https://www.pcgamer.com/epic-has-been-great-for-many-indies-says-x-com-and-phoenix-point-creator/
>Epic's strategy of timed exclusives helped make it an established source of videogame deals, but not without inspiring quite a bit of vitriol—some from folk with understandable grievances, but a lot of it from Steam stans.
>This has not, however, soured CEO and X-COM creator Julian Gollop on the strategy.
>"When we did our Epic exclusive—this was the very early days of the Epic store promotion—yeah, there was a lot of hostility. And also a lot of conspiracy theories about it. The whole Chinese spyware and all the rest of it. Obviously, that's settled down a bit, and Epic has been great for many indies, in fact. It was another avenue to get funding, of course, which is very, very difficult to get with an indie studio. So overall, it was very positive for Phoenix Point itself. We had extra money that would go into making the game, which we didn't have otherwise. So it really did help the quality of the game itself, helped us get it released sooner rather than later and enabled us to put more content in so it was good."
> "It's always better to have the widest access to storefronts as possible," Gollop acknowledges. "If you have the money to get to that finishing line, to get the game in a releasable state. But it's usually not that easy, and developers have to look for other ways to secure the funding they need."
Why do we hate Epic again?
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How are they an indie company?
Hell, can anyone that depends on epic funding truly be called indie?
And he's just saying "thanks forbthe money", why not comment on how the game actually sold?
The director jumped ship from the xcom studio to create his own company Snapshot Interactive. But no, they aren’t indies, they are subsidiaries of Saber Interactive who in turn are a subsidiary of Embracer Group AB. Better known by their past name THQ Nordic.
Because outside of clickbait like this, the vast majority of the market will never hear about what’s coming out on it, since Tim has already alienated the consumers and does a dogshit job of marketing.
I don’t care about what developers or publishers like, I care about my own convenience, and Epic is not convenient.
Tims an autistic dweeb
Phoenix Point sucked
Epic paid to have a bunch of games about to come out on Steam to be delayed a year for timed exclusivity
>Steam stans
i fricking hate zoomer speak so much. fans. fans. why the frick would you stop using a word because of some shitty rap song?
even worse given stan was originally used in an extremely negative context, idk why it's replaced fan.
It's still negative, its being used to here to imply those attacking the epic store are doing so out of some obsessive loyalty to steam.
He's one of the more prominent examples of someone not only taking timbux but giving him a handy online as well
Steam fanbois are real, though. The sheer number of times I've seen "no Steam, no buy" is sickening.
Yeah, it makes sense that people wouldn't buy a game on EGS if its being used to condition a generation of PC gamers to bullshit console wars.
competition bad
Exclusivity is not competition that benefits consumers. Timmy doesn't want competition that brings down prices and gives devs more money, he wants to transplant the xbox v playstation bullshit on to PC using his army of zoomers growing up with EGS as their first foray into PC gaming.
epic gives loads of money to devs though? seems like you're just upset that devs you deem undeserving no longer have to develop a game on their savings/their mum's income
I'm a customer, I just want reasonable prices and easy access to vidya. If I wanted a console war I would buy a console.
games cost money to develop hun x
Competition to steam is indeed bad. As in incompetent and user hostile.
Dude the streaming scene is complete fricking dogshit because of competition.
Yep.
>2011
>Can watch everything with just Netflix and Hulu
>2022
>Dozens of streaming services
>Can easily pay as much as a cable bill
Why are you contradicting free market dogma?
id buy every game physically if i had the option. i dont, i have to use some shitty launcher/storefront. why should i want like 10 of those running on my computer when i could just have 1? why would i want to split up my library? shit even on steam some games make you install their bloatware anyways. looking at you ea games and origin, or squarenix and your shitty launcher i have to run my single player games through. so again, why wouldnt i just buy them in one place?
It's "no Linux, no buy" for me. Not my fault that Steam has the best Linux support. I would buy from Epic Games if they released a Linux desktop client and added the Linux versions of all the Linux-compatible games on their store. But they won't, because they're bitter about Linux being something that Valve already supports. By the time they wake up and realize they want some of the Linux user base, they'll have missed their chance and Tim will be crying about Valve having a monopoly over it.
Yawn
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NNNNNNOOOOOOOO HOW HECKIN DARE YOU POSTING THIS IN MY TOTALLY NOT A SHILL THREAD YOU FFFRICK GWEILO
Please give me a Touhou
give me something good please
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give me 39 or give me death
>no highly developed social features & online infrastructure like Steam
>no DRM-free library like GOG
>xcom series are indie games
guess i misunderstood whole 2k publishing credit and launcher. not to mention now taking slimy tims money.
