>by the end of Baldur's Gate you defeat Sarevok and few other dangerous enemies
>somehow between BG1 and 2 you get captured by second rate wizard who also kills permenently some of your party members from 1
Were people b***hing about this back in the days? Because this transition between games is moronic really.
No
Yes. I was. but it was not a big turnoff.
People werent as irredeemiably insufferable as now
How does a pajeet not know how to write 'redeemable'
Yes they were. They just didn't have a platform back in the day.
his right here. All the thoughts and opinions you see now existed back then in about the same number you just didn't have a phone that would let you post all those thoughts easily into such captivated markets like now. Ganker, Facebook and Twitter didn't exist yet, the fastest internet speed for home buyers possible was 3 to 5 Megabyte per second. You didn't know what people through unless you actively seek them out and join forums. Now the world has flipped on it's head and some random who shares a stupid opinion and we extrapolate to mean everyone must think it.
you wouldnt know how much "gamers" supposedly hate or wholeheartedly push for blacks and women unless you specifically went on the internet to complain about the same. ironically enough many people who cite increased accessibility to minimise the belligerency of the past were not in it.
youre talking absolute nonsense. in those forums and several other gathered thoughts people did infact discuss and lament the state of certain games and reacted to journalism the exact same way except the major complaint wasnt journalists playing moral arbiter it was them being shitheels who couldnt let go of their favourite game when reviewing new games. those literal who's were still the same fartsniffers distributing shit takes
there was a PS1 article criticising the use of analog sticks to control a camera and is only memorable because some moron thought it was a valid complaint to dock points from a game for having a "weird control scheme". it was not better back in the day and it being bigger is irrelevant when its existed in the medium to the same degree. theres just more people doing it
disregard me i went of on such a spergout over it i misread your agreement and argued with some of your points for no reason
>All the thoughts and opinions you see now existed back then in about the same number
I disagree. All thoughts and opinions you see now existed back then, but not in the same number. The internet has influenced peoples behavior for the worse. The internet conditions people who otherwise wouldn't be freaking out to join in on the freaking out.
RPGCodex was launched in 2002 or so and people hated BG2 back then
Literally though; looking back at old late '90s-early aughts forum posts is crazy. There's a famous thread that gets posted on Ganker a lot from the premiere of Spongebob.
>There's a famous thread that gets posted on Ganker a lot from the premiere of Spongebob.
Wasn't that in like 98? How many people had internet back then, 100?
It would have been a very select few for sure. I guess that's what I was trying to say I agreed with the other Anon on, people generally just didn't have access to these huge platforms on a widespread level.
Like...A month ago there was a thread about 90's internet posts, it included: Someone calling Link a troony, Fricking console war gaygory, "MuH SoUL" and calling each other Black person homosexuals
>Black person homosexuals
There's roman graffiti about barbarian dudes admiring Narcissus giant penis. Humanity hasn't changed a single fricking bit
this right here is cope to make a disgusting revolting homosexual feel normal
spoiler: it doesn’t work
Cope? I just mena dudes been calling tohers Black person homosexuals since Rome. Well, barbaric dick lovers but the meaning was the same
Viconia and Imoen have the same exact conversation
>Charname is my half-brother, you know! I won him nmy life, but let's not that it too far!"
>Your common parent is a god. This hardly counts as a genetic bond"
Viconia is right and Imoen should join you as your sister-wife
>a thread about 90's internet posts, it included: Someone calling Link a troony, Fricking console war gaygory, "MuH SoUL" and calling each other Black person homosexuals
The only one I'm actually surprised is the soul.
People haven't changed that much, Ganker even less. Whining about "muh election tourists" or how everyone just called each Black folk "as a joke" is the most obvious sign of new homosexualry possible.
And I would known. I've only started coming here around 2012
Some were. I remember quite a few boomers pissing and shitting themselves about how the pic related games weren't REAL Baldur's Gate and a disgrace to the series.
>mfw that Dark Alliance reference in in Astarion quest
cope & seethe
i loved dark alliance on the GBA
Honestly I don't, and I was knee deep into making mods with TeamBG. Some of my shit ended up in DSotSC. I mean there were some, obviously, but the way you are implying simply did not happen, no.
BG3 should've been like DA. Then it would've been GOTY and not slop.
>second rate wizard
He was literally archmage tier and basically could easily take down multitude of high level cowled wizards without breaking a sweat.
And Sarevok was level 15, while the vanilla cap for BG would be level 5.
>>by the end of Baldur's Gate you defeat Sarevok and few other dangerous enemies
Stop spoiling idiot
>stop spoiling a 25 year old game
darth vader is lukes father
Wait. What?
Noooooo!
>game starts with an evil knight in black armor killing your adoptive father
>you defeating him in the end is a spoiler
guess what. It Was His Sled.
>NOOOOO! DON’T SPOIL THAT THE BAD GUY FROM THE INTRO MOVIE AND TUTORIAL LOSES IN THE END
snape kills dumbledore
nobody honestly cared about khalid and dynaheir. I don't remember any complaints about their deaths in any alt.game boards
I cared deeply about Safana. And they did her dirty in bg2.
I wanted Garrick in my party in 2. What glorious adventures we had in 1. 3 would have made him gay and seige probably did but idk
Garrick is a human, he would have been and old and gay in BG3. Like Elton John.
He would be long dead, it takes place a 137 years after BG2. That's why Jaheira is a granny.
Anon... Let's check together the fate of all evil companions from BG we know of
>Faldorn - Dead
>Safana - Dead
>Tiax - Dead
>Xzar - Dead
>Montaron - Dead
And the sequel
>Edwin - Bad Ending
>Korgan - Bad Ending
>Hexxat - Bad Ending
>Dorn - Bad Ending
>Sarevok - Bad/Bitter Endings
>Viconia - Bad/Neutral Endings
And people b***hed that you kill Viconia and Sarevok in BG3. As if evil characters had any other fate in previous games.
Sarevok was redeemed by Abdel Adrian in BG2 tho
Edwin is possibly alive and immortal considering he wanted to become powerfull
Edwin ended up as a woman permanently, and a waitress in Waterdeep.
He had two epilogues - redeemed and non-redeemed. BG3 establishes that the latter is canon.
Also, as of BG3 "Abdel Adrian" is confirmed to be no longer a thing. He's just "Gorion's Ward".
Reminder to everyone: BG3 uses a shitty fanfic that even the author has disavowed as its canon. It's useless talking about canon anyway since it changes every day on the whims of some butthole at WOTC.
https://fantasyhandbook.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/my-bad-short-bad-book/
No, it doesn't. Those are the only novels who have been officially decanonized by WotC.
Abdel Adrian
>BG3 establishes that the latter is canon
Lmao, no one cares. Wizard's canon is flimsier than pudding
Remember when the novels were canon?
I'm pretty sure this is incorrect, if you walk into some dudes house unprompted in the lower city he talks to you about his son being an illithid hunter or some shit and gives you abdel adrians shield that I'll never use because I've got the adamantite one
anyways what is and isn't canon feels like a schizophrenic fever dream, it follows the games except for when it follows the books except for when it doesn't
I doubt Edwing died
Edwin got turned into a troony by Elminster
a fate worse than death
Edwin true fate is to stay on his woman form ang get pregnant
Didn't you read his epilogue? He DOES end up as a woman permanently.
>tfw somebody plapped Edwin
Abdel Adrian plapped Edwin. That's why Viconia is still evil, she got traded by a woman who used to be a man and it mindbroker her so hard, she lost like 12 levels
I want them to turn Edwina into a lich like Kangaxx and make a antire DLC dedicated to "her".
