Never played Cities, but IRL the next question would be "Where the frick are you parking all those cars?" While homes can ostensibly have garages and whatnot, is it just street parking for any commercial area?
I remember the Sim City devs saying they had parking lot simulation at one point and they took it out because it quickly grew out of control and wasn't fun.
>mass transit
I have never been able to get that shit to work right. Invariably like 80% of the stops will be empty and the remaining 20% completely overflowing. I would assume they'll get off at whatever stop is closest to their destination but I'm pretty sure they don't because I once put a bunch of shit right next to each other just to see if it would spread the crowd out a little and almost all of them still gravitated to one stop in particular. It seems like you just HAVE to provide technically more public transport than should be required to keep things flowing smoothly. Maybe that's how it works in real life?
Not everyone comes from hamburger country, European cities aren't artificially shaped into squares. How the frick does calling a city block an apple make any sense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>How the frick does calling a city block an apple make any sense.
It doesn't really. "The Big Apple" was popularized based on a metaphor of each city being an apple on a tree and NYC being the best of the bunch. I'm not from New York, but I've never heard of anyone calling a district an "apple"
Didn't the roundabout meme die ages ago? I'm sure I came across a video on youtube years back that went through all the different types of intersections and explained their applications and actually proved just making roundabouts everywhere is actually a really bad idea and your problem is more to do with your road hierarchy and zoning layout than it is to do with intersections when you get massive blockages. Roundabouts are, at best, a bandaid on a much bigger problem.
Roundabouts have advantages and disadvantages. They cannot solve all your problems, and there are situations where an intersection with lights is what you need. In very simplified terms, roundabouts are extremely efficient in the situations where they work because they'll have constant flow, as contrasted to lights which have frequent pauses to clear the intersection. Not a factor in C:S, but they're also generally safer because traffic lines never intersect at 90 degrees angles, which is an accident type with very high lethality rates.
Main downsides to roundabouts include times when one direction is far more trafficked than the others to the point that another direction simply cannot enter the roundabout. In those case, a traffic light would at least divide the waiting time evenly despite having lower throughput.
>roundabouts are extremely efficient in the situations where they work because they'll have constant flow
My understanding is roundabouts are good for light and maybe medium but more than that and their efficiency absolutely plummets and they actually become hazardous areas.
Even at high traffic, a roundabout can still have better flow than traffic lights if the drivers know how to use it, but that's a small consolation if you're sitting in the lane that hasn't been able to enter for 20 minutes because the direction to your left has had nonstop traffic and isn't letting anyone in.
And then of course in reality, you have the issue of drivers being scared to enter when there is an open spot, or drivers not respecting right of way, both of which can slow traffic down. And also adding too many lanes to a roundabout doesn't really work since people need to be able to get out in time again. Two-lane roundabouts are perfectly managable, but four would be awful. So logically, connecting a 4-lane road to a roundabout would be troublesome.
Provided there's enough space to allow it to happen, a 4-laner into a roundabout isn't necessarily a bad thing.
This is in bong speak, so reverse it all if you're a 3rd worlder...
The left-hand lane can fork off early to the left-hand turn and avoid the roundabout altogether.
The inside-left lane will then be a primay straight-on lane, with the middle of the 3 remaining lanes being a secondary straight-on lane (allows traffic to build up and exit the straight on road in multiple lanes). The far right hand lane would then be right-turn only.
Now, a 3 lane roundabout would still be a shitshow, but's not the end of the world.
The number of lanes doesn't matter for spiral roundabouts, just ensure you match the number of exits to the number of lanes you have (which can also be sorted by having multiple lanes coming off one exit at a time for heavier traffic). They're the best kind of roundabout.
False, I absolutely detest heavy intersections that don't have roundabouts. Roundabouts have two main problems:
1. Roundabouts in a heavy traffic road that's close to a traffic light, this will cause the roundabout to jam during rush hour.
2. Improperly designed roundabouts with 3 or more lanes that allow for free lane switching while inside at any time, preventing you from actually entering it in rush hour because there's always that one Black person of gender that will decide last minute she's in the wrong lane and block you from entering.
That is 100% correct because I've had so many near misses on a roundabout built ON A HIGHWAY near where I live.
Fricking Perth's roundabout obsession pisses me off.
They have the same problems putting a set of lights on a 90km/h road even with the big prepare to stop signs everywhere or just dickheads going straight through a red light at night because they don't want to stop for 30 seconds
I literally just wished they'd put spaghetti on highways with clearer signs.
The signs here are fricking shit.
Doesn't help when the road planning is ignored for property prices in one area (because they certainly didn't cry when it meant more industry in a protected fish breeding ground).
Frick property developers. They are cancer.
If you look into this, the roundabouts with high accident rates are typically examples such as T junctions that have been needlessly converted into a roundabout. These roundabouts, when put into high congestion zones, end up in three-way stalemates where the "give way to right rule" is now a guessing game based on who has the balls to go first, and hope someone else doesn't have the same idea.
What do you not understand about these tiny roundabout conversions being, let me repeat it, tiny? See this example? [...] It's literally too small for a transit van to 360 around it.
that why it doesnt have a center. big cars and trucks can just ignore it
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then, get this, wht about a stoplight?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>stop light on a side street
at most it would get a stop/give way sign but that not the point. they are made to make you drive slower through the intersection
>Just learn to have psychic powers and know exactly when one of the two other drivers are going to gun it because you're all sitting still waiting for the person on your right to make the first move
2 years ago
Anonymous
We get it mate, you can't drive
2 years ago
Anonymous
m8 you're bullshitting fricking hard if you think these tiny roundabouts aren't death traps. we're not talking about ones that are double laned and have a circumference of 100 meters. we're talking about t-junctions that have existed as such since the 50s being turned into fake shitty "roundabouts."
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've been driving for 15 years and I don't have a problem, I've never had an accident on one, and I can navigate them properly. The problem is you and the other road users who cannot drive because you're a paki who paid someone else to sit the test for you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>gun it >on the fricking roundabout
The real world is not Fast and Furious, if you can't react to a car going from 0 to 20-30 km at most, then you are metally incapable to drive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What do you not understand about these tiny roundabout conversions being, let me repeat it, tiny? See this example?
If you look into this, the roundabouts with high accident rates are typically examples such as T junctions that have been needlessly converted into a roundabout. These roundabouts, when put into high congestion zones, end up in three-way stalemates where the "give way to right rule" is now a guessing game based on who has the balls to go first, and hope someone else doesn't have the same idea.
It's literally too small for a transit van to 360 around it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you're trying to do a 360 on a mini roundabout in a vehicle which is bigger than a small hatchback you're a fricking moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
if you can't 360 around a roundabout in any vehicle, it is worthless as a roundabout. if your vehicle has to drive over the island to navigate it, the roundabout is worthless. it serves no purpose, it does not meet the advantages of an actual roundabout. It should have stayed a junction.
2 years ago
Anonymous
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Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. beware of others doing this.
Just learn to drive, anon. It's really easy, I promise.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>too small for a transit van to GUN IT 360 around it.
First, you say that you can't possibly react to a car going from a complete stop to 25km/h and now your problem is a transit van doing that even slower. What the frick is wrong with you?
you don't drive, it's obvious you've never experienced rush hour traffic on these things. people who are angry and pissed off don't crawl to a move, they floor it. this shit happens all the time on these fricking things in manchester where they get clogged up and frequently blocked by large vehicles who can't move because of said rush hour traffic.
your barren empty village of fifty people does not count as an actual dangerous experience on these things.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>manchester
There it is, so you ARE a paki. Thanks for confirming anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're thinking of bradford, nonce.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>City of Manchester >66% white
No, I got it right
2 years ago
Anonymous
you understand that's one of the highest for an english city?
london is 41% white.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aye, it's disgusting, still full of pakis though, like you
2 years ago
Anonymous
Roundabouts in cities on main roads are just fricking dangerous. I can handle them, but my problem is the granny next to me who doesn't know that we give way to the right here, or what she had for breakfast.
So what you get are grannys driving on the right instead of the left in my country. This happens all the time.
We've probably got more roundabouts than anywhere else on the planet so it's not even a cultural thing. It's universal.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>too small for a transit van to GUN IT 360 around it.
First, you say that you can't possibly react to a car going from a complete stop to 25km/h and now your problem is a transit van doing that even slower. What the frick is wrong with you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dude, I'm in roundabout hell in Australia and I can tell you - they are fricking annoying to deal with when you just want to cruise from A to B.
Exception: long stretches of main road with no lights. You need something to break up the traffic into packages to allow incoming and out going flow to function.
In fact, that would be the only time when a roundabout is handy - I tend to use them for U-turns and they are good for U-turns.
Otherwise, they are annoying.
lmao, so functionally identical to equal T-junction but they slapped circle in middle just because. atleast you can u-turn if you must I guess. maybe, seems bit tight even for that.
well yeah when you opt for just painting a bloody circle instead of widening the intersection and building an actual roundabout, what you get is bullshit.
Do americans really not fricking understand how to drive roundabouts? >check if car is already engaged in, give it priority >when you get a slot, engage in the roundabout, drive around it until you get to your exit, turn your blinker on a bit before you turn >turn
Yo dawg, i heard you like roundabouts.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7252634,-9.1497925,262m/data=!3m1!1e3 Someone post that sunflower roundabout somewhere in the UK.
Roundabouts are complicated only for people who dont drive.
General rule >guy inside donut has priority >find window to get inside donut >do whatever you want and leave donut whenever you want
EZ
Lisbon is interesting to post here, because it's arguable the foundation of modern town planning because of a horrific Earthquake they had a long time ago. They rebuilt the town AND enforced structural integrity standards for the new houses so that they would be to cutting edge engineering of the time in order to survive quakes.
In fact, people don't realise that Portugal was an oasis of modern engineering in that era due likely to it's connections with Islamic mathematics schools before the reconquista. In fact, town planning was probably perfected early by Islamic states to begin with. What the hell happened to Islam to make it a hole in places today is beyond me. *cough* the ottomans *cough* Check a new arab town in Saudi. Now compare Ankara. Yeah. Turks are still shit at town planning.
Was this the same earthquake that practically ended their colonial empire?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Might have been.
I think they learned by looking at London's reconstruction in 1666 (how's that year... holy shit) how not to do a rebuild. They had no choice though because they needed to build in a manner that didn't cause issues with future quakes.
I bet they got into financial strife from it, but I think their empire was already in decline by that stage.
Friend, geometric finesse is no place for a human life to flourish in
2 years ago
Anonymous
They thought it literally would back then.
Yeah it's 1700s mentality.
In reality, both that well designed saudi shithole and turk shithole are the equivalent of polishing an overpopulated turd. Which is something that most city planning is now. A waste of fricking time.
>Do americans really not fricking understand how to drive roundabouts?
Unlike your logical European traffic circles, a True American roundabout determines Right of Way through the ONLY defensible method: Pure Will-to-Power.
My little town may not have the biggest traffic circle, but it punches above its weight for pure chaos.
If you look into this, the roundabouts with high accident rates are typically examples such as T junctions that have been needlessly converted into a roundabout. These roundabouts, when put into high congestion zones, end up in three-way stalemates where the "give way to right rule" is now a guessing game based on who has the balls to go first, and hope someone else doesn't have the same idea.
>Best type of a roundabout >Barely used anywhere
Why? It doesn't take more space than a normal one, uses 2 lanes effectively, and stops people from being moronic. Where's the downside?
Well here's the thing, even when they panic, how do they frick up? Worst case scenario they go from the left lane before the entry into the right lane on the roundabout and exit on the first exit instead of the second. Of course, they could go full moron and start going over the bump in the middle but even the panicked person would instinctively avoid it.
Because most American cities have never been rebuilt; those ARE highways. The city got built around them.
Euro cities have been burnt down and bombed to shit repeatedly so they could rebuild them, American cities have never had anything like that.
Anon... that's Belgium. One thing I've learned from being on this site is that regardless of nation, there's an equal distribution of morons everywhere.
fricking moron, 1 look at that and you know its not america
if that were american every rush hour would devolve into road rage and shootouts
we aren't smart enough to navigate things like that
>people ignoring the rules means the system doesn't work
is that really a thing though? I live near a big 2 lane roundabout in australia, and people there follow the lane rules 99% of the time. If you're turning left or straight ahead (lefthand side driving), you can use either lane. if you're turning right or back the way you came, you must use the inside lane.
Yes, I have. Australians are nice people. The guy in the roundabout will slow down to let you in even though they have right of way. You don't get that in other nations.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you live in a country town with a population of 100?
You can’t use the inside lane when you are turning left, you’ll crash into the people in the outer lane going left or straight you ninny.
Also why is the American response to something they don’t like is to call it communism
Depends on the roundabout. You need to read the road marking.
For example, on the right side of this image the entrance to the roundabout says that both lanes can turn left, and only the right lane can turn right.
ah shit I wasn't even thinking, yeah if you're turning left there's no reason to be in the inside lane. Funny thing is, I'd never do that driving in a million years but trying to explain it in text my brain went all moronic.
>Also why is the American response to something they don’t like is to call it communism
The Cold War fricking broke them, they gorged themselves on anti-red propoganda so hard that to this day "socialism" is still acceptably used as a slur and total condemnation in political discourse to shut down any ideas which try to benefit the public generally.
If you tell them libraries are socialist they'll lobby for them to be privatised. Roundabouts? Communist trap restricting my freedoms.
You guys are sincerely looking far too deep into what OP meant as a one-off joke. Americans don't think roundabouts are "communist". They're just poking fun at European governments typically leaning further to the left than the U.S. and having socialist ideologies.
No one can even handle childish banter these days.
Clearly what happened here is one guy went down the wrong way first and then the guy behind him thought that was what you supposed to do at this intersection and then the guy behind him saw two people going down there and so and so on. I'm sure everyone one of them except one was thinking "This is not right, is it? But everyone else is doing it... I'll just follow the crowd."
Yeah, when you all of a sudden run into a roundabout when you've never encountered after years of driving and you see everyone taking the left and right lanes like it's an intersection, you're going to be confused as frick. The first few people were using it properly, but that one guy with the trailer didn't seem to realize what it was before getting there (fair to say he's a moron) which caused a chain reaction. Shows how important road markings are though. Indicating incoming and outgoing traffic lanes would've prevented this even if that one guy made the mistake he did.
I understand that you basically need a car anywhere in the states to basically survive and that's why they give out driving licenses if you buy two packs of cereals
But jesus fricking christ
>Most of the people in trucks understand (except the first guy with the trailer who did it wrong first) >Most of the cars and SUVs don't (all followed the leader)
He would be able to if he took a european drivers license that would've educated him enough to not hog the left side before going into the corner.
We have mega liner truckers who can take single-lane roundabouts with the same size as that in the video.
If pic related can go round them, we should start expect Americans to learn sooner or later as well.
People who've never seen a roundabout make things pretty moronic for a bit, but it evens out pretty quickly. My city installed a bunch of new roundabouts and a few dumb accidents and morons complaining happened, but within a year everyone in town could use it perfectly and anyone out of town would could just follow the traffic and make it through.
Of course not, because you can't speed through them like you could speed through a normal 4-way intersection with lights. Americans can't tolerate slowing down.
I've never seen one in person. They require a number of specufuc circumstances which tend to make them rare. First, they need a lot of space, meaning they'll almost never show up in cities. Second, you need to either slow down or be going slow, meaning they'll almost never show up in rural areas. Finally, you need medium amounts of traffic from multiple directions, which is rare in suburbia--the only candidate for them. So they just don't really get built.
Anon you can't get a driver's license without knowing how to drive in a roundabout, or are even American driving schools made for absolute morons? No wonder the country is falling apart so quickly
This doesn't make sense because I've seen heaps of roundabouts in America and that was 10 yrs ago.
lmao m8 you've never driven in Australia
Yes, I have. Australians are nice people. The guy in the roundabout will slow down to let you in even though they have right of way. You don't get that in other nations.
I tend to cut off people I hate the look of because it amuses me here.
> I've seen heaps of roundabouts in America and that was 10 yrs ago.
The ones you've seen have probably been established for a while and have a community who's used to them. Considering there's a Dollar General, this is probably some small-town out in the middle of nowhere filled with elderly people who are barely cognizant of where they are.
All the roundabouts in my city are like that, and besides, what the hell is confusing about dividing medians? Those are common even outside of roundabout contexts.
Being from Europe and having driven from NYC to Miami I can safely say that Americans don't know shit about driving. There was some kind of accident every 20 minutes on the interstate, car parts lying everywhere and damaged cars on the streets left and right.
I understand that you basically need a car anywhere in the states to basically survive and that's why they give out driving licenses if you buy two packs of cereals
But jesus fricking christ
They make you run a lap on a cone circuit, do a 5 question theory test and call it a day
They love to cry about freedom but are slaves to cars
That's strange. Manual gives you more freedom to drive the way you want. Automatic's an automatic system that takes choice away. One would think freedom loving americans would be all for choice, but I guess that's just all talk.
homie, 90% of car trips are commutes and the like
there's no reason to not use automatic in those situations (+better mileage (not frickold automatics))
t. euro that drives a manual
2 years ago
Anonymous
Must be a personal preference thing then. When I'm moving my two ton death machine, I want to be in control completely. Can't forget these things kill people every single day, I'm not letting go of any control I have over it. Plus I'm like 90% sure manual gets better mileage over unit of gas than automatics do, which I hadn't even thought about until you brought that up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Plus I'm like 90% sure manual gets better mileage over unit of gas than automatics do,
You literally take like a 50% hit on mileage if you drive manual at peak efficiency. Autos are way better and manuals are BTFO by CVTs. The control is a meme aspect too, since autos are objectively safer on top of everything else.
