>If you can't do it better or use advertising to brainwash people into thinking you have, you don't deserve to be the one doing it by definition.
Absolute fricking child, "ideas" aren't free, if I invest millions of dollars and years developing something why should someone else be entitled to result of my investment of time and money for free?
Patents expire after 20 years. Game freak hasn't innovated or done anything new with Pokemon since creating it in 1996. They've reaped an enormous windfall. It makes zero sense to continue to protect them. That's why patents expire.
>Game freak hasn't innovated or done anything new with Pokemon since creating it in 1996.
So? It's their IP, their designs that they invested time and money into, they can do whatever the frick they want with it, including making terrible games or no games at all.
Someone not doing what you want with their IP doesn't justify stealing it or ripping it off.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>their designs that they invested time and money into
Good thing no one copied their designs.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Plagiarism stifles innovation >So what if they haven't innovated in 20 years
Ok anon thanks for contributing
5 months ago
Anonymous
these are not mutually exclusive points. companies buy out other IPs literally just to hoard all the time
5 months ago
Anonymous
You're a fricking moron.
First of all implying that Palworld is innovative is fricking laughable, it's the most derivative and generic shit imaginable, 90% of it is hobbled together from the devs other game, which is just an amalgamation of shit they've ripped off from other games, but lets pretend that it at least wanted to be "innovative", it should have done it without ripping off Pokemon's designs.
No one's saying that a "car" should be copyrighted prohibiting anyone else from ever making a car, but stealing someone's car design, engine design etc is lazy, is theft, and does stifle innovation because the original creator no longer has any incentive to create, and the person ripping them off is just putting out derivative stuff.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Is there's nothing new in palworld why are people buying it? Shouldn't they be playing the games that already have that gameplay?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Using popularity as a metric of quality, or originality is quite possibly the dumbest argument you could make.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I don't care about how popular it is. Even if it sold 1/10th the copies that means there was an audience for it that felt like it was worth their time instead of buying the simliar products.
So again. Where's the competitor to what palworld offers?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Even if it sold 1/10th the copies that means there was an audience for it that felt like it was worth their time instead of buying the simliar products. >instead of buying the similar products
See now you're just making up statistics to justify your lack of an argument.
Consumers consume, they don't just buy one or the other, do you just own one FPS? One racing game? One of whatever terrible shit has rotted your brain to this point?
I would wager the people who bought Palworld have some overlap with the 20+ million people who bought Pokemon Scarlet.
Just a hunch.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Seems like they were looking for something different.
Yeah, allowing only one person or company to use an idea for decades or even centuries with no competition is the REAL way to stir creativity and innovation!
Smartest Ganker poster.
how about they make a new game with an innovative idea, dumbass? can't believe we have fricking mindless morons defending copy pasting now. consoomerism has rotten your brains real good
Literally all good ideas come from copying. If you weren't allowed to copy then there would be no Airbus only Boeing, no Samsung only Apple, no Toyota only Ford. No PlayStation only Nintendo.
>Literally all good ideas come from copying.
Funny how you just listed a bunch of companies that were created and successful as a result of innovation, not copying.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Samsung didn't blatantly copy Apple and make worse phones
Literally the only reason why they were better is because they were cheaper. That's it. Samsung was even ordered by the court to pay damages to Apple. Despite all this, it's a good thing Samsung challenged Apple and broke their monopoly.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>romantic originality
moron, being derivative in media is ALWAYS a given.
>competition is bad for innovation
?, if a knockoff is making a dent in your mega corp you better believe the honorary frickers in Japan will do something, not in a legal sense more like a 5% increase in productivity and maybe PR.
>you better believe the honorary frickers in Japan will do something
Depends
Toshiba was just delisted recently. No one there gave a frick about their long decline.
This take is correct.
The entire first 4 generations of Pokemon games and all designs, music, setting and concepts therein should be public domain.
