>cool designs
>literally zero lore
The power plant being unfinished I can understand but we don't even know the habitat of these and they released the game?
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>cool designs. >literally zero lore
>cool designs
>literally zero lore
The power plant being unfinished I can understand but we don't even know the habitat of these and they released the game?
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>cool designs
Nah they look like shit
>must look like a godzilla nidoking knock-off otherwise it’s shit
Nah I think the sun moon guys look pretty good, and the scarlet violet ones are not bad either. I just think the deer and bird look bad
abysmal taste holy shit. xer and yve were literally the last cool-looking legendaries
They actually make a lot of sense. That Xerneas would be a deer with passive powers reflects the form of Arceus, also deer-like, and Yveltal reflects that of more egoistic mons like mandibuzz, corviknight and such. Theyre more of a plot thing rather than lore due to the lore in gen 6 being right away centered on Zygarde (and due to the pair not being a part of the same original monster like in gen 4, 5, 9)
It is possible that Zygarde created them, however, it's hard to say due to there not being a zygarde game.
Still they are way more relevant and important than gen 2's pair, arguably even more than gen 3's, due to Xerneas' power paired to Zygarde's generating megastones and powering the revival machine and Yveltal's powering the ultimate weapon
>Still they are way more relevant and important than gen 2's pair,
Lugia sure but Ho-Oh is literally the most lore-relevant to its game of all legendaries
>even more than gen 3's
lol
>due to Xerneas' power paired to Zygarde's generating megastones and powering the revival machine and Yveltal's powering the ultimate weapon
No, they each power both the revival machine and the ultimate weapon. They're completely interchangeable
>No, they each power both the revival machine and the ultimate weapon. They're completely interchangeable
Says who? That not only doesnt make any sense, what you see in game is them both powering the ultimate weapon, not the revival machine. Regardless, its just a split version necessity. In generations they do show Yveltal powering the weapon, but anyway its basic logic. The ultimate weapon turns pokemon into stone, thats something only yveltal does. contrarily, only xerneas could transform evolutionary stones into mega stones.
>Ho-Oh is literally the most lore-relevant to its game of all legendaries
? He burns out a tower supposedly and resuscitates 3 mons. That doesnt really represent anything, neither how it relates to gold or to a heart (its not even gold and it looks vicious). If anything, Lugia running away into the abyss makes him more relevant but regardless theyre the most irrelevant legendaries ever, barely surpassed by zacian and zamazenta only because theyre 2 random wolves given a godly powered armor
>Says who? That not only doesnt make any sense,
That's literally what happens in the game. Obviously it would make more sense for Xerneas to be the resurrector and Yveltal to be the weapon, but that's not actually what happens; the version mascot does both of them in each game. You can speculate about what they would have done in a theoretical Z version, but it's just that - speculation.
>? He burns out a tower supposedly and resuscitates 3 mons.
Play the game. Literally half of the dungeons in Johto are just temples made for Ho-Oh, half of the towns are full of people who straight-up worship Ho-Oh, all of the side areas like the ruins of alph tie back to Ho-Oh in some way.
>That doesnt really represent anything, neither how it relates to gold or to a heart
The names "HeartGold" and "SoulSilver" come from dialogue in Crystal, about how Ho-Oh will one day appear and confer its blessing upon a human pure of heart and soul. The very loose plot of Crystal and HGSS is that your character proves their purity of heart to either Suicune or the Kimono girls by completing each of the plotlines, so that you can summon Ho-Oh.
>You can speculate about what they would have done in a theoretical Z version,
Thats not even what Im doing. Its not speculation, its basic logic. The theme of the story is creation and destruction, that are the themes of the box legendaries. Split version nonsense doesnt change that theres a more relevant canon.
>Literally half of the dungeons in Johto are just temples made for Ho-Oh, half of the towns are full of people who straight-up worship Ho-Oh, all of the side areas like the ruins of alph tie back to Ho-Oh in some way.
this is straight up headcanon ive never even heard of. Theres a single tower dedicated to ho-oh and it barely even mentions him or has anything relevant to ho-oh. Alph ruins have absolutely nothing to do with ho-oh and unown, that are the most relevant pokemon in gen 2 have nothing to do with him. How is the bellsprout tower related to ho-oh? Lol
Nope, the first darkest day never saw eternatus awakening. His energy just bumped up to dynamax/gigantamax wild pokemon. Eternatus never woke up before Rose wakes him, in fact his egg thing was still closed and I dont think thats artificial anyway.
The wolves still dont make their own armor, theyre just given it.
