>fantasy/sci-fi setting
>guns exist
>characters still use melee weapons
This shit is dumb, and there's no way to justify it.
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>fantasy/sci-fi setting. >guns exist. >characters still use melee weapons
>fantasy/sci-fi setting
>guns exist
>characters still use melee weapons
This shit is dumb, and there's no way to justify it.
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Key-blades are cool
Key-guns? Not so much
adding shotlock was a mistake
>giant key that people pretend is a sword
>cool
Bruh.
That's not possible, but whatever.
>no way to justify it
Handwave it with shields. Kinetic personal shields that can block bullets but don't work with melee due to how slow they are by comparison, so they aren't detected by the shield. Or shields so powerful you need to get inside them to actually damage the enemy, range at which you can only really grapple.
>That's not possible
It's possible, just exceedingly unlikely to happen given bullet speed.
>That's not possible, but whatever.
It's actually entirely possible when you have the power of friendship or JUSTICE on your side. If you'd like to prove this wrong, post a video of yourself trying to deflect a bullet with a sword while protecting your loved ones behind you. If you miss, we can tell you what's wrong with your form.
>KYS!
I accept your concession.
>the only response anon has is pasta
Okay.
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I didn't tell you to kiss anyone. I told you to believe in the me who believes in you and to kick reason to the curb.
Guns have reduced lethality
Block boolet with sword. Now wut?
>sword-gays BTFO by a mediocre sitcom
It makes sense if there are things like lightsabers that can block the fire from ranged weapons and can also cut through mostly anything.
Even then it's weird that no one seems to ever get off a good shot on said saber slingers.
That's more to do with the people using the weapon rather than the weapon itself. Entirely different conversation.
Mooks being totally useless is incredibly lame, yes.
>muh stormtroopers can't aim meme
Episode 3 was full of that
Kenitic weapons are actually highly effective in the starwars universe since they pass though shields meant for the more common blaster and lightsabers melt the round into a molten projectile that gasses the jedi, shorts lightsabers out and more massive rounds will continue through the saber and hit the jedi.
Yea well what if I rig my wookie bowcaster to fire lightsabers?
Checkmate forcegays
Well Star Wars is a bad example, what’s even the point of having lightsabers when everyone can just use the force?
Yeah I can hurl a star destroyer so let me take out my little laser sword
Guns will never be as cool as swords. Simple as.
Guns are inherently cooler than swords, because guns are actually effective.
My biggest gripe with One Piece. Ussop. Buy a FRICKING gun!
Thank you!
>calls himself Sniper King
>uses a slingshot
What the frick.
If you have to add lore to justify something, then you're basically admitting that it's stupid.
>If you have to add lore to justify something, then you're basically admitting that it's stupid
That's what lore is for, moron
Then I guess lore is inherently shit, since it only exists to justify bad writing, and not to enrich the setting and create potential avenues for storytelling.
It does both you autist.
>admitting that it's bad writing
>since it only exists to justify bad writing
So everything you disagree with is "bad writing" now?
Bad writing is bad writing.
I'm tired of made up technology that exists to justify dumb shit. Sorry the oh so complex nuance confused you. Dumbass.
>getting lectured in nuance from someone who got filtered by literal genre trash
kek
>i cant imagine a universe in which technology exists
>i cant handle a universe where guns arent numbah wan
>i want conflicts to be decided before they are fought by who has the biggest stick
jesus christ anon we already know youre an incredibly dull american, you can stop now
>>i cant imagine a universe in which technology exists
I can, but I'm tired of made up bullshit being used to justify even worse bullshit.
>>i cant handle a universe where guns arent numbah wan
Guns are objectively more effective weapons. It makes no sense whatsoever for fantasy/sci-fi characters to use melee weapons.
>>i want conflicts to be decided before they are fought by who has the biggest stick
That already happens anyway! Whoever has the bigger number wins, every single time.
alright, case closed everyone, anon is an actual moron
>tired of made up technology in science fiction
lmao
Think of it like this armor and shields were pretty effective against arrows in medieval times so people often used melee weapons. But as time went on weapons like guns were introduced making armor and shields less useful. In theoretical sci fi you could say the pendulum swung back and now shields and armor outpace guns thus again forcing more reliance on melee weapons.