I get you like shifting or whatever, but there is honestly zero reason to use a manual off of a racetrack except being too poor to afford an auto.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did a bit of googling, and looks like you're right, my opinion on fuel efficiency is outdated by a good ten years or so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Closer to 50 mate. Manuals have obsolete for decades, its all just boomer lore being propogated.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is your car from the 60s
You will never have complete control (and that's a good thing). I don't care how good of a driver you may think you are. Humans fricking suck
Older automatics had kinda shit milege, but modern ones, specially with the use you seem to give it (hehe I wanna go vroom vroom at each traffic light only to stop at the next one in 20 seconds), an automatic car is gonna be way better
2 years ago
Anonymous
what no. Going vroom vroom at traffic lights is a great way to wreck your car and kill people. It's the opposite of what I'm trying to do, which is keeping the two ton monster under control.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I meant more like "getting to the speed limit in two seconds only to be forced on the next traffic light"
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah I understood that, just trying to say that's the opposite of what I do. Safe and efficient is my goal, not speed and loud noises. That shit stays on the race track (I sometimes drive go-karts to get my vroom vroom fix).
Yeah and a walker has more freedom than a wheeled vehicle but it still sucks ass
Autos are better in every meaningful way except cost and Murica isnt poor
To be fair, the only advantage that manual has over automatic is lower repair costs. Automatic is better in every single way if you are a normal everyday driver.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I prefer manual for spirited driving, scottish b roads for example, but auto for town/city/motorway driving.
VW's DSG is a great middleground, but I still miss the clutch when hammering it
>Do americans really not fricking understand how to drive roundabouts?
A lot of products here have very basic instructions or warnings that have that stupidest of the population in mind. Stupidity is celebrated here unfortunately.
Most can't even adhere to a simple intersection stop sign.
why would roundabouts be communist
roundabouts allow drivers to assess risk, and enter when they think it's safe, with little restriction or interference. They are the embodiment of free will, much like the free market.
Traffic lights take the agency and risk assessment from the driver and put in the hands of an arbitrary machine that decides for you. They are the embodiment of the state, telling you, the worker, when to proceed
americ**ts fought on the side of commies in ww2 and provided them with tanks
and there are more neomarxists in america today than in yurop
what the frick are you talking about moron
usa is probably one of the most commie country in the world right now
you have the strongest antifa
and your blm homosexualry literally uses a commie symbol
and its an organization even approved by your commie president
You forgot the part where they get held up by morons, pussies, blind people, and old people and become more of a burden than a boon when something designed for the able is accessible by the disabled.
Question to based steamies
How the frick do you unlock the DLCs for this game? CreamAPI and other unlockers from rin just make the game crash during loading for me.
High density is as much of a mistake as low density. You can have dense metropolises with a mildly thicker population density that modern western suburbia.
Somewhere between western suburbia and asian townplans is the sweet spot, but you need more curbside and greenery or it becomes fricking latin america (which is this without greenery essentially).
You also need greenbelts between clusters of towns, otherwise you get inner city LA which is a nightmare.
Metros help, but really only when they're underground. Above ground metros tend to act like rivers in restricting traffic flow.
>arrive from top left >have to go to bottom right >check google maps, what the frick is this route >get nearer the puke spiral, see the concrete monstrosity from far away >feel nauseous from just looking at it but frick it, can't get off the bridge now anyways, let's just do it >get in, see other people are getting dizzy as well, some start veering off and crashing >already feel like shit, not even halfway through >start praying for this to end, despite being an atheist >after what felt like 5 hours, with the steering wheel full of vomit and feeling like i just got out off a plane crash i finally make it and exit the roundabout >it was the wrong exit
I used to often place highway merge ramps on the left
One day I had to take one in real life
Since then I go above and beyond to always place ramps on the right
It works for flow, but it's not good to use as a human being.
That's exactly why public transport pushers and modern road designers are pure garbage at making a "liveable" and "practical" design. They focus on flow and not the psychology of the person driving.
My fricking area literally painted soundwalls with, now get this, DAZZLE colouring.
You know, the colouring used so you had trouble working out depth and distance on boats in WWI? They decided to paint the soundwalls like that.
What in the name of frick were they thinking? The place is a death trap now.
This isn't even the finished colouring, it's even worse than this. Looks like fricking Londonderry too and I always rev in this section because it really amplifies the sound of the engine. It's a fricking v6, not even a v8.
This shit goes on for about a kilometre and a bit. It's the worst road development this place has ever designed. Also hello to any Perthgays lurking.
Oh and this is the roundabout on it.
On a fricking highway.
On the route to the fricking port, with thousands of trucks (not just trucks, fricking ROAD TRAINS) using it every day.
This was the moment I decided I had had enough of roundabouts. Seeing this thing, which by the way has almost cleaned me up in accident from nearly getting hit by a road train who decided to change lanes just before this thing... not even to the turning lane and THEN with him turning regardless without indication.
Sorry but you're just moronic
Frick you, you don't drive on this piece of shit. It's made traffic worse here.
Oh and this is the comfy patch of this neighbourhood before this travesty.
Sure it had traffic problems, but now it's just a lifeless hell.
Road developers are pure cancer.
No I would not.
And that's no excuse for this crap regardless. I know it was fricking appalling to begin with, but the fact is - politics and poor planning got in the way.
And now the area is fricking northern Ireland and hideous. It looks like a fricking factory district now.
City skylines doesn't even allow you to build a normal city (a european city) you only get to build american abominations. And to make it work they have to make all kinds of sacrifices to realism.
You wouldn't have 80% traffic flow if people actually had to park their cars.
Is it specifically designed to slow traffic or something? Why not just put down some speed bumps?
Did they really make a highway's oncoming traffic criss-cross twice just to let both directions of traffic use the same on/off ramps? The frick were these idiots smoking? I drive around PA and the random 60/70 MPH zone traffic lights around here make my head hurt less.
The purpose of it is to save money so you don't have to build a bunch of ramps and overpasses
some say it's even more seamless and you don't even notice it despite it looking like a mess
>some say it's even more seamless and you don't even notice it despite it looking like a mess
It's not confusing to follow or anything. It's just the roads have to cross which is generally a thing you want to avoid and especially on highways and the like.
Did they really make a highway's oncoming traffic criss-cross twice just to let both directions of traffic use the same on/off ramps? The frick were these idiots smoking? I drive around PA and the random 60/70 MPH zone traffic lights around here make my head hurt less.
Pointless.
I prefer the overpass interchanges with ONE set of lights.
Why we design these things with more than one set of lights or a complex spaghetti or a terrible roundabout is beyond me.
Unlike your logical European traffic circles, a True American roundabout determines Right of Way through the ONLY defensible method: Pure Will-to-Power.
My little town may not have the biggest traffic circle, but it punches above its weight for pure chaos.
we're talking about cities here you fricking dimwit
2 years ago
Anonymous
Exactly. I need to be able to get around your homosexual city if I have to visit for some ungodly reason. You expect me to take public transportation with the darks? Get real.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>public transport in America is for the poor only because you're married to your car >that means it's an immutable aspect of subways that they're for the poor
I love mutt logic
2 years ago
Anonymous
public transport is for the poor in the uk as well outside of london, would I frick get on a bus with some dribbling junkie or some geriatric that reeks of piss
2 years ago
Anonymous
The reality is that poor are an immutable aspect of public transport. Societal refuse gets to ride public transport for free thanks to the dole. The reason Americans like cars is because we don't have to sit next to a crackhead in our car. If reprobates and scum wasn't a feature of public transport I wouldn't have a problem with it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I like cars so I don't have to witness the failures of my goverment and nation
It's start to look more and more like American car culture is an actual conspiracy propagated by the American elite to line the pockets of car manufactures and big oil while also socially isolating american's and making it harder for them to notice the failure of their system of government.
Pro-tip: If the average citizen does everything in their power to avoid public spaces then there is something wrong with the nation they belong to.
Because I don't want to live in Kowloon and have feces contaminate my food while I catch the bubonic plague?
Yeah guess what, big oil is actually a reaction to sanitation concerns. A lot of town planning in some cities around the 50s particularly address the concerns around "density and disease" back then.
People take it for granted now.. well they did until 2020.
My CBD is fricking dead now. People are in exodus to suburbs again. The reason is simple, disease.
This spacing density issue will probably cause wars very soon too, especially when algorithms begin to make assessments on the safety of town planning.
>instead of proper sanitation and restricting industrial zones ameritards will restrict human beings and where they can live
you are one dumb motherfricker
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he thinks he has a choice
I'm aware of how terrifying that future is anon. We actually agree.
Disease burden is probably going to become a casus belli very soon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah I'm sure the several hundred year old european cities are just about to collapse and start intergalactic wars soon enough, anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think you understand how bad our administrative and algorithmic issue is now anon. It's more our reliance on the tool, rather than the tool itself being the issue. Because in this bureaucratic nightmare we live in now, strange abominations of diplomatic choice now happen. It's universal in all states right now. It's why everything is so fricked up right now and probably why covid happened.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean, yeah, I agree on that
What irks me is all the people defending it and denying that an alternative could exist
The nearest grocery store from my house is like 50 meters away, and there are 2 of them. And the nearest supermarket is 150 meters away, although I usually got to the one that is a block away because it's better. There is probably over 20 grocery stores in a kilometer radius around me. This is fricking weird.
You fricking c**t, I'm Russian. Do not tell me about size.
2 years ago
Anonymous
most of your country is desolate wasteland and the population is concentrated in the west you alcoholic piece of shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
Same as the US, then, except for which edge the population's concentrated on
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know, but this goes to show that just because you have massive amounts of land doesn't mean that you need to make your cities as sparse as possible. My country may be a shithole, but at least I can easily walk to almost every place I need to be in for comfortable day-to-day life since we don't have moronic zoning laws like US and Canada. I just wish we had bicycle lanes.
I mean it literally is. Take it from someone who doesnt even have a drivers licence and rides a bicycle most places; having a car would be 100x better. I'm envious as frick of my friends who have one. Still not willing to pay the exorbitant amount of money to get and run one though.
5 min drive vs a 45 minute walk in most parts of America
Our infrastructure is fricked all because boomer wanted to be their own beach boys song and drive their car everywhere
It's literally the only choice in 'murica. All amenities are just too far away from residential areas.
No you dont get it, being a slave to big gas, dealerships, mechanics, part makers, insurance companies and the goverment is FREEDOM
>I love my automobile™! I don't have to adhere to any schedules. I can drive-anywhere-when-I-want™! This is true freedom™!
'murcan's cannot identify the difference between positive and negative freedom.
I think you're looking at the distance as a conspiracy when in cases like
The nearest grocery store is 17 miles from my house.
, it's more than likely they live in a rural area where standard commodities are obviously going to be long-distance trips because of how vast our farmlands are. In urban and sub-urban areas, you can find everything you'll typically need within a 15 mile radius (grocery stores, hospitals, schools, etc,) but the real issue there is that suburban areas (this is not a rule, just a noticeable pattern) don't have the type of work nearby that provides a livable wage, so most people do need to make a fairly longer commute in that instance.
Admittedly, public transpiration is our biggest weakness in this circumstance, but the conditions vary from one area to another. I just know in my case, I can ride a bike around 11-13 km in roughly 30 minutes while taking a bus that same distance takes about 2 hours because of how they're routes work.
No anon. It's that many suburban area's in America themselves are too far away from amenities. If you live in some suburb and you want to take a bike to the supermarket you'll have to spend 1 hour (total) just on the commute. Because the distance is so long. The simple timesink of this just don't make it worth it to use your bike. This also enables the American pattern of buying a week's worth of groceries which limits your capacity to buy healthier fresh produce which further discourages you from using your bike because you're probably unhealthy.
Where I live I will at most spend 20 minutes total to commute to the store. I can drive my bike there without it being a huge time sink, buy some fresh produce for the day, and cook something healthy.
The suburban structure is also just really, REALLY bad for kids who cannot go anywhere without someone driving them there. Limiting their freedom and development. This is also why American's get really anxious about the idea of their kids being alone to the point where letting your children bike to school themselves can have them taking in to custody. Unsupervised kids are unnatural to them and the media propagates this with fearmongering on drugs and kidnapping.
Why does Australia manage to avoid this in most of suburbia here? We're less dense than murrica too.
That's a sheer culture thing. I literally hate going to shopping centres and tend to buy from local grocers down the road because it's nicer.
I sincerely don't want to have a debate based around personal anecdotes, but I can look on a map right now and see 8 different grocery stores in a 10 mile radius with one of them being 1.4 miles away. Where I used to live, I had a 2 grocery stores less than a mile away that I went to usually 2 times weekly with a backpack and had no issues getting them home. I've moved at least 5 times in the last decade (hope that hints that I'm not well-off or living in nicer areas) and have never had an issue getting groceries without a car.
The obvious caveats here is that you feasibly can't grocery shop for a family on a bike, but I'd say most people shopping for themselves are able to do so pretty easily. I think it's mostly a matter of getting the initiative to do it because, admittedly, there is a bit of embarrassment involved in entering a grocery store covered in sweat (On average, it's a humid 30C where I live) along with filling up a backpack with groceries out in a parking lot .
As for the matter with kids in the suburbs, that's an entirely different conversation, but I'll say that your views on parents being anxious about their kids going out on their own was at least accurate in my case growing up before cellphones became the norm. My dad is one of the more paranoid individuals, but he had to know my exact location at all times with me coming home exactly when he told me to or I'd get punished. It didn't help that this is when the sex offender scare was running rampant and he checked online to see that there were a couple of them nearby, but the entire experience pushed me onto the internet and video games.
I appreciate that you focus on looking at the culture rather than damning "American people", but I needed to double down on my statement about most Americans having nearby access to their amenities* since there seems to be a common misconception around that.
Supermarkets aren't the only amenities, mind you. Parks, sports clubs, other kinds of shops, and schools are common examples of different amenities.
Where I live (In the Netherlands, close to the German border) all of these things are within a biking distance reasonable for kids who live in nearby residences (less then 5 KM).
Then again, it wasn't strange for the farmer's kids or kids from outside of town to cycle 15+ KM everyday on their own. And I'm talking 8-year-olds here.
Childhood independence is a huge factor in creating healthy adults. And the American cultural tendency to shelter their kids is a bad sign for the future of the nation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but homeschooling your kids is pretty socially acceptable in America right? It's not illegal here, but no normal parent homeschools their kids here. Only total loonies who think enforcing their loonie ideology on their kid is more important than social developments like making friends, learning how to deal with conflict, and solving problems on their own.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him but homeschooling is objectively better than public school in every measureable way. Test scores, college admittance and success, future salary, even social metrics. Public school is for poors. Private schools still underperform compared to homeschooling IRRC. It's really not surprising if you think about it; homeschooling you have 1-2 teachers for a handful or less of kids. Public it's 1:30-40. Even a really expensive and nice private is ~1:10. Homeschooling is just better.
2 years ago
Anonymous
God Americans are so fricking dumb >Public school is for poors
Over here people will mock you if you go private (more college than school, people will still laugh at you but for different reasons)
If you can't perform well enough you just pay exorbitant amounts of money to get a degree that will be less prized than the same one given by a public institution, it's the pay to win option, my parents are can just pay for me to be a bum option
2 years ago
Anonymous
Only a europoor would get so assblasted over cultyres being different than his to ignore the point of the post. Ignore the private school thing than, and just focus on the fact that homeschooling is objectively better and your culture is probably holding the education of children back.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Homeschooling has its place in the states, where public schools are consistently underfunded and only teach to pass standardised tests, not to actually teach anything useful. In this environment, homeschooling makes perfect sense.
Meanwhile in parts of europe, teachers are respected and well funded, and require pedagogical degrees. Can't say this is true for all of europe, don't know enough about how the mediterranean states and slav parts do their thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him but homeschooling is objectively better than public school in every measureable way. Test scores, college admittance and success, future salary, even social metrics. Public school is for poors. Private schools still underperform compared to homeschooling IRRC. It's really not surprising if you think about it; homeschooling you have 1-2 teachers for a handful or less of kids. Public it's 1:30-40. Even a really expensive and nice private is ~1:10. Homeschooling is just better.
It's not worth limiting your kid's potential friend pool.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes anon, I totally believe that two full time working parents that finished high school 20 years ago are gonna be the perfect educators
They're gonna have time to properly go over the usual curriculum, prepare lessons, follow on the progress of their children, teach them basics of physics/arts/history properly and with little to no biases and evaluate them fairly than a person that has studied and trained for that specific field for years and has some experience in it
Even if you want to go full trad and the wife stays at home, most people are not gonna be able to give their children a decent education
Sure, there's probably a decent amount that do get a better experience out of homeschooling, more so with children requiring more attention and special needs, specially now when classrooms keep getting packed with more children and schools are all over the board getting underfunded
But sure, say that it's for poors and totally disregard why something that should be working for you isn't working properly
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its for poors because it sucks if your parents are both working. It only os successful whrn at least onr is full yime educ a ting. Only rich can afford that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but homeschooling your kids is pretty socially acceptable in America right?
