Elden Ring

Goldmask was right.

The "god is evil" JRPG trope has gotten people so trained to expect this "twist" that they denied the solid voucher of their own eyes and ears. The gods are buttholes and created this whole mess. The other Outer Gods only want to turn the world into their own version of Hell. Within plain sight, you can see that all that is good and grows in the Lands Between, the very light of this world, is a product of the Greater Will and his Golden Order.

>b-but the gods won't have free will!
Good. Frick 'em. They're the ones who started this whole mess in the first place. Ranni is a thirst trap. They think that wanting to frick the blue doll is going to make you turn a blind eye to the fact that she's the one who started this whole mess and that she follows and uncaring god that turns people into blue crystals. The only purpose for the gods should be to carry out the laws of the Greater Will and to uphold the Golden Order. There is no benefit to allowing them to have their own agendas.

The demihumans and fire giants deserved it.

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Also, this is a not-so-subtly rewritten Silmarillion, and everything bad that happens is a result of some attempt to subvert the will of Eru Ilúvatar.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Was evil in that creation not made by Eru?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        To the extent that Melkor was a creation of Eru, sure.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Melkor had his own will, as did the smaller deities like Sauron. The Dwarves were created by the will of the smith god, Eru then gave them a will of their own since only he is able to create that.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That's debatable, it's unclear if Eru created the Forgotten Ones deep below the earth, or Ungoliant. The writing suggests she came from the void, prior to Eru creating Arda. Maybe she, like Eru, is a greater spirit of some kind and Eru isn't an omniscient creator, but just a powerful being that already existed.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          sounds like a coping mechanism to get around how blatantly the whole eru and melkor story is just god and satan

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Eru warns Melkor that no matter how powerful and cunning he thinks he is he is still part of Eru's grand design

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >I made you wrong on purpose, as a joke
          WTF was Eru's problem?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        he allowed it to make his music more beautiful.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Goldmask is enacting what is essentially an A.I. overlord to meticulously calculate every pattern of life like a computer.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      For the gods.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That outer god is just another variant of the god's that already exist in other endings
        You are still enacting an ending where the world is puppeteered by a will that will mold the world just like the others

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, but the Greater Will is the good Outer God and creator of the Erdtree, which is effectively his presence in the Lands Between, and whose designs are generally for the greater good.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >the Greater Will is the good Outer God
            everyone says their outer god is the good outer god...

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              And this is genuinely true for the Greater Will. Once again, the "God is evil" cliche from JRPGs have made you deny the solid voucher of your own eyes. The fruits of the Greater Will's presence in the Lands Between is the Erdtree, the green fields, the great cities, order and prosperity. The fruits of the Scarlet Rot's presence in the Lands Between is Caelid and the Lake of Rot. The fruits of the Formless Mother is Moghwyn Palace. The fruits of the Frenzied Flame is literally everything burning.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >the erdtree
                What good has the tree done anyone exactly? I mean it looks nice, I like it, but you cant just bill it as a good reason to accept the golden order.

                >the great cities
                The one city devoted to the golden order is in shambles and has been for at least decades

                >order and prosperity
                If its order was so wonderful why was the being closest to it and the avatar of its will driven to divorce herself from it hmmmm

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You're right, the state of the Lands Between is in shambles, but this rather explicitly isn't the fault of the Greater Will or his Golden Order, but of the gods trying to separate themselves from the Greater Will and subverting the Golden Order to pursue their own agendas.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >What good has the tree done anyone exactly?

