They really mishandled the frick out of FE. It's inevitably getting even more too, so at least they should add more characters to other legacy IPs.
Can this even be fixed in the next Smash?
They really mishandled the frick out of FE. It's inevitably getting even more too, so at least they should add more characters to other legacy IPs.
I haven't played any FE games but I have an idea on how to fix this if the next Smash is a reboot.
>FE character named Lord
>Marth, Roy, Lucina, and Chrom merged into one character with a single moveset and different alts like Hero
>rest of the FE characters stay
That's a fricking shit idea.
That just artificially lowers the amount of FE characters.
And the name is stupid.
Only about as stupid as "Hero."
That was stupid as well.
This. Anon's suggestion was moronic. Keeping the characters but removing their movesets and their slots is the dumbest way you can go about it. Also Roy without the fire is blasphemy.
>Also Roy without the fire is blasphemy.
Doesn't he only have thay sword for like 3 chapters? For the most part, he's just a Marth Clone with no flashy shit in his game.
Why would they remove the fire when nearly all smash players associate Roy with fire?
Well im just saying calling it blasphemy is silly when it isnt even really inaccurate to the source material.
Marth only has Falcion for 2 chapters in the first game, and only the last chapter in Book 2.
Nah Binding Blade does tend to be notably fire-y. Ironic they made Roy's sword worse in range when Binding Blade's range attack is literally slashing with fire.
He doesn't even promote without it. Hell, his promoted lord class DEMOTES upon using up all the Binding Blade uses. Many FE6 players don't even use him for anything involving the meta.
Roy was very lucky to be in Melee ahead of his own game, should’ve been Leif instead
>That just artificially lowers the amount of FE characters.
Good.
This will never ever happen. Sakurai clearly hates doing this. He'll only put in a character if he can at least change something about them. Hero happened because the hero is you and has no name usually. They also could all realistically have the same moveset.
Hero’s alts all have names in the Japanese version.
False, he is called Yūsha.
For the absolute irreparable damage that this series has done to the TRPG genre over the past 10-15 years FE deserves nothing but a slow and painful death.
The last FE game sold under expectations didn't it?
>The last FE game sold under expectations didn't it?
No idea, and if anyone else disputes it, they're either speculating or lying.
The V Tuber desgins held it back.
Fire emblem is unironicly the best srpg
Three Houses > FFT/TO
Triangle Strategy > all
Based. Really though, I’m tired of people wanking FFT. That game has a good story and decent gameplay. fates conquest, engage, Triangle strategy and tactics ogre dunk on it in gameplay
Doesn’t matter Auntie Nell, Advance Wars is better than all of those COMBINED
So good it killed the franchise a second time lmao
Maybe it would have sold a little better if it wasn't delayed for a whole year because of muh Russia, still would've flopped though
>Three Houses
Yikes at least pick a good fe like conquest
What "damage" has Fire Emblem done? Every SRPG except it was dead during that time anyway and you can argue shit like the Tactics Ogre port and Triangle Strategy only happened because FE proved that there's still an audience for the genre.
>For the absolute irreparable damage that this series has done to the TRPG genre
There probably wouldn't even be a TRPG genre without Fire Emblem you fricking moron
Why do these types of gays always show up in threads discussing FE rep in Smash Bros? Smash fans at least have an understandable reason as to why they hate Fire Emblem, these gays just make shit up so they can be mad. Yeah bro, I'm sure Fire Emblem is the reason Tactics Ogre hasn't gotten a proper new entry in two decades, and Breath of Fire is way more popular than FE and also deserves more characters in Smash Bros. FEgays know you're full of shit, and Smashgays don't care about you.
It isn't the series as a whole that did this, it's that they turned it into a weeaboo waifu simulator around the time of Awakening. When they first started bringing the games over here on GBA they were great.
Take your head out of your ass for 1 second and think logically
Limit one character per class.
>Smashgay makes pic related in an attempt to dunk on SF6
>Backfires when people start mocking the amount of FE characters
kek
Only american israelites hate the FE characters.
Probably unrelated but SF6's small roster is one of its biggest flaws, so I understand why that guy made that image.
That said, fighting games usually don't need big rosters, around 20 to 30 characters is fine depending if it's 2d, 3d or tag, but casual games like smash need way bigger rosters.
>but casual games like smash need way bigger rosters.
I honestly believe Ultimate has hindered the platform fighting genre by setting up unrealistic expectations for just how big platform fighter rosters should be, especially for first timers.
Just look at NASB. It has a roster of over 20 characters but the devs were so focused on just how many characters they can shove into the game that they didn't stop to think if they're biting off more than they can chew.
This lead to the devs having to work on 22 character at the same time within a year causing movesets to feel homogenized.
>Japanese "character" design.
fricking christ it's the same anime face. This is the shit you gays keep saying is soo much better than western designs? These people even go to art school? Just slap the same face on every model, just alter the hair color a bit. It's the occasional ugly b***h vs the same underage girl anime chick you weebs love... every single game every single character.
Literally none of them have the same face
Every Japanese person looks the same so it's not surprising that the characters they draw all look the same too.
Here’s a better meme of this targeted specifically towards FE
>Innes
More like a grey-green, and he's a sniper
>Geoffrey
Eirika-tier color, but he's army fodder and generally irrelevant
>Lucia
Not a lord
"thread slots" don't fricking exist you morons.
Irrelevant to people fed up with FE getting all this shit
>Can this even be fixed
I'm not seeing a problem to be fixed
Alears getting added next game
Alear is going to get skipped over because there will be a new FE to shill by the time Smash 6 comes out
I doubt it
I don't. They always skip one or two of the FE protags. Only the newest hotness gets in.
>They
>It's inevitably getting even more too
By saying they are you implying Nintendo?
IF Smash 6 isn't made by Sakurai we won't get a new forced FE rep, Nintendo does not give a shit about FE.
But unfortunately the next game will for sure be made by Sakurai, he loves shilling the games he likes through smash, just look at him with his homosexual smile when he announced the last FE guy.
Smash 6 will likely come out in 2 or 3 years once the Switch 2: Electric Boogaloo has had one or two years on the market, and by then there will be either a new FE announced, or a fresh FE, so yeah there will be another blue haired sword guy.
Keep it at 3, Marth, Ike, and Robin. If Splatoon gets 1, then 3 is way too generous for FE.
>Keep it at 3, Marth, Ike, and Robin
Ike's moveset isn't even an FE moveset, it is a "Heavy Swordsman" moveset with an FE skin applied.
Byleth actually represents the weapon triangle and has a more interesting moveset.
Corrin represents FEs most noteworthy group of magical beings(Manaketes) and also has a more unique moveset. Though you can of course debate if Corrin represents Manaketes well.
Ike really should not get the nod just because of popularity.
Ike is a staple of Smash at this point. He's been in every base roster since 2008. Never was cut, never was DLC. Lose the new characters they're newer they'll be missed less.
Based. Won't buy if she's not in, considering half my mains are looking to be cut by next game anyways.
why do people keep thinking they're going to take a huge axe to the roster, this isn't street fighter
Sakurai himself said that "Everyone is Here!" is a one time thing.
Honestly the characters most likely to get cut are the third parties due to obvious rights issues, with the most likely being cut are the Square Enix and Konami characters.
This is true, but historically Smash games have only had a small amount of cuts per game, I don't expect more than maybe a few notable losses, and even then I can easily see characters like Sephiroth and Kazuya repackaged as DLC slightly cheaper than a normal Challenger Pack.
Also I doubt Konami will be as uncooperative as some think, at least on the Castlevania end of things, they gave us a Goemon DLC outfit for frick's sake
I guess it's just a normal thing people do to expect the worst so they'd be happy when the worst doesn't happen.
Since we had the 5 cut Melee characters and the 6 from Brawl return, honestly some of them (Mewtwo, Snake?, Pokemon Trainer?, Wolf) will totally return, the rest I don't see likely, then there'd be the obvious third party cuts.
Squeenix will for sure be Black folk and cut Cloud, Hero, Sephiroth, AND SPECIALLY Sora (Squeenix + Didney is the most israelite combo) every other third party is in relatively good terms with Nintendo so honestly it isn't as doom and gloom as most make it seem to be.
I expect maybe some Sm4sh and Ultimate cuts, either Lucario or Greninja, Corin, Piranha plant, and Min min and maybe Incineroar might get cut.
I live in Metroid dread that my boy has his lanky neck on the chopping block. There shouldn't be any legit reason to cut him, but the fear is very real.
Ridley is too big of a character to be cut, probably tied with K.Rool and Simon as the best base game newcommers, even then despite most of the DLC being overhyped third party shill picks, outside of maybe Hero, Banjo, Steve and Sora, nobody really is on the same level of those three base game newcommers, don't think he'd get cut.
Wish he got a bit of a rework, he looks ridiculous in Smash and I do love to use it, Ridley and maybe someone like Bowser and K.Rool could have an extra character type for extra large characters, Ridley could use being like 1.5 his size otherwise he makes no sense next to Samus.
