Bloodborne > Dark Souls > Elden Ring > Dark Souls 2 > Sekiro > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 3 (still an 8/10 game)
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Bloodborne > Dark Souls > Elden Ring > Dark Souls 2 > Sekiro > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 3 (still an 8/10 game)
blood born is 4 people who dont know h ow to position
>How to position
It's not like these games are monsters hunter and jumping makes Elden Ring easier to reposition I'd say
>Be Fromsoft
>Drop one of the greatest games ever made
>Refuses to elaborate or acknowledge it ever again
I am so looking forward to playing it again someday. It's been like five years and I've since switched to PC and sold all my consoles so I have no way of playing it. I just want a port though. No Blueslop remake please.
this. i dont want a remake, i just want 60fps bloodborne but i know it will never happen
I was in your position but I ended up buying a PS4 because let's be honest, it's never coming to PC.
You're wrong on so many accounts. BB and DS3 shit all over Elden Ring.
Are you moronic? DS3 sucked ass, they should have called it Dark Souls Smash and just made it a boss simulator. The first five areas are the worst shit in the series. What a joke.
I can't fathom how someone can say Dark Souls 3 is better than Elden Ring, or even put it up there with Bloodborne considering what a moronic half-baked game it was.
>Boy I sure do like areas with zero fricking color, pointless destructible clutter everywhere, and completely disjointed gameplay that can't tell if it wants to be Demons Souls, Dark Souls 2, or Bloodborne.
Bloodborne literally has roguelite dungeons and 90% of the bosses are absolutely terrible. DaS3 is the first From game where the majority of the bosses are absolute bangers. Additionally, it's map design is actually good and with tons of winding paths, I just replayed the whole series and it objectively has the most complex and interesting maps of any DaS entry. (And much more complex than bloodborne)
>the majority of the bosses are absolute bangers
Oh, a zoomer, okay now it makes sense. I know this is hard for your zoomie mind to grasp, but the Souls series wasn't always a moronic boss rush with filler content between them.
>but the Souls series wasn't always a moronic boss rush with filler content between them.
They have been from DaS1 onwards, hate to break it to you.
>hate to break it to you.
Break what to whom? You're a fricking idiot if you think Dark Souls was a "boss rush with filler content." Levels in Demons Souls, Dark Souls, and Dark Souls 2 were generally more complex with boss encounters being fairly straightforward. Dark Souls 3 is "what if every boss was Ornstein and Smough or Artorias" without understanding what made those bosses special.
>Levels in Demons Souls, Dark Souls, and Dark Souls 2 were generally more complex
There are no complex levels in Dark Souls 1 and 2.
Oh sorry I thought you wanted a serious conversation, I'll let you go back to shitposting.
The only terrible bosses are the club+blade undead giant and the dlc cleric beast. All the rest are fun to fight (maybe not Micolash)
The only good non-DLC boss in the entire game is Gascoigne, which, UNTIL DAS3, is standard practice for fromsoft. Load the game with shit bosses then add the good content in the dlc.
Cleric Beast, Blood Starved Beast, Vicar Amelia, Paarl (fight him early), Martyr Logarius, and Gehrman are all very good fights. Then there are many other non boss fights with other hunters that are some great ones too.
>are all very good fights
No they aren't, you are just bad at the game.
ESL moment
No. I understand you perfectly. You listed bosses that are extremely bad and you would know why they are bad if you knew how they worked. Like bloof starved beast isn't a good fight at all, are you moronic?
Why? Did you summon and bully him with flamethrower cheese?
You just roll left. That's the entire fight. And if you do it correctly it's not a very long fight either.
>roll
Lmao. Also, you either looked up cheese strategies or died to it a lot since there is no way of knowing that going into the fight. I'm starting to think you haven't even played the game though.
>there is no way of knowing that going into the fight
Did you know the human brain is the most complex organ nature has ever created and is comprised of nearly 100 billion neurons forming trillions of connections which transfer information through a series of nerve impulses at 268 miles per hour? Imagine if you used that thing. That would be CRAZY.
Ineptitude is a defining impetus for most shitposting. Some anons get violently upset if you show you have a memory or use your brain.
You just knew that dodging that one specific way would work, a priori. Got it. What a gamer.
Bloodborne is my favorite game but half the bosses in the main game are complete ass
>I can't fathom how someone can say Dark Souls 3 is better than Elden Ring, or even put it up there with Bloodborne considering what a moronic half-baked game it was.
I believe that's because some people discovered the series with 3, so it has a special place in their heart. Or maybe because they think faster movements + more stamina for rolls make a better gameplay, idk. I hated 3 too, and didn't really enjoy the gameplay of BB since it felt too different from DS1 and 2, and the rally mechanic felt stupid to me. ER is fine because it gives you a lot of different options to play the game as you want, so you can easily choose the gameplay you like.
oh dont worry, consoles will be completely abandoned in some years.
sony are regularly releasing previously console exclusive games on pc, so no reason to think bloodborne wont come too.
Consoles are dead in the water at this point and it's not going to get any better. PC will continue to assimilate everything. If an official port doesn't happen, it's only a matter of time until you can emulate it.
I bet they lost the source code which is why they haven't tried to port it to PC
Apparently it uses the same engine as the one used in DS3, also single dude who has no access to any PS4 dev kits or has any involvement in the development of BB manage to get BB running at 60fps.
It's very much possible to patch it, it's just up to Sony weather they want to or not.
He has it to 120FPS now, Distortion2 has a modded PS5 and plays it.
100% its just in the backburner to release alongside PS5 Pro or PS6 like Demon Souls.
Sony is going to use Bloodborne remasters to sell the PS6, 7, 8 and 9. It's literally their only game worth owning a console to play and they will never allow it on PC.
I take back the part about the dev kit, according to the video posted he did use PS5 development hardware.
What I remember is, because of some contract bullshiterry they don't really own Bloodborne and can't do anything about it
>>Be Fromsoft
>>Drop one of the greatest games ever made
to elaborate or acknowledge it ever again
What do you mean? Elden Ring is getting a DLC
I would prefer it this way. DaS was a spiritual successor to DeS, Bloodborne feels like a successor to both (even though at one point it may have been a sequel to DeS) and Elden Ring is a successor to those. A world where DaS2 and 3 dont exist means that ER wouldve came out sooner and we probably wouldve had more content for Bloodborne and Sekiro.
A world where Dark Souls 3 didn't exist, Elden Ring wouldn't have been the same as a lot of experimenting and groundwork for how most mechanics work was done by Dark Souls 3. Dark Souls 3 was also the most experimental with enemy behaviour and combat mechanics and that's why we see enemies relying entirely on hyperarmor rather than passive poise and a more dynamic combat flow that actually surpasses Bloodborne
That is the worst opinion I've read in a fricking month. Dark Souls 3 is the most experimental Souls game? Frick, that's not just wrong: it's fricking stupid. Most experimental goes to Dark Souls 2, the most controversial game because it told almost the entire "formula" to go frick itself.
>Timed online interactions rather than perma-co-op
>Powerstancing
>Infuse anything and everything
>despawning enemies
>hard mode covenant and two different tower defense covenants.
