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>Enemies are atheists
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meanwhile, in reality...
>christian game
>makes you want to fall asleep because its boring.
Been reading Luke recently, it's kinda fire. Very nice depiction of Jesus getting angrier and angrier at israelites nearing the end culminating at total Jerusalem destruction prophecy. The most talented evangelist hands down.
>reading
not a game
The Bible in general is an amazing read of you aren't a low IQ moron
>Genesis
>Exodus
>Psalms
>Gospels
>Revelations
>Ecclesiastes
It's Revelation, not Revelations
>Christian game
>enemies are other Christians
>neither side really follows the teachings of Christ
That'd be more accurate
Accdently a letter
True, but from your post, if "a low iq" made the same error, you'd probably berate them, I'm just assuming
A typo is not the same thing, no
For me it's Esther, genuinely interesting story arc filled with political sabotage and revenge.
Also the chapter of the King watching what he thought to be a brother and sister having, and I quote: "a good ol' time, naked in a field" was actually funny.
>The Bible in general is an amazing read of you aren't a low IQ moron
As soon as I read this part of your post I knew you were going to say "revelations" kek
>I see you made a typo
Typical midwit behavior. The Bible is a must read if you want to appreciate western literature, you're just never going to truly appreciate anything from Shakespeare to the modernists if you outright refuse to read it.
Atheists who say "the Bible is boring I know I've read it" have not read the Bible. It's really that simple
nowhere in his post did he point out the typo?
It's "Revelation" not "Revelations" like I put on accident, so yeah he was pouring out a typo.
it wasn't an accident though, you actually thought it was revelations because you're a larper. being very sensitive and bringing up iq constantly are good indicators of this
You're literally just arguing with a made up anon in your head at this point, you didn't even read his post.
>Say only the low IQ don't appreciate the Bible
>Anon responds with "heh see you made a typo" implying I'm low IQ
>I reply
Anything else I need to spell out for you, dipshit?
>Anon responds with "heh see you made a typo" implying I'm low IQ
He didn't say that though did he?
>Anon is too autistic to understand context or implications
I guess this is Ganker after all.
He didn't say or imply anything about typos, this exists literally entirely in your own head.
Oh so you're just moronic
He was making fun of the fact that revelation is the peak pseud go to for bible book recommendations, nothing to do with typos.
>is the peak pseud go to for bible book recommendations
Yes, that was also implied. Neither of which are very good points, nobody actually reads Revelation because it's nothing but dense symbolism with a lot of references to other stories from the Bible. You should read it, I don't care if redditors like to recommend it or something
Religion has some of the best stories ever written. Stuff like Zoroastrianism is fricking 10/10 peak oral/written history with fantastic conceptualization.
But like all fiction, its the hard-core fans who ruin it, like that Star Trek nerd who thinks Star Trek is the greatest scifi setting of all time religious people are unbearable with their mono-belief.
>Bible
>Fiction
Bait used to be less obvious.
Reminder that Jesus was SO FRICKING PISSED he went out and MADE A CUSTOM WHIP to WHIP THOSE JIGGERS OUT OF TEMPLE for selling shit in GOD'S HOUSE!
Jesus sure is looking european for a middle eastern guy
Europeans actually came from the desert, we wuz israelites afterall.
Yeah, they weren't exactly white but Middle Easterners today are darker because of Arab mass rape and black admixture
The Reconquista was never finished. Whites had all of Europe and the near Middle East. Greece was white, after all. So was Babylon.
>soulslike where you control Jesus and defeat the forces of darkness in the desert and sacrifice yourself at the end to absolve humanity of its sins
Kino or not?
I'm surprised no one else has done something like this outside of MDickie
I mean, it's probably blasphemy, but it can't be any worse than Mel Gibson's shit
>the game is secular
>accused of blasphemy
>the game is religious
>accused of propaganda
>the game is bad
>accused of disrespect
>the game is good
>accused of propaganda
And I don't think the market for it would be huge
+ there's a 99% chance it would devolve into midwit satire, try to play both sides, and do nothing right. Ideally it's an aesthetically pleasing dark fantasy adventure that is simultaneously attractive to both Christian and atheists, and marketable enough to make a profit. Most people willing to try it would rely on cheap shock value
>there should be NO forgiveness!!! crucify the nonbelievers!!!!
Protestant moment
calm down goober, damn
The Parable is probably my favorite story in the Bible. It's very nuanced, so many applications to it.
And now modern "Christians" grovel at the feet of Israel.
Evangelicals are fricked up OK.
I've been reading the gospels recently as a part of converting to orthodoxy. all of those protestant animations you'd get from the US really don't do the original scriptures any justice.
It's kind of like watching a bad anime vs reading the original manga/ LN and then realizing what you missed out on and why the fans of the source material are so pissed off with the anime.
>eally don't do the original scriptures any justice.
neither does reading them other than in greek. eye roll.
Septuagint is best, but both KJV and NKJV are accepted as good TLs in the Orthodox Church.
You do not need to be Greek to be a true Christian or fully understand the scriptures, as that'd be more in line with legalistic scholasticism. It's more an act of devotion or a good thing to do if you wish.
Not a video game christgay
>Been reading Luke recently, it's kinda fire.
Yo. This gameplay is fire.
>Gamer 23.5: And the L O R D spoketh: 'If ye are a man of God, proveth me thy faith by giving me thy video game, and ye shall seeth, that on the morrow, when the quake championship beginneth, all my followers shall have a copy of the game!"
>"Impossible!" Cried LootBoxJudas. "Do you intend to split it in twain, and those halves again and then? The game will be ruined!"
>But then the L O R D sayeth: 'Teach a man to purchase a game, and he shall play with himself, but teach a man to copy a game, and he shall playeth with his family!' And thus Piracy came to Jerusalem, and the L O R D was pleased.
based
it is
>Christians games are... le bad!
Frick off , d*mon scum
Christian games exist?
I thought Christians think games are the work of the devil
they just want to be hip with the kids, just look at all the curches that have openly accepted pride shit.
all christians are spineless bastards who can only larp.
>Christianity
>boring
Doom is a Christian game
You play as a saint and kill demons
UHHHHH NO!!!!!
YOU ARE LE DOOMSLAYERX (gender netrual no more doom guy)
AGNELS ARE EvBIL and Aliens
Demons are ALIENs
Aetheism ====== GOOOD
RELIGION --=== BAD.
Nu-doom is so fricking bad.
>Demons are ALIENs
This is actually what fundies believe, and why they have to be destroyed when there is first contact
One of the ARC broadcasts calls him doom guy. Doom guy is called a man several times.
Unhinged post.
Ameritard moment
Nu Doom is Gnostic and retconned all the christcuckery
>want trad lifestyle
>go on Ganker with gigachad pics
>nothing changes
um 2016 Gankerros, why isn't anything happening?
They think that just having an image is enough to be a badass, which is why Heelvsbabyface thought he could syphon the collect subconscious "cool" factor of the right but then exposed himself as cringe, and then people started to look at other right-wing youtube content and saw the onions in them. Which is why Vote 1 got so many zoomers voting for abortion protection rights nowadays.
If you knew which demographics is the one with the most abortions you'd support it too
You start by buying land. If it's impossible, start from learning the language of the country of your choice with cheap land.
/v/editors can’t even afford a trad wife let alone a trad life
Dumb newbie.
seriously why did they make the walk speed so fricking slow
beat chapter 2 and its good but would be better if he didnt shamble like a geriatric
Pain is the very essence of faith, anon. Stop being a homosexual.
It is explained in the lore.
When John escaped a human sacrifice when he was a child at the church where you fought that demon nun. His leg was crippled. John canonically walks with a Limp
John's slow walking speed is explained in the game.
Christendom only functions properly when it's offset in symbiosis with the Indo-European warrior spirit
>Christian game
>There are no enemies, only forgiveness
Christian game
>Enemies are Satan and non-repentant Sinners
>You can evangelize and convert Enemies into allies.
>Killing Satan is good ending
>Black and White morality with no gay what-if-isms or fence sitting
>Proactive
>Constantly produces kino characters: Daredevil, Father Garcia, etc....
Why can't we have more good Christian games? (Protestants need not apply)
>Protestants need not apply
Based. The pope just certified trannies & homos for baptism.
classic papistsissy L
>the pope doesn't count
you're free to do something about him but you won't, too b***h made.
>troony acting tough on the internet
Why is this so common?
>you're a tough guy for pointing out that millions of people who are unhappy with the pope could do something but are too pussy too
Whatever helps you cope with the fact you're shilling a denomination that promotes hyper degeneracy.
>letting pedos into christian organizations is authentic christian behavior
apparently so
You need to have faith that God can transform people, but you also have a duty to conduct earthly justice and that means pedos get the millstone.
Because as long as the computer is on. They don't have to look at their disgusting selves in the black mirror.
What is....an Anti-Pope?
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01582a.htm
moron.
>What is....an Anti-Pope?
>A false claimant of the Holy See in opposition to a pontiff canonically elected.
So essentially not the current pope who was canonically elected, fricking doom zoomer moron
learn to read passed the headlines, moron. he said if they're repentant (meaning no longer indulging in this life style, fully repentant) they can be baptised. curious that everyone thinks the news is bullshit but the moment they read a headline about the pope it's 100% fact, as if there's no anti-christian bias in modern media
>if the people who groom kids repent then they're good to go
So based, it's a real wonder why things ended up the way they did with such brilliant policies like this.
>God's love and forgiveness has limits
just say you're a Christian for the aesthetics already
you don't need to keep pretending youre Christian
How can something be anti-christian if it's anti-catholic? Roman catholicism has nothing to do with christianity.
Braindead post. Do protestants think the early church just disappeared and that their church that arrived 1800 years later is the only true Christianity? Christ made Peter the first Pope, this is literally in the bible.
Matthew 16:18
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.
Peter in Greek is Petrus, literally meaning rock.
What you said and what scripture says are two completely separate things.
Almost as braindead as any Christian thinking their religion is uniquely correct when it's clearly based on other older religions and coincidentally their important events just happen to take place on the same days that were important for pagan religions it replaced.
If your belief system condradicts others, of course your going to believe it's the only correct one you fricking moron. That's just how reasoning and having opinions work. You may be wrong, but you'd be a fricking moron to think two contradictory statements are both somehow true.
>There not REAL Christians like *I* am
Catholics aren't as they also worship Mary and the pope
No Catholic would ever say that and any who have taken even basic catechism could explain to you the distinction.
Mary was merely a woman to spawn Jesus and nothing more
To even pray to her FOR ANYTHING, to bow down to her FOR ANYTHING and to consider her a saint FOR ANYTHING is already workship.