Clones and unpopular characters are sensible opinions for cuts, the only real character people missed from the Melee cuts was Mewtwo, and from Brawl was Snake, Pokemon Trainer, Ice Climbers, Wolf, and Lucas.
Even the cuts made sense, Lucario was similar to Mewtwo so work on Brawl Mewtwo was stopped, Snake was a third party, PT and the ICs due to the 3DS, and the other two were just clones.
Redundant characters like one of the random post gen-1 starters which are similarish to Mewtwo for some reason, the 20 FE sword guys, and Piranha plant at the very least are just very obvious cuts for a smaller roster, and for Piranha plant being unique, be honest what was the last time you ever saw someone use him? At the very least other niche characters like WFT and DH have both unique playstyles and come from their own game series.
Hate to say this, but with the whole Waluigi thing going, and SMRPG remake, those two guys might have a chance on the next Smash game to add a proper new Mario rep.
>Ridley could use being like 1.5 his size otherwise he makes no sense next to Samus.
the taunt that's literally just him standing up is there for a reason. it shows he's still huge but slouched so he's at a reasonable size for a fighter.
Thing is he is nearly three times the size of Samus while slouching in every game he is in outside of the very first one, a standing Ridley probably is around 5 times taller than Samus that is already a big woman being 6'3".
That's why I am saying Ridley, and maybe some other extra large characters could have their own kind of character type, kind of when they have huge mecha like characters in some fighting games or Neko arc in Melty for a moronic tiny character.
Yeah a new Smash game is set to release for sure in 2 or 3 years, with how fricking hard they suddenly dropped Ultimate, even Sm4sh had some updates for longer than Ultimate did, it's moronic that there was no patches post Sora and its no wonder every Smash game dies the second a new one comes out, it might even be a legit design idea that Sakurai has.
I remember back in the Smash 4 days when many expected Toon Link, Lucario, Ike, and R.O.B. to be cut only for them to be wrong. It is hard to predict cuts because even if there are obvious choices, Sakurai has his own reasons for keeping certain characters.
Generally characters aren't cut immediately on a project plan, and are instead excluded if they're too low priority when it comes to implementing them before the game goes gold. Data in Brawl mentioning Mewtwo, Dr. Mario and Roy, along with Ice Climbers being explicitly mentioned as being planned for SSB4, is evidence of this.
When it comes to which characters may not make it next time, it comes down to two things--A, if the character is likely to be a low priority for porting over to the next game, and for third-parties, B, if the company owning them co-operates or not. For the former, it all depends on how much of a leap it will be from Ultimate to the next game--if it's on a similar engine or framework again like the jump from 4 to Ultimate, expect most of the cast to return, bar the absolute bottom priority picks.
If I had to wager, I'd say a worst case scenario for a "normal" sequel after Ultimate would probably have a cut count around the 7 to 11 range when it comes to unique fighters.
People suggesting the likes of ROB or Game & Watch to be cut never made sense to me. Yes let's go out of our way to cut some of the most unique characters in the roster.
I love playing as those two so I hope they don't get cut.
Disney didn't have any pushback for Sora. It was Nomura that held up the process kek.
Hero will probably be the easiest Square Enix rep to retain, more music would have to depend on whether israelitegiyama's estate is more lenient than him however.
Sonic is a staple. I can’t imagine Banjo leaving. Steve I have no idea.
Only safe guest imo are Sonic and Pac-Man.
Konami is up in the air.
Ryu is likely and I think we'll get a new Mega if he returns.
>New Mega
Lol at that shit. None of them can take over the moveset and all of them are considered completely separate characters.
X probably has enough weapon grabs from over the years to sprite swap out with Rock and tweak the properties. Any too complicated could just be swapped from 4's custom move list.
X is not classic. That's a brand new character. He'd have to wall slide, he'd be taller and heavier and be animated differently. Why are you so convinced they'd replace classic anyways?
Because rotating Mega is an easy way to claim new chars with little work. Subbing him in would be as complicated as Marth to Ike or Link to Y. Link.
Subbing him is not worth it. He's the most universal iteration and the original. Plus he's done, your idea is needless and achieves nothing.
When will you fricks realize that Mai cannot be Mai without the outfit. Her entire shtick is being sexy to distract opponents. You can't just slap the black censorship spats on every character and have it work out.
Terry is SO safe I'm betting we get another SNK character on top.
I will be surprised. But if we do, I hope its a M. Slug one.
Real prize is everyone getting a mechanical remake and being on par with him.
>Ralf or Clark as a triple rep of Ikari Warriors, Metal Slug, and KoF.
>Punching fast enough to explode the air or just aerial back breakers
Yep. Gaming. Kino if they joined as echoes as an excuse to have em both
I hope…
No excuses now that XB2 bawds are already in
Sakurai said as such. The rights aren't eternal, and the games going to have a nerfed roster. Hopefully Kirby or Pokémon get the favoritism instead of Fire Emblem trash next time.
That's only a problem for third parties.
And Pokemon isn't exactly getting screwed on characters.
holy shit they turned gundam into a FE character
Could actually be a really fun character with the Engage mechanic but you just know Sakurai is gonna frick it up somehow
I can’t think of a worse design
I can think of several
I will deadass accept Alear if the character manages to condense every current FE character into their moveset, but let’s be honest with ourselves Sakurai will find a way to frick up in some way
Alear would effectively be 12 or 13 characters into one slot if implemented correctly. That is both too much work for the devs and too complex to play for Smash players. It would be Min-Min, Shulk, Pyra/Mythra, Hero and Pokémon Trainer combined into one entity.
God, she is hot. I wish I was a 13 y/o virgin so I could still fap to this. Now it might give me an erection but as soon as I start jerking off I lose interest because its a fricking cartoon. How should I fantasize about it? Imagine myself as a toon or turning her into 3D? Can't go for a rogger rabbit deal because my fantasies are always in POV so it doesnt work
You'll get the Engage protagonist and you'll rike it.
>Get rid of tipper and make both Marth and Lucina the exact same, just a costume swap.
>Hector
>Nu-Emblem Character
There you go, it's perfect.
How did it get this fricking bad? I remember thinking that 4 seemed really generous when both Robin and Lucina got revealed together.
When Nintendo and Sakurai decided it was a good idea to shill the next Fire Emblem game during Smash 4 DLC cycle. The fact that Smash went from having 2 FE reps in Brawl to 6 in Smash 4 really shows how things got out of hand.
It was such a mistake bringing Roy to Smash 4's DLC over Wolf.
Fire emblem is always the exception to the rule and always shilled and that’s how it got this bad. Which series should get a newcomer and a clone? Robin and Lucina. Who amongst the cut characters should return as DLC? Roy. We just had the smash ballot but instead let’s ignore adding a character people voted for and make sure to shill a character from the yet to be released new fire emblem game. Corrin. We’re not going to add many echo fighter characters but fire emblem really needs to get one. Chrom. First fighters pass has been entirely their party characters and everyone expects it will end on a high note. Byleth. For how often most first party series get ignored and we miss out on characters like Waluigi, Dixie Kong, Waddle Dee, Any new Zelda character etc… We instead, at every conceivable opportunity, get more Fire Emblem.
>Waluigi, Dixie Kong, Waddle Dee,
It's always people with the shittiest taste complaining about fire emblem characters
>It's always people with the shittiest taste saying actually good picks are somehow bad unlike fire emblem characters
FTFY
At least go with somthing interesting like chili robo or saki
I think waluigi, dixie kong, and waddle dee could be plenty interesting
Dixie is basically a diddy clone the same thing people cry about fe for, bandanna dee would also basically be a fe character I guess waluigi could maybe be interesting I don't really care either way I just hate that people always go for the most boring vanilla picks like do you even want those characters? Or do you just bring em up because you think they would be safe picks
Damn straight. You could have the exact same number of FE characters as we do now BUT if other franchises saw an equal level of disproportionate love everyone would be happy.
>How did it get this fricking bad?
Because Sakurai doesn't decide the roster on sales data and FE (and Pokemon) are the only series who are both old enough and have 'we must have the protag' rule to pick up so many characters.
>Because Sakurai doesn't decide the roster on sales data
Good, I'd rather have 8 Fire Emblem characters than 8 Animal Crossing characters
No but Corrin and Byleth were chosen to be advertisements for their respective FE games. Both were even decided upon before their games even released.
The same with Pokemon, he just saves a space for a Pokemon and just picks out of what he's given.
Sometimes he ends up picking the most popular starter (Greninja) and sometimes it's more split (Incineroar).
Like 90% of all Smash inclusions are shill picks.
That doesn't make it right.
Removing Roy, Chrom and Corrin would be enough in my opinion. Keep the cap for FE characters around 5-6, give or take the possibility of a future game eclipsing Three Houses in popularity and putting Byleth's future on thin ice.
>Corrin
I get people don’t like Corrin, but I never understand how removing one of the FE characters with a more unique moveset can be seen as a good thing.
When it comes to crossovers it's the actual characters that matter more than the movesets.
Not according to Sakurai. He has always said that moveset potential plays a huge role when choosing characters. That's probably part of the reason why there are so many FE characters to begin with.