But that just goes back around to making up excuses. And even then, people would just make better guns and devise other countermeasures to defeat these advanced shields.
What if they can’t make better guns, or maybe they could but they’re not economically viable or unwieldy
You're still just making excuses. There is literally no good reason why characters don't just use guns.
Yes there are. Bullet proof armor and shields. Even now common body armor is getting advanced enough that the military needs to upgrade its weapons. However, a mace or sword is cheaper to construct. It is imaginable that guns become less of a power house
>upgrade its weapons
Anon, stop talking.
>"Using your brain is boring."
Put that on a Ganker banner.
Use your brain appropriately, you autist. Rule of cool is more important than your attempts at being smart where it's not necessary. Nothing is more fricking annoying than some homosexual screeching about how lightsabers are impossible and wizards should be using some gay guns.
The rule of cool is nothing but pathetic delusion. Frick off.
"Speculative fiction" is just a pretentious label hacks slap on their work because they desperately want artsy types to take them seriously.
So you're mentally ill or something?
>everything needs to be boring and normal or my autism-riddled brain can't cope with it!
>pragmatism
>boring
Stupidity isn't cool.
I guess you’re not interested in a discussion
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/why-us-army-wants-gun-upgrades-199514
> Another problem is modern ceramic body armor, which the current 5.56 millimeter round might struggle to penetrate.
>anon continues to prove why they are extremely wrong and stupid
Are you? You're the one desperately trying to justify why a bunch of stupidly dressed teenage morons running around waving sticks is somehow supposed to be cool or interesting.
Desperately trying to pretend like fantastical imagery born from the brilliance of the human mind is "extremely wrong and stupid" doesn't make you look smart, it makes you look like a child begging for attention.
>"I never stopped being that moronic 15 year old who writes crossover fanfiction."
There is literally no reason for characters not to just use guns.
Tell that to Tolkien, homosexual.
Sci fi and fantasy are inherently "what if?" scenarios, there are no excuses when by default the situation itself is contrived.
>"What if everyone in the world made up excuses to use wanky bullshit instead of having any sense of efficiency?"
Rule of cool is disgusting prostituteshit, and should get you punched in the face.
Are you using your time efficiently right now anon?
If you can't grasp the basic speculative part of speculative fiction then anon you seriously be checked for autism.
Unless the game advertises itself as a simulation it can be fun.
>wanky bullshit
>fun
Your father should've pulled out. The world would be a better place.
Not vidya but that is basically what Dune does
Yeah, and Dune is shit. Not a coincidence.
low tier bait
>fantasy doesn't adhere to the reality of my world, SO IT'S STUPID
Personal force fields that repel high velocity/high energy objects but can be bypassed by a melee weapon.
We heard you the first time.
because with melee weapons you can get stronger, faster etc but with a gun how do you improve? you get more accurate? it's not like your bullets can hit harder or faster. it's fricking lame.
Simply put, guns are just less visually interesting. You point, there's a loud noise, people fall over. Melee weapons have a clearer obvious impact, which is why gunslingers have to compensate with acrobatics and stylishness or oversized/overengineered guns to be as 'cool'.
>if it's not fancy over the top wank, it's not cool
Why the hell does nobody appreciate pragmatism? Guns are cool because they fricking WORK. Seeing people dance around like idiots with glorified sticks lost its luster when I stopped being 10.
>anon is now making shit up in its diseased brain
Sad.
>I am adult and mature because I think swords are dumb
Ok, anon. Are you actually interested in having a discussion or are you going to keep saying that everything one could use to justify it doesn't count because you don't like it?
The fact you have to come up with something to justify the characters not using guns at all, is proof that characters not using guns is stupid.
Okay, you're just spewing a bunch of nonsense at me right now, and I have no idea what point you're trying to express here.
