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plot holes, the game
name one
Naoto not setting up cameras to find out who kidnapped her? Haven't played for years but I'm sure they glossed over that detail.
To be fair I understand that she didn't think that far ahead. Even smart people can get hung up I'll be in right that they don't consider the possibility of what could happen afterwards. It even happened in Knives Out.
What is bullcrap is that he was able to Ambush her without her seeing him at least once when she was expecting him. How does that work.
That's not a plot hole that's just bad writing.
Bad writing is also why they never suspected Adachi in the first place, since IRL when a crime turns out with absolutely 0 evidence that is suspicious in and out of itself, so crime investigators are the first suspects.
These silly murder stories often operate under the assumption that detectives and every ranking of police force has about as much training as the highschoolers the protagonists usually are.
There's no evidence because people are being killed through magical bullshit not because someone is tampering with it. The only time Adachi actually messes with evidence is at the end of the game when you already know it's him
Ignoring the magic part, the police are just inherently trusted in Japanese society so one of them being the criminal is unthinkable to regular people
Cameras didn't exist yet in persona 4 universes. It's set in the past
>widescreen LCDs
>no cameras
I think that anon was joking, but he's also still right.
An unemployed high schooler of that time wouldn't be able to afford portable cameras. Especially not concealable ones. Cameras in 2008 were more bulky and expensive. Maybe she could have set up a camcorder, but then Namatame would have noticed it and either not done the kidnapping or just taken the camera.
Doesn't Naoto live with her grandpa, who's also a detective, in a huge house? You would think that a basic observation tool like a camera or two would be readily available. Or maybe even a simple tripwire or a McCallister-esque glue and feather trap.
And Namatame's so wrapped up in his delusions that he wouldn't give a shit if there was a camera, not if that meant a life would be saved.
That's not a plot hole, like the other anon said, it's just shitty writing. A real plot hole is the figure in the fog. You're led to believe that it's the "killer" but then you figure out, that its him, so then you're next logical guess is Adachi, but it's not him either, so who the frick is it? The only other choice would be the Gas operator from the beginning, but she doesn't care about the murders to begin with, so why would she be disappointed with the lack of a body?
It was Namatame. The "figure in the fog" never actually says anything specifically incriminating. All he does is seemingly verify for himself that something happened "again". It's just Namatame, verifying that the people he threw into the TV were "saved".
Not him, but that can't be the case because he already thought that the midnight channel was safe from the beginning. There'd be no reason for him to say "again?" if he wanted and expected it to happen.
It is unresolved to this day, since all 3 of the culprits contradict it. Izanami doesn't give a shit, Adachi wanted the "game" to happen as long as possible (So he wouldn't be surprised), and nametame already thought the Midnight channel was safe.
The "Again?" line especially doesn't make sense for Adachi, since he talks about how Naoto was safely rescued when he shows up at Dojima's house, potentially weeks before the deadline. He wouldn't say "Again?" when he already knew IT had rescued Naoto.
How is it not Adachi?
Adachi wants people to be thrown into the TV, so it would make no sense for him to be surprised about it.
Then again, adachi was always an unreliable narrator. All of his encounters what's the victims and Namtame came purely from his word.
I thought the man in the fog appears when someone is saved. So Adachi would be like "wtf why do they keep saving the victim"
That's not a plot hole because the figure doesn't affect the plot at all and isn't what leads them to finding out who the killer is. A plot hole would be like in Persona 3 where Ryoji somehow casually enrolls in a prestigious high school with no back ground or previous memories to anything before a couple days ago and it's never ever explained. And this is actually relevant to the plot because if he never magically enrolls then he doesn't give exposition about the events that lead to the game even happening
Shadows can warp reality.
he doesn't know he's a shadow, that's the issue. He never even questions why he doesn't have any prior memories or a background despite him not knowing what he is yet
He did it passively. He's the most powerful Shadow in existence, effectively a god. Being able to passively alter cognition seems like a thing he could do, even if he's not aware of it.
>Being able to passively alter cognition seems like a thing he could do
your just assumed that's something he could do but this is never explained in the game nor is it explained how he never managed to question his own identity despite not having any memories, not having a home, and not having a background
He doesn't need a home. Ryoji probably wasn't completely aware of what was going on with his own situation until Aigis confronted him.
Most of the stuff you're talking about isn't specifically important. If you hadn't noticed, Persona 3 glosses over a lot of details. The bulk of the information we ARE given is strictly "need to know". The details of Ryoji's situation just aren't important enough to the story to warrant explanation.
>The details of Ryoji's situation just aren't important enough to the story to warrant explanation
They are when Ryoji being unaware he is Nyx Avatar until December is a major plot point and what leads hims to explainthe end of the world to you. Without him being not knowing then he would never befriends SEES and never feels empatheticenough for him to tell them they only have one month left to live. Otherwise he'd just end it then and there. This would be like if Atlus never explained how Adachi or Akechi got to where they are in story
They're not. Listen, the details of what's going on with Ryoji outside of when we see him isn't all that important. Whether we know them or not, the end result is the same. How did Ryoji enroll in the school? Where does he live? None of these are particularly vital information to have, especially since even if he had a home it's not like they'd have had the budget to model it when it wouldn't be relevant for more than one scene at best.
There must be an explanation for everything, we just don't know what that explanation is.
We don't need to see his house that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking why didn't he notice these inconsistencies in his own life or why no one else did until his reveal?
>There must be an explanation for everything, we just don't know what that explanation is.
The explanation is Atlus didn't come up with one or forgot to. If there was some where in the game that explains it away as magic or some other bullshit then it would just be bad writing but there isn't anything at all and that makes it a plothole.
>I'm asking why didn't he notice these inconsistencies in his own life
Because he didn't notice them. He wasn't cognizant of the contradictions of his circumstances. When Junpei asked him where he went in previous school trips, he simply couldn't remember. He straight up subconsciously ignored anything that contradicted the idea that he was a normal teenager.
well in that case teddie working at junes is a plot hole
Working a part-time job as a teenager is very different to enrolling in a prestigious school
How do you get a job without a social security number? A major corporation would never hire someone without a proper W2, or whatever the frick Japan's equivalent is, being filed.
Teddie is not formally employed nor does he pay income tax.
Teddie worked under the table for Yosukes dad in exchange for room and board at their house after he gains his human form.
not even the same in the slightest, Teddie works at Junes so Yosuke can keep a close eye on him but you can have not work there and nothing changes
The real plot hole is why everyone acts like Ryoji is attractive when he's ugly as hell
But the person who kidnapped her isn't the culprit you moron.
The game was set in the mid 2000s anon cameras that were obscure weren't really widely available. Even our phones didn't really have video cameras only pictures.
I'm not sure that's the case, there is testimony that implies that people thought that those who were kidnapped were away from home when they were kidnapped. It was implied with Yukiko, but explicit with Kanji and Rise. Naoto could very easily have come to the conclusion that she would only be vulnerable when alone and outside, especially when the kidnapped individuals themselves don't remember anything. It's hard to gather any sort of forensic evidence when the means are supernatural, so shit testimony and her deductions to the nature of the midnight channel were literally all she had to go by.