>duel arenas with point systems
>bonfire ascetics and NG+ changes
>i-frames as a stat
>upped stamina usage across the board, combat purposefully less responsive to encourage thoughtful play
>100% physical resist shields don't exist in the early game to force you to somewhat learn how to play
>countless semi-viable gimmick weapons
>elemental/status defenses as % reduction instead of flat
There's probably a lot more I'm missing, but whether or not you like Dark Souls 2 doesn't change the fact that it changed the most about the formula aside from maybe Bloodborne.
lmao De Ass 2oo is not le experimental schizo
it's just shit, and the most derivative, creatively bankrupt pile of shit out of all of them
what it didn't ape from DS1, it aped from DeS, what it didn't ape from DeS it aped from KF
literally the most soulless and uncreative pile of shit ever
What a gay and stupid post. Everything you said is literally just Dark Souls 3. Three games haphazardly slammed together.
>DS2trannies violent melty
kek creatively bankrupts dogshit fanboys crying and whining
sorry, your troony game is invalid, go play Lords of The Fallen: Dark Souls 2 2
I love having mastership over your mind like this.
>mastership
What is your ethnicity?
Do you even have to ask?
It's obviously a saar seeking to reedem the needful.
Its russian if that is dragonirian having a schizo effective break.
>Every DS2 hater is a buzzword spewing ESL
>Despite the underhanded tactics they still lost and became insane for years after the fact
Funny how life works like that
>every d2 fan is trooned
Depressing how that works huh?
>every d2 fan
Why are you bringing Diablo 2 fans into this thread?
>One fan group displays significantly more intelligence and far less mental illness for almost a decade straight than the other
>”Y-you’re a transexual.”
Haha
>>100% physical resist shields don't exist in the early game to force you to somewhat learn how to play
Bro there's a 95% resist shield right at the start, that 5% it didn't resist didn't mean shit you could still play like a turtle if you wanted
don't tell the scizo that
homosexual thinks seasonal events were invented by DS2, fricking DeS had them
he also conflates dual wielding with powerstancing, 100%
and he doesn't know that muh ng+ shit was done in DS1 with Gravelording and duel arenas were in DS1's dlc
also, notice how one of it's "features" according to schizo, is that they made stamina shit
lol
ds1's ng+ is nothing compared to 2's
it's way better, black phantom enemies have far better placement than the sloppy garbage in DS2 ng+
cry harder
you're the one pissing your pants but alright
DS1 basically didn't have dual wielding, it sucked so bad. Don't lie.
No one used the DS1 arenas because they were inferior to invasions and gravelording is nothing like bonfire ascetics.
I would argue that most of what it tried didn't work for various reasons but I do give DaS2 credit for trying new things. BB is just entirely different (which is where From is at their best) but DaS3 and especially ER I found to be extremely formulaic and generally very bland.
Without Dark Souls 3 Elden Ring core mechanics wouldn't have been as improved.
Dark Souls 3 (base game or DLC) introduced
>Hyperarmor based tanking
>Percentage based damage reduction which scales into NG+ cycles
>Charged spells, similar to charged attacks but with extra damage, stagger or effects
>A skill system with utility effects which can be swapped each for one hand
>Hyperarmor reliant enemies which drastically increased the variety of combat
>Enemy design that forces even mid combo directional dodges (especially clear towarda the endgame and in the DLCs)
Elden Ring inmprovements and success are built over Dark Souls 3 which was built over Bloodborne which was built over Dark Souls and Demon's Souls
post gameplay
>>A skill system with utility effects which can be swapped each for one hand
This is not a positive. The AoW system in ER is significantly worse than DaS1 just having unique weapon arts for every weapon.
>This is not a positive.
yes it is
>The AoW system in ER is significantly worse than DaS1 just having unique weapon arts for every weapon.
what the frick are you talking about?
Dark Souls didn't have weapon arts, certain weapons forfeited heavy attack to have a unique "skill" which usually had a big durability cost
sorry wrong pic
Shadow tower and Kingsfield 4 BTFO them all (11/10)
Shadow tower do be like that
You haven't even played those games, kid. Watching a youtube video doesn't count.
I killed all 630 enemies in shadow tower and did a melee only run. Shits stellar.
Played all KF twice too.
I like them far more because they are far more rpg leaning than soulsborne and have area bgm
>sony
So if Fromsoft doesn't 'own' it, does that mean Sony owns it? Why wouldn't Sony be the ones porting it to pc or even just giving 60fps.
There's a good article on this that I'm too lazy to find right now. Basically, it was in the works for PC and PS5 but for whatever reason nothing ever came of it and the source (in the article) hasn't heard anything about it in "literal years"
My opinion: they decided to let Bluepoint remake it and it's likely being worked on as we speak.
why remake the fricking game, I don't need some moron adding their 'personal touch' to a game that is already perfect. Just give me +60fps on a PC port and frick off
I know it's all hypothetical but I'm still pissed
only reason people jack off BB so hard is "muh exclusive never ever" meme, it's a good game but pretending it mogs every other From game the hardest ever when it takes blatant steps back in multiple directions is just disingenuous
false, everyone that really likes bloodborne would like it to be ported to pc and ps5. Console war homosexuals are literal morons and their opinion is worthless.
nah I haven't owned a playstation in years and it's still my favorite game, and easily arguable as one of the top 5 ever. while I would enjoy being able to play it again on proper hardware never ever posting is fun enough to tide me over.
>only reason people jack off BB so hard is "muh exclusive never ever" meme
It has the best combat, art design, and lore of any From game.
Bloodborne combat is dogshit lmao
ok thank you for your contrarian take
You know what? You’re right. I apologize.
Okay so why the frick lore wise are the iosephka vials in the nightmare of mensis by mergo?
I know the real reason is that in the alpha version there is a old woman in the clinic instead of this iosphka and the old lady has the same clothes as mergo's nurse. but it makes no lore sense in the final game,
What part of "refuse to elaborate" do you not understand?
Iosefka was probably a teacher or researcher at the school of mensis.
King's Field > Bloodbourne
>Bloodbourne
Bong detected
>kill the orphan of kos first try without taking any damage with the threaded cane
The charged R2 can stun lock him from behind, lmao.
LOL that's what I did with the saw spear, parrying and charged attacks. The only boss I truly struggled with was the fiery cleric beast.
Most others I died a handful of times to, at most.
Oh, except half health amygdala. He was a right pain in the sack.
Demon Souls = Dark Souls = Dark Souls 2>>>>>>> the rest
The moment I want to quit gaming, BB will be the last game I will play.
If I must, I will buy a PS5, hack it and play it at 60fps@1080p.
Dark Souls 2 is the only souls game worth playing, everything else is rollslop
Bloodborne has better art than other games but at the end of the day its the same open world slop with enemies slapped everywhere between bosses when you roll roll roll until your muscular memory learnt all the techniques (usually consisting in hitting only one or maybe two times then rolling back)
gameplay and world wise dark szouls 2 is better. its just got a consistent setting and is carried by victorian / vanhelsing /lovecraft bullshit + good soundtrack and you know it. doesnt stop it from feeling good, but still
souls games are slop. they never showed intent of making it better and bigger, they keptwith the slop because it still sold. the only attempt they made at bringing more was dark souls 2 and even then it was kida weak. they especially have no excuses since they asset flip the living shit out of it, when they dont straigthup port the assets
After playing Elden Ring the enemy placement in BB is like a careful crafted work of art.
and after eating feces british food is a work of art as well
No shit, open world automatically invalidates enemy placement.
>Bloodborne
>open world
>roll roll roll
God what a fricking moron. Ganker is shit, most opinions come from contrarian homosexuals that havent even played the games they are talking about.