Which is why half of them have the same moves and all but 2 the same down B, got it
The Marth family exists largely because roy and lucina were not originally intended to exist in the same game. Don't act like echoes count as full character slots, thats disengenious. All the FE fighters outside the marth family have a very unique playstyle.
The reason they all have counters is because counter attacks play a huge role in FE games so it's a bit of a shoe-in. One shared move does not mean the characters play similar at all.
The thing is that FE specifically has done Marth 4 times that even as echoes its tiring and that's not taking into account the major issue behind all this; that FE alone is getting this kinda privileged treatment in the face of other franchises with as good a claim to it or much better getting squat. That's really the core problem. Exemplified by how Chrom received much less backlash in Ultimate's base roster because the likes of DK and Metroid were (finally, in their case) eating too
People who are mad about echoes are morons. They DO NOT "take up a character slot". Its not "privileged treatment", it's just easy candidates for echoes. If you get assmad for just seeing a skin appear as a separate character on the CSS you are just a dumb frick who can't read between the lines.
Oh great another lame Down B Counter Argument…
Corrin should absolutely be kept over Lucina. If popularity is enough to keep her in, then Roy stays too.
feature not a bug, expect half the roster to be FE
At least Robin is a spellsword. Marth, Roy, Ike, Lucina, and Chrom, may as well be one character. Corrin is whatever. Blyeth should be cast back to the pits of hell where they belong.
Cut Roy, Lucina, Chrom, and maybe Byleth and/or Corrin.
Add literally a single non-lord/MC or at the VERY LEAST someone like Hector who isn't a typical generic sword boy or fricking Sigurd who'd have a mount that could do SOMETHING new.
>Next Smash game
>Every FE character returns
>Four new FE newcomers
>Alear from Engage
>Itsuki from Tokyo Mirage Sessions
>FE Heroes character (Never played the game so i wouldn't know)
>Protag from future FE game
How would you react?
As a big FE fan, my biggest issue is that there are THREE (3) Awakening characters.
If they reboot the roster I'd pick
>Marth
>Roy
>Ike
>Robin, with Chrom (semi-echo) as a duo like Aegis
>Veronica
>Newest FE rep
And keep it at that.
The Awakening cast wouldn't be a big issue if Roy and Corrin weren't around to bloat things And if Chrom had been an Ike clone instead
>Smash
Who cares?
Awakening isn't the issue. It's the lords with the ridiculously similar moveset and feel, and the just outright clones.
Make a more unique roster of them. FE has cool characters that look nothing like the lords. Keep Marth Ike and Byleth due to popularity
Add e-girl Tiki/Myrrh for the cute factor and actual dragon flying around. Add Black Knight for a proper unique armored character and antagonist.
>Bylshit
>Popularity
>Keep
Marth, Ike, Robin, Byleth. Roy can stay if they further differentiate him and Marth.
>Newcomers
Anna or Tiki make sense for an "evergreen" FE rep. Keep it to one, whoever it is.
>Echoes
Are whatever.
>Anna or Tiki make sense for an "evergreen" FE rep
Tiki is the best choice as Manaketes are a mainstay of the series and she is "The Manakete". That being said, it should be the version from Marth's games, not the Awakening version that has gotten top billing in Smash so far.
Considering this comment is now outdated, and possibly will be made even more outdated as star allies is on track to be the 2nd best selling title in the franchise, I do hope smash changes kirby’s rep to be not so biased toward the sakurai made titles
To be fair, Dedede and Meta Knight are prominent in future games as well. Even as a big fan of newer titles, I still think Gooey would be a great rep for Kirby especially after playing Star Allies.
Three Houses as a whole you gormless brained twit.
Yet Bylshit specifically is a disliked and unpopular character.
>Dumbass acting like he knows FE yet proves how little he knows
Every time.
Disliked in smash, but smashgays like you are a joy to watch get pissy over any roster inclusion. Also can you at least make a better insulting name that Bylshit? It sounds moronic like Pythra or Yink. You green text like a pleb and can't tell who is actually an FEgay or no. Lurk more.
As an FEgay, I can confirm that nobody cares about that blank slate of an MC outside porn of the female.
Semantics homie. The original point was that Three Houses is a popular and it would make sense to keep Byleth. If we really wanted to pick someone from 3H it'd be Dimitri, Edelgard, Sothis, Lysithea, etc. I'm gonna go with Sakurai and agree that Byleth helps at least bring the 3 lord's into the game in spirit.
TH is popular but using one of the least popular characters instead of one of the more popular ones just negates that as even TH fans wouldn't like it.
Mother fricker i have been in Smash threads for the entire Ultimate hype train.
Not only that but if this is really how you feel then why even try fixing the FE characters with you own cuts?
Also, you keep proving how little you know about FE and its fanbase Bylshit is disliked even within the FE fanbase for being a dull and boring character.
Also you admitting that Bylshit being disliked in Smash is enough to know that your claim of popularity is bullshit.
>He thinks he's a FEgay
Yet you don't even know that Bylshit is one of the most disliked characters in TH.
You're too moronic of a homosexual to talk to. You probably think Thracia and Binding Blade are shit.
>Anon gets defeated
>Has to resort to insults as a pathetic fallback
Every time.
Honestly, anything other than the Kirby trio is pushing it too much IMO, nobody gives a frick about Magolor or any other OC, I'd rather have the Waddle Dee.
Despite making up less than 13% of the population of Kirby games, Sakurai-directed Kirby games make up over 50% of Kirby's Smash representation.
>No Meteos stage
>No Meteos remixes.
My seethe eternal.
Does Nintendo even own that? Disney made their own version so I've got no idea.
Will there be another smash to begin with?
It's a big Nintendo IP. It's going to get a new game.
The game is at 32 million and reaching 40 before all is said and done is not entirely impossible
When you do numbers like these you're gonna continue the series, original creator involved or not
>next smash
Does he know?
I'm against cutting anything. Just add more. Only israelites are pro-cutting, go uncut.
But how does one add more foreskin upon foreskin?
I stretched it a lot
>next smash
They called it Ultimate for a reason.
There is nowhere to go from it.
Seems like smash bros reunion would have been a better name since smash bros ultimate doesn’t really feel ultimate
Any Smash game with eight FE characters doesn't deserve to be the last.
FE should have a max of 3 characters.
>FE should have a max of 3 characters.
This. One sword user, one spear user and one axe user. Easiest shit in the world.
This has always been the dumbest thing anyone took from complaints about swords. An axe and a spear in Smash Bros would be functionally the same shit as a sword.
You could 1 to 1 map Ike's moves as axe moves. It wouldn't suddenly make anything different. At least talk about magic (which they did with Robin), dragon transformations (which are most of Corrin's moveset), or various mounts which they haven't done yet. Even Byleth used lance, axe, bow, and their sword was a whip for all but like 2 attacks.
No one cares about that shit.
When people say they hate sword users, what they're actually saying is "I hate samey FE shit".
It's hilariously disingenuous how Byleth's trailer tries to paint the problem as lying with people like Link or Shulk
Byleth uses his sword my like a whip anyway
I saw the same kind of b***hing about Hero. And Xenoblade. And Tekken. And many more.
They just hate everything outside of their bubble.
Spear would open up pole volting, projectiles, and poking more so than slashing. Maybe even range extention if it retracts.
I'd personally just be happy with a more viable Belmont weapon wise as whip allowed a lot of cool attacks. Also more freedom with the boomer rang as well.
Sakurai said in a Japanese interview that he dislikes that name purely for that reason.
Post the interview
The JP name is also just Special, rather than Ultimate.
have a nice day.
They should just make the next Smash game with only FE characters and only add non-FE characters as paid DLC.
Don't even add non-FE characters. At this point they may as well just make Fire Emblem: Smash.
No, it's permanently fricked.
Once you add a character they are there forever, if they miss an installment there will always be throngs of shitter autists to cry and annoy the developers about "my boy" until they inevitably add them again.
Adding more characters will not fix it, these type of people can't stand replacements. It will just make the problem worse.
nah theres no way, the next smash is going to be a nice fat reboot and will cut the frick out of this bloated shitty roster
Honestly if they went for a more technical style of gameplay like Melee and went back to the original 8 characters just for a fresh start, I think people would still buy it.
They wouldn't.
>We get “RPG Mario” instead of Geno
The sheer kek
Probably not the right approach.
But most smash moves are some kind of archetype that gets used across several characters.
You can tell this already how the design new ones a lot of the time.
Projectiles archtypes
>instant hit
>standard pellet
>bouncy pellet
etc
Same for Aerial recovers
>horizontal
>vertical
>grappling hook
etc
With variations per character.
They also kinda got into this a little with Custom Moves, even though they werent really shared across characters.
I'd open that up, expand it, let people mix and match them, building off of a body archetype.
Femboy humanoid
Ninja humanoid
Manly humanoid
Would probably ruin a lot of individuality in a characters, but make it easier to just add a million skins of new characters or versions of the same characters with potential for variation in style of gameplay.
