Do you think it will be a brilliant RPG and one of the best games in the Warhammer universe?
Do you think it will be a brilliant RPG and one of the best games in the Warhammer universe?
Do you think it will be a brilliant RPG and one of the best games in the Warhammer universe?
Devs mentioned they have a campaign of tabletop RT ongoing while they develop this game. So I know that the people working on it have experience with both real RPGs and RT which is more than 99% of the shitheads b***hing about how it's not faithful to the source material will have.
Source material is always in conflict with itself and gets retconned a lot over time.
The only thing you can do is pretend the newer lore is the truth, if you're a hipster.
Or pretend the older lore is the truth, if you're old fart.
A few devs on the team running a shitty campaign means jack shit.
Some vfx artist, a programmer and some qa dude roleplaying will result in the game getting better and more faithful how?
Owlcat is a very small studio, 5 people is like 15% of the whole dev team.
I assume the rest also plays ttrpgs, they just didn't mention it.
They are 120 employees these days. But for whatever reason they can still only work on 1 game at a time.
I suppose most of them are just worthless overhead.
>Owlcat is a very small studio, 5 people is like 15% of the whole dev team.
You're deranged and clueless if you think this is the case.
>I suppose most of them are just worthless overhead.
Management at Owlcat is atrociously bad, which has been proven twice so far.
The problem is if it IS faithful to the source material
Modern 40k is dramatically worse than 40k 10 years ago
>dramatically worse
Nonsense. I want the goddamn plot to move forward and that's been delivered.
I don't want an end times scenario, but I did want the static galaxy to evolve.
That was Battletech's thing, being a pseudohistorical (and primarily a novel franchise in terms of canonicity). 40k as it was prior to Rowboat's return and Abaddon's skullfricking of Cadia was less centralized around the exploits of powerful supergods, allowing for smaller plots to thrive.
>allowing for insignificant plots to thrive.
Fixed that for you.
It worked in this game because they just want to sell plastic models.
But they won't be able to in the future when everybody just 3D print their things. That's why they have to evolve their IP so it can be used in other media like television and video games.
It's gonna be a degerate mess full of slavic "go frickyourself" autist design with shit like puzzles, useless minigames, bad writing, horrible voice acting for companions - and great for non-companion npcs - poor balancing and overly ambitious plans that they will never fully deliver.
Also woke garbage
Seething lariancell
show us breasts
a fricking fact
if anything wotr showed that they are incapable of fixing poor game-design and resource management choices, and they are going to fall for all the same mistakes again
I would prefer Warhammer Fantasy but this does seem like it will be kino and easily the best thing GW has given the license to
>owlcat
No, it will be shit. They're talentless hacks.
>I would prefer Warhammer Fantasy but this does seem like it will be kino and easily the best thing GW has given the license to
Won't even be half as good as Mechanicus.
Mechanicus is boring as frick. Acquire some taste before posting.
I'm pretty excited. Owlcat is usually pretty solid so I'm sure they'll do a good job.
I think the batshit insanity of 40k fits owlcat perfectly. It'll probably be better than kingmaker or wrath.
I'm fearful of too much wokeness, that doesn't fit at all with Warhammer 40k, it should be dark, gory and dreadful. Judging by the artstyle presented so far, looks far from that description.
>Do you think it will be a brilliant RPG
No, but I think it will be decent.
> and one of the best games in the Warhammer universe?
Yes, because there is no real competition, is there?
>Yes, because there is no real competition, is there?
Dawn of War games
Chaos Gate
Daemonhunters
Space Marine
Total War Warhammer series
Mechanicus
>Dawn of War
Current gen doesn't know this exists and thinks it looks ugly if they find it (it also doesn't match current tabletop art style)
>Space Marine
Generic third person shooter with a very bad multiplayer
>Total Warhammer
Not 40K, you should be saying Vermintide if you're bringing up Fantasy because that one was a bigger hit
>Mechanicus
You're joking, right?
>You're joking, right?
You're kidding yourself if you think Owlcat will produce a WH40K game that not only captures WH40K as well as it did, but executes on it as well as it did.
In terms of execution, it is 50x better than anything Owlcat has produced so far.
Owlcat won't even be able to surpass the intro of the game in terms of capturing 40K.
It's a little bit edgy, gives me the traitor mechanicus vibes.
But I mostly find it interesting because don't know much about the internal struggles inside their faction since they are rarely the main character.
>It's a little bit edgy, gives me the traitor mechanicus vibes.
Shows how much you know about the Mechanicus faction.
Yes, this is important. If you don't think so, it shows how clueless you are about game and system design.
If you want an extensive answer and don't want to take my word for here, then here you go
https://jesawyer.tumblr.com/post/161302725596/balance-in-single-player-crpgs
By all means feel free to refute that. You can't, but go ahead and try, if you can.
Your personal preference doesn't matter, what matters here is their execution, which can be observed objectively.
If we compare how both companies executed on their their prior games and also look at how Mechanicus was executed upon as a WH40k game, it's very clear that the chance of Owlcat surpassing Mechanicus in terms of executition is slim. To put it mildly.
Because so far, Owlcat hasn't really demonstrated that they learn from their mistakes.
Good for you then. I just think it's a shame the project was given to the studio with the complete and utter inability to execute on the idea well. A studio so far utterly incapable of making a quality product.
Trying to find the good in their games and enjoy them is like someone desperate for a girlfriend
>well she's not good looking
>she's not funny or fun to talk to
>she's obese and not very hygienic
>she's lazy, doesn't want to work or help out at home
>.... but, at least it's a girl
I'm not any of those anons, but people won't stop enjoying objectively good crpgs produced by owlcat, just because you're autistic and suffering from the lack of empathy. Opinions of people who like their games are superior to yours, because they are able to see and critique the weak and outright terrible parts.
