That wasn't the impression I walked away with. It was more along the lines of "you were killing actual people with their own emotions and motives all along". At the end of the day Shadows/Gestalts bear the lion's share of the guilt since they both created the situation and knew more about it than the Replicants did.
Spec ops: The line. >Try to kill incoming enemies with my guns >They just keep on respawning infinitely >use white phosporus >It spreads outside the main combat area and kills a whole lot of NPC's who I didn't know existed before I started blasting >ermuhgerd player! You are the monster now!
If they didn't realize it was time to gtfo when there was an active war going on besides them then I won't be held responsible for any splash damage casualties.
Spec ops the line is so fricking overrated. Especially the "it was all in his head" twist at the end. The end should have just been Conrad berating you for making the situation worse, then give you the option to shoot him.
Yami hates losing. That's why he was considering killing Kaiba on the island just so he doesn't have to throw the game and Yugi had to stop him. The season is still shit and contrived but it wasn't ~that~ out of character for him, he was never a particularly nice person, especially in manga.
nta, I recommend reading from the very beginning. It plays with other games like Tamagotchi, yo-yos, and theme parks before the author settled on Duel Monsters.
there's a huge disparity since the original manga was more of a horror-fantasy story about a boy being possessed by an amoral sociopath
when the manga got soft-rebooted to Duelist it pretty much ignores most of Yami's development since the big growth he goes through at the end of the original was to spare/save Mokuba after he loses
he's way nicer in Duelist and his "evil" deeds get erased
>character does something questionable because of a personal character flaw >people cannot grasp this and think every action a character takes must be extrinsically motivated
It's honestly scary how dumb people are
>stop caring about Yu-Gi-Oh before I even hit 10 years old >was never that big into it anyway >find out a few days ago that Pharaoh legitimately lost to some literal who >throw an autistic mental shit fit
I don't know where the frick that came from.
>You can summon and activate yugioh cards irl >The cards cannot disobey your orders and you're immune to their effects and attacks >Most monster cards are intelligent and have memories >They can be your friends
I'll let your perverted mind fill in the rest
>terrible murder torture slavers
Worse than that, they literally invaded remote human colonies, killed everyone except the women and children, and that was only because they took the women and children as sex slaves.
And then ME3 expects us to feel bad about killing Batarians? Frick that, killing Batarians is better than they deserve
Remember that one audio log from ME2 where the batarian diplomats were getting pissed at the council because the council didn't respect their cultural right to be slavemongers? Or in ME1 where the captured human slave girl was rigged up to wires that made her obedient through sending pain directly to her nerves?
Undertale, except it's even worse. It presents you with a series of logical choices both in and out of universe, yet deems only one of said choices to be correct and shits on you for picking the others because you didn't use meta knowledge to choose. It also gatekeeps the only 2 worthwhile bossfights behind a route where everyone shits on you.
Frick Toby and frick that game.
>a character in-universe playing his part is the same as the meta-narrative of the game itself shitting on you for not following a specific set of actions despite being given no incentive to, all as a moral bait and switch to show you how "awful" you are
Eat shit and go suck Toby's wiener some more to see if he finally gets off his ass and finishes Deltarune
>not even b***hing about genocide
What's the problem again, remind me? Sans doesn't even explicitly harass you unless you kill his brother, the ONE THING IN THE ENTIRE GAME THAT IS INCAPABLE OF KILLING YOU AND LITERALLY SPARES YOU NO MATTER WHAT.
Papyrus literally can't kill you. Toriel can't kill you unless you intentionally ram yourself into her attacks.
That's not to mention that you can kill as much as you want and still get the Neutral ending.
Dragon quest builders 2. A moronic king arrests your best friend and you can't stop him. You can't even destroy the jail to help your friend evade (in a minecraft-like game where almost everything can be destroyed). When the morons finally release your friend he is legitimately pissed and refuses to talk with you.
The blood mage plotline in 2 is so dumb >blood mages cry templars are buttholes and doing horrible things to them >At every turn blood mages are fricking everything up >every time they cast it once they get addicted and end up summoning abominations >even killed your mom >game expects you to feel bad for them and side against the templars
dumb fricking game dude
shame it was that dumb, in 1 it was fun to go EXTRA HERETICAL with blood magic and the major problem with it was inept or greedy less than skilled mages using it, whenever someone competent used it, it worked out fine
It's not so much that the game expects you to side with blood mages, but rather that the game tries to go "the actions of some lunatics hungry for power should not reflect on all mages" but then even their leader ends up resorting to it when pressed and you just feel like a moron for helping them.