                Used to drop dew that enriched and empowered people. Stopped at one point. The Erdtree currently only functions as a means of reincarnation, which is still pretty fricking big. You get sucked up through the Erdtree's roots, and eventually get reborn as a new person.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >and eventually reborn
                t.elder god from soul reaver, your lies spin a web dumb squid

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >greater will is just an endless cycle of war and recycled souls eaten by the erdtrees
                sounds fricking awful

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                to be human is to fight. dumb communist

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The Greater Will is fantastic and benevolent if you're part of the correct in-group. But if you aren't, even through no fault of your own, get fricked. That's the whole point of Miquella and the creation of the Haligtree. As well as Roguer's motivation in helping the Diskborn. There's enough grey area in the endings that the player can decide that most of the endings can be the "good" ending or perhaps "just" ending from their perspective. Even the Frenzied Flame has a level of justification in its fatalistic destructiveness.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The only reasonable post itt

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >The Greater Will is fantastic and benevolent if you're part of the correct in-group.
                There is no principle of rejection within the Golden Order, that shit is all human hubris.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't the Golden Order a human made theological movement/religion?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It is, he's confusing Golden Order for Greater Will

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Once again, the "God is evil" cliche from JRPGs have made you deny
                No it didnt. I dont know anything about jrpgs

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No, dude, god is evil comes from the gaming being based on Gnosticism to the point they used its art directly in the game and as the basis for its mythology.

                In Gnosticism god tricks you into worshiping him by putting on a pretty show where he does and says all the right things with pretty stuff and beauty to awe you...so by doing so he then has claim over your infinitely powerful soul forever when you die, otherwise you'd go free if you don't worship him. (Souls going going to the Erdtree)

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I'd say the greater will is the least bad one, but the world of elden ring would still be better off without any of them.
                It's like being asked to drink either urine, diarrhea, cyanide or pure acid. Sure, piss is probably the safest option, but you'd rather not.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Nice try but I know an Old One when I see it

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              do you remember which DaS2 video is this gif from?
              I forgot the name

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                ?si=bNDAuPT6vOPEJNra

          • 1 week ago
            ArcaneMaxxer

            >Creator of the Erdtree
            He created the world, based on Hyetta's sermons.

            Marika "created" the Erdtree by transforming the Crucible.
            The Crucible might as well be the only "Inner God" under Marika's rule.
            >It's not a god
            The game has a bunch of entities like the Fell God, or the Formless Mother. You've got Mohg trying to start a new Dynasty surrounding the FM.
            Marika made the world bow to the tree, they make it apparent the Tree is "her god" in the same way followers of other gods shill theirs.

            Basically, I see no reason to not consider the Cruicible/Erdtree a god on par with other outer gods. It has dedicated incants and its powers are incredibly apparent in the setting.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Is that dagoth ur?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      A blatant copy

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Not entirely.

        I don't think Goldmask tried to awake a machine god.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Become the dreamer

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      COME, TARNISHED
      COME AND LOOK UPON THE TREE

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Been too long since I partook of these

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      My homie Dargoth Ur is out here boning hot vampire chicks and smoking skooma

      Not posted up in some woods looking for squirrels that will share their nuts

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Catatonic schizo is right
    Duh

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Many such cases!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You always trust the catatonic schizo

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Every action an actor performs in the world causes suffering, and to stop the suffering you stop doing things. This is a fundamental Buddhist truth that makes it seem as though Buddhists are really just normies trying to turn into schizos when they're way ahead of them.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        This idea is honestly probably not far off from the "merit" of Goldmask's ending. We know there's no way to sustain an eternally plentiful age (materially speaking), so living in the Age of Order will be all about spiritual enlightenment instead. Imagine a Lands Between populated by meditative skinny hobos like Goldmask.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit, volcano manor is a maze

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Sure but the problem is his whole questline is fricking boring and so is he.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer to start fresh
    ordo ab chao

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >start fresh
      Isn't the frenzy ending just burning everything up forever?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Separated at birth?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        opposing ideal brothers is the best trope

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The incarnation of jolly cooperation and the incarnation of invasion.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >miazaky calling invaders loathesome shit eaters
            Based jap

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It's actually pretty funny how obvious it is to draw a comparison between Goldmask's mask and the Frenzied Flame Lord head now that I see stuff like this.
        Which is weird cause I don't think there's anything else linking stuff about the Golden Order to the Frenzied Flame like that, is there?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Which is weird cause I don't think there's anything else linking stuff about the Golden Order to the Frenzied Flame like that, is there?
          Chaos and order are two sides of the same coin.
          Also the Law of Regression spell.
          >The fundamentalists describe the Golden Order through the powers of regression and causality. Regression is the pull of meaning; that all things yearn eternally to converge.