Meanwhile, you'll be trying to convince people how they only like character creation, literally everything is terrible, and everyone has to kneel before your massive ego. This is a neverending cycle of arguing for the sake of arguing, you'll never be able to convince someone, and your only allies are people who opened a thread about the game they dislike because they want to be angry or feel smug.
I'm talking about qualities which can be gauged objectively, not your subjective opinion on your experience with the game when playing it.
>Opinions of people who like their games are superior to yours
This is an insanely moronic statement to make. You're flat out stating that people with a stronger bias have more valuable opinions because of their bias. You also contradict yourself in claiming that these biased people can gauge things more objectively, which is actually the exact opposite of reality.
For example, Owlcat's games are objectively
>poorly managed
>extremely unpolished in terms of tech & balance
If you want to bring bias into it and claim their are "very polished, with no real bugs, issues or imbalances" you make it clear you're too biased to the discuss Owlcat and their games. Meaning you're not qualified to discuss said topic.
When it comes to execution (which can be gauged), there are a lot of things Owlcat are very bad at. But even worse, so far they haven't demonstrated an ability to improve and learn from their mistakes. Then again, that once again speaks to the poor management.
moronic lorelet. rejecting the flesh and going full a.i. IS what the traitor mechanicus would do.
>moronic lorelet. rejecting the flesh and going full a.i. IS what the traitor mechanicus would do.
Thanks for confirming you don't know a single thing about Mechanicus lore and probably 40k lore at all, for that matter.
Even every single "loyalist" Mechanicus are "heretics". They are simply exempt because the Emperor allowed it and because the Imperium needs Mechanicus and Mars.
I have no interest in speaking with ignorant people, so you won't get another reply from me to educate you.
Thanks for admitting you are moronic.
>admits he only has the superficial knowledge of
>HURRRR AI BAD
>but not how the imperium and the mechanicus separate AI, cogitators, machine spirits, their cult, etc.
>doesn't even see how most of the imperium is heretical, be it mechanicus or not, and would not be approved of by the emperor. even something simple like the emperor hating religion and cults, abolishing it, yet the irony being that after his "death" it created a religion and cult surrounding him
>the mechanicus flat out call him omnissiah
>etc
All of this is LITERALLY surface level shit, requiring even the most basic knowledge and perception. Meaning you do not even possess that and to top it all off, are devoid of any self-awareness. As you will no doubt prove with your next shitpost.
>I have no interest in speaking with ignorant people, so you won't get another reply from me to educate you.
The thing about morons is they are not just dumb, but also pathological liars.
quote is directly from lore, not the devs
The thing is, current day imperium can hardly be the arbiter of what if heretical and what isn't. Even Guilliman himself think the current day Imperium is moronic.
Based Sawyer. POE 1 and 2 are so much better than Owlcat's Pathfinder shlock
Stop squabbling in the mud and ascend the path of enlightenment and enjoy both series.
Enjoying Pathfinder is squabbling in the mud, anon. That applies to both the CRPGs and the tabletop
Considering poe 1/2 exist the only reason to play owlcat games is if you love pathfinder system [or have a bad taste]
Not that anon but I honestly would prefer shlock than POE mind numbing boredom. A shame since eora had some neat ideas.
>I can't enjoy more than one rpg series
Depressing lack of an interior life.
They can't. They don't like games or rpgs for that matter and they only enjoyment They get out of life is being angry on Ganker.
But he explicitly said that he likes a different crpg series. Why are tranoids so moronic?
>troony
Go away newbie normalBlack person. He dosen't enjoy anything, hence why he is on Ganker b***hing about a game he won't play by a developer he dosen't buy from.
I unfortunately did play Kingmaker and I will never get those hours of my life back. Now please kindly return
2016 was a mistake. Go back.
Anyone who acts like b***hing about the shitty state of things on Ganker is somehow bad has not been here long.
Can you two homosexuals frick already.
Please anon don't get the troony excited. He'll pop a stitch.
>Mechanicus captured W40k well
Lmao no, the attrocious blizzcancer artstyle. Game was good though.
Only two games ever did capture it properly. Space Hulk and Blackmunda Hired Gun, both from autists from Streum On. The games are meh, but the artstyle, environment, atmosphere - they are only ones who got W40k right.
It's an rpg board so somehow I only thought about RPGs.
Still, for me it will probably land to be in the top, cause I'm not a big fan of strategies and for most of those games when I played them I just felt like I'd rather play a different game of similar genre (like Warcraft 3 instead of Dawn of War, and Shogun when it comes to Total War).
>less pozzed than pozzo
>gothic spesh in a spaceless rpg field
Don't really see many downsides. I could worry about wokeness as usual but woke garbage is on the decline everywhere and I have better things to do while preparing for utter leftist collapse.
Vermintide 2 is still "the best thing with the license" to me though.
8/10 game, that would be 9.5 without bugs, weird minigame/amanagement and weirder pace towards the end.
But build autism, replayability and decent to great combat scenarios will make me play more than once
Owlcat are fricking atrocious at game design.
It was bad enough when they used Pathfinder, but if they have to make their own combat systems and what have you, then the game will be dogshit.
> but if they have to make their own combat systems and what have you, then the game will be dogshit.
Is it so hard to have any fricking clue what the game discussed here is even about, you goddam mongoloid?
Not many people know about Rogue Trader, but it kinda goes to his point that Owlcat only makes games with existing mechanics. It's because they suck.
I would assume they would know about goddamn warhammer, at least
Sure man, whatever
>they
please to be going back to the reddit at your earliest convenience
>Sure man, whatever
Nice of you not present a single argument against it.
>Owlcat poopoo at everything
It's not like you have substantiated anything. I'd have to do all the goddamn work for what? To convince a random seething moron his tastes are bad?
Arguments aren't even really needed, clown.
For example, are their games polished? No, they're not. Do you disagree?
Is their games well balanced? No, they're not. Do you disagree?
Etc.