Asking for intervention and petition is not worship as worship is reserved for God in the Trinity. Mary isn't in the Trinity. Nobody calls her God. That would be blasphemous. We believe in a Communion of Saints, that we can ask the Saints to pray for us and to bring their likenesses, virtues, and successes into our own lives.
>We believe in a Communion of Saints
Which is bullshit.
Typical polytheist bullshit with a patron god.
All those """""""saints""""""" arent even close to that
Alright guy. You be mad about it. I'm pretty plainly agreeing with you that neither the Saints nor Mary are God, and that we don't worship them. You are literally getting mad at your own misunderstandings.
>You are literally getting mad at your own misunderstandings.
That seems like a good summary of most of this thread, honestly.
Misunderstandings my ass
You keep being a heretic alright
That really doesn't sound like anything one Christian should be saying to a fellow Christian.
I learned a long time ago the type of Protestant that declares "Catholics are guilty of [insert nonsense here]" aren't worth talking to.
Catholics don't worship Mary. They pray to her for intercession. Big difference. Also don't worship the pope. Plenty of catholics are freely allowed to disagree with him after reflecting on what he says. Just like during ww2.
See? Don't even know what the word Christian means
It's all just egotism. People want to believe that they are special, that they are more important than everyone else, that the world exists just for their benefit, and people like that aren't just found in religion. Religion is just a convenient exist that's been around for a very long time. It's the McDonald's of excuses for egotism.
*a convenient excuse
IQ 9
Profound Mental moronation
Protestants don't even use the real bible
>but da preacha say
Here's one.
That sounds kind of like the Dante video game
I refuse to believe anyone here actually gets off their ass to go to church
you'd be surprised
It's really funny to read how at one point people tried to argue the "eye of a needle" was a literal gate in Jerusalem.
People love tying themselves into pretzels to justify their clearly ridiculous beliefs. "Bro, it's like a metaphor or whatever."
Matthew 15:24
Name one (1) game.
Captain Bible
I hate this shit. We should have based celtic priests instead of homosexualy israelite ones.
I'd rather pray to Thor, Iupiter or Zeus than to anything that spawned in fricking jerusalem.
If a "christian" game allows you to kill people or (depicts killing in a positive manner) then it's not a christian game, it's just a sad larp.
This is how you know that christgays are evil in their hearts.
>Japanese game
>enemies are jesuits
>Tradcath discord raid is failing
Ohnonononono christsisters.
Considering roman catholics aren't christian, I would say that christ is winning.
Megami Tense 2 last boss is the israelite god christcucks worship, lmao
Frick off, worshippers of the demiurge
You are below filth
>"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do to their fellows because it always coincides with their own desires."
>be le christian "chad" in vidya
>get gunned down like a filthy rat
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>Jesus Christ watching Ganker degenerates claim to be his ardent followers
You can also look at the Republicans for a good time with this. Imagine being a so called follower of Jesus Christ then going "I know kids are starving in my state, but why is that my problem?"
I'm a fedora tipper, and even i know you don't know what you're talking about.
>I get to be a hypocrite and force my shit beliefs on you but don't you dare hold me accountable to my professed beliefs
kys
I do not recognize those starving children as my brethren, they are no better than aliens to me. Jesus walked out on the samaritan woman and her child until she begged and groveled at his feet. If I saw you dying on the road I'd finish you off. Golden rule applies to those I recognize as my own, the rest will lose even the little they still have.Turns out chistianity isn't what your homosexual ass wants us to be.
Well, I'm glad you managed to figure out a way to square a religion of supposedly infinite love with your own personal hatred.
>NOOOO! How dare you to not adhere to how we want your religion to be! God is eternal love for all!!!!
No.
You're not adhering to what the religion is, just your own view of it.
>You're not adhering to what the religion is, just your own view of it.
You do not define what adhering to what the religion is. Neither you nor any anglo. GOD is testimony of that by making a mockery out of anglosaxon christians by making them serve israelites, atheist and Black folk. Your view of what christianity represents is dying, rotting and withering, in peace time, by God's will. You will get no love, no matter how many "good" deeds you purport to make. Rot and wither.
So just to be clear, if your view withers away and is held by less and less people is that God letting you know that you're wrong or just oppression by the forces of evil?
So just to be clear, if your view withers away and is held by less and less people is that God letting you know that you're wrong or just oppression by the forces of evil?
I will save you the trouble. No, there's no general rule as you purport to have a gotcha against what I said. Christianity is triune. "God" I am referring is one of the trinity, the one Jesus referred to as being unforgivable to direct blasphemy against, even as he forgave any other blasphemy, the very same one that had countless infants killed in Egypt. The christianity that is crubling was built by anglosaxon believers, and is represented in one of the persons of the trinity, and not the one that cannot be blasphemed against. The anglosaxon/catholic views and their "god" prevailed by their will, which culminated in ww2. And what I am delighted is the withering of their "god" and the mockery of his believers that is undergoing, because it means that God that cannot be blasphemed against is against the anglosaxon/catholic "god". Does that mean the, as the gotcha you wanted, God is against me? No, because who am I? It is YOU anglos that rule the world, not me, and all your works, and all your views are withering in peace time. You succeeded in having your will prevail, and bested my views, temporarily, and yet God that cannot be blasphemed against is not with you.
Ooo this is an interesting polytheistic take on the Trinity I haven't heard in a while. Arguing that you worship the true God, the old testament God Yahweh/Jehovah/Adonai and that the God of anglo-saxon Christianity is what, the Holy Spirit? Jesus? In any case, this argument is pretty clearly based on the glorification of a violent, conquering masculine God, the kind that as you said killed infants in Egypt and I'm sure flooded the world when it became infested with sin. Slightly surprised this didn't dip into anti-semitism and is firmly rooted in Anglo hatred though.
I must give you a (you), just because your post gladdened me
That's the problem with having a rule book anyone can read. I know you're breaking your own rules.
>b-but other cheeks..
remind me of what my grandfather used to say.
Jesus will forgive you, but i'm not Jesus.
Love it when you c**ts finally take the mask off. Perfidy is the defining characteristic of your ilk.
it's like no one is free from sin.
No one is. But you're being silly on purpose by defending a stance like this. If you claim to believe in Christ I would imagine you'd at least TRY to practice it. Not go "yeah I could do the right thing but i won't because someone I don't like could potentially benefit in some way".
The idea that the west's morals and values are sourced from Christianity is horseshit. They're just common memes that every civilization acquired in the iron age because a functional society is not possible with killers, thieves, and child abusers roaming about.
Christianity is about three things: ending the rules and covenants of the old testament, waiting for armageddon, and accepting jesus as the messiah.
As long as you sincerely accept Jesus as your lord, you are saved and no force or action you take can ever un-save you.
Oh he arrived, have fun with the botted answers everyone.
So I BTFO'd you with a similar post before? Feels nice to be recognized.
>As long as you sincerely accept Jesus as your lord, you are saved and no force or action you take can ever un-save you.
so...
>murder two people, rape a child
>accept jesus as the lord and repents
>get killed in prison a week later
>80 years later
>child dies of old age after being a good christian for 77 years, truly believes that the rapist was a test of faith
>goes to heaven
>angel welcomes him into the pearly gates
>points at the rapist
>"see that guy? he's the one who who gave you irreversible trauma and killed your parents. but he's here because he accepted jesus into his heart not long after the incident. go say hi"
is this something that can happen?
Yes, and when you get that the ascendance to eternity with your creator is such a perfect and good desire you overcome pride, envy, and the bitterness that would come from seeing that gift shared with even the most heinous person who truthfully turned their heart to redemption. You'd see that person in eternity more like a misguided 1st grade bully, and we know that abusers create abusers, so hopefully you'd be able to forgive them too.
Earthly justice is different from God's justice.
>"its ok! the guy has all human emotion ripped from him so that he's literally incapable of feeling an ounce of disgust for the person that raped children."
yikes.
id rather go to hell where i can stay myself.
>where I can stay myself
>he doesn’t know
Look man no one really tries to conceptualize heaven in any logical way, very few Christians attempt to grapple with what eternal life actually means.
that's not the teaching of Jesus Christ at all. what you're spewing was made up by evangelicals in the 1800s. even Lutherans never believed this
That is completely moronic
You cannot spend your life whoring, gambling, drinking, cheating and killing then juat accept Jesus and go to heaven, thats not how that works
The iron guard, one of the most staunchly christian fanatical organization believed that by killing you doom your soul to hellfire, but they saw it as the ultimate sacrifice, the absolute martyrdom for the sake of the nation, the people and the faith, so they did it anyway
>moral decay is the death of civilization
>please clap
>oh, and support my totalitarian political faction
A classic
>state obvious fact
>point out how shit things are
>bring a solution for said shit state of the world
>"heh, but you are le nazi so your argument is le invalid"
They killed him because it worked and that was a danger to their system
The fact he stated is dubious at best, especially since a lot of what he described is usually something that takes place after a nation has been blasted by thousands of cannons.
The only canons the US has been blasted by are BBCs and its still a morally defunct shithole
I refuse to listen to people who died like complete pussies
more like
>jesus christ, watching goyim claim to be his followers
That God could have a conversation with a woman in need and change His mind because she was truly clever, faithful, and right is one of the humanizing stories of Christ that always touches me.
That's blasphemy. You're going to hell.
Based. He’s right.
What he's saying there is actually the reason why de-converts are so insufferable and why they become fedora-tippers. Childhood indoctrination literally breaks the brain, because models of reality can only really form the synaptic connections when observed reality conforms to the proposed model. If something isn't rational and you're forced to believe it anyway, it doesn't develop that area of the brain. Those models can never be confirmed with empirical observation.
Later in life when these people are de-converted from religion, their minds can never completely shake off the integrated irrationality, and they need to constantly fight against having broken thinking processes. That's probably why they need to constantly affirm their current understanding of reality and why they need to evangelize their unbelief. Instead of rationality being an intuitive process built on functioning models of reality, it's yet another dogma. Their brains never developed to have anything other than a dogma.
"Fedora tipping" isn't a real thing, it's a psyop invented because religion was getting thoroughly fricked in the public square and it had to be preserved in order to maintain the red team blue team facade.
Tell that to goddamn Matt Dillahunty. I'm telling you, de-converts from fundamentalist religion become annoying crusaders against religion. You SHOULD BE against religion. By not lying to your children about reality. Not by going "Umm, ackshyually" toward anyone wearing a cross necklace they got from their godparent.
