Do people really treat early access games as full games nowadays with added content being free content updates?
Do people really treat early access games as full games nowadays
Do people really treat early access games as full games nowadays with added content being free content updates?
>game is in early access
>first update ended up taking almost a calendar year with delays
>very little information released
>actual content is insultingly paltry and barebones
>at the same time it ruins the hunger system which was actually somewhat well implemented before
>bad reviews are written
>cue journo asslickers taking the opportunity to berate customers for their "entitlement" again
eat shit
enjoy your soulless garbage morons
Well, it's early access, not a full release, it needs to add the content they promised.
If you buy a game in early access because you think it'll actually be updated, at this point your moronic.
Buy a game that seems fun in it's current form. If it's early access, you may or may not get content updates, but it doesn't matter if you bought it for what it is at the point you bought it as.
Devs that release games under ea with road maps should be beholden to them. Thats like paying for a guy to remodel your bathroom and when he runs out of wood/materials he just stops halfway and goes "hey I mean you already payed for it"
This happens all the time. Stop trusting shit devs/contractors with your money
Then they'll just never make roadmaps public and then what will morons like you complain about
Then there wouldn't be a hype train they could gift off of
Then you'd complain that the devs are doing nothing and not communicating with their audience
I don't complain about that shit. Devs do that if they want more money. It makes no difference to me if they're silent. I'd prefer it. Shut the frick up you moronic homosexual.
Thats why you never pay them the full amount until the job is done. Unfortunately that will never happen with games.
>Devs that release games under ea with road maps should be beholden to them
and yet you already know that they are not, with many, many examples of devs cutting and running with the money
it's on you, anon
If you need to go to fricking Delphi to ask the oracle what will happen to an early access game, just don't buy it.
Also Steam should enforce rules and penalties to devs that abuse the Early Access system.
>Just buy an unfinished house if you can set up a tent inside comfortably enough, stop complaining the house is not finished!
>early access game meets huge success
>has all the tools and resources to meet its deadlines on its road map
>shits out 1 half assed update instead of the 4 that were claimed
>ruin a bunch of shit in the process
Frick those bastards. DRG is ea done right. These guys are a fricking joke.
It hits both ways. A lot of devs see early access as free money/publicity. In reality, EA is not for every game and you need to develop for it. If you go EA and your game is still way off from being finished, you might sour first impressions. If you take too long for updates, you waste your steam and possibly goodwill. And something a little rarer but even more damaging, if you publish stuff that is still in flux, you risk losing players forever for “ruining the game” because some experimental feature you added didn’t make the cut after all.
>check Valheim
>early access
When will people learn.
Don't buy early access.
>B-B-BUT MUH INDIE, MUH INDUSTRY, MUH CHANCE FOR NEW DEVELOPERS
Dude, no. Look at OP. It's just a scam. Why the frick do people not learn this basic shit. Is money really that easy, pandemic and all?
what are you talking about moron
tons of people have had hundreds of hours of fun out of this game for only like what, 15 bucks? how is it a scam?
fricking dumb black gorilla Black person
Dont buy games like these unless you are perfectly content with playing them as they currently are. They never EVER deliver on their promises.
Nothing wrong with spending your money if you are happy with a game in its current state, but never bank on future updates.
This. Always try before you buy. Valheim has plenty of content for its price but is obviously not finished. Don't fricking buy it if you're not ok with that.
Go look at starbase which is way more expensive and filled with bugs and gamebreaking issues. Unless you're a hardcore ship building autist you shouldn't buy it.
I could have said the same for factorio/oxygen not included/rim world back when they first were available for purchase.
I don't give a frick what other people think. I just play fun videogames.
What the hell is a live service game? Is it like Rainbow Six Siege? I refuse to buy games like this again. You buy a game and a year later it’s a completely different game. Frick this shit and frick these scummy morons.
Yes it's exactly like that. It's drip feeding content for maximum profits
I liked Siege until Season 2 or whatever it’s called. It’s basically unrecognizable now. I hate this practice. I don’t want the product I bought to be different a year later.
>interested in game
>it's early access so I avoid it
>stays that way for a couple of years with people on forums saying it's a dead game
>releases and is excellent
Thank you, based Encased.
>see interesting game
>early access
>on wishlist
>forget about it for two years
>it's almost a complete product now
It's like owning a time machine.
>game comes out and does incredibly well
>knowing that it did incredibly well, and knowing your teams timeline and experience, put out an extensive roadmap that tells of 4 mega updates throughout the year
>decide to take 2 months off because you're all mega rich now
>use "muh covid" as an excuse to not work at the same efficiency even though it's only a team of like 4 coders and 2 vis people
>release your first "big" update
>it comprises of half a dozen new building pieces, a dozen new recipes, a revamped food system which no one asked for and was perfectly fine how it worked and....???
>complain that gamers are too unrealistic and that they shouldn't expect more from such a small independent company
Nah, they can frick right off. They already fricked the game up through patches before Hearth/Home hit, and now they fricked it up again with Hearth/Home.