Every single thing you disagree with would indicate how low your bar actually is. Meaning this idea of them making "great" games to be one big joke. They are devoid of talent as a company. Which is natural since it consists of literal who devs with no real experience or talent. They're also terribly managed in terms of leadership and can't manage time or resources for shit, further cementing how they're not talented as a studio.
They don't make good games. They make games that if you can stomach them and sift through the shit, you can find nuggets of enjoyment.
>balance
>in a singleplayer game
Good thing you've outed yourself as a complete moron before I wasted my time reading your post.
Owlcats have a great trackrecord and their next game is going to be great too.
Seeth more.
were does this meme come from?
>useless deadend options makes everything a chore
>OP option makes everything piss easy and repetitive for the next 40 hours after you figure out what's OP
singleplayer games need balance and you are just a legit moron
maybe an autist who enjoys pressing the same button for 40-80 hours
Oh boy can't wait to give every single character heavy weapons training and an autocannon. If you've never played an FFG 40k game, you're in for a rude awakening. Cool system, but even easier to break than DnD.
If they're copypasting the rulesets it will also be shit.
Fact is, Owlcat are dogshit at pretty much everything.
>writing
>system design
>balancing
>polish
>narrative design
>characters
To even stomach their games your bar has to be set astronomically low.
>Do you think it will be a brilliant RPG and one of the best games in the Warhammer universe?
>Owlcat
lol no
>insane low IQ tards seeth because a company whi they don't like are going to make a game they won't buy or play.
Why do you gays enjoy being angry?
Warrior spirit. A limp-wristed pansy like you wouldn't understand.
>incels seething furiously behind their computer screens
>warrior spirit
>calling a kettle a kettle somehow makes you angry
Only one that's upset here is you.
Because I would play it if this homosexual company wasn't going to shit all over one of my favorite IPs
we still are gonna buy it though lol (with a discount)
it's not like there are a ton of at the very least decent crpgs these days
>we
No.
Didn't buy wotr either because owlcat used their newbie dev pass on kingmaker and turned out to be just another unoriginal mediocre studio pushing out tired shit.
Pass, maybe pirate or try for free on gamepass to see how raped the original lore is here.
>all the seething replies for getting called.
Kek. Stay mad that I'll have fun with this rpg while you wallow in anger frens. Playin wrath right now too and havin fun :^)
You won't be having fun in Hell after you off yourself
No u.
christians think that i fear “hell” or “pain”. I wonder why that is?
because they hate gay people for no reason
Not hate, disgusted is more like it.
I know you don't fear Hell otherwise you wouldn't be such a degenerate flagrant sinner. Your fear or belief doesn't matter because unless you turn to Christ and confess your sins, you will burn, homie.
>having fun playing shit games
>thinks this upsets anyone
people with standards just play better games. it's not like owlcat will be able to make a better wh40k game than mechanicus anyway, which is pretty funny since it was made by another small nobody who dev.
>one of the best games in the Warhammer universe
That's a low bar. The "best" 40k games were mediocre RTS games whose only lasting impact was flooding /tg/ with secondaries.
>Enjoying that another RPG gets made
The future is bright.
Anon, please. I just ate.
Absolutely patrician, I kneel.
>top 6 games for the mentally impaired
/lgbt/'s favorite "games".
Go back to your containment, you subhuman garbage.
You two can share this.
fallout 1 and 2 are literally a queer critique of american culture
The first 2 fallouts aren't even on it
If the uninspired cast is any indication, this will be as exciting as a rice cracker.
>muh lore
>muh canon
hopefully they do what troika did when they made vtmb. toss all the dumb setting crap out and keep anything they think could be cool.
Unfortunately Gay Wokeshop is extremely protective of its IP and the game will just be a cheap advert for whatever 300£ box of plastic crap they're selling that year
>brilliant RPG
No
>one of the best games in the Warhammer universe
Still possible, but that is more about the quality of Warhammer games than it being good.
>Do you think it will be a brilliant RPG
>owlcat
lmao
roflcofl
lol even
Dpends on if shitty basic writing in previous games was because Golarion is a shit setting or because owlcats failed compulsory composition back at school
That looks a little stupid and wacky. Those classes don't look like they should mesh in the same IP. Doubt it can pull all that off without being corny.
The game will probably be nigh unplayable first six months or so after the release and the story will be shit as usual.
I'll still buy and play it though, autism filled gameplay is what I'm in for. Especially now that it's in an actually good setting.
Why is this moron spouting off about Mechanicus? A tactics game that isnt an crpg. The devs of that game have not shown any ability whatsoever to make an actual rpg. A game that is also outclassed by chaos gate daemonhunters, another tactics game. Secondaries I swear.
>being illiterate
It's about the execution and understanding of the setting.
The devs of Mechanicus succeeded at both with a small team and budget, Owlcat will fail at both with a large team and large budget.
If you want me to judge Owlcat's ability to make RPGs as well, then their failiure is astronomical.
>It's about the execution and understanding of the setting
Even if they do interpret it differently, why does that make you so butthurt? There is no justifiable reason behind other than wanting it to fit neatly with a series already full of retcons and "pc stuff"
>even if the developers have a poor understanding of this long running well-established IP, why do you care, chud?
>soijack
It has nothing to do with their understanding of the ip, and you shouldn't even care about that because obviously you don't understand it if you're reacting like this to the mere possibility of a different interpretation from what you have in your head.
There is no "interpretation." It's not subjective. The setting is very clearly defined.
>There is no "interpretation".
You already demonstrated how braindead you are when you called people like Cawl a heretic.
That was your interpretation of the setting. Arrogant dumbfricks like you who think they know it all in a setting that isn't even consistent with itself in the first place.
That wasn't me you dumb Black person.
Look man it's time for you to leave. You are not ever going to make trannies or homosexuals acceptable on Ganker. You can't change the culture here without full on reddit moderation and that's never going to happen. Just give it up and go home.