        • 1 week ago
          ArcaneMaxxer

          I mean the FF has a hand monster called the Three Fingers.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        what is that item on the left? Something from the DLC?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          DLC boss rememberance

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Did you actually pay attention? FF isn't a reset, you completely wipe out everything and salt the earth so deep that all that's left is the ash

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Gold Mask is just unending stagnation. Given how Miyazaki works, it's bad. It does nothing to fix the problems with the old (perverse) order of Marika. All it does is rebuild that system and prevent anyone, including the gods, from messing with the ring again (hence the outer triangle in the GO sigil).

    It's better than Fracture and DUNG, but it's still a low tier ending. Best endings are Ranni and Chaos.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Um what, exactly, are the problems with Marika's order? The biggest flaw is her having a hissy fit and smashing it because Ranni killed her boy. If anything, Goldmask's ending turns it into a truly eternal and fixed law of the universe which is what Marika wanted the whole time anyway.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Probably the ruthless attempts to root out what was presently depicted as heresy such as misbegotten because at one point they were considered divine.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Fedora

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I think Marika is trending towards fundmentalism or something.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          They deserved it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Fracture ending is fine

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The space monstrosity is neither a god nor good but most importantly doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That's not the definition of insanity though.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's not doing the same thing over and over again. It's making a critical change.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >The space monstrosity is neither a god
      By what measure is the Greater Will not a god?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It can die by being killed

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          So was the Norse god Balder not a god?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Monotheists have a deranged definition of god. Best to ignore them.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          None of the outer gods can be killed.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            t. greater shill

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Challenge accepted.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yet.
            I will forge a weapon that can kill gods.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Demi Gods/Titans anon

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's quite literally a god canonically

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The gods literally don't care about us.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Wow I didn't know even know gods do that in this game
    Now I'll support Ranni for ideological reasons as well it being a frick doll

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't goldie communing with fingers? Idk lore. I haven't played in ages. Halp. Pretty sure he was communing with digits of some variety, who just communing with dildo gods.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >The other Outer Gods
    >The other Other Gods
    hehe

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    can one achieve cosmic enlightment by extended t-posing?

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    erdtree is from crucible though. greater will just recontextualized it and claimed it as its own. it's an allusion to christianity injecting itself into european pagan traditions. like when yule became christmas.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The Crucible was just the primordial form of the Erdtree. The Erdtree as we know it was a creation of the Greater Will.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Cause the elden beast elden ring and marika colonized it. The crucible is like native american traditions and the giant erdtree is like america now

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The Crucible wasn't a god. It was basically just a primordial essence.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            and that also ties to paganism/christianity. christianity had written law and authority whereas pagan faith was vague oral tradition. so pagan faiths didnt have canonized gods and they were easily erased or recontextualized into christianity.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          More like the crucible is pre pagan europe, and the great will is christian europe.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    100% correct

    Rannigays should get the ace

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I saw the Noble Goldmask at a merchant in Altus yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and write down everything he says or anything. He said, “...” and pointed at the Erdtree. I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going "...", "...", "...” and pointing at the Erdtree. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I saw his finger vibrate as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk away with like fifteen Mending Runes of Perfect Order in his hands without paying.

    The merchant was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the merchant.

    When the merchant took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, Goldmask stopped him and told him “...” and then turned around and T-posed at me. I don’t even understand what that gesture means. After he put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by meditating really loudly.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Classic

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I've played through this game twice and I've never seen this npc

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      How did you not notice such an exceptional character? He was outstanding in his field.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      He's kinda small standing on the bridge north of Altus Plateau

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >pretending there is any sort of coherent story in Rollslop XVII
    ok.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's literally a space tree that eats people.