I'm an atheist, but "fedora tipping" is 1000% real, it's one of the many, many pseudointellectual traps, like conspiracy theories and flat earth and shit, with the difference being that they are right about God not being real while being wrong that that somehow makes them Stephen Hawking
>de-converts are so insufferable and why they become fedora-tippers
He said this and then blasted the rest of his thesis without a shred of self awareness. And has the gall to call other dogmatic or irrational. Lol.
That post is not fedora-tipping anti-theist scientism jargon, you contrarian cretin. Did you really think you had some gotcha there? Also, nobody believes that you believe. If you did, you wouldn't be here. You agree with everything that's said about rational models there.
>Gets immediately filled with anger when called out
>calls what other atheist spill scientism jargon
>spills scientism jargon that has at most 5 well peer reviewed papers
Holy midwit batman.
"Midwit" is a term only used by those who want to pretend to have higher than average IQ by accusing others of having average IQ that they overestimate, and thus by implication claiming to surpass it. It's the most ironic accusation you can make.
Midwit take
Doubling down only makes you look smarter :^)
>You're going to hell. You don't deserve forgiveness
>I know better than you. Kneel.
>[bible quote] This proves I'm better than you.
Evangelicals are ironically a bigger threat to Christianity than atheists. I honestly have no idea what these morons are hoping to achieve with these angry, aggressive, hateful posts
If the anti-Christ is real, he will come in the form of an evangelical
Midwit is insulting only to those insecure about their intelligence, so it's a reliable and cheap to get a pompous pseud to reveal himself. Your post for instance
You know Rust became a low-key believer by the end of the season. Kinda was through the whole thing.
>"People often make God to be their father, and He ends up as a Big Beard In The Sky — because that's what your father is when you're five years old."
atheists are the underdogs irl though. a game where a christian fights atheists is just immense victim complex with fulfillment.
More like Cringetians
more like uhhhhh christrannies
Hail Sophia!
Finally, a good post.
>newbies that got groomed on /misc/ are now spreading their fairytales outside their containment zone
dumb tourists
>p*pist cuckolds trying to act a) Chirstian B) tough ITT
How do you confuse a c*tholic? You start quoting the Bible
>Pr*ts accepted troony priest and woman priest
>pr*ts go against serveral of the teching of christ and the early church fathers
>pr*ts would faster throw jesus under the bus rather than accept communion with rome
And they still try to claim the moral highground.
>I do to play video games to escapes this thoroughly unimpressive world that Demiurge has made.
My People!
The frick does the stranger things monster have to do with this?
That was a Demogorgon.
no that's the wizard origin from madness project nexus
So why do atheists always come off as smug tryhards with an air of superiority yet also seem like they're mad at mommy and daddy for making them go to church one time as a teens
>Reject people's attempts at playing make-believe
>Be angry about it and call people out, insisting that they are insane
>The insane people refuse to see reason and continue to affect things on a geopolitical scale
You don't even know for sure if I'm talking about religion or trannies.
They're one and the same
We're not really Christians just get omegamad because they can't defend their points.
athiests failed to develop abstract thought and can't get into metaphors. if you complained about the english teacher saying the blue curtains represent sadness and your basis is "they're just blue curtains nothing significant about this" then honestly the school should have just forced and F on you and you had to retake the class. of course i do think public schools went too far in with color theory being the primary device, it's the easiest to understand so i get why they did it.
>“Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31)
>“The end of all things is near…” (1 Peter 4:7)
>“…the coming of the Lord is near. …the Judge is standing right at the door.” (James 5:8, 9)
>We who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4:15-17).
>Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (Matthew 24:34)
so this is a metaphor for 2 more weeks or 2 more millennia?
>athiests failed to develop abstract thought and can't get into metaphors.
So where do you draw the line of metaphor vs. literal advice and description of the physical universe when it comes to your religion?
I can understand metaphor, but in my experience Christians use metaphor as a massive cope and go on to cherry pick whatever they find acceptable of distasteful
you can't even point of the differences between different denominations of the church, why are you even trying to argue over the nature of faith?
at least pretend like you're just baiting for replies instead of tacitly admitting that this really is your unfiltered, dogshit opinion and you genuinely are this moronic.
I'll keep you in my prayers because I think you need the help more than I do right now.
pathetic
"I concede" would have sufficed
>it's a metaphor when I feel like it
religious larping really fricked this site up
>So why do atheists always come off as smug tryhards with an air of superiority
But that describes zoomer tradcaths more than it describes atheists in 2023, tradcaths have the biggest egos of any religious group.
Weird how it's only that one religion you seethe about, yet it's the one that rarely pushes their views
>Weird how it's only that one religion you seethe about, yet it's the one that rarely pushes their views
No I shit on muslims on here all the time, particularly, they just rear their ugly head on Ganker less than tradcath zoomers because most muslims are too dumb to use a computer.
>yey it's the one that rarely pushes their views
I'm sorry you're literally blind and moronic. The closest you get to Islam in games is shooting terrorists or a fricking djinn. Judaism barely even exists. Christians spew their shit 100x anyone else and if you can't see that you're a complete clown.
Atheist are both more insidious and more vocal. This comes from their deep seeded sense of inferiority that comes from destrying your moral compass and the backbone of your civilization.
Completely ridiculous and unfounded persecution complex. It's just pathetic frankly.
Look at this thread there was no provocation, yet the atheist feddora thumpers had to make themselves know and heard. Seeing this one look at your post reveals the truth atheist are one of the loudest and whinniest groups online on this day and age and after their crontol over media and culture for the las 20 years they have done nothing to be proud of.
Literally read the OP, you fricking midwit.
>make thread about atheists being villains
>no provocation
cries out in pain as he strikes you etc
Theoretically, you don't need a God or theological institution to be good, but practically, there are enough dipshits in the world who can't behave themselves without the community and culture that comes from religion, such that religion becomes an important factor in social cohesion even if it's silly.
Isn't there a statistics that state;
From 10 people there's 2 good people, 2 bad people and 6 people are opportunists who will be bad or good depending on situation.
That's not really a statistic.
This is the biggest cope i've ever seen, even for a redditor you're a lying homosexual
>yet it's the one that rarely pushes their views
HAHAHAHAH
Speak for yourself you fricking Black person I hate mudslimes and israelites the most. Never reply to me again.
Epic bait
>rarely pushes their views
>rarely pushes their views
>rarely pushes their views
>rarely pushes their views
is this homie serious?
yes. christcucks cant comprehend that their every breath tries to push their own views.
I am agnostic* but I am sure those are just Reddit Atheists. On various gaming forums I lurked growing up, Atheist were good at hating any and all religion. They only liked Buddhism because at the time there was so much misinformation about it such as not having any gods (they do), and never went to war over their religion or tried doing forced conversions (they have).
*overall I feel there is a higher power but I never felt a calling towards any particular religion.
the problem with being an atheist is that you think you know better than a deity. regardless of whether or not you believe in that deity or not, if you're putting yourself conceptually above an antity which, conceptually, is omnipresent, omnibenevolent and omnipotent, you're quite literally the peak of pride and have no place casting judgement on anyone else for their beliefs.
>the problem with being an atheist is that you think you know better than a deity.
I think you missed the point of atheism anon
> if you're putting yourself conceptually above an antity which, conceptually, is omnipresent, omnibenevolent and omnipotent
You've yet again missed the point of atheism. I'm not doubting a deity, I'm doubting the people who want me to believe in him.
you might /think/ that you're only doing it as a response to other people, but this is, again, your pride manifesting itself. you refuse to see things from the point of view of the Christians that you hate: from their point of view, you're not attacking them, you're attacking Christ. from their point of view, Christ's word is law and must be upheld as a matter of principle, so when you use it against them and twist it in order to manipulate them to behaving how you want them to, they view you the same way that they view Satan when he attempted to break Christ's fast when he was in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights.
>I'm not doubting a deity
you quite literally are, and that's the entire concept of atheism; you doubt the existence of god, so you doubt that god, ergo you doubt that god's teachings, ergo you are prideful and arrogant in accordance with Christian teachings.
If you hate being called prideful and arrogant by Christians then why are you even an atheist in the first place? shouldn't you not care about what they have to say? Or is this just a matter of pride (lol, lmao) and you can't concede to losing what you perceive to be an internet argument?
tl;dr stop being prideful dude, it makes people hate you
>you might /think/ that you're only doing it as a response to other people, but this is, again, your pride manifesting itself.
Anon you are the one making the claim, and are literally so prideful that you assume that I secretly agree with your premise and am just pretending to disagree with you when in reality I agree with you. I don't think anything is more prideful than starting at the position that you're so right those who disagree with you actually secretly agree with you but won't admit it.
>you quite literally are, and that's the entire concept of atheism; you doubt the existence of god
No, you framed it as me secretly believing in god and hating him, which isn't the case. Again an unbelievably prideful assumption on your part.
>If you hate being called prideful and arrogant by Christians then why are you even an atheist in the first place? shouldn't you not care about what they have to say? Or is this just a matter of pride (lol, lmao) and you can't concede to losing what you perceive to be an internet argument?
Imagine typing this out and having the audacity to accuse other people of being smug.
I'm sorry, are you braindead? try reading my posts again. you're prideful because you can't turn away from your own perception of things.
I don't know where you got the 'secret belief in God' from, but if it's because of the last line then you seriously need help bro. I was asking why you're seething so much at the idea of a Christian calling you prideful for being the very embodiment of what a Christian would view as prideful (turning away from the teachings of Christ, viewing the word of the lord as unimportant, placing your own perception of reality above the scriptures, etc etc etc).
You wouldn't happen to be Ashkenazi by any chance, would you?
>you're prideful because you can't turn away from your own perception of things.
My position is that a lot of things are unknown, I'm not going to make big assumptions about reality like the existence of an omnipotent omniscient personal entity as a result. That's a perfectly sensible, nonprideful position to take unlike the christian position which assumes they already know exactly how everything came together.
>You wouldn't happen to be Ashkenazi by any chance, would you?
No I have a foreskin unlike most amerilard christians.
Why don't you support trannies when they say they're women then? Stop being prideful, christbro.
goes against the teachings of Christ, sorry man. I can't support that.
You can't see from their point of view? How prideful.
I see what you're trying to do here, but it's really shit bait and I'm not falling for it. have a (you) and a prayer. may god bless you.
That image doesn't make sense in the context of those posts, they're not commenting on christian doctrine and saying that anon isn't being christian. Think before you reach into your shitty meme folder.
If you're gonna be a le ebic troll at least do it well.
>You can't disagree with my beliefs because I am framing them as being from a God
People SERIOUSLY think this is a good argument
Christians follow Christ because they choose to follow his beliefs, ie their belief systems literally come from god. I refuse to believe you aren't baiting at this point, your posts are too moronic.