Pick a main archetype, like Marth is the Femboy Swordsman archetype, and make everybody else an echo fighter.
Assign them varied custom moves that are modified forms of special attacks, or let people pick and choose.
Gimmick characters obviously are too specialized or weird but maybe they still get custom moves to choose from.
Yes.
They can simply add Alear and let her Emblem Engage with all the previous FE protags, combining every FE protag into 1 character.
I can't think of anything that would piss off FE fans more. So they should do it
smash isnt fricking about representation or gaming's greatest hits, it always is and always has been advertizing for whatever's new
stop asking for fricking smash games and you'll stop getting fire emblem characters
Yeah, that's why Samus, Ness, Game & Watch, Ice Climbers, Pit, ROB, Duck Hunt, King K. Rool, Dark Samus, Ridley, Simon, Richter, Banjo & Kazooie and Terry made it to the game. To promote the brand new games including them at the time. That's also why the likes of F-Zero and Mother kept getting new stages long after they stopped being relevant.
KOFXV was teased like a month before Terry was revealed, Fatal Fury COTW was in plans for years too. I'm glad he's in but i don't understand how people think he isn't shilling anything
He's really not shilling anything, especially the way he's implemented and the stage. He's practically a retro character.
>especially the way he's implemented and the stage. He's practically a retro character.
what do you mean by the way he's implemented? the stage is also an original take of the KOF stadium which has been in every KOF, i don't see what's retro about that
None of the characters including Terry himself are using modern appearances, the moves and taunts are all from older games and the lion's share of the music is old stuff. The reveal looks like a Neo Geo game too. I like fighting games and I didn't see it as shilling at all. Kazuya was way more shilly.
Who the frick isn't shilling? Are only dead series like mother allowed in?
All of the DLCs but Banjo kazooie had something relevant going on, and i don't really mind if a character is promoting something but it's obvious that smash heavily leans on more promotional picks for their DLCs.
For stuff from other companies it's undoubtedly way easier to talk them into sharing a character they want to advertise somehow
'luv Lucina
'luv Kamui
'luv Beresu
'luv Ryuru
Can't they just incorporate these guys into the Engage protag?
Yes, there's an easy way to fix it: Cull the FE cast but do the same thing for other IP's.
>Mother: Ness, Paula, Poo, Lucas, Claus, Ninten, Ana
>F-Zero: Capt. Falcon, Blood Falcon, Black Shadow, Deathborn
>Pokemon: Pikachu, Pichu, Pachirisu, Emonga
>Mario: Mario, Luigi, Dr. Mario, Dr. Luigi
>Zelda: Link, Y. Link, T. Link, Dark Link
Make it so that every character gets a clone and an echo. No excuse to have four Marths and as far as I'm concerned, FE lowered the bar enough to allow other IP's to have four of their respective characters sharing a moveset with slight differences.
>still mad at FE
It's been 5 years since ultimate released, it's been 7 years since Corrin released, let it go.
And it’s t minus whatever many years until the next game releases and another fe rep happens, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another, and then another
You'll be like 40 when the next smash comes, do you have so little going on in your life that you sit in anger in anticipation of something that won't happen for 6 years from now?
It’s been almost 5 years now. Assuming we get the switch 2 soon, the next smash game will be out in the next couple of years. That doesn’t even get into how it’s hard to let something go when it keeps happening
the only way to fix Smash is to get Hackurais away from it
never forget that he flipped you off as he was announcing Byleth
Yeah only keep Marth, Ike, Roy and Robin and then add the latest MC
>Roy
When considering which characters to go, Roy should be at the top of the chopping block. His game never released in the west and his moveset is a clone of Marth. The only reason people like him is because he was in melee.
Roy is the Captain Falcon of FE, people love him more for Smash than his own games
>The only reason people like him is because he was in melee.
...which immediately makes him 10x more iconic the other billion fire emblem characters no one cares about
Smash is his retirement home you’re trying to say?
I’m just realizing Roy was the only FE character to ever miss out on a Smash game, that being Brawl
Ice climbers
Ice Climbers are FE characters?!
NO WAY!!
Holy shit they overdid it.
>smashies hate us
>anti-anime gays hate us
>other SRPG gays hate us
It's hard being the top dog sometimes, huh FEchads?
You forgot
>other FE gays hate us
Lyn is not even playable why are you making LynChads look bad? I usually respect Lynposters too but you’re needlessly obnoxious about it.
This pleases the fire emblem and anime fan and confuses everybody else.
Cry about it, squirt.
I don't really view it as a problem.
FE is going to have more reps because the entire cast changes every time, compared to other games Nintendo has that keeps the same cast every time.
The FE fanbase is also significantly more divided, not having awakening or 3H rep would make different people upset than those who would be mad if Ike or Roy weren't in.
Of the ones in Corrin is the more egregious, at least 3 Houses was a proven good game by the time Byleth got in. Corrin was a marketing stunt.
As an FE fan, even I hate when they add characters just for shilling purposes instead of characters that deserve it or characters that can bring an interesting new moveset to the game besides sword and down counter.
People won't count him because nostalgia and FIREEE but Roy started this shit up. In retrospect he was even more egregious than Corrin, whose game at least had already been released in Japan, whereas Roy is technically a Smash original character, appearing there before his own game was out at all.
Retroactively remove Roy and Corrin from the equation and there'd be decidedly less complaints (less so if Chrom was modeled after Ike or not added at all either)
Thing about Roy is he has Melee Nostalgia in his favor
People liked Roy and Marth because they were just cool Japanese swordsmen at the time. Brawl swapped Roy for Ike, a game some people in the states would have actually played. There was really nothing to be upset about at this point as many series got 1 or more new reps during this while FE gained no more than 2 in Brawl. Those were peaceful times.
And then Smash 4 hits and most people thought Ike would get replaced by Chrom and FE would stay with 2 reps. Boy were they wrong.
Honestly there's so much dead weight in the game at this stage especially after the DLC that I hope the next game is a compete reboot. Like almost half of the roster could be cut never to return and I would not care at all for most of them.
Here's how they fix it for a Smash reboot
>Lucina (but she has Tippers)
>Axe user
>Spear user (maybe a Pegasus knight?)
>Robin or some more relevant mage character
Done. Maybe throw in a Manakete or whatever the dragon shifters like Tiki are called.
>Lucina instead of Marth
Frick off waifugay.
Is there a problem?
Huh?
litterally every fricking character in the game has big eyes ill never get this moronic meme
>next smash
Hopefully not, let the series die. Melee is all you need
>OoT Impa exists
>Hyrule Warriors Impa exists
>Hyrule Warrior Age of Calamity Impa exists
>Skyward Sword Impa exists
>add another fire emblem character with a counterattack.
I like FE but this shit is insufferable
Impa isn't the main character of zelda
Piranha Plant is the main character of its game though right?
Mario is the Nintendo franchise it can have all the characters it wants
And Zelda is right behind it.
But if you want more examples.
>Palutena
>Isabelle
>Sephiroth
>Meta Knight
Pokemon and animal crossing are more popular than zelda
A few things wrong with what you just said.
1. I didn't bring up any Pokemon character.
2. Animal Crossing is not more popular than Zelda. Seriously, just look at how TOTK blew up compared to New Horizons.
3. That doesn't change the fact that there are multiple characters who are not the main characters of their franchises who got into the game.
Totk came out after smash ultimate
So did New Horizons.
You're missing the point with me bringing that up. The point with that is Zelda is more popular than Animal Crossing.
>Zelda is more popular than Animal Crossing.
It isn't, I'm pretty sure splatoon at this point is more popular than zelda
Like i said, look at how big TOTK got within just a few days.
If this is what you think then you're either trolling or you're delusional.
Totk wasn't out yet
So you are just trolling?
Seriously, no one can be this much of a dumbass.
Based BingWahooChad
No im fine with fire emblem as well, smashes roster is perfectly fine to me. All I would add is Ray 01 and maybe like isaac
You do know that that Anon used that as an excuse for less Zelda characters, right? He wasn't dunking on FE.
Won’t fall for your Gaslight FEpedo, that meme was dunking on FE series you blind frick.
It's a joke pick anon.
Maybe they'll add a Moblin next game.
>Falco is the main character of star fox
He's a clone, irrelevant
Isn't that also all FE characters? Is there a reason why Impa cannot be a "clone" of Shiek?
I see you dont actually play smash
>a sword character with a counter-attack
Akuma, Ryu, Ken, Dan, Sean and Luke all play significantly different from each other, but they are still shoto clones.
I guess peach is a marth clone as well
>I guess peach is a marth clone
Does peach use a sword in all the same way FE characters tend to? Did you read a sentence and only pick out "counter" from it?
She uses a frying pan and shit which is basically just a sword
Not that Anon but Impa being a clone would be stupid.
He's right though. Four of the FE characters have the same derivative movesets.
He said all not 4
Ah. Forgive me i thought he said half.
Although i will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he most likely just over exaggerated.