This is another plot hole, actually. How did Naoto know about the "kidnappings" when most of them weren't reported as such, and all of them in my case lasted less than 24 hours?
Because she was working along Dojima and the police, that's why she's there at all
Why did Yukiko neglect mentioning the last fricking person the first victim was with? Why did they NEVER make a list of suspects until the very fricking end of the year????
>Why did Yukiko neglect mentioning the last fricking person the first victim was with?
how would she have known that
The very first thing that happens when you tell the rest of the team you suspect Adachi, she chimes in on how she saw him accompany the reporter to her room. THE VERY SAME NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED
all of these criticisms of the game assume that humans are infallible and always follow logic
But they're literally an Investigation Team and they have a professional detective in their squad.
They're highschoolers. Even Naoto is still a child.
And plus women are more emotional creatures than logical ones.
>And plus women are more emotional creatures than logical ones.
Shut the frick up
People forget that other people are not infallible creatures based only on logic. They also forget that the game reveals things only to the player and not to the rest of the characters.
It's completely true. Men stifle their emotions. Women don't. Humans are inherently emotional, but men try to follow logic more and their instincts less.
>but men try to follow logic more and their instincts less.
That's true for certain topics, but you've never heard of guys going with their "gut feeling"?
Yeah and I accounted for that. Men do still use instincts but they use logic more.
>woman starts getting hysterical, gets killed by her own folly
>woman acts like a b***h and gets killed
>woman laughs into a coma and gets kidnapped
>woman rushes ahead even though she's the least prepared and almost gets killed by her shadow
>woman denies being a bawd and almost gets everyone killed by her shadow
>woman throws a temper tantrum and almost gets killed by her shadow
But I'm not done yet!
>woman won't talk to her friend, attempts suicide
>woman rushes into a palace, gets kidnapped and almost killed/used as a sex slave
>woman throws a temper tantrum and ends up getting into an impossible debt
>woman won't just talk to the party and causes them to freak out over nothing
>woman is upset at living a lofty life where she is set (sorry haru doesn't get enough screen time for a shitpost)
>woman in power throws a temper tantrum and tries to implicate the party, gets the main character and her sister almost killed
>woman can't get over her sister's death and would rather impersonate her to cope for 99% of the game
>they were 15-18 years old, they didn't know better!
Really?
>humans are infallible perfect beings that are literally flesh robots and operate only using logic
>no one could ever forget crucial information
>no one could ever blunder and make a mistake
>they are plotholes, because I have perfect hindsight due to the fact it's a fictional world and I know all the story beats.
Okay, but they weren't little kids. By the time you reach maybe your mid-teens, age isn't really an excuse anymore. They may be (mostly) children under some legal sense but after a certain point you're expected to know better.
Them not being little kids doesn't make them infallible.
I agree, but that's still crucial information. I'm not the anon you were arguing with and I don't think it was a plot hole, but it could have been touched upon earlier!
Witnesses frequently forget crucial information constantly. I can tell that you've never done police work. Eye-witness testimonies aren't even completely reliable.
That's why the PubSec guy in strikers knows that the Phantom thieves can go into people's minds?
He doesn't. He had no idea what their methods were, his main theories were shit like drugs or hypnosis. When he sees the Cognitive World for the first time he thought was losing his mind.
>I can tell you've never done police work
Is this Dojima or Adachi?
Covering up your plot holes with "the characters are dumb" is shit writing
>But it's realistic
It's FICTION it's meant to be entertaining and awe-provoking. I'm not asking them to be perfect I'm asking the writers not to make a shitty story.
Persona 4's mystery hinges on characters not doing things they should be doing and conveniently forgetting vital pieces of information and thus withholding them from the player until the last minute.
Because she did know that, she was there. She just decided not to say anything until they already figured it out because she's a fricking moron. Like the fact that she died under his supposed watch is pretty suspicious, and she didn't bring it up even once, not even when the IT were basically scraping the bottom of the barrel for even any hints, like literally going around town and asking random people if they knew anything
God I hate the P4 cast so fricking much
The suspect could've been anyone for the majority of the game due to the magical nature of the case. It's only until you get the letter that the number of suspects dwindles to people you know
You are looking it too much from the perspectince of the nigh omniscient audience who know things (and recognize tropes) that the characters realistically wouldn't know.
It's not really crazy that a police officer would be around a famous (and disgraced) celebrity). It's alsohard to believe a police officer who is actively part of the murder case is actually the culprit.
Look, all we're saying is Yukiko should have layed out everything, and not taken it upon herself to decide what's relevant and what isn't, she doesn't even have to think he's the culprit or suspicious, that doesn't mean it isn't information worth knowing
She straight up didn't remember because she's a moron. It's not her fault she was born dumb. Please be patient with her, she has autism.
It's because the information wasn't really relevant until Yu and the others pursued it.
Remember they never thought Adachi did it until she said that. They only considered Adachi purely because there were no other leads. It was only then when they examined the information and put his behavior into context that they realized.
Besides, it was common knowledge that Adachi's was an escort.
It's more on Naoto for not requesting that information then it is on Yukiko for not listing every person that was at her Inn that night. Why would she even think to do that? Trained detective Naoto might have thought to check something like that. Though it would still be a longshot to expect to get a clue from a huge guest list.
The fact that she was supposed to being guarded when she was kidnapped is notable
Wait, guarded by who? She was off the case at the time and basically discarded by the Inaba Police, and the Investigation Team pretty much didn't know Naoto was going to get kidnapped until it already happened.
Was there some throwaway line about Naoto's family/butler guarding her that I missed?
I'm talking about Mayumi Yamano
What's the plot hole?
Read the image.
I did. I'm guessing the plothole is him mentioning personas? He mentioned it because Yu had mentioned that to Dojima (while adachi was in the room). It's what made Dojima storm out.
If not that then what?
is this something lost in translation? if I was Adachi I probably would of said the same thing too, were the others not marked as a missing person case?
Hm. I guess the image is made more for people who remember the big twist moment in better detail.
The plot hole is that the cast explain the entire events of their case thus far to that point to Adachi. Later on, the scene that Naoto is referring to happens, where they find a journal that includes people not investigated, which Adachi says that line. The problem is that they just spent time going over the case details with Adachi up to that point, so it would be perfectly understandable for him to take in the facts that were not mentioned publicly but just mentioned to him not even 30 minutes ago in the police station.
But the reason why Naoto thought he was a moron for saying that at the time was because the names WEREN'T there. He'd had no reason to say that even with the knowledge.
If Yameno, Saki, and Mitsuo, the actual murder victims who is the cause of the entire case in the first place, aren't in the notebook, then it would be moronic to say that.
>But the reason why Naoto thought he was a moron for saying that at the time was because the names WEREN'T there
Yeah, Naoto says that out loud. Considering that he just listened to their entire case up til now, he would be privileged to that information.
even if he weren't saying "welp that settles it" seems like a pretty general statement to make when you find conclusive evidence regardless of the actual details
Exactly. The plot hole was that Naoto questioned this at all, and it was used to catch him as a matter-of-fact.
He knows they're connected cause Naoto just explained and updated him on the case from their side, because the entire conversation taking place just before was regarding the non-victim involvements.