>troony
>troony
>troony
Why are you so obsessed with trannies? That anon mentioned nothing about them but you fall over yourself to bring them up. It's frickin bizarre.
He went off on some unhinged rant about Space Marine gender theory. He was 100% dilating while typing that post with his free hand.
He mentioned gender and how space marines are devoid of sex(gender). You brought up trannies. They live rent free in your head.
Nobody is trying to "make" Ganker anything. Im illustrating a point about the 40k universe that displays his paranoia about "SJW"s
No, something like Postal was trying to be as politically incorrect as possible. 40k is just a sci-fi fantasy world.
It isnt a theory it is literally Canon. Explain to me why a space marine would identify as a gender? What possible purpose could a social construct like gender serve a fricking space marine?
Yep you are definitely either a troll or a huge homosexual. You wont get anything more from me. It says "hate" on that space marine gauntlet btw.
In what fricking world does space marines having hate on them mean they have to be men? My point is all of these things you think are insane ramblings from "SJW"s are already part of the universe and youre just looking for reasons to hate something when it is actually being more true to the source than you want it to be. And this isn't even a real game its some worst case scenario thing this guy made up in his head
>My point is all of these things you think are insane ramblings from "SJW"s are already part of the universe
No, they aren't. It's just your deranged fantasy.
Space Marines are men you stupid homosexual. They are not trannies or non-binary or whatever gets you off while you're dilating your festering wound. They are ubermen.
>What possible purpose could a social construct like gender serve a fricking space marine?
Because there are Space Marines who actually frick, you moron.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lukas_(Space_Wolves)
>doesn't undestand the difference of fricking before becoming a space marine
>grapsing this desperately to try and justify gender politics
You have no clue what's going on with the setting. And, even if they did something to it, who cares? They don't "objectively" have to do anything to match up with the setting.
And btw, Space Marines are mostly non-binary. Once they become Marines only the barest aspects of gender as a concept are left over from when they were human which is why they refer to each other as Brother and such. As a social concept though the whole idea of "gender" to a Space Marine is mostly alien and, well, pointless. It doesn't help them blast xenos and heretics in the name of the Emperor any better so why would they bother to retain the information/customs?
Not that anon, but you sound a bit like homosexual.
Just explaining how the supposedly "pc" stuff he's so worried about is already present in the canon
Not really.
Oh ok I guess that post doesn't exist then
No I am simply baffled by that statement. Non binary wtf? Call me chud I dont care. You sound suspicious.
40k is a simple setting that stole shit from tons of other just cause they could. Its big evil heroic ( cause evil and satirical is cool) dudes in big armor, fighting other big burly monsters, abominations, sexy bdsm elves etc. It springs from heavy Metal magazine type lunacy, from men to men.
It tried to be as politically incorrect as possible with its grimdark emphasis. Like Judge Dredd.
So what the frick are you on about?
>Call me chud I dont care
Does anyone ever care? It's the most toothless insult on the Internet.
>Like Judge Dredd
Judge Dredd isn’t some edgelord series. Children read it in the UK dumbass.
Anon I read it all. Its pretty edgelord.
That’s normal British humour nothing edgelord about it. Like I said children read it.
>Burgers find this edgy
You can’t be serious
As a burger I disavow that anon
Holy shit this is the most abhorrent post I've ever read. Please have a nice day immediately.
I dont really know much about 40k so this post helped a lot.
>Even if they do interpret it differently, why does that
Because it's not about "not following the lore", it's about how the setting is set up and established. It creates a certain tone and has certain established things.
For example, romacing a Space Marine is so insanely retared that to event attempt to justify it you would have to write something 10x more moronic than what's established in the setting or flat out ignore and retcon basically everything of what makes a Space Marine a Space Marine.
That could maybe be fine in a bubble, if the reason is good enough. But all that for another poorly written and romance?
Or maybe since Orks don't really have genders and such, why not use Orks to tackle non-binary topics from today? Where there's a "misunderstood" Ork that doesn't identify with established gender norms, thats wants to be addressed as "they".
In the context of this setting and pretty much everything that makes up what an Ork and Ork society is. This is mindblowingly moronic and makes no sense at all.
And for what? To shoehorn in some overdone and poorly written part to try and make you think about non-binary people differently?
This is precisely why something like Star Trek Picard is such a massive piece of shit. It's hack writing.
As a hexadecimal person I concur, not everything has to pander to me 16 times over.
> I want a WH40K game made by Ruskies!
I mean there are a lot of crap games in the Warhammer universe. Let's just start with that for a moment. It will be better than most of them at the very least. Not that the Warhammer universe is even that good but a lot of secondary fans hype it up to be more than it is. In one way it can't be less appealing than a miniatures game made for British autists to play at their local community centers. On the other hand it will never live up to the fever dreams people have while high on drugs with a 5 hour long Warhammer lore video playing.
You know Warhammer 40k is the Dr. Who of table top games. It all comes from the minds of boring Englishmen and the fans talk it up like it's the most amazing thing ever: 'no but you see it's bigger on the inside.' Then you actually try it and you're left wondering if you just tried the wrong version, but all the versions are just as naff. Then you get all this talk about the companies screwing it up when the source material screws itself up. It's just like that vampire game with quasi-religious fans that imploded. It ain't that great in the first place.
Everyone thought the books were trash until all these lore youtubers peddled them to impressionable yanks
Here's the thing. The setting, factions, etc. are interesting and leave a lot of room for neat and inventive things to be done as a game.
Take this game for instance. They chose Rogue Traders, someone that can have a party of the craziest shit, yet chose the blandest set of charactes for your party possible.
That sets the tone for how uninspired and bland this game will be.
It's not a problem if people are just having fun but like
says some of these fans are the impressionable kind. By some I mean probably the majority today, let's be honest. Something about those kinds of fans is they're always looking to prove how authentic they are as fans and go the extra mile with their screeching. It's a naff setting and the best thing Owlcat can do is not take it too seriously.
