Everyone in 2013 : God what a douchebag characther. Worst GTA protoganist ever
Everyone in 2023 : We need him back for GTA 6
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Everyone in 2013 : God what a douchebag characther. Worst GTA protoganist ever
World wasn't saturated with so many bad protagonists
>Everyone in 2013 : God what a douchebag characther. Worst GTA protoganist ever
nobody said that
>Everyone in 2023 : We need him back for GTA 6
no one says that
Only Franklin was truly bad, he really felt tacked on like a token black character.
He is entirely unmemorable and boring, and that is a cardinal sin when the character is supposed to be a protagonist.
Franklin has always been worse and less compelling CJ
>CJ (based) fricking leaves los santos to get away from Black person behavior
>but he has family and childhood friends that tie him directly to the plot
>CJ is now effectively forced to engage in Black person behavior that spirals into GTA shit with jetpacks and jumpjets
>Franklin "wants out the hood"
>he could just leave. Doesnt
>doesnt want to live the Black person lifestyle
>his only perceived way out is to follow michael and trevor, perform Black person behavior and move to the fricking hills
>somehow this makes him better than Lamar
Lamar would have been a better protag, hes a Black person who likes doing Black person shit and isnt ashamed of it like Franklin, it would also create a new character rather than just "HEY GUYS, MEMBER CJ! MEET CJ 2!"
I've seen people say Franklin should have been Lamar's antagonist with the exact same story beats except he's insecure that Lamar is happy being a Black person while also not being dismissed by Michael and Trevor. Then he sells them out to the FIB to try and move up even more.
I think it would have made Franklin far more interesting because at that point you are exploding the CJ character and inverting it. The audience would initially hate Lamar because everyone hates Black folk, and theyd like Frankling because "hes just like CJ" to then run the flip and everyone realize its more valuable to be yourself and be honest than be some ratfrick who is just as bucketed as all the other crabs
The problem with V is that there's no Niko to tell Nigs that they have no problem.
Franklin litterally cant just leave the hood. you forget that hes extremely broke and got fired from simnon and also was at war with the ballas.
>HE CANT
he can, this is Black person cope, just get in your fricking car and drive. This is the same cope that keeps Black folk "trapped" in the hood. You can drive to a less shitty neighborhood, live in a frickin shelter for a week, get a job, and turn it around. You wont be rich but you wont be the Black personest Black person living in an area where everything not bolted down is stolen.
I can tell youre a white boy who never had any struggle in his life and was carried by daddys money
>daddys money
my dad left my mom to go to jail for methamphetamine
my mom is an alcoholic waitress turned nonfunctioning alcoholic. good try
Being a moron who OD's by choice despite having all the privilege he has isnt a struggle
damn bruh, you tried getting in your car and going? not my fault youre too lazy to make something of yourself.
>just drive bro
You must be moronic, its expensive as frick to move
I never said it would be comfortable, but if youre smarter than the Black folk living next door, you can do it. Sell some shit, fill the tank, and go. the only requirement to live in a shelter is to not be on drugs, file for stamps and welfare, work for a couple weeks and youll have the money you need to get up, out, and on your own. The only thing keeping you where you are is the glue you put on your feet
All the nice neighborhoods are in suburbs and all the shelters are in inner city, and who tf would want to live in a shelter anyway like some bum, dignity first.
you are 100% correct and the dumb homie arguing with you is coping for his incompetence and laziness
>here is how you solve the problem
>>nah homie i aint finna get a job that's some lame homie shit
>okay then stay poor dumbfrick
>>ayo homie this shit your fault bruh yall white boys aint understand
actual subhuman behavior
>You can drive to a less shitty neighborhood
Thanks for letting us know your knowledge and opinion are worthless. What a stupid piece of advice.
>moronic people from mexico which is worse than your gay Black person infested neighborhood pull it off
>illiterate muslims from the middle east pull it off
>but things are different for you.
im gonna be real straight with you here, you are never getting my permission to be a lazy piece of shit and blame circumstance, if you actually gave a shit youd fricking go, but its so much easier to pretend theres some shit keeping you where you are, I know former crack addicts with more gumption than you
I like how you're comparing people without a solid plan on how to escape their economic and social situation to people who literally have nothing to lose and end in the exact same spot as those in the ghetto. morons, I swear.