Yes I know you believe in God. I don't. That's the point of contention?
Since when do atheists think they know better than god? How do you think you're better than god when you don't even believe in it's existence in the first place? I don't want to accuse you of making up nonsense, but you're just making up some real moronic shit there anon.
the very act of not believing in god means that you think of everything written down in the scriptures as being less than your own perception of the world. if you can't see that as prideful then I really don't know what to say to you. if it hurts when Christians call you prideful as a result of this, maybe you should reconsider where you actually stand in all this, as you seem to take Christian values seriously enough to feel hurt when someone rebukes your beliefs in accordance with them.
Materialist atheists are hilarious because they STILL think they can understand and conceptualize the totality of creation in their moronic monkey brains which get pranked by optical illusions and basic persuasion tactics.
>they STILL think they can understand and conceptualize the totality of creation in their moronic monkey brains which get pranked by optical illusions and basic persuasion tactics.
Who claims this other than Christians?
Nice deflection bro.
>No u
Elite materialist debating.
Christians start with the assumption that they know how literally everything started and where it comes from instead of just saying they don't know (they actually don't know)
You mean thiests then? And even then that applies to athiests too, moron
Atheists don't make assumptions about those things, it's Christians who demand dogmatic unquestioning belief about things they can't demonstrate. Starting from the neutral position of "theres no reason to believe this" is not the same as making the positive claim of "you must believe this" that christians make.
>Atheists don't make assumptions about those things.
>Now here's some blanket generalizations about every Christian ever
Anon, Christianity literally prescribes belief. I don't know how you can claim otherwise and think you're being intellectually honest. Are you saying Christianity allows for an agnostic position toward Christian doctrine?
It only prescribes belief to Christians. It does not prescribe belief to people who aren't Christians. I realize that probably sounds like bullshit, but it's true. I think you're mixing up Evangelicalism with Christianity.
>It only prescribes belief to Christians.
It prescribes belief to EVERYONE, hence why proselytising is a major part of it. Christianity and Islam both seek to impose themselves over everyone else while eradicating all other modes of belief.
I don't know what to tell you, anon. I actually practice Christianity, and it is nothing like what you're describing. Adherence to most religions does require you to not follow other religions.
It's true that it in the past the state and the military has used Christianity to further its own goals in every corner of the world, but colonization, war and the forceful conversion of skeptics is hardly very Christian. I realize this probably also sounds like a load of shit to you.
Oh no, is that you JWanon?
Oh good grief, no. Lol no
Okay just checking
Again, you mean thiests, stop trying to avoid lumping your own religion in. And most athiests do take the view "you must believe this"
>Again, you mean thiests
No I definitely mean atheists, making the assumption of the positive claim that god exists is a big assumption and claim.
Read the post again anon
I'll concede and say abrahamics, since they're the big proselytising ones that seek to impose belief onto others. I'm less arsed about local customary religions that serve more as a vehicle for culture.
Are you a fricking pajeet?
No, but since they generally just stay contained to India I don't care. I've never had jeet try to insist I believe in Hinduism.
>it's been a fricking pajeet seething about religion on Ganker
Ganker was right
Nope not a jeet as much as you'd like to cope that I am, I just don't give a frick about local customary religions like that since they don't seek to expand themselves the way abrahamics do.
That wasn't your original argument though, you've only shifted now it's your religion that's being questioned
>They don't actually know
That's right. They believe without knowing, and admit to this openly. That's called "Faith".
Which is dumb because you wouldn't approach any other situation like this. Having "faith" without basis anywhere else in life is how you end up falling for jeet scams.
They don't though, it's Christians who start with the massive assumptions.
That makes no sense, moron
There's literally nothing about it which makes no sense, you have no right to be calling anyone a moron when you're this dense.
>bro, let's assume that god came from nothing and created everything that exists and also this book written two centuries ago explains that he (and like the other two parts of him that are not actually parts but the whole thing in themselves) wants us to kowtow to him or he'll be real mad.
>no, we're not making grand assumptions trust us
See
And then learn what a metaphor is
Ah yes, the classic "it was all metaphors" bullshit. Cherry picking must be so fun.
Christcucks are hilarious because they put words in other peoples mouths to try and make a point but fail miserably. No one here claimed to comprehend the creation of the universe, although I suppose the religious gays do since they believe what their middle eastern goat fricker books tell them and claim to know the answer instead of just admitting that we don't currently know.
Why yes, I do believe I am better than a figment of your imagination.
>B-But my imaginary character is super powerful, he knows everything and can do anything!
He still doesn't exist, which makes me more powerful and all knowing than him.
There is no deity.
The difference between an atheist and any religion like Christianity is the belief in 1 god and the disbelief in literally 2000 others gods which 'exist' on Earth.
literally all those religions would call you prideful from their perspective.
again, why would this even bother an atheist when their whole point is that they don't believe in any sort of god? if a christian says you're not behaving correctly in-line with their books, or a muslim says what you're doing is haram, or a hindu doesn't like that you won't pay reverence to the local cow or whatever, why does it bother you so much? you've made your bed, why can't you lie in it?
>why does it bother you so much?
What religious people believe never bothers atheists the same way no one cares if you love X video game. Its when religious people want bibles taught in school, Islam clothing forced on women, israeli supremacy practiced in society which is the problem.
You fricks can't keep your ideas in your head, you burn with desire to see everyone follow YOUR one religion even when you are, by definition, atheists minus 1.
I want none of those things. I follow the orthodox teachings, which make it extremely clear that the only entity who can bring people to church is god, and unless you either hear god's calling or directly ask him for salvation at a low point in your life, then there's no point at all even bothering with church.
not everyone is a prot, and there's a reason why literally every single denomination of the church that aren't prots views them with such disdain.
So when all churches are going to be demolished to make way for hospitals you fully support it. The only type of acceptable religion. In your home, out of public.
in accordance with the scripture, church is a place where Christians gather to worship Christ, in a sense that means even if the buildings are gone, the church remains as long as many gather who have faith in the lord. I'd assume this means you advocate for the killing of Christians because of their faith, in which case I'd have to say you sound a little psychopathic.
Don't give that guy what he wants by putting words in his mouth. He doesn't want to kill us, just troll us.
>I'd assume this means you advocate for the killing of Christians
Never said that, you made it up to try and claim some sort of morale high ground in your fake story.
But good to see you agree. Religion has no place in society and therefore, religious buildings have no place taking up valuable land which could serve a function for people.
Again the point is that religion has absolutely no place in society but you are free to believe what you want; in your own private space.
The public space however is not yours to influence. Religion has no place in government, schools, ect. When shown one simple example of how religion holds back society you claim its trolling because you know there is no such thing as religion without imposing your will on others.
>The public space however is not yours to influence. Religion has no place in government, schools, ect.
I'm a Christian and agree with you, anon. You're kind of strawmanning every single person who practices my religion by thinking that we actually want some sort of puritan, "Judeo-Christian" world government.
You're a minority. The original reply was why do people get upset at religion to which I said no one cares.
People care when you impose religion on society. As long as its in your private life absolutely no one gives a shit what you think and what fictional stories you like.
You're just kinda talking at me about stuff I already agree with and understand, anon.
I couldn't care less about the formation of a Christian world government, one of the core tenets of Christ's teachings is to turn away from such material things. All I want to do is follow Christ's teachings and prepare myself for judgement in the vain hope that might be able to repent enough to be let into the kingdom of heaven.
Christ says to love thy neighbour as thyself, so even if you're a complete moron who says the dumbest fricking shit I have ever heard, I want you to know that I don't hate you for it and I wish you all the best.
>Christian world government
I literally never mentioned anything to this. So clearly you can't even follow basic logic.
you were literally prattling on about religion influencing government in the post I quoted dude, please try to keep up.
Feel free to follow the thread chain and learn how to read.
Because when I say secular society you shit yourself in anger.
I think it is a """fake it till you make it""" thing.
In reality. Atheism is the intellectual embarrassment of the Enlightenment age. More damaging than any religion and more body counts than all of them, (abortion)
Because you project that onto them to make yourself feel better. It’s time to stop basing reality off of shit you see on twitter. There are plenty of christians that do the same thing that you describe, yet I have real world experience that shows me that it isn’t reality, just a vocal minority behind the veil of anonymity.
>season pass includes 3 DLCs
Mormonbros, we're eating good...
If the Bible is such an interesting and cool read, why are all Chrisitsn games I've played boring as frick?
Ifunny christians are more annoying than reddit atheists now tbh.
>noooooo, chemosh, don't beat me up, aiiiieeeeee
https://religions.wiki/index.php/Jehovah_defeated_by_Chemosh
>The Old Testament tells of a human sacrifice to the god Chemosh apparently causing "great divine wrath" against the army of Israel, followed by their withdrawal from the war with the Moabites. Jehovah had previously promised that Israel would prevail. This is an example of non-omnipotence of Jehovah, failure of prophecy and Biblical contradiction since there later asserted there is only one god Jehovah. This is an example of polytheism in the Bible.
>God promises victory to israel if they keep faithful
>They stray
>god no longer delivers victory
You have anything else?
nice headcanon you made up
Thats literally what happens in your write up. Its not my fault you are so distraught at not having a moral compass you have to make shit up.
keep lying, maybe you'll see chemosh
The Israeli didn't win after sacrificing to their idol infact they lost. Just like you'll continue to lose.
lose to what? your israeli fairytales lost to chemosh lmao
>causing "great divine wrath" against the army of Israel, followed by their withdrawal from the war with the Moabites.
Implying, pray to the idol, get smoked
hahahahaha, dumb moron can't read, no wonder you got groomed on /misc/ lmao
>Christian game
>there is no game
Games where the church are on the good guys' side?
Curious Expedition 2
As long as you consider yourself the good guy
Fire Emblem Three Houses
>being a christian when you can be an atheist pretending to be a pagan
Why should I orient my entire fricking live around the mythos and ethos of a tribe of goatfrickers southeast of the Mediterrenean
>you a member of a squad of magicians who fight against the first creature made by God before humans
>a priest asks you for a prey before the final mission
> I am an atheist
>I'm Christian, Christ's word is law!
>also frick poor people I wish they'd all die
>rich people are objectively good people
>I hate anyone who doest look like me
Sir take your pills, you are having a psychotic episode.
meds
Name fifty trillion games like this NOWd or I shallst'opher be notiying ye olde janitorial staffe
just play Darklands.
>Church is atheists and go around hunting religious people
Name 1 game
ANY game its a christian game of I'm playing this bad boy in the background.