- Bad Ending
Hexxat died in BG2 the moment I ran into her.
they only killed her off because of some autististic roastie on the forums who was obsessed with coran back in the day
I cared about Imoen no longer being a thief. There are very few good thieves in BG2. They were pushing Yoshi hard.
Is there any dnd chink that doesnt look like cringe and out of context? KEK
Imoen is fine where she stopped as a thief shes still good as one shes just much better as a mage now and it clearly shows.
>Were people b***hing about this back in the days?
Do you see people b***hing about DOS2 or BG3? No, majority likes eating shit no matter the time period
>second rate wizard
he is as powerful as elminster
Actually more powerful since unlike Elminster Irenicus has no scruples
He doesn't have a billion broken abilities for being mystras toy boy though. Elminster still low diffs Irenicus, even if their stats are equal.
In my head canon Elminster doesn't exist. I hate that shitty Greenwood's power fantasy bullshit that ruins Forgotten Realms for me. Even Blackstaff is better. Manshoon is even betterrer and would have been a decent video game villain or antagonist.
>and he can use le silver fire multiple times a day which can't be blocked, can't be counter spelled and can travel through anti magic zones and 1-shots basically everyone
10/10 writing, stop denying it
Elminster is a wank fantasy that breaks the setting because if he was truly that powerful there would be no problems in the setting because he could just thanos snap anyone that acted up.
>Tom Bonbadil is a wank fantasy that breaks the setting because if he was truly that powerful there would be no problems in the setting because he could just thanos snap anyone that acted up.
Man just wants to eat cheese, give him a break.
Tom Bombadil is basically a maiar. He’s very clearly stated to be no match for Sauron and therefore isn’t able to instantly fix everything wrong in middle earth.
>dnd grognards can't grasp a single fricking theme to save their lives
LotR isn't about power rankings homosexuals, that's antithetical the entire fricking point.
Nooooo everything needs a power ranking what is the stat spread, I need a character sheet!!!!
But CAN Sauron beat One Punch Man?
lmao you know nothing about elminster or the forgotten realms campaign setting
be silent child
it wasn't common to be whiny about relatively small things in the 90s since most games are trash
most people found a way to kill khalid and dynaheir in BG1 anyway. that's the joke.
Nobody cared about Khalid also BG1 companions were just hirelings with some grunts
This is simply not true, one of them was my wife.
The comfiest portrait in existence
why do people hate Khalid? i could bring myself to kill him i just left him locked in the building
he's a fricking pussy who spends 90% of the early game running away frightened
idk, Minsc who keeps destroying all his weapons is ten times annoying.
Weapons breaking is entirely random and not any character's fault.
I always liked Khalid. I saw him as a timid everyday guy who felt like he was being dragged along by his brave adventurer wife Jaheira until he eventually got used to it, though he never lost his kind and soft personality. His voice lines are pretty hilarious, like he is terrified that you are clicking him and are about to make him do something.
>"WHA- Uhm. Y-Yes?"
"Oh, my heart's really not in this!"
He isnt a Fighter/Thief in vanilla which would have made him much better to have in the party.
Harper homies suck
Zhentarim got Montaron and he’s great even if he’s DISTURBING TO MY DEMEANOUR
They don’t? He just doesn’t really have a personality like all bg1 companions. You only retrospectively like him because he died and that’s genuinely the only noteworthy thing about him
I saw a pretty funny virgin vs Chad meme with Khalid but I can't find it. Something about dumping chr and still fricking
I don't think anyone cares about Khalid
I do. I also care about Dynaheir, Montaron, Xzar, Xan, Ajantis, Branwen, Coran, Garrick, Safana, Yeslick, Eldoth, and even Skie.
Khalid was memorable at least
>"the better part of valor, the better part of valor!"
>Gorion would be proud of your actions!
I killed him because I wanted to frick Jaheria and he didn't deserve her because he was a little b***h
simple as
Why do we hate irenicus, again? He only wanted to guide us to our true power
Also imoen sex
because ulimately he was a simp and a one dimensional villian held up by god tier voice acting
>He only wanted to guide us to our true power
No he didn't. All he wanted to do was extract your soul.
Dream Irenicus was actually bhaal
>Were people b***hing about this back in the days?
Yes? This shouldn't have to be said.
>second rate wizard
>Irenicus
>2nd rate Wizard
Lol did you even play the game?
Late game 1v1 whos the stronger class in bg2?
Kensai/Wizard
EE dimwit losers do not apply homosexual
dumbass
>plays troony game
dilate.
kensai was in regular bg2 zoomer tourist mutt
Late-game wizards were absurdly op both in crpg as well as pen and paper ad&d. They just could never get the powerlevels in line because dumbdumb warriors could never get any skills/stats that would have been anywhere close.
Some sort of fighter/wizard
Stronger than what
Fighter wizard. It's not even close.
Sorcerer. Nothing can survive a timestop alacrity.
Kensai/Thief
Also how did irenicus escape spellhold? If there's a silence field in there to prevent spellcasting there is nothing he could a done due to his mage class.
Checkmate lorelets
Who cares? Irenicus had nothing to do with which spawn is going to become the next lord of murder, which is the main plot of the series. He was a sideplot arc wrongly elevated to mainplot.
He's the best villain in the series though
Irenicus is a gay writer's pet.
Sarevok was honestly a lot better despite being so plain, the writers could actually joke around with him a bit without having him turn into a joke himself.
I seem to remember the cover story was the Hero of Baldur's Gate got a fat head and ended up being drugged at a party and was smuggled out of the city by Irenicus' goons to Irenicus' awaiting dungeon for...experiments.
Aaah, the child of Bhaal has awoken.
If you actually played BG1 then you'll know that your character didn't just waltz in and punch Sarevok in the face. Sarevok is one of the most stupid, unbalanced, mood-souring end bosses I've ever had the misfortune of playing against, he's practically impossible to beat without some degree of cheese (eg. Summoning a million fodder animals, using Magic Missle scrolls for guaranteed damage etcetcetc) and he's even more practically impossible if you don't savescum like crazy to remove his guards first.
I absolutely refuse to believe there's a single person in this world who walked into Sarevok's lair, playing completely blind, and cruised through one shotting him. Not without some degree to cheating or walkthroughs.
Point is: The narrative tells you that you beat Sarevok, but the gameplay tells you that it was an incredibly dangerous and close fight that took everything you had. You're not above or beyond him, you're below his level and used everything you had to reach it and cast him down.
Irenicus is much more powerful than that. And he ambushes you when you're asleep. No shit you didn't have a chance.
Potion of invis and thief backstab
It's been a long while, but I'm fairly sure that ain't killing him and your thief is going to turn into chunks of meat the next turn. Is Backstab guaranteed to hit? IIRC he's got some dumbass AC anyway.
I remember getting spotted a fricking tonne of times just getting my thief to disarm those insane traps around the room, so I dunno how much it'd take to get a backstab on him. But maybe with potion of invis it's different, it's been a long while so I don't know.
Probably Sarevok unless you're savescumming his rolls until he fails. Even then, does that kill him? It's the same ridiculous cheese I was talking about.
I think it's a guaranteed hit, don't remember any of the specifics, but I used coran, dodged all the traps while invis, or maybe got hit idk, backstabbed him once and immediately used another invis potion to backstab him again. Probably used haste as well. I dunno if that always works or if it bugged out (it was quite a buggy game with realtime and using items).
I was a complete noob at DnD and only learned that thieves actually could backstab for that fight
Sarevok VS One staff of Cloud kill, who will win?
I did, I had more problems with the basilisk on that desert map
>basilisk
Frick those shitters and randomly ending up meeting them just because you were exploring a bit. In the end there wasn't even anything good in the desert map to loot either.