The reason you don't understand the incredibly simple story of Kingdom Hearts 3 is because you never played Kingdom Hearts 420/69, in which Sora does the Fusion Dance with Kakarot to unleash his Bankai, setting the stage for Kingdom Hearts 0.1919: Uploading My Heart, where Xehanort travels back in time to Marty McFly to stop the Libyans from getting access to Metal Gear Sahelanthropus, which is the data form of Sora in the form of a PlayStation 1 memory card. If you had corrupted the memory card, you would have seen the after game credits cutscene in which Optimus Prime gave the Matrix to baby Sora, leading directly into the PSP exclusive Kingdom Hearts: Kaleidoscope Heartbeat: Fate of 2 Worlds: Char's Counterattack, where the Nameless Yoshi lays the Death Egg, which hatches into The Master, who carries a box that contains itself.
That really was a great game, though.
Your comment was problematic. That doesn't necessarily mean you're a bad person, but refusing to acknowledge issues with your comment is just going to set yourself and others up for failure if you continue to drag your heals on this and say "that's not my intent and i'm not gonna talk about it anymore". You don't have to reply to me but please do think about it, ask yourself why these people think that your comment was so problematic and maybe just try to get it.
>Why the hell does nobody appreciate pragmatism?
Because not everybody is a boring as frick nerd.
YOUR THE FRICKing nerd you fricking gay retarfrf cpcl
Because its Disney + JRPG so of course magic and medieval weapons are superior
a sufficiently sci-fi enough setting would have modified people that have skin that can function as kevlar
Its been established as far back as fricking 2007 that keyblades are just glorified wands and the users can turn them into whatever the hell they want, yet they still resort to just bashing people in the head with them. Makes no fricking sense to me
Given that every time a keyblade is morphed it's temporary and that supposedly you need a sizeable degree of training to transform them maybe it requires some effort or strain on the user's part, making it more comfortable to fight with the thing in its default state. Idk
Warhammer
Now shut up you double Black person
Why not both?
Give me a lore reason why Mickey can use Stopza. Is he actually supposed to be a master yet or just another really strong Keyblade user? Did getting the Kingdom Key D improve his magic capabilities?
He's clearly considered a master, otherwise his apprenticeship wouldn't have ended.
Maybe Yen Sid got tired of him and kicked the mouse out, who knows
He also uses ultima so hes definitely up there power-wise
I think he is a master at this point but I honestly can't remember them saying it. You also forgot he can use Ultima as well unless you haven't played 3. Also we have no idea what Kingdom Key D really is besides it being a keyblade of darkness.
I did play 3 after the Re:Mind dlc came out on a friend’s copy to do critical mode run and skipped every cutscene aside from Axel and Kairi being useless so Roxas can come in and kick ass
I mean I get it if you skipped it all cause you haven't played all the other games besides the number title cause the story would make no sense.
mickey is the gayest motherfricker in the whole Kingdom Hearts series I would stomp his skull, given the opportunity
It's justified when the characters are so OP that guns are less effective than OP swords.
why not both
Has Prompto always had leopard print pants?
Rule of cool.
Because in fantasy and sci-fi there usually comes a point where you're outright stronger than a gun
Again, that's known as bad writing.
Guns don't exist on Middle Earth, dumbass.
But magic does, and that's not real, so you must get completely assblasted about him too.
Magic is a shitty narrative device that in practice only serves as an excuse for the writer to do whatever stupid shit they want without having to explain it.
>inb4 "But magic has consistent rules!"
Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffft!!!
Tell that to Tolkien, homosexual.
>tfw a unique and interesting game was forced into failure and obscurity because morons demand their precious hanzo steel chuuni wank
So this thread is "I don't like things that aren't REAL and PRAGMATIC and DOWN-TO-EARTH and I'm a VERY MATURE ADULT".
This thread is a bunch of idiots being unable to cope with the fact that melee weapons in a technological setting make absolutely no sense.
>Tolkien magic
>consistent
They make sense to justify them looking cooler. That's enough. It literally doesn't have to be more than that.