>ill just do nothing
youre not getting my permission bud. people with less accomplish more, get off your ass and make a change
I have a steady job and I'm making plans to move. Keep trying tho, I'm sure you'll totally change the world be calling people lazy bums. You little slacktivist you!
im glad I could inspire you to make necessary changes and I wish you all the best
>he still had the ballas to worry about.
>its not that simple. even when he got a job with simimon he would always get into trouble.
The ballas don't care for Lamar or Franklin. The few interactions with them in V show they think Franklin and Lamar are idiots. In San Andreas, Sweet knows the rank and files and gets into gun fights with them
Stretch betrayed Franklin and kidnapped Lamar. If you do any ending aside from Death Wish, Lamar has to go into hiding because the Ballas are after him.
>>CJ (based) fricking leaves los santos to get away from Black person behavior
Wasn't he a criminal in LC too?
Yeah he worked with Joey Leone like Claude does which got Salvatore to trust him easier in SA
Well you see, you can take the monkey out of the jungle...
But just like every other GTA character, just not invested in petty gang muh hood bix nood muhfugga shit
The only good character trait of Franklin is having Lamar as a friend.
And Lamar is the most annoying gay Black person from outer space so that's not saying much
this anon has a yee yee as haircut and no b***hes on his dick
Lamar is objectively the best character in any GTA game
Are you by chance a Black person?
This, if Lamar had been a protagonist instead we could have had homie moment simulator
i unironically like franklin more than le middle-aged cuck or le heckin joker/vaas redneck who is afraid of saying Black person
but yeah, gta 5 has the worst cast on par with 3
Rockstar should have just given us Trevor and Michael
Franklin was CJ without the charisma. I don't get why they made him a simp for that chick that was either b***hing at him for not leaving the ghetto, to then b***hing at him for abandoning Lamar. Sweet b***hed too, but at least he was consistent in what he cared about.
I remain unconvinced that Taqisha was not a schizophrenic apparition.
>only appears to franklin
>only does this to put him down
>does not interact with anyone else nor anything
>vanishes when the cutscene ends
>inexplicably appears in his mansion wearing the same clothes as the first mission to do this
>irrelevant beyond appearing to franklin like the ghost of christmas cuck
>only person who acknowledges her is Lamar and only to mock Franklin
>unmemorable
This is the one where all protagonists should have died, or at least give the option to kill more than one
Never once heard anyone saying that bout michael
Michael had his sopranos moment where "yeah but you still cash the checks"
I didnt think he was horrible but he wasnt anything impressive. GTA has 3 serviceable protags but not one of them is better than that.
Michael would be 55 if GTA 6 is set in 2023 that's way too old to be a protagonist, 45 was already pushing it.
Just do a Takeshi thing.
nobody said or says either of these things, you're chasing phantoms
No one said any of those, but also, there's the people who played GTA SA and got to V in 2013 and there's the people who grew up with V so they're nostalgic. V was shit and there's no hope for VI. The series peaked on SA, we'll only get politically correct games now, just look at RDR2 with their progressive feminist pro-interracial gay marriage cowboy. I won't even mention missions because R* has sucked in that department for a decade
moron
I accept your concession.
better than gta4
>games climax has you shoot 12 guys because muh realism
gay tony saved what should be remember as an abortion boat driving sim
>My shit doesn't smell as bad as yours
But anon, it's still shit.
We're talking about the same fanbase that unironically thinks Trevor is a deep character
>God what a douchebag characther.
Is that what people were saying? I thought the problem was he's a fat retired cuck who lies and cheats his friends.
Everyone loved Michael. Really his only fault was never trying to fully reconcile with Trevor which made him seem like a real b***h. but Trevor was a genuine psychopath so can't blame him too much
>but Trevor was a genuine psychopath so can't blame him too much
Wasn't the implication that trevor was relatively normal and only turned into the reddit clownman after michael screwed him?
No Trevor was always crazy, Michael said they had to constantly be on the move in the old days because Trevor would kill people in broad daylight and draw heat.
the games positioning of michael betraying trevor as a bad thing is a bit weak when you constantly see trevor creating liability and mercilessly killing and implied eating them
Trevor aside, Michael DID lie about Brad.
yeah but you could character arc that out and give michael a compelling redemption
Brad was clearly a shitbag that deserved no sympathy, he's acting all badass cause he manhandled some woman at the beginning and even Trevor seemed annoyed by it in the car.
He didn't even know Michael screwed him until years later though
He was always a psycho and that's why Michael and Davey struck a deal in the first place
Trevor could have been a complex and interesting character but they got too far up their ass with the whole "we're holding a mirror up to the players, man..." angle
I think the real issue with Trevor is that for the mirror thing could have worked but he would have needed to do much worse, truly reprehensible, things.