>Rosalina is the main character of her game
>Two spin-offs
>One game where she doesn't do much
>One where she does a bit, but still not a lot
Impa's best bet was either to be a Sheik clone or to replace Sheik in 4.
Like I said
Time and most Zeldagays being busy requesting shit like Skull Kid or decloned Ganondorf (so essentialy wasting time)
Sakurai is such a sly dog
>Reveal Knuckles and Moon as Assist Trophies
>Proceed to reveal Shadow and Skull Kid the following direct
Waluigi fans were spared early
What mental illness causes so much seethe about fire emblem.
The reason there are many fire emblem characters in ultimate is because the fire emblem rep actually changed with each previous game. Ultimate's gimmick was to have all the characters from previous games so of course there is going to be a large cast of fire emblem characters. What mental gymnastics do you have to do to ignore this simple fact and logic and believe their is some big problem.
>hurr durr my problem is the similar movesets
It's the same reason mentally ill idiot. Seriously see a doctor.
>What mental illness causes so much seethe about fire emblem.
Fire Emblem is NOT a major RPG franchise of any kind. It's not Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, not even Phantasy Star, Star Ocean, Breath of Fire, Suikoden, Shin Megami Tensei, etc. It's really that niche. And despite it's niche status it also nearly died until they prostituted out waifu shit. And yet it gets a lot of undeserved character representation. Characters that if we're honest no one actually cares about in the grand scheme of things.
RPG character stereotypes are a dime a dozen but if you're going to put RPG characters in Smash at least choose franchises that have more nutrient characters. I swear you put Crono or Magus from Chrono Trigger and you know you will get people happy and buying. The point is a chunk of other RPG series are more well known and beloved than Fire Emblem. The only thing keeping Fire Emblem getting its characters in Smash is the connection to Nintendo as a sort of second party. A privilege that not even Kirby spams.
>A privilege that not even Kirby spams
Because it has next no noteworthy characters that aren't already in.
At this point its one-off villains and
Dee
FEtards be like: “you never played our games, that’s why you hate it or don’t know the characters”
Meanwhile this proving he’s never played the Kirby Games
Now you see how none of those are main characters right
A lot of those characters starred as main villains and returned in a couple games after their debut. Magolor had an entire mode centered around him.
Okay wake me up when the next mainline game is about Marx and not not kirby
Let's see
>Kirby, MK, DDD
already in, main characters
>3 sisters
>Magolor
>Marx
>Taranza
>DMK
>Daroach
>Susie
Villains of their own game, they either only showed up in their game or as cameos, none really matter outside that
>Adeleine
>Animal friends
>Gooey
>Ribbon
They were shelved for over 17 years before they dug them out for fanservice in star allies
>Bandana dee
That's the only one actually left out.
>ignoring dark matter
Even as a bandana dee fan, that’s kind of dumb. Also, what does it matter if they’re important to a single game, aren’t most of the fe reps only important to a single game
>Phantasy Star, Star Ocean, Breath of Fire, Suikoden, Shin Megami Tensei
Fire Emblem is more popular than all of those franchises, also Fire Emblem: Three Houses is the best selling Tactical RPG, and the series as a whole is often credited as popularising the SRPG genre in Japan.
>not even Phantasy Star, Star Ocean, Breath of Fire, Suikoden
L M A O
>Phantasy Star, Star Ocean, Breath of Fire, Suikoden, Shin Megami Tensei
Gotta agree with some anons here, instead of only RPGs you should’ve delved into Non-Nintendo Non-RPGs that are also bigger than Fire Emblem
Sonic the fricking Hedgehog is bigger than it, Street Fighter, maybe Megaman, basically some 3rd Parties already in Smash are arguably bigger than Anime Chess.
Did you forget smash is a nintendo game?
Oh I’m sorry
For the record, if you want to defend and justify Fire Emblem getting on par with Mario & Pokémon then all glory goes to you but the consider the following.
If FE is “big” enough to get a huge line-up of 8+ fighters then so are Kirby, Zelda, Metroid, & DK. No Excuses
Metroid has no characters, like I guess we could get Kraid, yes zelda and dk deserve more reps
Metroid has Raven Beak and a decloned Dark Samus
>If FE is “big” enough to get a huge line-up of 8+ fighters then so are Kirby, Zelda, Metroid, & DK. No Excuses
As an FE fan, yeah that'd be based. I'd love even more characters in Smash, especially more Nintendo guys.
Almost no one is against those series getting new characters baka
except for Sakurai
>Fire Emblem > Metroid
How much did Engage sell compared to Dread or even Prime Remastered ? I don’t care about Garbage Houses, it’s old ass game that’s old news
Dread actually did good so it outsold it
Yeah I don’t understand why FEfrickers always bring up sales, Three Houses will probably be their only peak for a long time, I wonder how Xenoblade 2 is doing compared to 3
Engage is just a 30th anniversary piece, sort of a spin-off.
I hate Engage and hope the next one will be more like the Terrius game
Engage is unironically better than what your favorite Fire Emblem currently is
This
>Terrius
Gameplay wise it might be top 3
Writing wise it's easily bottom 3
>Writing wise it's easily bottom 3
Don't really care
We've already run out of Nintendo characters. The only one I can think of is Dixie.
The only other candidates are New FE Protag, New Xeno Protag, and New Pokemon.
Do you really think Bandana Dee deserves to make an appearance?
>We've already run out of Nintendo characters
Nintendo alone could front a lot of villains and their not so well known games (custom robo) to double the roster. Incrase the size even more by insuring at least 2 min from all the current ninty franchises.
Sky is the limit.
YES, I DO. QUIT SAYING WEVE RAN OUT. YOUD BE SAYING THAT ABOUT CAPTAIN FALCON, NESS, LUCAS, WOLF, FALCO, PIT, PALUTENA, SHIEK, JIGGLYPUFF, DEDEDE, METAKNIGHT, ICE CLIMBERS, DUCK HUNT, ROB, KING K ROOL, AND A BUNCH OF OTHERS IF THEY WERENT ALREADY IN. FOR FRICKS SAKE, NINTENDO IS ONLY GETTING POPULAR AND THEYLL MOST LIKELY INTRODUCE EVEN MORE IPS IN THE FUTURE.
Maybe if Sakurai wasn’t on his Nihon Pride Drug we would’ve had like 5-6 Kirby characters by now
>We've already run out of Nintendo characters X2
>We've already run out of Nintendo characters.
Don't make me tap the sign.
>Do you really think Bandana Dee deserves to make an appearance?
No, but now that he has become even more prominent in more recent Kirby games, I think Magolor has potential.
>No Excuses
Its not JUST about franchise popularity. There has to be characters that work. Every fricking kirby and zelda character people want are one off side villains. Fire Emblem lends itself well to more characters because there is a new protagonist in every game.
Awakening alone has 3 characters. I'm plenty sure by that logic a ton of games could deserve echoes from side characters.
Yes, and the 3 are literally all the main characters of the game. None of them are side characters. Plus 2 of them are echoes so who fricking cares?
I mean by that logic there's characters like Midna you could add. She's as pivotal to Twilight Princess as Lucina or Chrom are to Awakening, maybe even more.
Yes, but lucina and chrom are echoes. Midna wouldnt be.
>With Zelda one offs: "Those characters are not important, the main trio is"
NOT TRUE
>With FE one offs: "No no, FE has a rotating cast, they are essential"
ALSO NOT TRUE
God FEtards are pathetic
shoot corring first,I forget that he is even in Ultimate the most, although not a clone, irrelevant as hell, then Chrom,Byleth seems to have staying power potential but can be replaced witha proper lord anyways
keep Lucina as an echo
All of those are main characters outside of lucina but she's just a clone
You cant just literally shout "NOT TRUE" and think you have a case. And you have the gall to call others pathetic.
How about you play some videogames?
homosexual.
Ladies First
>Breath of Fire, Suikoden
You're out of your fricking mind if you think those are bigger than fire emblem but that's irrelevant
Heh, before Marth even made his pantless debut, Intelligent Systems already introduced turn based, grid based, strategy gameplay with Famicom Wars, that shit predated FE1 by two years in 1988. Basically FE owes its existence to it’s sister series.
Now which of those 2 series get regular releases?
Who should we keep besides Marth and New FE Protag? Robin, Corrin or Byleth if you value individuality. If popularity is important, it would be Ike or Lucina
The worst part about the mishandling of fire emblem in smash bros is that they didn't even choose the characters well. The fact that Lyn is still relegated to being an assist trophy despite being provably more beloved than every other FE character in smash other than Ike is a goddamn tragedy, and I will never stop being mad about it. We have shitters like chrom, who despite being a pick that was explicitly made to include an older character, is less well beloved than many other characters they could have included. Even fricking Eliwood is provably more popular than Chrom, so why the frick is he there? We are cursed with both overrepresentation, yet not actually desired representation.
Lucina is more popular than Lyn
>b-but Heroes
Pretty much everyone who had something to grind against Fateswakening brigageded for her because she was the only 'old' character to have a shot at getting above Lucina/Tharja/Camilla.
Source?
Cut all Fire Emblem characters and replace them with The 'Scaper.
