Now hold on there, pardner. While 3, 4, and 5 are funner games overall, I do think 1 has enough merits to earn it's spot on someone's list. Now when kamiyagays roll in and say 1 is the best game in the series and the other games suck, that's when shit is just moronic.
You can pull shit like this in any DMC game with the mook enemies though. I'm not even kidding. Just get up somewhere elevated and most mooks can't do shit to you. What's this supposed to prove?
>DMC 3 before the series went to shit >DMC 5 is basically DMC 3 but if it good
Do you people even play these games or just come here to spout whatever dogshit you can out of your mouth?
>DMC 3 before the series went to shit >DMC 5 is basically DMC 3 but if it good
Do you people even play these games or just come here to spout whatever dogshit you can out of your mouth?
>DMC 5 is basically DMC 3 but if it good >3 playable characters instead of 1 >bloated moveset >no crazy combos >no free ride >no wallrunning >no stun values >more docile enemies
Take an air hike
>3 playable characters instead of 1
That's a good thing >bloated moveset >no crazy combos
This is bait, right? >no wallrunning
shit mechanic no one cares about
>That's a good thing >having 3 shitty characters instead of one good one is good
You'll love the Dinasty Warrior series >This is bait, right?
Crazy Combos are still somewhat present but only on a few strings. 3 had two of them for every weapon. >shit mechanic no one cares about
Sure, instead of taking what was present and refining it they should just throw everything in the trash. I can't wait for DMC6 to drop SDT then.
>no stun values
5 has stun values, not sure why you think it doesn't
Not in the way 3 did. 5 has super armor that gets drained and after that you can launch or knock an enemy. In 3 you had to use a lancher or a knockback move after you drained the super armor and if you used another move then you would reset it, while in 5 you can do whatever and launch them still.
>having 3 shitty characters instead of one good one is good
None of them are shitty though. Dante's the best he's ever been, with arguably a much better arsenal compared to the shit we he in 3. Nero is more fun in 5 then he was in 4 with the different breakers. V is the only character that isn't up to par, but he's nowhere near as terrible as people make it out to be. Don't forget that Vergil is also the best he's ever been, and far better compared to his bare-bones simplistic counterpart in 3.
That's not what stun values are (or at least, what I'm referring to). Kimd of a shitty name but that's what the mechanic has been called by the community
>3 playable characters instead of 1
You mean 4. Variety is the spice of life. I like having the option to switch up playstyles to utterly and completely between characters when I feel like it and all of them including V are far from shitty despite the memes. >bloated moveset
Sounds like a skill issue to me. Everyone except maybe V feels full of options but perfectly rounded out. Even Dante with his litany of moves and weapons has insane customization to allow you to approach any situation exactly how you want it. >no crazy combos
homie what? >no free ride >no wallrunning
Fair enough. I do really want those back. But in the mean time we have cavalier, actual flying with SDT, triple jump, butterfly jump, riding on a shadow, and riding a rocket arm so I'm not hurting too much. >no stun values
Yes there are. >inb4 dmc3 that was only the case with a handful of enemies who were designed that way. Same shit in 5 but with more flexibility in how to approach the situation with them instead of being locked into using the same tactic on repeat whenever those enemies showed up. >more docile enemies
Arguably. There were enemies in 3 who just stood there, hid behind shit, those angel frickers who just flew in circles and ducked behind their shield and god help you if they went into the wall, the birds that turned that into stone so you can just you wail on them, the fricking chess pieces, the bomb homie, etc etc.
>Everyone except maybe V feels full of options but perfectly rounded out
Most of Dante's ground combos and basic shots are shit and almost never worth using, same as Nero's RQ ground combos. >Yes there are
See
>That's a good thing >having 3 shitty characters instead of one good one is good
You'll love the Dinasty Warrior series >This is bait, right?
Crazy Combos are still somewhat present but only on a few strings. 3 had two of them for every weapon. >shit mechanic no one cares about
Sure, instead of taking what was present and refining it they should just throw everything in the trash. I can't wait for DMC6 to drop SDT then.
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Not in the way 3 did. 5 has super armor that gets drained and after that you can launch or knock an enemy. In 3 you had to use a lancher or a knockback move after you drained the super armor and if you used another move then you would reset it, while in 5 you can do whatever and launch them still.
>Arguably
On average they are at least. In 5 there are some enemies that are pretty aggressive and also well designed, but most of the other don't attack as often as they should, and (most importantly) can't keep up with the insane mobility the characters have. In 3 there are some duds as you said, but most of the basic enemies were pretty set on wanting you dead. There is a mod for 5 that makes the enemies more aggressive and it's great but it also completely breaks some enemies (Riots not running towards you anymore, Nobodies literally covering the floor with eyeballs regardless of the mask etc.). I hope that the dude that made it will fix it someday.
Literally prove it?
Stop using objectively like you're actually bringing facts to the discussion you mental midget.
It's not meant to happen which is why it just completely resets Nero's animation state. Getting it to happen at all is a b***h and a half, let alone learning to make it happen consistently
Sounds like some moronic Void tier glitch only good for combo wanking in the void, not even interesting looking enough to warrant batting an eye over
Meanwhile the most interesting combos in both 4 and 5 are just Dante's natural mechanics well put together and can function in actual organic gameplay.
>APMtards
I hate you homosexuals so much it's unbelievable. In a series that is about the most stylish combos you boil everything down to how many buttons you can press in a minute and somehow manage to take away every semblance of style from the game in the first place.
2 years ago
Anonymous
this, i can do sword trick sword trick for 30 min,that doesn't make the combo stylish,just mindless skill that even a monkey can do after a bit of practice
Feel free to prove how the Nero in a less glitchy game with far less moves somehow have a higher APM skill ceiling than 5Nero, a more glitchy game with access to far more moves at any given time. Although I do not see the logic.
spbp
Nero in 4 was naive, but a quick learner and a fun "typical teenager" character. I enjoyed watching him be suddenly plunged into the world of devil hunting.
Nero in 5 was late-game DmC Dante in every way imaginable. That character worked in DmC because we saw him steadily grow throughout the game to reach that point. But airlifting just that end-state to DMC5 leaves us with a flat personality.
Nero in 5 is an adult in his mid-twenties and he's running a business to provide for his family and an orphanage. He is a lot more responsible, but he is still young and dumb and carries all the same personality traits and ultimately also the same character flaws that he has in 4. Saying he is just DmC Donte is some of the most moronic shit ever.
Most people never realize how responsible Nero actually is. Hell, he's far more responsible than Dante, because unlike him, he can keep a running business while also being able to pay his bills and provide food for his family. Nero may be a wienery butthole at times, but he has life figured out at 25, something Dante still can't do in his late 40's.
>Nero in 5 was late-game DmC Dante in every way imaginable. >That character worked in DmC because we saw him steadily grow throughout the game to reach that point.
Donte is just Vorgol’s errand boy until Vorgol fricks up his reveal while 5’s Nero activity goes against Dante’s wishes for him not be face Urizen. Unlike Donte, Neto is suspicious of V, feels he has something to prove to both himself and Dante, and ends up preserving what family he has left instead of pushing it away. He’s more lite hearted than Donte in his taunts/interactions and his frick you/middle finger(Nero gave the bird to Dante in 4 before Donte) was out of anger at Vergil’s BULLSHIT.
You got your Sparda game already. People choose to make Dante combo MADs for a decade and only accepted Nero as cool when he looked like Donte instead.
>bayonetta crashed and burned with nintendo
Nintendo literally saved the franchise anon and it's getting a 3rd entry and Bayo got into Smash.
Bayonetta crashed and burned after the very first game, then Nintendo came in and saved the series.
As much as I've come to dislike the guy's obsession with arcade gimmicks, you have to admit bringing him back for DMC6 or a DMC1 would be a used as a huge marketing highlight if it ever happened. It would allow them to get the attention of fans from bayo, resident evil, and of course the original DMC. It's the same principle of movie trailers using "from the studio that brought you X", it works well at reeling in people that liked or at least remember a previuous product.
If there is one thing a DMC character should never be it's old. Dante was old in DMC5. He looked tired, sounded tired, he sighed all the time and grimaced like his back hurt, no one wants to watch that. For whom is this DMC?
You crotchety Gankerietcongs, Dante's really got to say goodbye to you three times before you hang up doesn't he.
Alright: "should never act old".
For an action setting, for DMC, explosive youthful energy is what's needed or else it's depressing or the tonality becomes all wrong. Don't make Dante into a Harisson Ford please just let him go and if he really must come back for a third last hurra then i hope Reuben can fire it up in the voice booth.
>Don't make Dante into a Harisson Ford please
But one of Ford's defining traits was always that he was a bit pathetic. Even when he was looking hot playing Indie he was always b***hing about something. One of the biggest character traits he had was his irrational fear of snakes and the third film had Sean Connery nagging at him all the way through.
Dante has always been the same. Somewhat goofy and down on his luck but always pulls through when he needs to.
>but always pulls through when he needs to.
I think 4 was the worst at conveying Dante, we see in 1, 2 and 3 how willing he is to either die or get trapped in hell if it is for the sake of the greater good, living up to his father's legacy, yet in 4 he's only clowning around.
Deadly Fortune adds so much to DMC4 Dante despite his overall actions being the exact same as the game that you'd think they weren't written by the same person.
Stuff like him not being too worried about the civilians after the Hellgates open because he has faith in The Order to keep up their falseflag, as well as complete faith in Trish's abilities to get people to safety.
One part I particularly like is his curiosity as to whether his father really lived in Fortuna and him trying to find signs of that in Fortuna Castle and the library. Trish even notices the way Dante subconsciously reacts to Lady mentioning Sparda when she first brought them the job.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've said it many times, Deadly Fortune is only damage control by Bingo trying his hardest to keep it canon and not just rewritting 4 into the story he actually wanted it to be.
But I'm curious, does Dante have any reaction to the Angelos? he should have.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bingo's always been pretty upfront about what Deadly Fortune is. Part of it is reintroducing the story beats he couldn't include in the original DMC4 and the other part is new stuff that he came up with after 4.
I don't recall Dante having any particular reaction to the Angelos.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think the Angelos really have enough resemblance to Nelo Angelo that you'd immediately make the connection at a glance. If anything it'd be more sensible to believe that they're completely unrelated.
Cringekino as a phrase is such nihilistic bullshit. Say you like something or don’t. Hiding your enjoyment behind “it’s so bad it’s good” fricking sucks
5 Nero is like a babby version of Dante, 1 gun, 1 sword and breakers and exceed to try and make up for his lack of depth
It's fun for a while but it's just not a character you wanna spend that much time with, he's a character that's there to teach you the ropes so you can move onto Dante with the big boys, he's deadweight.
I play Nero for chill and unga from time to time. You know when i don't feel like breaking my fricking fingers and feeling like I'm doing cocaine. sometimes i just want to turn my brain off and buster motherfrickers is that so wrong? plus he's still a lot of fun.
I like how even after the Order of the Sword's true nature was revealed and they became his enemies, he still can't completely get rid of his ties to them, hence his DT resembling an "angel".
He has no real reason to like it considering he had no friends there aside from Credo and Kyrie. He had nothing but disdain for "His Holiness" or his teachings and was generally a loner.