I get that you can't do that in a game but without it he's just edgy meme man that really does not mean anything to the player.
he's already like that in the prologue
Trevor was always a loose cannon, it's the reason Michael agreed to sell him out to the feds, he feared he'd get them killed one day. Brad dying during the prologue instead was just an accident
>Everyone in 2013 : God what a douchebag characther. Worst GTA protoganist ever
Nobody said this, OP.
I still maintain that Michael should have been the only protag in V. Playing as a guy who is already at the top and retired from criminal life only to be pulled back in would have been a very neat change. Trevor and Franklin would be supporting characters (tweak the story so Trevor isn't as important to Michael's past).
V started development with Michael as the only MC, that's well known. After the success of IV's Impossible Trinity they changed it to what we got, originally Franklin had the apprentice and Trevor the personal villain roles; the former was given more to do and the latter's villainy was downplayed HARD.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/arts/video-games/q-and-a-rockstars-dan-houser-on-grand-theft-auto-v.html
>"Just at the conceptual level, the idea was three separate stories that you play in one game. The next bit was, let’s not have the stories intersect once or twice but have them completely interwoven. It felt like it was going to be a real narrative strength: you get to play the protagonist and the antagonist in the same story"
>you get to play the protagonist and the antagonist in the same story
You can call Trevor a lot of things in the final game but the closest he gets to being an antagonist is when he finds out about Brad and leaves Michael to die with the Chinese. Then there's this leak coming from a build R* bought off before it was publicly released, so this video is literally all we'll ever see from it
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Trevor went from either not existing or doing so as an NPC to being playable, in both cases as one of the game's major antagonists; to then his villainy being downplayed until he turned into the 'crazy haha Canadian man' he is in retail
>they wanted to make Traffic
would have been kino
>After the success of IV's Impossible Trinity they changed it to what we got,
For a game based around three protagonists, GTAV completely missed the point of GTAIV's three protagonists.
Niko, Johnny and Luis were all complete strangers to each-other in completely different social circles. Their individual stories only briefly intersecting, in some moments of tragic irony, like Johnny kidnaping Roman, or Niko killing Johnny's best friend, or Niko kidnapping Gracie.
In GTAV you just witness the same shitty story from three different angles.
i think they know that and its telling that we only have two protagonists this time around who are also much more connected then Michael, Franklin and Trevor
Micheal was literally everyone's favorite character moron
I mean isn't he suppose to be sociopath?
only zoomers still care about this shit
V was boring but VI will be totally pozzed
6 will allow me to mod hispanic pussy, which is more than I can say for V's gay modding community thats obsessed with putting Iron Man in the game
yeah anon, only [boogeyman] will care about grand theft auto 6
>worst GTA protagonist
>when trevor exists
a lot of people miss one of trevors worst traits
>canadian with passionate opinions about America
go back.
Trevor isn't Canadian he's from a border region in America that's close enough to Canada that the people have Canadian type accents and like hockey.
He is from tbe border area but he is canadian. He even tried to serve the canandian air forces but got expelled because the mental issues.
I honestly don't see Trevor as crazy. Nothing he says or does comes closer to Salvatore, Sonny Forelli, Catalina, Faustin, or even Tenpenny.
>killing and eating people isnt crazy behavior
okay
Donald Love is shown to be a cannibal in LCS and Toni made Casa into meat just to do anything for his Mother. Trevor doesn't even compare to those two. I argue Lance in VCS being a coke with Vic's GF is the closest to unstable I've seen
youve got weird arbitrary guidelines to what crazy is and I think you might want to see a psychiatrist, people liken Trevor to bugsbunny and a reddit character because rockstar tried way too hard to make Trevor an almost out of universe character.
Anyone who uses "Reddit" to describe a character's personality isn't anyone with an opinion worth hearing. There's some moron saying that about Trevor and gets mad when you call him a dumbass.
the reason people use that phrase is that Trevor is reddit
He's "Reddit" to the gays that started the franchise with GTA4. Trevor is appropriately crazy for the setting of GTAV where most everyone is an angry lunatic.
