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DS1 = BB > ER > Sekiro > DeS >> DS3 > DS2
fpbp even though I have a soft-spot for ds2. anybody who thinks ds3 is better than ds1 is braindead
fixed that for you
If Sekiro isn't at the top your list is garbage
sekiro is too hard to be god tier
Sekiro isnt that hard gay boy
Put Sekiro at D and we have a deal
>muh tru-japanese parry simulator
>Miyabi in B
My top 3? Elden Ring, Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 1, simple as.
Ds3>Ds2>BB>ER>Sekiro>ds1
>GOD TIER
Bloodborne
Sekiro
Dark Souls
Demon's Souls
Elden Ring
Armored Core VI
>GOOD TIER
Dark Souls III
>DECENT ENOUGH TIER
Dark Souls II
ACVI is not a souls game
True. His list is bad, but OP made FromSoftware tier list thread, not Souls tier list thread.
then they should also include Deracine
oh that's right, not even the most hardcore fromdrones know about that flop's existence
Being locked to the PSVR will do that, I'd have loved to try it out, even if it took me years to take the VR pill, but PlayStation probably paid them for it and it'll never be on PCVR now. I at least watched it because the setting and story was interesting
I am a hardcore VR gamer with actual thousands of hours in VR and I will never touch PSVR because holy FRICK the fact that 2/3rds of the exclusives for Playstation in the past seven years have been for the fricking CONSOLE VR PLATFORM is the most deranged and painful thing to be made reality. It hurts the VR industry because cool VR games are made exclusively for a platform nobody respects, it hurts Playstation's actual game count because they're spending dev time that could be spent making exclusives on games NOBODY WILL PLAY, it fricking sucks.
don't you Black folk get tired of discussing the same fricking games over and over again for years?
I say this as someone who likes them but god fricking damn, find something new to play
FromDrones are like actual npcs, they keep making this same thread, its like the 421254th thread by now. How many more? we will never know.
If you have Sekiro higher than C your list is garbage
i agree, chained ogre is very not poggers
Sekiro is the only game they've ever made that doesn't go to complete shit at the e nd
Yeah it's just boring parry slop all the way through, consistent if nothing else.
There's no other souls game half as exciting, dynamic, tense, strategic, or fun as Scholar. How would this play out in any other souls game? Maybe you'd run in, press the roll button at the right time and move on your way. Not the whole level being flipped on its head and the battlefield being turned around.
This isn't really important for souls fans. They care more about muh atmosphere, lore, and other gay shit. "Open ended tactical gameplay, huhhhh just let me press duh roll button at duh right time dark souls wahoooo durrr durrr dark souls yeah woahhh!"
We'll never get an adventurer's sandbox style of game like ds2 again because it's too deep, hard, and complicated.
>it's too deep, hard, and complicated.
...lol (mfw when Dark Souls 2 is literally just DS1, but less refined and designed) I wonder if these people are really sentient
"Less refined and designed" is just make believe fanboy speak that doesn't anything. lmao. 2 has balanced mechanics and far more advanced build variety and character customization. Where as the whole gameplay to ds1 is just circle strafing enemies and backstabbing them. But...i know, challenging gameplay and well designed scenarios is the least important element in a souls game. What makes or break it is the elevator making sense
You're right
The combination of level design and enemy placement here is so perfect.
oh great ds2trannies are getting uppity again
>Not the whole level being flipped on its head and the battlefield being turned around
That happened in Elden Ring actually
>Enemy hits player
>They don't immediately lose 70% of their health bar and are forced to chug two flasks back to back to avoid dying
How the frick are Elden Ring hypebeasts able to tolerate, let alone defend, the fricking mess that is the damage system in that game.
DS > DeS > Bloodborn > everything else ~= everything else
the surge 2 is really good
if you haven't played it i recommend you do, it's better than the first one
>blasphemous
>salt and sanctuary
why are they on this list? gonna put sotn on there too?
Both are trying to be dark souls 2D metroidvania while being shit at both
frick those games
I don't get how those 2 are on the list but not hollow knight. What? They all have the 2d souls combat and souls, bonfires, etc mechanics. I do agree though, add none of the 2d games or all of them, and include sotn
2d soulslikes don't exist, they are all metroidvanias
Wo schlong sucks
Everyday Ganker reminds I'm surrounded by FromSoft casuals.
im not sure how you can possibly ever put DS1 that low even unfinished its still the GOAT
>ctrl+f Ninja Blade
>404
sekiro > ds1 = er > des > ds3 = bb > ds2
>no tenchu
fake fromsoft fan
From best to worst.