>it was used to catch him as a matter-of-fact
No it wasn't, him saying "threw them all in" is what finally tipped them off. What Naoto said was just to add on to that
>No it wasn't him saying "threw them all in" is what finally tipped them off.
It was. The scene leading up to him saying "threw them all in" happened after Naoto brings up the "evidence" in the picture.
>"threw them all in" is what finally tipped them off.
Which is actually another plothole that extends from that scene. Naoto and Yu both explain to Dojima AND Adachi the thing about Persona's and TVs. He would as a matter of course understand that the victims are thrown in the TV.
>The fact that the names weren't there is proof (from his perspective) that their story is BULLSHIT.
This only works if Naoto, during a lengthy explanation, somehow magically explains their theory about Nametame being the murderer, but also somehow does NOT mention that they believe he is not related to the original killings. Which doesn't fit anything, and Naoto would have no purpose at that point because Adachi does not become a suspect until the diner scene.
>i thought cops in japan would pretty much do whatever the frick they had to in order to get you to confess,
Yes.
>and that's why they have an almost 100% conviction rate over there
No. The prosocuter's office is understaffed, so they only take on cases that they believe have a 100% rate of conviction, so they just rarely miss and let a lot of potential criminals go.
holy shit japanese cops are pussies, no wonder everyone's getting molested
NTA but the police are not the DA's office, it's not the job of the cops to prosecute them.
That being said, I'm not a fan of the level to which the country is policed. It's a bit fascistic. And when I say that word, I mean that the nation is a pseudo (because I don't want to say it's outright one) police state whose law enforcement acts like it's still the Imperial Era in terms of conduct. It's safe but at the same time I would feel more comfortable around *gets shot* American cops than the Japanese police. No one (except the communists, which these days there aren't that many in Japan outside of the PTA) ever questions the authority of them or the state. They can stop people and demand to see papers at any time even if the person has done nothing to arouse suspicion. There's almost no accountability if they frick up because they'd rather sweep things under the rug and put an innocent man in prison than lose face.
A lot of it comes from the fact that when the US took over and occupied the country, it handed off to the japanese government the western legal system and said "ok use this" when Japan never had the history that the west did that made us adopt that legal system in the first place and were more used to a brutal top-down military dictatorship so they didn't really know what to do with it.
>be american
>get stopped by cop
>get shot
>be japanese
>get framed for bullshit crime
>be imprisoned for 10 years as to not make a fuss
>have future employment prospects ruined forever
>work at a lawson's or whatever because no other place will hire me
>shoot myself
what a cool world we live in
>but also somehow does NOT mention that they believe he is not related to the original killings. Which doesn't fit anything, and Naoto would have
At the time they still thought he did everything.
>The scene leading up to him saying "threw them all in" happened after Naoto brings up the "evidence" in the picture
No you're wrong, Adachi let's it slip about people getting thrown in the TV before Naoto mentions the thing Adachi says about the notebook
>Naoto and Yu both explain to Dojima AND Adachi the thing about Persona's and TVs
At no point during when Naoto is explaining what they know so far does she say they get thrown into the TV, only that they get kidnapped
>Adachi let's it slip about people getting thrown in the TV before Naoto mentions the thing Adachi says about the notebook
Yes, in THAT scene. In the scene at the POLICE STATION one or two MONTHS PRIOR, Naoto explains it to Adachi, and he says "Wuh huh? Persona? TVs?"
>At no point during when Naoto is explaining what they know so far does she say they get thrown into the TV, only that they get kidnapped
Dojima and Adachi both say the word "TV" in that conversation.
>Naoto explains it to Adachi
Yeah and in her explanation she doesn't mention anything about people being thrown into the TV world just that they get kidnapped. Adachi going "Wuh huh? Persona? TVs?" is before Naoto and the gang arrive hence why only Yu is there and Yu only explains to them how he and his friends go into the TV world and use their Personas, but again nothing about the kidnapped victims being thrown in
>Dojima and Adachi both say the word "TV" in that conversation
Yeah and Dojima still doesn't believe any of it while Adachi just admitted he believes they're being thrown in
>but again nothing about the kidnapped victims being thrown in
>Naoto: "Guys, Adachi is getting confused and is on our side. We also need to explain the situation to him. Let's give him an update on the case."
>The gang: "Yeah!"
>Naoto: "So we take our Personas and go into the TV world."
>Adachi: ". . .assuming you aren't batshit, why?"
>Naoto: "And that's the end of our explanation!"
Do you genuinely believe this is the conversation that took place? That's stupid to a point of a bad faith argument.
>Yeah and Dojima still doesn't believe any of it
Dojima would still need the explanation of the TV realm and why they go in there in the first place. The why is fundamental to any explanation.
>Dojima would still need the explanation of the TV realm and why they go in there in the first place
Yu explains it to him though, it happens when you get the letter and he takes you to the station. It is literally the scene before the image you posted
why didn't he just put his hand through the tv right there
he has enough alibis for him to not be a suspect
Probably because then he'd have to explain where he got said powers which he himself didn't know at the time which would them cause him to look even more suspicious
They do explain it, but at the time, Adachi was just acting confused by the info, as would someone that wasn't in on the supernatural ability. And this was only in relation to the kidnappings that no one could conclusively prove was connected to the murders.
When he stated "Namatame's the one who put them all in!", it's clear that not only he knew that the two murder victims were also thrown into the TV, he knew that it would kill them. This was him blurting it out in a moment of anger, like he knew all along what the method actually was.
>He knows they're connected cause Naoto just explained and updated him on the case from their side,
But the murder victims (and Mitsuo)'s names were MISSNG from the notebook! So either he just tuned her out or he already knew that Nametame couldn't be the killer because he was.
He literally saw evidence that contradicts their story by the murder victims (the entire reason why Dojima drove after the bastard) not being in the notebook. Yet he said nothing. The fact that the names weren't there is proof (from his perspective) that their story is BULLSHIT.
But the fact that the victims names aren't in the book means that even with the story, he'd have no reason to find him relevant. From his perspective, the two murder victims and the people who are thrown on the TV had just been confirmed to have nothing to do with each other. Only someone who knew that they were connected would say something like that.
What is the plot hole?
Agreed, why is the dude still wearing a suit? If he's getting visits he should be in an orange jumpsuit by now
>AHAHA Adachi remember when you KILLED those two women because they wouldn't put out for you
He was a shitty person that had already made up his mind about the world from a young age. Even when people showed him genuine kindness he was still convinced that they were against him in some way or only doing it for their own satisfaction.
But I only played the original P4. I heard that in the spin-offs and other material they tried to make him more sympathetic because of his popularity.
This. I mean I don’t get Adachi’s problem. He got a fancy job, yeah he’s not a millionaire CEO and yeah TV actors will reject him, but pretty much any normal woman would love to date a policeman. And they’re not rich, but I bet Adachi got good benefits, decent salary and a job for life and pension, and Adachi even made a mistake and still got to keep his job albeit move to a rural area. His hard work in school actually got him a decent job! Where I live there’s no civil service exam, it’s all friends and family into the government and police.
