Atelier decreased the amount of fanservice starting with Sophie 2.
Riza only has ONE (1) fanservice scene in her entire trilogy.
Riza essentially sold on her character design, not because it has fanservice or good gameplay.
The fricking trailer for the gacha doesnt have a hint of fanservice either, they are basically sending it to die.
Yeah. Considering Koei understanding Japan is strong on Console/steam, weak on Mobile gacha, Koei sacrificed Atelier for Fate/Samurai Remnant and Rise of Ronin.
Why is Atelier devolving to Gacha while
Cygames and Bushiroad knew that Japan is vulnerable at mobile gacha and advanced to console game?
A25 shock is a critical FATALITY to JRPG. Even worse than Tatsuki kicked by Kadokawa in Kemono friendss. For A25 being gacha=no Atelier for console in 2024!
KT want easy money while Cygames/Bushiroad want brand recognition.
KT already has the brand (Atelier) while Cygames has several gacha that print money but are pretty much unknown outside Japan which is also why they heavily invested into anime these last years which is a gambling that paid.
tl;dr KT just want money, Cygames has a strategy and is following it.
Money? Japan is vulnerable at Gacha game while strong at console game.... as Nakaido says. But I think Koei would understand this... considering Koei had 3 kingdom shinsen(with annoying ad) and monster farm.
That's because most japanese gacha are literal part-time jobs and are carried by their brands, no one would give a frick about FGO if it didnt have the Fate brand.
Chinese gacha tend to be more user-friendly or more advertised when they arent, while korean gacha tend to be lewder even if they play worse.
Japanese gacha are in-between and most people dont go for something half-assed.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. Koei would know Weakness and strength... japan is strong on steam and console, while weak at gacha. But why is Koei trying to Kill JRPG by making Atelier 25 a gacha? It is even worse than Kadokawa's tatsuki kicking in Kemono friends. A25 shock will kill JRPG, I guess.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Until Nintendo saves the day and monopolize JRPG.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>But why is Koei trying to Kill JRPG by making Atelier 25 a gacha?
Because they dont care.
Just look at EA or Ubisoft, they killed many of their IP without remorse, why would KT be any different, especially now that their devs are proudly showing their WEF badges ?
They already killed DOA to make western journalists happy, why do you think they care ?
Yeah. Japan used to make some great games like persona 5,dark souls 3,FFXIV,FF7R,BoTW,Animals crossing,Sekiro,Nier Automata,Xenoblade 2,DE,Super smash bros uli, Lost judgement, Nioh 2,Like a dragon 7,MH world,RE 7, Judge eyes,Death stranding and DMC5,(according to metacritics)
from 2017 to early 2020, but how can they fall so soon? Pathetic.
Phil Fish will be happy to hear this news.
No Japanese game would get an award in TGA.
>but how can they fall so soon?
By pandering to the west.
Metacritics and games awards dont mean shit btw
10 months ago
Anonymous
It doesn't only kill Single IP. It kills entire JRPG genre. Even worse than Kadokawa firing Tatsuki in Kemono friends.
Hope Bushiroad games replaced Koei soon by making Senran Kagura ripoff with Bandori chars(Pasupare has 1 VA retired, RAS has rating issue for Pareo and Chu2).. bushi even purged LL for greater goods: Consumer game. And Bushiroad never cares about Wokism.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Senran Kagura ripoff with Bandori chars
Pardon me?
While I would personally love it, I really dont think those fanbases overlap.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. No wonder why no Jap game has metascore higher than Genshin since 2021.(Elden ring and Xenoblade 3's score is probably fraud like TLOU2)
we West still makes good game like Avowed, MS flying sim, D4 and OW2,Halo infinity, AoE4,Elder scrolls 6,STARFIELD,Modern warfare 2,BG3,MK1,Remnant 2. BG3 and Starfield are genshin killers.
Phil Fish was right again.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Literally all of these games are shit, the entire western industry is carried by nostalgia, indie games and normalgays who only buy marketed shit.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Even BG3 and starfield, the absolute genshin killer by existence?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>BG3
A literal meme game, I wont deny that it's better than 90% of the western output however. >Starfield
Not released yet and knowing Todd, it's probably going to be a mediocre game that will be carried by the modding community.
Neither are gacha btw, so no matter their success, they are not going to make as much cash as Genshin.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Does metascore not that matter now?