He's talking about his own game, Phoenix Point
fair, guess i assumed Phoenix point was just another chimera squad and never looked at it whatsoever.
he's the creator behind X-COM UFO defense, not the modern XCOM.
of course it's great for indies
they get paid even if no one buys the game
Because it's just a paid beta test as the guy clearly states. Also the funny thing is that Epic phased out the indie exclusivity program when they realized it wasn't bringing in numbers because, to the surprise of nobody, when Timmy said he was doing it primarily to help the indie devs he was lying. Nowadays they're focused on AAA exclusives (primarily Squeenix and Ubisoft with the occasional 2K game) and are moving into self-publishing.
Isn't this the guy that said frick his kickstarter backers? Because Epic literally shat out so much mo ey to make the game exclusive that if everyone refunded he'd still have enough money.
Yes. And also, to no one's big surprise, the game fricking sucked, managing to mix modern and classic X-Com with such amazing precision that they were able to remove everything enjoyable from both.
Nobody cares about game devs, what matters is what's best for the user
>Great for indies
>The store is almost entirely shovelware they can give away for free with no real fuss
I would bet the majority of it doesn't get installed or played. Any developer would be smart to throw their game on other stores to increase the chance of people actually playing the games they make and getting fans to buy their shit.
>increase the chance of people actually playing the games they make and getting fans to buy their shit.
why would they care when epic pays them millions
Because the store itself kinda sucks. If it wants to win me over, it'll have to do so through actually useful features that Steam doesn't have, not by limiting what games I can play.
Still, it's better for it to exist to not let Steam have as ridicilous of a monopoly as it would have without Epic. The few other launchers are even worse, so it's about the last competitor to Steam.
Isn't it funny how this article popped up from """pc""" gamer days after news did rounds of the EGS being a marketing blackhole?
I wonder why?
What's funny about that? I thought it was common knowledge at this point that PCGamer rides Tim's wiener with the money he gives them to write good press
pc gamer isnt a gaming news site. its a marketing site.
2019 PC Gamer was pretty much EGS marketing center.
Gollop can suck a dick.
Epic money meant he was in the green for Phoenix Point no matter what and allowed him to release and profit off the buggy piece of shit that could have been a good game.
Because buying exclusive monopolies is a terrible business practice. The only reason it settled down was because it became clear that it isn't financially viable judging by the market share they managed to get.
I'm still waiting for Kingdom Hearts on Steam... Will it ever happen? Frick you Tim, frick Epic
just pirate
timmy bought it for you already
>guy who made a good game 30 years ago and thinks he still has it (he doesn't) has an opinion
ok?
yeah why wouldn't you take a large payment upfront when your lil game will probably flop because gamers are dramatic homosexuals who are always looking to cause the next TORtanic
Funny, I remember Phoenix Point being pretty mediocre on release. It's also pretty shitty of him to go exclusive AFTER people had already paid money to Kickstart his game, regardless of how you try to spin it.
>game is half finished but looks good
>get timed exclusivity contract with EGS
>use that money to finish and polish the game
>release it later on steam with all the bells and whistles
>actually sell a lot of units
REEEEEEEEEE NOT GOOD ENOUGH REEEEEEEEEE
yeah of course because, and i share that opinion, i want the game on day1 in the finished and best state it could ever be because i will play it once all the way through and move on and not keep it on my hard drive or reinstall it at a later date again.
>people that aren't morons see scummy business practices such as attempting to corner a market and artificially create a monopoly
>can't play a game they want to play without pirating it for at least six months
>all interest wanes and eventually disappears
Piss off tim you fricking chink shill c**t.
>f-frick crowdfunding
you get what you deserve
>game is half finished but looks good
>get timed exclusivity contract with EGS
>use that money on hookers and blow
>release it later on steam
>actually sell a lot of units because people want to "own" epic
chiv2
>phoenix point
its great because it lets them release half a game and still make timbux?
How come Ganker turns a blind eye to shitty, buggy games when they're from an Approved developer such as From Software?
Because people love gobbling steams wiener
>Phoenix Point creator
Of all the people to get a statement from they get it from this slimy bastard?
>"It's always better to have the widest access to storefronts as possible,"
Then why is he defending a storefront trying to limit the number of storefronts gamers have access to through console style exclusivity?
because EGS is basically an angel investor. the difference is that the game is already available for people to purchase and play even tho it's far from finished.
early access is shit though, its always the result of greed or poor management. ie they want more money or they ran over budget and need more.
