Just finished Final Fantasy 7. Was cynical at first but enjoyed it much more than expected.
What does Ganker think about it?
It got a lot right for the first 3d entry and still stands up surprisingly well IMO. Best battle UI in terms of conveying necessary information, probably my favorite ATB of the other entries with it I've played, (6, 8, 9) and short, unintrusive one-off minigames and proto-QTEs give a nice sense of variety a lot of games don't have nowadays.
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pure movie game non-playable garbage
FF6 is better
I'd agree in some regards. Story-wise FF6 is nice and concise while still being effective, but the exploration and world really felt limited by the hardware and I wish we would've been able to see some of the landmarks prerendered and fleshed out like 7.
I thought it was less homogenized than 6 at least. I haven't played 5 yet but I definitely wish something like the job system was in place to allow for more than a few roles.
I liked the aesthetic and setting, but the combat system was less engaging than previous FFs. Every character is homogeneous and can fill every battle role which makes things boring.
Try the New Threat mod. Characters are made more distinct statwise, but also more customisable.
>Every character is homogeneous
Sorta, Barrett, Yuffie, Vincent will have usually have long range weapons so you sit them in the back row without cost. Some limit breaks are more useful than others. There’s not a lot, but there is some difference’s.
One of the best JRPGs ever made. Truly the definition of "more than the sum of its parts".
Disk 1: Pretty good
Disk 2: *snore*
Disk 3: Oh, it got good again. Wait, it's over already?
It was my favorite game for a long time as a kid and more than anything else I remember the sheer scope of it. The story moved really quickly most of the time and when it wasn't it felt like you were exploring a huge, deep world. To this day there's never been anything like it for me.
If you ever feel like replaying it then I highly recommend the New Threat mod, 1.5 version.
I'm sure you have nostalgia bias. I have the same for Zelda 1 or Metroid II. But just to say, there's a lot of other RPGs with a much bigger scope and more exploration you can play.
>there's a lot of other RPGs with a much bigger scope and more exploration you can play.
Name some, that came out by 1997 and before.
There's none, but if you like FF7 you should strongly consider checking out other top notch RPGs from the generation, namely Grandia on the Sega Saturn and Panzer Dragoon Saga also on the Sega Saturn.
>Name some, that came out by 1997
Nice caveat. And even then, I'd say something like Dragon Quest V or Chrono Trigger would qualify.
chrono trigger's scope is really small. It's a nice story, but the world has very little to it.
Depends on what kind of thing you're considering for scope. You could say the same thing about FF7 if you're talking about say, exploration. It seems big because wow so many locations. But in reality, there's about as many locations as FFVI. And the amount of stuff to find in each town or cave is smaller than many games that came out before FFVII. Let alone games that came out after. And FFVII is very linear compared to other games.
Where FFVII has a big 'scope' is the amount of time and money put into visuals. And sure, it was the most expensive game up to that time. But again, that's not the only thing worth measuring.
Wouldn't even have stood out if it was on the SNES. For a ps1 game it's inexcusably bad. Same goes for its awful sequel.
tryingtoohard/10
Grandia
Daggerfall
>I'm sure you have nostalgia bias.
Oh, definitely, that was kind of my point.
A solid 7/10. (no pun intended)
Replaying it in 2018 as an adult and thinking about it critically. I think the midgar section is basically JRPG perfection. The pacing, writing, music, set pieces, the way it cuts seamlessly into FMV's etc. are all fantastic.
Then you leave the city and the game kinda falls apart. There is absolutely no consistency to anything. It's like square just had a bunch of assets and crap on the cutting room floor leftover from prototypes and they just threw it all in there. So you get to the next city Kalm and instead of the amazing set pieces of midgar and camera angles etc, you get this top down amateur looking village.
Then you get to the temple of the ancients and it looks like utter garbage. The stupid mini games are all over the place and controls awfully, the writing is a god damned mess and is barely coherent.
I loved it as a kid but it really stood out just how messy it is when i played it again as a boomer.
Yeah I feel similarly, Midgar was amazing and one of the best starts to an RPG but it falls apart a bit outside of that and I didn't like most of the minigames.