His entitlement was the problem. He had personality issues clearly. Definitely a lot of envy and anger that he projected onto women as the blame when they were just living their lives.
I don’t know why he thought being a cop of all things was his ticket to easy street. Yes, Japan is relatively peaceful compared to other countries but cops still have a lot of bullshit and red tape to deal with daily, especially in the big cities. It’s not really a job you can coast by on with no responsibilities.
Ironically, being transferred to the boonies should have been right up his alley since it would be even more peaceful there and require less responsibility. He ego was just hurt.
As a cop you do deal with criminals but at the end of the day being a cop gives you power and immunity. There are a lot of cops who think like Adachi, who literally are just not fit for the job but go after it because they power trip and it makes them look like a good member of the community like a firefighter
that can only be good on japen, most of the world cops are entering a fricked up job
He said he became a cop because he wanted to own a gun. I don't know how serious he is because I don't think the right to carry is worth the hassle of being a cop on its own.
Adachi finds everything in life a hassle though, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he chose the hassle of being a cop over the hassle of doing any other job simply because as a cop he could have a gun.
>mistake
>forgiven
His mistake was asking why his hard work promotion was give to newbie.
(newbie have better family)
They move him away because he made the higher born newbie feel bad
>But I only played the original P4. I heard that in the spin-offs and other material they tried to make him more sympathetic because of his popularity.
Kind of, but they didn't actually change anything about him, he's still what you say.
>He was a shitty person that had already made up his mind about the world from a young age. Even when people showed him genuine kindness he was still convinced that they were against him in some way or only doing it for their own satisfaction.
They just added more instances of him being like that shown in a sympathetic light, but he is still like that.
but he was right?
Dang better steal all the shit from Best Buy and tell l the cashier 2+2=4. They'd have to let me go after that.
But prostitutes offer themselves for free
They couldn't.
He does not have a shadow because he fully understand and accepts himself.
No, because he didn't want to change. The town presented many opportunities for him and he rejected them all, including Dojima.
>b-but Dojima yelled at him!
Because Adachi deserved it and he was half-assing it. If Adachi hadn't a loser's mentality he would've gotten over life fricking him over once (una vez) and learned to make the best out of it.
>You can't have a palace and a Persona. If you have a Persona that means you have a clear grasp on your desires and emotions, so it's impossible for them to be distorted.
>Frick Futuba, stupid shut in went into her own palace and awakened to her Persona! She could have gotten us all killed if she left before things calmed down!
>Maruki was the ruler of his palace and fought us with his Persona, and his persona evolved as we fought? He was different, ignore that!
Palaces only exist when the plot needs them, so no.
>Doubting the wisdom of CHADgana.
Pathetic, I bet you ship Joker with Akechi you pathetic cuck.
Pretty much every Persona game has Personas work in a completely different way than previous entries did, but somehow at the very least 3, 4, and 5 are all in the same universe.
The thing is it was inconsistent within 5.
>Yes
>She had distorted emotions, then awoke to her Persona. Shortly after, her palace collapsed
>Maruki is literally different and the game explains this to you like a 2 year-old
Congrats? You're a gay?
Maruki is different and the game explicitly points out that it's different and doesn't make sense, and it's because Maruki's persona is a reality-warping god.
"Futaba awakened her persona? Neat, now we don't have to fight that projection of her mother anymor-"
Adachi doing time is egregiously stupid. Easily the worst writing Atlus has ever done. He has no business confessing to doing shit and even if he DID it would not lead to him doing time because there's is absolutely no fricking evidence. It doesn't matter that Naoto is there,whatever she influence or power she has gets thrown out in court and a case against him is impossible
It's pure kid fantasy wank.
What part of "Scooby-Doo" you don't understand?
>it would not lead to him doing time because there's is absolutely no fricking evidence
This doesn't matter in Japan
They literally explain this in Ultimax
Unironically that just makes the writing fricking worse.
>A COP unironically presenting in their method for killing was throwing people into TVs
Like frick off I really absolutely hate Persona 4 and it's loony toon bullshit.
Adachi only became a cop because he wanted to own a gun. Hin being a cop is irrelevant. No one was ever able to find out what the cause of the victims' death were (because they died through magical means) so there was nothing else he could say
>Hin being a cop is irrelevant
Its completely relevant you're just thinking like a fricking 12 year old who has never worked a job. Being a cop means he has experience with what passes as acceptable testimony and leads to proper legal action. Even if he's never booked someone like that he's absolutely heard the logistics from his supervisors or other cops who have. It's a huge fricking social network.
> so there was nothing else he could say
He could say he poisoned them or or hypnotized them.
Way better than "HURR DURR I FRICKING THREW THEM INTO TVSSS" which is absolutely piss poor writing that ignores him as a character and makes him into a shitty set piece.
Not only does he not care about being a cop but he's a lazy one at that. He gets reprimanded by Dojima every time he's seen hanging out with Yu or doing some other bullshit instead of doing his job
>He could say he poisoned them or or hypnotized them
Would've end the same way where they don't have evidence to prosecute him in any meaningful way. He'd have to come up with some random story about where he got poison from or how he managed to slip in it into the victims but he just doesn't care anymore
>have high class job
>send to do lower class job
The moment he was send from city to rural area, he lost all of his motivation.
After all, what the point of working hard if another person will get thr rewards and get promoted?
He confessed, that's good enough for their legal system.
>Adachi only became a cop because he wanted to own a gun.
Why didn't he just move to America? Sounds a lot easier.
Probably would still be enough confession to send his ass to a loony bin while they still fruitlessly hunt for the bodies.
I thought the bodies ended up hanging on the telephone poles if they didn't get saved? Or did I just misconstrue that part of the plot entirely?
Nope, that's exactly what happened.
This is why Adachi would walk out of every courtroom
As silly as it is, don’t the others still retain their powers to enter the TV world at will. And it’s shown that even people without powers can interact with it as well.
So if it came down to it they would be able to demonstrate that it is indeed possible to enter the TV. Of course that would open another can of worms, but the evidence would be there.
>don’t the others still retain their powers to enter the TV world at will
They regain the use of their personas during the arena games when more gods start fricking with Inaba but other than that no.
>but other than that no.
The ending of P4 shows that the tv world continues to exist, so that's a yes, not a no
Only in Inaba though. Protagonist can't access the TV World once he leaves.
On paper, he SHOULD be able to summon his Persona World even outside of the TV World if he trains. I'm guessing it's just meditation or something.
I don't think training is a factor, SEES couldn't access their personas again until Arena and Akihiko does nothing BUT train.
No. It's mentioned that at least Mitsuru and Akihiko can summon their Personas without Evokers via training. It's just way fricking easier in the TV World. The ability to train to summon your Persona without an Evoker was established in P3 when Takaya did it.
Technically Fuuka does as well, like often she doesn't even use her evoker, she just puts her hands in that prayer-like position and then her persona comes out. I don't know why she's so special though since she's definitely not especially trained
She uses an Evoker the first time she does it, but the issue lies in the fact that she doesn't actually have any in-game animations for using an Evoker. They just never bothered giving her one. It's similar to how Rise doesn't have a card breaking animation.