>Ready to become Christpilled
>Open bibbler
>Book 1, Chapter 1: Genesis
>Talking snake
People DIED over this
They're still dying over this talking snake book
Kinda wild how "talking snake that dispenses hidden knowledge" is a cornerstone motif throughout just about every ancient religion around the world.
People died over a book that starts with talking snakes. I'm still in shock anon. Aren't you? Are the talking snakes with you right now?
You come off as more ignorant and smarmy than credulous. I hope you're aware of this. It probably comes out that way in person too which I'm sure would explain an awful lot if you sat down and thought about it instead of immediately typing the next bitter retort following this (You).
Btw, can you prove there were talking snakes? If not, see:
I'm not interested in reading anything else tbh
If your argument for god hinges on talking snakes, Anon, it's time to reconsider that class on apologetics you took at bibbler school.
>"talking snake that dispenses hidden knowledge" is a cornerstone motif throughout just about every ancient religion around the world.
Name ten
The Abrahamic faiths, Taoism, Mesoamerican, Egyptian, and various shamanistic traditions all around the world share the serpent as a bringer of hidden knowledge and wisdom.
So you named four and handwaved six with "some shamans across the world I guess"
You'd think with the thousands of ancient religions, it'd be easy to name a more or less independent specific 10 of them
Yeah you got me it's been a while since I've read deeply on the subject and I don't have the exact names of various Mesoamerican tribes besides the Incans and Aztecs who both shared this motif despite being thousands of miles and centuries apart, and don't recall the exact names of the Amazonian tribes who also claim the serpent as a guiding spirit.
And yet you make the claim of (almost) every ancient religion basing their motifs around a talking snake revealing truths.
There are thousands, if not tens of thousands of religions throughout history, yet you struggle to name ten that would support your ad-hoc argument.
You seem pretty incurious but I admitted to not having read deeply on the subject in a couple years. I'm not an anthropologist and wouldn't be able to recite them by name, but it's an extremely common phenomenon and you would have a harder time finding faiths that did not use a serpent as a symbol of wisdom and hidden knowledge than finding those that do.
I am curious, I just find it very funny that you can't even name ten out of thousands of religions that YOU claim believe serpents to be these harbingers of hidden knowledge.
I am skeptical of your claim. I expect you to back up your claim. For you to say "You just need to look into it" is lazy and dishonest. It should be incredibly easy for you to name a mere ten examples out of thousands.
NTA but you are simply claiming "name all the specific examples out of the thousands of Religions I just assume to have existed" when you probably can't even name 10 that actually mattered in history or today. Most of them were just among the nameless "Shamanistic beliefs" that never went anywhere.
That anon's original claim (or at least the claim he supported) was ""talking snake that dispenses hidden knowledge" is a cornerstone motif throughout just about every ancient religion around the world."
Key phrase being " just about every ancient religion around the world"
Nothing about being historically or culturally relevant.
Nothing about mattering today.
It's an extreme claim that I objected to, and now you are trying to shift the goalposts for that other anon, saying that it should only matter for what you deem culturally and historically relevant and shifting the burden of proof onto me.
Arent crows and ravens used more in pagan religions as bearers of knowledge? I know the nords and some chinese have them, makes more sense too, crows are clever.
He provided a book where he got that thought from and you;re taking offense over the semantics of "just about every" and asking he manually prove that at least 51% of all ancient religions mentioned about the serpent.
He provided his own evidence already, you provided nothing.
>asking he manually prove that at least 51% of all ancient religions mentioned about the serpent.
All I asked for 10 examples out of thousands lmao, and he failed to provide even that.
I can't even name 10 different ancient religions. I am sure there (with or without serpent) but I can't name them. We also have to clear up if Hinduism vs Buddhaism count as two different ones when Buddhism is actually a spin off from Hinduism. If not, then Judaism, Christianity, and Islam would also be one religion as well.
Honestly I just want to know more about the all great snek, if he's(???) cute, and if he could be considered the mastermind behind nearly all religions in the world.
You're arguing with multiple people now but The Cosmic Serpent is a good ass book and gave me a seriously big think. I read it right after Beyond Fear and the two in conjunction gave my faith and knowledge a healthy shake, in a good way. It's nice to feel the edges of your belief system and see what more you have to learn.
based, maybe one day you'll be free from the chains of religion, can look back and say "man a lot of the stuff i said made me sound crazy"
science occultism is a religion and a cult, whether you believe it or not.
abbos too
You'd think with the thousands of ancient religions,
Name 20.
Do not just copy-paste from Wikipedia either, give at least 1 sentence to what they each were
Name them all, even the ones that predate your desert israelite shit :^)
Snakes have always been associated with the esoteric because of their nature; many camoflague, they are generally ambush predators, and inconspicuous method of motility.
>Babbies first evopsyche take
You fricking moron you have zero way to prove that. It's literally a statement of faith.
Ah yes, because the talking four-legged snake in the garden is so much more founded in the evidence than the basic fact that people ascribe certain traits to certain animals.
The idea that humans in entirely different environments with entirely different histories and genetic makeups and cultures in entirely different time periods all happened to lock onto the same few symbols for exactly the same interpretation is as big a leap of faith as assuming you can spam the universal RNG until you get a perfect ratio and implementation of gravity, light, heat, and matter to create a stable universe where life can exist in disparate pockets (or maybe just one).
Snakes are pretty ubiquitous albeit. And so are carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, and oxygen.
>Everywhere has snakes therefore everywhere has foundational myths where snakes dispense transformative wisdom because... because they just DO oKaY?!
Materialist L.
The esoteric is often a symbol of untapped wisdom. And snakes represent the esoteric in their very nature. I don't even think this contradict your Christian worldview considering that God made the serpent that way, but I guess explainations more abstract than talking four legged snakes and biblical literalism make you mad for some reason. (I'm not even a materalistic reductionist lmao, but biblical literalism is the biggest L you can take to anyone not mentally moronic)
I think "Biblical literalism" is different from "The Bible literally explains all of prehistory, antiquity, history, and the end of days." That's a very hard discussion to have with people primed to jump at gotchas and word-thinking though, since you have to discern words as symbols and symbols as multilayered. Is the Serpent a literal snake? Is it the same as the animal snakes we see? Are there other things we are being taught about using snakes because we cannot or could not understand the totality of what is being explained?
Why did Christ use parables? They are fables, they are about us, they are about morality, they are about God, and they are fodder for us to talk about and try to unveil higher meaning from.
It's like, what is a "day" to God in Genesis, when there is not even light or darkness yet? That's an easy place to start, and yet one of the most impossible questions to answer.
Any game based on Tolkien world is a christian game in its building blocks and concepts.
question for christians in the thread:
why do 5 year olds get cancer?
if god was all knowing then he would know about children with cancer.
if he was all loving he would want to do something about it
if he was all powerful then he would cure them.
if he was testing faith, then who's the test for? the child? they can barely comprehend whats going on, to them they're just being tortured by an invisible force.
is the parent being tested? there are better ways to test someone's faith that dont come at the cost of an innocent life being tortured to death.
is the child being punished for another's sins? thats sin of the father, something heretical to suggest.
is god "bringing the child to him sooner"? there are better ways to do that, you dont need to make a child suffer for years on end.
The real question is:
Why you care about anon's faith?
Seriously, you didn't believe in God and nothing anon says can change your mind.
I care about people's beliefs in mainstream religions because those beliefs influence their political decisions and beliefs.
I don't give a single frick if you believe in santa claus. I would give a frick if millions and millions of people believed in santa claus and let that fact affect how they vote for representatives and how they treat other people.
So... you blame religion for people's action, huh?
What next? You genuinely think that the world will be better without religion?
>you blame religion for people's action, huh?
Not entirely. There are people who do good things because of religion and there are people who do bad things because of religion.
I do think, however, that religion is in no way necessary to be a good person, and that religion is predatory by nature.
Maybe you should stop letting yourself be swayed by things that are temporary and of this earth. none of those things are eternal.
But Christ? now Christ is eternally your bro. You frick up? he's got your back. You make a mistake? literally just ask him for forgiveness and he'll give you a pat on the back and say it's all good. If you're really struggling, he can even help you out of whatever rut you're in, and this is at points when no-one else would even bother.
Why would you turn someone away who would happily offer a helping hand to people like you and me, fricking Ganker posters, who the rest of the world views as better off dead in a rotting flesh pit?
I don't believe you're that far gone that you can turn away from that.
i like watching christcucks struggle to answer the question. ive yet to see a single answer to the child cancer problem that doesnt do one of the following
>make god look like a dick
>break the all loving/knowing/powerful rule
>make himself look absolutely fricking insane
To God having the world be a ‘neutral’ place of free will is of vital importance, even if it leads to suffering
>B-but then He’s not all loving!!
Don’t care. I’ve suffered a lot in my life and I still agree with Him. He’s all loving, cope.
What does free will have to do with the incidence of cancer
Cancer is a living thing, it have free will too.
cancer is realistically not too different in scope from killer diseases of the past, it just spreads in a different way. any argument made explaining why the lord allows the existence of things like smallpox also explains why things like cancer and diabetes are allowed. if you really care about learning more, you can go and look these arguments up online.
Here's the issue: the arguments you're referring to aren't very satisfying, which is why these questions persist.
being told to take your meds isn't a very satisfying conclusion to a problem concerning mental health, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't take your meds.
Yeah but one of those arguments are useful, and the one about God allowing smallpox really isn't.
>free will means that children get cancer because ???
nobody gave that child cancer. i dont have a magical cancer giving spell.
how does free will play into this?
>that was responded by seminars of the church literally mora than 1000 years ago
alright then, whats the answer to the question?
When adam and eve first disobeyed god they were aflicted with many evils born from this betrayal, like hunger, pain, and sickness. Sickness became a fuction of the world as natural as fire or lighting. Paulinus posits that we must endure these hardships in order to enter the kingdom of god, for even if we where cast out for our sins everyman woman and child can reenter his graces through living a pious life, sickness is just another fuction of the world, god isn't the cause of the childs suffering but he is the spiritual cure and in time he will join the kingdom of heaven. God won't just cure the child since it was us humanity that chose this path, god loves the child and will accept him with open arms if the covenant is maintained, and god is good and with give him eternal life if it is so.
The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them. Ezekiel 18:20
glory to god in the highest and peace to his people on earth, both now and ever and unto the ages of ages amen.
lord have mercy,
lord have mercy,
lord have mercy.
Can you explain your use of this quote since we where talking about cancer and not sin, unless you are using this quote as an argument against the original sin since all meat is tainted thats what bautism is for, one of the oldest sacraments christians, that was started by jesus himself.
Yes, the quote is explaining how original sin is an illogical concept when taken in context with what God says in the rest of the old testament, before Jesus comes on the scene.
