from releasing Divinity 3 kek
Probably trying to figure out how to streamline Smites. In 5e, you can decide whether or not to add one after you make the attack, but they probably don't want the game playing mother-may-I with the player on EVERY attack like Solasta did.
It's not impossible to make something minimally intrusive that doesn't linger, and then you have it for every opt in diceroll like inspiration die, like stunning strike, you can give precision strike to battlemasters, you can have a reasonable implementation of hellish rebuke and shield and every other reaction spell.
There's a huge number of people familiar with 5e now who are going to get the game and be very disappointed that none of this stuff works the way they're familiar with.
They already figured it out, they just will do it with how superiority die is implemented. Its got its own icon on the bar, you can "upcast" it, and if you miss it refunds the spell slot. Can't crit fish, maybe also can't use it for AoO attacks.
There is no methodology of how they release classes in order, on paper you could say Bard should have been last for a reactions rework but instead they just implemented a different spell entirely and called it Cutting Words
>Can't crit fish
fricking gay. The best part of playing paladin is getting a crit and blowing a big fricking load of d8s all over b***hes.
The default white dwarf female is absolutely beautiful
This is just a Scottish female.
Dwarf are just short Scots since the LOTR movies.
Yeah, gonna have to see a full body shot before I decide breeding status.
Based Larian dabbing on morons at Ganker. You people don't even play videogames.
>Larian added a qt femGoblin at the temple ruins with a foot fetish and wants her toes kissed.
Cringe or based?
Cringe because in the end it goes nowhere.
WHY THE FRICK DOES LARIAN KEEP TEASING US!!!???
I've got faith, bro... *cough*... this is the *cough* the one... finally... finally, after all these years... I'll finally be able to bang a qt goblin... *hack* *wheeze* it's gonna... gonna happen... this time...
Did they re-gender the male goblin to that, because that already existed. Some goblin had a ring on his foot you could use Dex to grab off. Or intimidate him to kiss your foot.
No, it's afterwards. If you make the goblin kiss your feet one of the goblins watching when spoken to will nervously ask what it felt like and says she wishes she can have her toes kissed too.
If that's true, someone on the dev team is definitely footgay, because it isn't the only foot-kissy shit in this game
Interesting scenes.
They aren't using that cringy Abdel shit as established Bhaalspawn Lore are they?
They're using his name and his death being the catalyst for the return of Bhaal. Pretty sure the rest of the shitty novelization is being ignored, considering some of the stuff in BG3 (like Jaheira being alive and Minsc being a mighty warrior instead of a scrawny lunatic) directly contradicts its bullshit.
Will Imoen still be a BPD nympho?
WOTC flat out said those books are non canon. We actually don't know what happened to CHARNAME now, they could even pull something akin to what they did in DOS2 with Lucian and make CHARNAME a boss.
>We actually don't know what happened to CHARNAME now
Yeah we do, there was an entire 5e module about it.
We actually do know, there was a mini-module released entitled "Murder In Baldur's Gate", wherein Abdel Adrian (they actually used the novelization name) is confronted by a final Bhaalspawn, they fight, one of them dies, the Slayer is unleashed, the heroes manage to put a stop to its rampage, and Bhaal returns to the Forgotten Realms alongside his buddies Myrkul and Bane, and they immediately go off to kick the shit out of Cyric and get back the domains he stole from them.
I remember when I devoured Myrkul in NWN2, that was pretty based.