All of them except buster arm (this one is technically for counters, not parries) >overture parries big and wide >gerbera is the dedicated parry arm >punchline parry with either the launch animation or any of the ride mode tricks >helter skelter is a continuous but focused parry window >tomboy lock-on lunge parries big and wide >rawhide parries in 360 >ragtime lets you SEE the parry window in real time
But if the question is between hide and skelter specifically, go with hide overall. The whip is better to tackle enemies that attack fast and from multiple angles (riots, fury), while the drill is better for precise linear parries (antenora on berserk charge, proto angelo counter). Again, overall all breakers have decent but very different parry properties that it's worth experimenting with.
Nero, personally, but I very much appreciate the depht of Dante and how much his gameplay resembles his 3 version instead of 4's. I wish V was good as them, not talking about depht, but overall gameplay feeling.
Dante looks like an old man that smokes all night and day at His trailer. He's not as handsome as He was in 4 and frankly, They should have just recycled the Dante model from 4. His looks are sort of a turn off for Me to want to play this game.
Vergil is the one that looks bad in V, he looks bogged with hedgehog hair. He didn't look great in 4 either, to be fair. They should've just made him look like an older version of his DMC3 concept art, instead of the monstrosity we got in DMCV.
i was watching the stream on my phone while being barely awake at my nightshift job, i legit couldnt tell what the frick was going on until nero revved the sword
Does anyone have high quality versions of these models? I found them in the DMC HD collection yet neither of them appear online especially in the wiki.
>the series has been about dante since the beginning >nerogays who weren't even alive before 9/11 come in here thinking the series should get handed off to nero for some reason
I guarantee if that happens DMC will die
nero is damn boring in terms of gameplay an in terms of story
Fortunately, Dante will keep getting pity playable sections to make you buy the game again. The sooner you accept that they will never reach what they did with him in 1 and 3 the better, not even with a whole new game only for him they could, he peaked in 3, and they somehow made him peak in 5 again despite him only getting the second half of the game.
Don't think they'll pull it off a third time. There is no more room for he himself to grow, only to be the mentor to Nero and a guiding light for Vergil.
I sure can't wait for Dante to get his fifth set of gauntlets, the new DT consuming/wacky gun and a remake of an old Devil Arm but with "King" or "Queen' in the title.
DSD needed actual new moves though.
>the new DT consuming/wacky gun
DMC1: Grenade Gun and Nightmare Beta
DMC2: Missile Launcher
DMC3: Kalina Ann and Artemis
DMC4: Pandora
DMC5: TWO Kalina Anns and Dr. Faust
How do they keep getting away with it? it's embarrasing.
Nero is useless baggage. If they kill him off and just remove his character altogether, most people would not care.
Nero is a forced protagonist to appeal to effeminate zoomer twinks.
>if Nero's really here to be a mainstay and replace Dante then why is he such a downgrade to him and Vergil gameplay-wise?
That's because he's not. Are morons going to start saying ;uke will replace Ryu or Mario will be replaced by his nephew morono.
Nero has such a mediocre and forgettable character design.
I don't care about secondaries, of course they wouldn't know, look no further than in the games' covers.
1-3 have Dante dead center
4's got Nero and Dante's in the background, at first glance you might not even notice him. Now 5 pities Dante and V by having them to the side, but who's in the center? the actual protagonist of the story.
But don't worry you crybaby, they will never get rid of Dante as they know you will buy the game anyways if he's in even for three missions only.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>X IS MORE IMPORTANT NOW BECAUSE OF COVER ART
Lol look at this delusional moron. It's especially pathetic when you have to steal insults that were used towards you as if you aren't like a child about this
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>X IS MORE IMPORTANT NOW BECAUSE OF COVER ART
I was just using another clear example to see if you can finally get it in your head, seems like you can't. Do you really need Dante himself to tell you for a third time he's leaving things off to Nero? are you mentally challenged?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I was just using another clear example to see if you can finally get it in your head
lol yeah because all your other examples really validated your point >Do you really need Dante himself to tell you for a third time he's leaving things off to Nero?
nice non-argument >are you mentally challenged?
Are you done yet? Guess who's coming back for DMC 6, 7, & 8, dipshit? Ah yes, the mascot of the entire franchise since it's his story and always will be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nerotards will never learn
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the mascot is coming back!! >to do the game in reverse or get nothing but a third of the campaign? i'm buying it.
Dantegays lose the right to call anyone insecure when they throw autismo fits at the slightest possibility/mention of Nero and him taking up the torch of his uncle. If you were truly secure, you wouldn't be shitting up the thread with your sperging yet here you are seething and making actual Dantechads look bad because clearly you are worried about it to your own detriment. Relax. Dante's not going anywhere anytime soon my boy.
>calling someone insecure because they think multiple people who share the same thoughts are samegayging which he ended up getting BTFO on >suddenly I'm the butthole who's making others look bad
You're as big of a moron as he is if you can't even follow the conversation that you're b***hing about.
>implying that means anything when there's been multiple ways to get around being outed for samegayging for years
Kek. And please I'm not reading all your b***hing. It's literally always the same shit with you guys ad infinitum, sans the 'Nero is Itsuno's OC' argument this time. Maybe if I felt you actually had something worth reading this time that wasn't the same old tired whining again, I could maybe be arsed to bother to follow the conversation next time. As for this instance? I just had to home in on that particular response because again you dantetards are so fricking insecure it's laughable to me that you would ever have the gall to use that word to describe anyone else seeing the shit-flinging that started the moment you started sperging meanwhile the Nerogays were just content to happily talk about their boy. Like, I'm not even mad I just thought that was hilariously hypocritical.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm not going to read the shit that I was b***hing about but please read my drivel of a paragraph which probably adds nothing to the conversation but more complaining
Insecure and dumb as shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aww. Did I happen to strike a nerve pointing out you're just as predictable as much as you are a hypocrite? I'm really not complaining so much as I'm making an observation and saying what I found hilarious about your 'groups' repetitive and nonsensical actions but of course wouldn't know the difference.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh so basically you were the guy crying samegay who is now pretending to be someone else
2 years ago
Anonymous
But of course, anon. Everyone's the same person on this site, haven't you been paying attention? I just dont know why you felt the need to reply to me twice. Odd.
>Arius was a third-century Christian priest who was deemed a heretic due to his assertion that Christ the Son was not eternal, and had not existed before he was begotten.
It would be kind of funny if he was a Sparda or Dante denier. Like straight up asking him if the whole "Son of Sparda" thing is just a show. >When Matier meets Dante, she requests to "handle Arius and his master". This seems to imply that Arius was already influenced in some way by Argosax before ever performing the ritual. His further degradation into demonhood due to Argosax's powers seem to confirm this.
Argosax/Despair Embodied needs some fleshing out too.
Arius was motivated to seek out argosax by a certain man who defeated his dolls ages ago, making him realize his petty sorcery wasn't nearly enough and he needed the power of a true devil. The strongest devil. It then turns out this man was vergil and the mayhem he caused btfo'ing arius and his forces is what allowed Lucia to escape and be found by Matier. We can even include a scene of Vergil initially planned to kill her like the rest but spared her on a whim out of sympathy for a fellow 'lost soul' but rationalized it as him just not seeing any worth in killing a doll with no heart of it's own. This is part of what makes Lucia get attracted to DMC2 Dante in particular because his demeanor reminds her of that man who accidentally granted her freedom though she can't really remember. Hire me capcom.
Pretty much. We know Vergil went around looking into Sparda's legend. It makes sense he'd stop in Vie de Marli at some point too. A conversation between him and Matier could be hilarious as frick with her giving no shits about his big bad demon power because his fathers was 'bigger' and Vergil ultimately having just enough respect for an ally of his father not to kill her but only just a little.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Vergil gets supposedly trapped in hell after DMC1 >Dante goes to hell at the end of DMC2 but they never found each other
Fricked up ain't it? chronologically DMC2 and 4 Vergil is just the aids Vergil from 5.
There could be a way. The "DMC2" name is cursed, but it can become appealing if you rebrand it into a DLC campaign inside a DMC1 remake. Give it a whole new title, like "Shadow of Uroboros" or something. And this is why compressing and mashing the missions together as suggests
>DMC2 remake, Dante's campaign >they cut down his 18 missions down to 10 just by mashing them together >kill Despair Embodied and think it's over >Mission 11: All The Way To Hell
is ideal. There's so much you can do if you cut the filler and rework the good stuff into something more consistent.
A DMC2 remake can market itself via the "remake bad games and make them good instead of remaking good games and making them bad" discourse alone.
If this weren't the case there wouldn't be so many people asking for DMC2RE, and if you do 1 first, then people will already be expecting the next one, aside from the fact that it would bring new gays.
I'd play as Dante if they got rid of style switching or at least didn't make his attacks feel so vapid most of the time. Aside from his DT moves in 4, I haven't felt any weight behind his offense since 3.
>"I'll take that momentum and send it right back"
Just by having a way to parry his charge it would have made the fight better. That and Geryon just being faster/skipping time around the arena to get you than the obnoxious slowdown.
Having him always back away and his main offensive option being only Cavaliere's lightning shots makes him feel more barebones than 3Geryon. The nobelty and nostalgia of fighting him goes away after the first playthrough, and by DMD he is damage sponge that takes way too fricking long to kill as V.
>That and Geryon just being faster/skipping time around the arena to get you than the obnoxious slowdown.
Anon, he already does that.
>Having him always back away and his main offensive option being only Cavaliere's lightning shots makes him feel more barebones than 3Geryon.
The whole fight is designed around checking you on how you play V. His ranged attacks, AoEs, time bubbles and high movement are natural counters to V's playstyle with multiple parts and if you're not paying attention you're either getting hit or getting your pets killed. His bullets even get doubled in higher difficulties so that he can hit more than two things at once. You're supposed to play a more defensive role rather than go simply go chasing after him and going ham.
I also don't think he was meant to feel like that much of a standalone fight given he's not in BP and he's half Cavaliere. It's not unlike the first two Urizen fights.
>Anon, he already does that.
Minimal speed bump, and the whole screen gets that awful filter on top, I mean that he should look as if he's teleporting. The battle isn't hard, but it becomes boring if you can't line up Nightmare to melt him.
I find it interesting (but ultimately dislike) that elder geryon is an exaggeratedly asymmetrical attacker. What I mean by this is, geryon itself only has one attack, kicking you with its hindlegs, so you're completely safe from it on the front. Meanwhile cavaliere is physically limited by its setting: he holds the spear on his right hand, so he can only hit to the right side, he can't turn 360 and geryon can't turn while he attacks, so if you place yourself behind the horse (or even just far off to the side) the electric projectiles can't hit you anymore and he straight up stops the attack short (in SoS/DMD where he shoots 5 in a row, he can stop after just 2 or 3 if you are no longer in reach).
It's an interesting concept and contrast to nidhogg's more wide and unescapable nature (when vines are alive), but I can't really bring myself to like the boss just based on it. Those blind spots aren't that interesting for V since the attack supposed to work around it, the AoE lightning, is something V can always dodge perfectly as long as shadow is alive, so you got a boss with multiple blindspots that can't really hit you in most positions. I think I'd like it more if he had more tools to deal with you, but less spastic movement.