>dash instead of roll
wow HUGE difference, you really got me there, guess all the other points are invalid now
>God what a fricking moron
you re a moron
>Ganker is shit
you re shit
you cant post in Ganker until you turn 18, go back to roblox or fornite
>be shown to be wrong and stupid
>reverse card, retorts with you have to be 18
wow you doint have any sense of shame or pride? go hide in a corner, what a pathetic loser, u re a psychopath huh?
>>be shown to be wrong and stupid
what? you havent played the game, you called bloodborne open world slop and cant tell the difference between roll and dash. Dont waste your teenage years posting about games you havent played, maybe you could try playing a real video game
i started playing das1 again recently
compared to the newer from releases, you can really tell it's aged. shitty hitboxes, slow combat, clunky movement and rolling
it doesn't really feel that good to play anymore
I think DeS and DaS has timeless gamefeel.
The most "turn-based" feeling of an action game.
Then the combat started get a lot faster after DaS2 and that's when it all went downhill.
faster fits the world, the setting and gameplay better
bitch
Bloodborne doesn't deserve the top spot at all. The bosses are not that good and the limb break system is not a good substitute of stagger.
This is the current ranking including avaiable DLCs
Put dark souls 1 two tiers down
>The game with Manus and Kalameet
no
Ehh, too gimmicky and 1 tone for my taste, poor level design and fairly flat with Fountainhead and Mibu being the only cool looking location, the latter which is just a lamer version of Fishing Hamlet.
Combat felt like it needed more options and enemy AI less reliant on longer pre-baked combos, way too easy as a game to master.
>Combat felt like it needed more options and enemy AI less reliant on longer pre-baked combos, way too easy as a game to master.
I loved the combat but tbh by the end it felt a bit like a slog. Once you figure out all enemies/bosses and can confidently clear them there's not much more depth to the combat. Even the boss gauntlet with new variants felt like a big slog to me. Kind of unrelated but I ended up enjoying nioh 2 a lot more because of the combat depth/variety.
My problem with nioh 2 is the enemies are way too simple. They give you all of these cool tools but in my experience you can just play it like dark souls and do perfectly fine because the difficulty comes more from taking damage than the enemies being difficulty. I feel like fromslop in comparison the enemies do much less damage but are still more challenging
Yeah a lot of enemies are fairly simple in nioh but can hit like a truck. As the game progresses though into ng+ and onwards that's where the more interesting stuff gets introduced and original simple enemies get beefed up with new move sets. Nioh is a bit frustrating in that it has a ton of simple mechanics that are never really explained and the game doesn't really ramp up till several ngs in so if you're not invested in the combat system you're not going to see all it has to offer annoyingly.
I think difficulty comes from a combination of heavy hitting enemies and managing your stamina but again that depends on the weapon you pick. Some like odachi and axe trivialise half the first ng.
It definitely feels like a game tailor made for me though. Between fun combos and star autism everything just comes together.
Maybe I didn't like it because I used the axe/fists. I won't pretend like you can't trivialize souls games with certain tactics
Half the fun in nioh comes from op builds that break the game in the late ngs where everything is stacked up against you. Crafting armour, accessory sets all with the purpose of adding crazy amounts of damage to your shurikens or bombs while also offering the ability to not use up shurikens at all when throwing them allowing you to two shot bosses with them. Or perfecting a satisfying combo with kusarigama while applying some 3 different status effects. The ng cycles intentionally get unfair because the devs expect you to break the game mechanics and get the most ridiculous and memey builds imaginable. The sheer number of build varieties you can invest in and still be viable is what keeps me coming back.
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It also has Bed of Chaos who alone makes the game meh
>poor level design and fairly flat
what? those things are great in Sekiro, it gets weaker once you are reaching the end of the game but you always have different paths and stealth options even with minibosses
i loved sekiro so much
It was easily top 3 souls. Making the combat more engaging while still retaining interesting locations was the best thing from did.
Lies of P is better and it's based on Classic Literature.
BloodBorne is also Fromsoft best souls game.
>elden ring being an S
stopped reading
I found ds3 to be pretty disappointing. Maybe it was just hyped up too much by my friends. For me it's Sekiro and elden > everything else. Not gonna buy a ps4 for bb but it looks great too.
Elden ring is only S for parts of a first playthrough. its A tier max and possibly even lower if you take into account the sheer tedium of a second playthrough.
>elden shart
>S
hahahaHAHHAHAHAHA
Bloodborne is my favorite From game too but it's really not saying much. Every boss is roll slop and it's also Dull Femur the game as 2/3 of the game is optional content you can easily miss making for a very disjointed experience.
soleschlop = shit
Bloodborne is overrated
Sekiro and eldenring is 10x better
Only reason people praise bb because of exclusivity, i literally had a friend who claim it's his favourite game ever made yet never played it lmao
Wrong, Sekiro sucks and Elden Ring is boring. Try again, kid.
I saw you post the exact same image yesterday. You bought a ps4 just for bb. I'm just having the same discussion with the same 6 guys every day.
kek, I feel the same way, I'm only reusingm my photo becausen it feels like it's the only way to get my point across that I've played them all.
Also, the only negative thing I have to say about Bloodborne is that a lot of the cool weapons are close to endgame unless you want to use the hunters axe.
Really I only have that problem for the DLC weapons. Everything else can be obtain pretty early, just after BSB, through the chalice dungeons with the right glyphs. Early wheel is fun to build around.
Logarius' Wheel cennot be obtained early afaik. If you fight Alfred early does he drop the badge?
It totally can, Uncanny and Lost versions are available in the Chalice Dungeons without having the base version. You can beeline for them the moment you get the first chalice from BSB.
https://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Holy+Moonlight+Sword
it has this baby hidden behind dlc.
I forget chalice dungeons exist, I've been habing fun with them though. I really want the Bone Ash set.
what a cool fricking game
>Best setting/atmosphere
Bloodborne
>Best boss lineup
Dark Souls 3
bazed Black person
Blade of darkness is better than any Fromsoft game BTW
GOAT: ER
S+: DS3, BB, Sekiro
S: AC6, DS1, DeS
A: -
B: -
C: DS2
>not pretending DS2 is the best one
Anons dont roleplay as troons my dood. It's fine if you are a troonerotti thoughever
>still an 8/10 game
I was going to dispute your list, but at this point it doesn't matter. We agree they're all good games.
Haven't played Sekiro yet but Bloodborne took all the combat and exploring they'd been building upon and then faceplanted when it came to the items scattered around the world. Seems like a small thing but you never knew what the white glowing thing was going to be in DaS and DS2, it could be souls, yeah, but it could also be a sweet armor set or weapon or a cool ass ring. In Bloodborne it was just bullets or blood till I quit. BB would never be on top for me.
>it could be souls, yeah, but it could also be a sweet armor set or weapon or a cool ass ring
It could be those things in Bloodborne too. Did you drop the game in the first area or are you really that bad at exploring?
Yeah I didn't get that far at all. I beat some priest guy at a bridge, went another way and there was a wolf guy at a graveyard and then in another direction there was a big non boss rat I think guarding the first actual new item I found and it turned out to be one of the weapons I could have chosen at the start so I got mad and stopped playing. However it may improve further on, they dropped the ball in the first city area.
There's an armor set you can find in the first area too. But yeah that's literally just the first area dude. There's plenty of other weapons, armor sets, tools and what not to reward your exploration. You should give it another chance some time.