Maybe they were trying to go for a "both sides have their faults" thing but they did it terribly.
shame it was that dumb, in 1 it was fun to go EXTRA HERETICAL with blood magic and the major problem with it was inept or greedy less than skilled mages using it, whenever someone competent used it, it worked out fine
In 1 at least it makes sense for you to go blood mage since Grey Wardens are all about using any means and any people they can get if it means preventing or stopping a blight, which is exactly what you do.
don't forget that the joining ritual IS blood magic, ancient and sort of primitive blood magic, but blood magic none the less
the entire existence of the Grey Wardens is due to blood magic, and the Templars sort of put a blind eye towards it because they don't want the shitstorm of outing them as heretics
Even if it wasn't blood magic the templars still wouldn't want to start shit with wardens. Not unless they forgot they'd likely be next on the list to go into the darkspawn trenches if the wardens were gone.
It was a fully wasted potential of a arc by having garbage duel gameplay.
The virtual world arc of Yu-Gi-Oh are the peak of filler, good animation, engaging duels throwing twists like triple duels, ban lists, and deck masters, and it actually ties with previous filler.
I like it a lot as well but it suffers from both pacing (after how "action" packed it starts with Yugi losing the god cards and Dartz summoning big monsters they slow down a lot for a while and the story only picks up until the Raphael duel, then it slows down until the last Joey duel and then the last duel is way to complicated for its own good, even if it is way shorter than the final Noah duel) and not using the whole monster spirits all that much, I feel it would've worked better if it had both worlds fusing and real monsters attacking was a constant threat
>put frog in the porthole?
No.
Also, The first Witcher (coincidence?). No, I will not keep on murdering everyone for progress' sake.
Dropped both games due to this shit.
Didn't Raphael cut off the bridge and they were in the middle of the desert? Honestly if it wasn't for Yugis friends he probably would have died out there.
They'd have just sat around until their friends came and picked them up. The smart thing to do would have been rip the seal up and explain to Raphael why his philosophy on life is moronic
It never dawned on me at the time but I recenlty watched an analysis of this duel and
not only it was pretty dumb that Raphael's strategies worked at all but Atem had literally no reason to play the Seal, there was nothing to be gained or lost from the duel itself other than his pride about losing and while Raphael starts talking mad shit about Atem he hand no reason to believe a single word of it
would have been more interesting if Raphael had played a proper strategy deck that was beyond infuriating to play against
jar-based stall, lockdown with final countdown or something equally degenerate (for that era)
Literally, if he had just set the Seal before he played Card of Sanctity, he would have won. He'd have drawn into catapult turtle sooner and won before Raf could do anything.
A lot of Yugioh duels are won because someone made a stupid misplay. For example Mai lost against Marik for summoning Ra instead of just attacking with her 3 harpies. Or she lost against Yami for falling for his face down normal spell bluff. She got fricked by the writers so hard.
the bluff is a reasonable course of action for a character to take in that situation but not attacking with the Harpies is a genuine pants on head moron moment, like there's literally no reason to try to summon Ra in that scenario when they could have contrived one like "oh he has a trap that destroys monsters when attacking but Ra is immune to traps"
I think the running theme of that series of duels was Marik's opponents being tempted to use Ra against him. Kind of like in LOTR people were tempted to use the Ring against Sauron.
In the case of Mai, needing a degree in Egyptian literature is just plot fricking her over. Atem would have won on the spot if he had just set the seal. Even if he didn't want to use it, it's an extra card. Why would not want an extra card?
>Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous >want to do a Lich playthrough because frick yeah, no game lets you play Liches ever >want to play a necromancer with noble intentions who says "frick Pharasma, each corpse I raise is one less mendevian who has to face the horrors of this war" >game forces you to slaughter an entire city in a cutscene and then throws at your face how evil you are for choosing to do it
>choose evil archetype >your character does evil thing >face consequences
what's the problem here?
Sounds to me like you don't understand how RPGs work.
LMAO this dude is crying that theyre choices matter devs really cant fricking win these days as an indie dev frick you sincerely..