    >but-

    It's literally a space tree that eats people.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    lol, the stance that Goldmask takes when he forms his "perfect order" is the same as with the Litany of Proper Death. It's the invocation of the rune of death in the absence of that rune within the Golden Order, Marika's corrupted rule that disobeys the Greater Will. Goldmask is simply realizing what is missing from what the Greater Will wanted, and his mending rune restores the Perfect Order of the Greater Will, without the Elden Ring being molested by Marika. It's not just bringing the Lands Between under the rule of an uncaring outer god, but under the absolute, perfect rule of them, without a vassal in between. Your world will do what the god demands, and it will not even have the ability to do otherwise.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    your a moron and nobody wants to read the "lore" from your PEDO incest fetish worshipping GOT Trash writer.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The least schizo ER hater.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I have a weird theory that Albinaurics absorb and reform to whatever their environment is. The first generation hung around humans so they ended up human shaped. I imagine the second generation hung around nature which is why they look dumpy and froglike. Could also be homunculus degeneration too.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Greater Will uses you to gather the fragments of the Elden Ring
    >tries to kill you three times
    >and in the end you surrender to the greater will
    Imagine being this dumb

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You just have to prove you're the most effective enforcer of the Greater Will. And you do so by defeating Radagon and Elden Beast. The GW by and large seems pragmatic rather than vindictive or sentimental. Still, if you choose to hold a grudge that's an understandable attitude.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I just want to plunge the world into a little bit of chaos. Why she gotta be such a c**t about it?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      If you feed her to the cauldron and then go frenzied flame I think this doesn't even happen.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty sure you're locked out of FF ending if Melina sets fire to the tree.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It's been a while since I did it, I thought you'd still be able to meet the three fingers after doing it but I guess it brings you to farum azula instead.

          I'm starting to get bored of playing an INT build because it just feels like I keep spamming the same attack over and over. It seems like FAI is where all the fun weapons are, but am I misguided? Is there any build that isn't reliant on just spamming one attack over and over?

          I just mess around with the weapons I like the movesets of, you'll usually find one or two for the build you're going after.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty sure the door to the three fingers locks after Melina burns the tree.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      A hatefrick is fine too

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm starting to get bored of playing an INT build because it just feels like I keep spamming the same attack over and over. It seems like FAI is where all the fun weapons are, but am I misguided? Is there any build that isn't reliant on just spamming one attack over and over?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That's all builds, though. It's not like weapons have huge and varied movesets. That's impossible with the amount of weapons there are. You got your R1, your R2 and your weapon art and that's it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What weapon/spell are you using that you're just spamming the same attack over and over?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Int is largely just various types of plasma chucking. But you should experiment with melee Int styles. Either Carian spells or some of the various weapons with Weapon or Weapons Skill Int scaling. You can also try pushing to optimize/complicate ranged play more using buffing spells like Terra Magica and The Full Moon sorcery in concert with the damage spells. Terra Magica in particular can make for a fun mini game in fights.

        i've already been doing the sword spells. my build's gimmick is that it's a knight wizard so i'm specced into endurance and mainly use sword spells, but i find as i get later into the game there's more enemies i'm scared to approach so i just end up using pebbles and the magic bow

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Adula's Moonblade is great against groups at all ranges and Cannon of Haima is great against groups from afar (and also very satisfying to watch). You should have an actual physical weapon to fall back on instead of trying to do absolutely everything with spells. Magic infusion will provide roughly equal damage to Heavy or Keen at equivalent levels of INT against non-resistant enemies, so you can still be effective with a weapon and essentially play an INT build as a physical build + magic.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Get the Gavel of Haima and super armor through shit