>meanwhile in ICWD 1
>Ring that grants immunity to spell levels 1-9
> The Cloak of Mirroring grants immunity to all spells, abilities and weapon on-hit effects of the Offensive damage type, unless they come from the wearer.
Yeah BG2 was full of bullshit items like this nothing like that in ICWD 1
And thats a good thing.
how are you supposed to kill that?
For starters you need +3 weapons or you won't hit him at all even if you roll a 20 attack
I don't see anything that provides backstab immunity or see invisible, so probably thieves
Poisoned daggers used to frick back in the day
He can see invisible units too so backstabs don't work on him
>AC -12
what the frick
played through it again not so long ago
it's not that hard of a fight because for starters, you are the player and opponent is an ai
>fight starts
>all your buffs are dispelled
haste is all you really need anyway
Every time I consider playing through Icewind Dale again I remember this motherfricker and just go back to NWN.
You forgot his dmeon friends, the iron golem s and the deadly trap. Also he's hasted.
But really, how do you kill this? Just warrior classes with weapons +3 and haste unga bunga?
Mostly, fighter its the class to go in that game
skill issue
I was around 14 at the time and remember getting really pissed off that the credits roll right after you down him so you don't get the chance to loot. And yeah it took me about two hours to kill the guy
Hell he was a super tank that no magic can hurt him KEK
I beat BG1 the other day and I had to reload a bunch to get a good strategy going in order to beat him. I eventually made it work by going ALL IN on targeting only him during the fight and beating his ass in a rushdown attempt. It was actually a pretty hard fight, so it was cool to see that kind of final boss that you have to actually think about (or exploit with a sneaky cheese tactic).
I started laughing during the first attempt when he came barreling towards me at Sonic fricking speeds with his haste buff and then immediately died.
I sure as shit did not cheat and there were no "walkthroughs" back then the way there are now. I just understood the interplay between buffs and debuffs. That there is the key to success. Git gud.
>there were no "walkthroughs" back then
Yes, there were.
>and there were no "walkthroughs
They were and the cost a 1/3 of the game it was really a scam that plagued every game of that time specially point and click with impossible puzzles
Nintendo was in the magazine business in the late 80s early 90s, they just used video games to sell them. Nintendo Power was their cash cow
Well if were going by lore irenicus is stronger sure but actual gameplay irenicus is the easiest final boss. Seravok and amelysson are far far far harder.
Half of the reason on what makes seravok harder is the room being trapped to hell with so many mages with him and tob b***h and all of the other bullshit in her gaulent. My man irenicus has no friends
...What?
I thought he was a random dungeon mob and was shocked when the game ended when he died
Disarming the traps on the sides is easy. Ignore the traps in the middle. You can aggro the guy on the right who casts all those annoying AOE. After that sarevok is a cakewalk.
Also, try SCS mod for BG2. I agree the original Irenicus bossfight is underwhelming, but the SCS version is scary. I easily beat most fights in the game, cleared the twisted rune etc (SCS), and Irenicus wiped half my party instantly.
I played BG1 with my friends in co-op and we beat him on our second or third try despite being fricking awful at the game.
>berserker sprints at sarevok like a moron
>cleric animates dead to try to keep some attention off of the berserker
>wizard gets instantly targeted by the people with sarevok and spends the entire fight kiting them
And that was it. The berserker essentially solo'd him, outside of maybe 1 or 2 cure wounds.
i read hes easier in EE, in OG bg1 he was magic immune.
In OG BG1 the fight would just bug the frick out most of the time for me.
I did this fight like two years ago. I had to reload like twice but that's it, I really don't know what's supposed to be so fricked about it.
You can bait his dumbass pals to follow you outside of the building and mog them there 1 by 1. Thats what I did first time around
>BG1 Sarevok
>Be caster
>Cast offensive spell
>"Sarevok is 100% immune to magic"
This made me so angry and disappointed. Eventually did some aoe cheese I think. I had no idea how DnD or the systems worked I just got what sounded like cool offensive spells and chucked it at people while my dudes waited or rushed into melee whom I furiously tried to heal as they got obliterated. Nothing was optimized and I still don't understand how stealth nor backstabs work in BG1.
Basilisks gave me nightmares. It was nothing but savescum and cheese to kill them. Spent a lot of time running around when enemies cast improved invisibility. Doors let me dodge spells until they were out.
>That fricking assassin Bergeost casting hold person
>Be caster
>Basilisks gave me nightmares.
what.
Beamdog is a guilty of a number of different crimes. Here are the major ones.
1. The Enhanced Editions are essentially a collection of free mods that had existed for nearly twenty years. Beamdog gathered them all up, slapped "Enhanced Edition" on it and resold it as a new product. There's very very little in the Enhanced Editions that wasn't already out there, and most of it is stuff you don't want (like obnoxious character outlines).
2. The games didn't sell so well and the originals were still far outselling them, even twenty years after their release, so Beamdog had EVERY digital distributor stop selling the originals and ONLY sell the Enhanced Edition. If you want to buy a digital copy of the originals now, they're "bundled" into the Enhanced Edition. Now these scumbags can claim sales from people just wanting to buy the originals as their own.
3. The infamous 600+ bugs on launch. The game is still riddled with bugs (as even a perfunctory glance over their forums show) but the fact that it took nearly two years for them to get a game that had been working fine for 20 years to reach playability after launch is telling of their wild incompetence.
4. This is where we get to the ones that really piss people off. Beamdog couldn't just remaster the game, they had to frick with the content too. New dialogue for existing npcs like Jaheira, Viconia, Safana, Kivan, et cetera was written in to make the characters more progressive and leftist friendly. Beamdog shills will argue that "adding content isn't changing content XDDD" but it is when the new content changes the core personalities of the existing characters. This is in addition to adding a slew of their own LGBT (hitherto there were none in Baldur's Gate) NPCs, all flooded with OP attributes and magic items to encourage people to play them despite their cancer.
5. Siege of motherfricking Dragonspear.
Is buying the EE and modding the new shit out possible?
Yes
>buying
dont give money to beamdog, mod
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/43074/mod-disable-enhanced-edition-npcs-for-bg-ee-bg2-ee/p1
>dont give money to beamdog
I'd gladly buy the originals to give money to Interplay, but they're not available anywhere
>but they're not available anywhere
And that's because of Beamdog...
Which is pretty scummy.
That's true.
I don't know who has the rights. If it was Bioware then EA, but Interplay published it, so...?
If Interplay is still around then I think the money would go to Microsoft now? Shit's confusing.
>give money to Interplay
Why, they would just have fricking pissed it away somehow.
I think even if classic was still on the stores you'd technically be giving money to EA, no?
I was fortunate enough to find this collection with a complete set of discs in good condition in a second hand store for 2$
I picked them up at a car boot sale when i was like 7, tried to start with BG2 for some reason - barely made it out Irenicus' Dungeon before I gave up because it was too hard and I had know idea what I was doing
Classic to start with number 2 and getting dicked on, I bought Morrowind when I was 7 and got shat on by a kwama forager in Seyda Neen
shit Black person I bought that shit retail
What was the retail price for BG back then?
I paid 150-200 francs if I remember correctly, for the 5 CD version, 20€ for the full collection, and got a deal, 30€ got me BG collection, BG, BG2 and both expacs and IWD1&2, two different boxsets.
kinda blew my mind to get so many games over as many discs as a single one took
yes but you might as well just play the originals at that point. there's no way to buy them with your money going towards any of the people who actually made the game.
If you buy EE on GOG they give you codes you can redeem to get the originals. The money still goes to Beamdog though.