>pic
Sekiro and ER are not good enough to be on this list, and I fricking hate DS3
Can you imagine just casually strolling into an area with this many enemies in ds2 lol you'd get your ass handed to you so quick. And here the gameplay is like literally playing itself.
DS2 is like 1 on steroids.
> you'd get your ass handed to you so quick
no you wouldn't you have like infinite healing in ds2 and more iframes on your roll for peak rollsplopping
If you wanna rollslop in DS2 that's your choice where that's literally just every other souls game by default.
i don't wanna rollslop, i don't want to play ds2 at all
it's the worst in the series by far and i am actually bewildered why you people think it's some kind of deep misunderstood masterpiece
Because the enemies do things and the mechanics aren't complete cheese and it doesn't play itself with auto aim attacking and roll spam..? But somehow that's not important.
didn't we do this yesterday?
we do this every day (and have for the past 10 years)
multiple times a day even
so stockholm syndrome or sunken cost fallacy?
You're just staging some cheesy exploit. What the frick is this supposed to prove? The fundamental gameplay of DS1 is broken before getting into builds, exploits, OP weapons, overleveled characters, etc. And DS3 is fundamentally hack n slashing roll spam garbage and all the levels are swamps. But somehow I"M FRICKING CUHRAZZY because DS2 is the better game than either of them? Wow!
you are CUHRAZZY because you think DS2 is a better game than 1, yes
It's a lot more challenging, the mechanics are better, it plays better, there's more levels and bosses, the enemies actually do things, better weapons, movesets, and ways to customize my character and play the game...b-but 1 is just BETTERER b-because... BECAUSE IT JUST IS "youtube dark souls 1!" Wow okay.
>It's a lot more challenging
no it isn't you can buy unlimited healing before the last giant boss
> the mechanics are better, it plays better
the game only has 8 directional movement and ADP is moronic
>there's more levels and bosses
more =/ better
(Not That Astronaut)
Me thinks that you is wrong, abd granny merchant moves to Majula after you kill Last Giant. When she is in Forest, she sells 99 or 100 lifegems.
my bad my friend, it has been 6 years since the last time i played ds2
so the game doesn't become piss easy until after you beat the first boss
>no it isn't you can buy unlimited healing before the last giant boss
The healing is way better in 1. And you get unlimited healing in that game too. All the evidence, experience, and webms in the world point to DS1 being easier but you're a fanboy with ds2 derangement syndrome and think lifegems makes you invincible while conveniently ignoring you can just put on armor in ds1 and quite literally tank the hardest boss in the game and outheal any damage you receive.
>the game only has 8 directional movement and ADP is moronic
It has 360 degree movement, diagonal rolling, free sprinting, is more responsive, and adp keeps the game being rollslop iframe cheese.
>more =/ better
yeah that's right. When the levels are No Mans Wharf, Brume Tower, and the bosses are Smelter Demon all better than anything in DS1.
>and adp keeps the game being rollslop iframe cheese.
how? you put a few points in there and then have more iframes than any roll in 1 even with the ninja flip ring on
That's your choice to level it up. If I wanna play DS1 without broken levels of iframes I cant.
put on heavy armor
or don't dodge and instead block/parry
You still have lots of iframes in heavy armor and heavy armor is its own problem because poise is more broken than the rolls.
then equip medium armor and don't dodge just block
also i don't think that 9 frames are that much, compared to the 16 you get in ds2
See. You're just limiting the already limited build variety in order to have a game that's not cheese. And medium armor is relative. If I increase stamina than I become fast again. This is all stupid. Everything about how 2 handles character creation and balances its mechanics is way better and makes the game a lot more fun. But somehow FUN is not a high priority and instead "look at this elevator that doesn't make sense isn't that funny! muh Mauler videos says objectivially it must be true uhhh" Couldn't give a shit. 2 is better because it's a game that's better to play and replay.
why is increasing a stat to be able to carry more equipment stupid, but having a stat that magically makes you invincible during a roll is not?