The extension of copyright protections through the bribing of politicians to become the horrible, century-long guarantee of corporate monopoly that it has become is a crime that has murdered the cultural landscape.
Why do you think corporations feel comfortable to make endless low-effort garbage, re-hashes, reboots and remakes?
It's because they don't actually have to put in the effort to stay competitive by innovating and improving on their ideas.
Culture has been dead for decades, copyright killed it.
It's more like there aren't sufficiently stringent laws against this particular form of plagiarism. Chinese culture is incredibly shameless, yes, but that doesn't really mean anything.
Palworld dev is the most Chinese Japan-based company that has ever existed. I am honestly having trouble believing that their being in Japan isn't a front of some kind and they are actually from Shanghai.
Yes. Because their business practices are typical of a Chinese company. So yes. Not that people in Japan can't copy the shameless bullshit of China, just that it wouldn't be surprising if the company that was shameless in one way was also shameless in another.
>Because their business practices are typical of a Chinese company
LMAO go ahead and list these business practices and you will find countries other than China that practice them.
I noticed tendies use the China boogeyman anytime they are threatened by a game (BG3 beating Totk, Palworld ripping off Pokemon). This is becoming sad. They’re crying just like the Russian hoax with Trump.
5 months ago
Anonymous
With BG3 you could say there was ten cent.
With palworld this China bullshit is quite literally Mueller russiahoax tier putin did it lunacy. There's not a single Chinese person involved. It's not clear who they think they're fooling.
>Take something >make a better version of it >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT IMPROVE ON MY SACRED GROUND!!!!!! IT'S HOLY EVEN THOUGH IT'S DOGSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
China can barely function right now. Many of their citizens are starving to death. I see them complaining on weibo and shit all the time. This thread is dumb.
Nice bait
But unironically one of the amazing things about China and other east Asian countries is how great the food is and how much there is. You can go to some run down decrepit restaurant in the middle of nowhere and they'll be serving better food than Michelin star certified places.
>But unironically one of the amazing things about China and other east Asian countries is how great the food is and how much there is. You can go to some run down decrepit restaurant in the middle of nowhere and they'll be serving better food than Michelin star certified places.
Mmm deep fried dog in gutter oil.
I'm pretty sure dog cannot taste and feel like freshwater carp.
5 months ago
Anonymous
But then why do they call dogs, carp of the land?
5 months ago
Anonymous
?
I don't think anyone calls them that
If you're trying to be clever, fish and meat are so different in texture it's not possible to eat meat and think it's fish.
Now that Japan can plagiarize, I hope we get another Metal Gear Solid game. Maybe some indie team can rip some assets. I know Kojima doesn’t care anymore
"Plagiarism" in the video game industry has been common place for years. Shigeru Miyamoto has flat out stated that Pac-Land was a massive inspiration for Super Mario Bros. and a lot of the music in that game pulls heavily, if not directly, from music Koji Kondo liked to listen to at the time.
I think if you want to criticize something for being overly derivative you can (ex: Palworld's art style is very obviously inspired by Pokemon rather than having a distinctly unique artstyle like other collecting games such as Digimon, SMT, Dragon Quest Monsters, Yo-Kai Watch, etc.) but "plagiarism" in the video game sense has been common place for almost 50 years now and it usually leads to people being able to expand and improve on an idea moreso than just blatantly violate copyright
>Morality is just a cage for the weak.
Wrong. Morality is the reason why first world countries are first world, and third world countries remain third world. Things like basic social trust which enables businesses to function cannot exist without morality.
It's just that your conception of morality is overzealous and not shared by the population, and thankfully it isn't.
Morality is a weakness. Every weakness that holds humanity back must be eliminated. Humanity will be reduced to its purest form: a howling, snarling, bloodthirsty, vicious beast.
The weak will be purged until only the strong survive, and then the strong will be purged too, until only one person is left.