>It's a naff setting and the best thing Owlcat can do is not take it too seriously.
Making a goofy clownshow isn't ideal for this setting. If they write it and make it like Pathfinder it will be jarring and awful. If they drag in any modern sensibilities or political correctness it will be awful. If they try and have a lot of romances it will be awful.
>If they write it and make it like Pathfinder it will be jarring and awful. If they drag in any modern sensibilities or political correctness it will be awful. If they try and have a lot of romances it will be awful.
So you're saying it's going to be awful.
Judging by their history, it's going to a be very solid and enjoyable rpg with a memorable cast of companions, and it will spawn countless threads long after its release. But very buggy and with some moronic management mechanic nobody asked for.
>very solid and enjoyable rpg with a memorable cast of companions
Interesting alternate dimension you're living in. Pretty sure everyone agrees that the games are wildly inconsistent with poorly designed things everywhere and that the characters are bad.
Are those "everyone" in the same room as you right now?
I forgot that they're so good at design that their titular systems like the Kindom system or the army systems are amaz- oh wait, they stuck shit and still suck shit to this day.
I also forgot how they messed up even simple things like having way too good loot being found in random barrels and shit in cities, like actual high level armor.
Truly when I think of "solid" games, I think of Pathfinder. Well designed and polished is what Owlcat is best at.
>Judging by their history, it's going to a be very solid and enjoyable rpg with a memorable cast of companions, and it will spawn countless threads long after its release.
On the other hand, Rogue Trader is the most "adventurous" part of the setting. After all, from the outset you're playing an uber privileged person with immense wealth and more freedom than 99,999999% people in the Imperium.
The setting doesn't lend itself well to subjects modern shitty writers like to cover, nor the style Owlcat likes, nor romances.
Romancing a Space Marine is moronic, romancing a Sister is moronic, romancing an Eldar is moronic. But you can bet your ass Owlcat will shoehorn this in, since that's what their fans like, despite it being incredibly stupid in the context of the setting.
There is at least 1 "person" at Owlcat rn wracking their brain on how to fit a lesbian trans Eldar companion into the game.
>romancing an Eldar is moronic
Frick you, Love can bloom.
>nor romances
Ciaphas Cain would like a word with you.
>thinks a human is the same as romancing a space marine, sister or eldar
Even so, shitty romances would only make the game worse, not better.
But if your goal is low brow trash, then by all means dump a bunch of shitty romances into the game.
Infantile
Yes I know, manchildren love shitty romances in their RPGs.
40k is already low brow schlock what the frick are you expecting
Point is that the strength of the setting is in leaning into the over the top nature of the setting.
Inserting modern gender identity topics, shitty romances and such does neither fit, doesn't make sense and is just plain shit in the first place.
Not only that, this stuff has been overdone and is always executed in the same shallow way. It'd be better to try to do something that isn't done in every other shitty RPG, especially when the setting allows it.
You only come across as someone that either wants boilerplats trash romances or the same gender identify/sexuality crisis scenario that's littering media.
Rogue Trader was always a breakaway from the typical fare of 40k and got to show that there can be more to it than that one shallow layer of war-centric, hyper xenophobic, next level authoritarianism that defines most of the franchise. If a few optional lines of dialogue from one of your companions, which is all these romance subplots ever amount to in these games, ruins the whole thing for you, that kinda just sounds like a you problem.
>Rogue Trader was always a breakaway from the typical fare of 40k and got to show that there can be more to it than that one shallow layer of war-centric, hyper xenophobic, next level authoritarianism that defines most of the franchise. If a few optional lines of dialogue from one of your companions, which is all these romance subplots ever amount to in these games, ruins the whole thing for you, that kinda just sounds like a you problem.
Sounds like you're the kind of person that enjoys that kind of overdone, heavy-handed, malplaced and guaranteed trash. Someone that actually wants it in this game.
Someone that thinks crap like Star Trek Picard is great and fits Star Trek and Picard as a character perfectly. Especially since you're incapable of seeing the issues here.
Anyone that wants trash like gender politics and shit like that in a 40k game is a fricking moron.
Honestly, I think you just hate black people. And women. And I get it. RPG's used to be the domain of straight white boys/men. Oldschool RPG's were made to appeal to you; worlds packed with lots of races, but they're almost all white, with very few diverse characters or civilizations at the forefront. And you had a dirge of female leaders, instead you had hordes of damsels in distress to boost your fragile egos and reinforce tired gender stereotypes, and female NPC's and party members throwing themselves at you for no good reason, because you think every woman owes you their bodies.
That's gone though. It must be hard to adapt. But you're going to have to do it, or find another hobby, sadly.
>I think you just hate black people. And women.
Nice moronic and baseless assumption to make. I can guarantee you're more of a racist and sexist than me.
It's about
>doing something that makes sense for the setting & established lore
>doing something that makes use of the strenth of the setting & established lore
>not regurgitating the same heavy-handed "message" that has been done in the exact same way over and over across all media. this can be executed well and interesting ways, but it pretty much never is because it's written by hack writers with too much ego and too little self-awarenes
Take Star Trek for instance. The entire point is that humanity "made it". Poverty, class segregation, racism, sexism, etc. is all gone. It's supposed to bea more optimistic and ideal future where we tackle things together.
In modern (read: trash) Star Trek this is all ignored and gone. Instead they insert modern day sensibilities and try and tackle things like racism in the same old tired and heavy-handed ways that don't make a lick of sense for the setting. While also completely changing how established characters and lore behave just to fit said heavy-handed and cliché writing.
This is the definition of hack writing.
For 40k, doing something like trying to insert the same tired old anti-racism against blacks or some shit or an Ork wanting to be refered as a gender neutral pronoun is the most tone deaf thing ever. It's also once again
Ex, there are tons of strong female characters in 40k games and lore, but it's not made a big deal out of it. Because it's not a big deal in the setting. It's accepted that men and women should fight for their continued survival.