>Everything about how 2 handles character creation and balances its mechanics is way better
you see putting points into a stat in ds1 to equip a weapon and increase its damage is so limiting but if you do it in 2 it's good
> instead "look at this elevator that doesn't make sense isn't that funny! muh Mauler
dude take your meds, i never mentioned mauler or the elevator but the elevator is actually a valid complaint about how stupid the worldbuilding is
>why is increasing a stat to be able to carry more equipment stupid
It's not. Combining endurance with equip load is stupid. What if I wanna increase endurance to be able to block better, then now i'm rolling better? Makes zero sense.
>having a stat that magically makes you invincible during a roll is not?
You're magically invincible in every other souls game by default. There's nothing different here if you wanna put 50 or however many points into adp to get iframes except now it costs something at least. And I can still tweak my character to be fast and have lots of stamina in DS2 without also having iframes. Something I cant do in DS1. I'm forced to play this very specific character, not wear this or that armor, cant customize my character at all, in an rpg game, if I dont want broken poise and cheesey amount of iframes.
you have a very weird definition of an rpg or character customization
let me turn that around to ds2
what if i want to build a character that has the biggest largest iframes but i don't want to drink my estus faster, i can't do that ergo the customization sucks
How is that a weird definition of an rpg or character customization? That's what Dark Souls is. An action rpg.
>what if i want to build a character that has the biggest largest iframes but i don't want to drink my estus faster, i can't do that ergo the customization sucks
t's not going to effect anything because drinking estus .002% faster can barely be called a build. You're just being facetious. Where as there's fundamental flaws and limitations, that will actually effect how you play the game, in how you create and customize a character in ds1. And the mechanics are broken. And DS3 stats dont matter. Customization doesn't mean anything. Everyone is really really good at rolling a lot and a character pretty much plays the same from start to finish. 2 is just a better balanced, deeper, and mechanically superior game to all of them.
let's ignore the dodge/iframe part for a second
why do you think there is not options to customize your character or you are not allowed to wear this or that armor
and how is that any different in 2?
you put points into dex/str/int/fth whatever to do your spells, equip your weapon and then you throw on some armor that either looks cool or gives you the best possible defense for the desired weight group
IT IS LITERALLY THE SAME
>. And DS3 stats dont matter.
why do you people always have to mention ds3? no one cares about that game right now
>2 is just a better balanced, deeper, and mechanically superior game to all of them.
2 is unfinished, didn't deliver on the promises from the trailer, has janky controls, overrelies on spamming enemies and the only good thing about it is the faraam armor
>Combining endurance with equip load is stupid. What if I wanna increase endurance to be able to block better, then now i'm rolling better? Makes zero sense.
Anon... do you understand the concept of physical stamina, or, shall we say, physical endurance? Have you ever exercised? (END was overtuned in DS1 and it's good they separated things for balance reasons... but come on!)
More endurance can help you roll more but it shouldn't help you roll better.
>why do you think there is not options to customize your character or you are not allowed to wear this or that armor
>and how is that any different in 2?
You're the one telling me to only use "medium" armor because I dont want 'x' iframes from being too fast and I also dont want too much poise. Your solution is making the already simplified character customization more limited in what I can do. What's different in ds2 is I can tweak my character to be a dozen different things... fast, have lots of stamina, wear whatever armor I want independent of iframes. And poise isn't broken in DS2 so I don't feel dirty having it. It's a much better balanced game that encourages you to experiment and play however you want across a wider range of builds.
>2 is blah blah...
Now you're just getting emotional and deranged. Where as i've actually been arguing with evidence and facts why it's better. I dont have time for your feelings.
>wear whatever armor I want independent of iframes
and you don't think that is bad? that you can have the same iframes with a fast roll as with a fat roll?
>And poise isn't broken in DS2
because poise is nonexistent after ds1
>Now you're just getting emotional and deranged
let me just quote you from a previous post
>But somehow I"M FRICKING CUHRAZZY because DS2 is the better game than either of them? Wow!
you haven't been arguing with facts and evidence you are just claiming that ds2 is more balanced and ds1 is broken and then posted 2 cherry picked webms that are somehow more valid than my cherry picked webm
>I can tweak my character to be a dozen different things
you have the same costumization as in ds1 but you have to/can put points into giving your dodge more iframes
>and you don't think that is bad? that you can have the same iframes with a fast roll as with a fat roll?
No
>because poise is nonexistent after ds1
You're just wrong. Poise is good in DS2 without being moronic.
>you have the same costumization as in ds1
No you dont. This isn't an opinion. It's the facts.