>two gullible people were gullible and got tricked by a talking snake that preys on gullible people
>god got mad at the fact that the two people he explicitly made to be gullible were gullible and got tricked
>so thats why every child has a chance for cancer
so god is a dick. got it.
Who are you quoting, moron?
the bible
Where does it say that?
Genesis
you, adam and eve LITERALLY didnt know the difference between right and wrong before the apple.
god told them "dont eat the apple, the apple is bad!"
and they thought "whats bad? do you know what bad is" "no, but god said we shouldnt eat it so we probably shouldnt"
they were gullible as fricking shit, knowing barely anything. they could hardly be blamed for being tricked into eating the apple.
and yet, god in all of his love punished humanity forever because they were tricked.
Riddle me this, how is God justified in punishing two individuals (and their descendants in perpetuity) for a crime they, by design, could not comprehend?
because he wanted to
ergo; he's a dick
yeah he's a dick or whatever etc. but this should be the answer the pretty much any theological question ever
>why did / does god do x?
he wanted to, the end
then dont spout god as all loving, you literally just aditted to the fact that he isnt.
How all-loving of him
Consider for a moment that he also made the serpent and was fully aware of its intentions the entire time.
because they did the one thing he told them not to do. you must not have any kids.
So you punish your kids for doing things they can't comprehend are wrong?
yes, and then you tell them why what they did was wrong.
God didn't need to tell Adam or Eve, because they ate the fruit of knowledge, which granted them the knowledge that what they did was wrong.
Again, you must not have any children.
So then you ruined your kids' lives forever after they touched the stove, right?
if they touched the stove the wrong way then they've probably ruined their own lives tbh. not the best example you could have used, but I commend you for trying, Mr IDF man. Maybe you should start thinking of how you can try to justify bombing another orthodox chruch, you might get more shekels from your boss if you do.
Why would an Israeli israelite be arguing against genesis, dipshit
for the sake of spreading dissent on the internet. that and atheism originates from ashkenazim.
Sorry man, the IDF are too busy producing copies of Mein Kampf from Palestinian childrens' living rooms apparently to shitpost on Ganker.
the seething at this thread's OP says otherwise
>can't argue your own shitty religious doctrine
>accuse your opponent of being israeli
classic
well, you didn't deny it.
>if they touched the stove the wrong way then they've probably ruined their own lives
it's your job to protect them and teach them to be better, not impose rules and torture them if they break them.
torture =/= punishment. use the proper words or I won't talk to you anymore.
He didn't torture them. He just made them mortal
so why do all humans have to suffer their mistakes?
They're the first humans and were made mortal as a result of their decision to eat the fruit. It follows that their descendants would also be mortals.
I chose to eat the fruit, anon. I knew something bad was gonna happen when I ate it. For what it's worth, my suffering isn't unbearable. Mortality isn't all that bad. I'll end up back in the garden when I die.
>It follows that their descendants would also be mortals.
Not really, no.
Why not? That seems to be how things work on the version of Earth that I live on.
Is that the one where God could have removed the taint of sin from Cain and Abel with zero effort at all but didn't because reasons?
That would be the one, yup. Murder is cool now? No consequences for fratricide? Is that what I'm hearing? Clear this up for me.
I mean if you want to do that, go for it, just don't be surprised when other people hold you accountable for it.
Is there an actual point that you had in mind when you started replying to me?
Yeah, that the genesis story despite all the apologism in the thousands of years since it was written still doesn't really work as a good explanation for suffering in the world.
That's a pretty big ask of such a short book, to be fair.
Really enduring symbolism though, have to concede that.
For sure. It sure is continuing to get people to talk about the issue of free will and the nature of good and evil, isn't it?
It doesn't have to be a "good" or "fair" explanation to be a descriptive one. Humans attained knowledge of good and evil, a conscience and consciousness, given to us by the Serpent, which lead to our choosing alienation from God and our awareness of earthly suffering and toil.
A fox with its leg caught in a trap will not bemoan and woe over having to chew off the leg to survive. A human will conceptualize it, to the point where having to make such decisions under duress is a point of distinct horror which can be captured and shared for entertainment.
It's not a story that reflects well on God, and if the argument there is that God is above such things, then it turns into how God can be called good.
Because what is good to God is not what humans consider worldly goods, which are normally animal comforts and attachments. Being forever grateful to God for good times and bad opens us up to healing and growth, to making the best of even the worst sufferings the world can inflict on us, and bring us peace and happiness despite the world, not from it.
>Being forever grateful to God for good times and bad opens us up to healing and growth, to making the best of even the worst sufferings the world can inflict on us, and bring us peace and happiness despite the world, not from it.
This is describing the human experience as essentially good, but the point of religion is to leave it behind for eternity. Can you experience personal growth in heaven?
>I chose to eat the fruit, anon
God knew you were going to eat it before you were born, you never made a choice.
>I knew something bad was gonna happen when I ate it.
only as far as you knew that you were told not to do it by an authority figure. Adam & Eve had no concept of morality before eating the fruit of good and evil.
I don't know why you think I don't understand my own religion.
>only as far as you knew that you were told not to do it by an authority figure
That is good. God defines good and evil because he is the truth. Eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is about rejecting God and redefining good and evil to each persons interpretation.
>god made them mortal so everything after is mortal
God made the angels, does that make the angels god? Obviously not.
I honestly don't understand what you mean by this post.
>I didn't TORTURE anyone, I just made it so that their pain receptors respond to contact with oxygen!
Should you be allowed to do crimes if you don't comprehend their consequences?
Even the most liberal societies still have youth correction centers.
Adam and Even didn't have a concept of wrongdoing.
Adam and eve were given rules to follow and according to most readings eve, even doubted for it would displease god. Yet you say that they didn't grasp the concept, why are you so hard pressed to lie.
>according to most readings
not according to the bible itself
You still havent posted any passag. Huh.
The literal translation is the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
>Should you be allowed to do crimes if you don't comprehend their consequences?
Obviously not, but God also had every opportunity to prevent that crime.
And most sensible societies have the concept of criminal insanity when it comes to criminals who do not understand right from wrong, and they are not punished in the same way that sane people are.
But comparing human crimes to the crimes of adam and eve is asinine because the government didn't design criminals from the ground up with foreknowledge that they would commit the crimes and fully enabling the crime to be committed despite having the option not to enable it.
It's not that they didn't comprehend the crime, it's that they deliberately didn't follow God's command not to take an apple of the tree
>two gullible people were gullible and got tricked by a snake that preys on gullible people
>god got very upset that the two people he made to be very gullible were gullible
yes this was mentioned in the thread already
He doesn't understand what love is anon, it's too abstract for him
We got it the midwitiest argument that was responded by seminars of the church literally mora than 1000 years ago lmao. I love atheists
>about 175 posts later
>still no response
cmon chistanons whats the holdup, surely you must have a great answer that paints god in a good light.
like this anon said,
. a great answer already exists. all you have to do is copy it!
Christians are rarely the villains though, it's usually an Evil Church that exploits the faithful out of greed, and if there's a final boss, it's some corrupted god, priest, or a case of "they were actually the demons all along"
only sane video game related post in the thread, btw.
Name 5 games
They don't exist. Schizophrenia is a common occurrence in the religious
>Ready to become Sciencepilled
>Open textbook
>Book 1, Chapter 1: Atomic Theory
>Lines and Circles
People DIED over this
They're still dying over this geometry book
>Angry because we can actually prove atomic theory and derive useful things from it instead of talking snakes
>proving anything
postmodernism would like to have a word with you
>Science defines the world
>Science only makes sense if you inherently believe in the rational intelligibility of the universe and that it's supposed to make sense. Pioneered by Academies and sciences advocated by Christians.
Absolute KEK.
Atheist can't comprehend that there was a world before Dawkins and that there will be a world after him. Lol lmao.
No one gives a shit about Dawkins anymore man.
He is you conceptual father. And he was betrayed by the same forces he pushed for. So yeah ofcourse noone cares about Dawkins anymore he had served his purpose.
Had Dawkins never been born my own views would not be changed. There is not a single thing he contributed intellectually to my own views.
christcucks cant comprehend that "satan's temptation" cant be used as an excuse for everything.
And Dawkin's only claim to fame has already been debunked: https://aeon.co/essays/the-selfish-gene-is-a-great-meme-too-bad-it-s-so-wrong
If a person believes in biological determinism (we're only following the chemicals in our brain) than rationality doesn't exist
Maybe to talk about determinism when you really don't understand it.
>no u
Stunning rebuke
you made no argument worth a rebuke
>Science only makes sense if you inherently believe in the rational intelligibility of the universe and that it's supposed to make sense
No it doesnt.
Yes, it does.
Nope. Give some evidence for that.
https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/beyond-reason
That just says theres a mind because I say there is a mind and the mind is my god because the bible is really old.
You have no way of accounting for logic either other than just presupposing it's given to you by God which is baseless
>You have no way of accounting for logic either
Yes, there is.
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No, it doesn't. If you're going to argue, actually address the assertions.
Yes it does I read it.
>The rational intelligibility of the universe, for instance, points to the existence of a Mind that was responsible both for the universe and for our minds
The author states that with 0 fricking proof, he doesnt back it up ever he just says the universe points to God.
The universe having hard and fast rules encoded in our physics and mathematics that are totally arbitrary is a pretty keen signal that something is making decisions. Simply having all the physical forces necessary for universal stability is out there at a level of out-there beyond human comprehension.
The universe is anything but stable.
>having hard and fast rules
We dont. Like we think light speed is the limit but we dont actually know or have evidence for it.
You account for logic through presupposition which is literally what I just said
>Galileo cited constantly by atheist tards as "a scientist who was persecuted by the Inquisition."
>Go and read how exactly he was punished.
>Punished not for what he claimed, or spreading it, but for not having enough evidence whilst publishing as facts.
>The punishment? Say a litany once every day for a year; later shortened to six months. He refused and did this for a whole year.
Truly, a reign of terror.
>He refused and did this for a whole year.
But why?
Because he was a pious man, unlike what the modern ruling religion (science worship) would like you to believe
Because the vast majority of scientists who did breakthroughs were deeply religious men.
That sounds like a dogshit Christian game, OP. I don't see atheists as my enemies. Most of my family members are atheists.
Why do israelites hate Jesus again?
Current day israelites are all descended from those who rejected Christ and basically they've been taking L after L since.
They don't, they just think he's a heretic.
The main thing is that Jesus attempted to nullify the pact with god that made israelites the spiritual master race.
