62 thoughts on “Fallout 3 is true. NV is false.”

  1. New Vegas feels like a fan game to me. Convoluted does not equal good. The dialogue and plot, and the intersection of those elements with gameplay, are a disaster. Every character sounds like a grad student who’s just read nietzsche trying to impress his parents on Christmas break. None of them are particularly unique or memorable.

    As the player character, you can’t ROLE PLAY that you are a part of the fallout universe. You are thrown into this strange "old world courier" character’s world and have to play as him. You are asked to become and sympathize with a character that you have never heard of and isn’t particularly compelling. You aren’t really granted any freedom in the development of the character… in a choice based role playing game.

    Goodsprings is an awful, horribly paced tutorial. The game barely functions on a technical level.

    The final boss is Lanius, a character that doesn’t make any sense? Who is he? What relationship does he have with the player? It isn’t explained well enough. You only really see him at the end, and then you kill him.

    Compare towns in 1 to towns in 2. In one, it’s a dynamic level full of choices, espionage, and events unique to each playthrough. In 2, its re-used assets but the rooms are empty and theres a boss fight.

    I can understand why, to a 14-20 year old contrarian, 2 would be considered superior. But it just isn’t. Sometimes simple is good. Fallout 3 is a fun, clever take on a fallout adventure that puts the player in the drivers seat. New Vegas is a C+ first year philosophy essay written the night before it was due.

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      • not only that, the fnv quest has two outcomes, while the fallout 3 quest all leads to the same exact ending. even if you count the one optional reward, all the options provided lead to the same outcome, which is a big problem in fallout games since 3.

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    • >picks one of the lengthier quests in FO3
      >it’s still a glorified fetch kill etc. quest
      >different options are mostly just ‘bro how quick do you want to get through this quest?’
      absolute state of contrarians

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        • >dialogue to confidently convince a random merchant in a shop that you’re not working for casinos attempting to sniff out his contraband gear
          vs.
          >dialogue with one of the most important characters to the early game where your superior deductive skills lead to you repeating his own phrase back to him to please him; this is somehow considering an indicator of high intelligence

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          • But why does it need to be a destiny? Fawkes goes in, does shit, purifier is now in BOS control, I still live and continue on my Dad’s legacy by keeping the purifier safe under the eyes of my companions and my allies in the BOS.
            Win win.

          • AHEM
            IS FAWKES WAS UNABLE TP ENTER IN THAT ROOM WMYOU WOULD BE HAPPY?

            GAMEPLAY FORCED SO BETHESDA USED THIS SENTENCE TO MAKE IY CLEAR TO YOU
            IS YOYR DESTINY

          • >obsidian who’re too dumb to write anything but a yes or no answer
            vs
            >bethesda who puts in effort to write lengthy, intricate quests

            obsidichud

          • >can’t find a way to spin the image positively so he calls me a chud
            absolute state of bethesdrones
            btw it’s in response to a very simple closed question, why would you respond with ‘um well yes akshully I can in fact confirm I have never been affiliated with the new vegas casinos?’

  2. >first two games set up the return of civilisation from the brink of extinction over a period of 100 years
    >third game by Black Isle was going to continue upon that, would’ve seen the return of full nations competing for the southwest of the US
    >Bethesda says ‘lol no it’s apocolypse again but there’s 50S MUSIC AND WACKY WEAPONS AREN’T YOU ENTERTAINED :)’
    >homosexuallord somehow thinks that is a worthy continuation to the series

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    • TRADUCTION
      WHY BETHESDA FOR THE RESURRECTION OF FALLOUT USED HIS ORIGINAL THEMES INSTEAD OF SOME POLITICAL SHIT THAT COULD WILL NEVER EXIST LIKE ROMANS AND DEMOCRACY LMAO

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      • if you think Caesar’s Legion are literal Romans you’re retarded
        Edward Sallow uses their imagery as his inspiration, but they’re nothing like actual Rome at all, just a sad sack of tribals convinced they’re something greater
        that theme runs literally all through New Vegas. People rehashing old ideas and concepts from backwards in history and ultimately failing instead of looking towards the future and creating something new with its own risks, but far greater successes.

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        • CEASAR LEGION HAVE NOTHING OF ROMANS
          JUST A BUCH OF BARBARIANS

          THE THINK THAT MAKE ME MAD IS ABOUT THESE RETARDS WIN AGAINST NCR WITH PUNCHS MEANWHILE BOS ABD ENCLAVE LOST.

          FOR OBSIDIAN IDIOT 200K INDIANS WITH SPEAR CAN WIN AGAINS 1000 NAVY SEALS

          FOR THEM NUMBER>>

          […]

          OF WAR

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          • To be fair though, the point of the hoover dam conflict (And most quest lines that are anti NCR) is that the NCR has spread out way too quickly, their supply lines are thin and is prone to corruption. The legion points this out, House points this out, hell most of the NCR camps points this out. The NCR is stuck between their expansion into the Mojave and governing the current areas that they have under their "control".

            Traduction for 1

            40 YEARS AFTER FALLOUT 2 NCR HAVE 1 MILLION PEOPLE
            RADIATIONS DIDN’T COUND ANYMORE
            AND ARCHITECTURE RETURB TO 1800 WESTERN SHIT

            First of all you didn’t contradict any of my points at all. Junktown, Shady Sands and Necropolis alone show that society is reforming and all it takes is the spark to unite more people under singular banners rather than raiding groups.
            Second of all, what the fuck is "traduction"?

          • The legion can just kill their supply line and all of them would die of starving

            The legion can just siege them Dam and won

            NOTHING for some reason the legion who won every single field battle can’t wu without the help some dude
            >mr house
            Perfect show mr house give free fopd tp bcr homosexuals and send securitrons to help them
            NOTHING
            >Everyone is equal
            Fan fuct communism do not work between Africans

    • This. Fallout 1 was already showing society is reforming itself, Fallout 2 was showing new forms of governance and political ideologies forming. I will never forget the profoundness of Marcus’ entire story about a BOS paladin and a Super Mutant after a long battle just put down their arms and start talking. That to me is the spirit of fallout, a deconstruction of society and how radical points of history has changed how society functions. The fall of the Roman empire gave way to the "dark ages" but then society was rebirthed again during the Renaissance. The Fallout games from the very start made it clear it isn’t too interested in the whole "How humans survived after the bombs" but moreso "What humans do after they pick up the pieces?"
      This is also the theory behind Caesar’s legion, where the collapses of society forms a new, possibly better, combination of the two ideologies. I want to discuss more but we know that poojeet hates that shit.

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      • Traduction for 1

        40 YEARS AFTER FALLOUT 2 NCR HAVE 1 MILLION PEOPLE
        RADIATIONS DIDN’T COUND ANYMORE
        AND ARCHITECTURE RETURB TO 1800 WESTERN SHIT

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