BG was played predominantly by homosexuals and coomers
BG2 added "romance" so they loved it
Its a dogshit franchise otherwise
Was Sarevok even *powerful*?
I'd say he was more of a cunning brute, he managed to manipulate and misdirect his opponents but I don't think he could've taken on the Flaming Fist or anything on his own.
On the other hand, he's fricking tough in his fight so I dunno.
He's like a 15th level fighter or something and bhaalspawn to boot. He's pretty powerful.
>didn't even unlock slayer
gg scrubspawn no re
>somehow between BG1 and 2 you get captured by second rate wizard
in the game files, Irenicus is just a reskin of Elminster with all the same stats, iirc. so he's incredibly powerful.
>second rate wizard
What? homie is insanely powerful for any D&D standard
I'm playing bg1 and how the frick do I make money for all the good equipment? The quests and looting gives frick all, fighting ankeghs is slow as frick. Fighting wyverns is also slow as frick
Maybe you don't need to buy all that good equipment Mr. Chuddster
As a ranger the only thing I kept buying was the fireball arrows
True true
Yeah but I want to buy the dagger of venom and robes of the arch magi + a bunch of scrolls, not that there isn't anything to buy
If you want good equipment, skip to bg2. BG1 is stingy with that kind of stuff, as a low level adventure should be.
Stop being evil.
But I'm a good guy otherwise I would just kill npcs for equipment like drizzt
Well I dunno then, if you have high char and rep you shouldn't be struggling too much to afford shit.
Well my charisma is like 12 so that might be why
iirc if you have 20 char and 20 rep it's worth roughly a 50% discount from vendors
Sell enchanted items you're not using instead of hoarding them
grind ankhegs in the ankheg hole
So slow. I am not using minsc so I can carry at max 2 shells and the trip takes like 5 minutes min each time. Take an hour to get 12k
Most good stuff you can find/loot. There's not that much to buy.
John Ironicus is a level 25 wizard by all rights he can do whatever he wants with you and your sister's ass
my sister's ass belongs to me and me alone
Speaking of my sister's ass, how's the Imoen romance mod? Does it fit? Is it voiced?
I've never played it but I constantly see that one screenshot of her freaking out over you cumming inside her
Post it
I was going through the archive to see if I found the screenshot but I didn't so I downloaded the mod and checked the dialogue, this was the one I always see, guess I misremembered the nakadashi:
>@121 = ~Look, jelly-brain - there's a real ugly word for what we did, and it's 'incest'. Don't you get it? You had sex with your sister! It's- it's *wrong*!~
>>@121 = ~Look, jelly-brain - there's a real ugly word for what we did, and it's 'incest'. Don't you get it? You had sex with your sister! It's- it's *wrong*!~
Then why does it feel so right?
Imoen is not MC sister.
Imoen is bhaalspawn too
Could be very distant cousins, Bhaal fricked alot of woman
Imoen being a Bhaalspawn is probably the worst recton between all 3 games. Gorion seemingly didn't care about taking her with them, Sarevok didn't care about taking out a Bhaalspawn right there. It would be even easier considering you don't even need her in your party which should mean he just sends assassins at some low level scrub girl
…they had the same dad.
I always assumed Bhaal took the guise of different mortal men to impregnate mortal women. The bhaalspawn aren't related by blood. How would it make sense for you and Imoen to be related if you can be a full-blood elf or dwarf, while Imoen is human? Hell, one of the bhaalspawn was a fricking fire giant.
On a biological level yeah, that makes sense. But everyone always regarded the spawn as siblings cause they have the same dad.
Also, she considered you her sibling even before that by the narrative. "Basically your little sister" is what the fiest game called her
>"Basically your little sister"
As in, not literally. She's your step-sis. You were raised together so she sees you like a brother, but you aren't related except on a metaphysical level of having a part of Bhaal's divine essence.
The psychological mechanism that makes humans shy away from incest is based on who you get raised with as a sibling, not magical blood sense.
it's ok, you get to bond over your love for murder
my friend’s cousin who we grew up playing with was “basically my little sister” because we were so close
when I was 22 and she was 19 I fricked her
Imoen is not MC sister you disgusting incest fetishist
It is your sister and Sarevok even calls you brother
I call my best friend from childhood “brother”
Imoen is not MC sister you fricking moronic gay.
If your dad is the same as another person you're siblings. Bioware clearly thought the same or Imoen would be a romance option with how popular she was.
They are not related by blood.
>They are not related by blood.
Yet they are both Bhaalspawn, pick one.
They literally are half brothers, Bhaal fricked and raped women as a mortal. Their DNA is shared, it's incest.
>Their DNA is shared
They are all from different species.
And? It's the same father DNA, not metaphorically, not through some unholy spirit. Bhaal actively came inside fire giants, dragons, drow, halflings, elves, dwarves and more to fulfill his plans.
>It's the same father DNA
It's not though. If you're an elf It's literally impossible for you to share dna with the fully human Imoen
Bhaal is a god, he can shapeshift into whatever form he wants, if he did a Zeus and transformed into a swan and then fricked another swan, the cygnets wouldn't be your half-siblings
okay Viconia
she's still not going to frick Charname
>screenshot of her freaking out over you cumming inside her
proof or it didn't happen
Post it
I remember you can rape Imoen if you rest in the tutorial dungeon in BG2 without any mods.
It's good stuff
It's OK, kinda well done, it does feature some sleazy VN tier music during some of her romance scenes though. Obviously it will have much more content than anyone else in the game but that's what you will have to deal with
There one fricked is that she doesn't want to have children at all. Nothing made me want to ascend to godhood faster than that, lmao
At least you can ascend with her and become the god of incest
Did they got inspired by jojo to make irenicus?
Oh look it's another "we must shit on the past to justify the mediocrity of the current day" thread. BG3 is a 6/10 game at best and BG1 and 2 are masterpieces of the cRPG genre.
based. Shills are desperate.
Nobody liked Khalid and Dynaheir
I liked Khalid but I banged his bawd of a wife
I think a character like Khalid has value but they didn't really do anything with him.
You’re right I let Edwin kill her
Well Beamdog felt the need to satisfy people like you and look what happened there.
I do remember people complaining about it along the lines of it being a 'rocks fall everyone dies' situation. There were far fewer places to whine about shit back then though.
They killed khalid to open his wife for romance.
>level 30 mage
>second rate
lol, lmao even
thankfully people from past generations weren't as affected with brain rot as gen z
They are going off of wow or jrpg logic
The point is that he is a made up character not some well known mage in the setting and everything happened off screen
I could make an excuse like this as well
>Oh remember how you finished xxx game? Well between it and the sequel a really strong 40lvl barbarian captured you, killed your two party members and raped your sister!
>Its not a bad storytelling by any means because he was a really strong 40lvl character!
If you'd actually played BG1 you'd know that your party gets captured live there, and one of your companions can get killed depending on your dialogue choices. By regular guards without an epic-level mage at that.
there is an optional mini-boss you can find in BG1 who mentions she was transformed into a blob by some dude called Jon Irenicus, but I don't know if that was an EE addition
She was his old flame.
Jon baldur?
Old good new bad
Fat spider woman. She apparently killed Irenicus’ girlfriend out of spite so he turned her into a disgusting abomination for revenge.
The joke went over your head
>makes shitty joke
>”haha, you have to laugh now”
The spider girl in Cloakwood I believe
It was always there but his name was slightly different when BG1 came out
There were other things in the game pointing to a sequel
>When we charmed the huge bloated creature that called herself Centeol, we were told an interesting story. It seems she was cursed to her current shape by a powerful mage called Jon Icarus. We don't know what any of this has to do with the adventure we're on right now, but you never can know. Perhaps it will come in useful in a sequel
How subtle
There's also a joke NPC called Lord Foreshadow who blathers about events from BG2 and about Neverwinter(lol).