I also wish characters were a bit less homogenous as well and that some materia didn't require so much AP to master meaning you need to hold onto them for so much of the game (like Mug requiring twice the AP to learn as Fire/Ice/Bolt 3 does for some reason when you can get it as early as Zozo in FF6 - though maybe it was a deliberate way to force you to use some Double AP equipment a lot), I just preferred FF6's way of effectively capping magic by just not giving you access to magicite with Lv3 and better spells until the World of Ruin while you could get Lv2 spells and the like quickly enough earlier on and not have to keep holding onto the same magicite.
Despite those complaints I still think it's a good game though, the cast is great, limits were done significantly better than FF6, blue magic is amazing here and linking elements/status to weapons/armor was a great addition, been doing another playthrough of it as well.
Getting Mug so late sucked. Just end up using steal+added attack anyways.
FF7 is a very fun game that is surprisingly mature, also gay. Very VERY gay.
The remake is good.
Then go make a thread for it.
FF6 mentioned in second reply. Seethe.
But it's not out yet
Final Fantasy VII Remake™ is a different game
Is it ever happening, or is that just a meme?
>remake
Thats FF7 v2
totally different game.
I want to frick her non-existent brains out.
It's a wonderful oldschool RPG (if you're still into it, a bunch of people clearly aren't).
Random battles, towns, plot twists, Sephiroth turning into a GOD.
It's the complete pack.
Still Top 3 FFs, imo.
Just beaten the yuffie dlc for ff7r and was wondering what's up with that last boss fight? Nero? Edgemaster out of nowhere with incomprehensible le darkness anime powers. Felt really weak and underwhelming. Too random for my taste
i go back and forth on this and ffvi being my favorites. i think it has the best music of the ones ive played, and damn near all the side stuff is fun to do. i never really cared much for the characters outside of the game in other games/media. i mean i like them and the story was fine but the main reason i love ff7 is because of the actual gameplay itself.
It's not my favorite game in the series, but I definitely do believe that it belong up there as one of the bests. The soundtrack is really good for how it feels like something that was Uematsu still trying to grapple with a new console, the biking minigame is fricking great, and the only thing I can really complain about the game, which I can also complain about every other Final Fantasy, is how it's not really terribly difficult and could use a difficulty bump
one of my favorites
I gave Tifa the cursed ring on my most recent playthrough and equipped her with her weapon that does 4x damage if she has a death status on her. She became my hardest hitting character by far.
Overpowered female brawlers are the best. Finding a way to make them the strongest damage dealer in the game is even better.
Spouted some of the most iconic and recognizable characters in video game history
As someone who played it when it first came out, it was revolutionary. And thats where the story ends. First time play through will be great, all else is just imitation.
Nothing about it was revolutionary...not even the visuals and FMVs as other games had done it earlier.
FF7 lives or dies based on the “rule of cool.” Pretty much everything in the game opts to be cinematic. From limit breaks to graphics(at the time) summons — it just goes on and on. There’s not really much to sink your teeth to and the game is pretty easy (normal for final fantasy games)
But I can see why people really enjoy it.
6 8 9 and 10 are better. But still decent I guess
Millennial boomer here.
FF7 was one of THE biggest phenomena at the time, but I personally didn't get to play it before the Pokemon boom was already at full steam, right at the very turn of the millennia.
Needless to say the game blew my young teenage mind, and still ranks very high on my all time favorite lists. I've done some surface level analyzing, and overall I've come to a conclusion that the OG FF7 just does a ton of things right for a game so old and "experimental" for its time. It's fairly easy for newcomers to pick up and play, but has enough optional side content and meta to dig into to keep veteran players entertained.
I absolutely love the world and the audio-visual design. I wish the franchise would dare to be so stylized once again; this photorealism meme's only feeding the r34 coomers, nothing more.
The story's actually pretty well told, and it's quite interesting to spot all the early foreshadowing in the dialogue during repeated playthroughs.
Played it when I was kid, but lost interest once Aerith died, and couldn't beat the stupid jenova boss or whatever anyways, so I just stopped. Maybe they're onto something with remake, because having best girl die just wasn't it for my 5 year old soul.
>having best girl die just wasn't it for my 5 year old soul.
Yuffie doesn't die though.