Yeah I've got it installed and I've been thinking about restarting of late. Probably will soon. The items were literally my only gripe and if I know it gets better then there's literally no problem.
Also the weapon you found is the Saw Spear which is actually not the same as the starting weapon (Saw Cleaver). Pretty similar in their folded form but different unfolded.
Oh I didn't even know that, well anon already convinced me to play it soon so now I won't avoid picking that up out of spite.
Yeah the saw spear is frickin sick
Weapons in bloodborne are rare treasures to be coveted. They couldnt have a moronic big arsenal like dark souls because each weapon is so intricate with the trick system
Yeah but you can throw your players a bone early on. Every other souls game you can find cool stuff early on. They could have placed a weapon that wasn't one of the first 3 options behind that giant rat instead of later on. I don't think there are many other people like me who had been getting steadily mad at only picking up consumables and then got broken by the weapon being something I could have already had but it certainly did it for me.
Bloodborne weapons are extremely samey and lack any tangible gameplay difference of hit reaction lol
You take a transformed Hunter Axe and a Saw Spear and they are the exact same. This is why everybody always uses the faster starting weapons..
>anon can't into combos
>anon finds out combos don't fit Souls games, 9 years after Fromsoftware did
Saying every weapon plays the same is just flat-out dishonest. The kirkhammer feels nothing like the threaded cane and the rifle spear plays nothing like the saw spear
Weapons must be wildly different in moveset and alpha strike to amount to any difference, and those are the exception that proves the rule. In fact Kirkhammer feels different because it's one of the few weapons with lots of hyperarmor in severla attacks, meanwhile Raluyo can trade much heavier slower weapons because all charged attacks from most weapons are the exact same, which is moronic.
Bloodborne weapons are identical to Dark Souls 1 and 2 where you are swinging damage sticks in what is basically a linear tradeoff of swing time and damage. For example only in later entries are designed so that an halbers and a greatsword are 20% slower than a spear and a sword but stun enemies when charged or with multiple attacks.
God I wont pretend souls combat has as many options as Devil may cry but people that complains about r1 and roll spam are just simply bad at the game. Jump attacks, heavy charged attacks, parry, dodge and sprint attacks, weapon swapping, items... if everything you do is pressing r1 thats literally skill issue
>das 1 harder than any of those things on the list (barring westshit)
nostalgiagays are really something else man
>i like this game because i played it 15 years ago and that means it's the hardest
No, the list is
>this
Sekiro and Elden Cringe are so bad they don't deserve to be on this list. And, of course, unless you post your games or playtime I won't take any of you seriously.
This is a list of worst to best top to bottom, right?
I don't think anyone cares about the opinions of a DS2gay.
of course, the DS2gay will also pretend that trash like Ninja Blade is good. you're a parody of a human.
Still mad because it was on X360 and not on PS3, huh
I'm mad because I bought it on PC and it was fricking garbage, i dunno what fromsoft were thinking with this game.
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
>ninja blade tryhard b***h
For me, it's
Dark Souls > Bloodborne > Demon's Souls > Elden Ring > Dark Souls 2 > Sekiro > Dark Souls 3
This but actually BB > DS3 = DS1 > Elden Ring >> DeS > DS2
I used to feel the same but the more time passes the more the rosey tint fades. The Souls formula is just done to death. Dark Souls is back on top for me now, for no other reason than the insanely engrossing journey it felt like the first time I played it. No other playthroughs will recreate that feeling, but that first one is seared into my mind and I'll cherish it forever. I played Demon's Souls first and put hundreds of hours into that too btw, but it feels more like a prototype to me. Bloodborne was a good twist on the formula with its unique and interesting setting, and the trick weapons too, but the journey itself didn't have the same magic. Sekiro is amazing in its own rights but I don't feel like there's much to be gained in ranking it next to the actual Souls games. The Dark Souls sequels were boring and uninteresting. Elden Ring is total bloatware and a horrible unbalanced mess that had nothing going for it after Limgrave besides pretty scenery.
BB > ER > DAS > DES > SSDT > DS3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DAS2 >> SOTFS
i don't think ER is better than DAS1 but I will kneel since you put DS2 last. frick that game and frick its apologists.
Good list. Man, I haven't played ER yet (waiting until I upgrade my PC) but is it really that good?
I'm not a huge fan of open world games, BOTW was the only one I truly vibed with. Based on this knowledge how do you think I'd like Elden Ring?
you'll consider it 10/10, it's literally just open world souls.
>I'm not a huge fan of open world games, BOTW was the only one I truly vibed with.
I'm in that boat too and I hated ER. The meticulously crafted level design of the Souls games is restricted to "legacy dungeons" as the players have called them and the open world is mostly just empty space with lots of copy pasted assets in them. The best way I can describe it is to think of two different but connected areas in a Souls game, now instead of a corridor or a bridge or something, put a huge open field between them, with some generic cave systems or abandoned ruins (copy pasted) here and there, and that's basically what Elden Ring's world is like. And don't expect the world to feel alive or anything. It's just fields upon fields of static, hostile creatures and the occasional npc with insanely vague quests.
falseflag
Dishonest drone.
Btw this cool looking open world dragon fight?
You find it in the first area. If you liked that hopefully you'll like doing the same fight 10 more times in the other areas because Elden Ring LOVES recycling all its bosses. This is why I said in a previous post the game is great until you're done with Limgrave, after that you've pretty much seen all the game has to offer except for the various sceneries. And this is only like 10% of the game. God I was so glad it was over when I finally got to the end.
There's only 6 dragons, all with unique loot, and with special attacks and resistances.
>there's only 6 dragons
nobody tell him
there is only 6 dragons
Bosses:
Dragons: Agheel, Greyll, Smarag, Adula, Ekzykes, Borealis
Ancient Dragons: Lansseax, Fortissax, Placidusax
Non-Boss:
Greyoll & 6 lesser dragons
5 or so lesser dragons in Dragonbarrow (that respawn)
3 glinstone dragons in Moonlight Altar
2 greater ancient dragons in Farum Azula
3 lesser ancient dragons in Farum Azula
Bonus:
Dragonheart Bosses:
Magma Wyrms: Makar, Theodorix, 3 Unnamed Magma Wyrms
Dragonkin Bosses:
Dragonkin Soldiers: Dragonkin Soldier of Nokstella, 2 Unnamed Dragonkin Soldiers
In total, there are 9 dragon bosses, 20 non-boss dragons and an additional 8 dragon themed bosses, those being 5 Magma Wyrms and 3 Dragonkin Soldiers
there is only 5 more dragons, each with their backstory
The game itself is ultimate Dark Souls with better bosses and combat and more stuff to do.
Stance and stagger further diversifies weapon types and hyperarmor was reworked in a more complex tiered cumulative system.
You swap weapons faster and have an item pouch to quickly select 4 consumables, so you can keep flasks and 2 quick items there.
It also drops the annoying gem infusion system which I hated and gives away with a lot of bad mechanics in favour of better ones, you can instantly change any weapon infusion on the fly and customize its skill.
I usually don't care for open world but I think it fits since Elden Ring is so nonlinear and free you can bring any character to your build gear and fight a lot of bosses in any order. It's the only game where you more or less always have at least 1 or 2 extra optional paths/areas too.
It kinda fits with the enviromental storytelling the series is known for.