That person, the absolute strongest living thing in existence, will be the Best Grug, the ultimate lifeform, the winner of the game of life. Their reward will be eternal life, because everything that could possibly kill them no longer exists.
You can be the last man standing on a mountain of corpses in an empty world, or one of the bodies in the pile. Which do you prefer?
The world doesn't works this way. Countries with morality found it easier to adapt to modernity, industry and capitalism. They fielded mechanized armies with superior firepower that defeated the barbarians of the world. Civilization triumphs over barbarism and always will, especially in the age of technology.
Yes it does. The goal of evolution is to produce something strong enough to kill everything else.
If you aren't doing everything you can to eliminate every single possible threat to you, which is everyone and everything that isn't you, you deserve to die. Only by being absolutely alone can one be completely safe.
Kill. Kill until you run out of things to kill. Or die at the hands of someone who understands how things work.
Humanity is stagnating because of the ridiculous notion that the weak somehow deserve to exist. If we just stop protecting the weak from their own weakness, the world will become a better place overnight.
You claim all this yet you won't do shit. Curious.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I kill ten weaklings before breakfast. If the cops try to arrest me, I kill them too. I roar and snarl and bite until the not-mes submit to my superior will. Me strong. Me hunt. Me kill. Me eat. Me good.
living in fear of everyone and everything at all times isn't healthy anon
5 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly. So you have to get rid of everyone and everything that isn't you. That way, you will be safe forever.
The ideal mindset is that of an angry crocodile. Kill whatever you can't eat. Give in to your lizard brain.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Loser mentality. Get a family, get friends, join a guild or a cult, be part of something greater than yourself. Human is currently on top of food chain because of our ability to handle and communicate complex concepts which means your lizard brain mentality makes you the lone loser who dies alone, unmourned.
Things that are being poorly utilized deserve to be given, or taken by others and used better. If you can't do it right, hand it over to someone who can.
good, the industry is drowning in the blandness of originality and some cultural requirement to be as subversive as possible. bring on the rip offs that are better than the games they were inspired by please. the era of bing bing wahoo mario platformers and doom clones being plentiful was the golden age of gaming.
Actually Japanese products were notoriously regarded for plagiarism and cheap low quality within US before WW2 but since they became a defeated American colony, the narrative was changed to innovative and top quality. You may regard Japanese as based honorary Aryan trad samurais, but simply ask your grandpa what his dad thought of Japanese
>Not so fast! You didn't satisfy the demands of my copyright system, so you works are now public domain! - 20th century USA
Obviously frick 19th-21st century copyright, but plagiarism exists everywhere.
Hot take: plagiarism isnt bad.
It is bad though it stagnates innovation and creativity
we see that shit without plagiarism though
it has the opposite effect you gay
No, IP law does that by allowing people a monopoly over it instead of forcing a race to bottom of price and top- of quality.
If you can't do it better or use advertising to brainwash people into thinking you have, you don't deserve to be the one doing it by definition.
>If you can't do it better or use advertising to brainwash people into thinking you have, you don't deserve to be the one doing it by definition.
Absolute fricking child, "ideas" aren't free, if I invest millions of dollars and years developing something why should someone else be entitled to result of my investment of time and money for free?
Do you work for free?
Patents expire after 20 years. Game freak hasn't innovated or done anything new with Pokemon since creating it in 1996. They've reaped an enormous windfall. It makes zero sense to continue to protect them. That's why patents expire.
>Game freak hasn't innovated or done anything new with Pokemon since creating it in 1996.
So? It's their IP, their designs that they invested time and money into, they can do whatever the frick they want with it, including making terrible games or no games at all.
Someone not doing what you want with their IP doesn't justify stealing it or ripping it off.
>their designs that they invested time and money into
Good thing no one copied their designs.
>Plagiarism stifles innovation
>So what if they haven't innovated in 20 years
Ok anon thanks for contributing
these are not mutually exclusive points. companies buy out other IPs literally just to hoard all the time
You're a fricking moron.