10 months ago
Anonymous
It only ever mattered for internet arguments.
The really good games are still played/remembered fondly over time.
10 months ago
Anonymous
did you unironically list overwatch 2 as a "good game the west makes"
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. For Gunevo got EoS. That's why. Battleborn, Paladins is irrelevant,
10 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, TF2 is literally dunking on it based on the Steam reviews.
Money? Sakura revolution,Tales of Crestoria, and code geass genesic recode,Re:404,Arsenotoria says else. They flopped heavily and EoS and left the damage on selling on their company. And thats why Nakaido, the most famous game reviewing youtuber in Japan said that Japan is strong at Console/Steam consumers, and vulnerable at gacha. See Nakaido's video in youtube and it proves this.
KT is run by a bunch of moron and think their audience are even more moronic.
Cant blame them considering that a lot of people defended the censorship and removal of fanservice in Atelier over the years, people are actually that fricking stupid.
All of your example only show how desperate they are for "easy" money because the gacha audience definitely spend more and is more lucrative than the consoles ones.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. Japan used to make some great games like persona 5,dark souls 3,FFXIV,FF7R,BoTW,Animals crossing,Sekiro,Nier Automata,Xenoblade 2,DE,Super smash bros uli, Lost judgement, Nioh 2,Like a dragon 7,MH world,RE 7, Judge eyes,Death stranding and DMC5,(according to metacritics)
from 2017 to early 2020, but how can they fall so soon? Pathetic.
Phil Fish will be happy to hear this news.
No Japanese game would get an award in TGA.
>Riza essentially sold on her character design
Which was built entirely on pandering to coomers, yes
And gacha is THE coomer genre outside of outright porn games, fanservice is a question of when, not if
Which is ironic because the characters designs are the only lewd things about her trilogy.
They are unironically the most tame games. >gacha
The trailer showed the heroines wearing spats and bloomers because panties are haram, I dont expect much.
Because Koei pushed Fate woke remnant so hard and
sacrificed Atelier for this and restraining Gust.
Considering Koei would know that Japan is strong in Console and Steam while being weak on mobile gacha(GBO2 is going fine despite shitty BM and balance, and not on Mobile)
Damn, I wanted to see Atelier 2024 in console on Nintendo direct September.
But A25 being gacha means that
"Sorry, no Atelier on console in 2024"....
Damn this Woke Enby Saber!!!
GUST was always a greedy/shameless company, but they were subtle about it. People would ask why NISA was breaking up games to add DLC, yet did it every single release, despite the complaints. It was because GUST told them to.
Eventually GUST ran into financial trouble, and were bought by KT. Who shamelessly ruined the Atelier series with garbage mechanics and stupid decisions. Now the next game will be mobile. Atelier's reputation with mobile games is incredibly bad. Almost as bad as the support from KT.
Then escha immediately uped crafting complexity dramatically and fixed the awful assignment system from Rorona. Has a top tier hub town and rewarding quest system.
Escha is a true kamige and shallie and Sophie are very close behind
They already intended to make a gacha entry at one point. I highly doubt that Ryza influenced that decision. At least Atelier Resleriana has some nice designs, but a gacha with alchemy mechanics sounds like a dreadful idea.
Yeah. It is a big coup de grace to JRPG.
Persona 5 revived JRPG hardly in 2017, but destroying it by A25 being a gacha in 6 years, which implies that no atelier for console in 2024?
Gameplay-wise it's the worse Atelier trilogy because of how easy and streamlined it is.
Only play Ryza if you really like the characters design, play another Atelier trilogy otherwise.
I beat most assignments in Rorona in under 5 days, even drooling children couldnt fail it. Its simply exists to make you replay for more endings. Atelier time limits are one huge nothing burger
Ryza 3 on hard is easier than Rorona. >Atelier time limits are one huge nothing burger
I agree but casual are very loud sadly
10 months ago
Anonymous
I'd say their more annoying because the PS3 games deducted time for arbitrary shit, they're about on par with the Persona Calendar because both games have to many situations that can be missed and can frick you over later.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I took 1 damage from nearly every mob until late mid game on Rorona because I got my party gnardi rings with my surplus of vouchers. There is no way Ryza can possibly be easier, right???
10 months ago
Anonymous
Let me put it another way, Rorona gaslit me into thinking I was playing on easy even though 1 theres no difficulty and 2 I never play games on easy first time. I checked if I was on easy several times.