The steed is situationally useful for closing distances and avoiding attacks and makes overworld bosses more unique, but not in a way that you can't fight without it, and since calling it is a consumable you can do it mid combat fairly easily.
It's a suprisingly very competent first open world game, unless you are turned off by the idea of facing minibosses that turn into common enemies
ai generated opinions.
yeah it's great
If you like Souls games and want Dark Souls 3 but with better bosses, larger build variery, better level design and a more expansive story/world you'll like it.
If you want a short game with easy enemies that you can beat in one sitting it's not the game for you
Why do people say the original das2 is better than sotfs? ive only played sotfs
enemy placement mostly
That's what their favorite youtuber said, so they repeat what they heard.
enemy placement and extra invaders are all moronic garbage
feels like a mod that spams trash, even though it's an official game
feels like I'm going fricking crazy in these threads this is the only list that is in any way correct
Bloodborne is fricking trash moron
Sekiro>Rest. If you have above 80 iq you can break dark souls gameplay so easily.
>you can break dark souls gameplay so easily.
Sekiro is just as easy to break but with less options for build variety. All fun though.
post your youtube channel, let me see you break the games.
Having finally played it recently, I get now why people post the Ludwig face for years. Absolute kino.
>dark souls 3 at the bottom with elden ring and darks souls 2 ahead of it and sekiro
smoothbrain
Wow this Monster Hunter knockoff is still getting games?
If they ever release ER Complete Edition or something, they should rename it to IR.
(Input Reading)
XD epic joke bro
you know the list is shit as soon as you see blurborne at the top
Demon's Souls (2009) > Dark Souls > Bloodborne > Elden Ring > Dark Souls 3 > Sekiro > Dark Souls 2
>Demon's Souls that low
Either shit taste or PC only babby.
Sekiro > ER > BB > DaS3 > DaS1 > DaS 2
Simple as
None are bad games thoughbeit
The objectively true list
Dungeon metroidvania kino
DS1>DS2>DeS
Roll slop games
ER>Sekiro=BB>DS3
DS1 sucks
While I don't agree with the order, it is true that first 3 games are role playing games, while Bloodborne and everything that came after it is rollspam simulator.
You can't even roll in bloodborne
You can jump like a madman because you have wooden shield.
what there are no shields in bloodborne
There is a wooden shield, anon.
you are so moronic
https://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Wooden+Shield
I'm not sure why I'm wasting time on people like you.
>wooden shield
holy shit there is a wooden shield
Its almost intentionally bad though
However there is a magic shield in the dlc that is actually good, it reduces all elemental damage you take by 70% when blocking it. You can survive giga nukes like a call beyond or even neuter arcane/fire/shock weapon strikes
Dark Souls 2 is the bestest because in that game you can actually identify as an attack helicopter.
How do you guys feel about the bloodnborne movie sony is making?
https://www.imdb.com/news/ni64463464/
I'd rather watch Pixels 2
Bb>demons>dark1>dark3>eldenring>dark2
I tried to play sekiro but it doesn't have ps4 controller prompts when using one on PC. Ah well. Seemed fun, and better than Elden ring. But I couldn't be fricked nodding it.
Elden ring was fricking boring. Just the same guys over and over, and a janky horse. Rannis voice was sexy tho.
fixed
>DeS Remake is S
>OG DeS is C
Are you fricking insane?
>replying to such obvious bait
Well, Sekiro is in D, which is correct, so it's really not that obvious.
Elden ring is garbage
there i said it.
[10/10s] BB > DS1 > SS > [9/10] DS3 > [8/10 beyond this point] DeS > ER > DS2
What's the Ludwig's Holy Blade of Elden Ring? I just finished my Bloodborne run and want to make a character for the upcoming ER DLC.
We humiliating dragonirian again?
Correct
>rdr2 is trash
yes
>posts hollow trash
the ironing
>silver for the DS
zoomer trash, take it away
Nice try DS2gay anyone who puts DS2 above anything is someone who loves DS2 but know they will get shit for putting it #1
DS2 derangement syndrome, really dusting off an old classic there. Haven’t seen one of you freaks in a long time.
Your game is shit, deal with it, homosexual.
dickripped
Xhe is at it again >674686354
>Armored Core VI
I've never played a single AC game in my life, but I know they always get maidocre scores and meh sales. Suddenly, AC6 is 9/10 game.
Is it really good, meaning, did they finally realise how to make a good AC game, or is that overrated crap because people these days will buy anything made by FromSoftware because of their name. Kinda like what CD Project Red ''fanboys'' do.
Funny I think the same way about ds3 zoomies putting that game anywhere but last.
It's really a sign of mental development. You can not like Dark Souls 2 while still appreciating what it set out to do. Dark Souls 3 is what happens when you try to appeal to everybody, you end up with something that is entirely worthless outside of its last DLC.
Bloodborne is shit.
The vial mechanic where you have to farm them is garbage, the game is effectively pay to win cause there is a cum dungeons you can play IF YOU PAY THE PS PLUS that gives you vast amounts of souls. The game is confusing, it's hard to know where to go without a guide and the numerous endings that you can frick up and be locked out of are garbage.
I would say bloodborne is the game with the fewest people who actually beat it, cause it's annoying to play.
Sekiro is not a souls game, frick off already
Dark Souls 1 is the worst in the series and I'm tired of pretending it's not. The first half is good, but Jesus Christ the 2nd half is such a slog. Half the game is an absolute chore to play, traverse, and doesn't even have any good boss fights to redeem the slog through the rest. This stuff can be tolerable when it's dispersed throughout a game, but when it's split into 2 linear halves of good & then bad, it's fricking awful.
Name the best game in the series the?
Anyone who rates DSII as a D is a contrarion conformist seeking to fit in with the rest of the contrarians on Ganker. You were obviously filtered.
Anyone who rates elden ring as S tier is a shitter who enjoys open world slop and fotm games. You love parroting opinions of your favorite streamer and have a rotted brain. It is a good game at its core, but it is inflated with tedious filler that ruins the experience.
All the rest rate how you want, I'm not filling in an infographic:
S - Sekiro, Bloodborne
A - DSI, DSIII
B - DSII, Demon's Souls
C - Elden Ring
D -
moron
Based tbh
Y’all dickheads don’t have a single coherent counter argument so you resort to generic insults. Get fricked Elden Ring shilldrones.
DS2 is the worst but only because it's a 7/10 game compared to the other Soulslikes which are steadily higher.
Its close to a 4 but yeah the other entries are all consistently better than that crapshoot of a game.
This. They’ll say shit like “The game is too easy because of life gems” as they fight a pursuer at level 4 with one estus flask. Fricking morons. It’s literally too difficult for people so they blame the controls.
>buy hundreds of lifegems
>Soul Memory goes up
>get invaded by some guy who spent souls on upgrading weapon and levelling
>''durr frick Soul Memory''
But I'm not gonna lie, I love low SM runs and invading people in early areas with a character who has endgame gear lel
>placing Sekiro that low
Elden Ring > Dark Souls 3 > Sekiro > Dark Souls > Dark Souls 2
I don't own a console.
Which of these was your first Souls game?
nta but it doesnt matter.
nta but it was Dark Souls
BB is king, DS3&ER are kino, DS&DeS are classics, Sekiro isn't a Souls game(still kino) and DS2 is watery puke mixed with diarrhoea
DS1.
good taste
>Ds2>ds1>des>sekiro>elden Black person>bloodtroony>ds3
simple ass. depends on what you like though
I just want more trick weapons man
>eric projecting by calling others schizo
Is that like a dragonirian?