Prior to the pandemic, about 3% of students had been enrolled into homeschooling, but while I was in school during the 00's it was only probably around 1%. I feel the general consensus had been that parents who home-schooled their children were either overly-protective, or believed that schools would indoctrinate their children with liberal propaganda and/or neglect christian beliefs.
I suppose it's socially acceptable to a point where no one would try and stop someone if they wanted to, but I don't think the average parents looked at homeschooling as a good alternative.
I've only know 2 people who were home-schooled in my life. One of them is fairly intelligent but still lives with his parents nearing 30 with no ambitions or plans to move forward, while the other is barely on par with a 6th grader but graduated purely because her parents wanted her to graduate. Surprisingly, she moved out on her own, found a boyfriend, and has a day job now.
>walking around like a hobo
Also police will probably stop you here because they might think it's theft of a trolley from a store.
2 years ago
Anonymous
imagine being such an insecure homosexual that you can't use your legs and walk around the corner to a grocery store with a granny cart because >I might look homeless! >The police might look at me funny!
if it makes you feel better, I've never seen a homeless person pushing this around. they usually use actual shopping carts from the store because this costs money. the people who use this are regular people of any age, size, or race. You can also use it to ferry laundry or other large packages around. It's very useful.
2 years ago
Anonymous
ngl bro, those look kinda dumb
we use these around here
The store is 2 minutes walking from my home. I have a small bag with me. Why would I need to buy in bulk when I can just go every 1 to 2 days for some small groceries? >it's another episode of americans not understanding of how first world countries do their groceries
Buying in bulk takes less time and is cheaper.
Also >America >not first world
Black person first world literally means America's side.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's more convenient to do shopping whenever you feel like it. You can buy fresher, better ingredients and don't have to think 1 week ahead about what you want to cook and instead can just decide what you feel like eating tonight.
First world, second world and third world have different meanings nowadays. You're still stuck in the 90's with that mentality of yours. The usa does not qualify as a first world country anymore because it's too underdeveloped and poor compared to the first world
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not even America is on America's side anymore, thus America's not first world.
>he doesn't have several grocery stores, a bakery, fruit shop, fish shop, butcher's and pharmacy in a 5 mins walking radius
ishyggidiggy
also, cars aren't illegal
But you do when you need it to carry groceries.
God, I couldn't imagine needing to carry things from hardware stores on a scooter or on public transport or paying someone to deliver it.
What a hassle.
Planks of wood, refrigerators, bulk goods not large enough for a delivery?
God you yuros are as moronic as murricans.
Why am I stuck between dumb and dumber nowadays?
So many standards in my town are now made by you two and fricking asians in China/Japan/SEA. All of it is fricking garbage.
I bet this shit is why we have flood issues again from newly designed planning. I bet some frickwit in ISO or something designed our modern burbs.
Can we please just build a spaceship and get the frick away from this rock?
yeah, I'm sure 90% of the population is buying fridges and industrial amounts of wood daily to justify making everything car centric
what's that, every store instead offering free delivery? frick off that's communism
where's my freedom to break my back hauling that shit myself
...not sure why you would haul that stuff often enough for it to be an issue, but yeah, big stuff like that is perfectly reasonable to use a car / van on. I use a rental van for stuff like that, while groceries and other smaller stuff goes in the backpack.
Do you like, swap fridges every week, or is this just a simple hyperbole about how walking to grocery store means cars are outlawed forever
i mean, i kinda get it.
poor people are usually butthurt about people in cars passing them on the road, so the ass-hurt bike gays act like c**ts on the roads to make themselves feel better.
>ride a bike.
Depends on country and culture. Up where I live, new rich like to show off their custom electric bikes instead of cars. Sure, most of them own a sports car or ten, but those are mostly garage queens that don't actually get driven anywhere and only exist to be shown to people actually visiting their house.
New rich are weird, man.
lmao yeah i know a dude like that.
has his gay 15,000$ bike in a garage and shows it off every time somebody comes in for a drink or something.
like whats even the point.
its a fricking bike, who cares?
people are so cringe sometimes.
>ride a bike.
Depends on country and culture. Up where I live, new rich like to show off their custom electric bikes instead of cars. Sure, most of them own a sports car or ten, but those are mostly garage queens that don't actually get driven anywhere and only exist to be shown to people actually visiting their house.
i mean, i kinda get it.
poor people are usually butthurt about people in cars passing them on the road, so the ass-hurt bike gays act like c**ts on the roads to make themselves feel better.
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lmao yeah i know a dude like that.
has his gay 15,000$ bike in a garage and shows it off every time somebody comes in for a drink or something.
like whats even the point.
its a fricking bike, who cares?
people are so cringe sometimes.
americans share an obsessions about cars that you don't find anywhere else ein the world, because industries worked long and hard to make you dependant on them, invluding your bullshit zoning laws.
americans are not obsessed about cars, anon, they simply could allow themselves to, logically, build their cities to accomodate cars, unlike most old europeans cities, that require some widening of the streets.
Yeah, what get's me about modern European and Asian cities (even new "clusters" in Australia and NZ, though people hate them here) is how they literally plan new areas like a high density shitfest, even though we've known for centuries now (look up London East End's history) that high density new town planning is a bad design that will inevitably become a slum over time and will end up to spreading disease and crime.
That's why Paris is a fricking shithole now in areas both new and old now.
That's also why areas in LA which are higher in density are where the crime spots are and why cities like NYC, Chicago and Phili have such bad crime riddled areas - it's high density and the claustrophobic clusters of people lead to inevitable crime.
The people predicting that in the 40s and 50s when designing better towns were simply right on their assumption. Town planning in my city between 40s up to 80s is generally the better of the areas BUT FOR the random pockets of town flats they were forced to build in the post war era. Those flats are appalling slums btw and they have always been slums.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>only low income living places available >crime appears for some reason
Might wanna look up socioeconomic factors, anon
I know that it sounds like a big scary word that kinda breaks your black and white view of the world but give it a try
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's always density related by sheer stats of likelihood because of a larger population being in that location causing the amount of criminals in that area to rise.
I wasn't talking per capita or proportionally, it's irrelevant.
Why people care about per capita for such things is beyond me. It's plain and simply, density is proportionate to crime.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ah, instead I'll spread the population over every square inch of the country, then the criminals will simply be too far away for me to care
2 years ago
Anonymous
They will statistically be less in density. Exactly.
Which makes them easier to deal with in your neighbourhood because an attack becomes rarer, statistically.
It's not rocket science and the people stating otherwise are simply pushing it because they don't want to accept that our world is an overpopulated shithole bleeding to death.
At least Americans, like us Australians - which is a place btw that is already struggling from overpopulation based on water levels in some towns alone, accept that as fact about the world. Europeans are dreaming that it's somehow liveable when it's clearly fricking not. So are Asians. Wake the frick up. Your planet is a jar of flies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>overpopulation
lol
lmao even
these "Europeans" you so love to strawman have been living like this for centuries
2 years ago
Anonymous
>only low income living places available >crime appears for some reason
Might wanna look up socioeconomic factors, anon
I know that it sounds like a big scary word that kinda breaks your black and white view of the world but give it a try
the reason high density does that is because the politicians keep importing Black folk who won't be accepted anywhere else.
look at places in asia, japan, china for example. they don't have any of these problems, despite having massive and high density cities, because they aren't any Black folk. in japan for example, they didn't have any problems until they allowed somalian Black folk to start opening bars and clubs, then crime in those areas shot up.
european cities, paris for example, had few problems with crime during the 1900s, and only when they started allowing muslims and Black folk in the place turned into a dump
i mean, the places in the world with the highest crime rates are in south america, the middle east, and africa.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>look at places in asia, japan, china for example. they don't have any of these problems, despite having massive and high density cities
Total crap.
Frick off with this horseshit. Crime is UNIVERSAL in dense places.
Apparently it's a fricking huge problem in dense parts of China and HK. If you believe otherwise, you're the one being influenced by propaganda. It's plain, simple and obvious from the nature of population density that a population density increase leads to a proportional density increase in criminals. To say otherwise is complete lunacy frankly. Yet I bet fricking China has fricked with your press to make you think that way, partially because it's indoctrinating it's own people to believe that crap.
Not that European think tanks are helping the situation there.
It's a pure fantasy to say that density is a positive thing in the post covid world. Just look at what areas did the best at stopping disease spread in lockdown - the least dense areas.
I know that because our area was largely free of it until our country opened borders for economic reasons (and because the whole thing was just a political device).
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dense = cheaper
Dense = cheaper
Dense = cheaper
Being poor is the first and foremost reason crime occurs no matter how into frenology you are
2 years ago
Anonymous
The classic leftist tactic of repitition to try to prove something is fact. Why is the Bay Area, one of the most expensive places to live on earth, both drnse and crime ridden?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hmmmm let me think, something something homeless people and house prices doubling every couple years leaving only places with dirt poor conditions for people who already aren't well off
Not having a place to live in -> your life is practically over specially with how much they want to criminalize being homeless
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wow, so if dense areas can have housing double every year, it lloks like dense may not actually mean cheap? Ans your whole arguement was based off of an inaccurate assertion?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, people using housing as an asset instead of a basic human need will do that, it's totally the fault of the people that have been living there for ages and not companies coming in, speculating to the moon and blocking any attempt of creating more and affordable living spots and driving up prices (individuals sometimes do this since housing is often the only way they can build intergenerational wealth but that's another can of worms)
Why are the projects and public housing mostly apartments? Surely muh american dream single family home is cheaper!!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Being poor is the first and foremost reason crime occurs no matter how into frenology you are
Is that why boarding house physical abuse occurs in prestigious schools far more than it would in a prestigious school without that?
You're kidding yourself. It's like any prison, the claustrophobia adds to the stress of the joint to the point where it actually increases prison violence. We are not sardines. We are men.
And we do not like cramped territory because it is literally instinctive. Society is a modern abomination that has forced such a lifestyle upon us because we had a scarcity of land, food, safe shelter and water. It is simply forced upon us by the density of our population on the globe and we have been overpopulated the very day we decided to form a society. Society itself is slavery.
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh look the amerifat has bad takes again
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Society itself is slavery
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's like we're talking about how we can cope with our annoying piece of shit state of affairs.
Just don't. Reject it.
Ted was fricking right.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stagnation and regression is death. The only lifeforms that prospered from regressing and simplifying themselves are parasites. I'd rather humanity go extinct than to reject progress, even if the latter also means extinction.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Stagnation and regression is death.
I agree with death. He is the most correct of all.
Pity that he is just a phantom, the greatest troll of the lot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah anon, I'm all of Europe is a shithole were everyone is depressed, suicidal and sick despite having every possible amenity 10 minutes from their home walking (worrying about gun attacks every day too, just like in prison!)
They lack the freedom of being isolated and having to spend hours commuting to do anything
2 years ago
Anonymous
I honestly don't think being poor is the foremost reason crime occurs. I'd say marginalization and culture are far bigger ones. Marginalization, because if you don't feel like you're part of the majority, it turns the majority into 'them', the enemy. Feeling like the majority owes them something is a powerful motivator to 'take back what is rightfully theirs', even if laws get broken in the process. This has been happening a lot where I live, where refugees from wars past have completely failed to integrate, are rather upset about the majority leaving them outside, and have formed their own refugee only gangs that the police don't know how to handle.
Culture because places like Russia exist, where corruption is part of the system, and everyone's expected to skim a little off the top.
After those two, yeah poverty's probably in the number three spot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Marginalization would fall under the socioeconomic factors previously mentioned, but I still hold that how well off you are is still the main cause
2 years ago
Anonymous
I will continue to disagree, only because most criminals I can think of were already relatively well off before they turned to crime. This might be an issue with the data set being biased ('crimes this anon can think of off the top of his head' isn't exactly scientifically sound). I'm seeing lots of people using crime to swap a thing they already had into a shinier model, like getting a bigger TV or newer phone. Upgrading their stuff, not getting necessities.
...and now I realize being able to get "stuff they want" vs "stuff they need" probably counts as a socioeconomic cause. Frick.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>...and now I realize being able to get "stuff they want" vs "stuff they need" probably counts as a socioeconomic cause. Frick.
Even millionares want more anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
We're talking about "crime infested slums" here and why high density is someitmes the way it is with crime
Those leeches are a different story
2 years ago
Anonymous
>covid
all people had to do was stay inside for a few weeks, and wear a mask if they went outside. also, how is walking past someone on a busy street going to create new covid cases? it's shit like meeting your friends and going to stores that creates it.
>area was largely free of it until our country opened borders for economic reasons
so you let in a load of foreigners and things went wrong? makes sense
>Apparently it's a fricking huge problem in dense parts of China and HK
i've seen maybe 1 or 2 pieces security camera footage of a chinese person randomly committing acts of violence. how many do you think i see of Black folk on daily basis? how many drive-bys and stabbings do you see in asia? sure, crime exists, but culturally violence is seen as a no-no, in china you're expected to cheat and lie to get ahead, but they don't have any interest in randomly attacking people while high on crack
2 years ago
Anonymous
>all people had to do was stay inside for a few weeks, and wear a mask if they went outside
Total crap again, China keeps going 1984 with their lockdowns and it's still failing over and over.
The only place that seems to have had success is, strangely a place posted earlier in this thread because I fricking live there - Perth.
We're only people, in the context of a city, that succeeded and that was literally in the town plan as a goal for why we lowered density here. Sure the traffic is shithouse, but this place is remarkably good at stopping disease. Doesn't help that none of the tests work... for a disease literally manifesting because society is a thing now and it forces us to cohabit with it.
I think the real solution to our problems in society is pretty simple - get rid of society, it is a parasite.
2 years ago
Anonymous
anon, its difficult to keep it under control when they keeps 'accidentally' leaking out of the lab every 5 minutes.
also the reason the tests don't work is because it's all china made crap. not even chinese trust their locally made stuff
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon, predators exist because there is an ecosystem full stop, a closed in claustrophobic space for all life we are imprisoned in.
The core of the issue is actually far more ethereal than people think it is. It's an issue we've been dealing with since we first began to dream and imagine, when philosophy was established and we began to think about why our world is what it is.
Here's an example of the nature of the problem involved:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy
It's a problem of philosophy.
This the fundamental problem with town planning full stop. We're failing to realise the nihilistic reality of our society as a thing. We're failing to realise that we're never going to actually have a society that we're going to be satisfied with or one that will sustain a satisfiable amount of our goals individually, collectively, etc, etc. A society is a desperate coping mechanism to a desperate situation. All parts of the animal kingdom, from simple celled organisms to sardines to flocks of flamingos and humanity, suffer from the same form of space scarcity and the inevitable competition over space. It is at the fundamental core of all of our problems in our world. But it's also something we've grown to masochistically enjoy.... well most of us.
Some of us, however just cannot enjoy any part of their state of affairs in this world because it's just torture to them. An eternal struggle with no hope of salvation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
homie get your head out of the clouds
Overpopulation as you're proposing it is a sham
Capitalism is the limiting factor in your oh so feared overpopulation
2 years ago
Anonymous
All of this is fun, but if you keep up with futurism and what is possible in the future then you'll realize that society is the only way to paradise.
There is an unimaginable amount of space and resources out there in the solar system. All we have to do is make use of it.
>INB4 "space is a meme!!!"
It's not. This is cope. We all love thinking of excuses why the future won't be great to help us cope with the fact that we're born in a time that sucks in comparison.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm with you anon. People are so caught up in the doomsday cult mindset while we've figured out how to transmit data using quantum mechanics and reverse aging. Hell, just recently, we found an affordable means to reverse climate change and if there was a social push for it, we could probably make it happen within the next few years. Guess we can't do anything about anything since the headlines all say so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>doomsday cult mindset
Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like nearly everyone wants the world to end. Either literally or subconsciously.
Having the world end with nothing you can do about it is certainly a lot easier than actually solving any problems.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No Aryan wants things to end, we know our people are capable of great things. The doomsday mentality is planned and indoctrinated by the enemy on purpose, to stop our peoples normally rapid advancement.
2 years ago
Anonymous
almost choked on my food
keep fighting the good fight fellow aryan brother
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't want it to end, I just want to kill you and have me live.
I'm tired of your shit anon.
I want all of the tendies, ALL OF THEM.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If giving you my tendies makes you more happy than it makes me sad, you should get them anon. I hope you're having a great day
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If giving you my tendies makes you more happy than it makes me sad, you should get them anon.
I'd nibble your tendies if ya get me.
We'll call it a date then.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Frick off with this horseshit. Crime is UNIVERSAL in dense places.
Yeah, and yet you have things like Tokyo and things like Rio de Janeiro.
"Oh, but see, it's the same thing, they both have a crime problem, right? It's the same... It's a universal problem, believe me!"
I think you are fricking moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, it's still proportionally bad in both, regardless or race.
Race is more of a variance in gradient to the situation, but it's irrelevant to the global trend which is universal to to all pockets of the planet with all races. You're not thinking about what I'm saying anon.
Sure a dense black area will be worse than a dense white area, but regardless a dense white area will be worse than a less dense white area.
That's what I'm saying.
Maybe you come from a dense area yourself, you seem pretty dense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
your whole argument is that there's more people in dense areas homie the frick you talking about
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's exactly what I'm saying and I'm saying "that's only important aspect to look at here".
Density is the killer of harmonious societies. We call them social behavioural sinks.
But on top of this, there are relative disease issues involved with density too.
Plus, a lack of density may install naivety in many communities from shear isolation. That is why Ganker is so heinously aggressive to each other and outsiders, while most other social forums, which isolate themselves far more, are far more harmonious.