>but muh Swordy McSword
'Scaper can do that.
>but muh axe
'Scaper can do that.
>but muh spear
'Scaper can do that.
>but muh magic
'Scaper can do that.
>add default bald tehnoobshow Runescape man
>call him some "Noobslayer69" or some shit
I'd buy it day one
the next smash will have a cut down roster unless it's just a port of ultimate
Honestly Fire Emblem really only needs Marth and the main protagonist of the most recent FE game.
Then after them, maybe Ike since he's the most popular FE character
And maybe Robin or Byleth. Robin's not relevant anymore, despite Awakening reviving FE, but at least the mage moveset really makes Robin stand out. Any Byleth comes from (I think?) the best-selling FE game and uses a variety of weapons.
Honestly what FE needs are more customizable protagonists that you can build however which way. It'd be great for the FE games, and Smash could really create a stand-out moveset that incorporates everything FE-Combat into one fighter.
>what FE needs are more customizable protagonists that you can build however which way. It'd be great for the FE games, and Smash could really create a stand-out moveset that incorporates everything FE-Combat into one fighter.
You mean robin,corrin and byleth?
Only played FE3H, so yeah, kinda like Byleth.
Issue is that Byleth, although you can build them however you choose, is "defaulted" as another sword user.
It'd be nice to have a character where there is no default. You literally start out plain as can be and build however you like. No encouragement or pushing into any direction.
I'd also love to see a protagonist you can *actually customize* and make your own. Change the hair style, hair color, eye color, maybe even facial features.
I get that they prefer to have a set-in-stone look so they can do their anime cutscenes and such, but I'd really love to actually make myself in-game for example.
>I'd also love to see a protagonist you can *actually customize* and make your own. Change the hair style, hair color, eye color, maybe even facial features.
You could do that with Robin and corrin
>Constantly rotate the fighter that accompanies Marth
>Has an everyone is here game again
>People b***h because FE has too many characters
According to overall sales, FE not even top 5. Frick tons of rep in Smash for some reason though. What a waste.
>According to overall sales
According to sales, the Wii series of games have sold better than Zelda, yet Zelda has more playable characters in Smash. Shut the frick up about sales, FE rep sucks because of the lack of moveset variety, not because anime chess sells less than bing bingo wahoo
Not that Anon but this is a pretty crappy comparison due to the "Wii series" just being a bunch of multiple smaller franchises being grouped together.
Not to mention how Zelda has (Obviously) much more characters to use than "Wii series".
>Not to mention how Zelda has (Obviously) much more characters to use than "Wii series".
Fire Emblem has more characters to use than most Nintendo series
Yes and they somehow ended up giving a sword to most of them
I think that's what pains me the most. You'd think with 8 characters there'd be more diverse representation of FE classes.
They always need to use the protagonist since every game is an entirely new cast. They're just fricked, keep crying your favorite unit didn't get in it won't change shit. Smash is only getting protagonists ever.
Not that Anon but Robin wasn't considered the protagonist of Awakening, Chrom is.
Awakening has like 3 protagonists and it has special boy privileges/
OK. Just pointing out that Chrom is the protagonist of Awakening, not Robin.
I guess so but he's not the only one.
Because swords are the default heroic weapon.
Look at other series.
Final Fantasy: Majority of protagonists use swords (and even those with multiple weapons are often portayed with the sword as their 'main' weapon)
SMT/Persona: Japs with swords mostly.
Dragon Quest: Also sword majority
Xenoblade: Sword using Protagonists again
We can keep going.
Sure there are exceptions, but majority of the time it's a sword.
Not that Anon but Japan should settle down with that obsession and use different weapons more.
Not to mention that Smash doesn't have to use the sword wielding MCs all the time. That's what they did with Robin and that worked out great.
The West is just as fricking bad about swords as Japan.
And Robin uses a sword.
>The West is just as fricking bad about swords as Japan.
The west is more about guns really.
Something that is also an obsession that should settle down.
>And Robin uses a sword.
Yes but it's not his main appeal. His appeal first and foremost is being a mage.
Although i will admit that even Robin using a sword doesn't help with the reputation FE has.
Admittedly yes, but they like both.
Robin's appeal in Smash is resource management.
And in Awakening his appeal is that he's basically the Master of Everything. Or that he's (you) and can frick everyone (unless you get Chrom'd).
>Robin's appeal in Smash is resource management.
In terms of mechanics yes but Robin being a mage when all the others are sword fighting lords is what makes him stand out more.
>And in Awakening his appeal is that he's basically the Master of Everything. Or that he's (you) and can frick everyone (unless you get Chrom'd).
I agree but i was talking about his appeal in Smash.
That's what makes him stand out to you.
That's what makes him stand out to everybody.
Seriously, i say what i say based on how others view the characters.
Most of those others are rostergays who only look at his design. Not even what he plays like.
He plays like a mage, making him stand out from the sword fighting lords.
I already said this.
>He plays like a mage,
No he fricking doesn't
Being a mage is part of his gimmick.
Yet he's still a mage character who fights using mage abilities.
His gimmick is that his weapons are powerful but break if used too much.
Yes, but like i said that's mechanically.
Not a lot of people actually delve deep into the mechanics in such a way. Most players will just see Robin as a mage amongst sword users.
>Most players will just see Robin as a mage
That also uses a sword
And i also voiced my complaints on that earlier in the thread.
How much of this thread did you even read?
Mage isn't a fighting archetype.
Robin plays a resource management playstyle.
In fact, pretty much every FE character plays differently to some extent if you get into them.
>Swords are the default heroic weapon
It would be like if for Pokémon, Pikachu Clones were the only default starter Pokémon or if they were only Fire Starters. Doesn’t matter anyway, Pokemon Mogs Fire Emblem in this regard
So then why do we even need more characters? What’s wrong with the roster size? Hell if they took out all the third parties it would be the best roster
Are you really considering the less important unit characters as potential characters?
Characters like Impa and Midna are more important to Zelda than any of those characters are to FE.
That's why they go with the main character
Yeah, but with Zelda there are side characters with lots of importance that can be used.
Like how other franchises use side characters.
Major FE characters not in Smash
>Anna
>Caeda
>Tiki
>Medeus
>Alm
>Celica
>Sigurd
>Arvis
>Seliph
>Leif
>Finn
>Lilina
>Zephiel
>Lyn
>Eliwood
>Hector
>Eirika
>Ephraim
>Lyon
>Black Knight
>Elinica
>Micaiah
>Azura
>Camilla
>Takumi
>Edelgard
>Dimitri
>Claude
>Rhea
>Alear
Major Zelda characters not in Smash
>Ganon
>Impa
>Marin
>Ruto
>Tingle
>Skull Kid
>Vaati
>Toon Zelda
>Tetra
>Toon Ganondorf
>Midna
>Zant
>Fi
>Ghirahim
>Hilda
>Zelda (BOTW)
>Mipha
>Urbosa
>Revail
>Daruk
>Sidon
Not all of those FE characters can be considered major, especially the characters from the more obscure FE games.
>Not all of those FE characters can be considered major, especially the characters from the more obscure FE games.
You could make the same claim about some of the Zelda characters
I agree. I don't even know why you put most of those Zelda characters on your list.
In fact your list is just more confusing than anything. It feels like you just went to the Zelda and FE wikis to put as many characters on those lists as possible.
Funny thing is, the Wii series has more-movesets- than the Zelda series, or any in the roster for that matter
Just add Alear and you'll get your moveset variety through Emblem swapping. Problem solved.
Fire emblem fighting game when?
When dumbass FEtards stop pushing for and advocating for their newest flavor of the month main protagonist to be in Smash specifically to make a group of people mad BUT THEN complain when they get upset over their shitty palette swap characters, it’s ironic too because FE is about making smart moves and tactics but FEtards clearly are unintelligent like the company namesake
Just remove them all no one cares about fire emblem
Let’s remove all 3rd parties then since Smash is a Nintendo game
Your terms are acceptable.
All these years later and Corrin still lives rent free inside all your heads, Smashgays. Get over it.
Get back in the Trash you Fake Manakete wannabe, Tiki is more of a true Manakete than you are
>There is no justifiable reason to keep Roy
>"but I like him!"
Liking Roy is a clear sign of never having played his home game, frick wasting a spot on this meme of a character.
Assuming he stays just let Chrom keep the moveset.
i just beat binding blade on the switch and Roy is fricking awesome
one jrpg isn't smash's problem
its all of them, pokemon, fe, ff, dq, persona, xenoblade
way too much jrpg shit
>one platformer isn't smash's problem
>its all of them, mario, donkey kong, sonic, kirby, mega man, yoshi
>way too much platformer shit
ftfy
i forgot mother
that is also correct
HE'S IN
HE'S THE BEST UNIT OF FE6
ROY IS THE WORST LORD OF FE
For me it's echidna
It should just be Marth, Robin and Byleth next game. I think that is reasonable
>Robin and Byleth
Cringe my units
Nah
Just cut half of this cast
>When Ike was abruptly announced at the Smash Bros Dojo
>When Lucina appeared on screen in the Reveal Trailer for Smash 4
I still remember the joy and excitement of that moment
After Corrin, I was simply bewildered
Ike’s reveal in Subspace Emissary was basically
>Revealing a Fire Emblem Character when it used to be cool and exciting
Man I wish I played PoR before brawl came out, this shit would’ve been so fricking cool.