Trevor is a Saint's Row character in a GTA game. It's one thing to be a crazy lunatic and quite another to do things that will 100% get you murdered every single day of the week
okay trevor
If you don't get the impression that he's unstable/erratic then you could just be autistic. They make it very obvious
Faustin in IV was crazy. Unlike Trevor, Faustin can and will hurt Niko by harming his cousin and has the resources to do so. Trevor is just an edgelord
trevor is so hamfistedly crazy youd have to be sleeping through the whole game to not see that hes a fricking psycho
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That was the part i absolutely started hating Trevor
Trevor was right the whole time about Debra fricking around on Floyd and Floyd goes crazy after he realizes it
Why did he kill Floyd.
He didn't. You don't see what happens, but it's heavily implied that she shot Floyd, and he killed Debra.
>no guarantee he did kill Floyd
Trevor is covered in blood and you never see Floyd again. I don't know how that can be seen as anything else. Just makes trevor that much more of a homosexual and completely nullifies the entire storyline with Floyd that led up to that point, like why even bother doing any of that shit if he was just going to kill him? The writing is shit
I think it's implied that Debra shot Floyd and Trevor killed her on his behalf. The newspaper mentions a shot male and stabbed woman.
He meant that he killed Floyd himself. Debra had a gun in her hands its possible she shot Floyd herself and Trevor killed her.
Why did he kill the Vanilla Unicorn's manager then
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Because he was a stranger he did no care about unlike his cousin lol. No one is denying he is crazy here.
He was a random guy to Trevor, he doesn't kill people he knows without good reason. Wade and Ron get shit but he doesn't murder them.
Its implied Debra killed Floyd and then Trevor killed Debra
There's no guarantee he did kill Floyd, Debra could've killed Floyd and then Trevor killed Debra.
Why morons don't seem to get that Debra is the one that shoot Floyd then Trevor finished her? This is on the same level as the average gtagay not understanding that Michael is not actually under witness protection
WITNESS PROTECTION FOR WHAT
NO ONE WAS CONVICTED OF ANYTHING
that anon has it slightly wrong, it's not exactly witness protection but more like Michael cutting a deal with the FBI to rat on the Ludendorff job and get a new identity, plus get Trevor killed so he won't start digging
I know fren, I was referencing the big "Michael wasn't in witness protection you fricking morons" video on YouTube
Found the average GTAtard. He didn't cut a deal with FIB.
from the GTA wiki
>GTA wiki
>reliable source
based moron lmao
He cut a deal with Dave, which was a corrupt agent. Michael was dead for the FIB.
how does that work? Michael is on the ground in front of a whole squad of FIB and? Dave teleports him away and they accept he's dead?
He was "buried" on the prologue, moved and Dave got him a new ID. Dave's team killed the famous Michael Townley and managed to kill one of his team (was supposed to be Trevor, not Brad), so he could move up his career. In current days he blackmails Michael.
Did you even play the game? Actual room temp IQ morons. Use your brain for a second, why the frick would Michael be in witness protection? No one was convicted of anything. Witness of fricking what?
you're obsessed with witness protection while nobody here used the phrase. You might be mentally ill
>can't even follow reply chains
yeah your IQ can't be much higher than 70
if you could follow the chain you'd arrive at the post "not witness protection" but then that would require you to be sane
Actual moron.
the people who maintain that wiki are more knowledgeable than you. If you are 150% sure of some GTA fact and it's contradicted on the wiki, you're wrong
double digit IQ
>Dave: They (FIB) were looking through my files, what if they see the things I've done, I'd get 3-5 years but you? You're Michael Townley.
Holy shit anon it's common knowledge Michael wasn't in witness protection. Why the FRICK would the FIB allow the cops to pull up to their sting operation then send ONE GUY with a sniper to bring in the three most notorious bank robbers in history? Why the FRICK would their operation consist in killing one guy then imprisoning the other three? Why the FRICK would they allow Michael to KEEP ALL THE MONEY HE'S EVER STOLEN THEN SET HIM UP IN A MANSION. Why the FRICK would Lester find out Michael is paying Dave five figures monthly to keep quiet. Why the FRICK would Dave threaten Michael with the files his superiors might find if he goes under.
Again: WITNESS PROTECTION FOR WHAT
NO ONE WAS CONVICTED OF ANYTHING
the answer to all your questions is bad writing. The story makes no sense either way. They either cut a deal with Michael collectively which is contradicted in the story, or Dave was the one who cut the deal off the books but then how does the whole sting happen with Michael being shot and every single agent ignoring him?
>They either cut a deal with Michael collectively
They didn't
>or Dave was the one who cut the deal off the books but then how does the whole sting happen
What "whole sting"? There was no "whole sting", Michael wasnted out and Dave was corrupt so Michael paid him to kill Trevor and fake-shoot Michael. Brad got in the way of the shot, Trevor ran away.