Which is why I think Mad Max Thunderdome really perfected urban design. It's just the most aesthetically pleasing and aware of it's insane abomination of an existence.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>white area >black area >talking about frickhuge megalopolises
Is this what being an American is like?
>walk 3 minutes to local grocery store >get some fresh ingredients >brisk walk back home and make a healthy meal >save money because you didn't shell out $6000 for a car, another few thousand for insurance, and didn't have to burn $10 in fuel getting there >didn't have to spend 15 minutes driving in circles to find a spot in the mile wide mega parking plex >didn't have to sit in traffic for another 20 minutes in the hot sun >didn't have to stop for gas and spend $70 for half a tank >didn't have to try and awkwardly drive around all the cars parked on the street >somehow gain weight doing all of this
>somehow gain weight doing all of this
ah, you forgot the mandatory McD stop on the way to the shop. After all, it is an hour long journey, people get hungry/thirsty.
actually it's the 4 pack of monster i demolish in a single night
>somehow gain weight doing all of this
ah, you forgot the mandatory McD stop on the way to the shop. After all, it is an hour long journey, people get hungry/thirsty.
>Roundabouts, hyper efficient tools assuming there's a good equilibrium between size and number of exits >Communism
Since when has Communism ever been efficient at anything but mass murder?
>roundabouts proven time and again to be better >americans can't into different things even if they're improvements >get angry >insult the rest of the world
>proven to increase accident rate >proven to be absolute shit at any speed above parking lot tier >proven to be extremely limited in terms of space and geography
When they succeed they're great, but they're really niche. Europoors think they can go everywhere because they have no concept of size. Americans know they'd be shit becuase they're too big for cities and too slow for anywhere else.
>proven to increase accident rate
Wrong, they decrease accidents
to be absolute shit at any speed above parking lot tier
??? It's faster than stopping and waiting at a traffic light
to be extremely limited in terms of space and geography
Wrong again they don't take up that much space and with proper urban planning in which america is lacking in this wouldn't even be an issue >They're too big for cities and too slow for anywhere else.
As if Europe doesn't have cities. European cities have used them for decades and they decreased the amount of accidents. They're not faster than waiting for traffic lights so you're also wrong on that. Everything you said is made up. Roundabouts have proven themselves countless of times to be better but you amerimutts are too stupid to understand simple things.
Your country is decades behind first world countries. At this point the usa isn't even a first world country anymore
All the roundabout shills will tell you they decrease injuries. What they don't say is that they increase accidents. You just get hurt less because everyone is going so damn slow.
If you can't look up basic things like the definition of first world country don't bother.
Literally first result for 'roundabout accident rate'
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-03/roundabouts-increase-certain-kinds-of-auto-crashes
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Past monitoring of 30 of the state’s 300-plus roundabouts revealed these particular intersections, which used to be traffic-signal controlled, experienced a 38 percent drop in car deaths and injuries. At the same time the total number of crashes jumped 12 percent.
Severity is down, but small accidents are up. That's not a bad thing, anon.
Also >Between 30 to 50 percent of accidents at single-lane roundabouts around the U.S. have involved lone vehicles.
The problem is Americans
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Severity is down, but small accidents are up. That's not a bad thing, anon.
That's subjective moron.
Would you rather be shot by a rifle once or a handgun twice? There's not a correct answer.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the 38% of reduction is of deaths and injuries
the accidents that still happen are minor and just result in vehicle damages
2 years ago
Anonymous
>38% drop in car deaths AND injuries
People are being injured LESS, even with more crashes, mutt >muh guns
>still can't google what subjective means
2 years ago
Anonymous
>deaths/injuries vs (mostly minor) material damages is a subjective and hard choice for the amerimutt
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, obviously. I'm a good driver therefore I am not going to get into an injury-causing accident anyway, so the reduction there does not benefit me. Respectively, the increase in total number of accidents means more slowdowns, which does affect me even if I'm not directly involved.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm a good driver
You're American, no you aren't
2 years ago
Anonymous
>gets T boned
wtf bros I was driving properly???
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you were a good driver then you'd realise you have near-zero control over whether you get into a fatal accident.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>less injuries/deaths being a good thing is subjective
You know what, I agree with you here, it is subjective, every amerishart that dies on the road makes the world a slightly better place.
We need to build less roundabouts in America so we can pump up those numbers and kill more sharts
2 years ago
Anonymous
American moral dilemmas are hilarious.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>38% drop in car deaths AND injuries
People are being injured LESS, even with more crashes, mutt >muh guns
2 years ago
Anonymous
>data from NA roundabouts
Still, 38 percent drop in car deaths and injuries over 12 percent more minor accidents, sounds like a win
2 years ago
Anonymous
>12% more people slightly hitting each other's bumper because Muttmericans get confused >38% less AAAAAAAAAAAH I CAN MAKE THE GREEN LIGHT IF I HURRY
Roundabouts are based
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's not even bumper hits, it's lone vehicle accidents that rose. Meaning no car-on-car violence, just cars not staying on the road.
2 years ago
Anonymous
More proof, as if any more was needed, that Amerisharts cannot drive
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Meaning no car-on-car violence, just cars not staying on the road
kek, so they don't know the roundabout sign and think it's just a corner coming up
All the roundabout shills will tell you they decrease injuries. What they don't say is that they increase accidents. You just get hurt less because everyone is going so damn slow.
I fricking hate successive roundabouts, changed jobs and the fastest way to work is across a bypass littered with seven of them. Roundabouts absolutely ass rape your fuel efficiency. I went from averaging 54mpg to 40mpg in the span of a year. That car was averaging 54mpg for five years. That's how much it fricked my mpg.
I once installed a mod that made all housing have realistic amounts of people in them, so skyscrapers would house hundreds of families
Traffic pretty much died immediately
Traffic is just universal without proper management of density.
And the only density that truly functions right is the lowest of low densities - rural density.
And most of us can't stand rural density, it's boring.
>average traffic flow 80% >the 3 connectors at a flow of sub20% >op doesnt realize his average gets inflated by all the unused roads >op is moronic
the point of a roundabout is to make sure the knots within your infrastructure still flow
your city is built like a clogged artery
Roundabouts work because they make you slow down. That's it, that's the entire magic of it
You slow down and actually look what the other drivers are doing so you don't crash into them at 40mph
Same concept as shared spaces. It works for a city planner in their cuck office but people who interact with them hate them and it drives people away from your city.
you guys remember the scam elon musk pulled in las vegas? the las vegas loop replaces a short walk. americans will do everything in their power to not walk or use public transport.
>Oh no! I have to sit next to someone with a different skin color than mine!
I really can't imagine being American. I just can't imagine it. Does it make you wince in pain to interact with people? Do you feel attacked when a small group of Black folk are talking to each other? Just sit the frick down.
Anon you don't understand. I have no issue with skin color. I have an issue with Black folk acting like wild packs of dogs and harassing you nonstop. There's a difference between blacks and Black folk. Black person is a way of life most blacks unfortunately succumb to.
so dead and cremated is the obvious solution as it takes the least amount of space to transport in that form, but now a question remains how do we revive them once they reach their destination?
There's a fricking intersection in my city that is a 2 lane road both ways intersecting with another one. All fine until you realize instead of a light they have stop signs for everyone. And to top it off it's right at a big shopping center. Fricking Santa Fe
Actually, he's smart because frick high density areas.
They are cancerous shitholes. All they do is allow less people to control the land that others are forced to pay rent or leases on.
They are not only a debt trap, they are a social and environmental nightmare worse than suburbia.
cities is not a traffic flow simulator, it just looks like one. you can't build good roundabouts in vanilla becasue the code doesn't handle them right and treats them as 4 close intersections instead.
I agree, the more I played it, the more I realised that it's just a game, not a real simulator.
It's like Factorio with production. There's no ambiguous and humanistic instructional ability in the game. It's purely flow orientated and it's not even a realistic flow.
We really have not developed the AI in these things well. At the moment they are pure machines, when in reality they should be behaving more and more like people.
Because we live in the modern information age where everyone can watch a small crash course on a subject and come out with a solid basic understanding of the subject.
College and schools are slowly becoming obsolete. Random Black folk on youtube are better at explaining shit than teachers.
>you will constantly tax yourself on a cramped space made to remind you that you are a slave to the system while you get pissed on by a hobo and your wallet nicked
Anon, both are shit. Society is shit.
Let's just all agree on this one aspect - frick society.
>you will NOT see and talk to other people
this upside is the very reason I either drive a car or cycle, never anything else. for every single public transportation trip i have, there's always at least one person in there who is smelly, loud, drunk, or bothersome in any other way. i'm gonna walk out right now and personally thank my car for keeping me away from the revolting shitshow of public transportation
TMPE
Realistic Population 2
Improved Public Transport
Imports and Exports CEO
Roundabout Builder
Precision Engineering
Lifestyle Rebalance Revisited
Bulldoze It
These make it more functional, I'm sure there's some others which anons will recommend
How the frick do you do the early game in this?
I always run out of money if I don't somehow accidentally make the perfect early setup.
Either I build too small and can't keep up with maintenance costs or I build too big and can't finish the early city and then can't keep up with maintenance costs.
Keep costs low. Use gravel roads, don't build roads you don't need right now, provide bare minimum of services. Once money starts flowing in, you'll quickly be in a situation where you can afford to plop down roads for stuff you'll maybe build much later, but at the very start roads alone can kill your budget.
>Exit my house >Walk down my sidewalk >Get into my car >Drive in my personal space to the store >Take the road I want >Drive it at my pace >Buy as much shit as I want that can fit into my car >Load it up myself and drive back home >When my car breaks down I can fix it in my garage
The amount of people pissing themselves ITT about owning something is astounding
And how much does all that that cost you? Money and time.
Now imagine you have a store close by that you can just walk there in the same time that you would've needed to drive in your example.
And if you didn't want to walk, you could take a bus for half the time and even less money.
>Money & Time
I spend maybe on average 1-2k a year on vehicles not including gas. I also enjoy working on them as a hobby. I buy rustbuckets and drive them into the ground because Pennsylvania uses brine to salt the roads. Mass transit via bus is also complete ass. Depending on the route what would be a 15 minute drive is a 1 hour ride.
>Exit my house >Glance nervously at the length of grass as it has been 48 hours since last trim and the HOA will evict me if it is not regulation length >Get into my car >Sigh knowing that I could walk for 5 minutes as the crow flies to get the few things I need but the city planning makes that take 3 hours due to roads and lack of pedestrian paths >Drive at my pace >Speed a little >Shot by police
>Like I'd live anywhere with an HOA, they could suck the detached muffler of my rusted out Hyundai >Philadelphia, Pittsburg, Harrisburg, State College, Washington DC... Every American city I've been to has had many parking options within a stone's throw of anything important when I god forbid had to actually go into one >Not shooting the shit with small town police about your choice of firearms or the PSP's decision to switch from Glock to SIG after being pulled over for speeding
>Mass transit via bus is also complete ass. Depending on the route what would be a 15 minute drive is a 1 hour ride.
Yes, that's what I'm describing. Imagine it wasn't ass.
That's life for Europeans.
>Exit my house >Glance nervously at the length of grass as it has been 48 hours since last trim and the HOA will evict me if it is not regulation length >Get into my car >Sigh knowing that I could walk for 5 minutes as the crow flies to get the few things I need but the city planning makes that take 3 hours due to roads and lack of pedestrian paths >Drive at my pace >Speed a little >Shot by police
before i moved >exit apartment >get to sidewalk >walk one (1) minute >buy fresh stuff i want to eat today >when i forget something i can just go again
now >leave house >take my bicycle >ride 3 minutes >buy fresh stuff i want to eat today >when bicycle breaks i can easily repair it for a really low cost
i can not imagine living in american surburban hell you literally just get the worst of both rural and city living
That is commie city planning though. Every single block is same size, facing the same way, the roads are a symmetric grid. Literally the most israeli city I have ever seen.
Yes. A city should prioritize aesthetics over efficiency, you soulless bugman. All the antiquity, medieval and renaissance era buildings and streets of Europe are beautiful because the people believed that seeing wondrous architecture and infrastructure is food for the soul. That you will consistently be happier if you live in a beautiful place rather than an ugly one.
"muh efficient city design" is peak israelitery. We must be efficient for the soul and mind well being first, not for money.
>Street/road patterns have nothing to do with the architecture.
Depends, if you design what we would normally call "grid architecture" and do it for the context of street plans - is that therefore "street architecture"?
I think you're misunderstanding the term "architecture", anon. We use architecture as a phrase in many things, such as computer architecture, social architecture, etc, etc.
It's quite a vague term really.
>another episode of "amerilard tries to preach about europe"
Americans have to deal with this 100 billion times a day. One moron doing it back is more than deserved.
Yes. A city should prioritize aesthetics over efficiency, you soulless bugman. All the antiquity, medieval and renaissance era buildings and streets of Europe are beautiful because the people believed that seeing wondrous architecture and infrastructure is food for the soul. That you will consistently be happier if you live in a beautiful place rather than an ugly one.
"muh efficient city design" is peak israelitery. We must be efficient for the soul and mind well being first, not for money.
Give this guy a fake castle and a couple of gargoyles and he'll be happy
>tfw watching documentary about British people on the dole >You can get the dole at fricking 19 for being sad essentially and they barely check in on you >But you have to actually prove certain shit to go to a soup kitchen/food pantry
You bongs realize that's backwards, right?
they literally do have cars waiting around. are you blind? traffic is visibly congested around those red parts. but more importantly the color indicates congestion over time. when you take a screenshot you may catch an intersection that's red even though it has no cars currently. that just means there's congestion there at other times.
Also, zero mass transit.
Never played Cities, but IRL the next question would be "Where the frick are you parking all those cars?" While homes can ostensibly have garages and whatnot, is it just street parking for any commercial area?
Cars are made by Capsule Corp in the game, they just put them back in their pockets.
Honestly I would probably play a dragon ball themed city builder
Honestly, that could be a fun game.
Parking is a pain in the dick in my city.
>Drive 20 minutes to a mall
>spend just as long looking for a place to park
A lot of the properties have parking spots and they will be used.
>donuts
>police
I remember the Sim City devs saying they had parking lot simulation at one point and they took it out because it quickly grew out of control and wasn't fun.
>mass transit
I have never been able to get that shit to work right. Invariably like 80% of the stops will be empty and the remaining 20% completely overflowing. I would assume they'll get off at whatever stop is closest to their destination but I'm pretty sure they don't because I once put a bunch of shit right next to each other just to see if it would spread the crowd out a little and almost all of them still gravitated to one stop in particular. It seems like you just HAVE to provide technically more public transport than should be required to keep things flowing smoothly. Maybe that's how it works in real life?
you can mod your buses/bus stops to be more realistic as far as capacity goes but you might just suck at the game
>"city" is smaller than an apple in new york
Black person kek
Da frick is an apple in new york?
Are you 8?
No explanation? Guess you don't even know what it means.
Toddlers need to learn in school, not in 4chin
Not everyone comes from hamburger country, European cities aren't artificially shaped into squares. How the frick does calling a city block an apple make any sense.
>How the frick does calling a city block an apple make any sense.
It doesn't really. "The Big Apple" was popularized based on a metaphor of each city being an apple on a tree and NYC being the best of the bunch. I'm not from New York, but I've never heard of anyone calling a district an "apple"
the apple store, moron
He means your city is smaller than a small apple in the big apple
Some languages call a city block an apple. It could just be someone translating literally.
Which is where "The Big Apple" comes from
3am
>apple in new york
Are you making words up?
the frick are you on about?
Didn't the roundabout meme die ages ago? I'm sure I came across a video on youtube years back that went through all the different types of intersections and explained their applications and actually proved just making roundabouts everywhere is actually a really bad idea and your problem is more to do with your road hierarchy and zoning layout than it is to do with intersections when you get massive blockages. Roundabouts are, at best, a bandaid on a much bigger problem.
Roundabouts have advantages and disadvantages. They cannot solve all your problems, and there are situations where an intersection with lights is what you need. In very simplified terms, roundabouts are extremely efficient in the situations where they work because they'll have constant flow, as contrasted to lights which have frequent pauses to clear the intersection. Not a factor in C:S, but they're also generally safer because traffic lines never intersect at 90 degrees angles, which is an accident type with very high lethality rates.
Main downsides to roundabouts include times when one direction is far more trafficked than the others to the point that another direction simply cannot enter the roundabout. In those case, a traffic light would at least divide the waiting time evenly despite having lower throughput.
>roundabouts are extremely efficient in the situations where they work because they'll have constant flow
My understanding is roundabouts are good for light and maybe medium but more than that and their efficiency absolutely plummets and they actually become hazardous areas.
Even at high traffic, a roundabout can still have better flow than traffic lights if the drivers know how to use it, but that's a small consolation if you're sitting in the lane that hasn't been able to enter for 20 minutes because the direction to your left has had nonstop traffic and isn't letting anyone in.
And then of course in reality, you have the issue of drivers being scared to enter when there is an open spot, or drivers not respecting right of way, both of which can slow traffic down. And also adding too many lanes to a roundabout doesn't really work since people need to be able to get out in time again. Two-lane roundabouts are perfectly managable, but four would be awful. So logically, connecting a 4-lane road to a roundabout would be troublesome.
Provided there's enough space to allow it to happen, a 4-laner into a roundabout isn't necessarily a bad thing.
This is in bong speak, so reverse it all if you're a 3rd worlder...