Who will be the best candidate for handling Smash when Sakurai is Out?
FE does not warrant repeated additions just because new protagonists feature each game. The frickable imp from Twilight Princess is more recognizable than any FE protagonist and I may even wager that with their Smash additions included.
I hope the next game adds 3 fire emblem characters it hilarious watching you guys seethe
Remove Corrin and I’m happy.
>Keep Marth,
The iconic first lord
>Keep Ike
Most popular lord, but also switch his sword into using an axe like his Brave counterpart
>Keep Robin
Magic user and avatar of the game that saved the series
>Add an Lance user
Then up nearly every other series count by like 1
>Ike
>Most popular
>into using an axe like his Brave counterpart
That's moronic, if Ganondorf can't be reworked no will be
>Pokémon number over 1,000
>Fire Emblem characters are also over 1,000
Even if each developed an all-star game on its own, it would be impossible to pick the right people to satisfy the fans
Honestly, I think it would be best if Pokémon and Fire Emblem both got their own fighting game spinoffs whilst their character rep in Smash got reduced to
>Pokémon Trainer, Pikachu, Mewtwo, Latest Pokémon game rep
>Marth, Lyn, Ike, latest FE game rep
>Lyn
Frick off gba bab and anyway pokemon got a fighting game
Fire Emblem already has an all star game and it bombed.
it bombed because they did it in the worst way possible that no one who actually knows anything about the series would've chosen
Well how would you have made it better?
Real question by the way, not trying to be antagonistic.
Represent more of the series that simple
it'd need characters that encompass the entire series. As it is it's just a 3DS circlejerk with a few shadow dragon characters and lyn for fanservice. Also I just wouldn't have chosen a warriors game. Like others in this thread have mentioned, I think a fighting game would work quite well.
>Successfully broke the million mark that led to 3H getting it's own spinoff that also broke a million
If your looking for an actual bomb you picked the wrong game
That games actually good though
Doesn't change the fact that TMS bombed twice though
Yeah but that's not what i'd call an all star game.
Also, wow, FE really shits the bed when it comes to spin offs huh? The only exception being Heroes.
Good or not it still bombed. In fact it bombed twice, even in Japan.
This game sucks so much ass. Especially after playing the Zelda ones. Hey kids, want to play as the same few characters on the same 3-4 maps forever? No thanks.
It was on the Wii U and it pissed a lot of fans off by being a Fateswakening wankfest.
And it still did decently enough.
It wasn't on Wii U it was on 3DS and Switch.
It didn't bomb, it sold more than a million which is great numbers for Warriors standards
>Warriors Spin-off
This is one area where Zelda absolutely mogs Fire Emblem
It’s honestly hilarious how FE never got a fighting game
You'll get your 8th FE rep and you'll LIKE HER!
*9th.
>8th
>Dumbass can’t even count
No way they'll bring them all back. Ideally it'll be Marth, Ike, Robin, and a new character.
>Implying there'll be a next Smash
Nintendo too cheap for Rollback netcode. Shits over
>Announce Echo Fighter system
>Do only one good thing with it (Ken)
>All other would be echos are wasted slots instead
Sakurai shoulda never said that followed by the Shadow deconfirmation lmao
Drop Corrin, and make Lucina an echo of Chrom. Chrom leans more heavily into Ike territory while Lucina leans towards Marth, but they have the same fundamental moveset. Byleth can stay or go, I didn't really have a problem with them since they feel like a more traditional smash character than any other FE rep.
>since they feel like a more traditional smash
What does that even mean
No counter/sword dance shit, or any kind of real 'unique' mechanic like tipping, or Robin's weapon durability. Byleth just gets a very basic moveset compared to the other FEreps that feels like a breath of fresh air. They're the only FE character to not have a fricking counter, for gods sake. That alone makes them a more worthwhile character than half the other reps from that franchise.
You guys are absolutely insane
>Cut them all
>Keep Marth
>Keep Robin (Or a new spellcaster IDC)
>Add Tiki
There, Melee, Ranged and Beast.
I hate female avatars
>Female Corrin
Cringe. Female avatars shouldnt exist and the only people who like them are homosexuals
Something not many are mentioning is the salt in the wound that is making Corrin and Byleth male by default when their lady version is way more popular
Robin was rightly kept male tho
Male byleth is 10x better than female byleth. The only people that choose fembyleth are male redditors who make her a lesbian for edelgard. Byleth's emotionless personality is way better suited for a male. Hell, the face alone on male byleth is far more fitting than femlae byleth's derpy frog face. Agree on corrin though
>t. homosexual
Female Corrin is cringe
Female corrin is cringe, but so is FE Fates, which is why it works so well. The character is a whiny moron so its only fitting that a female works better for the character.
Keep Marth, Ike, Robin and Byleth
Revamp Roy with better animations
Remove everyone else
Add Lyn fricking dis
>replied to a post that's over 10 hours old
you're embarassing yourself, smashie.
>Smashbabies don't know the most beautiful FE characters
How pitiful
The problem is all of you fricking coomers obsessing with cartoons
>It's a Smashie seething about Fire Emblem AGAIN
Next thing I know they'll be seething because a famous non-Nintendo character got in and it's a literally who for them
they only thing the smash devs need to do is actually make the movesets stand out from each other and this "problem" becomes irrelevant
I wonder how a Reboot is going to handle FE
I hate this mentality that ultimate was the “peak” so we now have to either just keep porting ultimate or give the series a reboot. I’d rather they just continue what they were doing before ultimate where they’d just make a new fricking installment that cuts some characters but isn’t a total reboot just like with brawl and smash 4. I’m not against a reboot but jesus, I wish people would stop acting like ultimate is peak.
Game needs the reboot on the characters for lack of better term. What its doing now is equivalent to Street Fighter dragging their characters from their initial appearances, giving them the bare minimum to match new inputs, and calling it a day.
Instead they update the cast, even the shotos and balance move sets to be viable, add some neat tricks, and fit them into the mechanics of the game.
Everything else about the game (stickers/trophy, story, etc) isn't going anywhere so the term has no meaning.
Fair enough, I definitely think a bunch of characters could use some changes
>Port Ultimate
>Balance changes
>Rollback netcode
Money in the bank.
Not gonna lie, if all they did was add more stages/characters I'd buy it. I don't feel there is a strong need to change the mechanics at this point. Maybe fix a few things like multihits and let people customize the shorthop macro.
Literally all they have to do is not make the online shitty. It's damn near unplayable between both NSO already not being great on top of the dumbass input buffer already in the game.
So you guys want Stagnation rather than Evolution, got it.
Super Stagnation Bros
Smash is going down this path where all it does is add more characters and remove more features. And the fans are loving it
same with Mario Kart, fans are gaslit into thinking it needs a crazy gimmick to warrant a sequel when MK lack basic racer shit like analog acceleration with analog triggers which would benefit from the speed of 200cc and possibly up
>Mario Kart
This will be Mario Kart 10 in 2030
>Mario Kart with playable Black Knight
I'll buy 20 copies
The online not being shit would be evolution, dumb gay.
Kinda Hurts knowing Smash 6 will likely have better Trendy Newcomers choices than Ultimate and 4 had.
These would be much better 1st party reps than most of what 4 and Ult gave us, yes. But Inkling and Octoling would play similarly.
I wonder if any of pic related could be good picks
The coomer in me wants the cheeta
There’s also fecto elfilis
Over Sakurai’s Dead Body
it seems like this new wave of rostergayging is trending more towards picks that have lasting appeal or in other words "nostalgiagayging" like K Rool, which I like, is more soul than le hall of fame hypewank
>Mumkhar
>Vaati
>Fricking Mr Ead
Who the frick made this shit?
nothing wrong wrong with wild/gag suggestions, shit like ROB, DH, WFT, Plant and Terry is soul
>Keeps the entire SRPG genre alive singlehandedly for decades at this point
You're welcome.
>CorrinShitter
Opinion Discarded
If they ever make a new 2d smash it would be a disaster, nothing they do with the gameplay will ever justify the roster shrink. If they ever make a new smash it has to go 3d, reinvent the 3d fighter in the way they did with 2d.
Add all of these to balance out the FE trash.
>3rd party shit
Frick no, keep that shit out of Smash. Smash doesn’t need any more 3rd party characters we already have like 30 of them
Smash stopped being a Nintendo game and is now a celebration of Video Games in general.
Yeah, and considering we know just keep hearing people like
say we’ve ran out of nintendo characters, I kind of wish it wasn’t
And they're factually wrong.
>Takamaru
>Dixie Kong
>Ninten
>Tamagon
>Lolo
>Bubbles
>Nintendoji
>Prince of Sable
>Excite Biker
>Urban Champ
>Meowth
>Doshin
>Chibi Robo
>Custom Robo
>Sheriff
>Louie
There, I named possible new comers.