Nope he turns the machine into the ultimate weapon, and he made himself immortal before it.
>he'll make up fanfiction about xerneas and yveltal but didn't even play the game
Nice out of context image, there’s also a fricking Kabuto one
>Of the legendary POKéMON, SUICUNE
is said to be the closest to HO-OH. I hear there may also be a link to POKéMON known as
UNOWN - The POKéMON UNOWN
must be sharing a cooperative bond with SUICUNE.
I never saw this. Is it a hackrom?
No it’s just a really useless sidequest
Anyway even if it were real this shit isnt lore.
Le old population worshipped le deity
Oh well
>Nope he turns the machine into the ultimate weapon, and he made himself immortal before it.
So it's the same device, he just modified it.
This could’ve been interesting if they finished it, with Zygarde controlling both sides of the coin. oh well lol.
Zygarde is already there because the crystals of the machine are pieces of zygarde
The most unclear thing is how AZ created it exactly and how did he change it, probably just the ratio area of influence. So when it gave immortality it pointed to a single creature
However Zygarde's perfect form has xerenas' blue on a side of wings and yveltal's red on the other. Wonder what was the idea with that
But ever since its been turned into a weapon it stayed a weapon.
Yeah, but it kept the same power source: the life force of the Pokemon buried in Geosenge Town, and of the box legends.
In other words, Yveltal powered the Ultimate Weapon even when it was a revival machine (in Y's timeline).
I dont think so I dont see the logic of that. And team flare takes energy from many spots of the region because theyre just desperate to power it up. They dont really know how the machine functions fully the way AZ did. Also in generations they call the ultimate weapon and genocidal of kalos "project Y'. It's definitely related to Yveltal and not Xerneas. The weird thing is that at first impact is when the megastones were created, but that could be excused with the fact that as seen from the plot the machine can retain previously acquired energy, so probably it still had energy from xerneas in it.
Or maybe the two legendaries are completely interchangeable because the Weapon is simply exploiting their shared connection to life force, thus explaining why they're necessary to focus the life force of the Pokemon at Geosenge.
You're going to a lot of trouble to avoid accepting that the game shows us they're interchangeable.
Nta or following this but in the manga or somewhere both mons are in the same place. Xerneas is a tree while Yvertal is a cocoon underneath the tree.
Maybe the nullified each other when they fought. It explains how theyd end up like that
>the literal temple built for ho-oh barely has anything relevant to ho-oh
what an embarrassing post, these games' stories are literally written for 5 year olds
in addition to this tile puzzle, there's also a special chamber that only opens up if you have ho-oh in your party, i think you get the sacred ash or smth there
there's nothing for poor lugia obviously
It makes more sense when you find out Lugia was a last minute addition.
>Nope, the first darkest day never saw eternatus awakening. His energy just bumped up to dynamax/gigantamax wild pokemon
What the frick are you talking about? The "Darkest Day" was quite literally Eternamax Eternatus, the mural in Hammerlocke made that abundantly office. And yes, the thing Eternatus was in was artifical.
Where the frick did you get the idea that the wolves didn't stop Eternatus? Seriously, I'm curious about this. The entire fricking climax of the game is predicated on the fact that they did so.
Zacian and Zamazenta get by on them being directly related to Eternatus by way of kicking it's ass all those years ago and stopping the Darkest Day, which permanently changed the landscape of Galar as we know it and ties into the main plot of the game (after all, if Eternatus wasn't subdued, Macro Cosmos wouldn't have been able to get it into the Power Plant and start experimenting on it).
>what you see in game is them both powering the ultimate weapon, not the revival machine. Regardless, its just a split version necessity
Aren't they the same device? AZ's immortality is a direct consequence of him using the weapon, and he did so in part to revive his Floette. The Ultimate Weapon seems equally capable of both giving and taking life.
>literally zero lore
I'm sorry you didn't pay attention to the game
>The power plant being unfinished
I'm sorry you didn't pay attention to the game
You didn't play the game.
Then why do I know the lore of them while OP doesn't?