So if you then do the tired old
>I AM a woman, I AM your commander and you will LISTEN to me you MALE sexist pig
You're not only doing the same old tired tone deaf shit, but you're directly highlighting that you think a female commander in is an exception and not something a female could normally achieve
The only """"sexism"""" present is that mixed Imperial Guard regiments are uncommon, for obvious reasons (fricking and romance drama).
>you just hate black people
Yes
>And women
Nah
>Mom, I posted it again
As opposed to high brow moments in 40K like Fulgrim fricking a corpse?
Ciaphas banged the only sane people in the setting. He never stuck his dick in a xenos and discharged more than one thing when he got it stuck in crazy.
Pick up literally any other book and you'll find everyone else is written either insane, gritty or both, often with stereotypes taken directly from the rulebooks. Space Marines themselves are supposed to be moronic and do not understand why humans are embarrassed at being naked, let alone care for their feelings or their bodies.
>don't care for their bodies
Yep, like pre-Heresy Emperor's Children? Or Blood Angels and their successor chapters? Or maybe the Red Scorpions? Sorry, but there are plenty of chapters where Space Marines pay attention ot their appearance.
>Sorry, but there are plenty of chapters where Space Marines pay attention ot their appearance.
Could you explain what you mean because the closest to Space Marines fricking a human I'm aware of are Norscans in Fantasy.
>Ciaphas was also firmly within the Imperium throughout his career
He met T'au.
>and some Eldar bawd started laying it on thick
Those only exist in your cringe inducing fanfiction and Commorragh, neither of which Ciaphas would be seen in.
Ciaphas was also firmly within the Imperium throughout his career, not a decadent privateer sailing in uncharted waters. If he didn't have his reputation with the powers that be to worry about and some Eldar bawd started laying it on thick, you know he'd be down. Also you aren't playing everyone else, you're playing a Rogue Trader, the most not everyone else kind of character the setting has.
They already confirmed via twitter that there is no space marine romance.
That they haven't confirmed that there aren't any romances is enough to disregard this game altogether. There is no love in 40k, only hate.
Edgy
>It's a naff setting and the best thing Owlcat can do is not take it too seriously.
The best thing they can do is farm it out to a real developer.
Name a real dev. I'm waiting.
Best these days would be giving it to Obsidian and hoping they push out something closer to Pillars than Outer Worlds, but even they fall short of older standards from pre-EA Bioware and Troika. Its less to do with a specific studio and more to do with getting a good writer on it, since most studios are capable of making a 'game' but making it memorable takes someone talented.
The real issue is that there isn't a single good RPG dev right now. Larian, Owlcat, Obsidian, Bethesda, Bioware, etc. are all inadequate.
At this point it's enough to make me stop playing RPGs entirely, because why waste countless hours on mediocre at best trite.
Every dev studio is pozzed, it's just more apparent in RPGs because there's so much opportunity for proselytizing their cult. It's especially bad because so many writers are women now. Gotta hire women, but they can rarely code so you hire them as writers and community liaisons. It's really a terrible pandemic.
This is all buzzwords. Explain in particular what is supposedly so lacking
>brilliant RPG
doubtful
>one of the best games in the Warhammer universe?
maybe, that's not a high bar to clear
Consdering how well Owlcat writes evil or neutral characters I think it will be quite great from character standpoint. And they are willing to make paths like Swarm so in terms of choices and writing I think it will be really good as well. The bugs may be the biggest issue here and whatever Kingdom/Crusade management they may try to shoehorn in (unless they wont which would be nice). I think in terms of first 40k CRPG it will be quite good if not great. Let's just hope it does well so there will be more 40k CRPGs.
Anon, even the RPG system the game is based on has detailed ship management, resource and crew management, and naval combat. Owlcat WANTS to implement those systems, otherwise they would've chosen Dark Heresy, which is a straight investigative/action/intrigue RPG set in that very same Sector of the 40K setting.
Well... If that happens then I pray it will not be as annoying as other 2. Also at least there is less chance for bootleg Heroes 3 with what you described so it should be more okay than WOTR one.
>Consdering how well Owlcat writes evil or neutral characters
I remember what it was like to be 11 years old.
No doubt, it's not hard to remember what was only a year ago.
If I were 12 then I too would probably think Owlcat wrote interesting evil and neutral characters. Then again I don't think I was even that dumb when I was 12.
This board had multiple Farquaad's threads as well. Why should people care about every single homosexual who makes a low quality shitposting thread?
>Consdering how well Owlcat writes evil or neutral characters
We have a thread right now about how they're bad at it.
I think they are not. Regill is prime example of that.
When the hell did Owlcat attract so many spergs? Did adding the troony really mind break you poltards?
They don't play the games, and basically live on these forums. Hence the obsession - it is their life.
>no breasts on the sororitas
It will be trash.
She taped them down but as her relationship with you grows she'll unbind them until she's a normal big tiddy sorry.
Who is the girl in the back supposed to be?
its been a while since I gave a frick about 40k. its becoming more like starcraft everyday
Astropath?
Navigator? Yeah you are probably right.
When a game wants to be all serious be my guest, but it is really crazy we live in such traumatized times that even heavy metal magazine legacy inspired shit schlock like 40k also gets the censor.
They are misters of battle. They all have man face, so lack of breasts is perfect.
They are supposed to be statuesque dominatrix bimbo catholic nuns anon. You could just say you are gay I dont mind I am not a chud.
No. They miniatures have always had manface.
So did the eldar girls.
>misters of battle
Oh you.
what some good sources to get into 40K lore? is it all a shared universe?
Only moronic aspergers take the lore seriously.
>seriously
why do you think i want to take it seriously i just want something fun to watch/read
>Owlcat's Rogue Trader
Extremely low expectations for a licensed cashgrab
>Do you think it will be a brilliant RPG
Probably. Owlcat has a good track record so far, so it'll be a good game a few months after its initial launch.