Frick off Pharasmites, I'll buy your bullshit once I wake up one day and find out that Geb was never a country in the setting and the Dead Laws never a thing
I banged a girl on Halloween just because I recognized her Sims costume (it wasn't really a costume, she just had a headband with that green diamond on it) and she was hot, too
>NO! DON'T give me options for more complex characterization and player agency! >NO, I WANT LESS choice in how I play my character! I DON'T want the option to have to balance complex options where I alienate allies and partners because they think I am evil incarnate while I try to hold onto some semblance of humanity, having LESS branching in how the story can potentially go is going to make the game WORSE! >NO I -DON'T- want the option of playing a traditionally good archetype in potentially ruthless ways either!
Go play Fable 1 if you just want a binary good/evil switch, holy frick you weirdo.
>haven't thought about Yu-Gi-Oh in about 15 years >watch the fricking Tamers12345 Yu-Gi-Oh video a few days ago >flick through my old card binders later that evening >started playing Duel Masters two days ago >somehow have 13 hours in it already
he had the card put in his hand but wasn't forced, and he lost anyway
That star...
NieR.
And did a very lousy Job trying to make you feel bad because you are literally forced to commit said acts.
That wasn't the impression I walked away with. It was more along the lines of "you were killing actual people with their own emotions and motives all along". At the end of the day Shadows/Gestalts bear the lion's share of the guilt since they both created the situation and knew more about it than the Replicants did.
Spec ops: The line.
>Try to kill incoming enemies with my guns
>They just keep on respawning infinitely
>use white phosporus
>It spreads outside the main combat area and kills a whole lot of NPC's who I didn't know existed before I started blasting
>ermuhgerd player! You are the monster now!
If they didn't realize it was time to gtfo when there was an active war going on besides them then I won't be held responsible for any splash damage casualties.
Spec ops the line is so fricking overrated. Especially the "it was all in his head" twist at the end. The end should have just been Conrad berating you for making the situation worse, then give you the option to shoot him.
If he was forced to be evil why did it have to be through a childrens card game
>duel had 0 stakes because he was holding Seal
>still uses it because uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The season was shit
Yami hates losing. That's why he was considering killing Kaiba on the island just so he doesn't have to throw the game and Yugi had to stop him. The season is still shit and contrived but it wasn't ~that~ out of character for him, he was never a particularly nice person, especially in manga.
How is the manga for the 'original' arc? The first three or four arcs, with Yugi of course. I've had it in my backlog for ages.
nta, I recommend reading from the very beginning. It plays with other games like Tamagotchi, yo-yos, and theme parks before the author settled on Duel Monsters.
there's a huge disparity since the original manga was more of a horror-fantasy story about a boy being possessed by an amoral sociopath
when the manga got soft-rebooted to Duelist it pretty much ignores most of Yami's development since the big growth he goes through at the end of the original was to spare/save Mokuba after he loses
he's way nicer in Duelist and his "evil" deeds get erased
I thought Yami did it because he vowed to save Yugi's grandpa at any cost?
>character does something questionable because of a personal character flaw
>people cannot grasp this and think every action a character takes must be extrinsically motivated
It's honestly scary how dumb people are
>stop caring about Yu-Gi-Oh before I even hit 10 years old
>was never that big into it anyway
>find out a few days ago that Pharaoh legitimately lost to some literal who
>throw an autistic mental shit fit
I don't know where the frick that came from.
>You can summon and activate yugioh cards irl
>The cards cannot disobey your orders and you're immune to their effects and attacks
>Most monster cards are intelligent and have memories
>They can be your friends
I'll let your perverted mind fill in the rest
Sex?
the joke is sex hahaha wow sex loooooool
NTR the previous card owner?
Mentally abusing Tearlaments!
They're very pent up.
anyone else remember the episode of GX where DMG's spirit just hang out for the school festival and duels Jaden?
Gvdd
>Character in work of fiction does something bad
>Other characters in work of fiction react accordingly
>"AHHHHHHH WHY DOES THIS GAME HATE ME!!!"
you people are genuinely moronic
You can't make me care about murdering thousands of Baterians after you spend two games setting them up as terrible murder torture slavers.
>reapers?
>terrible murder torture slavers
Worse than that, they literally invaded remote human colonies, killed everyone except the women and children, and that was only because they took the women and children as sex slaves.
And then ME3 expects us to feel bad about killing Batarians? Frick that, killing Batarians is better than they deserve
Remember that one audio log from ME2 where the batarian diplomats were getting pissed at the council because the council didn't respect their cultural right to be slavemongers? Or in ME1 where the captured human slave girl was rigged up to wires that made her obedient through sending pain directly to her nerves?