Oh my god you actually are a schizo, my apologies man
Eric come on man this can't be good for your mental state
>eric
We doing the eric force again?
Funny how sad they are huh?
I’m begging you on my hands and knees to speak to a psychiatrist. You are dangerously mentally ill.
>begging
You'll eventually reach acceptance.
No, don't be disingenuous. We all know who Eric is. It's the guy that's constantly going on about "humiliation rituals" and "dragnoardian" (well, the latter is his current fixation, who knows what it'll be next).
>We all know who Eric is.
Nobody knows, schizo. Because he doesn't exist.
And you're the schizoid homosexual that keeps spamming that name.
Thank you for immediately exposing yourself by doing that btw.
Now kys.
My guy, you're not fooling anyone. His posting style is so distinct you have to be blind not to notice him.
The level of projection in this post is laughable.
You are so passionate when it comes to anon who apparently does not exist.
We can tell he is posting ny anons getting called eric. Only dragonirian does that. He makes the same threads every damn day.
So what country are you from anyway?
Uh, no, Eric is clearly just this guy:
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/text/humiliation%20ritual%20dragonirian/
What compels someone to post the same shit like that for months?
lol
It's sad, right? I feel like lately Ganker has been attracting a lot of these hyper focused autists that latch onto a franchise and shitpost all day. Though Eric isn't as shitty as that dude that makes extremely long-winded OP posts and acts like he's a genius when he's just using 1000 words to say nothing of substance.
lol dragonirian coping that anons police him now
Ganker is that guys life going by his steam account. I get why he copes but he made his bed.
Barry why are you replying to yourself?
Is this also the "dickripped" poster or is that a different guy?
All different anons. We are all "eric" to dragonirian in these threads. In bg3 threads we are all "farquaad," on Ganker we are all "italianon."
He makes up strawmen anon. He shitposts, anons make fun of him, he puts a name on them and spams it hoping to belittle them into not posting. Now anons do it to him so hes trying to form a profile on the anons doing it since we all have a profile on him now.
lol
Coping is the expected response. The idiots future posting here is essentially over and he is very upset about it.
>We all know who Eric is
We all know who dragonirian is too. I'd much rather chill with the erics.
>eric getting mad and desperately trying to claim he doesn't exist after being called out
Dragonirian kvetching is always funny.
Face it dragonirtroony you lost and got raped.
>schizo makes up boogeyman
>nobody but him brings him up
>thinks this is anything but a calling card
lol
He likes calling us eric. Hes done it for years. Calling card is a good way to put it.
I'd put sekiro before elden ring but otherwise good list
THEY ARE THE SAME FRICKING GAME YOU FROMDRONE FRICKING moronS YOU ARE LITERALLY MADDEN OR UBISOFT TIER REHASHES FRICK OFF WITH YOUR JANKY CAMERA SHITTY CONTROLS REHASHED GARBAGE
Clearly different games anon.
>UBISOFT TIER REHASHES
Assassin's Creed was fricking amazing with Altair and Ezio as protagonists, eat shit.
Eric isnt real and we are all eric.
Dragonirian is mentally unstable anon, hes been doing this for literally 10 years. He used to call owlcat fans farquaad.
>He used to call owlcat fans farquaad.
I thought that was referring to one specific homosexual whose portrait looked like farquaad.
That person never existed. Dragonirian does this a lot. On Ganker he uses some Italian anon. He always has a fake dox ready to go when things get hot for him.
The username of "italian anon" is Erik btw.
homie what the frick are you talking about.
>fake dox in case things get hot
HOT FROM WHAT?
From anons bullying his sorry arse. The fake dox for eric is posted ITT alreadt
I've got a headache from this moronation. If you don't want to give a full backstory that's fine but I'm just going to dismiss this as completely schizophrenic nonsense. I know there's a few named autists on this board but I've only ever seen this shit tossed around in TotK threads which are already a hive of discord mental illness.
Italian anon is a guy who posted screenshots of Shin Megami Tensei V, while playing it on Switch emulator. Yuzu or that other one, don't remember.
Eric is a guy who defends PS5 in every thread and shills upcoming PS5 games, but does not have the actual console.
All made up by dragoniki. We have 3 repeated instances of him making a strawman to attack then burning it when it gets to be a problem.
Did it with Italian anon
Did it with farquaad
Did it with eric
Dragoniki is insane.
this
farquaad is a raging homosexual who always makes his characters look in a specific way and he invades every RPG thread with hsi homosexualry
The clearest divide in the From playerbase is between the reflex test bossrush and the slow dungeon crawler crowds. BB/DS3/ER versus DeS/DS1/DS2.
>BB/DS3/ER versus DeS/DS1/DS2.
only DS2trannies say shit like this
BB/DS3/ER/DeS/DS1 versus is DS2 is reality, because that piece of shit is so terrible every fan agrees with eachother
You should spend less time on the internet.
>t.ds2trannie seething
kek
still true KEK
I'm still not playing God of War or TLoU, no matter how much you try.
bloodborne simply isn't a game
to be a game it must be 1080p 60fps minimum
Bloodborne, chalice dungeons.
Dark Souls, world layout.
Dark Souls II, pvp.
Dark Souls III, delayed R2
Elden Ring, great engine update.
Demon's Souls, overrated.
Sekiro, red haired stepchild which does not belong.
Deadly strike = crit
Critical strike = crit
On any hit both are checked.
If I have 30% chance to deadly strike, and 30% chance to critically strike, that means I have a 51% chance to crit, right? It's essentially an at least one success problem, right?
At least one success = 1 - chance of no successes
= 1 - (no deadly strike)*(no critical strike)
= 1 - (1 - chance of deadly strike)*(1 - chance of critical strike)
= 1 - (1 - 0.3) * (1 - 0.3)
= 1 - (0.7)*(0.7)
= 1 - 0.49
= 0.51
Alright here is the actual definitive list of best to worse of the trilogy, in order of best to good from top to bottom
>ER (actually DeS3)
>DeS (DeS1)
>DS3 (actually DeS2)
Then we have the spin-offs
>BB (DeS spin-off)
>DS1 (DeS spin-off)
Then we have the comfy inspired Soulslikes
>LotF (new one)
>Code Vein
>Surge 1
>Surge 2
Then we have the dogshit trash ripoffs
>DS2
>Nioh 1
>Nioh 2
>Wu Long
>Then we have the comfy inspired Soulslikes
>LotF (new one)
lol, nobody is going to fall for this shit
268thPBP
Go on, explain how it is worse than the games in the trash ripoffs list. If you really want, it can be moved into that list along with the original LotF
Alright.
>Difficulty
There is no challenge to be found in Lords of the Fallen (new). And I'm not the kind of person that thinks the premier part of a "Souls-like" has to be ball-crushing difficulty. But there has to be at least SOME kind of challenge to compel the player to keep moving forward, and LotF does not have that. Not in the levels, not in the bosses. Every single two-phase boss in the game was a total joke, to the point where I kept expecting a third phase because there's no way it could be THAT easy. Like Harrower Dervla was hyped up in promotional footage and was basically Artorias mixed with Gael and Twin Princes, but I beat it in one try...what the frick?