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Well one option is pushing outside your comfort zone. Carian Slicer is extremely potent all the way through the game, but requires melee dodging skills. Alternatively do try to incorporate the additional ranged options to boost your damage. Full Moon to debuff the enemy, cold Sorceries like icecrag to inflict frostbite and get the 20% damage boost status, and Terra Magica for the big sorcery boost. If you're still stuck on pebble you should force yourself to branch out. I use a variety of different spells for different situations. I regularly use Swift Glintstone Shard, Comet, Shard Spiral, Magma Shot and Magic Glintblade for different purposes as a "main" damage ability for a fight (Night Comet with Staff of Loss offhand feels too good to me). The different properties can help a surprising bit in particular fights. If you're worried about lethality in melee I can also recommend a Brass Shield buffed with Scholar's Shield. You can get top end Greatshield level of protection for 7 weight and 16 Strength that way. Even better with Greatshield Talisman. I've killed quite a bit of stuff via shield poking with a Clayman's Harpoon.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Int is largely just various types of plasma chucking. But you should experiment with melee Int styles. Either Carian spells or some of the various weapons with Weapon or Weapons Skill Int scaling. You can also try pushing to optimize/complicate ranged play more using buffing spells like Terra Magica and The Full Moon sorcery in concert with the damage spells. Terra Magica in particular can make for a fun mini game in fights.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I've done full playthroughs of pure Faith, Faith/Dex, and now almost pure Int. Faith has a giant toolbox of weird shit but Int feels a little more straightforwardly powerful. But if you're looking for a variety of unusual combat tools Faith definitely king. The strongest stuff like Catch Flame and Pest Threads are still pretty straightforward though. I recommend trying a dragon caster if you want to try something really different.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        INT spells have a few things that you can use to mess around with players at least.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I too make red skinned characters. I call them Crimsonites.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      ARC FAI is the way anon.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You could always just swear off the glintstone shard spells and diversify.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      INT is basically the STR of casters
      >Big numbers
      >Exceedingly straightforward to use
      >Low variety of tools and approaches
      FAI has lower numbers and it's a bit trickier to use since most spells are not just karasawa beams and blueberry swords, but it has a lot more versatility and variety, which makes it way more fun to use if you don't care about blueberry ungabunga.
      FAI-ARC is incredibly fun, your numbers won't be the best but the sheer amount of options is exhilarating, it's honestly hard to play something else because it's such a well rounded build you can do almost anything, I recommend it if you're tired of INT casting.

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Goldmask was right.
    Sure thing buddy. Now hold still.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      He tanked that.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm out

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    why is the best ending (making the gods unfrick themselves) the most boring quest. I don't even wanna bother doing it and am just gonna end up picking Ranni anyway because her quest actually takes you places

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >never played a souls game with spells ever
    >replay ER for the DLC
    >frick it, pick astrologer
    >it's actually fun
    what the frick

    the rennala fight is pure AIDS though as a magic usert

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      People are always down on sorceries as being boring, but the variety of sorceries you have available in ER and the amount of attunement slots the game gives you with zero required stat investment makes sorcerers really fun to play.
      >the rennala fight is pure AIDS though as a magic usert
      Rock sling hits her pretty hard and in phase 1 her ass is fat enough that you can cast from only a couple of feet away and still hit her with all three rocks.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >actually fun
      All i could noticed was the ai breaking whenever i used magic.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      she goes down real quick with frostbite

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why was the GW grooming Marika's kids to overthrow her? What did she do wrong? Was it just doing a little bit of trolling?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      She had ambition

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        For what?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          killing God

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Why?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Tired of being a pawn in the game of something greater than her or just having even greater desire for power herself

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Marika is clearly a type of Lilith figure, one who "disobeyed" god.

                >The mystical writing of two brothers Jacob and Isaac Hacohen, Treatise on the Left Emanation, which predates the Zohar by a few decades, states that Samael and Lilith are in the shape of an androgynous being, double-faced, born out of the emanation of the Throne of Glory and corresponding in the spiritual realm to Adam and Eve, who were likewise born as a hermaphrodite. The two twin androgynous couples resembled each other and both "were like the image of Above"; that is, that they are reproduced in a visible form of an androgynous deity.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Age's are meant to come and go just in Dark Souls. They say as much in the game, Marika wasn't actually supposed to rule forever, it's not how the Greater Will works.

      They're meant to go through something like seasons or periods of refinement.