First of all implying that Palworld is innovative is fricking laughable, it's the most derivative and generic shit imaginable, 90% of it is hobbled together from the devs other game, which is just an amalgamation of shit they've ripped off from other games, but lets pretend that it at least wanted to be "innovative", it should have done it without ripping off Pokemon's designs.
No one's saying that a "car" should be copyrighted prohibiting anyone else from ever making a car, but stealing someone's car design, engine design etc is lazy, is theft, and does stifle innovation because the original creator no longer has any incentive to create, and the person ripping them off is just putting out derivative stuff.
Is there's nothing new in palworld why are people buying it? Shouldn't they be playing the games that already have that gameplay?
Using popularity as a metric of quality, or originality is quite possibly the dumbest argument you could make.
I don't care about how popular it is. Even if it sold 1/10th the copies that means there was an audience for it that felt like it was worth their time instead of buying the simliar products.
So again. Where's the competitor to what palworld offers?
>Even if it sold 1/10th the copies that means there was an audience for it that felt like it was worth their time instead of buying the simliar products.
>instead of buying the similar products
See now you're just making up statistics to justify your lack of an argument.
Consumers consume, they don't just buy one or the other, do you just own one FPS? One racing game? One of whatever terrible shit has rotted your brain to this point?
I would wager the people who bought Palworld have some overlap with the 20+ million people who bought Pokemon Scarlet.
Just a hunch.
Seems like they were looking for something different.
>Steal idea and patent it
>sue anyone that uses it
>never bother using it yourself
These people are scum
Meanwhile Pokemon with the 52835th game having the same gameplay as the original gameboy game.
Yeah, allowing only one person or company to use an idea for decades or even centuries with no competition is the REAL way to stir creativity and innovation!
Smartest Ganker poster.
>instead of multiple companies trying to make the best version of the same game you just have one company making a really shitty remake
how about they make a new game with an innovative idea, dumbass? can't believe we have fricking mindless morons defending copy pasting now. consoomerism has rotten your brains real good
Literally all good ideas come from copying. If you weren't allowed to copy then there would be no Airbus only Boeing, no Samsung only Apple, no Toyota only Ford. No PlayStation only Nintendo.
>Literally all good ideas come from copying.
Funny how you just listed a bunch of companies that were created and successful as a result of innovation, not copying.
>Samsung didn't blatantly copy Apple and make worse phones
Literally the only reason why they were better is because they were cheaper. That's it. Samsung was even ordered by the court to pay damages to Apple. Despite all this, it's a good thing Samsung challenged Apple and broke their monopoly.
>romantic originality
moron, being derivative in media is ALWAYS a given.
>competition is bad for innovation
?, if a knockoff is making a dent in your mega corp you better believe the honorary frickers in Japan will do something, not in a legal sense more like a 5% increase in productivity and maybe PR.
>you better believe the honorary frickers in Japan will do something
Depends
Toshiba was just delisted recently. No one there gave a frick about their long decline.
Toshiba is the Yokai Watch of Monster RPGs.
Hot take: copyright for any work should only be recognised for 14 years
Renner!
This take is correct.
The entire first 4 generations of Pokemon games and all designs, music, setting and concepts therein should be public domain.
The extension of copyright protections through the bribing of politicians to become the horrible, century-long guarantee of corporate monopoly that it has become is a crime that has murdered the cultural landscape.
Why do you think corporations feel comfortable to make endless low-effort garbage, re-hashes, reboots and remakes?
It's because they don't actually have to put in the effort to stay competitive by innovating and improving on their ideas.
Culture has been dead for decades, copyright killed it.
Hot take: Hot chocolate milk is in fact, delicious.
Adjust the ratio and it's just hot chocolate
I loved russian and chinese bootlegs. At they weren't woke.
>At they weren't woke.
Rent free.
plagiarism is the only cure for american copyright laws.
noooo you can't just copy muh cartoon fighting animals!