Futaba doesn't have to rip off her mask either, I think it's just a navigator thing for them to be outliers
Thing with Futaba is that she's never actually shown summoning her Persona at all after her initial awakening. Futaba's Persona is always active in Mementos and Palaces; she's following you from inside her Persona from the sky. Thus the only times she's actually shown with her mask on are in cutscenes and safe areas. You can't actually see her most of the time during actual gameplay, and the few times you can see her, her Persona's already out.
Additionally, Fuuka, the protagonist and Aigis are the only three characters who summon their Personas in cutscenes.
No Akihiko says it's theoretically possible with enough training to summon without an evoker but he never says if he's able to do it himself
>persona 4 arena
he can do it with no evoker but uses the evoker for his strong skills
They don't let him near a TV at all until the events of Ultimax, so even if he can shove his hand inside a TV they're not going to let him
I just got to the part where Dojima gets pissed at Yu for "lying" about the TV world and drags him to the station. In both Dojima's living room and the police interrogation room, there's a TV. Why didn't Yu just stick his fricking hand in a TV??
>All those morons going HURRR IN THE REAL WORLD THE CASE WOULD BE THROWN OUT
>In a series with top secret government persona agencies
I'm just surprised that Adachi didn't conveniently die of suicide in jail.
Maybe they want to recruit him.
This, it's not even like Aigis is top secret or hid the fact that she's a robot well.
Jail is not prison. He's being held there so he doesn't skip town to avoid prosecution. He's not doing time. He's awaiting trial. And most likely he will get away with it because cops don't take shit to court in Japan if they're not 100% sure they'll get a conviction.
i thought cops in japan would pretty much do whatever the frick they had to in order to get you to confess, and that's why they have an almost 100% conviction rate over there
The cop who interrogated him beat him up a bit
Sometimes. It partially depends on how desperate they are to close the case from I can tell. Most of the time, they don't really pursue cases unless they can 100% guarantee victory. So some criminals get off scot free since there's not enough dirt on them. Seems to depend on the type of case.
Why would they change his heart when they have the same philosophy?
Do you think Adachi was raped in prison?
He didn't do anything wrong though.
Adachi now has a happy life working with Dojima, and every so often goes to eat dinner with Dojima and Nanako, acting as the cool uncle to Nanako. Dojima gives Adachi a cabbage every now and then to poke fun at him. Adachi never committed any murders. No need to thank me, just doing my job.
why doesn't he just give Adachi a gf?
He did, it's nanako.
Adachi probably would have told him to frick off
Would he, actually ? That's something I'd really want to see.
YOU BASTARD... HE *NEEDS* TO BE FILLED WITH DEPRESSING, HOMICIDAL/SUICIDAL THOUGHTS 24/7. IT'S FOR HIS OWN GOOD.
How worth is it to play Royal, back when it released I had no desire to replay the game. Frick Atlus and their stupud rereleases still
Unlike FES or 4 where you can give or take the improvements and changes made, Royal is just an objective upgrade to 5 in every way. Wait for the PC version I say.
Royal actually adds the only good dungeon in the game
When will Atlus let me kill the homosexual rivals of the protagonists in these games? God what I would give to have been able to have wrung Akechi’s neck.
Adachi's entire argument falls apart the second you realize that he didn't fail because of a lack of talent or bad luck, but because he's a huge butthole who inherently hates everyone and naturally pushes them away. Since he "made one little mistake and was sent out to the boonies" and regularly fricks around at Junes so he doesn't have to work, he's also most likely really bad at his job, which would follow since he's bad at making plans (literally becomes way more obviously evil after the cast has a hunch he might be so they can nail him), talking to women, or saving money (he only eats cabbage because it's all he can afford, but he's a fricking civil servant in Japan). It's only how fricking terrible the Investigation Team is at arguing against him that people buy into his bullshit. This is exactly what psychopaths do, they try to spin words and lies to justify their loose grip on reality.
It's as simple as this: he came onto a woman who was cheating on her husband, she rejected him, he got mad, he accidentally killed her. Then after finding out he can shove people into TVs, he tries to murder more people based solely on his own narrow-minded judgments simply because he could, and not get caught. Anyone that isn't a moron knows he's just talking fancy shit to try and excuse his behavior.
His argument has some grounds, but yes he was kind of an butthole who never really tried to connect with people even when they were coming up to him.
It's not like his situation was bad anyway. In fact, it was a pretty nice gig. Chill out in a comfy location where crime is very unlikely to happen so you are essentially getting paid some good cash to do nothing and are free to just chill.
>paid some good cash to do nothing
Don't backwater cops end up doing stupid crap like getting cats off the trees and such specifically because there's nothing to do?
Yeah if you're an incel who doesn't want to work it sounds like a dream job, but most people want something more in life.
careful anon, you'll anger Gankereddit
>he's also most likely really bad at his job
Do you want him to catch himself?
This.
The only thing the game really tells us about Adachi's life is that he fricked up once. Without knowing he's the killer, he does seem like a frick-up.
But also, the game tells us the opposite. He is NOT a frick-up. He got top grades in school and the academy. He only acts like it because he's investigating a crime he committed.
You can get good grades in school and still be a frickup in life, anon. Just like at most of the people on this fricking site.
That's moronic. Adachi tried hard and succeeded his entire life and then it all spiraled downhill from just one mistake.
You're a frick up because you have no direction in life.
Adachi only seems like a frick up because of this one mistake. You see him slacking off so you think that maybe he deserved it. But he's only slacking off to protect himself.
Tons of people graduate university with good marks, anon. That doesn't mean he's not a frickup when it comes to actual practical real life behaviour.
You're just repeating the same argument I already addressed. I'll accept your concession.
>Adachi tried hard and succeeded his entire life and then it all spiraled downhill from just one mistake.
So, even if that's true, it clearly doesn't shake him up much since he spends the entire game basically goofing off and doing as little actual police work as possible, which doesn't even make sense if he was doing it on purpose to disguise the murders, since a competent person would have tried to just appear as a normal detective and blend into the crowd, not a notorious slacker. It's obvious Adachi was a frickup before getting transfered out into the sticks and, rather than using that as a wakeup call to fix his attitude or just relax and make the most of things, he just complains and b***hes about it while keeping up the same shit that got him sent out to Inaba in the first place.
He's just a lazy misanthrope who just expects shit to "work out" for him, and gets buttmad when life puts out exactly the same kind of shit he puts in. People who take his speech at face value without understanding it comes from probably the most wrong and biased source in the game are morons.
>goofing off and doing as little actual police work as possible, which doesn't even make sense if he was doing it on purpose to disguise the murders, since a competent person would have tried to just appear as a normal detective and blend into the crowd, not a notorious slacker.
No one would suspect a goofy slacker to be someone who murdered 2 people.
Do you know what got him busted in the end? The fact that our loveable goofy slacker detective did a goofy slacker dipshit thing and created evidence that absolved Namatame and linked him to the murders. A competent detective, who didn't sleep through his forensics courses in university, upon writing that note would probably have said, "Wait, this has my handwriting, my prints, and my fricking DNA on it... I think I'll burn it and figure out a better way to keep Gray-Hair from investigating further."