>with Michael being shot and every single agent ignoring him?
What "every single agent"? The FIB at large wasn't involved, it was assumed some random North Yankton cop shot the robbers that's that. Again, if the fricking FBI equivalent was planning a raid why in the ever loving name of frick would they allow the local police to appear on the scene? Why would they send one (1) guy with a sniper?
So you're Dave the FIB agent and you cut a deal with Michael to kill Trevor and pretend Michael is dead. Michael and Trevor arrive at the scene and there are like 30+ cops who see Michael being "shot" but survive. How do you as the FIB agent deal with this? You shoo them away?
>and there are like 30+ cops who see Michael being "shot" but survive
What did he mean by this?
want me to paint arrows?
Oh you mean once the plan had already gone to shit by killing the wrong guy? Cops that would be swayed the second Dave pops in with his FIB badge and goes with Michael to the morgue where they change things around? The cops that wouldn't be on the scene if the FIB was involved because why the frick would they let things go wrong by involving the local unaware police? Those cops?
so your argument is that Dave is an incompetent moron?
Yes? That's the only reason the entire game happens. Dave had to kill Trevor and imprison Brad, instead he killed Brad and failed to apprehend Trevor. Dave is *canonically* an incompetent moron
There was a security guard who grabs Michael during the heist he's probably the one who called the local police right before he ambushed Michael and got killed.
They're just rural cops he could flash his FIB badge and take Michael with him
I don't think the local cops showing up in force was part of the plan it was supposed to be clean with no casualties except Trevor
It wasn't a real shot, he was acting. Jesus Christ man, you gays are really moronic.
literally not relevant to the issue
It is, because it was all fake. Dave is just a corrupt agent that faked everything, the only part of his deal with Michael and Brad was that Trevor was going to die, but the agents killed the wrong guy.
>michael didnt take a deal with the FIB
so he just killed trevor for the lolz then? youre moronic
Michael cut a deal with one corrupt agent not the FIB. Dave's deal is completely off the books and illegal.
Why do you think debra shot floyd? I mean trevor always annoyed floyd so that he would stand up for himself but I think he just went crazy and killed them both.
Because she started swearing and pointing the gun at him, and basically confessed she was cucking him? She was on a rant saying he's useless and didn't need all that shit, that Floyd was dead weight on her life. The fact he brought Trevor again just made her hysterical.
Trevor actually cared about Floyd in his moronic way, he wouldn't kill him for no reason.
Trevor bites the ear off of a feared Mexican gang boss and kidnaps his wife in 5, Faustin would not scare Trevor a single bit.
You are right, Faustin would shoot him instead.
So? Micah killed a whole town and people he knew just to get his guns. I argue Trevor is just the generic unstable gunman in action movies.
are you trying to say Micah is a well adjusted sane individual?
This is more feasible in the 19th century than the one with fighter jets and modern military tech.
Micah is just a fully realized, more grounded verison of Trevor. And the game's main antagonist
And Micah is a crazy villain, yes
Just because someone is crazier does not mean Trevor is not crazy himself.
Im sure I play more (and better) vidya than you, but you need to touch some frickin grass, hombre
God damn, Trevor was exactly like if Micah had been a playable character. Eugh.
Micah is never potrayed as zany, which is supposed to be endearing in the case of Trevor.
He's genuinely only ever potrayed as someone not immediately unbearable at the very start of the game.
I guess they wanted Trevor to still being someone you could root for, so he only ends up (unjustifyibly) killing minor and annoying characters like Floyd and his wife.
I think RDR2 is overall a way better structured story, but Micah is very one dimensional. More of an actual outlaw psycho than Trevor who's zany and talks like he's The Mask.
Who do you think would win? I guess Trevors ability to ignore damage is really OP, not sure about canonicity. Micah makes deadeye totally useless though, which proves he's a top tier marksman himself.
The tone of the games is just too different to compare
RDR2 is the only game they have ever made without this thick veneer of irreverent parody to every single conversation.
>RDR2 is the only game they have ever made without this thick veneer of irreverent parody to every single conversation.
Not true. While the world in GTAIV was insane, Niko was clearly meant to be the sane man in an insane world. It made him very sympathetic, and had the kind of scenes that would mature into the kind of moments RDR and RDR2 had.