13 billion Batarians was not enough
Undertale, except it's even worse. It presents you with a series of logical choices both in and out of universe, yet deems only one of said choices to be correct and shits on you for picking the others because you didn't use meta knowledge to choose. It also gatekeeps the only 2 worthwhile bossfights behind a route where everyone shits on you.
Frick Toby and frick that game.
>kill characters
>their friends hate you
>WOOOWWWW WTFFF WHY DO THEY HATE ME??
>get attacked
>defend yourself
NOOOO THEY WERE JUST PROTESTING PEACEFULLY BY SHOOTING LASERS AT YOUR SOUL!!!
Do you also get butthurt whenever a villain says "actually YOU'RE the bad guy, I'm fighting for justice!"?
>a character in-universe playing his part is the same as the meta-narrative of the game itself shitting on you for not following a specific set of actions despite being given no incentive to, all as a moral bait and switch to show you how "awful" you are
Eat shit and go suck Toby's wiener some more to see if he finally gets off his ass and finishes Deltarune
>the meta-narrative of the game itself shitting on you for not following a specific set of actions
sounds like schizo talk
schizos are the only sane people in this insane world
>deliberaly cause the extinction of the entire populace of the place you're visiting
>I DINDU NUFFIN!!!
lol ok buddy.
>if you're not doing perfect pacifist then you're doing genocide
Go play the game then come back.
Next time I'll use more buzzwords and stale memes to make it more digestible for you.
>not even b***hing about genocide
What's the problem again, remind me? Sans doesn't even explicitly harass you unless you kill his brother, the ONE THING IN THE ENTIRE GAME THAT IS INCAPABLE OF KILLING YOU AND LITERALLY SPARES YOU NO MATTER WHAT.
You’re supposed to dodge the attacks, scrub
Papyrus literally can't kill you. Toriel can't kill you unless you intentionally ram yourself into her attacks.
That's not to mention that you can kill as much as you want and still get the Neutral ending.
The game explicitly tells you how you should play. Its up to the player to actually fight enemies and toriel tells you that violence is wrong.
Spider-Man in the symbiote suit
season 4 is underrated
Dragon quest builders 2. A moronic king arrests your best friend and you can't stop him. You can't even destroy the jail to help your friend evade (in a minecraft-like game where almost everything can be destroyed). When the morons finally release your friend he is legitimately pissed and refuses to talk with you.
>game forces you to do evil act
>tries to make you feel bad afterwards
>you actually feel great
I LOVE BEING EVIL
these people really have trouble not thinking that they are LITERALLY the character they're playing
it's a symptom of low IQ, the lack of empathy, the inability to see the world through another person's eyes
The blood mage plotline in 2 is so dumb
>blood mages cry templars are buttholes and doing horrible things to them
>At every turn blood mages are fricking everything up
>every time they cast it once they get addicted and end up summoning abominations
>even killed your mom
>game expects you to feel bad for them and side against the templars
dumb fricking game dude
shame it was that dumb, in 1 it was fun to go EXTRA HERETICAL with blood magic and the major problem with it was inept or greedy less than skilled mages using it, whenever someone competent used it, it worked out fine
It's not so much that the game expects you to side with blood mages, but rather that the game tries to go "the actions of some lunatics hungry for power should not reflect on all mages" but then even their leader ends up resorting to it when pressed and you just feel like a moron for helping them.
Maybe they were trying to go for a "both sides have their faults" thing but they did it terribly.
In 1 at least it makes sense for you to go blood mage since Grey Wardens are all about using any means and any people they can get if it means preventing or stopping a blight, which is exactly what you do.
yeh but after hours of watching blood mages self destruct i was basically mentally a templar myself at the end
don't forget that the joining ritual IS blood magic, ancient and sort of primitive blood magic, but blood magic none the less
the entire existence of the Grey Wardens is due to blood magic, and the Templars sort of put a blind eye towards it because they don't want the shitstorm of outing them as heretics
Even if it wasn't blood magic the templars still wouldn't want to start shit with wardens. Not unless they forgot they'd likely be next on the list to go into the darkspawn trenches if the wardens were gone.
Don’t care what anyone says. I loved this arc
It was a fully wasted potential of a arc by having garbage duel gameplay.
The virtual world arc of Yu-Gi-Oh are the peak of filler, good animation, engaging duels throwing twists like triple duels, ban lists, and deck masters, and it actually ties with previous filler.