The left-hand lane can fork off early to the left-hand turn and avoid the roundabout altogether.
The inside-left lane will then be a primay straight-on lane, with the middle of the 3 remaining lanes being a secondary straight-on lane (allows traffic to build up and exit the straight on road in multiple lanes). The far right hand lane would then be right-turn only.
Now, a 3 lane roundabout would still be a shitshow, but's not the end of the world.
The number of lanes doesn't matter for spiral roundabouts, just ensure you match the number of exits to the number of lanes you have (which can also be sorted by having multiple lanes coming off one exit at a time for heavier traffic). They're the best kind of roundabout.
False, I absolutely detest heavy intersections that don't have roundabouts. Roundabouts have two main problems:
1. Roundabouts in a heavy traffic road that's close to a traffic light, this will cause the roundabout to jam during rush hour.
2. Improperly designed roundabouts with 3 or more lanes that allow for free lane switching while inside at any time, preventing you from actually entering it in rush hour because there's always that one Black person of gender that will decide last minute she's in the wrong lane and block you from entering.
That is 100% correct because I've had so many near misses on a roundabout built ON A HIGHWAY near where I live.
Fricking Perth's roundabout obsession pisses me off.
They have the same problems putting a set of lights on a 90km/h road even with the big prepare to stop signs everywhere or just dickheads going straight through a red light at night because they don't want to stop for 30 seconds
I literally just wished they'd put spaghetti on highways with clearer signs.
The signs here are fricking shit.
Doesn't help when the road planning is ignored for property prices in one area (because they certainly didn't cry when it meant more industry in a protected fish breeding ground).
Frick property developers. They are cancer.
Roundabouts have high accident rates but low fatal accident rates
If you look into this, the roundabouts with high accident rates are typically examples such as T junctions that have been needlessly converted into a roundabout. These roundabouts, when put into high congestion zones, end up in three-way stalemates where the "give way to right rule" is now a guessing game based on who has the balls to go first, and hope someone else doesn't have the same idea.
These fake roundabouts can frick right off
Build a fricking center
that why it doesnt have a center. big cars and trucks can just ignore it
Then, get this, wht about a stoplight?
>stop light on a side street
at most it would get a stop/give way sign but that not the point. they are made to make you drive slower through the intersection
no lol learn to drive you clown
>Just learn to have psychic powers and know exactly when one of the two other drivers are going to gun it because you're all sitting still waiting for the person on your right to make the first move
We get it mate, you can't drive
m8 you're bullshitting fricking hard if you think these tiny roundabouts aren't death traps. we're not talking about ones that are double laned and have a circumference of 100 meters. we're talking about t-junctions that have existed as such since the 50s being turned into fake shitty "roundabouts."
I've been driving for 15 years and I don't have a problem, I've never had an accident on one, and I can navigate them properly. The problem is you and the other road users who cannot drive because you're a paki who paid someone else to sit the test for you.
>gun it
>on the fricking roundabout
The real world is not Fast and Furious, if you can't react to a car going from 0 to 20-30 km at most, then you are metally incapable to drive.
What do you not understand about these tiny roundabout conversions being, let me repeat it, tiny? See this example?
It's literally too small for a transit van to 360 around it.
If you're trying to do a 360 on a mini roundabout in a vehicle which is bigger than a small hatchback you're a fricking moron.
if you can't 360 around a roundabout in any vehicle, it is worthless as a roundabout. if your vehicle has to drive over the island to navigate it, the roundabout is worthless. it serves no purpose, it does not meet the advantages of an actual roundabout. It should have stayed a junction.
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Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. beware of others doing this.
Just learn to drive, anon. It's really easy, I promise.
you don't drive, it's obvious you've never experienced rush hour traffic on these things. people who are angry and pissed off don't crawl to a move, they floor it. this shit happens all the time on these fricking things in manchester where they get clogged up and frequently blocked by large vehicles who can't move because of said rush hour traffic.
your barren empty village of fifty people does not count as an actual dangerous experience on these things.
>manchester
There it is, so you ARE a paki. Thanks for confirming anon.
you're thinking of bradford, nonce.
>City of Manchester
>66% white
No, I got it right
you understand that's one of the highest for an english city?
london is 41% white.
Aye, it's disgusting, still full of pakis though, like you
Roundabouts in cities on main roads are just fricking dangerous. I can handle them, but my problem is the granny next to me who doesn't know that we give way to the right here, or what she had for breakfast.
So what you get are grannys driving on the right instead of the left in my country. This happens all the time.
We've probably got more roundabouts than anywhere else on the planet so it's not even a cultural thing. It's universal.
>too small for a transit van to GUN IT 360 around it.
First, you say that you can't possibly react to a car going from a complete stop to 25km/h and now your problem is a transit van doing that even slower. What the frick is wrong with you?
Dude, I'm in roundabout hell in Australia and I can tell you - they are fricking annoying to deal with when you just want to cruise from A to B.
Exception: long stretches of main road with no lights. You need something to break up the traffic into packages to allow incoming and out going flow to function.
In fact, that would be the only time when a roundabout is handy - I tend to use them for U-turns and they are good for U-turns.
Otherwise, they are annoying.
lmao, so functionally identical to equal T-junction but they slapped circle in middle just because. atleast you can u-turn if you must I guess. maybe, seems bit tight even for that.
well yeah when you opt for just painting a bloody circle instead of widening the intersection and building an actual roundabout, what you get is bullshit.
I have never even been slightly confused on a roundabout.
i was once when i was first learning to drive but that was a big 3 lane bastard. been smooth sailing ever since
Yes the YouTube vídeo you watched changed the world of traffic forever
>Intersections every 10 feet
Jesus christ.
>muh 80%
>pop is less than 10k
LOL come back with 85% at 100k pop.
Shitter.
>small ass city
>brags about low traffic
Is your industry the bottom right section?
Yes.
You should be getting over 90% in a city that small. Those bridges are going to be fricked soon.
Do americans really not fricking understand how to drive roundabouts?
>check if car is already engaged in, give it priority
>when you get a slot, engage in the roundabout, drive around it until you get to your exit, turn your blinker on a bit before you turn
>turn
Cool now explain how to drive on a busy two lane roundabout where nobody cares about the rules and just drives in the outside lane.
b***h I drive through this homie in pic related daily to work.
Yo dawg, i heard you like roundabouts.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7252634,-9.1497925,262m/data=!3m1!1e3
Someone post that sunflower roundabout somewhere in the UK.
What is even the point of the entire middle? Just make it into a little nature reserve or something.
homies bout to sacrifice 100 morning commuters for a philosopher stone
what the FRICK is that, is that british?
Yes, you can tell because the name is really stupid;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon)
Roundabouts are complicated only for people who dont drive.
General rule
>guy inside donut has priority
>find window to get inside donut
>do whatever you want and leave donut whenever you want
EZ
Lisbon is interesting to post here, because it's arguable the foundation of modern town planning because of a horrific Earthquake they had a long time ago. They rebuilt the town AND enforced structural integrity standards for the new houses so that they would be to cutting edge engineering of the time in order to survive quakes.
In fact, people don't realise that Portugal was an oasis of modern engineering in that era due likely to it's connections with Islamic mathematics schools before the reconquista. In fact, town planning was probably perfected early by Islamic states to begin with. What the hell happened to Islam to make it a hole in places today is beyond me. *cough* the ottomans *cough*
Check a new arab town in Saudi. Now compare Ankara. Yeah. Turks are still shit at town planning.
Was this the same earthquake that practically ended their colonial empire?
Might have been.
I think they learned by looking at London's reconstruction in 1666 (how's that year... holy shit) how not to do a rebuild. They had no choice though because they needed to build in a manner that didn't cause issues with future quakes.
I bet they got into financial strife from it, but I think their empire was already in decline by that stage.
Friend, geometric finesse is no place for a human life to flourish in
They thought it literally would back then.
Yeah it's 1700s mentality.
In reality, both that well designed saudi shithole and turk shithole are the equivalent of polishing an overpopulated turd. Which is something that most city planning is now. A waste of fricking time.
>Best type of a roundabout
>Barely used anywhere
Why? It doesn't take more space than a normal one, uses 2 lanes effectively, and stops people from being moronic. Where's the downside?
downside is you can't make a u turn
???
People see lines on the road and lanes then panic
Well here's the thing, even when they panic, how do they frick up? Worst case scenario they go from the left lane before the entry into the right lane on the roundabout and exit on the first exit instead of the second. Of course, they could go full moron and start going over the bump in the middle but even the panicked person would instinctively avoid it.
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Where is this? I feel like I've been here before.
The frick? Is it leading into a 4-way intersection that still has to use lights? Doesn't that defeat the point of having a roundabout there?
American streets are disgusting. why would anyone build a two+ street though a city. as a highway it makes sense.
Because most American cities have never been rebuilt; those ARE highways. The city got built around them.
Euro cities have been burnt down and bombed to shit repeatedly so they could rebuild them, American cities have never had anything like that.
Anon... that's Belgium. One thing I've learned from being on this site is that regardless of nation, there's an equal distribution of morons everywhere.
fricking moron, 1 look at that and you know its not america
if that were american every rush hour would devolve into road rage and shootouts
we aren't smart enough to navigate things like that
Fricking Meiser
>people ignoring the rules means the system doesn't work
is that really a thing though? I live near a big 2 lane roundabout in australia, and people there follow the lane rules 99% of the time. If you're turning left or straight ahead (lefthand side driving), you can use either lane. if you're turning right or back the way you came, you must use the inside lane.
>in australia
Australians are generous drivers. Other nations aren't full of generous drivers.
lmao m8 you've never driven in Australia
Yes, I have. Australians are nice people. The guy in the roundabout will slow down to let you in even though they have right of way. You don't get that in other nations.
Do you live in a country town with a population of 100?
my homie that never happens here
Americans truly are special needs drivers
You can’t use the inside lane when you are turning left, you’ll crash into the people in the outer lane going left or straight you ninny.
Also why is the American response to something they don’t like is to call it communism
Depends on the roundabout. You need to read the road marking.
For example, on the right side of this image the entrance to the roundabout says that both lanes can turn left, and only the right lane can turn right.
>Portal reference
That’s only because the left lane can’t go straight, which every roundabout I know can. That’s an exception, not the rule.
ah shit I wasn't even thinking, yeah if you're turning left there's no reason to be in the inside lane. Funny thing is, I'd never do that driving in a million years but trying to explain it in text my brain went all moronic.
>Also why is the American response to something they don’t like is to call it communism
The Cold War fricking broke them, they gorged themselves on anti-red propoganda so hard that to this day "socialism" is still acceptably used as a slur and total condemnation in political discourse to shut down any ideas which try to benefit the public generally.
If you tell them libraries are socialist they'll lobby for them to be privatised. Roundabouts? Communist trap restricting my freedoms.
You guys are sincerely looking far too deep into what OP meant as a one-off joke. Americans don't think roundabouts are "communist". They're just poking fun at European governments typically leaning further to the left than the U.S. and having socialist ideologies.
No one can even handle childish banter these days.
>Do americans really not fricking understand how to drive roundabouts?
Clearly what happened here is one guy went down the wrong way first and then the guy behind him thought that was what you supposed to do at this intersection and then the guy behind him saw two people going down there and so and so on. I'm sure everyone one of them except one was thinking "This is not right, is it? But everyone else is doing it... I'll just follow the crowd."
Yeah, when you all of a sudden run into a roundabout when you've never encountered after years of driving and you see everyone taking the left and right lanes like it's an intersection, you're going to be confused as frick. The first few people were using it properly, but that one guy with the trailer didn't seem to realize what it was before getting there (fair to say he's a moron) which caused a chain reaction. Shows how important road markings are though. Indicating incoming and outgoing traffic lanes would've prevented this even if that one guy made the mistake he did.
Wut?
I understand that you basically need a car anywhere in the states to basically survive and that's why they give out driving licenses if you buy two packs of cereals
But jesus fricking christ
>Most of the people in trucks understand (except the first guy with the trailer who did it wrong first)
>Most of the cars and SUVs don't (all followed the leader)
There's no way that first one with the trailer will make it around that narrow roundabout.
If he can make that turn then he can get around the roundabout.
He would be able to if he took a european drivers license that would've educated him enough to not hog the left side before going into the corner.
We have mega liner truckers who can take single-lane roundabouts with the same size as that in the video.
If pic related can go round them, we should start expect Americans to learn sooner or later as well.
>the virgin european driver
>the chad american public danger
People who've never seen a roundabout make things pretty moronic for a bit, but it evens out pretty quickly. My city installed a bunch of new roundabouts and a few dumb accidents and morons complaining happened, but within a year everyone in town could use it perfectly and anyone out of town would could just follow the traffic and make it through.
Are roundabouts are not common in the USA?
Nope
Damn. My city is small, and we have like 2 or 3 roundabouts.
there's only one near where I live, and it was just build a year ago. I've never seen one anywhere else here in burger land
Of course not, because you can't speed through them like you could speed through a normal 4-way intersection with lights. Americans can't tolerate slowing down.
I've never seen one in person. They require a number of specufuc circumstances which tend to make them rare. First, they need a lot of space, meaning they'll almost never show up in cities. Second, you need to either slow down or be going slow, meaning they'll almost never show up in rural areas. Finally, you need medium amounts of traffic from multiple directions, which is rare in suburbia--the only candidate for them. So they just don't really get built.
very rare, and the only ones i've seen are 2 lane ones and they're never in big cities
Anon you can't get a driver's license without knowing how to drive in a roundabout, or are even American driving schools made for absolute morons? No wonder the country is falling apart so quickly
This doesn't make sense because I've seen heaps of roundabouts in America and that was 10 yrs ago.
I tend to cut off people I hate the look of because it amuses me here.
> I've seen heaps of roundabouts in America and that was 10 yrs ago.
The ones you've seen have probably been established for a while and have a community who's used to them. Considering there's a Dollar General, this is probably some small-town out in the middle of nowhere filled with elderly people who are barely cognizant of where they are.
to be fair this is a fricking weird roundabout
How is it weird? It can't be more basic
I've never seen a roundabout where they physically separate the lanes like that
All the roundabouts in my city are like that, and besides, what the hell is confusing about dividing medians? Those are common even outside of roundabout contexts.
this could have been easily solved just by adding a few painted lines. most americans have no clue what a roundabout is
Are they mentally moronic, what the frick?
>And I'm proud to be an american!!! Where at least I know I'm freeee!
This round-about just makes no sense
That looks like a one-way road they're all coming in on, why would it connect like that?
it's not a one way road, it's just morons going on the opposite direction
It's not a one-way road. It was a new road that didn't have lanes painted on and Americans automatically assumed that it was one-way.
This video is americans using the roundabout wrong and entering lanes in the wrong way.
>Americans don't even know how to drive on regular roads
pffft
Being from Europe and having driven from NYC to Miami I can safely say that Americans don't know shit about driving. There was some kind of accident every 20 minutes on the interstate, car parts lying everywhere and damaged cars on the streets left and right.
I've never seen more moronic people driving.
See
They make you run a lap on a cone circuit, do a 5 question theory test and call it a day
They love to cry about freedom but are slaves to cars
And with Americans being the way they are road rages can sometimes end with somebody getting shot
Americans finally driving on the right side of the road.
They always drive on the right side of the road
but the right side of the road is the wrong side of the road
The right side is the right side, and the left side is the left. There is no "wrong side" silly.
no the left side is the right side. this is pretty elementary stuff anon.
Sheesh, next you're going to tell me 2+2=5.
of course not, that's insane
left is right, simple as
bruh
Same idea as if I tried to make you use an IBM 700. It's so fricking ancient and obsolete modern people have no idea.
cope
That's strange. Manual gives you more freedom to drive the way you want. Automatic's an automatic system that takes choice away. One would think freedom loving americans would be all for choice, but I guess that's just all talk.
homie, 90% of car trips are commutes and the like
there's no reason to not use automatic in those situations (+better mileage (not frickold automatics))
t. euro that drives a manual
Must be a personal preference thing then. When I'm moving my two ton death machine, I want to be in control completely. Can't forget these things kill people every single day, I'm not letting go of any control I have over it. Plus I'm like 90% sure manual gets better mileage over unit of gas than automatics do, which I hadn't even thought about until you brought that up.
>Plus I'm like 90% sure manual gets better mileage over unit of gas than automatics do,
You literally take like a 50% hit on mileage if you drive manual at peak efficiency. Autos are way better and manuals are BTFO by CVTs. The control is a meme aspect too, since autos are objectively safer on top of everything else.
I get you like shifting or whatever, but there is honestly zero reason to use a manual off of a racetrack except being too poor to afford an auto.
Did a bit of googling, and looks like you're right, my opinion on fuel efficiency is outdated by a good ten years or so.
Closer to 50 mate. Manuals have obsolete for decades, its all just boomer lore being propogated.
Is your car from the 60s
You will never have complete control (and that's a good thing). I don't care how good of a driver you may think you are. Humans fricking suck
Older automatics had kinda shit milege, but modern ones, specially with the use you seem to give it (hehe I wanna go vroom vroom at each traffic light only to stop at the next one in 20 seconds), an automatic car is gonna be way better
what no. Going vroom vroom at traffic lights is a great way to wreck your car and kill people. It's the opposite of what I'm trying to do, which is keeping the two ton monster under control.
I meant more like "getting to the speed limit in two seconds only to be forced on the next traffic light"
Yeah I understood that, just trying to say that's the opposite of what I do. Safe and efficient is my goal, not speed and loud noises. That shit stays on the race track (I sometimes drive go-karts to get my vroom vroom fix).