The goofy slacker thing wasn't an act. It was just how Adachi was, and that fricked up his plans in the end; he couldn't even bother to organize a string of murders properly.
My guess is Adachi panicked a bit when he realized that Nanako was next and I guess that was a tiny bit too rich for even his blood.
I feel like your post is wasted here but he is indeed the kind of person that would whine about his lot in life but do absolutely nothing to try to change it in any way or even actively sabotage it, even more so if you factor in the extra materials from Golden and whatever else.
At the same time, I'd also consider that Adachi being bad at his job is simply him not wanting to expose himself since he did commit those murders after all. We don't exactly know what his one mistake either or if it can even be taken at face value given his already flimsy justifications for his actions.
Have we come full circle where morons are just stating the obvious? Or are we just tilting at windmills making up strawmen. Nobody truly buys into Adachi's bs. We all intrinsically empathize with the guy because his particular distorted worldview is relatable. Laziness, arrogance, and projection are very human characteristics. So is abuse of power.
literally me
I wouldn't really say he has distorted desires per se, he's just an butthole who thinks everyone else is also an butthole so being an butthole is okay.
Most people forget that a palace ruler can’t just be anyone you think is a bad person
Adachi’s social link in Golden was so much fricking fun that it pisses me off that he had to be the killer. It’s by far the most compelling storyline of them, just watching some jaded asshat push away everyone who loves him and convince himself that the world’s out to get him.
I'm just pissed that the Accomplice ending is so underdeveloped. I get that it's objectively a "bad" ending, but I wish there was more to it. Like having his Arcana switch and then the game goes on like normal. You and the party finally find Adachi in the final dungeon and he just laughs at them as you join his side and go full SMT, having to fight your friends in the TV World with Adachi and his Izanagi (bonus points if you fuse back Izanami) as your party member.
You can say "Well, that'd be awful and against the spirit of the game." but by siding with him to begin with, that's already against the spirit of the game, so why not go all in? Would've been fun.
That'd take work. Going "all in" would involve actually making extra assets.
Much less than you'd think. A portrait for Adachi as a party member is close to it for practical use, and voice lines, which are likely the real killer. Fighting your party could use the same models as when they fight with you, same but reverse for Adachi. Their AI for the fight can be slightly modified Party Member AI as well. You could argue the ending being different, but they had a whole animation already made for it, and I find it hard to believe that they couldn't use what they already had on hand for that.
True. You can kinda get Magatsu-Izanagi the easy way if you take that route, but you are correct and you can also get it the normal way as well. I wasn't trying to imply SMT has 'kill your friends' as the bad end in those games, simply alluding to the franchise in comparison. Persona is a much, much less a 'kill your friends' type game, which is why it warrants the "bad end" moniker.
Really, I just like 'fight your friend' type scenarios, which is why I enjoy SMT the way I do.
The protagonist has no reason to fight the party. Even if he wanted to protect Adachi, there's no particular reason to value him over them to the point that he'd be willing to inflict violence on them in order to protect Adachi specifically. Plus you'd have to kill them in order to truly protect him. Your whole idea is nonsense. There is no reason whatsoever to slaughter your other friends to protect just Adachi.
1. Adachi doesn't actually need protecting from the law
But if he did, you WOULD have to kill your friends to protect him.
Not only that, you would have to kill them to protect yourself. Harboring a murderer and a fugitive is serious and could get you in trouble too.
Explain to me why Adachi is so much more valuable that you'd be willing to kill off six of your friends just to protect him and him alone. That's fricking moronic.
The Accomplice ending isn't against the spirit of the game though. It's clearly a bad end and the protagonist very clearly regrets doing and you'renot reqarded in anyway for doing it. Killing your friends in SMT is not a bad end by the game's standards and is part of the true ending of the game most of the time
The reason why siding with Adachi isn't violating the spirit of the game but actively fighting your party to defend him would be, is because the accomplice ending is based on the bond of friendship that Yu thinks he has with Adachi, choosing to believe that a friend of his that he's spent so much time with and has such a connection with couldn't possibly be the murderer. It's taking the existing themes of "muh bonds" and showing what happens when they go too far beyond common sense.
Those kind of people can't change, death row is the only way.
If Rise sucked his dick maybe
No. He already had a Persona so you wouldn't have been able to find his Shadow in Mementos. Also Mementos is unique to Tokyo so you can't affect anyone living in Inaba with it.
He could have very easily got him off,how are the police going to understand he was throwing people in the TV
Honestly, Persona 4's plot isn't terribly interesting overall. Izanami's plan, the Sagiris, the TV world, it's all kind lame. Plus the whole "murder case" thing sort of just plain doesn't go anywhere for the majority of the game so it's not all that interesting either. Most of the value of the game lies primarily in Inaba and the quaint small town feel, though the fact that there are only a tiny handful of locations you can visit is kinda lame. The two new locations in Golden aren't even actually in Inaba.
Adachi is just too relatable.
What was his sin? Wrath? Envy?
Wrath I'd say, guy was working on a hair trigger
His Arcana is literally Lust.
Why didn't Yu just put Dojima's hand in the TV
The same reason no one took Makoto's sister or
Sojiro to mementos so they can at least understand the cat.
It's the same reason why Yu didn't put his hands into the TV.
Because
cuz its dangerous and unexplained. if yu simply put his own hand into the tv would be a lot smarter.
same as above, taking civvies into mementos is a terrible idea, the reaper shows up and kills them both.
It's funny, the Dark Hour in Persona 3 is extremely difficult to show to normies, but SEES was able to convince a police officer.
The midnight channel in Persona 4 is easy to show to normies, yet the investigation team acts like it's an impossible task to convince Dojima.
didn't that cop have ties to the kirijo group? he probably just took them at their word
Teddie was clearly an under-the-table hire. Yosuke's dad is obviously an easy-going eccentric given just about everything involving Yosuke.
Dojima forgave Adachi real fast considering Nanako nearly died due to his shit.
Adachi isn't responsible for that
A boy who killed his entire family of 2 brothers and his father and mother went to jail and his grandparents and relatives asked the judge for leniency.
Also I don't know if Dojima actually knows or believes Adachi did it. If I were him I'd assume he just cracked and went insane and gave a false confession
Dojima was pretty set on it being Adachi after the confrontation at the hospital.
he was also emotionally unstable after he saw his little girl die
Would adachi and Mitsuo have Teamed up?
No. Mitsuo had nothing to offer as he wasn't a Persona User and associating with him at all would have been unnecessary risk for Adachi.
They both hated women.
mitsuo hated women because they didn't like him. adachi was just bored and took it out on bawds
mitsuo is too much of a simp
If you had a persona what would you do.
Cum
rape women
Use it.
In what context? Do I have to go into some freaky alternate world and risk death to stop the end of the world or something? Pass.
Someone else will do it, and if they don't, I won't have to worry about it for too long.
frick b***hes
get money
aka business as usual
Can I only use it in another world? Who cares.
Is it basically a JoJo stand and I can use it in our world but non-persona users can't see it? You better believe I'm gonna abuse that in petty ways.
That's going to be the central plot of Persona 6.
There wasn't anything TO change because he wasn't a real character. All this shit at the last minute was a complete asspull because the game ran it's course without them remembering their murder mystery needed a murderer.