Thats how braindead Rorona is
10 months ago
Anonymous
>unga bunga moron confused why series about crafting isn't focused on combat
10 months ago
Anonymous
>coping arland cuck defending the combat of a jrpg being utterly broken
Ive seen zelda ocarina of time or pokemon fans with less nostalgia clouding their brains
10 months ago
Anonymous
The very same complain can be made about Ryza too.
10 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but Rorona has a weird difficulty curve where only the very early and very late game present a modicum of difficulty, with the mid game being a breeze.
Havent played Riza because of censorship and lack of overall fanservice so I cant compare but the consensus is that Ryza 3 is indeed one of the easiest Atelier game ever.
>no significant outrage when firis wore spats
to be fair, if she wore pantsu they would be on full display like 99% of the time >no significant outrage when lydie and suelle had those poofs under their skirts
even THO their pantsu are fully modeled and textured
explain.
Because Abe allowed bikini, while Kishida banned bikini from anime and Jap console game. No wonderwhy they ran to gacha.
Jap gacha gets a pass becaue they are irrelevant according to Nakaido. If it wasn't Kishida, we could had Atelier 2024 in console....
no, sorry. the correct answer was that the core of what made the series was still (mostly) intact.
its disappointing that you will focus on fanservice when EVERYTHING ELSE sucks so hard.
Going from pandering to coomers to making games in the coomshit genre is not exactly a big leap
yes
moron
Blame KT.
Atelier decreased the amount of fanservice starting with Sophie 2.
Riza only has ONE (1) fanservice scene in her entire trilogy.
Riza essentially sold on her character design, not because it has fanservice or good gameplay.
The fricking trailer for the gacha doesnt have a hint of fanservice either, they are basically sending it to die.
Yeah. Considering Koei understanding Japan is strong on Console/steam, weak on Mobile gacha, Koei sacrificed Atelier for Fate/Samurai Remnant and Rise of Ronin.
Why is Atelier devolving to Gacha while
Cygames and Bushiroad knew that Japan is vulnerable at mobile gacha and advanced to console game?
A25 shock is a critical FATALITY to JRPG. Even worse than Tatsuki kicked by Kadokawa in Kemono friendss. For A25 being gacha=no Atelier for console in 2024!
KT want easy money while Cygames/Bushiroad want brand recognition.
KT already has the brand (Atelier) while Cygames has several gacha that print money but are pretty much unknown outside Japan which is also why they heavily invested into anime these last years which is a gambling that paid.
tl;dr KT just want money, Cygames has a strategy and is following it.
Money? Japan is vulnerable at Gacha game while strong at console game.... as Nakaido says. But I think Koei would understand this... considering Koei had 3 kingdom shinsen(with annoying ad) and monster farm.
That's because most japanese gacha are literal part-time jobs and are carried by their brands, no one would give a frick about FGO if it didnt have the Fate brand.
Chinese gacha tend to be more user-friendly or more advertised when they arent, while korean gacha tend to be lewder even if they play worse.
Japanese gacha are in-between and most people dont go for something half-assed.
Yeah. Koei would know Weakness and strength... japan is strong on steam and console, while weak at gacha. But why is Koei trying to Kill JRPG by making Atelier 25 a gacha? It is even worse than Kadokawa's tatsuki kicking in Kemono friends. A25 shock will kill JRPG, I guess.
Until Nintendo saves the day and monopolize JRPG.
>But why is Koei trying to Kill JRPG by making Atelier 25 a gacha?
Because they dont care.
Just look at EA or Ubisoft, they killed many of their IP without remorse, why would KT be any different, especially now that their devs are proudly showing their WEF badges ?
They already killed DOA to make western journalists happy, why do you think they care ?
>but how can they fall so soon?
By pandering to the west.
Metacritics and games awards dont mean shit btw
It doesn't only kill Single IP. It kills entire JRPG genre. Even worse than Kadokawa firing Tatsuki in Kemono friends.
Hope Bushiroad games replaced Koei soon by making Senran Kagura ripoff with Bandori chars(Pasupare has 1 VA retired, RAS has rating issue for Pareo and Chu2).. bushi even purged LL for greater goods: Consumer game. And Bushiroad never cares about Wokism.
>Senran Kagura ripoff with Bandori chars
Pardon me?