I don't understand, if Nero's really here to be a mainstay and replace Dante then why is he such a downgrade to him and Vergil gameplay-wise?
He literally still has the same 1gun/1devil arm setup, did Itsuno think it was enough to just slap a few breakers and exceed again for me to care?
The second I unlocked Dante I never though about Nero in all my 5 playtime except to BP with him for the achievement.
He can't get all the new shit you want him to get if Dante is still there. Doesn't take away from the fact that Red Queen mogs the frick out of any Dante or Vergil sword.
>if Nero's really here to be a mainstay and replace Dante then why is he such a downgrade to him and Vergil gameplay-wise?
That's because he's not. Are morons going to start saying ;uke will replace Ryu or Mario will be replaced by his nephew morono.
Nero is babby's first action game character (and not even a good one at that). As long as he's forced to stay in the same game as Dante he can't be properly developed
Ignore the Nero haters.
Thinking of continuing my HaH playthrough for 5 tonight. At mission 07 and I remember struggling with that mission for weeks when I played through DMD.
Nowadays I'd like to call myself better than I was, but I still expect to get my ass handed to me by all the goddamn riots.
Can someone explain why 5 has the ugliest artstyle ever? It looks like a BioWare game for FRICKS sake. Why couldn't it have anime realistic artstyle like FFXV at least?
Some of you morons make me ashamed of liking Dante. I'm going to go full contrarian, I want DMC6 to only have Nero, make him shine like it's his DMC3, as purists die of envy, out of spite.
Dante probably should retire though if this is really where they're going with everything. Maybe go out with a bang sealing some massive threat like his dad did.
This is realistically not going to happen because they cannot sell a DMC game without him. The franchise is not big enough to simply be carried by another character. It's a bad business decision
Sure but if they're gonna insist on making time actually pass, you're gonna have to do it sooner or later. Unless they wanna just end the series outright.
If you want a character to stick around forever, you don't age him. But if that's not a concern, do what you want. He's getting older, and he'll be even older still in the next game. I guess you could still insist on keeping him around like with Chris in Resident Evil, but if you're absolutely gonna insist on keeping up the flow of time within your fictional world, you're gonna have to adhere to its rules.
I don't see why they keep doing this huge timeskips. But if it comes to the point characters are getting old, they could always do a DMC3 again, specially with Dante. Come on, you're telling me Nero didn't have any adventures between 4 and 5 after he opened his bussiness?
Nero will just become a villain and then after he's dead, all future games will just be prequels unless they do grandpa Dante in which he dies in the end. Then it will undoubtedly be prequels after that.
You're not going to get any more prequels because that means backtracking on things like DSD, the Devil Breakers and World of V. DMC3 was a one time thing because the canon was barely established then and DMC1 and 2 weren't all that complex, but DMC5 had massive story beats tied to the mechanics. No one wants to play a DMC6 where you're playing as Dante but can't use SDT for story reasons.
>No one wants to play a DMC6 where you're playing as Dante but can't use SDT for story reasons.
As if such a thing as canon has ever stopped them before when it comes to gameplay. With that way of thinking you shouldn't have access to Majin DT in 2, or Nero's DT in 5 outside of the fight against Vergil. They will always find a way to circunvate it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>As if such a thing as canon has ever stopped them
You're the one asking for prequels due to story events. Don't contradict yourself, do they matter or not?
Answer: They totally do.
2 years ago
Anonymous
no I was the one asking for prequels
2 years ago
Anonymous
They could make prequels to cover huge these huge time skips, and you unlock something like SDT for a second playthrough. I just want them to have solo games and mainline they're together.
That's just a dead end. And if that's how they wanted to do things, then they wouldn't have such massive time skips between games. Dante's on his way out. I mean he's not THAT old, but action game heroes tend to have expiration dates. While I personally wouldn't mind seeing a 60-year-old Dante continue fighting the good fight, I don't really think that's what's gonna happen.
Nero will just become a villain and then after he's dead, all future games will just be prequels unless they do grandpa Dante in which he dies in the end. Then it will undoubtedly be prequels after that.
To be honest, I don't think that's a huge concern. The reality is that Nero just isn't as important as the Son of Sparda. Even if he gets to get the biggest story beats, well, frankly, it's Dante's who the Christ figure of DMC, not Nero. That hasn't changed even in 5.
>Nero just isn't as important
Wrong. >it's Dante's who the Christ figure of DMC,
Black person that's literally Sparda. Even if Dante will still be in, they've insisted with trusting him to keep the human world safe.
I choose the alternate timeline where 5Nero looks more similar to 4 and keeps the physical Bringer.
5 is great, but a part of the kid that really liked chuuni shit and got into the series for Nero still hasn't left me.
A different kind of chuuni, I guess. I really liked the more anime-like aesthetic, and "holy shit this guy is a half demon with a glowing demon arm that can punch the shit out of everything" really spoke to me.
Also I like blue.
While I prefer chad cyborg arm Nero, I can understand preferring 4 Nero's aesthetic. I also kind of miss the actually demon arm too even if the narrative behind him getting back his human arm is unironically kino.
>all these people talking about what would or wouldn't make sense or be financially secure >when talking about the company that thought DMC2 and DmC were a good idea
Have you learned nothing?
It's a mess. Get Assault Spy instead if you want DMC at home, or at least The Wonderful 101 since it's the better Kamiya action game (but still has dumb shit in it).
Can you explain to me why Bayonetta is bad? Without mentioning instadeath QTEs, that is. Always thought it was a rather stupid complaint, considering there are only like, 5 of them in the entire game.
QTEs, absolutely awful bossfights, overabundance of pointless cutscenes, overreliance on style, dial-a-combos
Bayonetta is DMC if it style over substance: the game. And you should feel bad about yourself for liking it.
>QTE
Guess you didn't read my post. Oh well, whatever. >absolutely awful bossfights
There aren't a lot of action games with good boss fights. Besides, Jeanne and Balder are great. >overabundance of pointless cutscenes
RT + Back/Select. You're welcome. >overreliance on style
What the frick is that supposed to mean? >dial-a-combos
What's your point here? What's wrong with dial-a-combos?
I haven't played it myself, but from what I've seen it looks like a good time. If it's that cheap there's no harm in trying it out yourself and forming your own opinion on it.
To this day, I don't believe have ever felt more lied to by a game's opening sequence than with DMC2. Immense praise to the guy who managed to make it actually look like a fantastic game though.
He's always been the main character. what? you thought this was actually dante's story? have you not been paying attention to who this is really all about?
I think using V as some contrived method of bringing back Virgil not only ruined the weight of Virgil’s sacrifice and death but also bafflingly threw away a new great character just to give stupid fanboys what they wanted by shamelessly rehashing ideas. There was nothing wrong with using him as a different playable mode that wasn’t canon to the actual story.
>he thinks Kamiya was never bringing back Vergil again
They don't even show him explicitely dying. Cope.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why are you acting so dumb? Kamiya never had any intentions of ever making another DMC. He never follows up on his work. I get that you like Virgil but how can you not admit that it’s literally just a unimaginative burying up of former iconography like putting stormtroopers and star destroyers in every new Star Wars movie? Anon, you just might have to admit that YOU are a raving raving fanboy blinded by nostalgia
2 years ago
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ywnbaw
2 years ago
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Aaaaaaand we’re done.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>vIrgil >Star Wars
that's all I needed to know. Why would Kamiya complain that they made DMC2 without even consulting him? why would he talk about ideas and DMC games he would like to make then?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>each time you defeat Nelo he teleports in a blue aura >last time he is gaining conciousness and when you defeat him he disappears in guess what, a blue aura
You are actively trying to convince yourself he died.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Kamiya never had any intentions of ever making another DMC.
Directing another DMC, you mean. He'd definitely work on another DMC, as a writer.
He's always been the main character. what? you thought this was actually dante's story? have you not been paying attention to who this is really all about?
Yes, you need Dante to hold the "superior" position (mentor, teacher, daddy/uncle) so Nero can seethe about it. I wonder how their post 5 dynamic would evolve since Nero isn't trying to prove himself as much.
I don't know, Nero achieved power and he knows for what it is: mostly to protect what's dear to him. Of course Nero also has a lust for power, just like all the Spardas since they love fightan (which is appropriate for this kind of game), but it's more reasonable than Vergil's.
Nero doesn't have anything to prove anymore, he couldn't save Credo, but he saved Dante and Vergil. He can actually be confident about his "power to protect" or whatever.
Yes, so I wonder how they'll write him in 6.
Same for Vergil, he achieved power and reunited with his family. He wont be as edgy as before and that's neat in a way, but I wonder how they'll make the character cast work without conflict between them. Maybe they can keep some reasonable edge so they can still clash a little, not too seriously but still.
Vergil will try to embrace humanity but Moondust returning will be pushing him over the edge at the same time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't want him to regress, but maybe he could disagree with Dante about the best way to handle a situation. Maybe he could even be proven right, but ultimately fail, before they eventually succeed by uniting their forces/visions/contributions.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If Vergil truly changed, then that kind of pressure is perfect to prove it. Maybe have Moondust kill Trish (for real this time) so Dante is the one that needs calming.
Nero doesn't have anything to prove anymore, he couldn't save Credo, but he saved Dante and Vergil. He can actually be confident about his "power to protect" or whatever.
>DMC2 remake, Dante's campaign >they cut down his 18 missions down to 10 just by mashing them together >kill Despair Embodied and think it's over >Mission 11: All The Way To Hell
>Use your ult >The arm is literally gone >Use all arms and you can basically start the level over again
moronic botw inspired mechanic, no wonder Ganker eats this shit game with shit design choices up. Vergils dt from locked behind sin dt? What fricked up game design is this? Always having to hold down one button lmaoo dmc5 gays have their left finfer constantly in their butthole so they are used to it I guess.
His fricking arm, for one. Using it without constantly worrying about "ammo" like in a fricking resident evil game makes it better game design for an action game by default. But who am I kidding, you guys actually LIKE resident evil may cry. You WANT the series to be le epic resident evil but with swords!! Dmc3 showed how gameplay is done the best, while dmc4 improved the world builiding by many aspects. What did 5 do? Make 80% of the game in a FRICKING TREE? I KNOW itsuno can do better that's why I'm pissed off. He probably wanted to work as fast as possible on his dragons dogma since that is his own franchise.
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2 years ago
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>Make 80% of the game in a FRICKING TREE?
Just like how DMC3 made the game 90% in a FRICKING TOWER?
Does anybody know the actual chances of getting each taunt as each character? Their base percentage and style modifiers, if any. Because overall I find myself getting nero's air guitar taunt way less than in DMC4
>Vergil loses his family and is orphaned at age 8 >Nero is an orphan and gains a family at age 8
>Vergil is gifted a powerful devil sword in Yamato, high sentimental value >Nero knocks together some amateur sword to mimic Credo's/The Order's sword
>Vergil visits Fortuna and becomes enamored with the Sparda legacy >Nero lives in Fortuna and doesn't care about the sermons and legacy of Sparda, unknowing that he is the grandson of Sparda
>Vergil embraces the demonic side and wants it stronger, disregards his humanity >Nero shuns his demonic side but values the power it gives him, to bolster his humanity and familial ties
>Vergil has a romantic fling with Nero's mother and leaves to pursue his power >Nero has a romantic stable relationship with Kyrie and stays with her as much as possible
>Vergil fights clean and precise but has moments of giving in and having fun >Nero fights reckless and sloppy, going wild and having fun
>Vergil wants power so he can never feel weak and alone again >Nero wants power so he can be strong enough to protect those close to him
>Vergil unlocks his DT through sheer will, out of a desire to be strong >Nero unlocks his DT through sheer will, out of a desire to protect
The similarities but mirroring of each other is kino.