Yeah, to be honest I really prefer the tone of Red Dead. GTA is pretty unimmersive with literally every fictional brand / product having some vulgar meaning ti their name.
One thing I've found kind of odd, since they don't share the same universe, is the insistance on using made up locations that have direct pararells to real city. So los santos = los angeles and so on. But then RD just casually mentions a real state like Oregon or California along with fake ones like Lemoyne or New Austin.
This also concerns historical figures, Washington exists in both because he lived long before the setting is taking place, but every single current politician in red dead is made up. Even generals and such.
No clue why they aren't just consistent and say San Andreas instead of California etc.
RDR doesn't really try to parody America like GTA does. The fictional states are only there as pastiche. For instance New Austin isn't supposed to be not!Texas in the same way the state of Liberty is not!New York in GTA. RDR's fictionalized parts of America are just supposed to be amalgamations of the various regions, but the real life states could still very well exist in universe.
Also, GTA games do reference real life locations sometimes too.
Trevor was so crazy it was genuinely insane the game tried to have the balls to act like Michael betraying and ditching him wasn't an objectively correct decision.
It's more like it set the precedent that Michael can and will do whatever to save his ass. Michael teaches Franklin to always look out for #1 while Trevor teaches Franklin the benefits of loyalty.
Michael is a sociopath, he will stab you in the back. Trevor is a psychopath, but he is loyal to his friends.
V is a bad game.
Well neither of them would be able to join the army neither i assume.
Anyway when was the last time you played gta v? Trevor is a cannibal, sells random hitchhikers for a mountain cannibal group, and is the only character in the game who has the rampage as a side mission where he kills massive group of people for petty reasons like someone making fun of his canadian accent.
Anon did you miss the stew with human ears Michael finds in one of the missions? Like Catalina is a crazy b***h but at least she only ever threatens with cutting and eating someone's balls and doesn't actually go through with it.
Is Trevor just a genderbent Catalina? She's outrageously insane too
Catalina is a stereotype on the crazy latina, insane but moreso in a bipolar way
Johnny was far worse, hence why they killed him off.
Johnny is the closest we've ever gotten to a RDR protagonist in GTA. Woefully underrated.
>whiny
>makes excuses for his b***h gf
holy shit hes john marston!
>israeli
nevermind
>makes excuses for his b***h gf
Silly Dan Houser, you forgot about the character arc you yourself wrote!
>Everyone in 2023 : We need him back for GTA 6
no one has ever said this
Michael was the only good GTA V protagonist. GTA V would've been much better if they went with the original idea of him being the only protag instead of this character switching meme.
No one said that.
>Why did I move here? I guess it was the weather.
The frick? Nobody ever shat on Michael. He was the closest to the centerpiece of what a GTA protag should be. except for maybe Tommy.
>some self-hating white people on reddit
>everyone
Who the frick wnats him back, other than the nostalgic that will accept anything from before?
He's the worst MC of any GTA game, matched only be the other guys from GTAV. Claude had more of a character arc and at least he was mercifully mute.
Noone says either of those. That being said, I definitely wouldn't mind seeing past protagonists or even recurring characters more in these games (prefferavly without humiliating deaths like the biker guy)
I'm pretty sure the Niko wasn't in V just due to them fricking the VA over so hard.
>Michael
whiny alcoholic boomer who neglected his family and then did a pikachu face when they turned out spoiled brats. Al Bundy if he was rich
>Trevor
reddit's idea of an edgy character, in any remotely realistic world he'd be dead 50 times over. Even the writers forgot his backstory since he talked about his hopes of dropping a nuke as a military pilot (he's Canadian)
>Franklin
somewhat resembles black Michael except without money initially. Can't stop talking about moving up in life but what he really means is he wants to abandon small time crime and move on to big time crime
Micheal must be some kind of psychic to manipulate his high test Stacy wife into leaving and coming back because nothing compares to the intense hatefricking
>high test Stacy wife
You don't know what "high test" means
Don't interrupt a guy when he's fapping
>Niko but whining without reason
>Tommy but written by SNL
>CJ but without loyalty, family, or friends
>>GTAO
>Claude
>imfrickingplying niko wasnt a gay crybaby in gta4
NTA but Niko does whine CONSTANTLY about muh war and muh scars and muh revenge
It takes him a long time to even tell Roman about it, he's hardly "whining constantly"
he starts talking about the war and "we did some bad things" etc. exactly 2 minutes and 35 seconds into his first cutscene with Roman
>imfrickingplying niko wasnt a gay crybaby in gta4
He was whinnying because he was a veteran of the yugoslavian war. That's a pretty fricking good reason to whine about dude. Ans his life only went downhill from there, He'd be the first to tell Michael to shut the frick up, and he'd be right.