To christians, he succeeded and now all israelites are damned unless they convert
To israelites, he failed but caused so much damage to israeli hegemony they still haven't recovered. The success of christianity in the first and second millenniums puts their beliefs in doubt and this scares the shit out of them.
He wasn't the war God they thought he was going to be and smite Rome and all of Israel's enemies.
Nobody respects christians. You mock jesus and they laugh it off like cucks. At least muslims would end your life or try to.
What do you think your "mockery" actually does?
I don't mock any religion. I'm just saying Christianity in it's current form is nothing but a husk. The only people respectable in its current form are Eastern Orthodox Christians.
The fetishism for eastern orthodoxy (which I respect greatly) is only done because of how foreign they are and being mixed up with looking "cool". It's largely signaling, not actual faith. Of course, if you're actually a practicing Eastern Orthodox Christian, then that's fricking awesome. They have some seriously hardcore fasting rules and if you can adhere to that I think that's very impressive and beautiful.
But you could mock an Orthodox Christian and they're still commanded to simply let you. You don't get how small your mockery is.
>The fetishism for eastern orthodoxy (which I respect greatly) is only done because of how foreign they are and being mixed up with looking "cool". It's largely signaling, not actual faith.
I don't know about others, but I'm in the process of converting to Orthodoxy from Anglicanism. I'm not converting because it looked cool, I'm doing it it because the Anglican church (along with almost every other church aside from the byzantine catholic church) can hardly even be called Christian anymore, while the Orthodoxy hasn't really changed since its inception, hence why fasting is such an important part of the faith.
Congratulations! I hope it's a good home for you. Roman Catholicism has always been home to me, even after going astray, and I know it has its problems but that's true of any earthly organization and my part in fixing it is with attention and love.
>respectable
>orthodogs
they are literally an arm of KGB, they drive BMW and the head is a Putin's friend from school
>Christian game
>4th crusade simulator
>play as crusaders
>you compete with muslims to see who can sack the most christian cities
People keep posting this image and are completely oblivious to Longinus being a saint in both RC and EO.
He's a saint in Christian canon, too. The spear he used on Christ is one of the holiest relics in the Church's possession.
>More religion = more conflict
>Less religion = less conflict
I need not know any more of religion than this fact.
>Less religion = less conflict
Are you sure about that?
>Secular Countries
Yeah, I am
Then you're an idiot lmao. Less religion =/= less conflict that's not how humanity works and every powerful secular nation that's ever existed has been extremely warlike and violent because people, with or without religion, are warlike and violent. You don't need religion as an excuse when there's a dozen other factors
No I just studied history and don't believe in the tooth fairy like you.
If you studied history then you'd know the Tooth Fairy was real you fricking Black person.
Remember; the difference between you and an atheist in the belief in 1 made up fictional character.
>I'm an atheist because I studied history
Probably the most moronic reason for being an atheist. You ever consider how the majority of the Nobel Prize winners in the sciences are religious? The argument of
>I'm smart because I'm an atheis
Is the most moronic fedora take of all time.
And I'm an atheist btw
>people, with or without religion, are warlike and violent
Religion and culture is literally the cause of all wars
>Religion and culture is literally the cause of all wars
You think economics doesn't play a major role in starting wars? Lmao
It's fricking dumb. People cause wars, not religion. You can leave two holy books in a room and nothing will happen. You can have two holy people in a room and they can have peace and probably a great time.
It's when people, and their worldly contentions for power, politics, and Earthly dominion and glory get involved that wars occur.
I'm not a history buff, so I won't make definitive statements, but is seems to me that religion has been a major influence in plenty of wars.
Not the ONLY influence, necessarily, but a major one.
>You can have two holy people in a room and they can have peace and probably a great time.
Jerusalem. The most holy site on earth. Has been involved in more conflicts than any other location on earth.
One time not long ago someone placed a ladder in the wrong spot and it caused a riot (True story). And the only form of "peace" which has been achieved is absolute stagnation so that no one can change or touch anything.
tldr religion at best causes stagnation, at worst conflict.
Sounds like a human problem. Religion is a civilizing force above all. Remove it and you see people quickly devolve into savagery or despair within just a couple generations.
>Remove it and you see people quickly devolve into savagery or despair within just a couple generations.
Ah yes, the old 'Why not just murder and rape if you don't believe in god' argument.
I do murder and rape as much as I want. Which is 0, the same as the majority of humanity. You don't need fiction to be a good person.
Those who would murder and rape because, generally, they are low IQ psychopaths are in fact hemmed in by a strict judicial theology. For those of us above murder and rape, knowing that there is a higher power with a mission and destiny for us all, and that life is a gift to be shared and not squandered, keeps us away from despair and hedonism.
What you see in the west is despair and hedonism, and with it comes more tolerance for murder and rape.
>jews
Come. On. Now.
>People within a country share the same religion and culture
>0 Internal conflicts
>People have separate religion or cultural beliefs (i.e. American Civil War), instant conflict
Yes, culture is the cause of all wars. Resources have always been exploited or shared by groups but conflict only occurs when the person exploiting that resource is different from your people.
within a country share the same religion and culture
>>0 Internal conflicts
You study the history of the sengoku jidai and tell me that sharing the same religion and culture means dick in preventing wars lmao
Go to sleep, boy.
No they aren't
>fact
Anon... that's a platitude condensed into a facebook meme. And perhaps the dumbest, least educated argument ITT
A tale as old as israelites.
Jesus from a the Hebrew lens
>newbies got groomed on /misc/ and now shit up the place
israelite worshippers ar mentally ill
There was a nice religion thread on the board earlier today, before public school was out for the day. 😐
Thoughts on this?
I think most atheists when talking about the cruelty of the old testament god usually point to something like Sodom and Gomorrah, or the youths getting killed by bears for making fun of a prophet. Or any of the wacky mythological shit that happened in the OT.
If this image is a criticism against the problem of evil it's not very well written.
Yeah but when you really think about it...
what's wrong with this?
they seem to be having fun
is christianity anti-fun now?
so if a child misbehaves, the only options are either to murder it or leave it alone?
The drastic gap in quality between this thread and the Gnosticism in games thread from earlier today is pretty funny considering it's discussing a lot of the same things.
I bet nobody in this thread has changed their mind about anything. What a worthless argument
welcome to Ganker, you must be new here.
The number of religious people has been decreasing rapidly for a long time now. So these sorts of debates have had some level of effect.
that was in 2005. it's 2023 now and the orthodoxy is seeing more people joining its fold than it ever had done in the past.
get with the times, old man.
I think the blame for the decline of Christianity can be placed squarely at the feet of American Protestantism tbh
I can't fault people for being so violently disapproving of Christianity when one of the most powerful countries on the planet has decided that Evil Christianity is the right way to do it
Sleepy joe is a papist. No presidents were christian in the loosest sense besides maybe trump, and lincoln in the later years of the civil war.
>besides maybe trump
Come on man, he barely tried to pretend he was.
Simple Joe, as he was called over thirty years ago, is also a fricking moron AND completely senile now. The president isn't the god emperor that dictates the entirety of American culture. He's a sock puppet.
Did you somehow forget about the 200 some-odd years of American history before the 1960s? The whole Puritan thing?
Puritans were a minority of settlers, and they took a backseat to politics. Nothing about america from its inception to today was based or inspired on puritan theology. It's crazy how obsessed catholics are with puritans just for beating them in a war.
You're dead wrong, but I'm tired of posting in this thread and don't care to elaborate on why. Why do you think I'm a Catholic?
So you're just a bad pop history geek?
No, I'm just a boring old Christian. What are you even getting out of posting in this thread?
I'm telling the truth in a sea of lies. If that makes you mad then maybe you should repent.
Why are you content to limit such important work to pissing contests on Ganker - Video Games, anon?
Because I'm gaming rn and occasionally switching to my browser to look at threads.
Why do you guys chop off a chunk of your dicks?
They are decreasing since after the 2000 the total control of institutions by post modernists was completed and they started to challenge every hierarchy, they made use of atheist for this, and now that they have had their way are dismantelling every tradition that made our countries what ther are. Well done you are architects of this societal rot.
It's almost not even an argument. It's just
>Here's my opinion
>Oh yeah well here's mine
>Well here is my opinion
>You have an opinion!
>You also have an opinion!
Some of the people who lurk did. Christianity is dead anyway, I'm just here to make fun of the former atheists who became tradcaths in 2016 as a reaction to the current times.
The church has suffered worse than today's world and no amount of selfserving hedonistic atheism borne to serve their masters will destroy it. If the situation was that bad you wouldn't expend the effort in broadcasting it golem.
Why would you be anything other than agnostic?
It's the only rational stance to take, because we simply don't know
Even if you can lack the knowledge, you could still believe it.
Agnosticism and theism/atheism are not mutually exclusive.
I would not set my child on fire for taking taking a cookie out of a cookie jar. Also the whole parent analogy is a shitty one because if I have a child I do not know what they are going to do at any moment during their entire life in advance and more importantly I DID NOT DESIGN my child to be a particular way.
>I would not set my child on fire for taking taking a cookie out of a cookie jar.
quite literally just blowing things out of proportion to make yourself seem rational. you're treating this discussion like an 'I AM SILLY' comic where you're the protagonist.
Actually I'd say setting your child on fire and allowing suffering to be introduced into the world for all of time are fairly proportional.
>quite literally just blowing things out of proportion
If anyone is blowing things out of proportion, it's God. He's literally doing North Korean punishments of turbocrack
like this anon said
its pretty proportionate
>set cookie jar (tree of knowledge) on the counter (inside the garden of eden)
>kid goes to school (does no-knowledge-human things)
>gets told by the troublemaker (satan) "dude you should take a cookie from the jar (eat an apple from the tree) your mom (god) wont know!"
>moronic and gullible kid (human) takes a cookie from the jar (eats an apple from the tree)
>parent (god) catches them
>parent (god) sets kid (human) on fire as a punishment (creates sufferingm diseases, sin, and hell as a punishment)
forgot to mention
>all of this could have been avoided by putting the cookie jar (tree of knowledge) ontop of a high cabinet (outside the garden of eden)
Also this is missing the implication that the parent created the child with the exact specifications that the child wouldn't understand the moral implications of taking a cookie from the cookie jar, that the parent also created the troublemaker who tells the kid to take the cookie and that the parent placed the cookie jar on the table with the foreknowledge that the child was going to ultimately take the cookie, all while having the option to have none of these things happen while allowing the child to live a full and perfectly happy life.
The parent analogy for god has always been moronic
>The parent analogy for god has always been moronic
the point is to represent a human who is more powerful and knowledgeable and a human who is weak and doesn't know a lot. The adult is supposed to teach the child WHY not to do things, not just command without explanations.