Put everything in the public domain.
Palgarism
>CCP shills itt defending ip theft
Enjoy your 50 cents morons.
Just admit you hate competition monopolygay.
>Enjoy your 50 cents morons.
I don't listen to Black person music sorry Tyrone
copyright should be abolished, that way anyone can make a pokemon game and fans aren't held hostage by the Nintendo mafia
Plagiarism has existed before you were even born zoomer.
It's more like there aren't sufficiently stringent laws against this particular form of plagiarism. Chinese culture is incredibly shameless, yes, but that doesn't really mean anything.
Please show me how palworld is plagiarism. I'm waiting.
i don't like it
very weird that everyone just sorta turned on plagiarism once le heckin based japan did it when china's been doing this shit for years
Palworld dev is the most Chinese Japan-based company that has ever existed. I am honestly having trouble believing that their being in Japan isn't a front of some kind and they are actually from Shanghai.
Even if the devs show you their birth certificates, you morons will just spout bullshit like "They're Chinese in spirit."
Yes. Because their business practices are typical of a Chinese company. So yes. Not that people in Japan can't copy the shameless bullshit of China, just that it wouldn't be surprising if the company that was shameless in one way was also shameless in another.
>Because their business practices are typical of a Chinese company
LMAO go ahead and list these business practices and you will find countries other than China that practice them.
>LMAO
What's the matter too scared people will point out you're wrong?
I agree, just cause you steal shit all the time doesn't mean you have to justify your behavior. It's called having Will to Power.
I noticed tendies use the China boogeyman anytime they are threatened by a game (BG3 beating Totk, Palworld ripping off Pokemon). This is becoming sad. They’re crying just like the Russian hoax with Trump.
With BG3 you could say there was ten cent.
With palworld this China bullshit is quite literally Mueller russiahoax tier putin did it lunacy. There's not a single Chinese person involved. It's not clear who they think they're fooling.
Japan was literally the original China 60 years ago. They were copying and ripping off shit left and right.
China is clearly paying people to steal nintendo's assets
>Take something
>make a better version of it
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT IMPROVE ON MY SACRED GROUND!!!!!! IT'S HOLY EVEN THOUGH IT'S DOGSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
China can barely function right now. Many of their citizens are starving to death. I see them complaining on weibo and shit all the time. This thread is dumb.
Nice bait
But unironically one of the amazing things about China and other east Asian countries is how great the food is and how much there is. You can go to some run down decrepit restaurant in the middle of nowhere and they'll be serving better food than Michelin star certified places.
>But unironically one of the amazing things about China and other east Asian countries is how great the food is and how much there is. You can go to some run down decrepit restaurant in the middle of nowhere and they'll be serving better food than Michelin star certified places.
Mmm deep fried dog in gutter oil.
I never found any place serving dog despite all the talk about it. Maybe you have to go to specific towns for it.
>he thinks it's sold as "dog"
lol
lmfao
I'm pretty sure dog cannot taste and feel like freshwater carp.
But then why do they call dogs, carp of the land?
?
I don't think anyone calls them that
If you're trying to be clever, fish and meat are so different in texture it's not possible to eat meat and think it's fish.
>Japan a good boy he gonna be a doctor!
He says pretending the Japanese didn't built their entire country off plagiarism.
Haha holy shit, especially the seinfeld one
At least they made some small attempt at hiding the other one
Now that Japan can plagiarize, I hope we get another Metal Gear Solid game. Maybe some indie team can rip some assets. I know Kojima doesn’t care anymore
"Plagiarism" in the video game industry has been common place for years. Shigeru Miyamoto has flat out stated that Pac-Land was a massive inspiration for Super Mario Bros. and a lot of the music in that game pulls heavily, if not directly, from music Koji Kondo liked to listen to at the time.