Fair enough, stay safe
Yeah and a walker has more freedom than a wheeled vehicle but it still sucks ass
Autos are better in every meaningful way except cost and Murica isnt poor
>Same idea as if I tried to make you use an IBM 700. It's so fricking ancient and obsolete modern people have no idea.
To be fair, the only advantage that manual has over automatic is lower repair costs. Automatic is better in every single way if you are a normal everyday driver.
I prefer manual for spirited driving, scottish b roads for example, but auto for town/city/motorway driving.
VW's DSG is a great middleground, but I still miss the clutch when hammering it
>Do americans really not fricking understand how to drive roundabouts?
A lot of products here have very basic instructions or warnings that have that stupidest of the population in mind. Stupidity is celebrated here unfortunately.
Most can't even adhere to a simple intersection stop sign.
We have alot of them in massachusetts. I find them easy enough, personally
>commie donuts
why would roundabouts be communist
roundabouts allow drivers to assess risk, and enter when they think it's safe, with little restriction or interference. They are the embodiment of free will, much like the free market.
Traffic lights take the agency and risk assessment from the driver and put in the hands of an arbitrary machine that decides for you. They are the embodiment of the state, telling you, the worker, when to proceed
cus there in yurop
americ**ts fought on the side of commies in ww2 and provided them with tanks
and there are more neomarxists in america today than in yurop
what the frick are you talking about moron
usa is probably one of the most commie country in the world right now
you have the strongest antifa
and your blm homosexualry literally uses a commie symbol
and its an organization even approved by your commie president
>your commie president
God I fricking wish
You're getting way too heated about OP's shitpost, comrade. Have some nutella
>They are the embodiment of free will, much like the free market.
good goy
Truth.
You forgot the part where they get held up by morons, pussies, blind people, and old people and become more of a burden than a boon when something designed for the able is accessible by the disabled.
And how is that any different from any other free market, for example video games?
Americans think that anything that could potentially improve their lives is communism and therefore created by Satan to make them gay.
>all low density housing
yeah no shit, I don't get a traffic jam driving around my suburb either.
>80%
>havent even filled the first unlocked area
>low residency
>thinks its even remotely good
have a nice day
Question to based steamies
How the frick do you unlock the DLCs for this game? CreamAPI and other unlockers from rin just make the game crash during loading for me.
>completely flat ground
Of course you have zero roundabouts, you can just make a perfect grid like a giant pussy.
High density is as much of a mistake as low density. You can have dense metropolises with a mildly thicker population density that modern western suburbia.
Somewhere between western suburbia and asian townplans is the sweet spot, but you need more curbside and greenery or it becomes fricking latin america (which is this without greenery essentially).
You also need greenbelts between clusters of towns, otherwise you get inner city LA which is a nightmare.
Metros help, but really only when they're underground. Above ground metros tend to act like rivers in restricting traffic flow.
>here is your roundabout bro
ff7 remake lookin dogshit
>arrive from top left
>have to go to bottom right
>check google maps, what the frick is this route
>get nearer the puke spiral, see the concrete monstrosity from far away
>feel nauseous from just looking at it but frick it, can't get off the bridge now anyways, let's just do it
>get in, see other people are getting dizzy as well, some start veering off and crashing
>already feel like shit, not even halfway through
>start praying for this to end, despite being an atheist
>after what felt like 5 hours, with the steering wheel full of vomit and feeling like i just got out off a plane crash i finally make it and exit the roundabout
>it was the wrong exit
>end up choosing to go around that
I do that with some similar dumb complex intersections in my area because the traffic is just so bad to deal with.
underrated
Jesus Christ imagine the noise.
>Coventry ring road nightmare edition.
I used to often place highway merge ramps on the left
One day I had to take one in real life
Since then I go above and beyond to always place ramps on the right
As in ramp on the left but drivers in the right? That's moronic anon, why
Yes
I'm really not sure, most likely by extreme necessity since roads are very regulated/standarized here
It works for flow, but it's not good to use as a human being.
That's exactly why public transport pushers and modern road designers are pure garbage at making a "liveable" and "practical" design. They focus on flow and not the psychology of the person driving.
My fricking area literally painted soundwalls with, now get this, DAZZLE colouring.
You know, the colouring used so you had trouble working out depth and distance on boats in WWI? They decided to paint the soundwalls like that.
What in the name of frick were they thinking? The place is a death trap now.
This isn't even the finished colouring, it's even worse than this. Looks like fricking Londonderry too and I always rev in this section because it really amplifies the sound of the engine. It's a fricking v6, not even a v8.
This shit goes on for about a kilometre and a bit. It's the worst road development this place has ever designed.
Also hello to any Perthgays lurking.
Sorry but you're just moronic
Oh and this is the roundabout on it.
On a fricking highway.
On the route to the fricking port, with thousands of trucks (not just trucks, fricking ROAD TRAINS) using it every day.
This was the moment I decided I had had enough of roundabouts. Seeing this thing, which by the way has almost cleaned me up in accident from nearly getting hit by a road train who decided to change lanes just before this thing... not even to the turning lane and THEN with him turning regardless without indication.
Frick you, you don't drive on this piece of shit. It's made traffic worse here.
eyes on the road homie
Oh and this is the comfy patch of this neighbourhood before this travesty.
Sure it had traffic problems, but now it's just a lifeless hell.
Road developers are pure cancer.
Americans will see nothing wrong with this
That's definitely something different between Australia and the US, we do see problems with it here.
I agree. This town cares more about fricking quendas than actual people here.
Would you rather get tboned by a transport at a lights on a highway who couldn't stop because of his weight?
No I would not.
And that's no excuse for this crap regardless. I know it was fricking appalling to begin with, but the fact is - politics and poor planning got in the way.
And now the area is fricking northern Ireland and hideous. It looks like a fricking factory district now.
Speaking of Perth and roads I saw a comedian visiting from america and he said WA would be a great state once we finished building the roads
I think the issue here is that you live in Perth
Nothing else to do so he's literally seething at a road
Time to take up meth like the rest of us
City skylines doesn't even allow you to build a normal city (a european city) you only get to build american abominations. And to make it work they have to make all kinds of sacrifices to realism.
You wouldn't have 80% traffic flow if people actually had to park their cars.
Ok, but why are we emulating this is in real life now?
Thoughts on Diverging Diamond Interchange?
tamiya track looking mfs
What the frick. Why?
The purpose of it is to save money so you don't have to build a bunch of ramps and overpasses
some say it's even more seamless and you don't even notice it despite it looking like a mess
>some say it's even more seamless and you don't even notice it despite it looking like a mess
It's not confusing to follow or anything. It's just the roads have to cross which is generally a thing you want to avoid and especially on highways and the like.
Is it specifically designed to slow traffic or something? Why not just put down some speed bumps?
Did they really make a highway's oncoming traffic criss-cross twice just to let both directions of traffic use the same on/off ramps? The frick were these idiots smoking? I drive around PA and the random 60/70 MPH zone traffic lights around here make my head hurt less.
Pointless.
I prefer the overpass interchanges with ONE set of lights.
Why we design these things with more than one set of lights or a complex spaghetti or a terrible roundabout is beyond me.
Keep. It. Simple. Baka-senpai.
why tf didnt they just make a little overpass so they dont have to cross paths?
Unlike your logical European traffic circles, a True American roundabout determines Right of Way through the ONLY defensible method: Pure Will-to-Power.
My little town may not have the biggest traffic circle, but it punches above its weight for pure chaos.
Holy shit I can see the Cities Skylines road guidelines
>yeah bro i need this thing 6x my size to drive 5 minutes to the supermarket
god i hate car Black folk
No you dont get it, being a slave to big gas, dealerships, mechanics, part makers, insurance companies and the goverment is FREEDOM
The nearest grocery store is 17 miles from my house.
ever thought why
No. Because I don't live in a city. Imagine not having land.
we're talking about cities here you fricking dimwit
Exactly. I need to be able to get around your homosexual city if I have to visit for some ungodly reason. You expect me to take public transportation with the darks? Get real.
>public transport in America is for the poor only because you're married to your car
>that means it's an immutable aspect of subways that they're for the poor
I love mutt logic
public transport is for the poor in the uk as well outside of london, would I frick get on a bus with some dribbling junkie or some geriatric that reeks of piss
The reality is that poor are an immutable aspect of public transport. Societal refuse gets to ride public transport for free thanks to the dole. The reason Americans like cars is because we don't have to sit next to a crackhead in our car. If reprobates and scum wasn't a feature of public transport I wouldn't have a problem with it.
>I like cars so I don't have to witness the failures of my goverment and nation
It's start to look more and more like American car culture is an actual conspiracy propagated by the American elite to line the pockets of car manufactures and big oil while also socially isolating american's and making it harder for them to notice the failure of their system of government.
Pro-tip: If the average citizen does everything in their power to avoid public spaces then there is something wrong with the nation they belong to.
Because I don't want to live in Kowloon and have feces contaminate my food while I catch the bubonic plague?
Yeah guess what, big oil is actually a reaction to sanitation concerns. A lot of town planning in some cities around the 50s particularly address the concerns around "density and disease" back then.
People take it for granted now.. well they did until 2020.
My CBD is fricking dead now. People are in exodus to suburbs again. The reason is simple, disease.
This spacing density issue will probably cause wars very soon too, especially when algorithms begin to make assessments on the safety of town planning.
>instead of proper sanitation and restricting industrial zones ameritards will restrict human beings and where they can live
you are one dumb motherfricker
>he thinks he has a choice
I'm aware of how terrifying that future is anon. We actually agree.
Disease burden is probably going to become a casus belli very soon.
yeah I'm sure the several hundred year old european cities are just about to collapse and start intergalactic wars soon enough, anon
I don't think you understand how bad our administrative and algorithmic issue is now anon. It's more our reliance on the tool, rather than the tool itself being the issue. Because in this bureaucratic nightmare we live in now, strange abominations of diplomatic choice now happen. It's universal in all states right now. It's why everything is so fricked up right now and probably why covid happened.
I mean, yeah, I agree on that
What irks me is all the people defending it and denying that an alternative could exist
The nearest grocery store from my house is like 50 meters away, and there are 2 of them. And the nearest supermarket is 150 meters away, although I usually got to the one that is a block away because it's better. There is probably over 20 grocery stores in a kilometer radius around me. This is fricking weird.
Burgerland is enormous anon
You fricking c**t, I'm Russian. Do not tell me about size.
most of your country is desolate wasteland and the population is concentrated in the west you alcoholic piece of shit
Same as the US, then, except for which edge the population's concentrated on
I know, but this goes to show that just because you have massive amounts of land doesn't mean that you need to make your cities as sparse as possible. My country may be a shithole, but at least I can easily walk to almost every place I need to be in for comfortable day-to-day life since we don't have moronic zoning laws like US and Canada. I just wish we had bicycle lanes.
Absolute state
I mean it literally is. Take it from someone who doesnt even have a drivers licence and rides a bicycle most places; having a car would be 100x better. I'm envious as frick of my friends who have one. Still not willing to pay the exorbitant amount of money to get and run one though.
5 min drive vs a 45 minute walk in most parts of America
Our infrastructure is fricked all because boomer wanted to be their own beach boys song and drive their car everywhere
It's literally the only choice in 'murica. All amenities are just too far away from residential areas.
>I love my automobile™! I don't have to adhere to any schedules. I can drive-anywhere-when-I-want™! This is true freedom™!
'murcan's cannot identify the difference between positive and negative freedom.
I think you're looking at the distance as a conspiracy when in cases like
, it's more than likely they live in a rural area where standard commodities are obviously going to be long-distance trips because of how vast our farmlands are. In urban and sub-urban areas, you can find everything you'll typically need within a 15 mile radius (grocery stores, hospitals, schools, etc,) but the real issue there is that suburban areas (this is not a rule, just a noticeable pattern) don't have the type of work nearby that provides a livable wage, so most people do need to make a fairly longer commute in that instance.
Admittedly, public transpiration is our biggest weakness in this circumstance, but the conditions vary from one area to another. I just know in my case, I can ride a bike around 11-13 km in roughly 30 minutes while taking a bus that same distance takes about 2 hours because of how they're routes work.
No anon. It's that many suburban area's in America themselves are too far away from amenities. If you live in some suburb and you want to take a bike to the supermarket you'll have to spend 1 hour (total) just on the commute. Because the distance is so long. The simple timesink of this just don't make it worth it to use your bike. This also enables the American pattern of buying a week's worth of groceries which limits your capacity to buy healthier fresh produce which further discourages you from using your bike because you're probably unhealthy.
Where I live I will at most spend 20 minutes total to commute to the store. I can drive my bike there without it being a huge time sink, buy some fresh produce for the day, and cook something healthy.
The suburban structure is also just really, REALLY bad for kids who cannot go anywhere without someone driving them there. Limiting their freedom and development. This is also why American's get really anxious about the idea of their kids being alone to the point where letting your children bike to school themselves can have them taking in to custody. Unsupervised kids are unnatural to them and the media propagates this with fearmongering on drugs and kidnapping.
Why does Australia manage to avoid this in most of suburbia here? We're less dense than murrica too.
That's a sheer culture thing. I literally hate going to shopping centres and tend to buy from local grocers down the road because it's nicer.
I sincerely don't want to have a debate based around personal anecdotes, but I can look on a map right now and see 8 different grocery stores in a 10 mile radius with one of them being 1.4 miles away. Where I used to live, I had a 2 grocery stores less than a mile away that I went to usually 2 times weekly with a backpack and had no issues getting them home. I've moved at least 5 times in the last decade (hope that hints that I'm not well-off or living in nicer areas) and have never had an issue getting groceries without a car.
The obvious caveats here is that you feasibly can't grocery shop for a family on a bike, but I'd say most people shopping for themselves are able to do so pretty easily. I think it's mostly a matter of getting the initiative to do it because, admittedly, there is a bit of embarrassment involved in entering a grocery store covered in sweat (On average, it's a humid 30C where I live) along with filling up a backpack with groceries out in a parking lot .
As for the matter with kids in the suburbs, that's an entirely different conversation, but I'll say that your views on parents being anxious about their kids going out on their own was at least accurate in my case growing up before cellphones became the norm. My dad is one of the more paranoid individuals, but he had to know my exact location at all times with me coming home exactly when he told me to or I'd get punished. It didn't help that this is when the sex offender scare was running rampant and he checked online to see that there were a couple of them nearby, but the entire experience pushed me onto the internet and video games.
I appreciate that you focus on looking at the culture rather than damning "American people", but I needed to double down on my statement about most Americans having nearby access to their amenities* since there seems to be a common misconception around that.
Supermarkets aren't the only amenities, mind you. Parks, sports clubs, other kinds of shops, and schools are common examples of different amenities.
Where I live (In the Netherlands, close to the German border) all of these things are within a biking distance reasonable for kids who live in nearby residences (less then 5 KM).
Then again, it wasn't strange for the farmer's kids or kids from outside of town to cycle 15+ KM everyday on their own. And I'm talking 8-year-olds here.
Childhood independence is a huge factor in creating healthy adults. And the American cultural tendency to shelter their kids is a bad sign for the future of the nation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but homeschooling your kids is pretty socially acceptable in America right? It's not illegal here, but no normal parent homeschools their kids here. Only total loonies who think enforcing their loonie ideology on their kid is more important than social developments like making friends, learning how to deal with conflict, and solving problems on their own.
Not him but homeschooling is objectively better than public school in every measureable way. Test scores, college admittance and success, future salary, even social metrics. Public school is for poors. Private schools still underperform compared to homeschooling IRRC. It's really not surprising if you think about it; homeschooling you have 1-2 teachers for a handful or less of kids. Public it's 1:30-40. Even a really expensive and nice private is ~1:10. Homeschooling is just better.
God Americans are so fricking dumb
>Public school is for poors
Over here people will mock you if you go private (more college than school, people will still laugh at you but for different reasons)
If you can't perform well enough you just pay exorbitant amounts of money to get a degree that will be less prized than the same one given by a public institution, it's the pay to win option, my parents are can just pay for me to be a bum option
Only a europoor would get so assblasted over cultyres being different than his to ignore the point of the post. Ignore the private school thing than, and just focus on the fact that homeschooling is objectively better and your culture is probably holding the education of children back.
Homeschooling has its place in the states, where public schools are consistently underfunded and only teach to pass standardised tests, not to actually teach anything useful. In this environment, homeschooling makes perfect sense.
Meanwhile in parts of europe, teachers are respected and well funded, and require pedagogical degrees. Can't say this is true for all of europe, don't know enough about how the mediterranean states and slav parts do their thing.
It's not worth limiting your kid's potential friend pool.
Yes anon, I totally believe that two full time working parents that finished high school 20 years ago are gonna be the perfect educators
They're gonna have time to properly go over the usual curriculum, prepare lessons, follow on the progress of their children, teach them basics of physics/arts/history properly and with little to no biases and evaluate them fairly than a person that has studied and trained for that specific field for years and has some experience in it
Even if you want to go full trad and the wife stays at home, most people are not gonna be able to give their children a decent education
Sure, there's probably a decent amount that do get a better experience out of homeschooling, more so with children requiring more attention and special needs, specially now when classrooms keep getting packed with more children and schools are all over the board getting underfunded
But sure, say that it's for poors and totally disregard why something that should be working for you isn't working properly
Its for poors because it sucks if your parents are both working. It only os successful whrn at least onr is full yime educ a ting. Only rich can afford that.