While I would personally love it, I really dont think those fanbases overlap.
Yeah. No wonder why no Jap game has metascore higher than Genshin since 2021.(Elden ring and Xenoblade 3's score is probably fraud like TLOU2)
we West still makes good game like Avowed, MS flying sim, D4 and OW2,Halo infinity, AoE4,Elder scrolls 6,STARFIELD,Modern warfare 2,BG3,MK1,Remnant 2. BG3 and Starfield are genshin killers.
Phil Fish was right again.
Literally all of these games are shit, the entire western industry is carried by nostalgia, indie games and normalgays who only buy marketed shit.
Even BG3 and starfield, the absolute genshin killer by existence?
>BG3
A literal meme game, I wont deny that it's better than 90% of the western output however.
>Starfield
Not released yet and knowing Todd, it's probably going to be a mediocre game that will be carried by the modding community.
Neither are gacha btw, so no matter their success, they are not going to make as much cash as Genshin.
Does metascore not that matter now?
It only ever mattered for internet arguments.
The really good games are still played/remembered fondly over time.
did you unironically list overwatch 2 as a "good game the west makes"
Yeah. For Gunevo got EoS. That's why. Battleborn, Paladins is irrelevant,
Anon, TF2 is literally dunking on it based on the Steam reviews.
Money? Sakura revolution,Tales of Crestoria, and code geass genesic recode,Re:404,Arsenotoria says else. They flopped heavily and EoS and left the damage on selling on their company. And thats why Nakaido, the most famous game reviewing youtuber in Japan said that Japan is strong at Console/Steam consumers, and vulnerable at gacha. See Nakaido's video in youtube and it proves this.
KT is run by a bunch of moron and think their audience are even more moronic.
Cant blame them considering that a lot of people defended the censorship and removal of fanservice in Atelier over the years, people are actually that fricking stupid.
All of your example only show how desperate they are for "easy" money because the gacha audience definitely spend more and is more lucrative than the consoles ones.
Yeah. Japan used to make some great games like persona 5,dark souls 3,FFXIV,FF7R,BoTW,Animals crossing,Sekiro,Nier Automata,Xenoblade 2,DE,Super smash bros uli, Lost judgement, Nioh 2,Like a dragon 7,MH world,RE 7, Judge eyes,Death stranding and DMC5,(according to metacritics)
from 2017 to early 2020, but how can they fall so soon? Pathetic.
Phil Fish will be happy to hear this news.
No Japanese game would get an award in TGA.
>Riza essentially sold on her character design
Which was built entirely on pandering to coomers, yes
And gacha is THE coomer genre outside of outright porn games, fanservice is a question of when, not if
Which is ironic because the characters designs are the only lewd things about her trilogy.
They are unironically the most tame games.
>gacha
The trailer showed the heroines wearing spats and bloomers because panties are haram, I dont expect much.
Now that’s a girl that doesn’t shave her pubes.
What exactly says they can't make console games anymore?
Because Koei pushed Fate woke remnant so hard and
sacrificed Atelier for this and restraining Gust.
Considering Koei would know that Japan is strong in Console and Steam while being weak on mobile gacha(GBO2 is going fine despite shitty BM and balance, and not on Mobile)
Damn, I wanted to see Atelier 2024 in console on Nintendo direct September.
But A25 being gacha means that
"Sorry, no Atelier on console in 2024"....
Damn this Woke Enby Saber!!!
Good, you're just pulling shit out of your ass
Atelier is sacrificed for Fate/Woke Remnant. Which is based on FGO setting.
Man, I expected Atelier 2024 with Mika pikazo as Artist on Switch and PS5, steam, XSX. And game pass day 1.
Anyone to leak about Atelier 2024 on Rating board?
GUST was always a greedy/shameless company, but they were subtle about it. People would ask why NISA was breaking up games to add DLC, yet did it every single release, despite the complaints. It was because GUST told them to.
Eventually GUST ran into financial trouble, and were bought by KT. Who shamelessly ruined the Atelier series with garbage mechanics and stupid decisions. Now the next game will be mobile. Atelier's reputation with mobile games is incredibly bad. Almost as bad as the support from KT.
Oh boy its another 'everything post ayesha is shit' schizo
He's not wrong, Ayesha was the last game released by GUST proper before they got bought by KT.