>Undercooked Umbral realm
Billed as the big "gimmick", there really wasn't much to it. The "puzzles", if you can call them that, just consisted of moving some platforms with an annoyingly slow animation. By the time you reach the swamp you've seen every Umbral-exclusive enemy in the game (part of the next problem below), and it's mostly just used so the player can cross over a gap and then leave as soon as possible so as not to deal with easy fodder enemies.
>Enemy variety
You will be fighting the same archers, berserkers, and dogs for 80% of the damn game. The other 20% are some occasional area specific enemies and reused minibosses (and most bosses are just regular enemies powered up or with an Umbral gimmick).
>Shitty combat
Even disregarding the weird gap closing and ice skating, each weapon category has a generic moveset shared by all weapons within that category. Once you've swung a greatsword, you've swung every greatsword. Ranged options are fricking broken, I had to stop using the lump hammer because it was trivializing already trivial encounters.
>Bafflingly awful endings
One ending is just Deacons of the Deep with a shitty monologue, one is Pieta with some new moves, and one they didn't give a boss at all.
Hitting word limit but I could probably go on.
>generic movesets
DeS reference
>low enemy variety
Low budget so they made due
>easy bosses
Bugged, patch fixed them so that they had the right defenses/let them use moves they should have been able to use
>umbral realm
Concept alone is kino, player is incentivized to stay for the increased soul gain
>awful endings
Umbral ending was fine, the other are mediocre
>ranged options
Throwing weapons were overtuned, but the system as a whole is good for incentivizing melee builds to actually use ranged options outside of the bare minimum of throwing a dagger to draw aggro
Conclusion: it’s a meh game (which puts it above every ripoff tier game)
Bad opinion, disregarded. Better luck next time.
I don’t do “opinions,” bud. I do analysis. Yeah.
>I don’t do “opinions,” bud. I do anal. Yeah.
It literally isn't, he's just shitposting since that's all Souls threads are any more, or really any thread on Ganker is any more.
And how is that better than Nioh 2?
>noooo you have to like my stupid padded out Diablo loot grind rip-off
No, I don’t. LotF at actually has pacing, unlike Nioh. Nioh’s level design is trash, and having its playtime artificially extended via random loot drop grinding makes it worse.
Judging by this person's list and his questionable taste in games, I have to assume that both Nioh games are good and I should (finally) play them.
They are. Nioh 2 is especially good, but it's also fricking brutal bordering unfair at times.
>Ganker: discord raids, twitter posts, and schizophrenic finger pointing.
It's funny how made he gets when we talk about him.
>made
Ohohohohoho… ahehehehehehee…”made”…? what, do pray tell, was made here…? sorry ahaha I just don’t understand! did- hahehe did you mean to type MAD?
lol @ dragonir having a mental breakdown
okay Eric
Except sekiro is ass
Dark Souls 3 is unironically for people that really, really like dark souls and are extremely good at it. It's a love letter to everything From has made from DeS onwards (except DaS2, lol) and is not for tourists.
You were so close, please refer to the definitive list throughever
Dragonirian loves these games, it can't be him.
getting my ass kicked in lies of ludo
>Dark Souls 2 > Sekiro
Dark Souls > Bloodborne > Elden Ring > Demon Souls >Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls Remasterd > Dark Souls 2 : SoTFS > dogshit > Dark Souls 2 > Demon Souls Remasterd
Also Sekiro isn't a souls game you stupid frick.
Demon's Souls is remake, not remaster.
Gomen anon you are correct
>what is soulslike
>Sekiro isn't a souls game
Neither is Bloodborne.
where does Stellar Blade rank?
asiaticslop tier.
Korean trash tier. Anything korean is bottom of the barrel.
>Dark Souls 3 (still an 8/10 game)
shut your prostitute mouth. 3 mogs 1 and 2 objectively. and imagine putting sekiro below 2. actual fricking brainlet with zero taste. kys
BB > Sekiro > DaS3 > DaS1 > DeS > DaS2 > ER
>2000 hours
Black person are you just idling in the game?
NTA but DaS3 is the souls game you play if you care about online stuff.
That's going to be a hard disagree from me
Just don't understand how unless you're duelgayging. Actual invasions were much better in Dark Souls (and could have been better in Dark Souls 2 if it weren't for fricking Soul Memory), duelhomosexualry has always been the lowest tier of online interaction to me, and I guess I'm in the minority here since everyone else has proven with Elden Ring that they don't even want to fight other people they just want to steamroll the game with co-op.
>hard disagree
>goes on to explain he doesn't care about multiplayer
Thanks for the downvote kind redditor, we really value your input.
>Doesn't care about multiplayer
>says the FGC tourneygay trying to claim super smash bros. is a serious fighting game.
Or if you want to play ds3
I play it for the pvp.
>plays DaS3 for the pvp
>has elden ring last
Let me guess you got filterd by RoB
I was filtered by the game being shit, which is why I haven't played it and never will. The pvp is so trash.
>muh jump attack spam
>muh thrusting sword
>muh dual lances
>muh crouch attack spam
>muh spell spam with seemingly infinite mana
troony game
But carthus curved sword being the size of a great sword is Based and redpilled right?
>carthus curved sword
no one has used that shit weapon since 2016. thanks for proving how little you know about the game.
>2000 hours in DS3
This homie spent eighty five point five days playing dance dance revolusouls: Boss rush edition
reasonable, I still prefer 3 over 2 but 2 has lots of cool ideas
Almost perfect list, I would personally put Sekiro and DaS2 over Elden Ring but I agree, even DaS3 is still a good game.
>make a new build to get ready for ER's DLC
>this character starts getting properly strong
>at some point, the gameplay becomes mostly a running R1 fest
>absent mindedly clearing out mobs in Legacy Dungeons(TM) with a large stick
>as opposed to the slightly smaller stick I used in a previous build
Time and time again, I reach the conclusion that Souls games have peaked with the older ones. The larger the scope these games have, the more the shallow and braindead combat becomes apparent.
Souls was at its best when you had to endure a whole area and then fight a boss at the end (a bit like running a Ghosts n Goblins level). The combat was interesting due to a variety of scenarios and perilous level design (DeS Valley of Defilement being a prime example), not because of the mechanics themselves necessarily. The formula instead turned into a glorified EPIC boss rush with multiple phases and a focus on spectacle. I've been wondering if Lies of P "gets it". I have an itch to try it out, I'll probably buy it next time it's on sale.
Terrible opinion
Whatever. I'm not going to pretend this shit I'm doing repeatedly in ER is fun or engaging, at least 70% of the game at this point basically plays itself. I don't expect things to change anytime soon, either. Most of the Souls fanbanse and Fromsoft themselves have set their minds to "bigger and more = better". The only thing left to do is treasure those older experiences that felt more well condensed and focused.
Thanks for the heads up.
ER for me is undone by how much gets reused, which is basically what every open world game does.
Great opinion. Also lies of P is extremely linear, and while the level design is competent it's not better than souls. From a pure combat perspective though, it's only surpassed by Sekiro and tied with BB imo.
can you wienersuckers stop saying that sekiroyo is a souls game?
what? i guess armored core is also a souls game because it was made by from software? fricking idiots
If it has poison swamps it's a Souls game, end of discussion.
im replaying DS1 rn and i almost forgot how good it was. BB is deff next, unmatched aura
DS1 holds up extremely well despite the dogshit bottom third.
DaS1 fumbles at blighttown and rapidly gets worse and worse from there.