Less post makey more meds takey
The writing in your game is shit.
The entire game has no actual detective work. There are no clues. There is nothing. The game barely interacts with any character if it's not the immediate party of a social link.
>The entire game has no actual detective work.
The very beginning of the game established that The Killers methods are untraceable. I don't know what kind of Clues you expect to find with that kind of set up. I do agree that the mystery isn't good, but the mystery isn't the point of the story. With its very premise , it'd be foolish to actually expect that. This isn't Danganronpa or Zero Escape, and it didn't try to be or make a promise that it would be that.. The mystery is merely a vehicle to explore the game's themes. It's like hating the fly episode of Breaking Bad because it was about killing a fly.
>but the mystery isn't the point of the story.
I don't really think this is the case. Huge scenes and portions of the story are spent with characters sitting around, scratching their heads, going "Huh, I wonder who dunnit." If it wasn't supposed to be about the mystery, or at the very least, wasn't supposed to be a thriller, then they devoted way too much time to the mystery and detective element. They could have easily have made a story in which you know who it is, but you can't attack/fight them in real life, and they keep evading you in the TV world, turning it into a game of cat & mouse.
>At the time they still thought he did everything.
Then it doesn't make sense why 20 minutes later in-game they get to Nametame's van and find the journal. If they didn't think this, Naoto would have been "Wait, I don't get it, the first two victims aren't here." Instead, she said "This is proof."
>I don't really think this is the case. Huge scenes and portions of the story are spent with characters sitting around, scratching their heads, going "Huh, I wonder who dunnit."
But you do notice that they don't really make any real progress until like November. What mind of mystery takes that long to give you some clues? All of the killers up to that point were red hearings that scream at you that they can't be the killer (Which even the party notices). But you don't really do any deductions until like the last 15 hours of the game. This is because the game isn't about the mystery.
>wasn't supposed to be a thriller, then they devoted way too much time to the mystery and detective element.
The true mystery was establishing how the Midnight channel work, which would then inform the others of the killer's modus operandi. Though this is subjective, I feel that it was a good balance.
>Then it doesn't make sense why 20 minutes later in-game they get to Nametame's.... here." Instead, she said "This is proof."
Anon. That is literally the point. The game is planting seeds of doubt in the player's mind to ensure there is evidence the support Nametame isn't the killer. This all comes into fruition when the party tries to murder him. There is another reason for their desperation besides the seriousness of murder and because they think he's the culprit. It's because if Nametame is a dead end, then they have no more leads. There's a reason why soon after there is another bad ending choice waiting for you. They are so desperate and not thinking rationally (until Yu screams in their face) because there is literally NO ONE else.
It goes with the games themes that finding the truth isn't easy. It's hard. And sometimes a believable lie might be better for everyone in the long run.
>But you do notice that they don't really make any real progress until like November. What mind of mystery takes that long to give you some clues?
Oh I noticed for sure. But their quality of being able to deliver that does not indicate a lack of trying and intention, which is evident through the story mechanisms implemented. I'm sure you're familiar with Knox's Commandments, correct?
>The true mystery was establishing how the Midnight channel work
And who the killer was. For 70+ hours.
>The game is planting seeds of doubt in the player's mind to ensure there is evidence the support Nametame isn't the killer.
Then this becomes a plothole. The scene that "hangs" Adachi comes before the discovery of Nametame and his Journal. The scene where they figure out Nametame isn't the culprit doesn't come until after this, and then even later is the Adachi confrontation in the hospital.
Naoto literally has no reason to say that in scene A because it wasn't until scene B that Naoto suspects there's a second culprit, thus making the statement in A a plothole if she didn't understand the theory, and if she DID understand the theory, then it's a plothole why it would cast suspicion on Adachi.
>does not indicate a lack of trying and intention
They tried throughout the game, but they established from the offset that the killer's method is untraceable. Clues will realistically never be produced, and in fact the only evidence they ever found was something the killer purposefully planted themselves.
>Knox's Commandments
I'm aware. The game breaks half of them.
>And who the killer was. For 70+ hours.
Although finding the killer was the objective of the party, the true mystery is understanding the purpose of the midnight channel. I mean ultimately Adachi was thrown to the wayside right as he was defeated.
>The scene that "hangs" Adachi comes before the discovery of Nametame and his Journal.
You mean after? Or are you talking about the "put them all in line"? He wasn't necessarily hang, just naoto thought that it was weird that he didn't say anything.
>Naoto literally has no reason to say that in scene A because it wasn't until scene B that Naoto suspects there's a second culprit, thus making the statement in A a plothole if she didn't understand the theory, and if she DID understand the theory, then it's a plothole why it would cast suspicion on Adachi.
Sorry, can you elaborate?
>The game barely interacts with any character if it's not the immediate party of a social link
What? There's tons of scenes in the game where the characters just interact with each other, that's one the main appeals of this game
do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
>ll this shit at the last minute was a complete asspull
Mitsuo was thrown into the TV even though NametameI had no way to access him at the time because he was in police custody. It's clear that he was always planned.
I'm about to write my own Bechdel test. The Big tItty Goth Girl Test or Bigot test. If your antagonist can be cured by a relationship with a big titty goth girl then your story is incel shit and not worth caring about. Women b***h how stories where a man solves all the problems a woman has are underbaked so this is just the inverse.
sounds gay
The mistake was using a murder mystery as the setpiece for a game using Persona 3's calendar system. These two things were never gonna mesh.
the calendar system only worked for P3. Too bad it's not going to go away.
Devs could've easily come up with some lore reason to make it relevant to 4 and 5 too. Maybe the psience bullshit only really works during a full moon when the Shadows' power reaches their peak, so that's when Treasures fully manifest when the calling card is given around that time. Maybe the Shadows don't kill you in the TV until it's the full moon. It was so fricking easy to justify the once-a-month boss, yet they can't be assed to do so.
P4 tried at least by saying "our deadline is when the fog rolls in" which just happens to occur around the end of the month
P5 says frick it, you're gonna wait 29 days for futaba to recover because you just are
Futaba taking a nap for a whole month is kind of funny though
In 5 it's there because you know, you literally have that 1 year period until your probation runs out.
>Lets a convicted woman killer near his daughter
Never change Dojima
He hasn't been convicted. In fact, he probably walked given how impossible his case was.
See, if they actually proved the existence of the TV world, that'd probably totally frick up the status quo of the Nusona world so they can't ever let that stuff become public knowledge.
What's the problem with letting the public know of the TV world?
well, the government already knows about persona worlds in 5. so they may know about the tv world. either way, adachi isn't "walking" anywhere, he admitted to his crimes and was cooperative with the case against him. he'll be in the slammer for a while just for the crimes you could get him for in the real world.
Yeah but that's different. Shido knows of the Cognitive World, but he can't actually interact with it in any way. The general nature of Persona Users is largely unknown, even those who have some knowledge of cognitive psience don't actually know about Personas or Shadows.
But Persona 4 Arena takes place before it and PubSec has knowledge of shadows and Personas and the TV world.
The Shadow Operatives aren't part of Public Security.