Bioware really thought they would produce Neverwinter in 2-5 years and it would be game-changing.
NWN was originally supposed to look like the Baldur's Gate games before they started from scratch to make it full 3D, would have been interesting to see how the multiplayer aspect would have worked.
It’s too bad it didn’t. BG still looks fine but NWN looks like shit
I think NWN looks nice enough overall, weapon models look like ass though
1 certainly looks a lot better than 2
I would have been better.
Nwn campaign was sacrificed to make the "computer D&D" system. Nwn 1 campaign made proper, like BG2 would have been so good.
She's ready Mr bond
>Centeol will claim that she was once a sorceress, and was cursed by the arch-mage Jon Irenicus for murdering his lover, Tanova. Centeol was obsessed with Irenicus. She wanted him to love her, but he loved only Tanova. So Centeol devised and executed a plan to kill her. When Irenicus discovered his lover's death, he animated her corpse (only in EE) and discovered the identity of her killer. Then he went to Centeol's tower and cursed her with obesity and put her in a cave with spiders to guard and feed her so she would live in misery
>3.3.1: So why are you so fat? Not to pry or anything...
>"Your humor doesn't amuse me. Die!"
You could bully fat people in older games
I will freely admit it’s bad storytelling. But it was done intentionally so that new players joining the series in the middle wouldn’t have to play all of bg1 to understand what’s going on.
You character level has no meaning in the situation that is the start of BG2. According to DnD rules a ambush while you are lying prone and sleeping gives you no reaction time no matter the power level.
Which party member was on watch when it happened.
The one that got killed instead of being captured
SoD showed that everyone was standing around trying to cheer up the Bhaalspawn and then they heard a rustling in bushes or some shit.
It's fricking unbelieveable how bad SoD ruins shit the more you think about it.
hahahahaha wtf is that
?t=3546
>SoD
Haha
C'mon, guys. Wasn't it awesome and totally in character for Incelicus to follow you around and ask you a bunch of questions about being a Bhaalspawn, something he absolutely cared about and didn't just want your soul for his own agenda?
>SoD
not canon, didn't read
What was even the point of having an expansion between the games of the explanation for you being captured was gonna be
>And then you all got ambushed in a random forest
>lvl 18 demigod of murder and got scrubbed into jail
Avarage D&D experience, lol
>second rate
Also, no. People back in the day usually b***hed about things like the Underdark being too railroaded or Umber Hulks being too annoying.
> wtf is fantasy
Even starter levels of BG2 is pretty high by dnd standards. What level are street Athkatla guards? Level 10?
Learn to suspend your disbelief to enjoy things.
The ending of NW2 into MotB is what got people really fricking heated.
BG1 has little to no story content, and BG2 has a shitton (and also regular content), so no, nobody gave a shit.
Would you?
Of course.
Then and now
I'd be her omnipresent authority figure
She has a voice line when you select her in BG3 that's kind of a reference to it,"Such authority..." and the way she says it is so playful and almost sensual. Like she is so glad to being under the control of the omnipresent authority figure after all these years.
Would chain her up in a factory line, yes.
Best romance in base BG2
a shame the ToB portion is absolutely fricking nothing until the final scene
Annoying scold. Barely more tolerable the Aerie.
its pretty well established that sarevok only seemed like a big bad evil guy because you and he were relatively both low power. irenicus is a thousands year old former elf archmage who totally outclasses sarevok. not to mention catching you by ambush.
just sayin'.
>archmage that singlehandedly makes an entire elven kingdom uneasy
>second rate
Irenicus is more powerful than Sarevok is at the end of BG1. No matter what his stats say, Sarevok has a CHA build based on tricking the council of Baldur's Gate to become influential. In terms of raw individual power he's very strong but not the epic levels. The fight at the end of BG1 is enough to attract the attention of people like Irenicus because of your special status, not because it was unseen power.
I believe it. David Warner's voice....hnngghhh...
>somehow Bhaal returned, again
wow how do they keep it so fresh with every new Baldur's Gate game
I think you're confusing BG with Diablo.
Bhaal doesn't return
>God in the setting is still there
Uhh yeah, that's how that works.
Gods in Forgotten Realms come and go. Bane, Bhaal, Myrkul, Cyric and a bunch of other gods were normal living mortals once who leveled up into epicness.
Yeah, that's true, fair enough. Bhaal isn't even technically a god anymore, the dead three are quasi-divine and are actually mortal in BG3.
Gods in DnD are jobbers minus some real shit like the Lady of Pain
How do you even determine that though? As a DM I could run a campaign where Ioun goes bananas and deems mortals don't deserve knowledge of the arcana and zaps magic from the world.
Forgotten Realms gods are a bunch of middle managers put in place cause Ao either can't be bothered or because his boss ordered not to be a direct god.
When you really think about it, the divine system in Toril is extremely fricked up.
>if you have a soul, you're eternally chained to a fricked up system where you serve the gods
>if you refuse to serve the gods, you are trapped in a wall forever
>if you avoid the wall, you can still arbitrarily get nabbed by demons or devils or eaten by a lich like Vlaakith
An independent Mind Flayer is the only sapient creature that can be considered truly free.
You can go to another universe if you're a powerful enough wizard. If yoy move to Greyhawk or something the like you can get a less fricked system
a powerful enough wizard can fricking go to Earth
Yeah, back in ye old days of Drago Magazine Mordenkaiden, Elminster and a couple other wizards would travel to earth to trade spells and eat pizza together or something.
The Wall of thr Faithless is straight up evil and the fact that the supposedly good gods allowed this cause it makes people turn to gods out of terror is proof that their idea of good and mine are quite different.
It's AO's racket after all.
>hey, you gods better get enough worshippers AND do things for them to get more worshippers
>and you mortals should worship
>anyone who doesn't participate gets fricked up personally by me
He collects a tithe from an entire world while doing a lot less than the chief gods of any other world.
To be honest, NWN failed on multiple levels:
1.The campaign was terrible and easily surpassed by amateur modders using the publicly available module builder that came in with the game.
2.The game itself was crippled by Bioware's insistence on pushing for a console and accomodating contemporary trends which lead to ugly graphics, moronic UI and absurdly bad camera.
> I want to "be free", i.e. indulge in sin
> Why am I banished to hell (aka the wall)? It's not fair 🙁
> These disgusting evil borderline insane creatures are the only "truly free" entities, they are so cool
No
If you're an objectively good person but don't worship a god you go to the wall too
>objectively good
And how do you measure that?
By your alignment
Duh
not anymore, chuddy
But anon, atheists are objectively bad.
If you're evil you go to the hells moron.
t. the Emperor
I wanna frick that b***h like you wouldn't believe.
He's been alive for a while. Bhaalspawn are also not what they were, he just makes them now from gore.
only the dark urge
There's a gore vendor in that test chamber with Sarevok, he's a pretty chill dude.
Hmm? The throne of bhaal guys? Those are all ghosts, I guess Bhaal gave them back their divine essence after he was reborn, but they are not the same as the dark urge, I don't think. I may be wrong.
He's a Dragonborn that sells you gear related to death in BG3. I remember looking at him in the trade window and it said Gore under his name.
Yeah, I guess you didn't play BG2: ToB then, he's the blue dragon bhaalspawn you fight and kill. All the guys in that chamber (except one) are sons of Bhaal who got killed by CHARNAME and their divine essence got absorbed by Amelyssan (the one in the chamber who is not a bhaalspawn, though she was the mother of bhaal's mortal form), she turns herself into a goddess and then CHARNAME also stomps her at the end of the game.