>Dark Souls 2 above anything else
Nah frick off
I played Dark Souls 1 for the first time last year after playing every other FromSoft game, and it immediately felt worse to play and was more fundamentally flawed than everything that came after. I'm convinced that people who think it's the best Dark Souls game are blinded by nostalgia. The only other FromSoft souls-like that I haven't played is Demon's Souls but it looks more or less like Dark Souls 1 so I'm not interested.
In what universe does DS3 have the best SL1 run?
>DS1
>worst combat
>worst lore/story
>DS3
>worst world design
no that's DS2
ugly /= bad
DS2 is not only ugly, but bad too
webms please
thanks, that's fricking awesome lmao
i liked that it made it feel like a fever dream
SMOOTH CRIMINAL
>ds1
>worst lore/story
gayest thing i've ever read
As much as I hate DaS3 ER has the worst level design in all Souls game, and it's not even a contest. Fricking chalice dungeons (of which catacombs feel like a cheap ripoff) are more fun to explore than your average ER dungeon.
Stormveil Castle alone has some of the best level design in FromSoft's entire lineup.
Outside of the legacy dungeons, it's pretty unremarkable.
NTA but that's kind of the problem, ER has great stuff, maybe some of the best in the series, but it's spread out with a bunch of bullshit in between. I know exactly what they were going for in ER and they succeeded, but that doesn't change the fact that you could cut out 75% of ER's playable space and the game would only benefit from it.
Stormveil, Farum Azula and the capital sewers are the only dungeons that even remotely approach Souls standards for level design. They still suck because you have a grace or statue every other step you take.
ranking post 2009 fromsoft games as a pc gamer
ds1 ptde > seki > ac6 > ds2 vanilla > des rpcs3 > metal wolf chaos xd > ds3 > er > ninja blade
explanation:
>ds1 (10/10)
really unique experience even to this day, has the best world out of the bunch with god tier melancholic but hopeful atmosphere and art direction
every action has the right amount of weight
1st playthru will stick with you for the rest of ur life
>seki (10/10)
peak action, some of the tightest combat and movement tech in recent vidya, the moment it clicks it's cathartic
>ac6 (9/10)
best mecha game on the market, shame about the ost being forgettable
>ds2 (8.5/10)
comfy mmo vibes of an era many feel nostalgia towards
has a charm that's hard to replicate
cut corners bring it down a bit but overall a wonderful adventure
>des (8/10)
also a very nostalgic dungeon crawler with a crazy good vibe, brought down only by how unclear some of the mechanics and systems are
>metal wolf (7/10)
actually fun arcade tps with great humor, once you get mid to endgame gear you feel like a wrecking crew
>ds3 (7/10)
best ost they have done, consistent atmosphere and best lore out of the trilogy, but the world is so dull gray and oppressive it's easy to get burnt out fast
combat is very spammy compared to the rest of its kind
>er (6.5/10)
WAY too bloated for its own good, overstays its welcome, should have cut out two thirds of it, but despite this, the scale of the game world is a highlight and the core gameplay is solid
story is forgettable compared to previous entries
>ninja blade (5/10)
busted as frick pc port
mediocre action but so corny and over the top it loops around to being pretty entertaining
>ds1 remastered and ds2 sotfs
no need for these to exist
>bb
hasn't been released on proper hardware
>des remake
combine the two above
>ranking post 2009 fromsoft games as a pc gamer
Stopped reading there.
Why? Are you a console pleb by chance?
No, it just guarantees that the ranking will be incomplete. Why would I give a shit about the opinion of someone who hasn't played Demon's Souls or Bloodborne, two cornerstones of the series? I have no use for uninformed, incomplete opinions.
Other console pleb here.
Do I have to remind you how you PC players were unable to play PvP in all Souls games for more than a year becuase you are cheaters and FromSoftware needed time to remove the shit you made?
I PVP-ed plenty on PC though, it was alright. Couldn't care less about it though, these games shine elsewhere.
I have played Demon's Souls, you should have read just one line further.
I'll bother with Bloodborne when it's on adequate hardware, I'm in no rush. Then it will get graded.
Waiting for Bloodborne to get on PC before grading it is dishonest because you're not grading it based on the developer's vision, you're grading it based on what your non-intended hardware is making it look like. The game was designed with the PS4 in mind, with the PS4 frame rate and limitations in mind. Grading it based on anything else is dishonest and your grading cannot be taken seriously or be seen as sincere. In a similar vein, people who grade emulations of old games instead of the original game on the original hardware are also not to be trusted.
>you should grade the game based on its downgraded art direction because of shit hardware, and shit framerate with less smooth combat
your point is not as great as you think it is
If you need higher frames to enjoy a game, then you don't really enjoy the game. Human eyes could get used to 30fps within an hour, maybe two at most. It'll look natural after a while and the game becomes perfectly playable. If you can't get used to it, then it's a problem with your vision and not a problem with the game.
truly amazing
NTA but if you care the slightest bit about pvp, consoles are the way to go.
>one of the better lists itt
>isn't a contrarian or a baiting homosexual
>only one reply and it's just a dumbass crying
Today Ganker has disappointed me
because it's wrong
A consistent theme I see is that everyone who dislikes das3 sucks at the games.
DS1> BB > ER > DeS > DS3 > DS2
One day I'll play Sekiro.
bloodborne > sekiro > elden ring > dark souls > demon's souls > dark souls 2 = dark souls 3
dark souls 2 is more fun to play through but dark souls 3 has far better bosses so it kind of evens out
BB > DS1 > DS3 > Sekiro > DeS > ER >>> DS2*
I think it's important to clarify that while DS2 is undeniably the worst game in the series, that still means it's better than 75% of all other shit out there. It just has the misfortune of being the worst game in an excellent series. I also understand anyone who doesn't count Sekiro, but for me it's inseparable from the others. It'd be weirder for me not to count it.
I get that Sekiro is an action game separate from Souls and even BB, but after BB and especially Sekiro, I have a hard time enjoying ER combat. It feels like a big step back to me.
I try not to let the mechanics of previous games influence how I feel about later games. BB and especially Sekiro play very differently from the games that came before and after them, so it doesn't seem right to try and hold them up to that standard. I like BB and Sekiro a lot, but if I had the choice I wouldn't wave a magic wand and make other games in the series play more like either of them. They all have their own identities. I don't dislike ER's combat, though it definitely lacks the nuance of Sekiro. The near-absurd variety of weapons and ashes in ER means that the systems themselves have to be relatively boring to accommodate all of the shit the player can do.
bloodborne > nioh/2 > elden ring > the rest
ds2roons coping as usual
Sekiro >= Bloodborne > Dark Souls > Elden Ring > Dark Souls 3 > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 2
Only morons will disagree
From an actual GAME perspective, Sekiro is the best souls game by a longshot. Aesthetically BB is the best and it's also fun. The Dark Souls trilogy sucks, and demon souls did not age well. Do not reply to me for I speak the truth.
For those wondering, the canonical power ranking is DkS1 > BB > DeS >>> ER > DkS3 > DkS2
Why do people like bloodborne so much? It's my least favorite game by far
DeS sucks, it is objectively the worst SoulsBorneKiroRing game
My favourite games in the series are Demon's Souls (Original, OBVIOUSLY) and Dark Souls 1. The atmosphere they radiate is phenomenal. I wish that FromSoftware would approach again that slower kind of gameplay, some day...
have it for years, tried to play and first 30 was boring....should I really give it a try?