OK but God is not a human. He's observing the entire wheel of human time simultaneously.
The problem with the parent analogy is that a parent does not have perfect control as to what a child will be like, what they will know and what they are capable on knowing.
God had the power to make Adam & Eve understand the ramifications, consequences and his intentions when it came to the fruit of good and evil. Yet he chose not to.
It's no different than placing a blue button and a red button in front of a two-year old, pointing at the blue button, smiling and going "yay!" and pointing at the red button, frowning and going "grr!"
The baby might understand, at some extremely basic level, that you prefer one button over the other. But it's still going to smack both buttons eventually, in whichever order.
For god to get upset at the outcome is immoral and foolish.
i love that button analogy, it perfectly describes the core problem with god getting mad over the tree of knowledge.
thanks anon, i'll make sure to use it in the future.
That is exactly what makes the entire term meaningless. When you answer "2+2=4" do you say you are "agnostic" toward the answer because there's always a chance you are just completely fricking insane?
>gather around, my angels
>I'm going to create humans and say they were made in my image even though they're actually way inferior to all of us
>I'll put them in a garden that is perfect but will have a manipulative serpent wandering around in it for no reason because frick them that's why
>now Lucifer, I want you to pretend to be evil and try to get as many of them sent to Hell as possible because I think it would be really funny
>see these guys over there? they're my chosen people. chosen. to get exiled and fight over a patch of desert for the next 3,000 years.
>If God is real, then why do the jannies work for free? checkmate atheist!
>Christians actually take the story of Adam and Eve as fact
Even at my most indoctrinated I thought that was just a story
most don't outside of boomer southern evangelical circles
Christianity has been chipped away for thousands of years, it's why apologetics is a thing.
There used to be a time when the vast majority of Christians accepted Adam & Eve as a factual event. Then came the theological arguments and scientific proof against it. After which Adam & Eve became just a metaphor.
Many such cases, god of the gaps and whatnot
I been arguing about it in the thread and i consider it to be a parable, but atheist can never argue in good faith (heh) and still come short whenever they try to argue religious concepts, so i argued from the view point it was 100% factual and they still failed lol.
>if youre a christian your major sources of biblical knowledge come from belief in an institue so corrupt it was once had a century known as the pornocracy
>even if you reject the catholic church you are still reliant on the knowledge that they kept and held on to for literal centuries that they controled
Muzzies are even fricking worse. Do we actually have a confirmation for known descendats for Hazrat Ali anymore?
I really hope that nobody out there is naive enough to actually take the "Christians" that do nothing but talk about who they hate and want dead on this website actually think we're like that. Those guys are just Hardcore Gamers and virginity conservation enthusiasts
I wonder why commies come here.
Their ideology requires insanity to make sense. So, they come here.
>CHILDREN OF JUDAH I AM WITH YOU TO TAKE THE LAND I PROMISED YOU EVEN DOE I LET OTHER PEOPLE ALREADY LIVE THERE
>WAIT A MINUTE...DO THE CANAANITES HAVE....IRON CHARIOTS????
>RETREAT RETRE-AAAACKK
Don't Christians have bigger enemies, like Islam and Judaism? Seems like they'd rather suck those heathen's wieners. Even the protestants and catholics would rather fight each other than anti-christians
classic divide et impera post right here, friendly reminder to everyone in this thread not to respond to posts like this.
I mean you've got those people calling the Christian god evil vs atheism, which is nothing more than the absence of theistic doctrine
arr same god
Apparently its all the same god. Everyones just arguing about the hypeman.
The reason why muslims are in the west and no government tries to control them lies at the heart of postmodernist atheism.
>if you eliminate religious hierarchy then that must mean everyone will be equal!
>gets beheaded by muhamed
>if we eliminate religious hierarchy we can finally express ourselves fully
>arrive at the logical end of the sexual revolution with trannies touching childrens in public bathrooms.
For all their cries of weakness and mercy, atheist are the leading cause of decline in our societies.
Sorry man but this argument died after the whole sharia law quarters in western cities argument got debunked.
>What are the no go zones in Sweden.
>What is the party of ismal in the british isles.
Lol lmao your ilk only bring ruin with their moral relativism.
No go zones simply never existed and were made up out of whole cloth by far right politicians. And the party of ismal literally isn't one, they have no political power and couldn't even register to be a political party.
>They never existed!
Not acording to travel guides
>They couldn't register
For now
Travel guides don't decide the existence of anything, and so you really want to argue that a neighborhood being shitty is the same as literal no-go zones the police can't do anything about?
And why were those neighborhoods shitty, did it have anything to do with the cultural and religious change they suffered in the last 15 years?
You can avoid calling a cat a cat, but you just spilled the beans right here.
>atheist are the leading cause of decline in our societies.
jews are the ones destabilizing the middle east, with christiandom's approval
almost every NGO bringing boatloads of swarthy islamic and Black migrants to the west is christian
christians are the reason we have given trillions to africa instead of taking care of our own people
abrahamism and its consequences have been a disaster for the white race
>some prostitute lies and says "god gave me a child!"
>2000 years later and now more than 50% of my paycheck ends up in a israeli pocket at the end of the day
if i could time travel id have one very specific murder target.
i do not care how it influences the future or what consequences it would have for the timeline.
She probably wasnt a prostitute, the age for mary when she gave birth was likely 12-14.
oh ok my mistake
>some guy was a pedo
>"oh shit frick uhh... mary, this was an act of god! tell your partner (another pedo) this so nobody is suspicious."
>2000 years later and now more than 50% of my paycheck ends up in a israeli pocket at the end of the day
better?
Pretty much, but supposedly Joseph was betrothed and was supposed to marry her around 15 and married her ypunger so the fault would come upon him rather than Mary. Honestly dude gets the short end of the stick all around.
Who are the ones that aprove the resettlement of these peoples, one thing is bringing them and the other is accepting them. I'll give you a clue areligious politicians that are advised by postmodernists. We had borders for thousands of years but its only now that we have these civil crisis.
the older i get, the more i realize he was right
Ironically he gets kinda dunked on in the last church novella, but that's only because the person who wrote it has a surface-level understanding of atheistic arguments
Uriah did nothing wrong
The Emperor protects.
Why do Christians harp on and on about "free will" when God hardens people's hearts in the Bible to make them reject him and this is reaffirmed in Romans when Paul explicitly says people who are nonbelievers are akin to common pottery meant to be thrown away after use?
The older I get, the more people I see who just got unbelievably fricked over by life and religion sorta starts to make sense. You either start to accept some kind of religion or you become a pessimist & antinatalist, but either way it changes you. Life is so fricked up I don't blame religious people for their beliefs at all
There's a reason religion is called the opium of the masses
Opium was and is still one of the most healing plants. It's one of the oldest medicines humans have. It has alleviated pain, suffering, and hardship throughout our history with it. Even though it can be abused and turned to harm.
So yeah, opium of the masses. You just betray ignorance with that dumb-ass atheist meme.
Never said it was bad, as you said people need a way to cope with reality, opium was a healing plant and only dangerous when people got addicted to it.
you wouldn't give opium to a kid, or a man who doesn't need it.
You're torturing a metaphor which was never very good in the first place.
I'll trust the big guy when my time comes.
Even an atheist would make desperate pleas for Opium when he is in immense amounts of pain. The fact is religion just made people's lives richer and more fulfilling, even if it's not true. Humans are moronic hairless apes but religion made us all a little bit kinder, a little bit happier.
>The fact is religion just made people's lives richer and more fulfilling
No it really hasn't, just like opiates they simply dull the pain and turn you into an addict who stops caring about the world in chase of their next "high" if you abuse it too much.
What do you mean? A religion "addict" is just a monk, a healthy & fulfilling role in society
That's more like a fundamentalist or a preacher, and i mean that people just get detached from reality when they drink the religion kool aid too much and become completely obsessed with thinking it's the end of days and such.
GREY MAN CORRECT!
What a horribly boring thread.
I LOOK LIKE THAT GUY AND I SAY THAT STUFF HE SAYS!
So they trust in the deity of the Old Testament, an incontinent dotard who soiled Himself and the universe with his corruption, a low-budget divinity passing itself off as the genuine article. (Ask the Gnostics.) They trust in Jesus Christ, a historical cipher stitched together like Frankenstein's monster out of parts robbed from the graves of messiahs dead and buried - a savior on a stick. They trust in the virgin-pimping Allah and his Drum Major Mohammed, a prophet-come-lately who pioneered a new genus of humbuggery for an emerging market of believers that was not being adequately served by existing religious products. They trust in anything that authenticates their importance as persons, tribes, societies, and particularly as a species that will endure in this world and perhaps in an afterworld that may be uncertain in its reality and unclear in its layout, but which states their craving for values "not of this earth" - that depressing, meaningless place their consciousness must sidestep every day.
Video games?
No, but soon.
What's on the menu for tonight? I'm kinda in the mood for arcade games myself. Probably gonna play some racing and shooting games.
Have to go back and get the true ending for Tunic now that I finally beat the Heir. And then later get the true ending for Sifu.
Sounds fun. Sifu looked really cool. Don't know much about Tunic, admittedly.
I dunno gwumpy anon-kun, seems wike one pewson does :3
mebbe eben... two peepow?? 😮
No one cares homosexual
Frick off gaytard
bideo games? :3
inb4
Old Testament: 2 Kings Ch2 23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some little boys came out of the city and jeered at him: “Go away, baldy; go away, baldy!” 24 The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces. 25 From there he went to Mount Carmel, and returned to Samaria from there.
New Testament: Acts Ch5 1 A man named Ananias, however, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property. 2 He retained for himself, with his wife’s knowledge, some of the purchase price, took the remainder, and put it at the feet of the apostles. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart so that you lied to the holy Spirit and retained part of the price of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain yours? And when it was sold, was it not still under your control? Why did you contrive this deed? You have lied not to human beings, but to God.” 5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last, and great fear came upon all who heard of it. 6 The young men came and wrapped him up, then carried him out and buried him. 7 After an interval of about three hours, his wife came in, unaware of what had happened. 8 Peter said to her, “Tell me, did you sell the land for this amount?” She answered, “Yes, for that amount.” 9 Then Peter said to her, “Why did you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen, the footsteps of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10 At once, she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men entered they found her dead, so they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And great fear came upon the whole church and upon all who heard of these things.
There are those of you who still do not fear the Lord your God. Do not fear this death, but the second death.
A gift for you: “Crux sancta sit mihi lux; non draco sit mihi dux. Vade retro satana! Numquam suade mihi vana; sunt mala quae libas, ipse venena bibas!”