Dante is still the superior way to play in every game, most options and highest skill ceiling out of all playable characters. Nero improved with 5's devil arms and an actual magnum Blue Rose but is still basic-mode DMC otherwise.
I always loved these fanart depictions of R63 dante, but also I've always wondered who would voice R63 dante? Not a female equivalent like bayo, actually the character of dante with a female voice, what VA would do that job justice?
Trying to work my way through the first game, i knew i was bad at games like this but i feel like an actual moron because the internet was saying its like a 5 hour game max, yet im 40 minutes into the content but 4 hours deep now, most of which is grinding. Anyone have tips besides just "git gud" because im already doing that
Unironicaly look up a video guide for all the cool tricks you can do and what skills to buy and basic combos that work well. DMC 1 does not explain it's sytems very well and alot of the most fun stuff like air shotgun loops are unintentional inclusions.
1 is a very fun game once you get compftorble with how it plays, but please sitck with it as 3 is top 10 games of all time.
Thanks, i was checking out a longplay but even the longplayer just zooms through the game without even upgrading much and relies on legit skill.
I have every intention of finishing 1 then jumping to 3 then 4 and 5.
Hope it helps friend, that long play is probably the most explicative one on DMC1 and matthew is a huge kamiyafa
2 years ago
Anonymous
always heard good things about matt
>bayonetta crashed and burned with nintendo
Nintendo literally saved the franchise anon and it's getting a 3rd entry and Bayo got into Smash.
Bayonetta crashed and burned after the very first game, then Nintendo came in and saved the series.
>tendies are really this delusional
2 years ago
Anonymous
It is literally objective indisputable facts.
The only delusional one here is you. Bayonetta would be another one entry series if it wasn't for Nintendo, that's a fact. Now it's going to be a trilogy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>2nd game exclusive to a failed console >3rd game having trouble even coming out and now a new console is on the way
ishiggydiggy
2 years ago
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>exclusive to a failed console >still gets another release
Nintendo literally saving Bayonetta no matter how much nuPlatinum fricks up it's almost sad if it wasn't so funny.
if you dont mind cheese then i recommend you use air raid, its actually pretty fricking busted against regular mobs and bosses on normal mode, also try grenade rolling (shoot then roll) when you unlock the 'nade launcher, it makes short work of demons and builds you a TON of DT.
There's nothing complex going on in that webm, literally any anon can hop on the void and spam breakers and DT, that's not even a particularly impressive combo lmao.
>what do you think is happening at 0:05 in the webm?
NTA but isn't that the glitch Kinogami discovered? Something about using Snatch while in DT to then lose height. Don't remember exactly how it works
There's two techniques happening there. One is the empty grab off of Calibur, which you can see with both Snatch hands going through the enemy.
Second is the self-stagger from the summoned swords hitting Nero and resetting his animation state and making him fall under the enemy, leading to the crossunder Calibur.
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Anonymous
>Second is the self-stagger from the summoned swords hitting Nero
Cool, didn't know he could do that. I thought the only self-harming move nero had was the failed punchline flip
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's not meant to happen which is why it just completely resets Nero's animation state. Getting it to happen at all is a b***h and a half, let alone learning to make it happen consistently
It's objectively more impressive than the Dante combo you posted and it has more interesting aspects going on.
Feel free to do that combo right now and post the webm ITT if it's so easy.
Your logic makes no sense in the first place
>It's objectively more impressive than the Dante combo you posted
lol >it has more interesting aspects going on.
calibur, calibur, breaker breaker DT
lol
give nero the amount of wepons dante gets aswell as keep his moveset from 5 and keep his 5 personality and i'd be very happy with 6 being a nero only game. Especially since not having multiple characters may mean actuall well designed and varied levels, the only major downfall of 5.
That anon is absolutely right Nero has nothing going for him compared to Dante, occassionally holding down a button and revving L2 does not make for complex or engaging gameplay.
>anon exposes himself as having no idea what he's talking about
Kek, every time with these Nerohaters.
Your webm was fricking shit, it objectively looks boring as hell and something the average Nero player does.
>average Nerohater has no idea about the complex mechanics and esoteric tech in the game >that Nero webm is OBJECTIVELY more complex than the basic b***h Dante clip posted in response >Objectively has more esoteric and obscure tech going on >objectively harder to do combo >bubububut it looks le boring
Great fricking argument.
The average Neroplayer can't do half in that combo. If it's so basic then do it right now.
I find it funny that you're using Beeg's combos in your argument considering Beeg himself would agree. The timing and APM required for that Nero combo is above the clips you've posted.
Anon there is no point in arguing with Nerotards. They hate actual depth and just want to press button for more damage unga and think that that's peak action gameplay
After my second playthrough of 5 i felt like i had done everything there was to do with Nero, wheras with dante i was finding new combo stings on playthrough 10. I am not hating, neros gameplay fells amazing and i love the moves he does have I just fell like adding 2 more devil arms and guns even if it only doubles his moveset is a no brainer as dmc traditionaly rewards creativity in the player and nero severly limits that very quickly as he was obviously designed to be be the beginer freindly character for 5.
It's such a drastic change of design for Nero, from non realistic anime femboy twink to a Chad Thunderwiener, and it's so much better in any way possible: >fujoshits are pleased >heterosexuals are pleased >gays are pleased >trannies are seething
It's great, nu-Nero FTW.
It's the first gameplay based game that I didn't get the hang of, player fifth and it felt like me pressing the same combination of buttons always gave random results and I tried to press everything as rapid and precise as possible but the game still gave me random.
Can't say for sure if I had that on during my playthrough, but I remember playing with this feature in the practice room and still getting strange results. Does this feature work on both MnK and gamepads?
I assume so, but I wouldn't know how to turn it off on MnK.
For controllers, it's holding down one of the sticks. You'll know whether it's on or off if you see a little sign up on one of the screen corners.
DMC 3 before the series went to shit
I love both but neither of them can free ride enemies.
STEAL YOUR SOUL FOR A SECOND CHANCE!
It went to shit with 2 and 3. Anybody with sense realizes it should’ve been a one and done game.
Nah I still want the true Kamiya sequel, but the DMC3 we got too.
Only morons like 1
Now hold on there, pardner. While 3, 4, and 5 are funner games overall, I do think 1 has enough merits to earn it's spot on someone's list. Now when kamiyagays roll in and say 1 is the best game in the series and the other games suck, that's when shit is just moronic.
>that garbage enemy roster
oh boy i love fighting literal statues that barely react
Because V's enemies were soooo much better...
yes im glad you agree
You can pull shit like this in any DMC game with the mook enemies though. I'm not even kidding. Just get up somewhere elevated and most mooks can't do shit to you. What's this supposed to prove?
yes
Ah sweet it's the DMC''V'' schizo
explain
TASTE THE BLOOD
TASTE YOUR FATE
fpwp
fbpb
>DMC 3 before the series went to shit
>DMC 5 is basically DMC 3 but if it good
Do you people even play these games or just come here to spout whatever dogshit you can out of your mouth?
Based
>DMC 5 is basically DMC 3 but if it good
>3 playable characters instead of 1
>bloated moveset
>no crazy combos
>no free ride
>no wallrunning
>no stun values
>more docile enemies
Take an air hike
>3 playable characters instead of 1
That's a good thing
>bloated moveset
>no crazy combos
This is bait, right?
>no wallrunning
shit mechanic no one cares about
>That's a good thing
>having 3 shitty characters instead of one good one is good
You'll love the Dinasty Warrior series
>This is bait, right?
Crazy Combos are still somewhat present but only on a few strings. 3 had two of them for every weapon.
>shit mechanic no one cares about
Sure, instead of taking what was present and refining it they should just throw everything in the trash. I can't wait for DMC6 to drop SDT then.
Not in the way 3 did. 5 has super armor that gets drained and after that you can launch or knock an enemy. In 3 you had to use a lancher or a knockback move after you drained the super armor and if you used another move then you would reset it, while in 5 you can do whatever and launch them still.
>having 3 shitty characters instead of one good one is good
None of them are shitty though. Dante's the best he's ever been, with arguably a much better arsenal compared to the shit we he in 3. Nero is more fun in 5 then he was in 4 with the different breakers. V is the only character that isn't up to par, but he's nowhere near as terrible as people make it out to be. Don't forget that Vergil is also the best he's ever been, and far better compared to his bare-bones simplistic counterpart in 3.
>no stun values
5 has stun values, not sure why you think it doesn't
>>no stun values
>literally a selection of weapons to apply stun
>V entire gimmick is that Shadow/Griffon only stun enemies
Ok moron
That's not what stun values are (or at least, what I'm referring to). Kimd of a shitty name but that's what the mechanic has been called by the community
>3 playable characters instead of 1
You mean 4. Variety is the spice of life. I like having the option to switch up playstyles to utterly and completely between characters when I feel like it and all of them including V are far from shitty despite the memes.
>bloated moveset
Sounds like a skill issue to me. Everyone except maybe V feels full of options but perfectly rounded out. Even Dante with his litany of moves and weapons has insane customization to allow you to approach any situation exactly how you want it.
>no crazy combos
homie what?
>no free ride
>no wallrunning
Fair enough. I do really want those back. But in the mean time we have cavalier, actual flying with SDT, triple jump, butterfly jump, riding on a shadow, and riding a rocket arm so I'm not hurting too much.
>no stun values
Yes there are. >inb4 dmc3 that was only the case with a handful of enemies who were designed that way. Same shit in 5 but with more flexibility in how to approach the situation with them instead of being locked into using the same tactic on repeat whenever those enemies showed up.
>more docile enemies
Arguably. There were enemies in 3 who just stood there, hid behind shit, those angel frickers who just flew in circles and ducked behind their shield and god help you if they went into the wall, the birds that turned that into stone so you can just you wail on them, the fricking chess pieces, the bomb homie, etc etc.
>Everyone except maybe V feels full of options but perfectly rounded out
Most of Dante's ground combos and basic shots are shit and almost never worth using, same as Nero's RQ ground combos.
>Yes there are
See
>Arguably
On average they are at least. In 5 there are some enemies that are pretty aggressive and also well designed, but most of the other don't attack as often as they should, and (most importantly) can't keep up with the insane mobility the characters have. In 3 there are some duds as you said, but most of the basic enemies were pretty set on wanting you dead. There is a mod for 5 that makes the enemies more aggressive and it's great but it also completely breaks some enemies (Riots not running towards you anymore, Nobodies literally covering the floor with eyeballs regardless of the mask etc.). I hope that the dude that made it will fix it someday.
>Variety is the spice of life
Ironic coming from DMC fanbase who heavily disliked Ludo Harrier Mundus.