It only really started to drag when near the endgame you did have plenty of money yet Niko still acted like he was broke and not an accomplished hitman, that I won't deny.
Michelle literally said that organized crime is dead in IV and Niko's working as a hitman for wealthy mobsters. Phil and Ray both own businesses in blue collar trades. The Russian Mob has more wealth than them
and michael is whining because he has everything he could possibly want and is still unhappy which is more compelling than "i fought in some gay scandi war hinger dinger durgen"
I don't know how a middle life crisis that accomplishes nothing and goes nowhere is more interesting than a quest for revenge, but whatever.
Yeah, I'm glad he reconsiled with his insufferable sitcom b***h wife and kids, oh they would have been so dearly missed. How would he live without them.
>quest for revenge
for shit that happened offscreen. You also spend far more of the game doing gay b***h jobs for irishmen and roid junkies than your 3-4 mission revenge plot
The pacing of the story goes downhill after finding out Michelle is a fed
>You also spend far more of the game doing gay b***h jobs for irishmen and roid junkies
It's a GTA set in NYC, it comes with the territory
>>CJ but without loyalty, family, or friends
Kek
I actually like that Jizzy, OG Loc, Millie, and the Janitor in San Andreas had jobs outside of the story cause it adds a dynamic. Everyone in V is a socialite
I think Franklin is boring, but people who want Lamar instead are missing the point of the game. Lamar is all about small time hustles that aren't getting him anywhere, he spends the whole game getting them into worse shit with he ballaz. He also fricks up every single time.
But I'd rather follow a dumb CHARACTER than a level-headed boring self-insert for my to impress myself onto, who regards everyone he meets with unabashed contempt but then does whatever they ask anyways. At least Lamar makes sense in being the protagonist of a game where you're tasked with going someone and shooting someone over and over for 50 hours. Franklin has the personality of a post-Moira Overwatch hero.
Franklin is a pseud
>has nothing
>comes from nothing
>not particularly good at really anything
>main character complex where hes always along for the ride and always does exactly what you tell him, but he has to remind you that hes above all this
>does fricking nothing for himself on his own
WHATS NOT TO LIKE!?!?
I think you just summed up exactly why I don't like John Marston kek
>opinion
>john marston: welp, im supposin' you can think that, i'll respond in turn such that you dont really learn anything about me with a mild response that doesnt indicate any kind of belief structure besides "im a good guy who dun bad things and I love my family. Im also a big dumb idiot so if I had an opinion itd be worthless anyhow!"
somebody get john marston a Bafta award. Arthur is very similar as well except a little more of a gay lib
Man, the confrontation between Marston and Micah at the summit in american venom is really funny.
> How's that AIDS-ridden, ran-through, spread-legged, harlot prostitute of yours? After I kill you, I may just pay her a visit and RAPE AND KILL HER!
>She's holdin' up fine.
>Oh, and your son. He must be what, like twelve now? I guess I can scalp him, then cook him alive like one of those red injun bastards.
>That ain't fair, Micah.
>JOIN US MARSTON! I'm a survivor, scarface! Arthur was weak!
>That ain't gonna happen, Micah.
He's so dumb I find it kind of endearing.
kek
but to be fair that moment is just trying to illustrate what Abigail was saying to John before, that yes he does have a family now and he doesn't need to do this, while Micah has nothing to lose
I just find John's nonchalant responses to Micah taunting him really funny. He's dumb in a charming way.
It's just cost cutting, but it's weird that they made John have the same exact lines as Arthur if you do any of the side missions during the prologue. They definitely do have distinct ways of speaking, which this misses out on a lot.
>It's just cost cutting, but it's weird that they made John have the same exact lines as Arthur if you do any of the side missions during the prologue
Same with the animations. It feels jarring to see John behave and move like Arthur would during cutscenes. I understand why it's that way, but it also does feel weird because RDR2 is usually one of the most "attention to detail" games ever
Absolutely. I'd gladly give up all those horse balls shrinking-tier details to have Marston with his actual model (not Arthur's body with a looksmaxxed Marston head on top) and his actual hair, which instead is, again, just Arthur's hair but for some reason Jet black as opposed to the hair color he has in the story and RDR1. This, and how bare bones Guarma was, really go against the overall quality of this game.