During the BG3 timeline the are no living Bhaalspawns other than Dark Urge and Orin. Dark Urgeis molded personally by Bhaal, he's not a product of him raping some random woman like the others used to be. Orin arguably shouldn't be a Bhaalspawn either since Sarevok lost his divine essence when he got killed in BG1, but I guess he got some of it back as a reward for rebuilding the temple just like the rest of the tribunal got their own essence of murder back despite being ghosts.
Ohhh, that's what you mean. I honestly just didn't put two and two together. That's neat.
durge is some kind of flesh golem and not a real person who awakened to murderblood? guess i'll stick to custom
Wotc has brought him back like a decade ago and also the entire point of the bhaalspawn saga was that bhaal still existed even if he was dead, as long as his essence lives on he would return sooner or later
>second rate wizard
u wot
You were like level 8 by the end of BG1. Irenicus is 20 or 30
Yes I was a bit annoyed that none of my choices mattered for the sequel.
But we are talking about 2000 technology so it could be used excused.
>Were people b***hing about this back in the days?
I was. The worst thing is the Black Isle told gaming media that BG1 had a weak story and BG2 was going to fix that with the roundabout and tangential plot of a dumb mad scientist kidnap sideplot that had nothing to do with the race between the spawn for Bhaal apotheosis, which BG1 perfectly revealed and staged.
The thing that will really do your noodle in is that the first game is leaps and bounds beyond the sequel in basically everything, but Biodrones will Biodrone.
>somehow between BG1 and 2 you get captured by second rate wizard
>second rate wizard
I kek'd
Are there any other RPGs like BG1 where you start as a complete b***h of a hero and end the game as a marginally smaller b***h but still small fry in the greater scheme of things? RPGs nowadays make you feel powerful way too quick.
Kingdom Come: Deliverance but you don't get to make your complete b***h of a hero, you play as a pre-determined character who is a peasant and becomes a servant/man at arms/knight as the game progresses.
Is there any point playing 1 and 2 today? I liked 3.
1 not much unless you want more stats for 2
2 its a a pretty nice game full of OP shit you can get
Yes, they tell a better story than 3.
Yes they're both good. 1 is pure adventure and 2 is a high level themepark but still fun to play through
They are the better written ones. You get platonic paladins and funny gnomes similar to Minsc instead horny porn actors and bawds
Not so sure about BG1, I really don't like that game because of how low level everything is. But there are lots of people that like it because of that reason alone.
I like BG2 the most because casters are so absurdly powerful, setting up contingencies, triple contingencies, demon summons, time stops, clones and astral projections of yourself that cast the same OP spells as you and other absurd shit is so fricking fun. There is not a single game that has magic like BG2.
Irenicus kill 2 characters from BG 1. Jaheiras husband and Minscs girlfriend
>Comparing a moronic jobber who's grand plan was to poison some mines to some powerful exile.
Come the frick on.
>second rate wizard
Only if you compare every wizard to the like of Elminister.
Sarevok was Nappa tier. Irenicus was Frieza
He's literally Vegeta though
>Do it, Bhaalspawn, embrace your bloodline and become a god, successed where I fail!
Oh yeah he joins in expansion and job to gnolls and orcs
Wasnt more like vegeta? You can recruit him after dying like vegeta
In every post about the opening of BG2 I've ever seen, people seem incredibly forgiving of Irenicus (how couldn't you be, his voice is so charming), nobody cares about Khalid beyond 'why didn't Jaheira want to revive him what a b***h', nobody MENTIONS Dynaheir (if anything people are usually more upset about the other BG1 npcs being made jokes like Garrick or Safana)
The thing most people took issue with was 'why were the Bhaalspawn and a random assortment of (good) NPCs traveling? Where were they going?'
The Trilogy mod made its own answer, Siege of Dragonspear made its own answer; the pressing question wasn't how the Shadow Thieves jumped you in your sleep but why you were sleeping in the woods in the first place.
Based on bg3 the bhaalspawn was a good hero who traveled with Imoen, Jaheira, Minsc, Aerie and Jan
No one cares about BG1 companions who weren't evolved in BG2 because BG1 companions had almost no development. Khalid is just haha funny voice and portrait.
Although arguably, some BG1 companions had a good base for a character, like Monty and Xzar, Xan, Tiax, Kagain, Branwen, Coran, Sharteel, etc.
I wish they would bring more of them back in BG2 and give them same treatment as Jaheira, Viconia, they seemed interesting and I missed them.
It would feel pretty weird if all 30 companions just happen to all find themselves in a seperate country just in time to meet back up.
They chose 5 and a decent selection i think and made some cool new characters too to go along with it. If i had to choose though i would have love to see xan, the game could have used another pure mage too
>It would feel pretty weird if all 30 companions just happen to all find themselves in a seperate country just in time to meet back up.
Not really, it's a video game. It would be weird if all of them would be in Copper Coronet at the same time though. BG2 had less locations to spread them across the world evenly like in the first game.
Contrivancies? In an rpg?
My word call the police!
>let's make a first game. It will be an introduction to the saga about the race and conflict between the Bhaal spawns
>let's make an ending teasing about what is to come
>but now let's make a giant sequel about the unrelated filler plot
>now that we wasted whole main game on a side adventure let's end the first game plot in a rushed as frick expansion
I love Baldur's Gate 2, but what was the plan here exactly storywise?
He's called John Ironicus because you enjoy the filler plot ironically
Do you wanted Naruto to beat Madara in first season?
I wanted Naruto to stay a show about ninjas instead of stands and wizard powers
I also wanted Naruto to bag Tsunade, but that wasn't gonna happen
>wizard powers
Isn't Naruto's signature move from day one a fricking busted mirror image?
Nta but yeah naruto had always been about its bullshit magic powers. idk how anyone convinced themselves otherwise. By the 3rd arc there summoning kaiju monsters.
Honestly if instead of the hand signs they spoke incantations it really wouldn’t look that different from a normal magic system
>Honestly if instead of the hand signs they spoke incantations
They do both. A lot of stuff in Naruto uses VSM now that I think about it.
Hell they even use chakra energy thats magic monk energy , i just liked kakashi cause Naruto copypasted characters from tenchu
it's more like a mass simulacrum with less hp
a forbidden art that he learned by pure chance, meanwhile in later seasons they just nuke entire maps, the series has ridiculous power creep
>also wanted Naruto to bag Tsunade, but that wasn't gonna happen
Dan had the right plan, frick Tsunade and the die before the series got stupid.
Yeah. The thing is that the west only knew of the ninja shit of low level that got here in the 80s ninja craze, but in Japan, ninja have been full of magic bullshit since the 18th hundreds. Og Jiraiya would kill dudes with a sword run to a bridge, then turn the bridge into a giant toad to eat the guys pursuing him. Magic out of their asses
Let me get you homies some of the shit the og Jiraiya got up to
>Jiraiya then begins his plan, first by robbing betrothal gifts for Ishido Haruchika's daughter, Tamahitohime, which leads to the death of Nagisa. After sneaking into the Nitsuki House, Jiraiya summons a tsunami to kill all of the servants in order for his troops to pose as them and sneak into the Ishido residence.