Then escha immediately uped crafting complexity dramatically and fixed the awful assignment system from Rorona. Has a top tier hub town and rewarding quest system.
Escha is a true kamige and shallie and Sophie are very close behind
Sophie streamlined crafting.
Ryza dumbed it down to the point it became idiot-proof.
Is reinventing streamlining? It can get pretty puzzle like by Lydie and Sophie 2
>Is reinventing streamlining?
If the previous system was considered too weird/complicated, yes.
Prease understand. Focusing on Fate/Twink remnant.(Saber is Non binary here)
They turned my gf into a lewd bawd
Yes ryza and her moronic fans ruined this multiple decade old series about cute girls
They already intended to make a gacha entry at one point. I highly doubt that Ryza influenced that decision. At least Atelier Resleriana has some nice designs, but a gacha with alchemy mechanics sounds like a dreadful idea.
Yeah. It is a big coup de grace to JRPG.
Persona 5 revived JRPG hardly in 2017, but destroying it by A25 being a gacha in 6 years, which implies that no atelier for console in 2024?
I find her cute and her anime is endearing
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP RYZA MOAN AND GET PREGNANT!!!
Should I play atelier ryza?
And how long is it?
Gameplay-wise it's the worse Atelier trilogy because of how easy and streamlined it is.
Only play Ryza if you really like the characters design, play another Atelier trilogy otherwise.
Even easier and more streamlined than arland? Rorona was a braindead game for braindead people
Yes, you have no idea how braindead easy Ryza is.
>Rorona
The Arland trilogy had a Time limit, which makes casual seethe.
I beat most assignments in Rorona in under 5 days, even drooling children couldnt fail it. Its simply exists to make you replay for more endings. Atelier time limits are one huge nothing burger
Ryza 3 on hard is easier than Rorona.
>Atelier time limits are one huge nothing burger
I agree but casual are very loud sadly
I'd say their more annoying because the PS3 games deducted time for arbitrary shit, they're about on par with the Persona Calendar because both games have to many situations that can be missed and can frick you over later.
I took 1 damage from nearly every mob until late mid game on Rorona because I got my party gnardi rings with my surplus of vouchers. There is no way Ryza can possibly be easier, right???
Let me put it another way, Rorona gaslit me into thinking I was playing on easy even though 1 theres no difficulty and 2 I never play games on easy first time. I checked if I was on easy several times.
Thats how braindead Rorona is
>unga bunga moron confused why series about crafting isn't focused on combat
>coping arland cuck defending the combat of a jrpg being utterly broken
Ive seen zelda ocarina of time or pokemon fans with less nostalgia clouding their brains
The very same complain can be made about Ryza too.
NTA but Rorona has a weird difficulty curve where only the very early and very late game present a modicum of difficulty, with the mid game being a breeze.
Havent played Riza because of censorship and lack of overall fanservice so I cant compare but the consensus is that Ryza 3 is indeed one of the easiest Atelier game ever.
>no significant outrage when firis wore spats
to be fair, if she wore pantsu they would be on full display like 99% of the time
>no significant outrage when lydie and suelle had those poofs under their skirts
even THO their pantsu are fully modeled and textured
explain.
I did complain actually but the number of homosexual who welcomed those changes outnumbered me.
It's even worse nowadays thanks to the woke crowd.
Because Abe allowed bikini, while Kishida banned bikini from anime and Jap console game. No wonderwhy they ran to gacha.
Jap gacha gets a pass becaue they are irrelevant according to Nakaido. If it wasn't Kishida, we could had Atelier 2024 in console....
no, sorry. the correct answer was that the core of what made the series was still (mostly) intact.
its disappointing that you will focus on fanservice when EVERYTHING ELSE sucks so hard.
So what is the core of the serie ?
gooning
bombs
no, it was the anon who wanted ANYTHING but another Ryza game who monkeypawed it.
then "the new one" killed atelier
and ryza was the last "game"
is not that hard to understand
And killed entire JRPG genre as well.
coomershit always attracts the lowest common denominator
>the fricking ESL chink is here
of course, that explains the absolute nonsense replies
What's her key for?
her hideout
(you)r chastity cage
At least it didn't get turned into a harem with a male protagonist. And at least Atelier will still be getting console games.
Let's see until Nintendo direct September and TGS which Atelier series aim for.
I don't care about atelier gays, just give me more Reisalin