>This isn't an opinion. It's the facts.
i agree, your obsession with not putting points into ADP doesn't make the character building more complex or deeper
And here you're being emotional and deranged again. There's a million things that give you more flexibility like 4 ring slots instead of 2 BUT NO it's duhhh same cause I say so with no facts or reasoning uhhh...
why do you have to resort to personal attacks
the ring slots is actually a good argument you don't have to lower yourself to kindergarten tactics
let's try it like this, walk me through the dark souls 2 character building process. we are making a character now right i just started the game and we decided if we want to abuse iframes or ignore ADP okay
we got double rings, that's good
what's next? what are the other 999.999 things that make the customization better(you don't actually have to name 999.999 things i am just messing with you)
Duel wielding and powerstancing
you can dual wield in 1 too
but yeah powerstancing is good
never used it myself but you can do some kick ass martial arts with the boner knuckles or whatever they are called
anything else?
>you can dual wield in 1 too
And it's bad.
i agree
but it is an option just like not putting points into ADP
also i could argue that that is historically accurate, because why the frick wouldn't you use a shield or a big weapon with reach
more types of magic. more weapons and equipment. Armor specific effects. higher skill caps. No equip load breakpoints before 70%. Equip load effects stamina regen speed and roll distance linearly.
The duel wielding not working correctly directly effects what you can do when duelwielding. That's player customization and playstyle.
>The duel wielding not working correctly directly effects what you can do when duelwielding. That's player customization
see this is where we disagree, i think putting a specific weapon into your hand is customization yeah
but the types of attacks you do or can't do is not
unless you have like a god hand system where you can decide your own combos
playstyle sure, i can agree with that description
You can make a viable build for any playstyle in 10 minutes at the start of DS2. Here's the hex build guide.
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Meanwhile, all DS1 has going for you is rushing the chaos zweihander. Are you going to bring up life gems next and ignore the infinite full heals you can get in DS1 because of humanity?
Watch them disagree with you even though you're right. Nobody dual wields in 1. It's how dishonest these fake fans are.
>OP hexer
what so OP dodges is bad but op hexes is good? seems kinda hypocritical
>Are you going to bring up life gems
i love bringing up life gems and no i am not ignoring infinite humanties that you could farm, but i think the thing you misunderstand or not think about is
you get those life gems easier and it is extremely hard to run out and you can use them with much less risk in combat than humanity, h
ell the one thing i remember from my ds2 run was that life gems were a safer option to heal in combat than estus because the animation was faster
Nothing about hexes or rolls is related. What are you even talking about? You can decide to have OP rolls if you want?
Ds2 has the best elemental stat system of any souls game because of how fire and dark scaling work. Fire scales with the higher of int/fth while dark scales with the lower, so basically any stat build can be viable and you can still buff infused weapons. Even elden ring gets this wrong.
that would be cool, if ds2 didn't give you so god damn many levelups that you become a jack of all trades and master of all by midgame
Is there any evidence of this hypothetical character existing by midgame?
why don't you trust me? i thought we were friends
Don't you end up being level 170+ simply by killing every boss?
No. Even if you never buy anything or lose your souls. And he said mid-game.
do you have any evidence that this isn't enough?
and you would only need level 128 if you want to reach the soft cap in vigor, str, int and faith
it's not hard to understand
ds1 and demons have great level design but shit bosses, ds2 is the reverse of that
DS2 just attracted an interesting type of contrarian. Then again, I went in expecting worse, and ended up getting a pretty decent enough experience. I can see why people like it, I just don't think I'd come back to it as much as the other games.
there are definitely worse soulslike out there
like the original lords of the fallen
but i would rather replay ds1 too or even play 3 with a friend in "coop"
If this was ds2 there'd be 400 enemies in this room that hit you through walls while 100 enemies shoot fire balls that blow you up while you're nowhere near it all while being in a single ugly corridor with one door that has a insta kill pit infront of it
And yet there's zero evidence of this happening and you're just deranged.
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elden ring fricking sucks
personally i think ds2 is better than ds1 and demons cause the bosses are better and there is better fashion and build variety
sekiro > ds2 > elden > ds3 > ac6 >>>. ds1 > des >>>> bloodborne
I just finished lies of p and im shocked at how good it was. imo it's better than ds3 and definitely the best souls-like to ever come out.
Interesting takes. Sometimes it's nice to see based shit but then you always see ds2 way up on the list and it immediately becomes fricking shit
Prepare to die
If you tried playing this way in ds2 and just think you can stroll into a room of guys you'd get your ass handed to you so hard. That's why the game actually encourages you to use your brain and come up with creative solutions to problems. Because it's ganks are so much more dangerous. The mechanics so much more punishing. That's why it's so good.