>Since Jiraiya is wanted by the government, he became a pirate and started plundering commercial ships, until one night at sea the ghost of his former lord, Miyoshi Nagashige asks him to take revenge on the Ishido family, more specifically Ishido Haruchika
>He is answered by a goddess who appears before him and gives him the Stone Conch, otherwise known as the "Ishihara" (石螺), which holds the power to negate magic arts and repel evil.[1]
>Madeno uses the Stone Conch that was given to him by Benzaiten to negate Jiraiya's magic arts. Jiraiya finally realizes that his death is at hand as he lived a sinful life and this is his justice so, before anyone can kill him, he commits suicide and turns to stone
Jiraiya the ninja was a straught up kensai/mage build in the book
I don't remember where I heard this:
The series was originally going to be about "battle wizards" but the producers mentioned it was too unusual a concept that would be off-putting and needed to be tied to a more common theme instead. So from the start the series was suppose to be about monks who could do all the schools of magic.
Bg2 is more important to the bhaalspawn saga than 1 is though? It explains why your in hell in tob, and explores bhaalspawn heritage far far far far more than 1 which it really didn’t matter.
Honestly with a bit of rewriting that your just some random guy and ireincus reveals your a bhaalspawn in the prologue and thats why he has you in captivity and you can delete bg1 from history and the story in 2/tob still makes sense
I think it was intended to be a middle chapter but instead of 3, they made NWN or KOTOR or some shit and we got ToB instead.
they were inspired by planescape torment and lost interest in the original plot
but enough about mass effect
> Choose your colors
> Like tentacles or space chinks? Romance? GET KARLACH KEK
I don't remember Dynahier even being called attention to much by BG2 itself. It's like they outright assumed you never had any attachment to her anyway.
She was a pretty subpar wizard in BG1. First meet her she's frickmeat for Gnolls. Aside for that, really don't remember much besides "she was a witch" and "Minsc was her bodyguard" and they were doing their barbarian people quest together.
Only Minsc brings her up in BG2 at the beginning of the game and when he chooses Aerie for his new witch to bodyguard.
>gods of death all plot excessively to resurrect themselves in the event of dying
>they just come back anyway even if all their plans get shot to hell
laughs in Myrkul
heroes ain't shit compared to plot convenience
>laughs in x
Die normie
They're barely demigods now. A level 20 party could beat one.
Myrkul outright says in "Mask of the Betrayer" that he'll be back, so no surprise there.
ok I'm really loving bg3 (in chapter 1 now), and nwn2 and nwn2 mask of th ebetrayer dont hold a candle to the polisha nd gameplay that you have in games like bg2 or bg3... buuuuuuhuuuut
I really dug the plot of MOTB. It's dark, it's a deeply cynical take on christianity and tithes, and I still want to replay it as a pure evil with that black void that can absorb your party members. I have no clue how to do this though, as I dont know how a 2 man party will ever function on highest difficulty.
Some kind of cleric is probably your best bet or a favoured soul. The pre-buffing will get old really fast though.
Are these still worth playing? I never did back in the day and I just beat BG3.
Yes, play Planescape Torment while you're at it.
updated my journal
Thanks bros.
Yeah, but also don't forget Planescape since you are already on the mood for this kind of games
I played 1 and now I'm playing 2 and while there have been frustrating moments, I'm immersed and enjoying them greatly. It's fun figuring out the best way to take on specific encounters.
Anyone played these games on steam deck?
Me.
yes, i b***hed like a little baby because khalid was my favorite character
>Baldur's Gate 2: Throne of Bhaal
What went wrong?
Nothing, it wrapped up the story of the Bhaalspawn with a satisfying ending.
I got a bunch of amazing epic level abilities and fun OP gear and fricked up everything that got in my path and had a bliggity BLAST while doing it that's what the frick went wrong anon best check yourself son
RTWP is such an irredeemably moronic combat style. When the entire system is built upon you going into a combat encounter, dying, reading the combat log for the reason(s) why you died, reloading and then pre-buffing based on what you read from the combat log to avoid getting instagibbed again, you have a pretty shitty system. Stuff like shooting fireballs into the fog war and pre-buffing are garbage. God forbid you try to cast spells mid-combat, when each spell takes like 10 seconds to cast holy shit what an idiotic system.
No wonder RTwP lost.
>going into a combat encounter, dying, reading the combat log for the reason(s) why you died, reloading
not-sending-your-thief-or-ranger-to-scout-ahead-while-hiding-in-shadows issue
>then pre-buffing based on what you read from the combat log to avoid getting instagibbed
AD&D-and-spell-slot-only-refilled-per-rest issue
>Stuff like shooting fireballs into the fog war and pre-buffing are garbage
encounter design issue
> not-sending-your-thief-or-ranger-to-scout-ahead-while-hiding-in-shadows
Just use invisibility spell.
>not-sending-your-thief-or-ranger-to-scout-ahead-while-hiding-in-shadows issue
You didn't do that. Nobody did. Because you essentially had to tip-toe the entire game otherwise the second you get spotted by the enemy death mob they instantly buff and blow you to bits.
It's just DM fiat to keep the game rolling so not really. Anyone can die, get captured or worse in an ambush.
What were they thinking?
It's a bummer how terrible his class is.
where tf do you get the originals and no i'm not giving beamdog money
Pirate them.
Yo hoho and a bottle of run, my homie
Get someone who has them on GoG to give you the offline installers, they've been free on GoG tons of times.
yea just checked gog-games. is the gibberlings the only mods i'd need?
You don’t need any mods. The gog version should come with the final patch. Retail versions / original ISOs may need the final bioware patch. The games are honestly fine as-is.
You can buy them at walmart online or on ebay etc. They’re still making them on DVD.
>picrel
>t. bought BG1, BG2, TOB on DVD for $10 since I lost my discs.
Yep, I bought this too, via amazon. Was super cheap and was my first major purchase as a kid.
>somehow
there's an entire game about how you get capture it's called "tales of the sword coast" and it's the expansion to baldur's gate?
How do fans respond to the criticism that these games aren't very "tactical?"
Someone said that to me, and my response was just that not every game needs to be xcom, and BG is more fun to play because of how seat-of-tge-pants it is.
>How do fans respond to the criticism that these games aren't very "tactical?"
I don't care.
Were they sold as strategy games? Rpgs aren't usually a tactics heavy genre, they weren't at the time either. Fallout 1 and 2 most important tactical consideration was how to diminish the friendly fire from your moron companions
So stupid to make a random mage the antagonist when anti-magic is canon. Elminster, being the Mary-Sue he is, has a specific way of dealing with it bestowed to him by Mystra. Realistically, Irenicus would get immediately get hunted down by wizard slayers since he's a total loner in the game.
Teleportation is also canon. Wizard slayers would logically kill low level wizards and spent their entire lives chasing mid to high level dudes that just bounce once they get there
It's even dumber he goes to a Drow city, where back then all Drow had a massive resistance to magic, which they could easily boost.
>D&D fosters horny culture for decades with moronic in-jokes over bards and warlocks fricking everything with a pulse and most things without one
>D&D-styled game comes out
>It features situations where the character can frick everything with a pulse and most things without one
>This is, for some reason, an outrage
Cuckservative larpers have been a disaster for arts for decades now.
I was genuinely surprised there wasn't a horny bard companion from day one
I'm amazed they didn't even go for the obvious "bard character is incredibly chaste and rebuffs the players advances at every turn" gag as a stupid subversion.
they were close, but she didnt make it in as a companion
I'm not criticizing that there's sex in the game, I'm critical of the fact that there's no character dynamics beyond the sex.
There's no friendship route with Gale. If you respond positively throughout his questline, he WILL suck you into a smut scene. The only way to avoid it is to be a complete c**t to him and repeatedly say you don't give a shit about his problems. Same thing with Wyll and Halsin, apparently if you're not sexually interested in men, that means you don't want to associate with them at all.