Don't get me started on the fricking till changes they did making it nearly impossible to level out or raise ground efficiently
>our perception
>our
Die in a fire journey shithead.
I don't think the valheim team was set "impossible" expectations. People wanted some updates and a few new additions in like a 3 month span. But it took them almost a full YEAR to put out a pretty basic update.
It does not even come close to taking a full fricking year to put out the update they put out. It wouldn't even take a single person dev team to put out this kind of update. I mean, people aren't expecting an entire new game in terms of the update, but it's pretty laughable what they put out.
Seeing Notch add little bits to a game in real time every night was cool but that doesn't work with games more complicated than Minecraft. The Valheim devs needed to fill the empty parts of the world. A handful of enemy types, a new boss, and some new mechanic seems like not a lot to ask for in 3 months (now like a year).
They were a three dude team at steam release. Prior to that they released new content once every six months. Did you not read their dev blog before purchasing a literally who game?
My friends were playing the fotm game so I tried it and had a ton of fun. The dev, the development history, never was a factor for me. I'm satisfied with the tons of hours I put in.
spotted the Valheim dev posts
I like Valheim, but it's simply undenieable how much of a load of wasted potential the game is.
I played it a few weeks ago with mods that basically turned the itemization into an ARPG and it absolutely revitalized the game for me.
When mods add more (re)playability to a game than an update that was for 8-9 months in the making, it's just disappointing.
Sadly, those mods seemingly make the game near unplayable in multiplayer as they cause massive lags when more than 2 people are present, which is really unfortunate.
My biggest problem with Valheim was not being able to actually dig in the ground and the sheer impossibility of doing so due to the engine having to be reworked from scratch to do it.
I remember the big disappointment when I first tried to dig a hole and realised it just wasnt gonna happen.
Wait what. I dug a trench around my entire base. Do you mean a tunnel?
Yeah, I wanted to do an underground dorf meme. Closest you can do is finding a big rock and digging under it or in it but its a lot of hassle.
I've followed valheim since itch.io days. The content updates move at a glacial pace. It's fun and I'm hooked for a bit, but it's a game where I'm just gonna drop it for another game for a year or two until I come back for more content. It's like minecraft, just drop it until enough is new. There's always more games, or just replaying good shit.
Why did they remove the original roadmap that had pretty good release times? Only real explaination is that they took the money and ran which is really scum. Valheim could have been huge but the moronic swedecucks lost their momentum.
Honestly it feels like they spent all of their time on stability improvements. Back when it released it ran like shit, and walking through my town was unplayable. Now it hardly chugs unless you're loading in and just for a second.
That's because that's what they've been mostly focused on. The original release was running on Lincoln Logs. They just got a few more hies on their team, so I'm hoping that'll help pump up the release cadence a bit.
There's games you play constantly because they keep it fresh and updated, and there's games you play for a few days then put down for a long time. Not every game needs to be Fortnite, and I say that as someone who plays Fortnite a lot.
I enjoy playing the game at various stages during development, and am enjoying the increase in difficulty overall for Heath and Home
Valheim is the spot in my mind that Terraria occupies; I don't always play it, but when there's something new, it's a new playthrough
>Muh early access
>Muh small indie studio
>Muh not enough time and money to make a good update
>Spend millions to advertise their shitty game on twitch and shill on 4chin
Developer =/= publisher
Honestly, content and roadmaps aside, valheim has some serious pacing issues. I got meme'd into playing it by all my friends and I quit out of boredom several times, this time im forcing myself to complete it and it really is a game that loves to waste your time. I've spent thousands of hours playing pvp survival games of the same vein grinding away and having my progress wiped by hackers/everyday pvp, but for whatever reason valheim just gets right up my butthole about it.
>valheim has some serious pacing issues
It has serious game design issues, pacing is just one of them.
A friend gifted me Valheim when it was big and popular. In return, I gifted him Scrap Mechanic.
I have really been enjoying Hearth and Home's new features so far, personally. I like the changes to food (though admittedly I hardly notice a difference, it mostly seems like rebalancing and more readable UI). It kinda just makes sense for the Cooking Pot to have upgrades similar to other crafting station, but the spice rack is EXTREMELY inconvenient to place, especially since my Cooking Pot is on a campfire surrounded by Sitting Logs.
New building blocks are great. Hot tub is stupid.
>thank you for reading my blog post
This isn't anything new. The biggest and best games have always had this advantage in being hard to replicate, and they have always set increasing standards for the next generation of games.
>indie hits
>already blaming other games for its own failures
In my mind EA means 20$ indie game
>waaaaaah games in ea are bad
just dont buy it until it's released
I prefer just not buying it ever. Developers that release their games in early access are either incompetent with business (and need money from customers in order to finish the game) or incompetent with game development (and need money from customers in order to finish the game). They have no faith or confidence in their work. The low effort, lazy, shallow result is unmistakable. Are there exceptions? Sure. Are there enough exceptions to ignore the rule? No. A game being released in early access is a black mark on the game itself and speaks to its bad quality.
>Tfw only ever bought two early access games
Rimworld and PUBG.
Still play both.