>Giygas
>Porky
>Black Shadow
>Maybe even Glass Joe for a funny second Punch-Out rep
Kong
Robo
Robo
Fair enough
Brings nothing new to the game
>>Lolo
Biker
Champ
Literally whos with almost zero moveset potential
doji
of Sable
Japan only literally whos, assist trophy material
I don't know why people bring up characters no one fricking wants instead of the usuals like Bandana Dee, Porky, King Boo, who are popular and interesting enough to not give flame to the "ran out of Nintendo characters" arguments.
>Bandana Dee
>Popular and interesting
Bandana dee gays are absolutely delusional.
Keep Marth, Ike, Robin, and Corn. Add one new rep with an interesting moveset and playstyle, and it's golden.
Probably turn Lucina into a costume then
Yes, that works fine.
I'd swap corn for byleth. Byleth is more recent and their game was more popular. I like corrin's playstyle but I can't stand the character
Still too much you dumb shit, quit being fat and greedy
The only good kirby games are amazing mirror and super star ultra
Female Corrin works, because Corrin is a moron. As such, it's tolerable as a female, but just annoying as a male.
Even this shit would’ve been more hype than Corrin or Byleth, we still lack a sports/athlete archetype in Smash
>we still lack a sports/athlete archetype
Wii fit trainer exists. Begone pokegay
Little Mac, wiifit, mii brawler to am extent, captain falcon
speaking of Pokemon, it really might as well have a rotating cast just like the mainline do anyways, something like
>Pikachu
>Trainer of whatever gen
>[popular cute mon]
>[popular cool mon]
>[popular legendary] or just keep Mewtwo
It doesn't have to be all [current gen], also I guess keep Jigglypuff since alhough not so relevant in Pokemon she is a Smash staple
I'd keep Pikachu, Kanto Trainer and Mewtwo and have two more Pokémon rotating. Charizard and Mewtwo are too iconic to exclude
yeah, Pokemon is just so big in terms of potential fighters that you gotta have some rotate somehow
The thing you homosexuals fail to aknowledge is that the FE characters are all some of the most fun in the game. You can cry all you want but it wont stop me and many others from enjoying their top tier movesets.
Isn't Fire Emblem a series with multiple different classes? Also, having so many just be clones of Marth is not a good look. Fire Emblem fans should really be against it too.
Who I actually want is never getting in so I see no reason to cry over spilt milk
>having so many just be clones of Marth is not a good look
Who really cares if it takes minimal effort to implement them? Does anyone cry that all the koopalings are in? Does seeing them on the css instead of as skins really make your blood boil that hard?
Nobody cares about the koopalings as individuals in their own series.
I don't understand your point. I'm saying, nobody is crying about the fact that there are models for all 7 koopalings, but the moment there are 4 FE models based on the same moveset everyone throws a hissyfit. The only difference is that the FE characters are different slots on the css screen while the koopalings are not.
>Does anyone cry that all the koopalings are in?
Yes actually. Step foot inside the Mario fandom. A lot of them complain when they just show up in a newer Mario game.
I have never seen a mario fan complain about the koopalings in smash. It doesnt even fricking matter because we are talking about how much smash fans rage about FE characters.
I once saw video about how someone was annoyed the Koopalings were taking spotlight away from Bowser Jr.
>annoyed the Koopalings were taking spotlight away from Bowser Jr.
Pretty funny considering Jr's early general reception was "what the frick is this where's the Koopalings?"
It’s funny how the koopaling and bowser jr have had a compete 180 on reception since the 2000s
Koopalings were probably the first to get that Hero Treatment
All of the non-Marth FE characters have varied, unique movesets, so why does this even matter? I don't know where this "hurr durr you hafta represent ALL the mechanics" mindset comes from.
not him, but wouldn't it make more sense to showcase what the game is about in a way more
That's a fricking stupid reasoning. No one is going to play Smash and say "Wow, Fire Emblem has....classes? I should go play it right now!!!". Same shit for "muh weapon triangle". Really the only thing necessary for a Smash fighter is that they be fun to play, and appealing to look at. People complain about "le boring blue haired sword man" but everyone was ALL over that shit when Melee came out. Marth was the coolest shit and people liked Roy too for the flaming sword. If you put aside your hatred for the over-representation, pretty much all of the FE characters are cool on a conceptual level, which is enough for an outsider to find intriguing. Magician with a wide arsenal of spells that can also fight up close, shapeshifting dragon child with a chainsaw blade, cool-faced mercenary with a whip sword and a variety of weapons for different situations, and so on. Much more natural for someone to say "I like playing as Byleth, maybe I should check out this Fire Emblem I keep hearing about."
Yeah and they’re all palette swaps of each other
You could make them as Silhouettes and they’d all blend in together with each other
>Stuck in alternate costumes thinking no one would notice
well so is Lucina but shes presented as a character with echo
>Smash 6
>Samus still uses the Other M suit.
other m could have been the greatest game of all time and that design would still suck dick
Sigurdsisters I'm really looking forward to him getting added once the remake gets released
Does he come with the horse or not?
The horse comes with him even as a servant on Engage so of course it does.
How are they going to "balance" his weight > speed then?
Heavy and slow horse? Or light and speedy like a pegabawd? Or mid and mid?
Vidya horses don't have real weight so it could work perfectly, just make them light.
This is the dumbest idea for Smash how would they even make this work?
I refuse to play as a cuck
How the hell is Terry a gag pick?
I didn't say is all gag but Terry is a wild unpopular pick and they even said they know he's not popular but was a soulful guest
I guess hes unpopular but considering Sakurais history he isn't a wild choice
They skipped Alm and Celica for Ultimate so you’re completely deluded, Sigirette
Why would they advertise a 3DS game at the end of the handheld's lifespan instead of the upcoming game on the switch
No one other than Marth is truly necessary but I would say a tolerable line up would be
>Marth/Lucina Ə
>Ike
>Hector or Lyn
>maybe Byleth but it seems like it seems like the lords are more popular
or
>[lord/avatar] rotation
no one without staying power in lasting impact should stay, even though Robin and Corrin are not clones, they are increasingly forgettable and can be easily rotated with another avatar
Hector has no place in smash ever.
>Staying Power
Fire Emblem is basically nothing but characters that will never appear again. So they have these old characters and they have new games coming out so they include those protags. It's a mess I admit but it's a different situation entirely.
This situation makes the FE part of the roster feel very outdated.
It's not like they're there to represent multiple points in the series, each FE newcomer gets added just because their game is the most recent and now they're outdated with their legacies and futures not even coming from their own franchise but clinging onto Smash as a crutch.
yeah, thats why like Pokemon, FE should have a rotating cast, but Pokemon actually has plenty of mons that has staying power
I hope smash run come back next game
That requires effort, and also what made the 3DS version superior to the WiiU version.
You know they won't do that.
smash run was perfect an an online game mode but nope we'll never get that
I wish we got more giant stages built like a maze but have that in online play so you don't have to share the screen with the camera turning the game into an antfarm sim, would be cool to be able to sneak other players off screen predicting where would they be or searching as you run around
If Sakurai cannot bring Kid Icarus Uprising to Switch I doubt he’d be able to bring Smash Run back same thing with a precious Ultimate Port that everyone wants with the same shit with a few more extras
As long as Sakurai is the main head of Smash (which seems like an impossible job for anyone else to handle if his short videos are anything to go by), you are going to get one or two new Fire Emblem characters per Smash game and you will like it. Even if it isn't him, there's still a huge chance to have the newest one there to shill the new game.
he will atleast be a supervisor, he will never let go of Smash as long as he lives
that being said, other directors/studios I would like to see take over
>EAD ofc
>Kamiya
>Harada
>Kumazaki
just for shits, if they went for a western studio(which will never happen) I wouldn't mind next level games
Is that the new tekken roster?
Fire Emblem has to be one of the Nintendo series with the largest amount of characters by far. If anything the only problem is that they only add sword users.
Lmao they really put FE garbage in a death battle, cringe times to NOT look forward to
Be honest anon why do you hate fire emblem?
It's Death Battle, of course it will be cringe you absolute gay.
Berserk Armor Guts > Dimitri > Regular Guts
As always, Guts is limited by his condition as a normal human while Dimitri has his crest steroids.
Who the frick cares?
moron
Guts
First of all, it's death battle. It's cringe by nature. Second of all, it's the most normalgay of normalgay Fire Emblem games. It's probably right up the alley of the typical death battle audience.
What are your most Smash 6 characters? For me it's
>Officer Howard
>Fecto Elfilis
>Knuckles the Echidna
>Agumon
>Paper Mario
>Bandana Dee
>Ballloon Fighter
>Excitebiker
Before thread ends I just wanna say
I truly detest how the word “Smash Fan” has stopped meaning “someone who is a fan of Super Smash Bros” and turned into a straight up insult. Like, if you’re called a smash fan on the internet nowadays, people will immediately think of the fandom toxicity and hate you.