>Loved Nero in 4
>Hate Nero in 5
>Dante became my only jam in 5
The only way of playing
What don't you like about 5 Nero?
what the frick Nero is objectively better in 5
Nero is so much better in 5 it's not even funny
Nero has an unironically higher APM skill ceiling in 4, so no. Not even close.
Objectively false.
Literally prove it?
Stop using objectively like you're actually bringing facts to the discussion you mental midget.
Sounds like some moronic Void tier glitch only good for combo wanking in the void, not even interesting looking enough to warrant batting an eye over
Meanwhile the most interesting combos in both 4 and 5 are just Dante's natural mechanics well put together and can function in actual organic gameplay.
>APMtards
I hate you homosexuals so much it's unbelievable. In a series that is about the most stylish combos you boil everything down to how many buttons you can press in a minute and somehow manage to take away every semblance of style from the game in the first place.
this, i can do sword trick sword trick for 30 min,that doesn't make the combo stylish,just mindless skill that even a monkey can do after a bit of practice
>Nero has an unironically higher APM skill ceiling in 4
Le prove it.
>4gay
>moronic statement
Like clockwork
Feel free to prove how the Nero in a less glitchy game with far less moves somehow have a higher APM skill ceiling than 5Nero, a more glitchy game with access to far more moves at any given time. Although I do not see the logic.
spbp
Nero in 4 was naive, but a quick learner and a fun "typical teenager" character. I enjoyed watching him be suddenly plunged into the world of devil hunting.
Nero in 5 was late-game DmC Dante in every way imaginable. That character worked in DmC because we saw him steadily grow throughout the game to reach that point. But airlifting just that end-state to DMC5 leaves us with a flat personality.
Impressive. Every single thing you said was wrong.
Nero in 5 is an adult in his mid-twenties and he's running a business to provide for his family and an orphanage. He is a lot more responsible, but he is still young and dumb and carries all the same personality traits and ultimately also the same character flaws that he has in 4. Saying he is just DmC Donte is some of the most moronic shit ever.
These people forget Donte is more of a bootleg Nero than he ever was Dante.
Most people never realize how responsible Nero actually is. Hell, he's far more responsible than Dante, because unlike him, he can keep a running business while also being able to pay his bills and provide food for his family. Nero may be a wienery butthole at times, but he has life figured out at 25, something Dante still can't do in his late 40's.
Dante refused to Uber. Nero became the Uber. Simple as.
Yep. People calling Nero edgy or anything are moronic.
holy bait batman
>Nero in 5 was late-game DmC Dante in every way imaginable.
>That character worked in DmC because we saw him steadily grow throughout the game to reach that point.
Donte is just Vorgol’s errand boy until Vorgol fricks up his reveal while 5’s Nero activity goes against Dante’s wishes for him not be face Urizen. Unlike Donte, Neto is suspicious of V, feels he has something to prove to both himself and Dante, and ends up preserving what family he has left instead of pushing it away. He’s more lite hearted than Donte in his taunts/interactions and his frick you/middle finger(Nero gave the bird to Dante in 4 before Donte) was out of anger at Vergil’s BULLSHIT.
Sparda.
DMC0 directed by Kamiya fricking when?
Never.
Kamiya doesn’t do sequels and 1 has been dismissed as RE leftovers so the fanbase would whine it’s not itsuno directing.
never
I love this autistic moron like you wouldn't believe.
You got your Sparda game already. People choose to make Dante combo MADs for a decade and only accepted Nero as cool when he looked like Donte instead.
rent free
I will lock up Kamiya in a prison cell if he ever thinks about involving himself with DMC again.
bayonetta crashed and burned with nintendo, he's probably going to be involved in 6
>bayonetta crashed and burned with nintendo
Nintendo literally saved the franchise anon and it's getting a 3rd entry and Bayo got into Smash.
Bayonetta crashed and burned after the very first game, then Nintendo came in and saved the series.
Bayonetta 2, sure.
Bayonetta 3 will probably sell well considering it's a switch exclusive. It literally can't flop.
As much as I've come to dislike the guy's obsession with arcade gimmicks, you have to admit bringing him back for DMC6 or a DMC1 would be a used as a huge marketing highlight if it ever happened. It would allow them to get the attention of fans from bayo, resident evil, and of course the original DMC. It's the same principle of movie trailers using "from the studio that brought you X", it works well at reeling in people that liked or at least remember a previuous product.
:^)
If there is one thing a DMC character should never be it's old. Dante was old in DMC5. He looked tired, sounded tired, he sighed all the time and grimaced like his back hurt, no one wants to watch that. For whom is this DMC?
You crotchety Gankerietcongs, Dante's really got to say goodbye to you three times before you hang up doesn't he.
>If there is one thing a DMC character should never be it's old.
Why?
Alright: "should never act old".
For an action setting, for DMC, explosive youthful energy is what's needed or else it's depressing or the tonality becomes all wrong. Don't make Dante into a Harisson Ford please just let him go and if he really must come back for a third last hurra then i hope Reuben can fire it up in the voice booth.
I want a kino Old Man Dante only game as his send off
>Don't make Dante into a Harisson Ford please
But one of Ford's defining traits was always that he was a bit pathetic. Even when he was looking hot playing Indie he was always b***hing about something. One of the biggest character traits he had was his irrational fear of snakes and the third film had Sean Connery nagging at him all the way through.
Dante has always been the same. Somewhat goofy and down on his luck but always pulls through when he needs to.
>but always pulls through when he needs to.
I think 4 was the worst at conveying Dante, we see in 1, 2 and 3 how willing he is to either die or get trapped in hell if it is for the sake of the greater good, living up to his father's legacy, yet in 4 he's only clowning around.
Deadly Fortune adds so much to DMC4 Dante despite his overall actions being the exact same as the game that you'd think they weren't written by the same person.
Stuff like him not being too worried about the civilians after the Hellgates open because he has faith in The Order to keep up their falseflag, as well as complete faith in Trish's abilities to get people to safety.
One part I particularly like is his curiosity as to whether his father really lived in Fortuna and him trying to find signs of that in Fortuna Castle and the library. Trish even notices the way Dante subconsciously reacts to Lady mentioning Sparda when she first brought them the job.
I've said it many times, Deadly Fortune is only damage control by Bingo trying his hardest to keep it canon and not just rewritting 4 into the story he actually wanted it to be.
But I'm curious, does Dante have any reaction to the Angelos? he should have.
Bingo's always been pretty upfront about what Deadly Fortune is. Part of it is reintroducing the story beats he couldn't include in the original DMC4 and the other part is new stuff that he came up with after 4.
I don't recall Dante having any particular reaction to the Angelos.
I don't think the Angelos really have enough resemblance to Nelo Angelo that you'd immediately make the connection at a glance. If anything it'd be more sensible to believe that they're completely unrelated.
Dante and Virgil being both moronic 40 year olds that still bicker like children while being severly depressed was one of the best things about DMCV
Boomer Dante and Vergil was one of the best things about DMC5. Hobo Dante might be his best look ever.
>Hobo Dante might be his best look ever.
no
>Hobo Dante might be his best look ever.
maybe
>Hobo Dante might be his best look ever.
yes
>Hobo Dante might be his best look ever
Objectively correct.
Hobo Dante is his best look after DMC1's.
first thing I noticed was that every character has a respectable bulge in V
I've been playing the series on the HD collection and holy shit is this cringe af
Actually, it's cringekino
Cringekino as a phrase is such nihilistic bullshit. Say you like something or don’t. Hiding your enjoyment behind “it’s so bad it’s good” fricking sucks
It's cool because it doesn't care that it doesn't fit a standard definition of cool and it turns out that was cool all along.
DmC tries hard to be cool by contemporary standards and as such it is not cool
maybe if I was an adolescent I can't see grown man playing this and not cringing
why
>"cringe"
>normie reaction image
zoom zoom
>posts a dirty Black person
Go back baboon
Both. Plus playable Vergil and Lucia at launch
>Lucia
Not in a million years.
Never. Vergil is trapped being The DLC Guy forever and he'll never stop using Beowulf.
>he'll never stop using Beowulf
Based. Devil Sword Vergil and Urizen gauntlets gays should kill themselves.
5 Nero is like a babby version of Dante, 1 gun, 1 sword and breakers and exceed to try and make up for his lack of depth
It's fun for a while but it's just not a character you wanna spend that much time with, he's a character that's there to teach you the ropes so you can move onto Dante with the big boys, he's deadweight.
I play Nero for chill and unga from time to time. You know when i don't feel like breaking my fricking fingers and feeling like I'm doing cocaine. sometimes i just want to turn my brain off and buster motherfrickers is that so wrong? plus he's still a lot of fun.
I like how even after the Order of the Sword's true nature was revealed and they became his enemies, he still can't completely get rid of his ties to them, hence his DT resembling an "angel".
Does he hate the order of the sword?
He has no real reason to like it considering he had no friends there aside from Credo and Kyrie. He had nothing but disdain for "His Holiness" or his teachings and was generally a loner.
It's an angel because everything in DMC5 is based on cut content from 4, where it would've made sense.
Nero's original DT was more draconic-looking.
Dantegays are the fricking worst
cuck buzzword
dande
Rawhide or Helter Skelter for parries?
Gerbera GP01. That slow-mo backflip you get when you use it at just the right moment and angle is beyond hype.
Rawhide, though I've managed to accidentally pull off some parries with Tomboy. It's pretty sweet.
All of them except buster arm (this one is technically for counters, not parries)
>overture parries big and wide
>gerbera is the dedicated parry arm
>punchline parry with either the launch animation or any of the ride mode tricks
>helter skelter is a continuous but focused parry window
>tomboy lock-on lunge parries big and wide
>rawhide parries in 360
>ragtime lets you SEE the parry window in real time
But if the question is between hide and skelter specifically, go with hide overall. The whip is better to tackle enemies that attack fast and from multiple angles (riots, fury), while the drill is better for precise linear parries (antenora on berserk charge, proto angelo counter). Again, overall all breakers have decent but very different parry properties that it's worth experimenting with.
Ummm DMSisters?? I thought only moronic people refer to DMCV that way?
If you claw grip for style switching you are literally moronic.
nero.
dante was only good in 1.
This just made me realize Nero's clothes are a reverse from Dante's once again.
Nero, personally, but I very much appreciate the depht of Dante and how much his gameplay resembles his 3 version instead of 4's. I wish V was good as them, not talking about depht, but overall gameplay feeling.
Vergil
Dante looks like an old man that smokes all night and day at His trailer. He's not as handsome as He was in 4 and frankly, They should have just recycled the Dante model from 4. His looks are sort of a turn off for Me to want to play this game.
He looks exactly like he did in 4 before the MONTH LONG coma.
He's been a coma for a whole month being showered in blood in a graveyard... and he still looks better than you ever will.
Like I said in my response, before the long hair and beard, for me he just looks like an older DMC4 Dante with a better haircut.
>They should have just recycled the Dante model from 4.
No.
Vergil is the one that looks bad in V, he looks bogged with hedgehog hair. He didn't look great in 4 either, to be fair. They should've just made him look like an older version of his DMC3 concept art, instead of the monstrosity we got in DMCV.