I like it a lot as well but it suffers from both pacing (after how "action" packed it starts with Yugi losing the god cards and Dartz summoning big monsters they slow down a lot for a while and the story only picks up until the Raphael duel, then it slows down until the last Joey duel and then the last duel is way to complicated for its own good, even if it is way shorter than the final Noah duel) and not using the whole monster spirits all that much, I feel it would've worked better if it had both worlds fusing and real monsters attacking was a constant threat
>put frog in the porthole?
No.
Also, The first Witcher (coincidence?). No, I will not keep on murdering everyone for progress' sake.
Dropped both games due to this shit.
While this is the poster child for the concept, I guess it's low hanging fruit, huh?
The duel had no stakes. He could have lost and won the moral battle.
Didn't Raphael cut off the bridge and they were in the middle of the desert? Honestly if it wasn't for Yugis friends he probably would have died out there.
They'd have just sat around until their friends came and picked them up. The smart thing to do would have been rip the seal up and explain to Raphael why his philosophy on life is moronic
It never dawned on me at the time but I recenlty watched an analysis of this duel and
not only it was pretty dumb that Raphael's strategies worked at all but Atem had literally no reason to play the Seal, there was nothing to be gained or lost from the duel itself other than his pride about losing and while Raphael starts talking mad shit about Atem he hand no reason to believe a single word of it
would have been more interesting if Raphael had played a proper strategy deck that was beyond infuriating to play against
jar-based stall, lockdown with final countdown or something equally degenerate (for that era)
In Bioshock 2 killing Alexander the Great is considered the "evil" choice despite the fact that is obviously a mercy kill
Literally, if he had just set the Seal before he played Card of Sanctity, he would have won. He'd have drawn into catapult turtle sooner and won before Raf could do anything.
A lot of Yugioh duels are won because someone made a stupid misplay. For example Mai lost against Marik for summoning Ra instead of just attacking with her 3 harpies. Or she lost against Yami for falling for his face down normal spell bluff. She got fricked by the writers so hard.
the bluff is a reasonable course of action for a character to take in that situation but not attacking with the Harpies is a genuine pants on head moron moment, like there's literally no reason to try to summon Ra in that scenario when they could have contrived one like "oh he has a trap that destroys monsters when attacking but Ra is immune to traps"
I think the running theme of that series of duels was Marik's opponents being tempted to use Ra against him. Kind of like in LOTR people were tempted to use the Ring against Sauron.
In the case of Mai, needing a degree in Egyptian literature is just plot fricking her over. Atem would have won on the spot if he had just set the seal. Even if he didn't want to use it, it's an extra card. Why would not want an extra card?
Was using the seal of oricalcus actually evil or just suicidal?
Both
>Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
>want to do a Lich playthrough because frick yeah, no game lets you play Liches ever
>want to play a necromancer with noble intentions who says "frick Pharasma, each corpse I raise is one less mendevian who has to face the horrors of this war"
>game forces you to slaughter an entire city in a cutscene and then throws at your face how evil you are for choosing to do it
>what to be a lich
>what none of the drawbacks of being a lich
Ok buddy.
Frick off Pharasmites, I'll buy your bullshit once I wake up one day and find out that Geb was never a country in the setting and the Dead Laws never a thing
Take your meds, and maybe play a game like the Sims or COD. Sounds like role-playing games aren't for you.
I banged a girl on Halloween just because I recognized her Sims costume (it wasn't really a costume, she just had a headband with that green diamond on it) and she was hot, too
>NO! DON'T give me options for more complex characterization and player agency!
>NO, I WANT LESS choice in how I play my character! I DON'T want the option to have to balance complex options where I alienate allies and partners because they think I am evil incarnate while I try to hold onto some semblance of humanity, having LESS branching in how the story can potentially go is going to make the game WORSE!
>NO I -DON'T- want the option of playing a traditionally good archetype in potentially ruthless ways either!
Go play Fable 1 if you just want a binary good/evil switch, holy frick you weirdo.
>choose evil archetype
>your character does evil thing
>face consequences
what's the problem here?
Sounds to me like you don't understand how RPGs work.
LMAO this dude is crying that theyre choices matter devs really cant fricking win these days as an indie dev frick you sincerely..
>Game makes you choose between good and evil
>Frick both sides because nobody tells you what to do
>haven't thought about Yu-Gi-Oh in about 15 years
>watch the fricking Tamers12345 Yu-Gi-Oh video a few days ago
>flick through my old card binders later that evening
>started playing Duel Masters two days ago
>somehow have 13 hours in it already
pronant symphony