>Do you think it will be a brilliant RPG
>Owlcat
Probably not
no space pirates no buy
I'm just praying that they dont directly use stats from the tabletop because that conflicts with he lore. Else we'll get shit where some rusted hammer does more dmg than a bolter.
>I'm just praying that they dont directly use stats from the tabletop
Are you expecting Owlcat to balance the game? lol are you in for disappointment. It will be a 1:1 port of the tabletop rules. Owlcat is a shit dev studio that only makes tabletop ports because they are incapable of creating their own game systems. Note that the 2 game systems they created within the Pathfinder games (kingdoms and crusading) are fricking awful.
Might be up to GW if they use the RPG's or their own system.
I am a 40k non secondary, so yes.
Will go either Commissar or Imperial guard soldier background. Will romance sister of battle
Based. I also want to play with a Commissar background and romance a sister of battle. I just hope Owlcat add some decent armor options for people that don't want to use power armor
Nice and I agree, hopefully they'll put in some good-looking carapace armor and other cool non-power armor like the death korp of krieg's grenadiers.
I want embellished versions of flak and carapace armor that reflect the wealth of the RT
I would like high fashion in general to have some attention in the game, but I don't think it will be a priority. Hopefully I'm proven wrong.
It would be nice if you could have items that affect gameplay outside of combat, like giving you more options in dialog and et cetera, like a fricking bolter cane
That would basically force the developers to have a relatively small number of weapon types, since it would be obvious those that unlock such extra features would be favoured by players.
It's for that same reason I'm not sure whether psychic backgrounds (Psyker; Navigator; Astropath) should be available to the Player Character - they should unlock so many extra options/features/dialogue choices that nobody in their right mind would play anything else.
>cont.
The same with a Mechanicus background. Just having access to the noosphere would require an immense number of alterations - basically ANY interaction with a piece of technology would look different for that one background, as opposed to anyone else.
It would be possible if they: a) kept it separate from normal fighting, you wouldn't take a cane to a battlefield. Make the game have sections where you are not expecting heavy fighting thus you won't be wearing heavy armor, won't be heavily armored and items like bolter cane, laser eyes, personal shield embedded on rings could make a difference.
b) Their effect can be both positive and negative, maybe you find during your explorations a xenos artifact that can't help you persuading merchants in one quest, but if you try to use it in another will turn the xenos hostile because they are of a different creed or whatever, then while it gives you extra dialog options the players won't just mindlessly pick it because I doesn't always guarantee success.
c) Balance it by making it obtainable through exploration or developing your worlds, maybe to get laser eye implant you need to develop your forge world to the point they have the means to make one, also make it prohibitively expensive
If you're a hardcore WH40k lore gay, don't you see how the very idea of a character like that existing shits all over the setting which supposedly has ultra rigid social roles and shit?
Honestly, the very lore and setting of 40k makes any small-group-focused, small scale story completely unbelievable.
Who cares? The best thing about 40k is the art, caring about the lore in something made by hundreds of different writers and designers is a waste of time.
i don't care, it's fun and it'll be less lore-rape than what Cawl and girlyman have been doing lately.
No? In 40K canon, Commissars are allowed to lead military units; be part of an Inquisitor's retinue; or even a fricking Warmaster.
I've only read a few books so I'm not very knowledgeable about the overrall lore, but isn't the Warrant of Trade that a grants a Rogue Trader his station inheritable the RT's family? So if a rogue trader decided to leave his warrant of trader to his cousin's son who's a Commissar how does that break the setting? I read on the wiki some RT were originally Navy Officers, I could be wrong so try not to shit too much on me
That's accurate, plus Commissars and other military personnel could also be assigned to Rogue Trader ships for a variety of reasons such as assisting in military expeditions or because a rogue trader pulled some strings and got some Imperial guard personnel assigned
Also didn't Gaunt take control of a guard regiment? There's a precedent for Commissar going beyond their regular duties
Anon, Gaunt eventually becomes Warmaster.
Well, that's a fricking spoiler
You're outside of the Imperium as a Rogue Trader. Those ultra rigid social roles don't apply, because there's nobody around to enforce them. You, the captain, are the highest authority you know so long as you remain beyond the borders.
Is there an actual list of backgrounds which will be available? I want Navigator, personally.
So far, Commissar, Navy Officer, Crimelord
There's no list but Commissar was confirmed during a stream and navigator is a background on the tabletop (and a companion class), so it's probably also in the game.
I just don't want a situation where the coolest backgrounds (Navigator; Psyker; Astropath; Mechanicus) are relegated as companion-only.
They confirmed your RT will not be a psyker, the navigator and astropath will be companions, and one of the planets in your empire will be controlled by the adeptus mechanicus
Wait, what? You CAN'T PLAY A PSYKER? Are they moronic? So no Astropath or Navigator, as well.
Game dropped.
You will be the Captain, the other classes will be companions who are part of your retinue, because you are forced to play as the Captain, your background will serve as a replacement for the class
Can you give me a source on that?
There was an interview with the Developer where he gave a lot of details regarding the game and talked about the backgrounds, I can't seem to find it though.
But there's a few tweets about it on owlcat's twitter.
https://twitter.com/OwlcatGames/status/1537456766342123520
https://twitter.com/OwlcatGames/status/1544697690847678464
Where's the confirmation that your Rogue Trader can't be a sanctioned psyker? There's no lore reason he can't be and they confirmed that we choose from two different backgrounds when making our character. Plus, it'd be weird (and wasteful) to make a magic system that only companions can use and not the MC.
As long as self-insert-kun can wield a bolter and a chainsword at the same time and frick everything up I'll be happy with it.
maybe after two years of post releases patches when the basic mechanics finally somewhat work.
the wh40k universe does not fit a small rpg focusing on individual characters.
>people going on about character backgrounds
>when you're a literal ROGUE TRADER
That IS your background. If you don't understand what this means you don't know what a Rogue Trader is.