>cgi render as argument
Rofl
The only monstrosity is that render you're posting. And DMC4 onion head Vergil of course.
The CGi render you're showing also isn't good, nor reflective of his appearance in DMC3
?t=220
This cutscene is so fricking good
Does anyone know what the, "6-my-god-099" means on the trailer?
Zoomie... It's the van's telephone number...
God i wish i was
>people did not realize the van spells out "DMC 5" in the trailer before they even show Nero
i was watching the stream on my phone while being barely awake at my nightshift job, i legit couldnt tell what the frick was going on until nero revved the sword
zoomer
Does anyone have high quality versions of these models? I found them in the DMC HD collection yet neither of them appear online especially in the wiki.
second one
Wait, his coat's leather? I thought it was velvet.
This one's from 3142 and was a sample CG model. You'll never get your hands on it.
Never seen these. Is there anything special about them?
No but we don't have that many 3D models of classic Dante so I want HQ versions of these
>mfw we havent gotten a DMC1 costume since 3SE
i appreciate the people who modded the MH costume into 5 but it just dosent look right
>the series has been about dante since the beginning
>nerogays who weren't even alive before 9/11 come in here thinking the series should get handed off to nero for some reason
I guarantee if that happens DMC will die
nero is damn boring in terms of gameplay an in terms of story
frick nero and frick nerogays
Been playing DMC since 3 released. Cope.
Nero is useless baggage. If they kill him off and just remove his character altogether, most people would not care.
I would.
Nero's here to stay.
Cope, old man.
You are moronic if you haven't noticed how much they've been forefronting Nero over Dante ever since DMC4's 2006 trailer.
I would.
Fortunately, Dante will keep getting pity playable sections to make you buy the game again. The sooner you accept that they will never reach what they did with him in 1 and 3 the better, not even with a whole new game only for him they could, he peaked in 3, and they somehow made him peak in 5 again despite him only getting the second half of the game.
Don't think they'll pull it off a third time. There is no more room for he himself to grow, only to be the mentor to Nero and a guiding light for Vergil.
I don't want them to mess with Dante. I mean, he already got his Devil Sword. What are they even going to do, change his pistols?
I sure can't wait for Dante to get his fifth set of gauntlets, the new DT consuming/wacky gun and a remake of an old Devil Arm but with "King" or "Queen' in the title.
DSD needed actual new moves though.
>the new DT consuming/wacky gun
DMC1: Grenade Gun and Nightmare Beta
DMC2: Missile Launcher
DMC3: Kalina Ann and Artemis
DMC4: Pandora
DMC5: TWO Kalina Anns and Dr. Faust
How do they keep getting away with it? it's embarrasing.
Maybe he should get a successor of his own and not just Vergil's sloppy seconds.
Nero may come from Vergil and have his power autism, but overall his personality now is much closer to Dante's
Absolute samegay.
oh no
>Nerogay is insecure
to the surprise of no one
Dantegay can't cope with the fact Nero's the face of the series since 2008.
>since 2008
funny how this year is also the point where western civilization went off a cliff
lol most people don't even know who Nero is you crybaby. Even people who don't play DMC know who Dante is and you need to accept that fact
I don't care about secondaries, of course they wouldn't know, look no further than in the games' covers.
1-3 have Dante dead center
4's got Nero and Dante's in the background, at first glance you might not even notice him. Now 5 pities Dante and V by having them to the side, but who's in the center? the actual protagonist of the story.
But don't worry you crybaby, they will never get rid of Dante as they know you will buy the game anyways if he's in even for three missions only.
>X IS MORE IMPORTANT NOW BECAUSE OF COVER ART
Lol look at this delusional moron. It's especially pathetic when you have to steal insults that were used towards you as if you aren't like a child about this
>>X IS MORE IMPORTANT NOW BECAUSE OF COVER ART
I was just using another clear example to see if you can finally get it in your head, seems like you can't. Do you really need Dante himself to tell you for a third time he's leaving things off to Nero? are you mentally challenged?
>I was just using another clear example to see if you can finally get it in your head
lol yeah because all your other examples really validated your point
>Do you really need Dante himself to tell you for a third time he's leaving things off to Nero?
nice non-argument
>are you mentally challenged?
Are you done yet? Guess who's coming back for DMC 6, 7, & 8, dipshit? Ah yes, the mascot of the entire franchise since it's his story and always will be.
Nerotards will never learn
>the mascot is coming back!!
>to do the game in reverse or get nothing but a third of the campaign? i'm buying it.
Dantegays lose the right to call anyone insecure when they throw autismo fits at the slightest possibility/mention of Nero and him taking up the torch of his uncle. If you were truly secure, you wouldn't be shitting up the thread with your sperging yet here you are seething and making actual Dantechads look bad because clearly you are worried about it to your own detriment. Relax. Dante's not going anywhere anytime soon my boy.
>calling someone insecure because they think multiple people who share the same thoughts are samegayging which he ended up getting BTFO on
>suddenly I'm the butthole who's making others look bad
You're as big of a moron as he is if you can't even follow the conversation that you're b***hing about.
>implying that means anything when there's been multiple ways to get around being outed for samegayging for years
Kek. And please I'm not reading all your b***hing. It's literally always the same shit with you guys ad infinitum, sans the 'Nero is Itsuno's OC' argument this time. Maybe if I felt you actually had something worth reading this time that wasn't the same old tired whining again, I could maybe be arsed to bother to follow the conversation next time. As for this instance? I just had to home in on that particular response because again you dantetards are so fricking insecure it's laughable to me that you would ever have the gall to use that word to describe anyone else seeing the shit-flinging that started the moment you started sperging meanwhile the Nerogays were just content to happily talk about their boy. Like, I'm not even mad I just thought that was hilariously hypocritical.
>I'm not going to read the shit that I was b***hing about but please read my drivel of a paragraph which probably adds nothing to the conversation but more complaining
Insecure and dumb as shit
Aww. Did I happen to strike a nerve pointing out you're just as predictable as much as you are a hypocrite? I'm really not complaining so much as I'm making an observation and saying what I found hilarious about your 'groups' repetitive and nonsensical actions but of course wouldn't know the difference.
Oh so basically you were the guy crying samegay who is now pretending to be someone else
But of course, anon. Everyone's the same person on this site, haven't you been paying attention? I just dont know why you felt the need to reply to me twice. Odd.
Dante hasn't even been the main character in that many games. DMC1 and DMC3 were his stories. DMC2 was Lucia's and DMC4 and DMC5 were Nero's.
>DMC2 was Lucia's
What mental gymnastics would they go over on a DMC2 remake to make it Dante's story and relate it to Vergil somehow?
Just make Arius another Sparda worshipper, or somehow related to Arkham.
>Arius was a third-century Christian priest who was deemed a heretic due to his assertion that Christ the Son was not eternal, and had not existed before he was begotten.
It would be kind of funny if he was a Sparda or Dante denier. Like straight up asking him if the whole "Son of Sparda" thing is just a show.
>When Matier meets Dante, she requests to "handle Arius and his master". This seems to imply that Arius was already influenced in some way by Argosax before ever performing the ritual. His further degradation into demonhood due to Argosax's powers seem to confirm this.
Argosax/Despair Embodied needs some fleshing out too.
Arius was motivated to seek out argosax by a certain man who defeated his dolls ages ago, making him realize his petty sorcery wasn't nearly enough and he needed the power of a true devil. The strongest devil. It then turns out this man was vergil and the mayhem he caused btfo'ing arius and his forces is what allowed Lucia to escape and be found by Matier. We can even include a scene of Vergil initially planned to kill her like the rest but spared her on a whim out of sympathy for a fellow 'lost soul' but rationalized it as him just not seeing any worth in killing a doll with no heart of it's own. This is part of what makes Lucia get attracted to DMC2 Dante in particular because his demeanor reminds her of that man who accidentally granted her freedom though she can't really remember. Hire me capcom.
>Vie de Marli huh?
Pretty much. We know Vergil went around looking into Sparda's legend. It makes sense he'd stop in Vie de Marli at some point too. A conversation between him and Matier could be hilarious as frick with her giving no shits about his big bad demon power because his fathers was 'bigger' and Vergil ultimately having just enough respect for an ally of his father not to kill her but only just a little.
>Vergil gets supposedly trapped in hell after DMC1
>Dante goes to hell at the end of DMC2 but they never found each other
Fricked up ain't it? chronologically DMC2 and 4 Vergil is just the aids Vergil from 5.
Capcom is still trying to forget that DMC2 happened. I doubt a remake is coming.
There could be a way. The "DMC2" name is cursed, but it can become appealing if you rebrand it into a DLC campaign inside a DMC1 remake. Give it a whole new title, like "Shadow of Uroboros" or something. And this is why compressing and mashing the missions together as suggests
is ideal. There's so much you can do if you cut the filler and rework the good stuff into something more consistent.
A DMC2 remake can market itself via the "remake bad games and make them good instead of remaking good games and making them bad" discourse alone.
If this weren't the case there wouldn't be so many people asking for DMC2RE, and if you do 1 first, then people will already be expecting the next one, aside from the fact that it would bring new gays.
I'd play as Dante if they got rid of style switching or at least didn't make his attacks feel so vapid most of the time. Aside from his DT moves in 4, I haven't felt any weight behind his offense since 3.
I like Nero a LOT in DMC5. DMC5 up until the first V mission is basically flawless
>getting viltered
lol
I just think Nidhogg and geryon knight aren't very good bosses
>"I'll take that momentum and send it right back"
Just by having a way to parry his charge it would have made the fight better. That and Geryon just being faster/skipping time around the arena to get you than the obnoxious slowdown.
Having him always back away and his main offensive option being only Cavaliere's lightning shots makes him feel more barebones than 3Geryon. The nobelty and nostalgia of fighting him goes away after the first playthrough, and by DMD he is damage sponge that takes way too fricking long to kill as V.
>That and Geryon just being faster/skipping time around the arena to get you than the obnoxious slowdown.
Anon, he already does that.
>Having him always back away and his main offensive option being only Cavaliere's lightning shots makes him feel more barebones than 3Geryon.
The whole fight is designed around checking you on how you play V. His ranged attacks, AoEs, time bubbles and high movement are natural counters to V's playstyle with multiple parts and if you're not paying attention you're either getting hit or getting your pets killed. His bullets even get doubled in higher difficulties so that he can hit more than two things at once. You're supposed to play a more defensive role rather than go simply go chasing after him and going ham.
I also don't think he was meant to feel like that much of a standalone fight given he's not in BP and he's half Cavaliere. It's not unlike the first two Urizen fights.
>Anon, he already does that.
Minimal speed bump, and the whole screen gets that awful filter on top, I mean that he should look as if he's teleporting. The battle isn't hard, but it becomes boring if you can't line up Nightmare to melt him.
I find it interesting (but ultimately dislike) that elder geryon is an exaggeratedly asymmetrical attacker. What I mean by this is, geryon itself only has one attack, kicking you with its hindlegs, so you're completely safe from it on the front. Meanwhile cavaliere is physically limited by its setting: he holds the spear on his right hand, so he can only hit to the right side, he can't turn 360 and geryon can't turn while he attacks, so if you place yourself behind the horse (or even just far off to the side) the electric projectiles can't hit you anymore and he straight up stops the attack short (in SoS/DMD where he shoots 5 in a row, he can stop after just 2 or 3 if you are no longer in reach).