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but homeschooling your kids is pretty socially acceptable in America right?
Prior to the pandemic, about 3% of students had been enrolled into homeschooling, but while I was in school during the 00's it was only probably around 1%. I feel the general consensus had been that parents who home-schooled their children were either overly-protective, or believed that schools would indoctrinate their children with liberal propaganda and/or neglect christian beliefs.
I suppose it's socially acceptable to a point where no one would try and stop someone if they wanted to, but I don't think the average parents looked at homeschooling as a good alternative.
I've only know 2 people who were home-schooled in my life. One of them is fairly intelligent but still lives with his parents nearing 30 with no ambitions or plans to move forward, while the other is barely on par with a 6th grader but graduated purely because her parents wanted her to graduate. Surprisingly, she moved out on her own, found a boyfriend, and has a day job now.
have fun carrying your groceries home on a bus you fricking loser
>american can not understand the concept of a walking distance grocery store
>extremely limited carrying capacity
wowee you sure showed me homosexual
this and a handfull of bags is all you need moron
>walking around like a hobo
Also police will probably stop you here because they might think it's theft of a trolley from a store.
imagine being such an insecure homosexual that you can't use your legs and walk around the corner to a grocery store with a granny cart because
>I might look homeless!
>The police might look at me funny!
if it makes you feel better, I've never seen a homeless person pushing this around. they usually use actual shopping carts from the store because this costs money. the people who use this are regular people of any age, size, or race. You can also use it to ferry laundry or other large packages around. It's very useful.
ngl bro, those look kinda dumb
we use these around here
>stairmaster wheels
oh man, I need an upgrade
The store is 2 minutes walking from my home. I have a small bag with me. Why would I need to buy in bulk when I can just go every 1 to 2 days for some small groceries?
>it's another episode of americans not understanding of how first world countries do their groceries
nah anon, I'd rather buy prepackaged and precooked shit filled with consevatives in bulk than fresh produce
Buying in bulk takes less time and is cheaper.
Also
>America
>not first world
Black person first world literally means America's side.
It's more convenient to do shopping whenever you feel like it. You can buy fresher, better ingredients and don't have to think 1 week ahead about what you want to cook and instead can just decide what you feel like eating tonight.
First world, second world and third world have different meanings nowadays. You're still stuck in the 90's with that mentality of yours. The usa does not qualify as a first world country anymore because it's too underdeveloped and poor compared to the first world
Not even America is on America's side anymore, thus America's not first world.
>he doesn't have several grocery stores, a bakery, fruit shop, fish shop, butcher's and pharmacy in a 5 mins walking radius
ishyggidiggy
also, cars aren't illegal
>american NEEDS his 4 gallons of soda, industrial crate of doritos, 10 pack of frozen pizza and 5 tubs of icecream
But you do when you need it to carry groceries.
God, I couldn't imagine needing to carry things from hardware stores on a scooter or on public transport or paying someone to deliver it.
What a hassle.
What are you hauling that won't fit in a backpack?
Planks of wood, refrigerators, bulk goods not large enough for a delivery?
God you yuros are as moronic as murricans.
Why am I stuck between dumb and dumber nowadays?
So many standards in my town are now made by you two and fricking asians in China/Japan/SEA. All of it is fricking garbage.
I bet this shit is why we have flood issues again from newly designed planning. I bet some frickwit in ISO or something designed our modern burbs.
Can we please just build a spaceship and get the frick away from this rock?
>carrying a fridge on your own
Ok Arnold
Maybe you just need to stop being a lazy c**t and lift.
>he hasn't seen a crack addict carry a fridge while riding a bike
yeah, I'm sure 90% of the population is buying fridges and industrial amounts of wood daily to justify making everything car centric
what's that, every store instead offering free delivery? frick off that's communism
where's my freedom to break my back hauling that shit myself
...not sure why you would haul that stuff often enough for it to be an issue, but yeah, big stuff like that is perfectly reasonable to use a car / van on. I use a rental van for stuff like that, while groceries and other smaller stuff goes in the backpack.
Do you like, swap fridges every week, or is this just a simple hyperbole about how walking to grocery store means cars are outlawed forever
Ok, peasant
>god i hate car Black folk
i have never seen a person with money say this, or ride a bike.
100% of the time its poors.
i mean, i kinda get it.
poor people are usually butthurt about people in cars passing them on the road, so the ass-hurt bike gays act like c**ts on the roads to make themselves feel better.
lmao yeah i know a dude like that.
has his gay 15,000$ bike in a garage and shows it off every time somebody comes in for a drink or something.
like whats even the point.
its a fricking bike, who cares?
people are so cringe sometimes.
>ride a bike.
Depends on country and culture. Up where I live, new rich like to show off their custom electric bikes instead of cars. Sure, most of them own a sports car or ten, but those are mostly garage queens that don't actually get driven anywhere and only exist to be shown to people actually visiting their house.
New rich are weird, man.
americans share an obsessions about cars that you don't find anywhere else ein the world, because industries worked long and hard to make you dependant on them, invluding your bullshit zoning laws.
americans are not obsessed about cars, anon, they simply could allow themselves to, logically, build their cities to accomodate cars, unlike most old europeans cities, that require some widening of the streets.
i see the propaganda worked on you
>propaganda
???????
Yeah, what get's me about modern European and Asian cities (even new "clusters" in Australia and NZ, though people hate them here) is how they literally plan new areas like a high density shitfest, even though we've known for centuries now (look up London East End's history) that high density new town planning is a bad design that will inevitably become a slum over time and will end up to spreading disease and crime.
That's why Paris is a fricking shithole now in areas both new and old now.
That's also why areas in LA which are higher in density are where the crime spots are and why cities like NYC, Chicago and Phili have such bad crime riddled areas - it's high density and the claustrophobic clusters of people lead to inevitable crime.
The people predicting that in the 40s and 50s when designing better towns were simply right on their assumption. Town planning in my city between 40s up to 80s is generally the better of the areas BUT FOR the random pockets of town flats they were forced to build in the post war era. Those flats are appalling slums btw and they have always been slums.
>only low income living places available
>crime appears for some reason
Might wanna look up socioeconomic factors, anon
I know that it sounds like a big scary word that kinda breaks your black and white view of the world but give it a try
It's always density related by sheer stats of likelihood because of a larger population being in that location causing the amount of criminals in that area to rise.
I wasn't talking per capita or proportionally, it's irrelevant.
Why people care about per capita for such things is beyond me. It's plain and simply, density is proportionate to crime.
Ah, instead I'll spread the population over every square inch of the country, then the criminals will simply be too far away for me to care
They will statistically be less in density. Exactly.
Which makes them easier to deal with in your neighbourhood because an attack becomes rarer, statistically.
It's not rocket science and the people stating otherwise are simply pushing it because they don't want to accept that our world is an overpopulated shithole bleeding to death.
At least Americans, like us Australians - which is a place btw that is already struggling from overpopulation based on water levels in some towns alone, accept that as fact about the world. Europeans are dreaming that it's somehow liveable when it's clearly fricking not. So are Asians. Wake the frick up. Your planet is a jar of flies.
>overpopulation
lol
lmao even
these "Europeans" you so love to strawman have been living like this for centuries
the reason high density does that is because the politicians keep importing Black folk who won't be accepted anywhere else.
look at places in asia, japan, china for example. they don't have any of these problems, despite having massive and high density cities, because they aren't any Black folk. in japan for example, they didn't have any problems until they allowed somalian Black folk to start opening bars and clubs, then crime in those areas shot up.
european cities, paris for example, had few problems with crime during the 1900s, and only when they started allowing muslims and Black folk in the place turned into a dump
i mean, the places in the world with the highest crime rates are in south america, the middle east, and africa.
>look at places in asia, japan, china for example. they don't have any of these problems, despite having massive and high density cities
Total crap.
Frick off with this horseshit. Crime is UNIVERSAL in dense places.
Apparently it's a fricking huge problem in dense parts of China and HK. If you believe otherwise, you're the one being influenced by propaganda. It's plain, simple and obvious from the nature of population density that a population density increase leads to a proportional density increase in criminals. To say otherwise is complete lunacy frankly. Yet I bet fricking China has fricked with your press to make you think that way, partially because it's indoctrinating it's own people to believe that crap.
Not that European think tanks are helping the situation there.
It's a pure fantasy to say that density is a positive thing in the post covid world. Just look at what areas did the best at stopping disease spread in lockdown - the least dense areas.
I know that because our area was largely free of it until our country opened borders for economic reasons (and because the whole thing was just a political device).
Dense = cheaper
Dense = cheaper
Dense = cheaper
Being poor is the first and foremost reason crime occurs no matter how into frenology you are
The classic leftist tactic of repitition to try to prove something is fact. Why is the Bay Area, one of the most expensive places to live on earth, both drnse and crime ridden?
Hmmmm let me think, something something homeless people and house prices doubling every couple years leaving only places with dirt poor conditions for people who already aren't well off
Not having a place to live in -> your life is practically over specially with how much they want to criminalize being homeless
Wow, so if dense areas can have housing double every year, it lloks like dense may not actually mean cheap? Ans your whole arguement was based off of an inaccurate assertion?
Yeah, people using housing as an asset instead of a basic human need will do that, it's totally the fault of the people that have been living there for ages and not companies coming in, speculating to the moon and blocking any attempt of creating more and affordable living spots and driving up prices (individuals sometimes do this since housing is often the only way they can build intergenerational wealth but that's another can of worms)
Why are the projects and public housing mostly apartments? Surely muh american dream single family home is cheaper!!
>Being poor is the first and foremost reason crime occurs no matter how into frenology you are
Is that why boarding house physical abuse occurs in prestigious schools far more than it would in a prestigious school without that?
You're kidding yourself. It's like any prison, the claustrophobia adds to the stress of the joint to the point where it actually increases prison violence. We are not sardines. We are men.
And we do not like cramped territory because it is literally instinctive. Society is a modern abomination that has forced such a lifestyle upon us because we had a scarcity of land, food, safe shelter and water. It is simply forced upon us by the density of our population on the globe and we have been overpopulated the very day we decided to form a society. Society itself is slavery.
oh look the amerifat has bad takes again
>Society itself is slavery
It's like we're talking about how we can cope with our annoying piece of shit state of affairs.
Just don't. Reject it.
Ted was fricking right.
Stagnation and regression is death. The only lifeforms that prospered from regressing and simplifying themselves are parasites. I'd rather humanity go extinct than to reject progress, even if the latter also means extinction.
>Stagnation and regression is death.
I agree with death. He is the most correct of all.
Pity that he is just a phantom, the greatest troll of the lot.
Yeah anon, I'm all of Europe is a shithole were everyone is depressed, suicidal and sick despite having every possible amenity 10 minutes from their home walking (worrying about gun attacks every day too, just like in prison!)
They lack the freedom of being isolated and having to spend hours commuting to do anything
I honestly don't think being poor is the foremost reason crime occurs. I'd say marginalization and culture are far bigger ones. Marginalization, because if you don't feel like you're part of the majority, it turns the majority into 'them', the enemy. Feeling like the majority owes them something is a powerful motivator to 'take back what is rightfully theirs', even if laws get broken in the process. This has been happening a lot where I live, where refugees from wars past have completely failed to integrate, are rather upset about the majority leaving them outside, and have formed their own refugee only gangs that the police don't know how to handle.
Culture because places like Russia exist, where corruption is part of the system, and everyone's expected to skim a little off the top.
After those two, yeah poverty's probably in the number three spot.
Marginalization would fall under the socioeconomic factors previously mentioned, but I still hold that how well off you are is still the main cause
I will continue to disagree, only because most criminals I can think of were already relatively well off before they turned to crime. This might be an issue with the data set being biased ('crimes this anon can think of off the top of his head' isn't exactly scientifically sound). I'm seeing lots of people using crime to swap a thing they already had into a shinier model, like getting a bigger TV or newer phone. Upgrading their stuff, not getting necessities.
...and now I realize being able to get "stuff they want" vs "stuff they need" probably counts as a socioeconomic cause. Frick.
>...and now I realize being able to get "stuff they want" vs "stuff they need" probably counts as a socioeconomic cause. Frick.
Even millionares want more anon.
We're talking about "crime infested slums" here and why high density is someitmes the way it is with crime
Those leeches are a different story
>covid
all people had to do was stay inside for a few weeks, and wear a mask if they went outside. also, how is walking past someone on a busy street going to create new covid cases? it's shit like meeting your friends and going to stores that creates it.
>area was largely free of it until our country opened borders for economic reasons
so you let in a load of foreigners and things went wrong? makes sense
>Apparently it's a fricking huge problem in dense parts of China and HK
i've seen maybe 1 or 2 pieces security camera footage of a chinese person randomly committing acts of violence. how many do you think i see of Black folk on daily basis? how many drive-bys and stabbings do you see in asia? sure, crime exists, but culturally violence is seen as a no-no, in china you're expected to cheat and lie to get ahead, but they don't have any interest in randomly attacking people while high on crack
>all people had to do was stay inside for a few weeks, and wear a mask if they went outside
Total crap again, China keeps going 1984 with their lockdowns and it's still failing over and over.
The only place that seems to have had success is, strangely a place posted earlier in this thread because I fricking live there - Perth.
We're only people, in the context of a city, that succeeded and that was literally in the town plan as a goal for why we lowered density here. Sure the traffic is shithouse, but this place is remarkably good at stopping disease. Doesn't help that none of the tests work... for a disease literally manifesting because society is a thing now and it forces us to cohabit with it.
I think the real solution to our problems in society is pretty simple - get rid of society, it is a parasite.
anon, its difficult to keep it under control when they keeps 'accidentally' leaking out of the lab every 5 minutes.
also the reason the tests don't work is because it's all china made crap. not even chinese trust their locally made stuff
Anon, predators exist because there is an ecosystem full stop, a closed in claustrophobic space for all life we are imprisoned in.
The core of the issue is actually far more ethereal than people think it is. It's an issue we've been dealing with since we first began to dream and imagine, when philosophy was established and we began to think about why our world is what it is.
Here's an example of the nature of the problem involved:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy
It's a problem of philosophy.
This the fundamental problem with town planning full stop. We're failing to realise the nihilistic reality of our society as a thing. We're failing to realise that we're never going to actually have a society that we're going to be satisfied with or one that will sustain a satisfiable amount of our goals individually, collectively, etc, etc. A society is a desperate coping mechanism to a desperate situation. All parts of the animal kingdom, from simple celled organisms to sardines to flocks of flamingos and humanity, suffer from the same form of space scarcity and the inevitable competition over space. It is at the fundamental core of all of our problems in our world. But it's also something we've grown to masochistically enjoy.... well most of us.
Some of us, however just cannot enjoy any part of their state of affairs in this world because it's just torture to them. An eternal struggle with no hope of salvation.
homie get your head out of the clouds
Overpopulation as you're proposing it is a sham
Capitalism is the limiting factor in your oh so feared overpopulation
All of this is fun, but if you keep up with futurism and what is possible in the future then you'll realize that society is the only way to paradise.
There is an unimaginable amount of space and resources out there in the solar system. All we have to do is make use of it.
>INB4 "space is a meme!!!"
It's not. This is cope. We all love thinking of excuses why the future won't be great to help us cope with the fact that we're born in a time that sucks in comparison.
I'm with you anon. People are so caught up in the doomsday cult mindset while we've figured out how to transmit data using quantum mechanics and reverse aging. Hell, just recently, we found an affordable means to reverse climate change and if there was a social push for it, we could probably make it happen within the next few years. Guess we can't do anything about anything since the headlines all say so.
>doomsday cult mindset
Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like nearly everyone wants the world to end. Either literally or subconsciously.
Having the world end with nothing you can do about it is certainly a lot easier than actually solving any problems.
No Aryan wants things to end, we know our people are capable of great things. The doomsday mentality is planned and indoctrinated by the enemy on purpose, to stop our peoples normally rapid advancement.
almost choked on my food
keep fighting the good fight fellow aryan brother
I don't want it to end, I just want to kill you and have me live.
I'm tired of your shit anon.
I want all of the tendies, ALL OF THEM.
If giving you my tendies makes you more happy than it makes me sad, you should get them anon. I hope you're having a great day
>If giving you my tendies makes you more happy than it makes me sad, you should get them anon.
I'd nibble your tendies if ya get me.
We'll call it a date then.
>Frick off with this horseshit. Crime is UNIVERSAL in dense places.
Yeah, and yet you have things like Tokyo and things like Rio de Janeiro.
"Oh, but see, it's the same thing, they both have a crime problem, right? It's the same... It's a universal problem, believe me!"
I think you are fricking moronic.
No, it's still proportionally bad in both, regardless or race.
Race is more of a variance in gradient to the situation, but it's irrelevant to the global trend which is universal to to all pockets of the planet with all races. You're not thinking about what I'm saying anon.
Sure a dense black area will be worse than a dense white area, but regardless a dense white area will be worse than a less dense white area.
That's what I'm saying.
Maybe you come from a dense area yourself, you seem pretty dense.
your whole argument is that there's more people in dense areas homie the frick you talking about
That's exactly what I'm saying and I'm saying "that's only important aspect to look at here".
Density is the killer of harmonious societies. We call them social behavioural sinks.
But on top of this, there are relative disease issues involved with density too.
Plus, a lack of density may install naivety in many communities from shear isolation. That is why Ganker is so heinously aggressive to each other and outsiders, while most other social forums, which isolate themselves far more, are far more harmonious.