There was literally a dude in P4A called Public Security Man who knew about the TV World.
Then I guess the Arena games aren't canon because PubSec straight up has no fricking idea about any of this shit in P5S.
Shido did a purging
Don't see how he could have purged the Shadow Ops. They have robutts. If Shido actually went around purging anyone who knew about the cognitive stuff from PubSec, then the Shadow Ops would have gotten involved somehow. At the very least, SOMEONE would have been snooping. Even if you can't enter the Metaverse without the Metaverse App, I feel like the Shadow Ops would have had some sort of presence if they were really meant to be canon. So clearly continuity is crazy loose here.
NTA
I'd assume Shadow Ops are in his pocket as well but I haven't really played Ultimax, only the original Arena story.
Why the hell would Mitsuru stoop to being in Shido's pocket? What you're saying would imply that Mitsuru, Aigis and Akihiko at minimum are all aware of what's going on and refuse to do anything about it.
Idk
I don't think Persona 5 is actually canon tho
>Don't see how he could have purged the Shadow Ops.
Not a physical purging, but just having it all shut down. Also Ultimax literally emphasises just how precarious of a position the shadow ops is in and how it wouldn't take much for it to go down (and even outright admit that politicians specifically aren't a fan of it). The last thing Shido would want is a branch of the government investigating this kind of stuff
Then why aren't they fighting against him from behind the scenes? Why aren't they rebelling anyway? Have they really all degraded so hard that they're no longer willing to put up a fight? If so then that's it. The Persona 3 cast have completely turned to shit.
They might not even know who's behind it aside from a "well, the higher ups decided we don't really need the shadow ops anymore, bye."
Any scenario in which the P3 cast knows that something fricky's going on and refuse to do anything about it means that they've gone to shit.
What can they do? They don't have the power to change hearts or anything
Maybe their shit just functions differently and they can't access the metaverse
I mean they can't, they don't have the app
You specifically need the Metaverse App to access the Metaverse, and the one who controls the app was Yaldabaoth. Still, if they're active, they should probably investigate somehow. I mean they had an entire goddamn year.
Don't the police go into Sae's Palace to arrest Joker?
Isn't there some memory frickery in Persona 3 that can explain this all away.
Would the entire Persona world go full SMT if everyone knew about shadows and personas?
>tfw you realize the reason we can't have characters being able to summon their personas in the real world is because it just begs for there to be evil persona users and then it really is just stand battles in all but name
I still want it though
Being able to use your Persona in the real world doesn't mesh well with the calendar system.
woah just like 1-2-3!
Every time they do it in the real world in 3, it's during the midnight hour except for when Chidori's persona was strangling her.
1 and 2 basically don't exist to modern atlus. They were made over 20 years ago.
dark hour, I meant.
Depending on if you subscribe to the idea of a "Persona Timeline", 1 and 2 (alongside all of Devil Summoner and If... for that matter) are in a separate universe from 3/4/5, and 3's usages of Personas outside the Dark Hour are incredibly, undeniably rare and I even believe is stated to be insanely difficult nearing impossible.
Correct me if I'm wrong about anything, it's been a hot minute since I've played P3.
Chidori could summon her persona outside of the dark hour, but only because she couldn't control it and it was trying to kill her.
Bear in mind that there are literally demons showing up in both P1 and P2 in the real world, and any condition that allows demons to appear in the real would would also allow Persona Users to summon their Personas in the real world as well. The fact that demons can't encroach on the real world most of the time in P5 means that the Phantom Thieves would also be beholden to the same limitations. It's also important to remember that final part of P5 takes place in the real world as well. The Metaverse has merged with reality, and this allows Persona Users to freely summon their Personas.
There are always demons in the real world, even after raidou 2
But not in P3, P4 and P5. So that implies that the makeup of reality in those games is completely different, further distancing them from the Devil Summoner timeline.
Now, you might disagree, but here's the biggest issue: I seriously fricking doubt Hashino gave two fricks about timelines when they made Persona 3 and the subsequent games. The world of P1 and P2 is a world in which demons exist, but the concept of demons and Devil Summoners straight up don't matter in P3 at all. It seems highly likely to me that they didn't actually give the mechanics of the world of P1 and P2 the tiniest iota of thought. Yes, the Kirijo Group split off from the Nanjo Group, but so what? That's pretty much all the devs bothered with. There's no Kuzunoha Detective Agency in P3, there aren't any devil summoners, there are no demons.
For NG+ should I still do confidants for people I already maxed originally and got their item?
You need to at least start it to get back the bonuses you had unlocked before. Either way there's no reaosn not to do them, nothing else to do during the days
just stick your hand into a tv in front of the court what's the big deal
How does he do it? How did they succeed with Adachi while the villains of P3 & P5 failed to reach his heat?
What would the P3 and P4 versions of Picaro Personas be called?
I wish they'd give us a unique ending for a no-social-link run.
>What on Earth did you do all year?
>I assumed it would just happen
HE'S JUST LIKE ME
They should just straight up have bad endings where the final boss wins, because you as a player suck
Name a bigger waste of potential in an antagonist group
Honestly, Strega was bad but in a way that makes them memorable. If you were to ask me to name everyone in the Conspiracy from Persona 5 that isn't Shido then I'd be pretty hard pressed to actually give you an answer.
The conspiracy group isn't meant to be memorable, they're just faceless villains you only see for one dungeon
If you moved the final fight against them to the evening of Chidori's death that would help a lot. The real problem is that we're told to expect more of them in the future and despite how much the game hypes up the cult, they don't have any significant presence. If their story ended with Chidori's sacrifice and the climax of Junpei's character arc, that would have been a satisfying payoff, and the last two months could focus solely on Nyx. Instead we're left with the disappointing taste of their final battles taking place long after emotions have cooled.
Not much you can do with them. They're outnumbered and there's nothing they can really do to help or hinder the Fall. They're mainly just there to fill out the roster.
doubtful, since even after spending multiple games and anime with him we still don't have much of an idea of why he's like that. he doesn't seem to have a distorted view of reality, it's more that he just always chose the path of least resistance.
>we still don't have much of an idea of why he's like that
Because b***hES, man!
>You almost caused the death my daughter... But I believe you.
I hate fujos and devs that listen these "people".
Probably. I don't think he was as horrible as he turned out to be. Izanami chose him as one of the awakeners, representing emptiness, and we know that she somehow "enhanced" the aspect each of the awakeners represent, as seen in how Chie tells the MC that he has "a funny air" about him, which attracts people to him. I personally think that Izanami essentially made him the way he is. After all, he did turn into Ameno-Sagiri, much like how Namatame turned into Kunino-Sagiri. She was manipulating them both.
Honestly P4's plot is the most dull, full of plot holes and uninteresting one after you play it, you already know everything about it
P5 and P3 had more going on for them, in P3's case there's gigantic holes of nothing inbetween story beats but P5 was the best combination of gripping and interesting cast of villains. P4 only has Adachi going for it and he wears off fast once you know he's the killer.
>lol, you totally tried to kill my daughter
>heh, I know
God, I fricking hate this artwork.
that wasn't him tho
didn't he actually get upset about that
No, just brushed it off as an accident when spewing his plot to you