>they patched out johns hair as an option because they thought it looked too weird on rdr2 john
swear everyone with any talent left the day RDR2 released
Is that actually real? It was available in a previous releass but it's gone? I need a screenshot.
Are there people who liked Michael? If you've seen The Sopranos, you've already seen his character type done flawlessly. No need for the b-list hacks at Rockstar to pretend they can compete with that. I'd be fine if he got killed like the biker from that GTA 4 DLC. The only decent person among the protags in GTA 5 is Franklin, and it's because he has no personality other than wanting to keep to himself and liking his gf and friend. Come to think of it, bring back franklin's friend. He's every black stereotype rolled into one. But since the 5th game, he's graduated from MIT and become the world's leading scientist. I think the people who don't even play videogames but somehow spend a substantial portion of their finite lifetime critiquing them will love it.
Are people really b***hing about the idea that the female protag of GTA6 might be a single mom?
I think that has hilarious potential for black comedy. Like trying to instill some kind of moral character in her kid while she goes out committing vehicular manslaughter on every commute and gunning people down for looking at her funny.
yeah theu already did that with John Marston
No they didn't. Or are you gonna tell me the tone of a GTA and a Red Dead game are identical?
GTA is meant to be farcical. They can lean into the tonal dissonance.
Really wasn't his fault, though.
A single mom wouldn't have time to double as a criminal robbing places, who would even take care of the kid.
A neighbor
some cousin or other relative
some hoodlum from the same neighborhood
later a nanny she can afford with the blood money
nta but I don't know why this is such a dissonant idea for you in a franchise where the protagonists are all constantly killing 100s of cops and stealing millions of dollars yet someone just driving away from the crime scene then going straight back to their house two miles away afterwards. If you guys just admitted that you don't want women to be apart of this gay criminal fantasy that GTA fans partake in, I'd at least respect your honesty.
>who would even take care of the kid.
No one, which is the last realistic part of being a single working mom ever
Does LA really have houses like Michael's? A nice big house with a pool surrounded by high rises? Seems uncomfy
yeah beverly hills. the irony is that its ugly as frick compared to old suburbs where the houses arent some build 100 of the same exact layout in a day type of deal
Los Santos is such an extremely condensed version of LA anyways that Michael is pretty much the only house on that street anyways.
Michael was the best character in GTA V. Trevor was an edgy homosexual and Franklin was a cheap copy of CJ. His story was the most fleshed out and he was probably the main char of GTA V because you start the game playing as him.
zoomers are scared of michael cus they could easily be his son
>the FBI put a famous bank robber and murderer in a expensive mansion in Los Angeles because he was a witness of his own crimes
This is what low IQ morons believe.
I dont remember a single thing about this guy at all. All the protags in GTA V were fricking awful and forgettable and they had 3 of them.
lmao that youtuber guy was right, the average GTA player is really dumb
you're trying too hard
is michael in witness protection, anon?
>again with this
no seriously, you have issues man
take your meds bro
I don't remember saying that. In fact, he is the only decent main character in 5 and the game should have been entirely focused on him, maybe even deleted Franklin's useless character.
>God what a douchbag
???????
Michael was legitimately the only good part about GTAV
I fricking despised playing as Franklin and Trevor. I couldn't care less if those two got murdered, meanwhile I actually wanted Michael to reconcile with his family and get his life back together
That's because Michael was the only one who felt like an actual character with struggles, ups and downs and depth.
Franklin was there to be your usual typical token Black person. Lamar would have been a better protagonsit. Trevor was an obnoxious, disgusting redneck with zero character depth in him besides "HE CRAAAAAAAAAY" that I thoroughly disliked.
It was just such a shit game. It would have been a million times better if it was just Michael and maybe have Trevor as a side character
Originally Michael was the only playable character, after you know this it all makes sense. Franklin specially feels extremely shoehorned in the story.
>Trevor is literally a barbarian chad that does whatever he wants
>Michael is a complete loser whose wife cheats on him, kids hate him, ends up a slave to real gangsters and the FBI
If you identify more with Michael than with Trevor I feel sorry for you...
trevor lives in a trailer park, plays with action figures and probably has 9 STDs
>trevor
>jacks off to thoughts of his mom
oh hes Ganker alright
Yeah but Michael would've ended up the same way if he didn't get a free pass to being rich
Also this just makes Trevor even more based
>barbarian chad that does whatever he wants
Trevor is the only actually bad GTA protagonist