Which is why I think Mad Max Thunderdome really perfected urban design. It's just the most aesthetically pleasing and aware of it's insane abomination of an existence.
>white area
>black area
>talking about frickhuge megalopolises
Is this what being an American is like?
>take car to supermarket
>only have to go once a week
lmao bikeBlack folk
>walk 3 minutes to local grocery store
>get some fresh ingredients
>brisk walk back home and make a healthy meal
>save money because you didn't shell out $6000 for a car, another few thousand for insurance, and didn't have to burn $10 in fuel getting there
>didn't have to spend 15 minutes driving in circles to find a spot in the mile wide mega parking plex
>didn't have to sit in traffic for another 20 minutes in the hot sun
>didn't have to stop for gas and spend $70 for half a tank
>didn't have to try and awkwardly drive around all the cars parked on the street
>somehow gain weight doing all of this
You're eating too much you greedy c**t
actually it's the 4 pack of monster i demolish in a single night
>somehow gain weight doing all of this
ah, you forgot the mandatory McD stop on the way to the shop. After all, it is an hour long journey, people get hungry/thirsty.
>go to the local shop
>eating fresh, at most 2 days old food
lmao muts
>Roundabouts, hyper efficient tools assuming there's a good equilibrium between size and number of exits
>Communism
Since when has Communism ever been efficient at anything but mass murder?
this city looks like shit and it's small. you fricking suck kid.
I like to build city, I am not good at design, but city grow and make me happy
thanks city
I hate cities.
Burn them all.
why is trumpet in shit tier?
First ones in god and mid tier are the ones I see in Spain almost exclusively
>roundabouts proven time and again to be better
>americans can't into different things even if they're improvements
>get angry
>insult the rest of the world
>proven to increase accident rate
>proven to be absolute shit at any speed above parking lot tier
>proven to be extremely limited in terms of space and geography
When they succeed they're great, but they're really niche. Europoors think they can go everywhere because they have no concept of size. Americans know they'd be shit becuase they're too big for cities and too slow for anywhere else.
no
>proven to increase accident rate
Wrong, they decrease accidents
to be absolute shit at any speed above parking lot tier
??? It's faster than stopping and waiting at a traffic light
to be extremely limited in terms of space and geography
Wrong again they don't take up that much space and with proper urban planning in which america is lacking in this wouldn't even be an issue
>They're too big for cities and too slow for anywhere else.
As if Europe doesn't have cities. European cities have used them for decades and they decreased the amount of accidents. They're not faster than waiting for traffic lights so you're also wrong on that. Everything you said is made up. Roundabouts have proven themselves countless of times to be better but you amerimutts are too stupid to understand simple things.
Your country is decades behind first world countries. At this point the usa isn't even a first world country anymore
See
If you can't look up basic things like the definition of first world country don't bother.
Source of roundabouts increasing accidents? Because all sources I have seen so far claim they decrease accidents
Literally first result for 'roundabout accident rate'
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-03/roundabouts-increase-certain-kinds-of-auto-crashes
>Past monitoring of 30 of the state’s 300-plus roundabouts revealed these particular intersections, which used to be traffic-signal controlled, experienced a 38 percent drop in car deaths and injuries. At the same time the total number of crashes jumped 12 percent.
Severity is down, but small accidents are up. That's not a bad thing, anon.
Also
>Between 30 to 50 percent of accidents at single-lane roundabouts around the U.S. have involved lone vehicles.
The problem is Americans
>Severity is down, but small accidents are up. That's not a bad thing, anon.
That's subjective moron.
Would you rather be shot by a rifle once or a handgun twice? There's not a correct answer.
the 38% of reduction is of deaths and injuries
the accidents that still happen are minor and just result in vehicle damages
>still can't google what subjective means
>deaths/injuries vs (mostly minor) material damages is a subjective and hard choice for the amerimutt
Yes, obviously. I'm a good driver therefore I am not going to get into an injury-causing accident anyway, so the reduction there does not benefit me. Respectively, the increase in total number of accidents means more slowdowns, which does affect me even if I'm not directly involved.
>I'm a good driver
You're American, no you aren't
>gets T boned
wtf bros I was driving properly???
If you were a good driver then you'd realise you have near-zero control over whether you get into a fatal accident.
>less injuries/deaths being a good thing is subjective
You know what, I agree with you here, it is subjective, every amerishart that dies on the road makes the world a slightly better place.
We need to build less roundabouts in America so we can pump up those numbers and kill more sharts
American moral dilemmas are hilarious.
>38% drop in car deaths AND injuries
People are being injured LESS, even with more crashes, mutt
>muh guns
>data from NA roundabouts
Still, 38 percent drop in car deaths and injuries over 12 percent more minor accidents, sounds like a win
>12% more people slightly hitting each other's bumper because Muttmericans get confused
>38% less AAAAAAAAAAAH I CAN MAKE THE GREEN LIGHT IF I HURRY
Roundabouts are based
It's not even bumper hits, it's lone vehicle accidents that rose. Meaning no car-on-car violence, just cars not staying on the road.
More proof, as if any more was needed, that Amerisharts cannot drive
>Meaning no car-on-car violence, just cars not staying on the road
kek, so they don't know the roundabout sign and think it's just a corner coming up
Can I change the time in this game? I can't see shit at night and it's fricking up my squares
Only with mods, like Ultimate Eyecandy
Check the settings, you can visually turn off night time
All the roundabout shills will tell you they decrease injuries. What they don't say is that they increase accidents. You just get hurt less because everyone is going so damn slow.
Why are americans so fricking stupid
Absolute subhumans holy shit
I fricking hate successive roundabouts, changed jobs and the fastest way to work is across a bypass littered with seven of them. Roundabouts absolutely ass rape your fuel efficiency. I went from averaging 54mpg to 40mpg in the span of a year. That car was averaging 54mpg for five years. That's how much it fricked my mpg.
I once installed a mod that made all housing have realistic amounts of people in them, so skyscrapers would house hundreds of families
Traffic pretty much died immediately
>realistic population
>lifestyle rebalance revisited
absolutely essential, among a load of other mods
Did the mod also make them eat the bugs?
Traffic is just universal without proper management of density.
And the only density that truly functions right is the lowest of low densities - rural density.
And most of us can't stand rural density, it's boring.
>average traffic flow 80%
>the 3 connectors at a flow of sub20%
>op doesnt realize his average gets inflated by all the unused roads
>op is moronic
the point of a roundabout is to make sure the knots within your infrastructure still flow
your city is built like a clogged artery
my local big roundabout
still makes people shit themselves who are not from town, no idea why, just follow the signs
That exit to the parking area looks stupid
That's not a roundabout. It's just a road.
you're just a road
this one is so big you have enough time to react. even if u fricked up and you have to drive a 2ed round no one will notice it. because how big it is.
My mum will only ever attempt this roundabout if I happen to be in the car and telling her explicitly what lane to be in and what to do.
>5 way nested roundabout
For me? It's seeing Americans play Cities and they put traffic lights on fricking highways
also, unlocking subway before trains
haha
KFC KFC KFC
Roundabouts work because they make you slow down. That's it, that's the entire magic of it
You slow down and actually look what the other drivers are doing so you don't crash into them at 40mph
Stop, you'll scare the Americlaps
Same concept as shared spaces. It works for a city planner in their cuck office but people who interact with them hate them and it drives people away from your city.
>
just add one more lane bro
imagine how much flow you'll have with one more lane
Why do americans defend their shitty lifestyles? It's like they want to be underdeveloped
Ganker - Urban Planning General
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>i have no argument therefore i must seethe about trannies
Americans are such slaves to their cars and oil companies they do not understand the concept of walking anymore
And then everyone clapped
you guys remember the scam elon musk pulled in las vegas? the las vegas loop replaces a short walk. americans will do everything in their power to not walk or use public transport.
r/thathappened
>Proceeds to get culturally enriched on the subway
lmao
In actual first world countries this is not an issue because everyone is civilized
morons won't realize that a working public transit system helps with "Black folk" and " culturally enriched" people
Yes in actual first world countries there are no niggs
Problem is Black folk
>Oh no! I have to sit next to someone with a different skin color than mine!
I really can't imagine being American. I just can't imagine it. Does it make you wince in pain to interact with people? Do you feel attacked when a small group of Black folk are talking to each other? Just sit the frick down.
Anon you don't understand. I have no issue with skin color. I have an issue with Black folk acting like wild packs of dogs and harassing you nonstop. There's a difference between blacks and Black folk. Black person is a way of life most blacks unfortunately succumb to.
Just let them go bakc
That last panel is much better.
so dead and cremated is the obvious solution as it takes the least amount of space to transport in that form, but now a question remains how do we revive them once they reach their destination?
That's out of scope. We're here to improve traffic flow, managing workforce doesn't belong to our department.
Wise words, I'll close the ticket now with "won't solve" status.
simply add water. would be about as useful for society as a non-cremated office wagie anyway
Look at that disgusting paki at the front of the "bus" manspreading all over the place!
I agree, frick development.
Return to monke.
There's a fricking intersection in my city that is a 2 lane road both ways intersecting with another one. All fine until you realize instead of a light they have stop signs for everyone. And to top it off it's right at a big shopping center. Fricking Santa Fe
>tiny low density city
>oh look how smart I am guys, no traffic problems
moron
Actually, he's smart because frick high density areas.
They are cancerous shitholes. All they do is allow less people to control the land that others are forced to pay rent or leases on.
They are not only a debt trap, they are a social and environmental nightmare worse than suburbia.
Grid is souless
The soul is inside those homes. Something that is lacking in the homes of high density areas because they focus on big buildings.
Show me 1 essay about roundabouts Black person
Holy shit what the frick, i kneel.
cities is not a traffic flow simulator, it just looks like one. you can't build good roundabouts in vanilla becasue the code doesn't handle them right and treats them as 4 close intersections instead.
I agree, the more I played it, the more I realised that it's just a game, not a real simulator.
It's like Factorio with production. There's no ambiguous and humanistic instructional ability in the game. It's purely flow orientated and it's not even a realistic flow.
We really have not developed the AI in these things well. At the moment they are pure machines, when in reality they should be behaving more and more like people.
um sweaty, I said 1 (one)
Try again when you have an argument.
Because we live in the modern information age where everyone can watch a small crash course on a subject and come out with a solid basic understanding of the subject.
College and schools are slowly becoming obsolete. Random Black folk on youtube are better at explaining shit than teachers.
>you will constantly tax yourself on a cramped space made to remind you that you are a slave to the system while you get pissed on by a hobo and your wallet nicked
Anon, both are shit. Society is shit.
Let's just all agree on this one aspect - frick society.
>you will NOT see and talk to other people
this upside is the very reason I either drive a car or cycle, never anything else. for every single public transportation trip i have, there's always at least one person in there who is smelly, loud, drunk, or bothersome in any other way. i'm gonna walk out right now and personally thank my car for keeping me away from the revolting shitshow of public transportation
>cars are bad because the maffia government will keep hassling you
This post only convinced me that politicians should be all hanged
>Build my home town of 10.000
>Get traffic of a city of 250.000
I hate this game.
You need mods, anon, the base game is trash
Got any recommendations, buddy?
TMPE
Realistic Population 2
Improved Public Transport
Imports and Exports CEO
Roundabout Builder
Precision Engineering
Lifestyle Rebalance Revisited
Bulldoze It
These make it more functional, I'm sure there's some others which anons will recommend
what a shit street design.
*puts traffic lights at the entrances/exits of your roundabout*
nuthin personnell
this is basically how my town is except 2 of the 3 bridges are far out of town
How the frick do you do the early game in this?
I always run out of money if I don't somehow accidentally make the perfect early setup.
Either I build too small and can't keep up with maintenance costs or I build too big and can't finish the early city and then can't keep up with maintenance costs.
bump
Keep costs low. Use gravel roads, don't build roads you don't need right now, provide bare minimum of services. Once money starts flowing in, you'll quickly be in a situation where you can afford to plop down roads for stuff you'll maybe build much later, but at the very start roads alone can kill your budget.
do you play with traffic manager and have despawing disabled?
It's fricking aggrevating. Nobody bothers with proper research anymore.
As opposed to random frickers doing extensive roundabout researchs in libraries 50 years ago ?
posting some kino roundabout
>building stuff inside the roundabout
shiggy diggy
>Exit my house
>Walk down my sidewalk
>Get into my car
>Drive in my personal space to the store
>Take the road I want
>Drive it at my pace
>Buy as much shit as I want that can fit into my car
>Load it up myself and drive back home
>When my car breaks down I can fix it in my garage
The amount of people pissing themselves ITT about owning something is astounding
And how much does all that that cost you? Money and time.
Now imagine you have a store close by that you can just walk there in the same time that you would've needed to drive in your example.
And if you didn't want to walk, you could take a bus for half the time and even less money.
>Money & Time
I spend maybe on average 1-2k a year on vehicles not including gas. I also enjoy working on them as a hobby. I buy rustbuckets and drive them into the ground because Pennsylvania uses brine to salt the roads. Mass transit via bus is also complete ass. Depending on the route what would be a 15 minute drive is a 1 hour ride.
>Like I'd live anywhere with an HOA, they could suck the detached muffler of my rusted out Hyundai
>Philadelphia, Pittsburg, Harrisburg, State College, Washington DC... Every American city I've been to has had many parking options within a stone's throw of anything important when I god forbid had to actually go into one
>Not shooting the shit with small town police about your choice of firearms or the PSP's decision to switch from Glock to SIG after being pulled over for speeding
>Mass transit via bus is also complete ass. Depending on the route what would be a 15 minute drive is a 1 hour ride.
Yes, that's what I'm describing. Imagine it wasn't ass.
That's life for Europeans.
>Exit my house
>Glance nervously at the length of grass as it has been 48 hours since last trim and the HOA will evict me if it is not regulation length
>Get into my car
>Sigh knowing that I could walk for 5 minutes as the crow flies to get the few things I need but the city planning makes that take 3 hours due to roads and lack of pedestrian paths
>Drive at my pace
>Speed a little
>Shot by police
before i moved
>exit apartment
>get to sidewalk
>walk one (1) minute
>buy fresh stuff i want to eat today
>when i forget something i can just go again
now
>leave house
>take my bicycle
>ride 3 minutes
>buy fresh stuff i want to eat today
>when bicycle breaks i can easily repair it for a really low cost
i can not imagine living in american surburban hell you literally just get the worst of both rural and city living
>Muh negative freedomz!
No one limiting you isn't as valuable as having actual viable choices.
Roundabouts are fricking gay and only poofs use them. Simple as.
Simcity chads, wy@
to be fair, a normal car would buckle under the weight of the groceries an average american buys each week
that's why they all need trucks
are roundabouts a commie thing? when did it become a commie thing?
>that size city
>struggling with traffic already
anon.. I....
>also shitty skylines: everyone drives but there are no parking lots
>watch CPP
>90% of his videos are him designing parking lots
Feels bad man
I thought the river was a giant multi-lane road at first.
i hate this game
I've just played so much of this game and sim city that I've finally grown tired of building things in life simulators... or even life in general.
That is commie city planning though. Every single block is same size, facing the same way, the roads are a symmetric grid. Literally the most israeli city I have ever seen.
>you don't understand... my town HAS to be inefficient
Yes. A city should prioritize aesthetics over efficiency, you soulless bugman. All the antiquity, medieval and renaissance era buildings and streets of Europe are beautiful because the people believed that seeing wondrous architecture and infrastructure is food for the soul. That you will consistently be happier if you live in a beautiful place rather than an ugly one.
"muh efficient city design" is peak israelitery. We must be efficient for the soul and mind well being first, not for money.
Black person you're talking about to entirely different things here. Street/road patterns have nothing to do with the architecture.
>Street/road patterns have nothing to do with the architecture.
Depends, if you design what we would normally call "grid architecture" and do it for the context of street plans - is that therefore "street architecture"?
I think you're misunderstanding the term "architecture", anon. We use architecture as a phrase in many things, such as computer architecture, social architecture, etc, etc.
It's quite a vague term really.
homie we're talking about houses what kinda architecture do you think is being used here
I literally said infrastructure too, you can't even read mutt
I live in europe Black person.
LMAO moron
>another episode of "amerilard tries to preach about europe"
this
>another episode of "amerilard tries to preach about europe"
Americans have to deal with this 100 billion times a day. One moron doing it back is more than deserved.
israeli claws typed these lies
>grid
>efficient
Give this guy a fake castle and a couple of gargoyles and he'll be happy
this man has never heard about the most famous american city, New York City
I mean if the argument is that the city in OP is israeli isn't new york the place with the highest proportion of israelites to goy outside israel?
i was more focused on >commie
seen a bunch of roundabouts driving through quebec
>tfw watching documentary about British people on the dole
>You can get the dole at fricking 19 for being sad essentially and they barely check in on you
>But you have to actually prove certain shit to go to a soup kitchen/food pantry
You bongs realize that's backwards, right?
>small town
>all the reddest parts are intersections
if only there was a solution to this.
>red parts have no cars waiting at them
Seems like the problem is already solved.
they literally do have cars waiting around. are you blind? traffic is visibly congested around those red parts. but more importantly the color indicates congestion over time. when you take a screenshot you may catch an intersection that's red even though it has no cars currently. that just means there's congestion there at other times.
Look at the highway to road part. Red intersections with no cars at them.
please learn to read ASAP.