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    "God is evil" troupe is just a metaphor, the god is the west, it is capitalism, all enemies that you kill in JRPGs are white people in spirit, the source of all evil.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This is just a stealth "frick the archons" thread

      You're just killing what's suppose to be the demiurge. Whether the developers equate the demiurge with the west in general is something I'm starting to think is the case with them for obvious reasons. Demiurge and the Archons could just square to whatever brooding tyrincal forces holding power over you from the top. While we in the west could easily equate this woth the israelites in general, they probaly just view the west as this Demiurgic force.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Still waiting on any hard in-game evidence for why the greater will is secretly evil

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Greater Will doesn't have to be evil for wanting entire control over the system to be in their hands to be undesirable.
          We don't know anything about Greater Will, so why would we entrust the entire system to just them?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Well then it wouldnt be a secret now would it?

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I can't talk to people about this game when they ignore the final boss fight.
    It's all but directly shown to you that Marika/radagon are the same body and it's a shell holding the elden ring and the elden ring is literally the elden beast. It's just an elaborate story about an ayyy in a skin suit

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's hard to believe anyone could play Elden Ring, see how the Erdtree is completely corrupted and think "yeah I should keep this thing in charge"

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Better to just nope out into space with a blue doll you want to frick?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        But of course.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You will never be Elden Lord
          Or a woman

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You will never stop supporting corrupt systems because you're too ignorant to know better

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              You will never be able to reattach your wiener

  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Oh god another humiliation ritual thread.

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Just look at Goldmask m8. He wants an order so absolute and perfect it can never change. The way he can't even move represents perfect immortality, a scenario essentially identical to death where everyone ends up as stiff as a corpse yet still conscious.

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    so goldmask keeps the greater will in control but without the demigods?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      He eliminates the ability of the God to rebel against the system like Marika
      He thinks Greater Will is perfect and that the Gods are flawed because they are basically just humans

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    does the greater will itself kill and enslave things like omens, beastmen, giants, demihumans, etc or is that just Marika's thing?

  38. 1 week ago
    ArcaneMaxxer

    >The outer gods want to turn the world into hell
    Maybe the Formless Mother but I don't think that's their goal. Most of the notable outer gods to get fricked over got fricked over through Marika's design.

    Goldmask isn't about denying the outer gods, he's about denying an Elden Ring Host the ability to lord over the world like Marika.

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Ranni's quest is mistranslated. She's taking the gods and the idea of universal order far away, and leaving the lands between to develop naturally. You go with her and become part of the godhead with her. That said, I think Goldmask has a better ending.

  40. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The greater will is totally corrupt if what happened to the lands between is any indication. Ranni was correct that it all needs to be burned down and replaced. Goldmask's solution (and all the alt endings) is just kicking the can down the road until the next cycle begins again.

  41. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    My Queen.

  42. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    *inhales*
    HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

  43. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    japs don’t understand the western philosophical tradition of theism at all. they still have shinto beliefs and think a big g god is just like the boss of a reality that pre exists it and you’re heckin self actualising by rebelling against it’s arbitrary king like judgments. they have no conception of some abstract metaphysical force of existence that is the foundation for anything else that exists- you can’t kill something like that.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Thats what makes it fun imo, Elden Ring made by westerners would be predictable because it would have been made by people who understand monotheistic abrahamic tradition, and they would have likely read and understand the themes of Beowulf, and the western canon. Asians (not just japs but asians in general) dont and can't understand what that is or what that means.

  44. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Kneel before your Queen.

  45. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't pay any fricking attention, I just did his questline so I can get the rags he's wearing because they show off the female char's breasts.

  46. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Fighting boss Marika but you can only wrestle.