You can't deny this.
2 is way better than those games if you actually value open ended tactical gameplay, freedom, depth, and challenge.
base game bloodborne is D tier and the DLC is B tier
id put sekiro S and this is as perfect as it gets
every single list in this thread is bait. impressive
Says the guy who has no balls to post his.
lel
I wish this picrel was the used cover art its so much cooler
I agree, but at least the one they chose is also pretty nice
Why do people like Sekiro more than DS? Aren't you just replacing rolling with parrying with combat?
parrying fun
Forgot to put every Armored Core game (there are 15) above every soulslike game
all the souls games are the same game
all wrong
>I liked it
Metal Wolf Chaos
Sekiro
>I haven't played & want to
Armored Core (series)
Otogi (series)
>I haven't played & don't care to
Everything else
Where are my Kings Field bros at
bros?
My friend took it very hard when I countered his "Elden Ring screams souls, you'll understand when you meet enemies that come from Dark Souls" with "Those enemies exist in Kings Field, you know?"
>making a genuinely good list only to put bait at the top
elden slop has no replayability
If you can't reverse backstep then your "Souls" game is just vomited Shibuya garbage
>DS1=BB>ER>DS2>DS3
sekiro is good but it's not a souls game and doesn't belong in the list. it's more comparable to a game like MGR then souls.
didnt expect furry to have best post in this thread
>S
Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, Elden Ring
>A
Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 3
Didn't play Sekiro.
In the past I might've had the Dark Souls games in different tiers but looking back now they all have some nice qualities and some not so nice parts too. All in all I think these are all good games and none of them can rightfully be called "bad"
DeS = DaS1 > DaS2 > DaS3 > ER > Scholar of the first shit > Sekiro
Never played BB. I won't buy a newer Snöy console.
Sekiro > Elden Ring > Bloodborne > DS2 > KF4 > DS3 > DS1 > DeS > who gives a shit
People say half of DS1 is bad all the time, but it's seriously that bad. Shit like the dragon asses was laughable. It was my first souls game so I don't have nostalgia clouding my judgement.
The only people who disagree with this list are zoomers
There is seriously no way that elden ring can be considered a masterpiece.
>Ubisoft open word games are fine when FS makes it.
It has bothered me for years that Demon's Souls fans cannot accept the idea that their game has good atmosphere but another game did it better. What about the difficulty? Who in this thread has ever died more than say 15 times in an entire Demon's Souls playthrough? The game is piss easy.
To address the other games quickly, DS2 and DS3 are so bland they deserve to be in the same tier. So objectively it's -
DS1, Bloodborne >>> DS2 & 3 >>> Demons Souls, Elden Ring
ER is awful
I think Melee only sorta became a blight on the community for these games. I get the scorn against spells in earlier games because it trivializes things, but once you get to a skill-level where using weapons bigger than or equal to a greatsword is pretty easy, then bringing some ranged stuff really adds a lot. It makes the levels way more fun, even on a basic level like using those firebombs you get early on. I think this actually gives points to Sotfs and Bloodborne for some obvious reasons to those who’ve played them. For bosses, it can make some gimmick fights very different but I usually do go back to melee only here. Except in Elden Ring where I bring some throwing knives, fan daggers, or crossbow to keep up those gauges, which also just makes melee more viable in that game. I thought this was really fun in Sekiro too, you’re playing as a Ninja I get the joy in deflecting everything as much as the next guy but doing all the other shinobi things is really fun even after you’ve gotten good enough to beat bosses with the basics.
How do I rate PS3 Demon's Souls as better than PS5 Demon's Souls?
3D Dot Game Heroes is my favorite.
Out of everything I've played
DS1 > BB > DS3 > ER > DS2
I have DeS for my PS3 and just need to play it. Eventually I'll play Sekiro too.
I reinstalled Elden Ring for the first time since release and within an hour felt like the open world made everything feel meaningless and I uninstalled.
It makes replays so much worse, but I genuinely feel it made the first playthrough a lot better. When you're a stupid idiot with no idea where things are, the endless plains are inviting. Now that you know where X weapon or Y boss is, it's just an annoying waste of time.
Based. Sekiro is S, move ds3 down and ds1 up a tier and your list is perfect.
Switch DaS and ER, and it's correct