They seemingly got it right with all of the female characters, save for a situation with Karlach where she immediately wants to frick because she touched you after you fixed her infernal engine. The smut route with Lae'zel is plainly-worded, there's no bait and switch where you think you're getting a character-building scene only for her to suddenly jump your dick. Shadowheart doesn't even entertain the notion of sex unless you've directly initiated a relationship with her in a plainly-worded fashion.
It's just fricking bizarre. I've played actual H-games and WEGs that make you work harder and wait longer than what it takes to get into a sex scene with Gale.
>There's no friendship route with Gale. If you respond positively throughout his questline, he WILL suck you into a smut scene. The only way to avoid it is to be a complete c**t to him and repeatedly say you don't give a shit about his problems.
that's just how most male characters work IRL
Are you a woman?
>save for a situation with Karlach where she immediately wants to frick because she touched you after you fixed her infernal engine
she's is excused, after all she hasn't had sex for like 10 years
critical role is not D&D you moronic secondary
Horny bard jokes are older than Critical Role.
Because the jokes stop being funny when they actually become canonized. They ruined it.
Yeah, it's why no one makes parodies anymore. What the frick are you gonna parody when everything already makes fun of itself and it's tongue in cheek?
the author's inserts being horny was cringe and it's cringe when they make everyone else horny and pretend it's good
>Play SoU
>Ask the blacksmith to show me her goods
>Jokingly asks if I'm asking her to break out her massive milkers because she's easygoing like that
Today this would be
>Walk into the forge
>Blacksmith mentions she has fat breasts and grabs me by the wiener
>Trade menu opens
no it would be
>blacksmith yells at stupid white male assistant
>yells at player because boss girl power trip
>refuses to trade with you until you agree she can peg you in front of your party
>everyone in town claps
>trade menu opens
Don't forget the assistant has a fully animated sex scene where all you see is a bit of flaccid wiener because you confronted the blacksmith lady, thereby tripping the "I'm a giant fricking homo" flag against all reason
SoU?
shadows of undrentide
Thanks.
The game is more like those coomer DM horror stories rather than "I role to seduce the dragon" jokes
>It features situations where the character can frick everything with a pulse and most things without one
You can frick one companion per playthrough and the Emperor, thats not particularly horny by modern RPG standards
Companions in BG1 had barely any personality
Khalid dying meant frick all, they did it just so that Jaheira could be romanceable
Did anyone even care about BG1's story? Like, it wasn't bad, but it was kinda bland.
>second rate wizard
>level 29
Dude is probably one of the most powerful people in the world
I do not understand the BG2 combat at all. It’s set up like turn based combat but it’s not turn based. How the frick are you supposed to target enemies, move your mouse to the menus to select an attack, and then attack them before you get raped by the enemy?
Yes, you can pause btw. Welcome to RTwP.
Turn on "pause on enemy sighted" and then pause and issue commands when needed. It's a cope combat system that makes mages tiring to use compared to turn based
press space to pause you tard
or just don't be slow
>and then attack them before you get raped by the enemy?
Yes, also beware of friendly damage, thats why throwing spells through the fog of war its the best way to deal with everything in these games
Why does RTwP filter zoomers so much?
rtwp sucks ass, the only upside to rtwp over tb combat is that you can get through shitty boring fights faster
obviously the better solution is to just not design shitty boring fights
Found the filtered zoomer
i accept your concession
Oooh, look at the zoomer googling big words
Instead we got a game with barely any fights
lmao
their ADHD brains can't keep up. with turn based you can look at your phone in between making moves and watch a movie or youtube.
what is this moronic self own?
someone with adhd would much prefer real time combat to turn based constantly taking control away from them
Irenicus was level 30 that's 10 levels higher than 5e mages go
not going to explain anything or read this thread
just gonna call you a moron
how does a thief/mage even play in bg1?
in my head im imagining a normal thief character that just also uses some supporting magic but cant they still not cast with armor on
anyone?
Elven chainmail is the only way to csst in armor
yea so do thief/mages just not wear armor and if they dont wear armor then should they not be in melee?
bg1/2 not 5e
EE or non troony version ?
ee
Thief/mages should be hanging back with a bow and slinging spells unless you are backstabbing. When you have to go into melee, use magic buffs for defense (invisiblity for backstab, mirror image, stoneskin, etc) which can make you really tanky, and between Bracers of Defense and a good DEX you should have decent AC, no need to wear armor. Later on in BG2 you can do some cool tricks, like chain-backstabbing with Mislead.
hmm ok so its more like a mage whos slightly more competent in physical combat + the thief skills rather than an arcane trickster thief for example
I'm more familiar with dual class thief/mage which is basically just a mage + being able to use thief weapons like bows and swords, plus backstabbing and whatever thief skills you specced them in. Multi-Class would have slower mage progression, but you would also get to play around with high level thief toys like Use Any Item, traps, etc.
why play thief mage if you have arcane trickster ?
Also in 5E any class can wear any armor if they have the feat
I know it's BG3 but why does Jaheira have a half orc son in BG3?
Because I played half-orc in BG2 and since I am the main character of Warth they put my son in the sequel.
oh nononono
That's what multiple playthroughs are for!
That and because I was a broke ass kid who couldn't afford many games so had to repeat shit. Also, fighter/illusionist gnome is hilarious and good
Can you get Aerie pregnant as a gnome or is that for the other races only.
He’s adopted. Why she did, I’m not sure. I’ve yet to find out.
What about the half elf daughter? Also adopted?
So a half orc and a half elf make a half orc?
Or a half elf. Toss a coin. That's how she got a half elf girl and a half orc boy.
Yes, she’s also adopted.
It is so easy to tell when someone has never actually played the game.
He's a fricking elven archmage. Elminster tier level of power.
I'm genuinly surprised they didn't put Drizzt in this game, I wanted his gear.
>I'm genuinly surprised they didn't put Drizzt in this game
uhhhh
anon?
He's in the game? Where?
Oh wait, I'm moronic. I thought I'm in BG3 thread.
I'm curious if bg3 would have carried on the tradition of having to deal with a bunch of bullshit for taking his stuff, bg1 he was just a pain in the ass, bg2 you get hit with the no fun allowed bat, maybe bg3 would have deleted your saves
Drizzt is in Baldur's Gate one at the Fisherman Lake
How many of you beat Sarevok in BG3 he's level 16 and has his old crew raised from the dead, I barely survived the fight with a last minute wall of fire hail mary.
It was actually quite easy with my thief/fighter, just use crawler mucus and stab stab
When you stop to think about it, aren't all mamals ball spawn?
Bhaal may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy.
I liked Khalid. His dialogues with Jaheria were fun. They'd always tell funny stories, like that time they found a belt of gender change. Khalid was my bro and I didn't have the heart to frick his wife in BG2.
you sound like the type of guy who would jerk off in a corner while you were KEKHOLDED by a gorilla plowing your girlfriend
ARE THERE ANY OTHER BHAALSPAWN I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?
CHARNAME
Imoen
5 great Bhaalspawns from Throne of Bhaal+Amelyssan who manipulated them
Sarevok
The guy that canonically kills (or gets killed by) CHARNAME and ends up reviving Bhaal
Dark Urge from BG3
Orin from BG3
Whichever is best for tax purposes
bg1 and 2 have bad graphics and look like shit, bg3 is an artistic masterpiece. It's really simple
mod kit when
remakes when
>Able to kill an adult
>Kids are able to shoot you to death with a gun in their hand
Were people b***hing about this?
How it's unfair and impossible?
No? Good.
no one grew attached to characters back then
>second rate wizard
homie he like level 30.
>second rate wizard
This thread almost has 500 replies but I hope many people called your moronic ass out, Irenicus is fricking broken moron, second rate my ass