  47. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The Greater Will is not evil, but the Golden Order (which was sanctioned by the Greater Will, but envisioned by Marika) was a mistake. Sealing destined death was a mistake. Nothing can shine brilliantly forever, the world needs change. The Elden Ring needed to be broken and remade.
    Goldmask's solution isn't brilliant, he's doubling down on Marika's mistake out of religious fanaticism. To the extent that even when the Marika--the god he worships--realizes her dogma was wrong, his reaction is to prevent her from changing course. The Age of Order is a world where pragmatism is thrown to the wayside in the name of ideology. There is no ending that is better than all the others.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I don't see how Ranni's ending is bad. Let people live and die and determine their own fate. Ranni also seems to be the only sane one out of all the characters (doesn't wanna be controlled by or worship creepy finger creatures), just wants to chill and let the world do it's thing while she keeps a watchful eye

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't say it was, and I don't think it is. At least in principle, it's the best fit with my sensibilities as well.
        Only, every ending ought to come with merits and demerits. The problem with the Age of the Stars is that we know too little of what it entails for the Lands Between on a practical level; so Ranni stans and haters alike fill in the gaps with their imaginations, and come to completely opposite conclusions.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Ranni is a perfect princess who can do no wrong

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Ranni represents the potential upcoming Aquarian Age and the Golden Order (Christian era) represents the previous/current Piscean age. The Aquarian age, like Ranni represents a new clean slate, where hierarchy will eventually give way and new masters are created, replacing the old masters and order.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous
        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I think there's merit to this, but I'm pretty sure Ranni's would not be the first Age of the Stars. Fate was written in the stars before after all, before it was fettered by the Golden Order.
          The different ages / orders in the Lands Between are representations of the stages of the Magnum Opus. The foundation which everything else is built upon is the Calcified remains of the ancient giants. The Golden Order is clearly Conjunction (e.g. the alchemical marriage, the union of life/souls/order in the Erdtree, etc.) and and its intended successors are Putrefaction and Distillation (represented by Malenia and Miquella respectively).
          In which case, Ranni's philosophy and age ought to represent Separation, the stage which precedes Conjunction. So it stands to reason that she's trying to return to the world state that preceded the Golden Order, presumably the one that the Eternal Cities existed under.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Age of Aquarius
          Ah, yes. The lib equivalent of flat earth conspiracies

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      To clarify, the Lands Between was already faltering before the Night of the Black Knives and the Shattering. The Erdtree, which originally was the foundation of Marika's rule with practical applications, had been reduced to merely an object of faith. The Age of Abundance lasted only for a fleeting moment, and only because it was paid for by a great injustice in the Lands of Shadow. Only death can pay for life, so a deathless world will inevitably weaken life. That's why Marika needed Godfrey and his warriors to leave the Lands Between, to keep them strong.

  48. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Can somebody give me the TLDR of Elden ring And what’s the deal with with all the bosses

    • 1 week ago
      ArcaneMaxxer

      Be more specific, you want the basic plot and then a rundown on the bosses?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yes more or less

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Long time ago magic space entity sends down a golden star baring a "beast" that becomes the Elden Ring, this creates the setting
      >The Ring functions as a source code for reality and requires a "host" to live inside of. This Host is considered god.
      >An unknown number of gods have existed and civilizations built by them, such as the Dragon civilization.
      >A woman named Marika appears and fights another empyrean (viable host) for the right to become goddess.
      >She holds a life deity, the Crucible, as the center of her faith and conquers the lands between, suppressing or dismantling rivals and opposing "gods" until all bow before the Tree
      >She removes a rune governing death from the Elden Ring and makes the Crucible into the Erdtree. Everyone is lives forever and is reborn under the tree, the world prospers.
      >Marika marries a powerful barbarian and pumps out a divine child and two monsters with him.
      >Marika turns into a man for a little bit and incorporates a society of star wizards into her religion, through sex.
      >She then sends her barbarian husband and his warrior clan overseas and marries her male half who divorces the star wizard wife.
      >One of her/his daughters wants to be free of the Elden Ring and teams up with blasphemers to kill her perfect half brother, so she can become a "living ghost".
      >Marika goes crazy and shatters the ring. The ring becomes a beast and imprisons her while her male "persona" seals the tree.
      >Marika's children all inherit pieces of the ring and fight in a big war to become the next god.
      >They all fail to, so Marika calls and rezs her Barbarian husband and his armies from across the sea to fix the ring she broke.

  49. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >The other Outer Gods only want to turn the world into their own version of Hell.
    And this is bad why?

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