>dream up game concept
>shave off the most unrealistic parts
>develop a proof of concept for pitch meetings
>still can't get the funding
>EGS offer is on the table
>alternative would be to scale down fundamental parts of the game even more to fit it into the non-existing budget
This isn't what happens though. You've fallen for EGS propaganda.
EGS swoops in on nearly finished games and says to the devs "hey wouldnt it be great if you didnt actually need to sell to succeed", greedy gays agree and take the money, game bombs because nobody uses EGS to buy games and the hype is dead when it releases on Steam a year later, then they convince themselves they needed the Epic money to release in the first place.
>don't even buy games
>whine about what store they're available on
makes sense since on epic xcom can make their FFT-but-much-worse games without negative reviews
What happened to pcgamer?
I used to collect their magazines back then.
>What happened to pcgamer?
Oh, nothing.
>reeee stop interviewing people i don't like
Valves data analytics has gotten so advanced they've created an entire generation of steam cuck, trained solely through game sale stimulus loops.
Amazing
Literally the only positive he lists is that they got the bag. Amazing.
Obviously Phoenix Point Dev would say it's great, homosexual got $2-4 million for his game which flopped hard
>we just wanted free money because our game was gonna be shit
All that needed to be said
envy
i'm fine with games taking money from tim to do early access on epic. i don't play early access games to begin with, and i wouldn't buy anything on epic anyways. but as i am apperently the only person on this board with a fricking iota of patience, i wait for the steam release to come out when the game is finished, goes on sale for its steam launch and has all it's bugs and rough edges ironed out thanks to those poor schmucks who played it during EA on epic.
i also can easily avoid turds like phoenix point because, you know, it's been out for a year. it's hard to hide a log of shit when you have some eyes on it for a year before it's steam launch
i don't hate epic, i just don't care about them other than their free engine.
Timmy doesn't understand that gamers are deeply irrational.
Rationality would lead you to buy the game on the storefront which provides you the most value at the cheapest cost.
In reality, gamers buy games on steam because all their other games are on steam. This isn't rational, but it is comfy.
How are we supposed to do this when Timmy keeps hoarding new releases on a single storefront where there is only a single price? If he cares about competition, why does he puruse exclusivity deals?
If there is only a single price, then that is the best price by definition.
Is it irrational to think that it is a bad thing for only one store to be selling the game ? And that it is bad for vidya customers for this practice to become common place?
It depends. Those are complex questions.
I think exclusivity is a legitimate way to compete in the market. But thats just my opinion and opinions don't matter. The market will decide who wins.
You are not the market or a video game storefront. You're just a customer, and you should only care about the value for customers. In this case, exclusivity is an awful thing.
i'm a dev and i don't buy games?
Why?
So if a game is exclusively on Steam, that makes it worse value for the customer? How does that work exactly?
lmao did they seethe that the New Blood dev called out the Epic store?
As opposed to this cuck, that kiwi actually knows loads of indies and knows what he's talking about.
>lmao did they seethe that the New Blood dev called out the Epic store?
Probably. The New Blood dev's tweet was a few days before the PC Gamer article.
to be fair, this guy is literally friends with gaben
lik no joke
Ganker screeches "shill" whenever someone mentions ultrakill or new blood though
i fricking hate you all
since when? i thought ultrakill was OUR GAME
fricking zoomers can't wait a year or learn to pirate
this moronic Black person got such a fat paycheck from Epic that he gave the middle finger to everyone who backed his game to completion before he got the chinks attention, of course he's gonna suck their microdick
What makes me mad is that Sweeny IS trying to do good for indie devs and help them actually make money from their work. Paying devs up front, letting devs keep a much bigger cut of profits, waiving Unreal fees if they host on Epic....those sound like reasonable, nice things to do on paper. But he's doing so in the worst, most batshit stupid ways possible; Epic exclusives, throwing insane amounts of money around unsustainably, letting big studios and publishers take advantage of this deal that they don't need, smacktalking the competition on Twitter. And all of this ends up making indie devs look selfish and greedy (which some of them are, sure, but I'm talking about Sweeny right now).
In short, "he a little confused, but he got the spirit." Now make Sweeny shut the frick up.
Same shit with Elon too, rich people are homosexuals
They're both Twitter prostitutes who come off as unlikable twats. Gaben knows the only winning movie with social media is to not play.
good morning sirs
Epic Geme Store good yes
Steme bad yes