I think if you want to criticize something for being overly derivative you can (ex: Palworld's art style is very obviously inspired by Pokemon rather than having a distinctly unique artstyle like other collecting games such as Digimon, SMT, Dragon Quest Monsters, Yo-Kai Watch, etc.) but "plagiarism" in the video game sense has been common place for almost 50 years now and it usually leads to people being able to expand and improve on an idea moreso than just blatantly violate copyright
Who needs plagiarism when you can outright steal?
>China has normalized plagiarism for the entire west and Japan.
Give the chinks a break, those without souls cannot create
If you can't stop people from stealing your ideas, that's a you problem.
The only way to get ahead is to lie, cheat, and steal without restraint.
Morality is just a cage for the weak.
>Morality is just a cage for the weak.
Wrong. Morality is the reason why first world countries are first world, and third world countries remain third world. Things like basic social trust which enables businesses to function cannot exist without morality.
It's just that your conception of morality is overzealous and not shared by the population, and thankfully it isn't.
Morality is a weakness. Every weakness that holds humanity back must be eliminated. Humanity will be reduced to its purest form: a howling, snarling, bloodthirsty, vicious beast.
The weak will be purged until only the strong survive, and then the strong will be purged too, until only one person is left.
That person, the absolute strongest living thing in existence, will be the Best Grug, the ultimate lifeform, the winner of the game of life. Their reward will be eternal life, because everything that could possibly kill them no longer exists.
You can be the last man standing on a mountain of corpses in an empty world, or one of the bodies in the pile. Which do you prefer?
The world doesn't works this way. Countries with morality found it easier to adapt to modernity, industry and capitalism. They fielded mechanized armies with superior firepower that defeated the barbarians of the world. Civilization triumphs over barbarism and always will, especially in the age of technology.
>The world doesn't works this way
Yes it does. The goal of evolution is to produce something strong enough to kill everything else.
If you aren't doing everything you can to eliminate every single possible threat to you, which is everyone and everything that isn't you, you deserve to die. Only by being absolutely alone can one be completely safe.
Kill. Kill until you run out of things to kill. Or die at the hands of someone who understands how things work.
Humanity is stagnating because of the ridiculous notion that the weak somehow deserve to exist. If we just stop protecting the weak from their own weakness, the world will become a better place overnight.
You claim all this yet you won't do shit. Curious.
I kill ten weaklings before breakfast. If the cops try to arrest me, I kill them too. I roar and snarl and bite until the not-mes submit to my superior will. Me strong. Me hunt. Me kill. Me eat. Me good.
living in fear of everyone and everything at all times isn't healthy anon
Exactly. So you have to get rid of everyone and everything that isn't you. That way, you will be safe forever.
The ideal mindset is that of an angry crocodile. Kill whatever you can't eat. Give in to your lizard brain.
Loser mentality. Get a family, get friends, join a guild or a cult, be part of something greater than yourself. Human is currently on top of food chain because of our ability to handle and communicate complex concepts which means your lizard brain mentality makes you the lone loser who dies alone, unmourned.
Things that are being poorly utilized deserve to be given, or taken by others and used better. If you can't do it right, hand it over to someone who can.
>Palworld was made by Chi- ACK
As long as more factorio clones get made I don't care. I will play them all.
Next on my list of factorio-likes to try is Desynced
good, the industry is drowning in the blandness of originality and some cultural requirement to be as subversive as possible. bring on the rip offs that are better than the games they were inspired by please. the era of bing bing wahoo mario platformers and doom clones being plentiful was the golden age of gaming.
Actually Japanese products were notoriously regarded for plagiarism and cheap low quality within US before WW2 but since they became a defeated American colony, the narrative was changed to innovative and top quality. You may regard Japanese as based honorary Aryan trad samurais, but simply ask your grandpa what his dad thought of Japanese
>Not so fast! You didn't satisfy the demands of my copyright system, so you works are now public domain! - 20th century USA
Obviously frick 19th-21st century copyright, but plagiarism exists everywhere.