Oh yeah I remember Zygarde's dex entry foreshadowed a war between these two like Groudon vs Kyogre but that never happened
is there anything that even canonically links xerneas and yveltal as a duo, besides the fact that their games are paired? im pretty sure yveltal is never even mentioned in X while xerneas is never mentioned in Y
Gen 2:
>In Gold and Silver, Ho-Oh is the main legendary while Lugia is a random dungeon boss
>Crystal adds a brief line of dialogue mentioning that Lugia once appeared at the Brass Tower, but Ho-Oh is just expanded even more
>In SoulSilver, the Ecruteak dancers want to summon Lugia instead of Ho-Oh... but this is completely out of place as their lore is still centered around Ho-Oh
Gen 3:
>In Ruby and Sapphire, there are brief mentions of Groudon and Kyogre fighting an unnamed rival to shape the land/sea
>In Emerald, Groudon and Kyogre fight each other at the climax of the game
>In ORAS, there are additional murals added depicting the battles between Groudon and Kyogre
Gen 4:
>In DP and BDSP, Dialga and Palkia are completely interchangeable in the story; the opposite version's mascot is only briefly mentioned when you unlock their Pokedex entry
>In Platinum and LA, Dialga and Palkia are summoned alongside each other but are still interchangable
Gen 5:
>In BW, Reshiram and Zekrom fight against each other at the climax of the game
>In BW2, either Reshiram or Zekrom is devoured by Kyurem while the opposing mascot is only mentioned in passing
Gen 6:
>In XY, Xerneas and Yveltal both revive Floette and power up the Ultimate Weapon; the version mascot wields powers that would seemingly match the other version's legendary, but the opposing legendary is never even mentioned.
Gen 7:
>In SM, the opposing opposing is only ever seen in a context-less cutscene that makes little sense and is never explained. The version mascot is referred to as the male/female evolution of Cosmog, and entering the wormhole causes all instances of "Sunne" and "Moone" to switch
>In USUM, the Ultra Recon Squad casually mentions having the opposing version's legendary the whole time. This is never elaborated on or mentioned again.
Gen 8:
>Zacian and Zamazenta only ever appear together, but are interchangeable.
Gen 9:
>The mascot legendary has no lore, and the opposing version's mascot is never mentioned.
The Gen 6 and Gen 9 legendaries aren't linked to each other at all in the lore, they just happen to be mascots of paired games
>>In USUM, the Ultra Recon Squad casually mentions having the opposing version's legendary the whole time. This is never elaborated on or mentioned again.
genuinely what the frick were they thinking
Cosmog line is only special by virtue of being from another dimension. Like Poipole, it's a route 1 shitmon in its home reality.
Solgaleo and Lunala possess the unique ability to open wormholes, and the entire plot of the game is contingent on them needing to find cosmog so that they can open a wormhole
Forgot Gen1 when Pokémon were genetic experiments and the legendary was a human created ultimate mon birthed from the progenitor
>Kanto
>urban japan
>obsessed with science and tech
>the legendary is a man-made superweapon that became self-aware and turned on its creators
>Johto
>rural japan
>obsessed with tradition and purity
>the legendary is a deity from the heavens above that's been worshipped for thousands of years
kino
Zygarde balancing them out links them. Zygarde appears when the ecosystem is broken, so too much destruction or life would sway it either way. The two mons are sides of the same coin like all the other legend pairs. Also Zygarde has both red and blue in his complete form indicating he may have originally absorbed the other legends or some shit before he was relegated to SM.
>Zygarde balancing them out links them.
This does not happen in the games, it's literally only in the anime
It’s in the dex entry that it can stop Xerneas or Yvertal and its ability does just that. It’s obviously dropped content.
It's painfully obvious what they were clearly going to do with Z / a followup game, and debating this is pedantry
Also the guy who missed every single Ho-Oh sidequest is the reason these games have unskippable cutscenes now
Really needed Z all the lore they have is barely their. It barely shows up with the AZ stuff and most of it was added in the next generation half assed though.
I feel like Xerneas and Yveltal should've been apart of Arceus' children along with Dialga, Palkia and Giratina. They're based on Life and Death. That should be a pretty big factor in the pokemon universe and yet, they're treated as just rare pokemon rather than important deities.
I think Life and Death are a lot less cosmic than Space and Time. They didn't shape the universe, they just help keep it running.
>lorelets
Xerneas and Yveltal are deities that control life, one gives, the other tales, and have been cycling between waking up to give/take life around them and sleeping for generations, and their powers are balanced out by Zygarde, who manages the equilibrium. They also serve as the representatives of evolution, what happens between life and death, that's why the energy they control activates megaevolution.
This also links them to the Hoenn legendaries, which feed on the same energy (see ORAS climax and the energy released creating megastones) and create the terrains. The combination of biotopes (the terrains) from Hoenn legends and biocenose (living beings) from Kalos legends makes the whole ecosystem, protected by the dragon serpents of earth and heaven. It's a neatly tied intergenerational relationship
Based and non braindead. Still they tell you shit about them on the games.