Owlcat will just shoehorn in that you get a piece of paper, you're now a new rogue traider and you get some important mission to prove yourself. Because they have 0 imagination.
What? Why complicate matters? Being a Rogue Trader can be inherited - simple as that. The Prologue/Chapter 1 will be proving you amongst your family deserves the title.
A bumfrick nobody makes little sense as an inheritor and a background like a Commissar is as random and uninteresting as it gets.
Except you weren't born a Rogue Trader. You're the relative that inherits the Warrant. You have a life leading up to that point beyond just sitting around waiting for your promotion. Kinda sounds like you don't understand what a Rogue Trader is.
I'm saying it's moronic and uninteresting.
What exactly does this utterly pointless background add? Jack shit.
The more pointless choice you give players during creation, the less choice and reactivity you can give players during the actual game. Because the game has to try and factor in all potential choices and the more different they are, the more restrictive the game becomes.
This is something people can't comprehend.
I just want to frick some elf pussy. But I know I wont cause its owlcat.
Both previous games Owlcat has made were lifted almost entirely from existing published TTRPG campaigns. The times they've strayed from the path set down for them they've shown they don't really make satisfying content. They can copy a game well enough and that can be a lot of fun to play--I've enjoyed both their Pathfinder games purely from a mechanics point of view, but I don't really care for any single character in those stories.
That said, its not like there's a lot of better examples of a good story in an rpg these days. Here and there sure, but we're far from quality content almost anywhere in the industry so I don't really have high hopes for this. I expect something very middle of the road that will be enjoyable only in spite of a great deal of boring story beats and dull or irritating character designs.
I just hope GW forces Owlcat to give your character the freedom to be a c**t like everyother WH40K character, rather than shoving a politically correct anti-slavery anti-xenophobia writing in our face
You could be a complete bastard and buy slaves in WOTR, don't see why they wouldn't let you be one in 40k.
So do the ones terrified of woke content like you just not remember all the various and pretty fricked up kinds of evil you could be in their last game? Did the fact that a couple of bit characters being lesbians in the story just overshadow everything else, assuming you even remembered that much about it?
The thing is morality in WH40K is not the same as our enlightened morality in 2022. One thing is letting you do things that are considered imoral today like having slaves in WOTR and then have the game treat you like a monster because of this and another thing is to recognize the realities of the setting and don't punish the player or treat him like him a monster because of it.
One example of a game that does this right is Expeditions: Rome. Slavery was common and not seen as a crime against humanity for most of the Earth during that time and though you have the option to treat your slaves like people or like property the game will not go out of it's way to make you feel bad about because it recognizes that people of that time didn't really give a shit about it.
I'm not asking the game to let me be evil, I hope the game treats subjects like xenophobia, slavery, violence with the same grey lens that that is part of the setting.
Oh ya, I agree
At least one interview has already addressed that members of your party like the Sister and the Eldar aren't going to see eye to eye, and its up to you to mediate those issues or just let them kill each other. Sounds like they're aware of that aspect of the setting to me, and aren't shy about depicted the consequences of it.
I don't like WH.
>globohomosexual rainbow artstyle.
Hard fricking pass. Is there a reason we don't have a containment thread for owlcat gays?
>warhammer 40k videogame
They're usually shit, but we can hope..
>rogue trader
Nevermind, guaranteed shit.
dawn of war 2 is an rpg
The Pathfinder games are the real modern Baldur's Gate 3. Yes they have flaws, especially on the technical side. Yes they have pozzed shit in them but nowhere near as much as Obsidrone falseflaggers want you to believe, it's unironically like 0.1% of the content. No, they're not beginner friendly and they were never meant to be, despite adding journalist difficulty modes and tutorials. They're made for a certain niche, they're made for hardcore CRPG enthusiasts, which is why in both games many of their strengths only reveal themselves after the first 1-2 acts, why the companions seem annoying at first but slowly(!) reveal their true character, why many of the games systems only get to shine on the highest difficulties. Anyone who truly dislikes these games was never a fan of CRPGs to begin with and would be better off with stuff like Dragon Age, Mass Effect or Larians BG3. And there's nothing wrong with that btw, but those are a very different kind of RPG and you know it.
Now show in which context this happens, Obsidrone.
It's funny watching you squirm like that grunt
>haha I'm gonna post a note which is literally supposed to be cringy fanfiction in the game itself
Quick, next post the "cuck" romance where you don't mention that you're the one doing the actual cucking, to the point where the orc kills himself.
You're on the wrong website for this, 90% of all posts here are just shitposting, most people even outright admit that they play like 1-2 games per year and still think they're allowed to have an opinion on the hobby.
>The Pathfinder games are the real modern Baldur's Gate 3
Except they're 100x worse in every regard, but sure.
Yes yes they're the worst games ever and BG3 is fantastic, we get it, now get out of the thread you mentally ill freak.
BG3 is bad too and not a proper BG game, but DOS2.
Shockingly, both can be bad.
>No discussion about starships
>No discussion about possible mechanics
>No discussion about companios that doesn't degenerate into waifuhomosexualry
>No discussion about having different races onboard the ship that doesn't degenerate into waifuhomosexualry
>No discussion about lasguns and bolters
>Kingmaker came out in 2018 and was roughly pozzed, yet people keep being surprised, keep whining about it several years after, it's old fricking news.
Why can't we have one fricking thread where we actually discuss something remotely related to the game, I thought this was this board was videogames rpg, not videogames crying Black folk. But hey, at least farquaad isn't here
>But hey, at least farquaad isn't here
Literally just a few posts above yours, he changed how he posts a little bit but it's still clearly him.
Because getting your hopes up when it comes to Owlcat is setting yourself up for dissapointment.
We know anything about the game?
Isn't it still in development?
How can we talk about something that doesn't exist?
Their last game was rushed, buggy shit so I doubt it.