It's an interesting concept and contrast to nidhogg's more wide and unescapable nature (when vines are alive), but I can't really bring myself to like the boss just based on it. Those blind spots aren't that interesting for V since the attack supposed to work around it, the AoE lightning, is something V can always dodge perfectly as long as shadow is alive, so you got a boss with multiple blindspots that can't really hit you in most positions. I think I'd like it more if he had more tools to deal with you, but less spastic movement.
To frick?
Nero
To fight for me?
Dante
Nero is a forced protagonist to appeal to effeminate zoomer twinks.
I don't understand, if Nero's really here to be a mainstay and replace Dante then why is he such a downgrade to him and Vergil gameplay-wise?
He literally still has the same 1gun/1devil arm setup, did Itsuno think it was enough to just slap a few breakers and exceed again for me to care?
The second I unlocked Dante I never though about Nero in all my 5 playtime except to BP with him for the achievement.
hot.
He can't get all the new shit you want him to get if Dante is still there. Doesn't take away from the fact that Red Queen mogs the frick out of any Dante or Vergil sword.
>if Nero's really here to be a mainstay and replace Dante then why is he such a downgrade to him and Vergil gameplay-wise?
That's because he's not. Are morons going to start saying ;uke will replace Ryu or Mario will be replaced by his nephew morono.
Nero is babby's first action game character (and not even a good one at that). As long as he's forced to stay in the same game as Dante he can't be properly developed
Nero has such a mediocre and forgettable character design.
I have more fun playing as Nero
Ignore the Nero haters.
Thinking of continuing my HaH playthrough for 5 tonight. At mission 07 and I remember struggling with that mission for weeks when I played through DMD.
Nowadays I'd like to call myself better than I was, but I still expect to get my ass handed to me by all the goddamn riots.
Petal Ray is your friend, brother.
Can someone explain why 5 has the ugliest artstyle ever? It looks like a BioWare game for FRICKS sake. Why couldn't it have anime realistic artstyle like FFXV at least?
>FF
Opinion discarded.
Dante, though Nero does have much better taunts weirdly enough
Some of you morons make me ashamed of liking Dante. I'm going to go full contrarian, I want DMC6 to only have Nero, make him shine like it's his DMC3, as purists die of envy, out of spite.
Dante probably should retire though if this is really where they're going with everything. Maybe go out with a bang sealing some massive threat like his dad did.
This is realistically not going to happen because they cannot sell a DMC game without him. The franchise is not big enough to simply be carried by another character. It's a bad business decision
Sure but if they're gonna insist on making time actually pass, you're gonna have to do it sooner or later. Unless they wanna just end the series outright.
If you want a character to stick around forever, you don't age him. But if that's not a concern, do what you want. He's getting older, and he'll be even older still in the next game. I guess you could still insist on keeping him around like with Chris in Resident Evil, but if you're absolutely gonna insist on keeping up the flow of time within your fictional world, you're gonna have to adhere to its rules.
I don't see why they keep doing this huge timeskips. But if it comes to the point characters are getting old, they could always do a DMC3 again, specially with Dante. Come on, you're telling me Nero didn't have any adventures between 4 and 5 after he opened his bussiness?
You're not going to get any more prequels because that means backtracking on things like DSD, the Devil Breakers and World of V. DMC3 was a one time thing because the canon was barely established then and DMC1 and 2 weren't all that complex, but DMC5 had massive story beats tied to the mechanics. No one wants to play a DMC6 where you're playing as Dante but can't use SDT for story reasons.
>No one wants to play a DMC6 where you're playing as Dante but can't use SDT for story reasons.
As if such a thing as canon has ever stopped them before when it comes to gameplay. With that way of thinking you shouldn't have access to Majin DT in 2, or Nero's DT in 5 outside of the fight against Vergil. They will always find a way to circunvate it.
>As if such a thing as canon has ever stopped them
You're the one asking for prequels due to story events. Don't contradict yourself, do they matter or not?
Answer: They totally do.
no I was the one asking for prequels
They could make prequels to cover huge these huge time skips, and you unlock something like SDT for a second playthrough. I just want them to have solo games and mainline they're together.
That's just a dead end. And if that's how they wanted to do things, then they wouldn't have such massive time skips between games. Dante's on his way out. I mean he's not THAT old, but action game heroes tend to have expiration dates. While I personally wouldn't mind seeing a 60-year-old Dante continue fighting the good fight, I don't really think that's what's gonna happen.
Nero will just become a villain and then after he's dead, all future games will just be prequels unless they do grandpa Dante in which he dies in the end. Then it will undoubtedly be prequels after that.
>Nero will have DMC1 Dante age next game
He is the one that needs to properly save humanity by himself for once.
To be honest, I don't think that's a huge concern. The reality is that Nero just isn't as important as the Son of Sparda. Even if he gets to get the biggest story beats, well, frankly, it's Dante's who the Christ figure of DMC, not Nero. That hasn't changed even in 5.
>Nero just isn't as important
Wrong.
>it's Dante's who the Christ figure of DMC,
Black person that's literally Sparda. Even if Dante will still be in, they've insisted with trusting him to keep the human world safe.
The next game should star a new character and have Nero in a mentor or rival capacity.
I choose the alternate timeline where 5Nero looks more similar to 4 and keeps the physical Bringer.
5 is great, but a part of the kid that really liked chuuni shit and got into the series for Nero still hasn't left me.
How's having a robot arm not chuuni as frick? It's like the go to make someone cooler as an 8 year old.
A different kind of chuuni, I guess. I really liked the more anime-like aesthetic, and "holy shit this guy is a half demon with a glowing demon arm that can punch the shit out of everything" really spoke to me.
Also I like blue.
5 Nero is way cooler than 4's.
While I prefer chad cyborg arm Nero, I can understand preferring 4 Nero's aesthetic. I also kind of miss the actually demon arm too even if the narrative behind him getting back his human arm is unironically kino.
For me, it's just DMC1, the RE game turned into an action game. The rest of the series lore is cool, but only 1 is worthwhile game to me.
>all these people talking about what would or wouldn't make sense or be financially secure
>when talking about the company that thought DMC2 and DmC were a good idea
Have you learned nothing?
Luke is great though.
Hey dmcbros, how is bayonetta? Especially bayonetta 1, since that is on sale for 7$.
DMC if it bad. Buy it if you actually enjoy Kamiya autism.
It's a mess. Get Assault Spy instead if you want DMC at home, or at least The Wonderful 101 since it's the better Kamiya action game (but still has dumb shit in it).
It's great. Not sure what the other anons are on about. (Other than moronic tribalism, of course)
What, I can't dislike Bayonetta on my own now?
Can you explain to me why Bayonetta is bad? Without mentioning instadeath QTEs, that is. Always thought it was a rather stupid complaint, considering there are only like, 5 of them in the entire game.
QTEs, absolutely awful bossfights, overabundance of pointless cutscenes, overreliance on style, dial-a-combos
Bayonetta is DMC if it style over substance: the game. And you should feel bad about yourself for liking it.
>QTE
Guess you didn't read my post. Oh well, whatever.
>absolutely awful bossfights
There aren't a lot of action games with good boss fights. Besides, Jeanne and Balder are great.
>overabundance of pointless cutscenes
RT + Back/Select. You're welcome.
>overreliance on style
What the frick is that supposed to mean?
>dial-a-combos
What's your point here? What's wrong with dial-a-combos?
>tribalism because I don't like a game
Take your medication
I haven't played it myself, but from what I've seen it looks like a good time. If it's that cheap there's no harm in trying it out yourself and forming your own opinion on it.
To this day, I don't believe have ever felt more lied to by a game's opening sequence than with DMC2. Immense praise to the guy who managed to make it actually look like a fantastic game though.
I wish V would have been the main character going forward. I’ve always hated Nero and Dante is a cartoon character now
>I wish V would have been the main character going forward.
But he is, they just gave him a katana now.
I think using V as some contrived method of bringing back Virgil not only ruined the weight of Virgil’s sacrifice and death but also bafflingly threw away a new great character just to give stupid fanboys what they wanted by shamelessly rehashing ideas. There was nothing wrong with using him as a different playable mode that wasn’t canon to the actual story.
>he thinks Vergil was ever dead
That’s the problem, dummy. Them retconning Dante killing Virgil in DMC1 to free him of Mundus’s control does suddenly make everything alright
>he thinks Kamiya was never bringing back Vergil again
They don't even show him explicitely dying. Cope.
Why are you acting so dumb? Kamiya never had any intentions of ever making another DMC. He never follows up on his work. I get that you like Virgil but how can you not admit that it’s literally just a unimaginative burying up of former iconography like putting stormtroopers and star destroyers in every new Star Wars movie? Anon, you just might have to admit that YOU are a raving raving fanboy blinded by nostalgia
ywnbaw
Aaaaaaand we’re done.
>vIrgil
>Star Wars
that's all I needed to know. Why would Kamiya complain that they made DMC2 without even consulting him? why would he talk about ideas and DMC games he would like to make then?
>each time you defeat Nelo he teleports in a blue aura
>last time he is gaining conciousness and when you defeat him he disappears in guess what, a blue aura
You are actively trying to convince yourself he died.
>Kamiya never had any intentions of ever making another DMC.
Directing another DMC, you mean. He'd definitely work on another DMC, as a writer.
He's always been the main character. what? you thought this was actually dante's story? have you not been paying attention to who this is really all about?
I love Dante, but I think 5 Nero is even cooler. Just enough angst and MOTIVATION to complement the brashness.
I think they play off of each other really well. DMC5 wouldn't be the same without old hobo dante.
Yes, you need Dante to hold the "superior" position (mentor, teacher, daddy/uncle) so Nero can seethe about it. I wonder how their post 5 dynamic would evolve since Nero isn't trying to prove himself as much.
It kinda feels like they're setting Nero up to go through the same "muh power" shit as vergil
I don't know, Nero achieved power and he knows for what it is: mostly to protect what's dear to him. Of course Nero also has a lust for power, just like all the Spardas since they love fightan (which is appropriate for this kind of game), but it's more reasonable than Vergil's.
Yes, so I wonder how they'll write him in 6.
Same for Vergil, he achieved power and reunited with his family. He wont be as edgy as before and that's neat in a way, but I wonder how they'll make the character cast work without conflict between them. Maybe they can keep some reasonable edge so they can still clash a little, not too seriously but still.
Vergil will try to embrace humanity but Moondust returning will be pushing him over the edge at the same time.
I don't want him to regress, but maybe he could disagree with Dante about the best way to handle a situation. Maybe he could even be proven right, but ultimately fail, before they eventually succeed by uniting their forces/visions/contributions.
If Vergil truly changed, then that kind of pressure is perfect to prove it. Maybe have Moondust kill Trish (for real this time) so Dante is the one that needs calming.
Nero doesn't have anything to prove anymore, he couldn't save Credo, but he saved Dante and Vergil. He can actually be confident about his "power to protect" or whatever.
Why did they choose resident evil artstyle over anime?
No one tell him.
Hurr durr it was always resident ebil look at me I'm a gay!!!