MUH RULE OF COOL is not an excuse for dumb shit. If you make a shit product on purpose, then all you did was make a shit product.
It's not a matter of realism, it's a matter of basic logic. There is no reason to use melee weapons in a technological setting. Ever.
Logic is based on realism, you fricking idiot.
No it isn't, you fricking moron.
Star Wars is shit. News at 11.
>No it isn't, you fricking moron.
Refuting a fact doesn't make it any less true, and it certainly doesn't make you look any less dumb. Get a brain before you make a post.
Logic: reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
You're a fricking moron.
That's because you're a brainwashed moron. Let me spell it out for your clearly damaged brain. If a setting has guns, there is no reason or the characters in that setting to use melee weapons because guns are inherently superior.
>Logic: reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
Imagine posting this and still not realising you're wrong.
>"In-universe rationale doesn't exist, even though that's what half the thread is using to try and justify swordgayging!"
Please just have a nice day.
What are you even advocating for? Your "quote" implies that the reality in the games' worlds are different to ours, so the reasoning is different, but you're still seem to be angry. Is it because you're so stupid?
>What are you even advocating for?
For characters to stop using melee weapons when guns exist in their setting.
But why? You're clearly arguing agrarian yourself. Your argument can't be logic, because by the logic of the world where melee weapons are used it just makes sense to use melee weapons. The reality of the world is different, so the same logic doesn't work.
We've been over this. Any lore explanations for why people use melee weapons are little more than a transparent excuse. It's no different from Minovsky particles, they only exist to justify close range space combat, and it's every bit as fricking stupid. The reality of a fictional world being different only highlights that the creator is a moron who wants a playground in which to do stupid shit.
WTF
>Logic: reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
What the frick do you reality is, your gigantic fricking buffoon.
Reality: the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.
Stop being stupid.
>If a setting has guns, there is no reason or the characters in that setting to use melee weapons because guns are inherently superior.
Everyone in Dune has personal shields so guns are useless.
>WAAAAAAAAAH I HATE SWORDS WHY ISN'T EVERY GAME LIKE MUH COWADOODYS NO FUN ALLOWED NO FUN ALLOWED I'M THE GROWNUP HERE AND YOU'RE ALL CHILDREN
A dozen posts in and this is the only thing I'm getting from you.
the swords are enchanted with +10 tho
>MUH POWER LEVELS
I fricking hate RPGs.
Day of the rope for realismgays when?
normalgays made DmC
I like project moon's justification for it in setting.
>Dystopian setting with singularity tier technology
>Body augments exist, and are pretty much mantuary for any fighter, seamlessly blend in with your body, to the point you don't look any different from the usual citizen
>Super strength, sturdy bodies, quicker reaction times, you name
>Cloth and even tattoos can also be sturdier than armor depending on technology applied
>Guns exist, but bullets are taxed to fricking hell, buying a couple of magazines are going to cost you a lot, almost as much as the gun itself in some cases
>The guns are also heavily imposed with rules, and limited in firepower, which cannot exceed a certain point despite the technology making it possible to make some extremely potent stuff
>Any higher tier fighter can deflect bullets thanks to their augments thanks to that, some are straight up immune to gunfire depending on technology applied to their clothing
>Couple that with the cost of bullets, and often you'll be running on red if you want to work jobs off your gun, that is if you don't frick up the job, and don't get paid
>shoot gun in ship
>risk damaging equipment in an expensive/profitable vessel
>risk self from breaches in the ship
>stab someone in ship
>no such risks
>Hoy, these metallic objects look useful. We should take them with us and use them in combat.
>guns are just a basic attack that you can slightly augment
>magic and physical skills are going to be better 100% of the time if you are running a magic or dex build respectively, the only reason to use a gun is for a zero cost attack
Guns don't really mean much when you're going up against demons.
No, you don't get it, anon. That's inefficient and stupid. Clearly they should just shoot them until they die. The only reason they don't is because some bullshit "lore" states that they couldn't which is meaningless and a literal waste of time.
>shoot demon with gun
>bullets get reflected back into your face
What now?