No you stupid fricking moron dmc3 and 4 were completely their own artstyle.
>dmc3
Still DMC1 and 2's artstyle but better.
>4
Final homosexualry, a mistake.
>Hating on dmc4
Literally still the most played dmc game.
Now this is some Grade-A premium quality bait my guy.
I already know exactly who (You) are, and I won't bother.
DMC4 was DMC if it Final Fantasy. And to no one's surprise, literally nobody liked it.
Why would you make such a moronic frickin question?
>DMC2 remake, Dante's campaign
>they cut down his 18 missions down to 10 just by mashing them together
>kill Despair Embodied and think it's over
>Mission 11: All The Way To Hell
I'm surprised the ninja gaiden schizo hasn't shown up
Unironically lost count of how many schizos we have
Yes
>Just some random anon who hates dmc5 because the artstyle is pozzed and you can't see shit
>Schizo rambling
Grow up.
I didn't say anything about that anon though.
Nero's so much fun, bros.
Not in dmc5
Really now?
>Use your ult
>The arm is literally gone
>Use all arms and you can basically start the level over again
moronic botw inspired mechanic, no wonder Ganker eats this shit game with shit design choices up. Vergils dt from locked behind sin dt? What fricked up game design is this? Always having to hold down one button lmaoo dmc5 gays have their left finfer constantly in their butthole so they are used to it I guess.
and what does DMC4 nero have?
His fricking arm, for one. Using it without constantly worrying about "ammo" like in a fricking resident evil game makes it better game design for an action game by default. But who am I kidding, you guys actually LIKE resident evil may cry. You WANT the series to be le epic resident evil but with swords!! Dmc3 showed how gameplay is done the best, while dmc4 improved the world builiding by many aspects. What did 5 do? Make 80% of the game in a FRICKING TREE? I KNOW itsuno can do better that's why I'm pissed off. He probably wanted to work as fast as possible on his dragons dogma since that is his own franchise.
>Make 80% of the game in a FRICKING TREE?
Just like how DMC3 made the game 90% in a FRICKING TOWER?
Does anybody know the actual chances of getting each taunt as each character? Their base percentage and style modifiers, if any. Because overall I find myself getting nero's air guitar taunt way less than in DMC4
No Vergil I don't want you to spin the summon sword with your finger for the fifth time in a row.
>Vergil loses his family and is orphaned at age 8
>Nero is an orphan and gains a family at age 8
>Vergil is gifted a powerful devil sword in Yamato, high sentimental value
>Nero knocks together some amateur sword to mimic Credo's/The Order's sword
>Vergil visits Fortuna and becomes enamored with the Sparda legacy
>Nero lives in Fortuna and doesn't care about the sermons and legacy of Sparda, unknowing that he is the grandson of Sparda
>Vergil embraces the demonic side and wants it stronger, disregards his humanity
>Nero shuns his demonic side but values the power it gives him, to bolster his humanity and familial ties
>Vergil has a romantic fling with Nero's mother and leaves to pursue his power
>Nero has a romantic stable relationship with Kyrie and stays with her as much as possible
>Vergil fights clean and precise but has moments of giving in and having fun
>Nero fights reckless and sloppy, going wild and having fun
>Vergil wants power so he can never feel weak and alone again
>Nero wants power so he can be strong enough to protect those close to him
>Vergil unlocks his DT through sheer will, out of a desire to be strong
>Nero unlocks his DT through sheer will, out of a desire to protect
The similarities but mirroring of each other is kino.
Vergil's Judgement Cut and Nero's Exceed share the same precise timing requirement, so even mechanically they're mirrored.
Nero's devil trigger looks like ass though, the stand looked much better and made him unique in 4.
Great post
Kino af
Dante is still the superior way to play in every game, most options and highest skill ceiling out of all playable characters. Nero improved with 5's devil arms and an actual magnum Blue Rose but is still basic-mode DMC otherwise.
Nero
Is Nero good for you?
>getting filtered by Breakers in the year 2019+3
Damn sure
>Genderbent garbage
Do nerogays really? Not a good look bros...
Quiet, you.
I always loved these fanart depictions of R63 dante, but also I've always wondered who would voice R63 dante? Not a female equivalent like bayo, actually the character of dante with a female voice, what VA would do that job justice?
Probably the english voice actor for panty anarchy.
this kills the dantegay
god dante as a female would be such a bawd
have you not been here for the scores and scores of genderbend dante and vergil art?
Trying to work my way through the first game, i knew i was bad at games like this but i feel like an actual moron because the internet was saying its like a 5 hour game max, yet im 40 minutes into the content but 4 hours deep now, most of which is grinding. Anyone have tips besides just "git gud" because im already doing that
Unironicaly look up a video guide for all the cool tricks you can do and what skills to buy and basic combos that work well. DMC 1 does not explain it's sytems very well and alot of the most fun stuff like air shotgun loops are unintentional inclusions.
1 is a very fun game once you get compftorble with how it plays, but please sitck with it as 3 is top 10 games of all time.
Thanks, i was checking out a longplay but even the longplayer just zooms through the game without even upgrading much and relies on legit skill.
I have every intention of finishing 1 then jumping to 3 then 4 and 5.
Watch this.
>matthewmatosis
havent seen that guy mentioned in years, thanks, ill take a look today.
Hope it helps friend, that long play is probably the most explicative one on DMC1 and matthew is a huge kamiyafa
always heard good things about matt
>tendies are really this delusional
It is literally objective indisputable facts.
The only delusional one here is you. Bayonetta would be another one entry series if it wasn't for Nintendo, that's a fact. Now it's going to be a trilogy.
>2nd game exclusive to a failed console
>3rd game having trouble even coming out and now a new console is on the way
ishiggydiggy
>exclusive to a failed console
>still gets another release
Nintendo literally saving Bayonetta no matter how much nuPlatinum fricks up it's almost sad if it wasn't so funny.
if you dont mind cheese then i recommend you use air raid, its actually pretty fricking busted against regular mobs and bosses on normal mode, also try grenade rolling (shoot then roll) when you unlock the 'nade launcher, it makes short work of demons and builds you a TON of DT.
5CHADro is ludo. One of the greatest action game characters ever made.
That's literally a babby tier combo
Majority of anons here don't even know what an empty grab is anon, don't expect them to understand even half of what's happening in this webm.
There's nothing complex going on in that webm, literally any anon can hop on the void and spam breakers and DT, that's not even a particularly impressive combo lmao.
Case in point. Tell me, what do you think is happening at 0:05 in the webm?
>what do you think is happening at 0:05 in the webm?
NTA but isn't that the glitch Kinogami discovered? Something about using Snatch while in DT to then lose height. Don't remember exactly how it works
There's two techniques happening there. One is the empty grab off of Calibur, which you can see with both Snatch hands going through the enemy.
Second is the self-stagger from the summoned swords hitting Nero and resetting his animation state and making him fall under the enemy, leading to the crossunder Calibur.
>Second is the self-stagger from the summoned swords hitting Nero
Cool, didn't know he could do that. I thought the only self-harming move nero had was the failed punchline flip
It's not meant to happen which is why it just completely resets Nero's animation state. Getting it to happen at all is a b***h and a half, let alone learning to make it happen consistently
It's objectively more impressive than the Dante combo you posted and it has more interesting aspects going on.
Feel free to do that combo right now and post the webm ITT if it's so easy.
Your logic makes no sense in the first place
>It's objectively more impressive than the Dante combo you posted
lol
>it has more interesting aspects going on.
calibur, calibur, breaker breaker DT
lol
>anon exposes himself as having no idea what he's talking about
Kek, every time with these Nerohaters.
give nero the amount of wepons dante gets aswell as keep his moveset from 5 and keep his 5 personality and i'd be very happy with 6 being a nero only game. Especially since not having multiple characters may mean actuall well designed and varied levels, the only major downfall of 5.
>give nero the amount of wepons dante
Yuck. Do not homogenize the characters. It's completely moronic.
That anon is absolutely right Nero has nothing going for him compared to Dante, occassionally holding down a button and revving L2 does not make for complex or engaging gameplay.
Your webm was fricking shit, it objectively looks boring as hell and something the average Nero player does.
>average Nerohater has no idea about the complex mechanics and esoteric tech in the game
>that Nero webm is OBJECTIVELY more complex than the basic b***h Dante clip posted in response
>Objectively has more esoteric and obscure tech going on
>objectively harder to do combo
>bubububut it looks le boring
Great fricking argument.
The average Neroplayer can't do half in that combo. If it's so basic then do it right now.
Uh huh, whatever helps you sleep at night my friend.
I find it funny that you're using Beeg's combos in your argument considering Beeg himself would agree. The timing and APM required for that Nero combo is above the clips you've posted.
>Beeg himself would agree
meds
Anon there is no point in arguing with Nerotards. They hate actual depth and just want to press button for more damage unga and think that that's peak action gameplay
If 6 is Nero's game (I strongly doubt it will be) then he will need a lot more tools, mechanics and yes, weapons.
After my second playthrough of 5 i felt like i had done everything there was to do with Nero, wheras with dante i was finding new combo stings on playthrough 10. I am not hating, neros gameplay fells amazing and i love the moves he does have I just fell like adding 2 more devil arms and guns even if it only doubles his moveset is a no brainer as dmc traditionaly rewards creativity in the player and nero severly limits that very quickly as he was obviously designed to be be the beginer freindly character for 5.
>After my second playthrough of 5 i felt like i had done everything there was to do with Nero,
But you didn't.
I pity the combogays.
NOOOO YOUR COMBO ISN'T AUTISTIC ENOUGH NOOOO
Meanwhile I just have fun with the game. I let the moves play out, I listen to the lines and have more fun than morons obsessed with APM.
It's such a drastic change of design for Nero, from non realistic anime femboy twink to a Chad Thunderwiener, and it's so much better in any way possible:
>fujoshits are pleased
>heterosexuals are pleased
>gays are pleased
>trannies are seething
It's great, nu-Nero FTW.
enjoyed dante in 4 and thought nero was a little too simplistic
in 5 I like nero a lot and I don't like dante's weapons this time around
It's the first gameplay based game that I didn't get the hang of, player fifth and it felt like me pressing the same combination of buttons always gave random results and I tried to press everything as rapid and precise as possible but the game still gave me random.
morons will play the fifth game in a series and complain they don't understand.
I'm not complaining, just telling my experience.
Turn off auto-assist.
Can't say for sure if I had that on during my playthrough, but I remember playing with this feature in the practice room and still getting strange results. Does this feature work on both MnK and gamepads?
Yes. its the training wheels function essentially.
I assume so, but I wouldn't know how to turn it off on MnK.
For controllers, it's holding down one of the sticks. You'll know whether it's on or off if you see a little sign up on one of the screen corners.
Do you have auto assist turned on?
It's the auto assist morono, must have accidentally turn that shit on by pushing down the analog stick
Dante because I'm not stupid.
I never really liked Nero to be honest.
Nero was a mistake
Your existence was a mistake yet here you fricking are.
>chose between a shit character and Dante
I beat DMD without learning any combos. Might as well learn an instrument if I want to practice something.
R63 Vergil makes me unbearably hard, what the frick is wrong with me